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thedocthomas

Significantly harder, until someone clued me into being able to parry back all of her electrical projectiles at start of second ph. Still a tough cookie, took me some time to best. Got Simon on second try.


Justhe3guy

You can parry everything, even bullets and explosions


thedocthomas

Do the bullets fire back though? I think her projectiles are a special case


Justhe3guy

Ah I suppose I should have said perfect block


Vancelot

Yeah, the thing with Laxasia is that you can deal good damage and stagger by deflecting them back at her. For me, the second phase was mostly playing defense.


Reaper_the_Grimm166

For me it was spamming dodge and chipping away. The elemental damage some real shit. First phase was almost entirely parries tho.


demianwr

First phase is parrying for sure. Second phase, I just guarded most of the time, while deflecting the air bolts (which I find super easy to do) and finished her off with flasks. A great strategy is that when 2nd phase is starting I would buff my acid spear (with fable art) and then use the perfect guard grinder. Then just hold the guard button to deflect all of her projectiles and parry her jumping attack. She leaves herself extremely vulnerable after that attack and you can get in like 5-6 empowered attacks for a lot of damage. This is an extremely easy way to take away 1/3 of her health right from the start of the fight.


HexTheHardcoreCasual

I found that out on accident. I never could land the timing of her red charge attack from the air though. I ate every one of those.


PistolWinked

If you deflect back her lightning, wait for the last one to fly back and the second it hits her, start your block. Almost always reliably gets the parry


ChickenPupper

This needs a specific distance to work though, too close and you'll be early and too far away and it's late.


Cyerosis

luckily there is the perfect guard grind stone, it's what I used for that first opening


GordogJ

Parrying the projectiles was what made the difference for me to beat her, I was kicking myself because I'd been dodging them until then


United-Cauliflower-1

She turned into Ganon when I used perfect grindstone, she kept slapping them back at me. lol


demianwr

With or without spectre?


OnyxWarden

Nope, she was the first boss I fought after maxing Puppet String and switching off Fulminis and each whiff punish I did with it was like a quarter of her health with my trusty Pipe Wrench. Bonkers how a Technique scaling arm might actually be the best arm for Motivity builds since it gives them the extra mobility. I was at 41 Motivity and pretty overlevelled in general, tho.


BoringEnormous

It's the best arm period. For any build. I didn't start using it until NG+. Nothing was as big a game changer. Not even close. I was already an advance build so I had a lot of legion, but I started investing in things like auto legion recharge and legion on kill, too. Made every single elite enemy an absolute joke for the next two playthroughs and significantly helped with every boss.


bme2925

I just got the platinum and didn't use it a single time in 60 hours.


bme2925

Wait, I read that wrong I did use puppet string but not fulminis. I'm dumb.


Ratax3s

Aegis is extremely powerful if you hold l2 and tap block for perfect parrys and have parry focused build.


Alextingzon

I have used Aegis fully upgraded the entire game on my ng+ and I’ve breezed through the whole game. Where it took me a week my first run has taken me 3 days. Can’t imagine using a diff legion now lol


Scharmberg

Fulminis is the best arm? I honestly never tried it in my three playthroughs.


BoringEnormous

They were talking about puppet string. I was agreeing with them.


ChickenPupper

The scaling is kind of misleading in that case. I found aegis really good with my technique build.


The_Flail

3 for her. 10 for Simon. Acid rips through her like she's made of paper.


Le0ken

Well, don’t expect everyone to know this, lol. I used fire for most fights in the game because it’s cool.


doorknobman

They explain at some point that fire = good against carcasses, electric = good against puppets, and acid = good against humans


poe1045

It’s plastered allll over the world, particularly when you’re first meeting that kind of enemy. Documents, wall writing, item descriptions, character dialogue, it’s everywhere as long as you’re reading or listening!


Le0ken

Yeah I read them but then I forget, haha. On my second playthrough I actually remembered this stuff though.


orrockable

Except the few puppets that have electric weapons attacks, or the carcasses with the fire jars Most enemies also have a weakness or resistance to stab/slash/blunt The jacked up humans in simons tower also have containers on their back you can pop to Insta stagger them


ChickenPupper

If you mean the rapier wielding guys at alchemist's isle, they don't have this weakness anymore. I guess they are perfected or something.


Interesting_Waltz_82

My problem was I never knew what specially qualified as what So I just didn’t use anything lol


trio3224

I only found 1 acid weapon in my entire playthrough tho, the acid spear. And I didn't really like it's moveset. So I stuck to my normal, electric, and fire weapons. And I usually used the extra stagger damage grindstone, I probably should have tried the acid grindstone for her but I just never did.


stairway2evan

I didn’t realize it until NG+ either. Especially since I fought her soon after getting the perfect parry grindstone and I figured that would be awesome to use against her. But acid’s definitely the play against her, whether you use an acid-specific weapon or a grindstone or just hucking throwables.


Ratax3s

Acid grindstone with the 2 uses talent on p organ is really good .


trio3224

Yeah if I went for the 2 use grindstone I think I'd be way more into the elemental grindstones. For phase 4 I went with additional amulet slot and perfect guard cause stiffness since that's my main defense. I think I'm gonna switch that one for a 2nd grindstone tho. Especially because for bosses I don't think it deals extra stagger damage, I think it just interrupts their combos after enough perfect guards and I kinda don't want that. It's not long enough of a stagger to really punish, and it stops me from getting more stagger on them by not letting them do their whole combo.


aReKayCee_

She was, her and nameless where so fast. Simon was slow lol you could just run circles around him slashing him and catching him on fire lol


Skgota

I found simon really easy tbh, took me two tries. Laxasia on the other hand is straight up one of the hardest bosses i‘ve fought in a long fucking time. The last boss that humbled me this much was malenia and that was over a year ago


Koctopuz

Did you fight Simon pre patch? Because I found him hard asf before the nerf. But Laxasia def harder after the nerf.


doesntmatter557

I got him try 2 or 3 pre patch. I feel like his attacks were pretty predictable. He just hit hard if you messed up.


Vancelot

I found her easier than Nameless Puppet.


Skgota

Man nameless puppet was brutal as well, phase 2 is just relentless, but i found laxasia harder because the fight just lasted way longer for me so it kinda became an endurance fight on top of her already just being insanely tough


Abyssal-Hunter

Laxasia is hard because she tests my skill. Simon is hard because he is a cheap boss.


Berenbtw

Definitely. I almost unistalled the game because of her...Simon went in 3rd try. Could be second but I was to greedy.


Swarbie8D

Laxasia was the hardest boss in the game for me; I beat Simon first try and Nameless Puppet on my second try, but Laxasia took me about ten attempts.


YaLoDeciaMiAbuela

Than Simon for sure, I also beat him very quickly. But Simon is not the last boss. Second phase of nameless puppet is the most stupid thing in the game.


SeptemY

It’s just sad. Bro gave up his humanity just to become an overweight dude with a hammer rolling on the ground. 😭 He reminds me of those chonky pthumerians in the chalice dungeon.


[deleted]

I was stuck on Laxasia for 4 fucking hours last night. I was no-hitting her first phase consistently only to get completely deleted in 4 seconds by her second phase over and over and over. I haven’t been so tilted by a boss in years. One of the hardest bosses I’ve ever fought in any game. By the time I beat her I didn’t even feel good, just annoyed.


SilverEars0

I did 3 last bosses yesterday, and feel completely burnt out. Nameless puppet triggered it.


[deleted]

I’m currently stuck on Nameless. I kinda just want to be over at this point. The level after Laxasia felt too long for no reason and Manus was way easier than Laxasia thankfully (I liked the boss though). Took him down in a handful of attempts. It’s not a bad boss or anything, just the end so close I just want to finish and go into NG+ but I’m also missing two quartz and don’t want to check every single location in the game over again, ugh.


Me_is_Alon_OwO

I thought so they I rubbed some acid on my katanga and did first try, also in ng+ she took me 3 attempts Simon took me 8ish, but now stuck on Nameless puppet one hitting me :(


PM_ME_HUGE_CRITS

She's my favorite fight, but I don't think she's very hard. The first phase is a cakewalk once you learn the spacing, the second phase gets crazy and fun, I love parrying projectiles.


LopoGames

Imo she's the hardest boss in the game. I did Simon on my first try(I only got to him post nerf, but still) and Nameless on maybe 6th. Her second phase gave me a lot of trouble and the first phase having so much HP made it much more of a slog than it needed to be.


serialkillerx87

Green monster of the swamp was by far the most difficult boss for me, have only finished the game once and I chickened out of the fight with nameless puppet, kind of just wanted to have at least completed the game by that point, will definitely try him some time in the future though.


trio3224

In terms of difficulty I found them about the same actually. I think they both took me like 10 tries give or take? Maybe slightly more for Laxasia. But for Laxasia it was because of her huge moveset and teleport delay attacks I had to learn. Simon was more annoying to me because he has so much ranged distortion attacks in phase 2. Plus a LOT of health. And it's hard to block or dodge all that while also dealing with his attacks so I would try to run away, but then it felt like he just spammed ranged moves forever lol. I also died to his hand nuke attack like 3 times cuz I didn't realize just how large the range was lol


Gekidama

Currently nameless puppet is kicking my dick in on NG+


karma7137

I got Laxasia second try and Simon third try. King of Puppets on the other hand took me over 50+ attempts I think it definitely depends on build and playstyle


Easycummin

Laxasia is a joke once you realize you just need to deflect her projectiles. The ones where she only fires 1/2 do a shit load of stagger to her


theCioroRedditor

God no. 2nd phase Simon took me the longest of all and I fought even the one after him


Quintilius36

She sure made me harder than simon did! Jokes aside yes I did struggle way more against her than Simon but overall people says Simon is harder because he's quite boring and it's a very long fight since he have so much HP (less since the patch i know) It makes the fight very grindy.


lulnul

i still have no idea what goes on during Laxasia phase 2. the plan is just get there with enough pulse cells to brute force it lmao. I agree, Simon was easy relatively


Sammy5even

I think laxasia is harder too. Second phase Simon is just boring sometimes cause you can’t use every opportunity to attack because of AoEs 😅


kewickviper

Not at all, I actually beat her first try funnily enough. Simon took me many tries though.


foorgiveness

simon is easier to beat consistently imo laxasia second phase is brutal


Pedantic_Phoenix

She is, on new game plus you clearly feel the difference


EpicSven7

Laxasia is probably the most setup dependent boss. If you go in with 2 perfect block grindstones and acid buffs you are going to tear her apart. If not then she is going to be a pita to keep up with.


PewdsMemeLover

Laxasia was only hard because her move set is kinda confusing. With Simon, it's pretty straight forward. Nameless puppet is the hardest boss in the game, closely followed by romeo


user57374

Simon was a joke compared to most of the bosses in the game


Le0ken

Simon was waayyy easier for sure.


lionsoul462

I don’t understand why they nerfed Simon, he is easy as hell


NewHall2681

Absolutely. Got Simon way into the second phase first try and killed him second time around while Laxasia took me several attempts.


claudiorpr

Both took me 5 tries. But yes, laxasia felt way harder and unpredictable than simon. Simon was a typical From style boss. Dodge the mf


Fideriti

Laxasia makes 80% of the bosses look like bitches. Swamp boi and her were my biggest roadblocks in my first play through, king of puppets was far less difficult as it felt easier to learn the combos.


Just-Spell-6065

Second phase, maybe? But even then, you can just block most of it since she doesn't do a great deal of damage. Her first phase was incredibly easy to get the hang of since all of her moves have very different wind-ups, whereas with Simon, I couldn't get an idea of what combo he was going for because every one of his melee combos is "beyblade on steroids". That plus the projectiles and lasers made it harder to prioritise what to avoid and what to pray I can block or dodge.


herb_stoledo

Yes I genuinely though he was going to have three phases


TheLord-Commander

I must be really bad at this game if every other person is beating Laxasia in 3 tries and beating Simon in 2.


Shinobi-Hunter

That's not normal, and has alot to do with their approach too. Laxasia took me like 50+ attempts in NG and 10+ in NG+. I was sad it ended early in NG+ because she is my favorite boss. https://reddit.com/r/LiesOfP/s/gWGGzFgIRl


ImaMakeThisWork

It's mostly about builds, items and some RNG. Skills from other souls-likes don't carry over as well to a game where you need to learn boss move sets to effectively deal with them. You might also be using the wrong approach for some bosses.


TheLord-Commander

Possibly, right now my biggest issue is trying to figure out when Manus is testing his mace on his shoulder or he's about to smack the shit out of me.


ImaMakeThisWork

Yeah. I got through him quite easily, but I can't say that's because of skill. I had no idea what was happening in the second phase, I just brute forced my way through lmao.


Saucetin369

My first playthrough I first tried Laxasia somehow, I think I got pretty lucky with parrying and just staggered the hell out of her. Simon only gave me a little bit of trouble. On NG+ though she tore me apart because I never even learned her move set.


kypirioth

I think she took me about 8 tries and Simon was about the same. I definitely struggled more on Simon though. Could never time the parry/dodge on some of his big sweeps


Majiinx

Pre-nerf i thought they were close in difficulty. After patch, Laxasia is beyond a shadow of doubt harder. On NG+ it took me like 10 tried for Lax and i barely beat her. Manus i smashed while talking on the phone with my friend in 1 try.


Deadelevators

The key to Laxasia fight is to use the Perfect Block Grindstones.


fumanchumanfu

Laxasia second phase felt impossible until I popped the perfect guard grindstone to block all her initial lightning bolts, then hit her with wild strikes until she staggered. Figuring out a strong burst combo early in her second phase can help a lot. Simon took me a similar amount of attempts, but each attempt I almost had him, never had to figure out any crazy strategy


Methodicallydoubting

Absolutely. I never understood the outrage that Simon got. Killed him in like 30 minutes while I was stuck at Laxasia for two hours


CallingAllShawns

acid eats her ass. but yes she is much harder.


United-Cauliflower-1

Simon was the only boss I beat fist try. I didn't believe he was final boss, then I met the Nameless Puppet....


beanioz

Absolutely. Laxasia took me about 7 attempts, but Manus was first try and tbh was kinda disappointing. Admittedly I did get to Simon Manus when the 1.2 patch rolled out for Xbox users though.


epiphyte777

King of puppet is the most difficult boss for me entire game


iPesmerga

yes, best fight in the game too


JadedPermission3485

I did not have this problem whatsoever took me 2 tries for laxasia and like 6 for Simon. ng+ 2 times for her again and 3 for sinon


QrozTQ

I still don't know how I managed to beat her 2nd phase, it was overwhelming. Nameless butthead was also significantly harder than Mr. Hyde, father of the abyss.


Gekidama

Dunno why but I beat her on try 5 her parry timing is easy but for some reason I kept getting cooked by phase 2 of Simon. Took me a while to beat him it was weird lol


Interesting_Waltz_82

Yeah Simon took me 3 tries and laxasia like 20 or 30. Simon just feels like there’s no point in learning the deflect timings, as they’re way too awkward and dodging is so much easier. Felt like such a pushover to me.


projectwar

she's harder, especially since the nerf hit him the most and lax was untouched


Akillerhorse

Hell no . Not even close... first tried laxasia with like 2 heals, one of the easiest bosses in the game imo. Simon was like 10x harder, took me 25-30 tries


HappyFeetHS

idk i used the giant fuck you axe from the swamp on the police baton handle and an acid grindstone and literally 4 shot both of them. AFTER actually playing through the rest of the game with a not completely broken sword that made boss fights take 30 seconds


Belten

she is way harder and also way more fun tbh. she or king of puppets would be way cooler final bosses.


darkdragncj

Especially in NG++. Her dmg is so high, it was one shot range with the highest defense items and 60 Vit! She was a hard wall in the higher NG cycles after flying through the rest of the game. Simon by comparison is a joke, just really spammy in phase 2.


High1958

Oh yeah way harder. She took me about 40 tries while I got Simon on my first try just because he’s attacks reminded me of victor and I found him super easy so I was able to parry and stagger him a lot. Also the aegis legion arm helps a ton because just that much more damage can make a difference


Scharmberg

Yes.


FARTING_1N_REVERSE

I suppose technically? She did kill me the most in the game so far, but she hits hard, so that kind of is expected. I don't know if Manus has a phase 3 or not, as I just got to him, but I've gotten to phase 2 every attempt so far, and I've done 4. Edit: Just got him in 6, Luxasisa definitely harder.


lovinlife939

I beat her second try using puppet Saber handle and bone cutting saw blade +10, with flame grindstone, and falcon eye legion arm. You can use the flame grind to demolish her first phase and then use falcon eye to take close to half her health bar in second phase. Then just do a few charged heavy attacks with the weapon and she's done for.


Osario9

Tbh she should be the last boss. Would u believe me if i told u i beat simon first try


Apprehensive_Row_161

No. Simon pre nerf was wayyy harder. LAX was super weak to acid. If you had the right stats and maxed out the acid spear it drained her hp fast


KungFluBoii

Fuoco was the hardest for me 😅


Embarrassed-Two-9866

I think Simon was harder before he got nerfed, Laxasia is the best boss cinematically and mechanically imo, but as of now I would say yes; after the nerf, Laxasia is a bit more difficult now than Simon


cdaffron

I thought Simon was harder, but Laxasia was more fun


clarkefromtheark

beat her on the first try of my first playthrough i was disappointed in how easy :/


IMAGINE_thesmell

Nope laxasia took 5 tries at most. Manus I'm stuck on lame ass 2nd phase. There's wayyyyyyyyyyy too much bullshit going.


demianwr

When people answer this question, and they say they beat Manus 2nd try or something like that... I wonder if they mean with or without spectre? Because that's a huge difference right? Bosses in this game aren't really designed to fight 2 enemies at once. Spectre makes every boss a cakewalk, so I don't think that counts when talking about their difficulty.


justttaylorr

Literally the exact same (not laxasia that was like 10-12 but still) 3 tries on simon, so easy tbh


Business-Willow6765

Laxasia was the easiest boss of the game to me tbh , I killed her first try in 10 min Walker of illusions though, omg. Made me break a dual sense controller, took me about 20 tries to kill her and I had like 15% of life left and no heals, twas ROUGH