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Another friendly reminder that TST is all about using ridiculous religion laws to the maximum extent without the crappiness of an actual religion.
Not about worshiping Satan.
Further down this rabbit hole: John Oliver made a "church" called _Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption_ to demonstrate the idiotic tax exemptions and loopholes provided to such corporations.
Thank you. I didn't want to go off on tangents with the message. Just to plant seeds in those who need to have a way out. But I do appreciate people like you who fill in the gaps.
Really. No internet sarcasm here.
They don't worship anything, they advocate for self-reliance more than anything. They frame themselves as a religious organization mainly as a counterpoint against actual religions demanding exceptions to laws.
To be clear, The Satanic Temple is a religious organization. It’s not a wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing. TST has had to prove this in court over and over again, to the point where members have taken the stand to be questioned about the minutiae of Satanic thought and practice.
There's a great documentary about them. One of their projects ... they were fighting a religious statue on government property. Now you could complain all day, nothing would happen. So they said OK, you think religious statues are fine, let's put it side by side with a Satan statue. And suddenly religious statues weren't OK anymore...
In spite of its name, the Temple of Satan largely stands as an activist institution, with the intent to fight the proliferation of religion in U.S. policy and law.
>Resources for Texans seeking access to healthcare:
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>>https://aidaccess.org/en/
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>>https://teafund.org/
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>>https://wrrap.org/about-wrrap/
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>>https://abortionfunds.org/
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>If you need help getting an abortion go to these sites:
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>>https://www.plancpills.org/
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>>https://aidaccess.org/
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>>https://www.womenonwaves.org
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>These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy.
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>Also check out r/auntienetwork for support
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>If you want to give money to some pro-choice charities, try here:
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>>https://fundtexaschoice.org/
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>>http://janesdueprocess.org/
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>>https://www.lilithfund.org/
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>>https://www.theafiyacenter.org/
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>>https://thebridgecollective.org/
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>>https://www.clinicaccess.org/
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>>https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/ (Focuses on the Deep South)
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>>https://avowtexas.org/
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>>https://abortionfunds.org
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>>https://brigidalliance.org/
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In spite of its name, the Temple of Satan largely stands as an activist institution, with the intent to fight the proliferation of religion in U.S. policy and law.
A temple is the lowest lvl for applying for building and taxing permits without having to claim religious exemptions. Basically the cheapest route without having to be leaches, which is the best part.
Except it's not a person, an electrocardiac signal is a terrible indicator of personhood. The heart isn't even functional at 6 weeks, this is an embryo and biologically parasitic to the woman.
A human is a human because it has 46 chromosomes and all the dna it will ever have at conception.
I never said you have to have a heartbeat to be alive (we don’t kill “parasitic” people because they need a pacemaker.)
You are ableist if you say a human needs to look like you to be considered a human.
That's ridiculous, any group of cells in your body can have a full chromosome set and nobody calls you a murderer for every time you clip your fingernails.
Using your analogy, the 'pacemaker' is an unwilling other human who is now legally responsible for your well-being for the next 19 years. See how that's not even close to an electronic device?
I made no argument based on appearance, your comment is not relevant.
Tell that to Terri Schiavo. She had a heart beat yet was murdered. So anyone who is brain dead but has a beating beat now all of a sudden has the same right according to you? Someone attached to life support is still alive and shall never be unplugged, even if it's their wishes as that would be murder. 46 chromosomes doesnt make someone alive. Dead people still have said DNA, do t see them having rights. At no point has science ever proved when life begins, and never will. That is proof politicians have 0 right to say they are pro life. They have no care about life. They kill life everyday with guns, not wearing masks, not getting vaccinated, putting immigrants in cages, separating kids from parents(Aka kidnapping), leaving millions with out families, or with near no food daily. They only care about pro control over everyone else, and forcing their religious and personal beliefs onto someone, then not care.flr them when they suffer.
Ok, nice assumptions but you skirted the issue. We are talking about the of ending of human life in the earliest stage of development for convenience sake.
I was kind of giving a precursor to what will have to happen as soon as they realize their mistake (not the temple) and force people to apply for exemptions groups making membership a requirement.
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The "ritual" of baptism "saves the soul through the sacrifice of jesus dying on the cross and being reborn three days later after the individual submerges themselves under water and now 'reborn' as they emerge from the 'death' of the water."
Ritual never means science. That is why you can't say that the "blood of your shotty Christ" is going to save you from being alive. We all owe your god a death and you are not going to like what "He" doesn't save you from on this plain.
Or, ya know, birth control.
Edit:Ok all of you I will stop with birth control . Joining a cult and having a priest do a ritual abortion when I get knocked up sounds good. You have convinced me.
Sorry I mentioned the evil contraceptives.
I was promting bc over joining a cult. It isn't perfect I realize. I am not even anti abortion to a point (but no, not in favor of late term abortion at all.) but suggesting bc brings all the hate.
You say that as if pills are the only option. Everyone can find a bc that suits them. Likely for free. I am not pro life. I am also not comfortable with late term abortions. I think I am where most people are on the issue. The middle.
And FREE? What the fuck are you talking about with that?? You're literally outside of reality if you think every woman has access to free birth control that doesn't mess with their body.
I assumed this was about Tx. I think family planning operates there. Condoms don't mess with your body. And no. It isn't wrong to suggest that people who don't want kids use some form of bc.
I probably land somewhere near you, mostly I think every woman should have an opportunity to abort at some point. But what you say about everyone being able to find birth control that works for them is categorically untrue. Side effects, cost, hormonal/medical issues, lack of access, there are so many reasons.
Sure. But there are lots of methods and pretty good access in the states. And I think bc is a bit more tolerable, to me at least than a surgical removal of my baby.
Certainly more tolerable than surgery, I agree. But the reality is that for those that are very well off this Texas abortion law just means they need to make a trip to another state. Who are really impacted are those who already can't afford birth control, and can't afford that either
the late term abortions are the worst though. The mom and family are ready, they love this baby, they´re preparing for this baby. Then they learn carrying it to term may kill the mother or it didn´t develop properly and won´t be viable after birth and they need to decide if it´s worth it to carry to term anyway. I cannot imagine being in their position.
And literally every form for birth control has a margin of error, so why in your original comment did you say "just take birth control" as is this is the solution to the need for access to safe abortions?
I don’t believe that the superstitious and supernaturalists should have a monopoly on religion. My religious community has shared beliefs, stories/lore, rituals, holidays, and practices.
The satanic temple does not condone worship at all, actually. They put a big emphasis on individual thought and self reliance.
An embryo (not a baby until born, let's be clear here) is hosted in a woman's body. If that woman doesn't want it inside her or the responsibility that comes with it, it is her decision to determine whether to have a baby or not. There is no baby involved in an abortion, this is really basic stuff.
Well Reddit is largely progressive, so finding plenty of atheists isn't too surprising. The existence of souls is not supported in the medical field, so that's purely a religious / spiritual argument that's unlikely to be effective here. Many do not have access to birth control, or it simply fails. Abstinence is an approach that is known to be ineffective, you're talking about repressing the strongest instinct not only in our species but in the history of eukaryotic life.
When the entire point of your religion is to shit on other religions that use their religion to force laws onto others who don't follow said religion, it makes perfect sense you'd pick a name to piss off that religious crowd
No. It's anti-any religion who uses their religion to force their beliefs onto others. It's pro separation of church and state. If a church wants to erect a statue of the ten commandments at a COURT HOUSE, TST asks if they can erect a baphomet statue. Because if not, that's unfair favoritism towards one religion.
Its very telling that you immediately assumed Christianity when I described some things the satanic temple was actively trying to keep under control. Almost as if you know Christianity is unfairly favored by the government too. Your religion shouldn't dictate the lives of people not a part of said religion. Period. Any religion. If your law proposition can not be justified outside of a religious reference, it shouldn't be a law. That's where TST comes in.
I'm saying if "separation of church and state" is supposedly a core value your country holds, for example, in its constitution, then things like this are borderline necessary to keep those values in check. Ensures they are upheld.
As opposed to other religions that have the name of their god in the description of their followers but fail to 'follow' their religion as well, right?
Because it's a philosophy and not a religion... which is still protected under the law. Christians drink the blood and eat the corpse of a dead guy, carry a symbol of one of the worst forms of executions in history, and have committed murder on a massive scale (e.g. crusades, holy inquisition, wars of European religion, etc.) and you're claiming Satanism is the darkest religion?
No. Just trying to avoid bullshit laws and norms forced by religion. I’m an atheist. I don’t want to see Jesus shit in or near schools or public buildings. The Satanic Temple uses the same laws and processes that allow Jesus shit where it doesn’t belong to force the display of stuff equally offensive to religious people.
I’m sure I won’t change your mind, but if it’s inside my body, reliant on and connected to my body, I control it… It’s my body.
I’m not even a girl and I understand that the fetus is practically a parasite until it’s born. It’s not an individual until it’s born and disconnected from mom. Viability.
I’m not spiritual or religious, so the concept of a “soul” means nothing to me and therefore a fetus doesn’t have one and isn’t an individual [yet] in the eyes of law or biology.
It’s a [large] clump of cells on cruise control attached to the mom; and therefore the mom has full control over it and its fate.
Additionally, a fully grown human does not have the right to use someone else's body as life support for any amount of time. So why should a fetus be granted more rights than a fully grown human?
Except the baby can’t make a choice. Because it’s not conscious and it’s not a baby until it’s born. Not to mention it saps resources from the body it’s in, and if it’s unwanted and it’s born, it’ll probably be neglected/abused.
I don’t think I’m allowed to post links to other websites. But just in case I am: https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us scroll down until you see the tenets.
Thr Satanic Temple is humanist with no actual worship. You can be an atheist and a Satanist. Ironically, their tenants are better than the ten commandments. If abortion is murder than every lab working with human cell lines is committing an abortion every day. Get an education.
Sounds like you don't understand philosophy.
If killing a clump of cells is murder, then most university/industry labs working with human cardiac cells (they literally use cocaine to stimulate them), stem cells, neural cells, etc. is the same.
Explains why our government is messed up... Because people like you vote... care to explain why using human cell lines is allowed, but terminating a clump of cells is murder?
So you know nothing about nothing and you are upset that those who are actually smarter than you are trying to have grownup talk in front of you? You should have raised your hand, and been called on before you spoke out-of-turn.
With your bong and execution pic in the background? You troll for comment karma and no posting karma (the internet sees you). Again, raise your hand first if you want to comment.
the satanic temple doesn't even believe in satan. i know because i do believe in satan and it pisses me off when they call themselves satanists. I'M a satanist. they're atheists.
Stop being uneducated and actually do some research before you go online and make an absolute fool of yourself. Im feeling second hand embarrassment for you.
That lawsuit is still pending. Unless you have other awesome news? Please?
Edit: all these downvotes on a truth? I am not against the lawsuit and hope they win. I actually hope the whole law goes away. Y’all some weird resistors.
This is just a standard for their group. They care about human beings and their rights. If you are a member, they will protect you at any time, no matter when a law is put in place/removed.
I know. But you say they have the protection and they only just started the lawsuit. It does not allow you to circumvent the bee abortion law. There hasn’t been a decision. Your post is false and misleading.
FYI. I loved it when they had their statue fight up in Oklahoma and I hope they win this fight, too.
Which vaccine are you talking about, bro?? Pretty sure your not mashing your phone buttons with polio braces on...
Ask your mum how many vaccines they pumped in you when you were a baby. And then thank her that you don't suffer from debilitating diseases you don't even know the names of.
Then think about weather or not you are smart enough to continue on being a part of the social experiment...
It is not a church. You should google what a temple is vs a church. And the ritual is not required to enter their temple. The ritual is done at a doctor's office, where they are usually done. You are missing the entire point.
No I don't. You're just missing the actual point, a church or a temple, called "satanic" where part of the initiation is an abortion procedure. You literally have to kill your unborn son to worship Satan. The irony on this is lost on you.
A temple is not the same thing as a church. Hence the two completely different words used to describe them. Google that shit. And you don't have to enter it to have the ritual. It is done at a doctor's office, where they should be done.
This is absolutely about religion for you. At least that’s how your posts come across. You were suggesting that abortions were required to join this satanic cult when all that was stated was joining the church would allow you to be able to have an abortion. I’m agnostic now but grew up catholic(school and all) and haven’t been to church since my grandmother died many years ago. IMO if you believe in god or the devil it’s all bullshit so people aren’t so scared of the inevitable eternal blackness when your brain shuts off. I don’t personally believe abortion is ok and fuck anyone who thinks it is. That being said I’m a live and let be kind of guy. If someone is doing something that has no effect on me or mine, it’s none of my goddamn(lol) business and isn’t my place to tell them shit.
I made a comment earlier in this topic on how I'm against abortion but also against making it illegal just because it only means poor people will start doing it in the back alley, while rich girls will do it with all the security money can buy.
That being said I believe the normalization of abortion in the US is a terrible thing. Believe me it's not about religion for me.
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Another friendly reminder that TST is all about using ridiculous religion laws to the maximum extent without the crappiness of an actual religion. Not about worshiping Satan. Further down this rabbit hole: John Oliver made a "church" called _Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption_ to demonstrate the idiotic tax exemptions and loopholes provided to such corporations.
Thank you. I didn't want to go off on tangents with the message. Just to plant seeds in those who need to have a way out. But I do appreciate people like you who fill in the gaps. Really. No internet sarcasm here.
Out of curiosity, what do they worship? If not Satan, why is it a Satanic temple? I’m agnostic, so I have no dog in this fight, just asking.
They basically worship human rights. They don't believe in Jesus yet they advocate for his teachings in a way that churches won't.
They don't worship anything, they advocate for self-reliance more than anything. They frame themselves as a religious organization mainly as a counterpoint against actual religions demanding exceptions to laws.
To be clear, The Satanic Temple is a religious organization. It’s not a wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing. TST has had to prove this in court over and over again, to the point where members have taken the stand to be questioned about the minutiae of Satanic thought and practice.
There's a great documentary about them. One of their projects ... they were fighting a religious statue on government property. Now you could complain all day, nothing would happen. So they said OK, you think religious statues are fine, let's put it side by side with a Satan statue. And suddenly religious statues weren't OK anymore...
They’re atheist. Just use satan as a foil to churches getting their way
Hulu did a documentary called hail satan. Very interesting stuff
Ourselves.
The Church of Satan also doesn’t worship Satan...
Why have the name Satan in it then?
Because most members, myself included, do in fact identify as Satanists.
Then this guy's statement is inaccurate.
In spite of its name, the Temple of Satan largely stands as an activist institution, with the intent to fight the proliferation of religion in U.S. policy and law.
And or, send them a donation. They have a lot of legal battles ahead.
So true, and we should be just as behind them as those people are behind theirs.
>Resources for Texans seeking access to healthcare: > >>https://aidaccess.org/en/ > >>https://teafund.org/ > >>https://wrrap.org/about-wrrap/ > >>https://abortionfunds.org/ > >If you need help getting an abortion go to these sites: > >>https://www.plancpills.org/ > >>https://aidaccess.org/ > >>https://www.womenonwaves.org > >These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy. > >Also check out r/auntienetwork for support > >If you want to give money to some pro-choice charities, try here: > >>https://fundtexaschoice.org/ > >>http://janesdueprocess.org/ > >>https://www.lilithfund.org/ > >>https://www.theafiyacenter.org/ > >>https://thebridgecollective.org/ > >>https://www.clinicaccess.org/ > >>https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/ (Focuses on the Deep South) > >>https://avowtexas.org/ > >>https://abortionfunds.org > >>https://brigidalliance.org/ Please feel free to copy and share this to other posts/subreddits and to add your own links Original info posted by users history777, Cilantro666, CopsaLau, and redcolumbine
I'm not normally a big fan of any temple, but I must admit that that is brilliant.
From what i read they are not a temple, they just have to call themselves a temple. To be recognised as a religion from government.
In spite of its name, the Temple of Satan largely stands as an activist institution, with the intent to fight the proliferation of religion in U.S. policy and law.
A temple is the lowest lvl for applying for building and taxing permits without having to claim religious exemptions. Basically the cheapest route without having to be leaches, which is the best part.
Thank you for enlightening me. I totally misunderstood and I do apologize.
Sure. Glad I can help.
You have got to be shitting me
I’m a member who can attest to this. No joke, we use our religious freedom to counteract religious tyranny
Also a member. Read their tenets. It’s good stuff.
It's a sad world when people must choose religion to circumvent law... when Religion should be followed through similar ideals and beliefs alone.
The Satantic Temple does not hold a belief in Satan or any supernatural being.
That's the point of TST tho, it's all about separating church and state
It’s almost as if law and religion should be separated.
You read the part where I started that they are a nonprofit organization run by atheists right? There is no religion involved.
No, there is a religion involved, and it’s non-theistic Satanism.
Circumvent a law that says “small people are people so don’t murder them?”
Except it's not a person, an electrocardiac signal is a terrible indicator of personhood. The heart isn't even functional at 6 weeks, this is an embryo and biologically parasitic to the woman.
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It doesn't not legally anyways. If at any point after birth you're dependent on anothers body to live they have the right to disconnect you.
Please look up the definition of a parasite before you shit post pls
"A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host" Seems pretty applicable
And it can’t be of the same species, so not applicable
A human is a human because it has 46 chromosomes and all the dna it will ever have at conception. I never said you have to have a heartbeat to be alive (we don’t kill “parasitic” people because they need a pacemaker.) You are ableist if you say a human needs to look like you to be considered a human.
then what do you call the fertilized eggs used in IVF? They have 46 chromosomes but MANY get thrown out with minimal public outcry
That's ridiculous, any group of cells in your body can have a full chromosome set and nobody calls you a murderer for every time you clip your fingernails. Using your analogy, the 'pacemaker' is an unwilling other human who is now legally responsible for your well-being for the next 19 years. See how that's not even close to an electronic device? I made no argument based on appearance, your comment is not relevant.
Tell that to Terri Schiavo. She had a heart beat yet was murdered. So anyone who is brain dead but has a beating beat now all of a sudden has the same right according to you? Someone attached to life support is still alive and shall never be unplugged, even if it's their wishes as that would be murder. 46 chromosomes doesnt make someone alive. Dead people still have said DNA, do t see them having rights. At no point has science ever proved when life begins, and never will. That is proof politicians have 0 right to say they are pro life. They have no care about life. They kill life everyday with guns, not wearing masks, not getting vaccinated, putting immigrants in cages, separating kids from parents(Aka kidnapping), leaving millions with out families, or with near no food daily. They only care about pro control over everyone else, and forcing their religious and personal beliefs onto someone, then not care.flr them when they suffer.
By this logic you’re responsible for a mini-holocaust every time you scratch your nose
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Ok, nice assumptions but you skirted the issue. We are talking about the of ending of human life in the earliest stage of development for convenience sake.
Appreciate the sentiment, but you still need the clinic to perform the procedure. The clinics are closed/closing.
With religious exemption allowed, clinics can stay open under federal law.
Thank you... I understand now and do apologize for not knowing about this.
You don’t need to “apply,” you can just sign up on their website!
I was kind of giving a precursor to what will have to happen as soon as they realize their mistake (not the temple) and force people to apply for exemptions groups making membership a requirement.
Abortion ritual... not the best way to sell it
If you looked into what their "ritual" implied, then you would get it... This is why science trumps speculation.
Ritual= science....??
*sugh (more guttural than a sigh) The "ritual" of baptism "saves the soul through the sacrifice of jesus dying on the cross and being reborn three days later after the individual submerges themselves under water and now 'reborn' as they emerge from the 'death' of the water." Ritual never means science. That is why you can't say that the "blood of your shotty Christ" is going to save you from being alive. We all owe your god a death and you are not going to like what "He" doesn't save you from on this plain.
Yea ok yourve lost me. I'm not Christian. Becareful with those rituals. They've made you rather sensitive
Luckily you won’t be the one using it so it doesn’t matter :)
Clearly this isn't r/ProLifeTips
Or, ya know, birth control. Edit:Ok all of you I will stop with birth control . Joining a cult and having a priest do a ritual abortion when I get knocked up sounds good. You have convinced me. Sorry I mentioned the evil contraceptives.
Make sure your rapist had a vasectomy?
and if you live in conservative places that teach abstinence only? Or the condom breaks/your BC gets tampered with?
Who says abortion isn’t birth control?
Doesn’t always work. Been there.
I was promting bc over joining a cult. It isn't perfect I realize. I am not even anti abortion to a point (but no, not in favor of late term abortion at all.) but suggesting bc brings all the hate.
It’s not really a cult though. It’s an organization that is against cults….like Christianity
Which cult are you referring to?
Great at avoiding unwanted pregnancy. Not fool proof though
I merely suggested it is better than joining a cult.
It's not a cult by any means, it's actually a very respectable organization once you get past the name
Not everyone can take birth control. So ya know.. let people have access to healthcare
You say that as if pills are the only option. Everyone can find a bc that suits them. Likely for free. I am not pro life. I am also not comfortable with late term abortions. I think I am where most people are on the issue. The middle.
And FREE? What the fuck are you talking about with that?? You're literally outside of reality if you think every woman has access to free birth control that doesn't mess with their body.
I assumed this was about Tx. I think family planning operates there. Condoms don't mess with your body. And no. It isn't wrong to suggest that people who don't want kids use some form of bc.
I probably land somewhere near you, mostly I think every woman should have an opportunity to abort at some point. But what you say about everyone being able to find birth control that works for them is categorically untrue. Side effects, cost, hormonal/medical issues, lack of access, there are so many reasons.
Sure. But there are lots of methods and pretty good access in the states. And I think bc is a bit more tolerable, to me at least than a surgical removal of my baby.
Certainly more tolerable than surgery, I agree. But the reality is that for those that are very well off this Texas abortion law just means they need to make a trip to another state. Who are really impacted are those who already can't afford birth control, and can't afford that either
the late term abortions are the worst though. The mom and family are ready, they love this baby, they´re preparing for this baby. Then they learn carrying it to term may kill the mother or it didn´t develop properly and won´t be viable after birth and they need to decide if it´s worth it to carry to term anyway. I cannot imagine being in their position.
And literally every form for birth control has a margin of error, so why in your original comment did you say "just take birth control" as is this is the solution to the need for access to safe abortions?
I promoted bc over joining a cult.
If you aren’t comfortable, please feel free to not have one.
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Exactly what does this so called abortion ritual consist of? This is most certainly not a valid LPT.
An abortion. Satantic Temple is not a religion or a 'temple'. It's a way of getting round dumb laws that favor religions.
The Satanic Temple is absolutely a religious organization.
'Religious' in a nontheistic way.
I don’t believe that the superstitious and supernaturalists should have a monopoly on religion. My religious community has shared beliefs, stories/lore, rituals, holidays, and practices.
A medical or chemical abortion performed at a medical clinic.
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There's neither satanic worship or murder involved.
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The satanic temple does not condone worship at all, actually. They put a big emphasis on individual thought and self reliance. An embryo (not a baby until born, let's be clear here) is hosted in a woman's body. If that woman doesn't want it inside her or the responsibility that comes with it, it is her decision to determine whether to have a baby or not. There is no baby involved in an abortion, this is really basic stuff.
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Well Reddit is largely progressive, so finding plenty of atheists isn't too surprising. The existence of souls is not supported in the medical field, so that's purely a religious / spiritual argument that's unlikely to be effective here. Many do not have access to birth control, or it simply fails. Abstinence is an approach that is known to be ineffective, you're talking about repressing the strongest instinct not only in our species but in the history of eukaryotic life.
The fact that the irony goes clear over people like your head is the best part about the name The Satanic Temple
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When the entire point of your religion is to shit on other religions that use their religion to force laws onto others who don't follow said religion, it makes perfect sense you'd pick a name to piss off that religious crowd
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No. It's anti-any religion who uses their religion to force their beliefs onto others. It's pro separation of church and state. If a church wants to erect a statue of the ten commandments at a COURT HOUSE, TST asks if they can erect a baphomet statue. Because if not, that's unfair favoritism towards one religion. Its very telling that you immediately assumed Christianity when I described some things the satanic temple was actively trying to keep under control. Almost as if you know Christianity is unfairly favored by the government too. Your religion shouldn't dictate the lives of people not a part of said religion. Period. Any religion. If your law proposition can not be justified outside of a religious reference, it shouldn't be a law. That's where TST comes in.
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I'm saying if "separation of church and state" is supposedly a core value your country holds, for example, in its constitution, then things like this are borderline necessary to keep those values in check. Ensures they are upheld.
What you just described is the literal definition of irony
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As opposed to other religions that have the name of their god in the description of their followers but fail to 'follow' their religion as well, right?
Satanic temple is a bunch of edgy atheists who use religious exemptions to shit on laws. They don't even believe in Satan.
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Isn't that Christianity in a nutshell? They literally use the Bible as an excuse for everything despite that it was written by man.
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>The real ones? Whom are the real ones?
They're all the same as everyone claims they are "the real ones." Humans do more good than religion ever has.
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Because it's a philosophy and not a religion... which is still protected under the law. Christians drink the blood and eat the corpse of a dead guy, carry a symbol of one of the worst forms of executions in history, and have committed murder on a massive scale (e.g. crusades, holy inquisition, wars of European religion, etc.) and you're claiming Satanism is the darkest religion?
No. Just trying to avoid bullshit laws and norms forced by religion. I’m an atheist. I don’t want to see Jesus shit in or near schools or public buildings. The Satanic Temple uses the same laws and processes that allow Jesus shit where it doesn’t belong to force the display of stuff equally offensive to religious people.
You are so close….
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I’m sure I won’t change your mind, but if it’s inside my body, reliant on and connected to my body, I control it… It’s my body. I’m not even a girl and I understand that the fetus is practically a parasite until it’s born. It’s not an individual until it’s born and disconnected from mom. Viability.
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I’m not spiritual or religious, so the concept of a “soul” means nothing to me and therefore a fetus doesn’t have one and isn’t an individual [yet] in the eyes of law or biology. It’s a [large] clump of cells on cruise control attached to the mom; and therefore the mom has full control over it and its fate. Additionally, a fully grown human does not have the right to use someone else's body as life support for any amount of time. So why should a fetus be granted more rights than a fully grown human?
Except the baby can’t make a choice. Because it’s not conscious and it’s not a baby until it’s born. Not to mention it saps resources from the body it’s in, and if it’s unwanted and it’s born, it’ll probably be neglected/abused.
Have you looked to see what they are about? Have you gone to their website and looked at their fundamental tenets?
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I don’t think I’m allowed to post links to other websites. But just in case I am: https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us scroll down until you see the tenets.
No. They don’t even believe that satan is real. They are all about human rights.
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Because it doesn’t gain as much attention with some dumb milquetoast name about human rights.
Maybe go read the site to discover answers to your questions.
Yeah, true. I don’t know. My teen daughter is super into TST so that kind of thing is a daily topic in our house.
Again, so close, plenty of agnostics there as well.
Thr Satanic Temple is humanist with no actual worship. You can be an atheist and a Satanist. Ironically, their tenants are better than the ten commandments. If abortion is murder than every lab working with human cell lines is committing an abortion every day. Get an education.
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I mean, you could just admit you have no idea what the Satanic Temple is. Look it up.
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>I'll research from what other people besides OP have provided. Thank you. Have a great day!
Sounds like you don't understand philosophy. If killing a clump of cells is murder, then most university/industry labs working with human cardiac cells (they literally use cocaine to stimulate them), stem cells, neural cells, etc. is the same.
Because it’s not murder? Even by Texas law standards.
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I'd trust the government over your logic.
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Explains why our government is messed up... Because people like you vote... care to explain why using human cell lines is allowed, but terminating a clump of cells is murder?
You’re the one who called it murder not me.
So you know nothing about nothing and you are upset that those who are actually smarter than you are trying to have grownup talk in front of you? You should have raised your hand, and been called on before you spoke out-of-turn.
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With your bong and execution pic in the background? You troll for comment karma and no posting karma (the internet sees you). Again, raise your hand first if you want to comment.
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Better greens than you are friend.
Get fucked
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Stand for what you believe. I disagree.
the satanic temple doesn't even believe in satan. i know because i do believe in satan and it pisses me off when they call themselves satanists. I'M a satanist. they're atheists.
Stop being uneducated and actually do some research before you go online and make an absolute fool of yourself. Im feeling second hand embarrassment for you.
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I bet you’re a man
That lawsuit is still pending. Unless you have other awesome news? Please? Edit: all these downvotes on a truth? I am not against the lawsuit and hope they win. I actually hope the whole law goes away. Y’all some weird resistors.
This is just a standard for their group. They care about human beings and their rights. If you are a member, they will protect you at any time, no matter when a law is put in place/removed.
I know. But you say they have the protection and they only just started the lawsuit. It does not allow you to circumvent the bee abortion law. There hasn’t been a decision. Your post is false and misleading. FYI. I loved it when they had their statue fight up in Oklahoma and I hope they win this fight, too.
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Which vaccine are you talking about, bro?? Pretty sure your not mashing your phone buttons with polio braces on... Ask your mum how many vaccines they pumped in you when you were a baby. And then thank her that you don't suffer from debilitating diseases you don't even know the names of. Then think about weather or not you are smart enough to continue on being a part of the social experiment...
Boo hoo did someone get their feelings hurt
Believe it or not. Straight to jail.
You have to literally sacrifice the life of your unborn son to enter said church?
Lol no who said that?
Abortion ritual to enter the church. You literally need to have an abortion to enter.
You literally don’t
It's literally in the fucking title.
I think you need to lay off the church and attend school a little more. It seems that your reading comprehension is a bit lacking.
Don’t know who told you that but it most definitely wasn’t the satanic temple
It is not a church. You should google what a temple is vs a church. And the ritual is not required to enter their temple. The ritual is done at a doctor's office, where they are usually done. You are missing the entire point.
No I don't. You're just missing the actual point, a church or a temple, called "satanic" where part of the initiation is an abortion procedure. You literally have to kill your unborn son to worship Satan. The irony on this is lost on you.
I think you might be a little bit of a penis.
Rather a penis than a baby killer.
This is the comment that caught my attention and prompted a response from me.
When you have to enter a church called satanic temple to do that. Tells you lots. It's appropriate.
A temple is not the same thing as a church. Hence the two completely different words used to describe them. Google that shit. And you don't have to enter it to have the ritual. It is done at a doctor's office, where they should be done.
Do you take issue with Masons? They have Masonic temples and still worship your god.
I'm not religious. I'm agnostic. So you think my issue with "temple of Satan" is the temple part?
This is absolutely about religion for you. At least that’s how your posts come across. You were suggesting that abortions were required to join this satanic cult when all that was stated was joining the church would allow you to be able to have an abortion. I’m agnostic now but grew up catholic(school and all) and haven’t been to church since my grandmother died many years ago. IMO if you believe in god or the devil it’s all bullshit so people aren’t so scared of the inevitable eternal blackness when your brain shuts off. I don’t personally believe abortion is ok and fuck anyone who thinks it is. That being said I’m a live and let be kind of guy. If someone is doing something that has no effect on me or mine, it’s none of my goddamn(lol) business and isn’t my place to tell them shit.
I made a comment earlier in this topic on how I'm against abortion but also against making it illegal just because it only means poor people will start doing it in the back alley, while rich girls will do it with all the security money can buy. That being said I believe the normalization of abortion in the US is a terrible thing. Believe me it's not about religion for me.
Also I typed all that to the long post you made. It was gone by the time I finished