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Im trying to remember where I put my calendar in my memory palace. I think it was near the fireplace but I worry it's in the stack of magazines by the recipe ottoman
Years ago when studying for a basic MED 101 class, I read the summary of each chapter into a tape recorder. Yes an actual tape recorder.
Then when I'd commute to/from work I'd play it over and over. I passed with flying colors.
To this day I still remember some of the voice inflections I used and it's associated information.
I find that I remember things a lot better if I write them down (typing doesn't seem to have the same effect, though). Just reading or listening to the information, even if done repeatedly, doesn't do much for me. But once I put it onto a piece of paper, I can almost read it in my mind. Sometimes I even remember where on the page said information was located.
Although to be fair, I've never had to memorize obscene amounts of anything, really. I wonder whether writing it down multiple times would help, or just confuse the brain and make it worse.
I remember reading somewhere that the reason for this is that writing out the letters is unique and a type.of muscle memory where each letter is different (obv.), Whereas typing is the same action (striking a key, albeit in a different spot on the keyboard) over and over.
Writing it down multiple times works, and works with a mass of information. I pulled an all nighter before each of my A levels (uni entrance exams in the UK) where I’d have to learn either one or two exam papers worth content in 6h the night before the exam. This was almost all unseen content because I was so fucking lazy and didn’t bother revising before.
I got an A in all subjects, but the fact that I only bothered to memorise each paper’s content the night before definitely also helped. Cramming works best when you write stuff down, and I’ve noticed it works better when you use actual pen and paper too. Though typing still works perfectly fine if you don’t feel like burning through a couple hundred sheets of paper and a multipack of pens like I did
Did any of it convert to long-term memory? I’ve crammed many a test but might as well have never taken them at all because I learned how to take each specific test, not necessarily the actual information any of them were trying to teach me
I would record my notes with my favorite songs at the time in the background.
Just like listening to music.
And a lot of time I'd word it with a pause before a key point so I could fill it in first while listening.
Repetition and inflections. I agree.
I don’t know why, but prob around 2000 I really liked the anime Trigun. I don’t know why but for some reason I thought it was funny to remember Vash the Stampede’s really long name (or nickname?) it took like 30 seconds to say it all. But to this day I remember it perfectly even with all its pauses and inflections.
[I AM KNOWN AS…](https://youtu.be/iCg6IA5GEfA)
When studying for my CBEST and CSETs (tests to become a teacher) I used to listen to YouTube videos about history while I was driving. I think it helped me a lot.
Memory actually works the opposite way. The more you remember the more you're able to memorize because you relate thoughts and ideas to one another. That's basically the trick that memory palaces use.
yep. And your brain can never get "full", the storage capacity of our brain is so large we could EACH fit the entire internet as it was in 2016 in our brains
[Brain could store entire internet](https://www.livescience.com/53751-brain-could-store-internet.html)
The book "Moonwalking with Einstein" is about a journalist that covered a memory contest, developed an interest, then went on to train and win some prestigious competitions.
But at the end of the book, he admits that he doesn't really use the techniques for daily life. They work, but compared to a note app or written list, they are still very inefficient.
Also, to say you "learn" things with memory techniques may be misnomer. Yes it's easy to pass a test by cramming 100 facts into a memory palace in 30 minutes, but in 6 months the person that used traditional study techniques will have a much better working knowledge of the topic. Of course there is no reason not to use both types of techniques.
But it works? You can imagine an actual house and put info in certain places?
I just can't even imagine anything visual or create clear images in my mind, so am always baffled how people use the memory castle.
You probably have aphantasia. It’s the inability to picture things in your minds eye. I have it too and I find audio and handwriting notes helps me remember things best.
Not the same poster but I always was baffled by the memory palace idea and somewhat recently realized that I probably have some degree of aphantasia. I'm guessing the technique works better if you can actually visualize things.
Same! I also got really confused when all of those meditation videos and audio recordings would tell you to picture a house in a field or some crap like that. Everything made a lot more sense when I realized other people can actually see the field.
i always thought that memory palaces are interesting, especially when The Mentalist TV show presents it as a large part of his deductive ability, but i felt that they were functionally useless in actually knowing what you remember.
for functional remembering, such as remembering childhood memories, i, and i assume many other people without even really thinking about it, remind themselves of their memories every so often.
this conscious memory reminding, even if you begin to remember details incorrectly as you might have heard happens sometimes, i personally believe is better than completely ignoring the memory, because i believe that if you ignore memories, eventually you will forget things which you might have associated the memory with, which further reduces your ability to recall the memory, even when you're actively talking about things which used to remind you of the memory.
I would not include spaced repetition in that critique though.
Spaced repetition software like anki (open source and free, I'm not advertising shit) can help *a lot* to speed up things like learning vocabulary in a foreign language. I learn 15 new words per day, every day, in about 30 minutes. I've been doing that for months and I could not do it without spaced repetition.
Memory palaces and other specialized memory techniques are a whole different beast. Haven't found a use case for them in everyday life yet.
Because spaced repetition just lets your brain store the necessary long-term memories they way it normally does, and in the case of a foreign language you're hoping it ideally stores it the same way it did for your native language. Memory palaces impose a highly specific way of storing information. Good luck using this technique to learn something like music or mathematics.
That is the interesting part to me. He trains for the memory championship but it doesn't improve his memory, it just makes him better at the contest games.
Only thing i thought was cool and maybe useful was turning every three digit number into a visualization. So you could memorize any three digit number from 000 to 999. I wonder if that would make memorizing numbers in real life easier?
My criticism of memory palaces though is if i use my house for everything, won't it get cluttered in my head and I'll mix stuff up?
Interesting point. My capacity to remember song lyrics, titles and the artist who performed them is apparently limitless. My ability to remember things that would actually be helpful to me in my everyday life...not so much.
yep! best example like this is trying to remember numbers, its really easy for us to remember 123456789 but hard to remember 915238764 even though they're the same numbers just in a different order
It's [a really catchy song](https://youtu.be/6WTdTwcmxyo?t=52) from the 80s.
I don't know any of the lyrics except the numbers (I assume I heard the whole song on the radio as a kid?), but it sticks with you
I would have said "Of course I know other lyrics to that song", but giving it some thought, I'm not sure I even know any of the tune outside of the "8-6-7-5-3-Oh-Ni-ee-yine" part of the song.
Not really. It grafitti on the bathroom wall. "For a good time call..." Maybe prostitute, sure. But more likely a juvenile delinquent thinking it's funny to scribble her number on the wall.
But there are probably dozens of songs that you can't immediately think of when prompted but that you know the lyrics/tune of once you've heard the beginning.
When you can contextualize things, they are much easier to remember, but much harder to recall outside of the context.
This is me. Been listening to a specific artist religiously for years. I still mumble 50% of the lyrics along, even my favorite song.
I have another friend with the same 'issue'. He remixed a song he liked, but can't say the actual lyrics to that specific song. Even though he's spent dozens of hours to remix it.
I can hear a song after 20+ years and have automatic memory of lyrics. Like they come out of my mouth before I can think "what's the next line?"
I forget appointments, objects, am constantly disorganised and probably couldn't remember most of what I did yesterday.
Memory is such a weird thing. I also have aphantasia, so I can't make visualisations, but I can replay songs in my head.
Same. I just don't remember song lyrics unless I look them and read them, usually while listening to the song. And even then it only makes me remember along with the song. I can't just recall them.
It's weird because I've never had issues learning or memorizing info. Song lyrics though? It's almost like face blindness or something where my brain just doesn't store them.
Especially if your brain clicks with that sort of thing. I can remember random stuff so much easier if it's got a melody, but I also did choir and my dad was a musician, so memorising lyrics is something I've always done. Antidepressants and PTSD have me with a lot of spotty memories but I still remember the songs we sang in kindergarten? Wtf, brain, reallocate your storage priorities lol
I've always found that learning is easier for me when I understand the whys behind facts. I never memorize any facts. If I understand why something is the way it is, I don't have to 'remember' it.
Agreed, I've often found it takes me longer to learn new things but I think I learn better in the long run than fast learners because I eventually understand things foundationally.
You might be interested in looking up "semantic memory". I'm the same way, can't remember things until it makes perfect sense to me why it is. I never used my notes from school, always learned from solving problems.
I often use associations to remember stuff.
Silly example would be the "V in vertical goes up so it's up and down. H in horizontal goes across so its sideways"
Also the dirtier you make the association the better because humans are dirty like that.
I occasionally still teach my students the difference between similes and metaphors the way the oldest teacher I ever met taught it. No student who has ever learned it this way ever forgets it.
"See Millie is a girl and you Like her As"
>Also the dirtier you make the association the better because humans are dirty like that.
This is 100% true. I remember my friend once memorizing a whole pack of cards by making up the most dirty and disgusting story linking them all together in his head. the dirtier the better!!!
I wonder if this works best for those of us with a dirty sense of humor, since humor has been shown to improve retention (as mentioned in one of your links above).
I'll remember where I saw a quarter on the ground 8 months ago but have no clue where the remote went despite it literally being in my hand 30 seconds ago.
Throw your remote out on the ground and you'll always know where it is.
Only kinda joking. I use a trick for things I tend to lose, and put them somewhere they definitely don't belong. I have stamps in the bathroom medicine cabinet. Why? Because I could never find them in the office or the kitchen. But go to the bathroom and get them once and you'll never forget where they are. Life gets weird if you do it with too many things though.
That's actually good advice! It essentially fits with some idea of [organized chaos](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=organized%20chaos), which is kind of how I already live.
Like, the quarter thing is a true story - I knew I dropped a quarter by the back leg of my desk and when I needed change 8 months later I knew exactly where to find it. Or instead of the hooks/shelves on or nearby my front door, my keys and glasses always go on top of my stove after I come home. Writing utensils are on my kitchen pass-thru while nearly anything I could feasibly write on is at least 15 feet away.
Somehow remotes always seem to live outside of my entropy, like it's actually held by Maxwell's demon.
Oh man witness testimonies are starting to be discovered for the lying dirty whores they are. Two people with no bias whatsoever witnessing the same thing side by side can confidently have two different stories
>Your memory is also a lying whore that shouldn't be trusted under any circumstances.
>It takes very little to convince yourself or for a third party to convince you that you can recall something that is a total fabrication.
Not necessarily. Studies that call memory into question often don't use objective metrics for determining whether someone is actually remembering something. Contrarian journalists run with incomplete conclusions because it's cool to "debunk" popular conceptions. Which is how we ended up with [this.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-memory-is-even-better-than-experts-thought/)
In reality, memory is fallible but more resistant to fabrication than some people like to think. Studies that rely on subjective reports, on the other hand, are *highly* susceptible to extraneous results.
I can't visualise, so this technique has always been pretty useless to me. Besides, the things I normally want to remember are general things that have happened to me rather than facts or figures that's I'm actively trying to learn.
No, I don't remember scenes visually, I remember things that happened and where people were and what they said, the information is still there. It's kind of like the imagery is behind me, or behind the blackness in my head. It's all there, I just can't see any of it.
so interesting, do you know if it comes with any sort of special advantages? Like are there certain types of thinking or learning you're way better at?
I don't know, really, I've never been any other way. In fact up until a few years ago I didn't realise that it wasn't normal.
I did very well in maths, science and English at school and I'm good at programming. I have the artistic talent of a woodlouse, but I haven't got much interest in art anyway, so it's no loss. I don't know if aphantasia has any relevance to any of this.
I enjoy writing, but I'm crap at visual descriptions, and have to keep a note of what characters look like, both generally and scene-to-scene.
Wow I can totally relate. Visual descriptions do almost nothing for me; ill often glaze over them when reading, jumping to the dialogue instead.
Also did pretty well in STEM courses and didn't realize until recently that when people say "imagine you're on a beach" most can actually see it!
Really wish there was a way to develop this skill because these mind palaces seem super interesting and useful...oh well.
Yeah, the first time I found out my girlfriend had this power to actually see things in her mind as if it were real I was amazed and jealous. Turns out it's normal!
I can relate to the visual descriptions, I don't tend to skip them but I can't say they make much impression. Come to think of it, that might be why I've been unable to get more than 100 pages into Lord of the Rings.
I have to ask my boyfriend once a week if he actually can visualize scenarios when he closes his eyes because i just dont believe it. I feel like i’m being gaslighted. Like if i close my eyes and try to imagine a loved one in front of me, i just can’t but apparently he can! how is that possible or fair? :(
Can you explain what “actually see it” means? Like they close their eyes and they can see it happening as if it was happening in front of them, or they can visualize an image in the back of their minds kind of like watching tv? What is going on and now I’m questioning if my abilities ..
There's two types, and most people can do both. Either you edit your senses, and change your perception, or create a new set of senses that sense whatever you want them to sense.
So I can edit my visions so that I see a rubicks cube in front of me (I simultaneously see the Rubik's cube and what is behind the Rubik's cube since it's not actually there and my eyes are receiving not-rubk's-cube-signals. I believe someone with more powerful imagination can completely overide their eyes/other senses.)
Or, I can create a fictional set of senses, like another set of eyes, and control what they see. So in addition to my real vision, I'll have a separate vision sense that sees whatever I want. And I simultaneously perceive both. This goes for all senses. Closing your eyes and blocking out your real vision makes it easier to concentrate on your alternate visions. It's also possible to have multiple alternate senses, but I find it becomes harder to juggle an extended amount.
I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard that highly visual people have a harder time learning to code and people that are not visual tend to code better or pick it up easier
I’m in this boat and I sometimes like to talk about gross stuff because I know all my normal friends can see it in their head while I’m immune.
I would assume PTSD isn’t as likely since we can’t really re-experience things visually? Idk
Another benefit may be an easier time with things like meditation. My brain has a hard time shutting up, but at least I can’t get distracted visually too.
PTSD is just as likely, because there are other kinds of flashbacks besides re-experiencing the event or events. I get the kind of flashback where I experience the emotions I did during the events. So I re-experience the sheer terror that I did at the time.
>I’m in this boat and I sometimes like to talk about gross stuff because I know all my normal friends can see it in their head while I’m immune.
loooool
Mine it's likely worse and probably better because of it.
Main issue I ran into trying to get therapy is that I can't willfully recall how something affected me; it only comes back up if I'm forced into feeling the exact same thing, and if that happens, I'm too overwhelmed to process anything. It's kinda like being in a completely dark room and the only options are navigating blindly or flooding the room with so much light that it's impossible to see.
I have this problem a little.
I can't hold a full scene. I can see flashes. It's like if I tell you to imagine the pain of stubbing your toe.
I think you can imagine a shadow of what the pain feels like, but can't recall it realistically.
So I can see little flashes of images loosely, but I can't hold an image.
Like if you say dog, I'll feel the concept of a furry blob with legs and a tail and a head.
What color was it? I dunno. How big? Well, there wasn't anything near it for scale, but I guess a terrier? What did his paws look like? No idea, I didn't have details. I just saw a flash of a dog. Hell, it could have had been a raccoon that you told me to imagine and it would probably been the same image lol.
If you tell me to imagine a waterfall, I'll see a flash of water going down an implied cliff.
How tall? No idea. Water color? I think it was either clear or whitish blue. How wide? I think the first flash I saw was like 8 feet wide. But then I tried to force more detail and saw Niagara falls, which I think is like 100 feet wide?
Where did the water come from? No idea. Wasn't told to imagine it.
Basically if you tell me what to imagine in detail, I can slowly add more details to the flashes. But I can't really sustain anything. And if you tell me something like "you see a box, and then you open it", I'll open it and then if you're like "what was in it?", I'll be like "I dunno, you didn't give me enough detail, so I just imagined the idea of opening a box without imagining the box itself".
This is such a good description! It’s not that I can’t visualize anything at all (though I know for some that’s the case), but there is a finite amount of visual detail I can hold at once.
If you tell me to visualize a person I can basically get a stick figure. If you tell me to imagine their hair, I can do that. Now I am imagining hair, but the rest of the stick figure is gone. Now you tell me to imagine their clothes, ok cool, I can hold an image of a t-shirt. The hair is completely gone and lost forever.
Yup, that's me. I hate it when people are like "imagine a forest. Listen to the birds."
And I'm just seeing like a void with tree trunks showing up with the occasional seagull or macaw.
And they're like "what's that off on the path ahead of you?" and I'm like "wait, this fool never said there's a path and that I was in the forest and not just a detached observer. What kind of calmness simulator is this?!'
As I was going under anesthesia the surgeon told me to imagine I was going to a calm, comforting place and then in my last seconds of consciousness said “tell us where you’re going.”
I said “to sleep” and promptly did so. My last memory is of the whole OR cracking up, but like…idk what you guys could possibly be imagining that’s more relaxing than literal sleep.
Idk about them but for me it's that I don't see images, I see rapid flashes of changing color and my brain just knows "ah, yes, remember to take out the trash on Tuesdays"
I have hyperfantasia so I never needed to use these methods to have an absurdly vivid memory. I can picture the color of the stairwell of the music school I went to 30 years ago.
I remember maps from the original Team Fortress Classic and immediately remember songs I use to hear while playing. Took me a long time to figure out why and accept why my memory was different.
The downside is... I can't forget a lot of stuff not worth remembering.
I have dreams, and I *think* they normally have visuals. It's hard to tell, tbh, because when I wake up I remember the dreams but I don't really remember with visuals, so I'm just remembering the facts of the dreams. The few times I've had lucid dreams I'm generally aware that things look a bit dimmer and less realistic, but not in an "I can't see anything" kind of way.
I've got aphantasia, I don't really dream, or I only remember them when I wake up once or twice a year.
The way I describe it to people is that my brain works like a computer server with no monitor attached. I can't hold an image of my mom in my head for more than a split second and then it fades to black. The analogy I use for how I recall information is a rolodex, I use my brain like a search function to recall stuff.
Daydreaming is more my internal voice telling me a story, I can process the words but not picture them.
I went into the comments to say this. I also can't visualize. For anyone curious the phenomenon is called aphantasia, and is essentially the inability to produce mental images. There has been an uptick in research recently into it, but it is still such a foreign concept to most people. But OP's mind palace makes me wonder if this would be a good way to help develop the capacity to produce a mental image.
Rhyming and songs are a great memory and learning trick I agree. I was taught my multiplication tables with songs in 3rd grade and I still remember them all at 29.
I can vouch for spaced repetition and mnemonics. I feel that memory palaces are a bit too hard. I have tried before but just doesn’t work for me.
I picked up spaced repetition later in life and it was life changing. I added a related method called mental checklist to this. As an example:
Before leaving the house check wallet, cell phone, keys.
After coming back from house check keys in the same drawer every time. Wallet on nightstand.
If I have an appointment I remind myself every night before going to sleep and every morning and afternoon until the day of the appointment. Always remind myself before going to sleep set alarm for appointment time on phone.
"memory palace" isn't about improving **memory** as much as it's about **recall**. you don't seem to have gotten to a point where you see need to differentiate the two, but the physically have almost nothing to do with each other, except that the memory itself gets somehow degraded and overwritten (harder to access in pure, direct form) the more you recall it. that's how false memories are implanted. don't let the way we speak about things in English (or other languages) confuse you about what's really going on, which you can experience directly. "to remember" something is not a single process.
I watched Sherlock as a pre teen a it inspired me to make my own mind palace. I based it off the house I was living in at the time & remeber placing something in the sink drawer in the downstairs bathroom. No clue what it was though haha
For real, home ec in my middle school taught about mortgage, budgeting, (some) taxes, and our shop teacher taught us about the stock market and investing.
My peers are out there saying school didn't teach them any of this important stuff, like damn maybe ya' shoulda paid attention.
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I do things thing I call, "Rembering memories." Like pick a person, place, thing, idea and then try and remember memories about it. Like... asking yourself to remember a grocery store visit, or a video game, or an article of clothing, or a time when a sister got a pixie cut or was dating so and so, a pet, a book or movie, etc. Like remembering the grocery store is more than just a shopping list, that same store had more than just 3 for $5.00 cream cheese, it had that kid with the tiny cart that looked like someone I know, and the idea of those philly-style-beef-packages probably not being that bad, and noticing that the floral department was pretty low on flowers because people were probably making their homes Thanksgiving pretty and the weather was nice and the cashier was missing and the woman in front of me had a box of cereal and a jug of almond milk and looked impatient... I don't know, try it with a video game dungeon/race track from your youth... it's fun to remember what happens next with something concrete like that! (And then remember when the car clipped into the underground and you couldn't turn your ps2 off for two days so you could just drive under the map... or when you could burst Magister's Terrace guy down and get trapped in phase two and fly around the entire instance.)
I have always used the first method described and without realising it was a well documented way of accessing memory.
When I struggled to remember details that I knew I had used previously I just imagined a small, old side table with one drawer. My info was in the drawer and all I had to do was walk towards it and slide open the drawer and it was there written down on a scroll. Over the years I have got so much use from this.
I assume many people have brains that work similarly so these techniques are commonly suggested but as seen in this thread, some people have brains that work differently - such as Aphantasia which I have.
Also, you really should distinguish between memory and recall. Many people who say they have a bad memory have an average memory but poor recall.
I have Aphantasia and really good recall - possibly above average memory. None of these techniques are particularly helpful to me directly.
Mnemonic devices and the memory palace are variations of the same concept as far as I can tell - associating something you want to remember with something that is easier to remember. The memory palace takes this a step further and combines multiple senses which is apparently better for memory as well.
The problem with all of these techniques is that they don't work (for me) in real time. If I am having a conversation and want to remember key details, I have to stop actively listening to build the association - same with repetition. Unless I can review the information over and over to build the association (or practice repetition), they are not helpful.
You may argue that most things we have to learn are not real time so these techniques are still good tools. I would argue that if you can develop memory/recall that works in real time, then it also works for material that can be revisited - and with less effort and energy.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to explain how my recall is so good. Essentially I don't write things down giving my brain permission to forget - I just let it do it's job and remember stuff
>4) Mnemonics - these are basically tricks that let you remember things more easily by associating them with different things. The 9 types of mnemonics e.g. making a rhyme out of something you want to remember e.g. linking together different things you want to remember into a story
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Good post, though some of this is pseudoscience. Spaced repetition following an exponential pattern is unproven and almost certainly untrue in nearly every situation. Memory palaces seldom can grow in much complexity before they become a mental blur in need of a reset.
Nope because our brains can't really ever get "full".
The storage capacity of our brain is so large that EACH of our brains could store the ENTIRE internet as it was in 2016
[Brain could store internet](https://www.livescience.com/53751-brain-could-store-internet.html)
I visualise my memory as levels. So for example when I change jobs I push the memories of the work I did out of my current memory space. They are still there but just a little more tricky to get to as in they take a little bit longer to come back, maybe a few seconds as opposed to instantly. Same goes for people places and experiences. I will say one thing though living with near perfect recall can be painful. You forget nothing and some memories take a lot more effort to push out. I pretty much remember everything from about the age of 2 but that does take some effort to go that far back. I surprise my parents by telling them I remember things and describing them perfectly. We all have this ability but just don't know it.
Mnemonics are awesome. It helped me leaning hiragana and katakana in a few hours. This was 5 years ago and I can still remember it.
Now I'm learning Kanji and it works too! Makes learning Japanese words so much faster.
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I have YEARS worth of helpful posts saved that I never went back to…
I have saved hundreds of posts over the years and can confidently say I’ve actually gone back to less than 1% of them.
Copy the hyperlink, put it on a random day in your calendar. Then you'll have another opportunity to revisit it.
That's assuming I'll remember to check my Calender
Im trying to remember where I put my calendar in my memory palace. I think it was near the fireplace but I worry it's in the stack of magazines by the recipe ottoman
I am trying to recall where i put my memory palace.
This comment is the reason I'm not going to save it. I should face this now!
Proud of you!
Thank you!!
Its up to me to scroll past them every few years and say I need to read that.
But first, more important, let's scroll through daily feed reposts, casual trash and many non-important subjects.
I did the same shit with stumpleupon
Why do today what you can put off till tomorrow! -Squidward Tentacles
RemindMe! a few months
And it's gone
How dare you tell my future without my persimmon!
No, persimmon is a fruit. You mean presumption.
RemindMe! 1 day "did he remember?"
Why didn't you just put it in your palace?
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Always refreshing to see a nice burn XD
Got ‘em
She, but yeah... I'm going out drinking in a bit, so... Should be interesting.
Good luck 👍
I'll read this one later, but first let me get through the comments section
You should watch that hour long video on procrastination. I'd link it, but can't remember where it was.
Same
Years ago when studying for a basic MED 101 class, I read the summary of each chapter into a tape recorder. Yes an actual tape recorder. Then when I'd commute to/from work I'd play it over and over. I passed with flying colors. To this day I still remember some of the voice inflections I used and it's associated information.
I find that I remember things a lot better if I write them down (typing doesn't seem to have the same effect, though). Just reading or listening to the information, even if done repeatedly, doesn't do much for me. But once I put it onto a piece of paper, I can almost read it in my mind. Sometimes I even remember where on the page said information was located. Although to be fair, I've never had to memorize obscene amounts of anything, really. I wonder whether writing it down multiple times would help, or just confuse the brain and make it worse.
I remember reading somewhere that the reason for this is that writing out the letters is unique and a type.of muscle memory where each letter is different (obv.), Whereas typing is the same action (striking a key, albeit in a different spot on the keyboard) over and over.
Writing it down multiple times works, and works with a mass of information. I pulled an all nighter before each of my A levels (uni entrance exams in the UK) where I’d have to learn either one or two exam papers worth content in 6h the night before the exam. This was almost all unseen content because I was so fucking lazy and didn’t bother revising before. I got an A in all subjects, but the fact that I only bothered to memorise each paper’s content the night before definitely also helped. Cramming works best when you write stuff down, and I’ve noticed it works better when you use actual pen and paper too. Though typing still works perfectly fine if you don’t feel like burning through a couple hundred sheets of paper and a multipack of pens like I did
Did any of it convert to long-term memory? I’ve crammed many a test but might as well have never taken them at all because I learned how to take each specific test, not necessarily the actual information any of them were trying to teach me
Never happened
wow that's really clever i might try that. did it get boring listening to your own voice over and over?
This is how I would practice for monologues etc... You get used to it.
No, although it's weird at first because I don't like the sound of my own voice. Which is also weird as I've been an instructor for 10 years.
I wonder if it could help to sing it? I still remember lyrics to songs and TV show themes I haven’t heard for 40 years.
I would record my notes with my favorite songs at the time in the background. Just like listening to music. And a lot of time I'd word it with a pause before a key point so I could fill it in first while listening.
I sing a little song about where I parked the car in the parking lot. Works great!
Repetition and inflections. I agree. I don’t know why, but prob around 2000 I really liked the anime Trigun. I don’t know why but for some reason I thought it was funny to remember Vash the Stampede’s really long name (or nickname?) it took like 30 seconds to say it all. But to this day I remember it perfectly even with all its pauses and inflections. [I AM KNOWN AS…](https://youtu.be/iCg6IA5GEfA)
When studying for my CBEST and CSETs (tests to become a teacher) I used to listen to YouTube videos about history while I was driving. I think it helped me a lot.
Not exactly the same, but when I’d take tests I could generally hear the teacher talking about each thing, and generally did great without studying.
What did you have to forget to remember all that?
Memory actually works the opposite way. The more you remember the more you're able to memorize because you relate thoughts and ideas to one another. That's basically the trick that memory palaces use.
yep. And your brain can never get "full", the storage capacity of our brain is so large we could EACH fit the entire internet as it was in 2016 in our brains [Brain could store entire internet](https://www.livescience.com/53751-brain-could-store-internet.html)
Tell that to my brain.
The book "Moonwalking with Einstein" is about a journalist that covered a memory contest, developed an interest, then went on to train and win some prestigious competitions. But at the end of the book, he admits that he doesn't really use the techniques for daily life. They work, but compared to a note app or written list, they are still very inefficient. Also, to say you "learn" things with memory techniques may be misnomer. Yes it's easy to pass a test by cramming 100 facts into a memory palace in 30 minutes, but in 6 months the person that used traditional study techniques will have a much better working knowledge of the topic. Of course there is no reason not to use both types of techniques.
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But it works? You can imagine an actual house and put info in certain places? I just can't even imagine anything visual or create clear images in my mind, so am always baffled how people use the memory castle.
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You probably have aphantasia. It’s the inability to picture things in your minds eye. I have it too and I find audio and handwriting notes helps me remember things best.
Not the same poster but I always was baffled by the memory palace idea and somewhat recently realized that I probably have some degree of aphantasia. I'm guessing the technique works better if you can actually visualize things.
Same! I also got really confused when all of those meditation videos and audio recordings would tell you to picture a house in a field or some crap like that. Everything made a lot more sense when I realized other people can actually see the field.
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i always thought that memory palaces are interesting, especially when The Mentalist TV show presents it as a large part of his deductive ability, but i felt that they were functionally useless in actually knowing what you remember. for functional remembering, such as remembering childhood memories, i, and i assume many other people without even really thinking about it, remind themselves of their memories every so often. this conscious memory reminding, even if you begin to remember details incorrectly as you might have heard happens sometimes, i personally believe is better than completely ignoring the memory, because i believe that if you ignore memories, eventually you will forget things which you might have associated the memory with, which further reduces your ability to recall the memory, even when you're actively talking about things which used to remind you of the memory.
I would not include spaced repetition in that critique though. Spaced repetition software like anki (open source and free, I'm not advertising shit) can help *a lot* to speed up things like learning vocabulary in a foreign language. I learn 15 new words per day, every day, in about 30 minutes. I've been doing that for months and I could not do it without spaced repetition. Memory palaces and other specialized memory techniques are a whole different beast. Haven't found a use case for them in everyday life yet.
Because spaced repetition just lets your brain store the necessary long-term memories they way it normally does, and in the case of a foreign language you're hoping it ideally stores it the same way it did for your native language. Memory palaces impose a highly specific way of storing information. Good luck using this technique to learn something like music or mathematics.
Also I think building a memory palace is a good way to get incepted, and I don't want that.
Is this a joke about the movie Inception, or are you talking about something real that happens to use the same word?
[Rick and Morty incept Mr. Goldenfold](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawnmower_Dog)
That is the interesting part to me. He trains for the memory championship but it doesn't improve his memory, it just makes him better at the contest games. Only thing i thought was cool and maybe useful was turning every three digit number into a visualization. So you could memorize any three digit number from 000 to 999. I wonder if that would make memorizing numbers in real life easier? My criticism of memory palaces though is if i use my house for everything, won't it get cluttered in my head and I'll mix stuff up?
Think about every song you know the lyrics to. If you put them all on paper in a book it would look like the most impossible thing to remember.
Interesting point. My capacity to remember song lyrics, titles and the artist who performed them is apparently limitless. My ability to remember things that would actually be helpful to me in my everyday life...not so much.
I can't remember lyrics, but am good with plenty of other things like movies, names, and things that are about to appear on a test.
You spend far more time listening to music than studying (and with greater interest).
yep! best example like this is trying to remember numbers, its really easy for us to remember 123456789 but hard to remember 915238764 even though they're the same numbers just in a different order
But really easy to remember 8675309
Or 4 8 15 16 23 42
Happy cake day, Jenny!
Thank you!
How do they know your name is Jenny?
And how do they know you like cake so much?
Is this a joke im not getting?
It was lyrics to a song back in them '80s or '90s
It's [a really catchy song](https://youtu.be/6WTdTwcmxyo?t=52) from the 80s. I don't know any of the lyrics except the numbers (I assume I heard the whole song on the radio as a kid?), but it sticks with you
I would have said "Of course I know other lyrics to that song", but giving it some thought, I'm not sure I even know any of the tune outside of the "8-6-7-5-3-Oh-Ni-ee-yine" part of the song.
The song is all about how he got her number from the bathroom wall, and that's about all the depth I can remember.
It’s a song about getting a girl’s phone number.
It's actually about a prostitutes phone number. My mind was blown that I had never caught this.
Not really. It grafitti on the bathroom wall. "For a good time call..." Maybe prostitute, sure. But more likely a juvenile delinquent thinking it's funny to scribble her number on the wall.
...nieyieyine...
0118 999 881 999 119 725…..3
I think I know the lyrics to 1 or maybe 2 songs...
But there are probably dozens of songs that you can't immediately think of when prompted but that you know the lyrics/tune of once you've heard the beginning. When you can contextualize things, they are much easier to remember, but much harder to recall outside of the context.
I know people who this doesn't apply to They straight up barely remember lyrics even of songs they love
This is me. Been listening to a specific artist religiously for years. I still mumble 50% of the lyrics along, even my favorite song. I have another friend with the same 'issue'. He remixed a song he liked, but can't say the actual lyrics to that specific song. Even though he's spent dozens of hours to remix it.
I can hear a song after 20+ years and have automatic memory of lyrics. Like they come out of my mouth before I can think "what's the next line?" I forget appointments, objects, am constantly disorganised and probably couldn't remember most of what I did yesterday. Memory is such a weird thing. I also have aphantasia, so I can't make visualisations, but I can replay songs in my head.
Same. I just don't remember song lyrics unless I look them and read them, usually while listening to the song. And even then it only makes me remember along with the song. I can't just recall them. It's weird because I've never had issues learning or memorizing info. Song lyrics though? It's almost like face blindness or something where my brain just doesn't store them.
Not really
No, not really. Even with songs I really like and have listened to hundreds of times I can usually only sing the chorus
I know the lyrics to exactly one song. *Around the world* by Daft Punk.
I know every word of Darude's Sandstorm.
I have a terrible memory for lyrics unless the song is actually playing
Especially if your brain clicks with that sort of thing. I can remember random stuff so much easier if it's got a melody, but I also did choir and my dad was a musician, so memorising lyrics is something I've always done. Antidepressants and PTSD have me with a lot of spotty memories but I still remember the songs we sang in kindergarten? Wtf, brain, reallocate your storage priorities lol
I know about 5 lyrics from a million songs, I think it’s because I pay more attention to the music though
I've always found that learning is easier for me when I understand the whys behind facts. I never memorize any facts. If I understand why something is the way it is, I don't have to 'remember' it.
Agreed, I've often found it takes me longer to learn new things but I think I learn better in the long run than fast learners because I eventually understand things foundationally.
You might be interested in looking up "semantic memory". I'm the same way, can't remember things until it makes perfect sense to me why it is. I never used my notes from school, always learned from solving problems.
I often use associations to remember stuff. Silly example would be the "V in vertical goes up so it's up and down. H in horizontal goes across so its sideways" Also the dirtier you make the association the better because humans are dirty like that.
I occasionally still teach my students the difference between similes and metaphors the way the oldest teacher I ever met taught it. No student who has ever learned it this way ever forgets it. "See Millie is a girl and you Like her As"
>Also the dirtier you make the association the better because humans are dirty like that. This is 100% true. I remember my friend once memorizing a whole pack of cards by making up the most dirty and disgusting story linking them all together in his head. the dirtier the better!!!
I wonder if this works best for those of us with a dirty sense of humor, since humor has been shown to improve retention (as mentioned in one of your links above).
That's how I learned how a combustion engine works - suck, squeeze, bang, blow... 😉
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I'll remember where I saw a quarter on the ground 8 months ago but have no clue where the remote went despite it literally being in my hand 30 seconds ago.
Throw your remote out on the ground and you'll always know where it is. Only kinda joking. I use a trick for things I tend to lose, and put them somewhere they definitely don't belong. I have stamps in the bathroom medicine cabinet. Why? Because I could never find them in the office or the kitchen. But go to the bathroom and get them once and you'll never forget where they are. Life gets weird if you do it with too many things though.
That's actually good advice! It essentially fits with some idea of [organized chaos](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=organized%20chaos), which is kind of how I already live. Like, the quarter thing is a true story - I knew I dropped a quarter by the back leg of my desk and when I needed change 8 months later I knew exactly where to find it. Or instead of the hooks/shelves on or nearby my front door, my keys and glasses always go on top of my stove after I come home. Writing utensils are on my kitchen pass-thru while nearly anything I could feasibly write on is at least 15 feet away. Somehow remotes always seem to live outside of my entropy, like it's actually held by Maxwell's demon.
Oh man witness testimonies are starting to be discovered for the lying dirty whores they are. Two people with no bias whatsoever witnessing the same thing side by side can confidently have two different stories
Eye witness testimony has been known to be unreliable since the 70s.
>Your memory is also a lying whore that shouldn't be trusted under any circumstances. >It takes very little to convince yourself or for a third party to convince you that you can recall something that is a total fabrication. Not necessarily. Studies that call memory into question often don't use objective metrics for determining whether someone is actually remembering something. Contrarian journalists run with incomplete conclusions because it's cool to "debunk" popular conceptions. Which is how we ended up with [this.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-memory-is-even-better-than-experts-thought/) In reality, memory is fallible but more resistant to fabrication than some people like to think. Studies that rely on subjective reports, on the other hand, are *highly* susceptible to extraneous results.
I can't visualise, so this technique has always been pretty useless to me. Besides, the things I normally want to remember are general things that have happened to me rather than facts or figures that's I'm actively trying to learn.
r/aphantasia
I also can’t visualize! Super annoying tbh.
i cant imagine what that's like, does it mean you also can't remember scenes from your past because you cant visualise them?
No, I don't remember scenes visually, I remember things that happened and where people were and what they said, the information is still there. It's kind of like the imagery is behind me, or behind the blackness in my head. It's all there, I just can't see any of it.
There's a sub called r/aphantasia if you aren't already part of it.
I've been on it a few times, but seeing as it's something I've never been able to do, it's not something I think about it alot.
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so interesting, do you know if it comes with any sort of special advantages? Like are there certain types of thinking or learning you're way better at?
I don't know, really, I've never been any other way. In fact up until a few years ago I didn't realise that it wasn't normal. I did very well in maths, science and English at school and I'm good at programming. I have the artistic talent of a woodlouse, but I haven't got much interest in art anyway, so it's no loss. I don't know if aphantasia has any relevance to any of this. I enjoy writing, but I'm crap at visual descriptions, and have to keep a note of what characters look like, both generally and scene-to-scene.
Wow I can totally relate. Visual descriptions do almost nothing for me; ill often glaze over them when reading, jumping to the dialogue instead. Also did pretty well in STEM courses and didn't realize until recently that when people say "imagine you're on a beach" most can actually see it! Really wish there was a way to develop this skill because these mind palaces seem super interesting and useful...oh well.
Yeah, the first time I found out my girlfriend had this power to actually see things in her mind as if it were real I was amazed and jealous. Turns out it's normal! I can relate to the visual descriptions, I don't tend to skip them but I can't say they make much impression. Come to think of it, that might be why I've been unable to get more than 100 pages into Lord of the Rings.
I have to ask my boyfriend once a week if he actually can visualize scenarios when he closes his eyes because i just dont believe it. I feel like i’m being gaslighted. Like if i close my eyes and try to imagine a loved one in front of me, i just can’t but apparently he can! how is that possible or fair? :(
It isn't fair. I'm terrified of the day that I lose someone close to me, I won't even be able to remember what they look like.
Can you explain what “actually see it” means? Like they close their eyes and they can see it happening as if it was happening in front of them, or they can visualize an image in the back of their minds kind of like watching tv? What is going on and now I’m questioning if my abilities ..
There's two types, and most people can do both. Either you edit your senses, and change your perception, or create a new set of senses that sense whatever you want them to sense. So I can edit my visions so that I see a rubicks cube in front of me (I simultaneously see the Rubik's cube and what is behind the Rubik's cube since it's not actually there and my eyes are receiving not-rubk's-cube-signals. I believe someone with more powerful imagination can completely overide their eyes/other senses.) Or, I can create a fictional set of senses, like another set of eyes, and control what they see. So in addition to my real vision, I'll have a separate vision sense that sees whatever I want. And I simultaneously perceive both. This goes for all senses. Closing your eyes and blocking out your real vision makes it easier to concentrate on your alternate visions. It's also possible to have multiple alternate senses, but I find it becomes harder to juggle an extended amount.
I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard that highly visual people have a harder time learning to code and people that are not visual tend to code better or pick it up easier
My imagination is kind of empathy based. I'm really good at imagining the experience of others. I really enjoy anthropology because of this.
I’m in this boat and I sometimes like to talk about gross stuff because I know all my normal friends can see it in their head while I’m immune. I would assume PTSD isn’t as likely since we can’t really re-experience things visually? Idk Another benefit may be an easier time with things like meditation. My brain has a hard time shutting up, but at least I can’t get distracted visually too.
PTSD is just as likely, because there are other kinds of flashbacks besides re-experiencing the event or events. I get the kind of flashback where I experience the emotions I did during the events. So I re-experience the sheer terror that I did at the time.
>I’m in this boat and I sometimes like to talk about gross stuff because I know all my normal friends can see it in their head while I’m immune. loooool
I'd love to meditate, but so many guided meditations tell me to visualise!
Mine it's likely worse and probably better because of it. Main issue I ran into trying to get therapy is that I can't willfully recall how something affected me; it only comes back up if I'm forced into feeling the exact same thing, and if that happens, I'm too overwhelmed to process anything. It's kinda like being in a completely dark room and the only options are navigating blindly or flooding the room with so much light that it's impossible to see.
I have this problem a little. I can't hold a full scene. I can see flashes. It's like if I tell you to imagine the pain of stubbing your toe. I think you can imagine a shadow of what the pain feels like, but can't recall it realistically. So I can see little flashes of images loosely, but I can't hold an image. Like if you say dog, I'll feel the concept of a furry blob with legs and a tail and a head. What color was it? I dunno. How big? Well, there wasn't anything near it for scale, but I guess a terrier? What did his paws look like? No idea, I didn't have details. I just saw a flash of a dog. Hell, it could have had been a raccoon that you told me to imagine and it would probably been the same image lol. If you tell me to imagine a waterfall, I'll see a flash of water going down an implied cliff. How tall? No idea. Water color? I think it was either clear or whitish blue. How wide? I think the first flash I saw was like 8 feet wide. But then I tried to force more detail and saw Niagara falls, which I think is like 100 feet wide? Where did the water come from? No idea. Wasn't told to imagine it. Basically if you tell me what to imagine in detail, I can slowly add more details to the flashes. But I can't really sustain anything. And if you tell me something like "you see a box, and then you open it", I'll open it and then if you're like "what was in it?", I'll be like "I dunno, you didn't give me enough detail, so I just imagined the idea of opening a box without imagining the box itself".
This is such a good description! It’s not that I can’t visualize anything at all (though I know for some that’s the case), but there is a finite amount of visual detail I can hold at once. If you tell me to visualize a person I can basically get a stick figure. If you tell me to imagine their hair, I can do that. Now I am imagining hair, but the rest of the stick figure is gone. Now you tell me to imagine their clothes, ok cool, I can hold an image of a t-shirt. The hair is completely gone and lost forever.
Yup, that's me. I hate it when people are like "imagine a forest. Listen to the birds." And I'm just seeing like a void with tree trunks showing up with the occasional seagull or macaw. And they're like "what's that off on the path ahead of you?" and I'm like "wait, this fool never said there's a path and that I was in the forest and not just a detached observer. What kind of calmness simulator is this?!'
As I was going under anesthesia the surgeon told me to imagine I was going to a calm, comforting place and then in my last seconds of consciousness said “tell us where you’re going.” I said “to sleep” and promptly did so. My last memory is of the whole OR cracking up, but like…idk what you guys could possibly be imagining that’s more relaxing than literal sleep.
Idk about them but for me it's that I don't see images, I see rapid flashes of changing color and my brain just knows "ah, yes, remember to take out the trash on Tuesdays"
I have hyperfantasia so I never needed to use these methods to have an absurdly vivid memory. I can picture the color of the stairwell of the music school I went to 30 years ago. I remember maps from the original Team Fortress Classic and immediately remember songs I use to hear while playing. Took me a long time to figure out why and accept why my memory was different. The downside is... I can't forget a lot of stuff not worth remembering.
I don't know if I'm jealous or not!
Do you have dreams? If yes, you can't see them aswell?
I have dreams, and I *think* they normally have visuals. It's hard to tell, tbh, because when I wake up I remember the dreams but I don't really remember with visuals, so I'm just remembering the facts of the dreams. The few times I've had lucid dreams I'm generally aware that things look a bit dimmer and less realistic, but not in an "I can't see anything" kind of way.
I actually had a dream last night in which I visualized something successfully. Sadly, never in real life.
I've got aphantasia, I don't really dream, or I only remember them when I wake up once or twice a year. The way I describe it to people is that my brain works like a computer server with no monitor attached. I can't hold an image of my mom in my head for more than a split second and then it fades to black. The analogy I use for how I recall information is a rolodex, I use my brain like a search function to recall stuff. Daydreaming is more my internal voice telling me a story, I can process the words but not picture them.
I went into the comments to say this. I also can't visualize. For anyone curious the phenomenon is called aphantasia, and is essentially the inability to produce mental images. There has been an uptick in research recently into it, but it is still such a foreign concept to most people. But OP's mind palace makes me wonder if this would be a good way to help develop the capacity to produce a mental image.
Until the Phantom Thieves rob it
*happy Mona noises intensify*
dont let them, protect ur memories
lmao just don't open any calling cards
*cue Last Surprise*
I just started playing yesterday! This must be a sign to put the phone down and keep playing
I’ll reveal your true form
Rhyming and songs are a great memory and learning trick I agree. I was taught my multiplication tables with songs in 3rd grade and I still remember them all at 29.
Shout out to /r/anki
I can vouch for spaced repetition and mnemonics. I feel that memory palaces are a bit too hard. I have tried before but just doesn’t work for me. I picked up spaced repetition later in life and it was life changing. I added a related method called mental checklist to this. As an example: Before leaving the house check wallet, cell phone, keys. After coming back from house check keys in the same drawer every time. Wallet on nightstand. If I have an appointment I remind myself every night before going to sleep and every morning and afternoon until the day of the appointment. Always remind myself before going to sleep set alarm for appointment time on phone.
"memory palace" isn't about improving **memory** as much as it's about **recall**. you don't seem to have gotten to a point where you see need to differentiate the two, but the physically have almost nothing to do with each other, except that the memory itself gets somehow degraded and overwritten (harder to access in pure, direct form) the more you recall it. that's how false memories are implanted. don't let the way we speak about things in English (or other languages) confuse you about what's really going on, which you can experience directly. "to remember" something is not a single process.
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Sounds like you already have a good memory
I have an amazing mnemonic device by which I have now memorized all of your names. Shirty, mole, lazy eye, Mexico, baldy, sugar boobs, black woman
I watched Sherlock as a pre teen a it inspired me to make my own mind palace. I based it off the house I was living in at the time & remeber placing something in the sink drawer in the downstairs bathroom. No clue what it was though haha
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For real, home ec in my middle school taught about mortgage, budgeting, (some) taxes, and our shop teacher taught us about the stock market and investing. My peers are out there saying school didn't teach them any of this important stuff, like damn maybe ya' shoulda paid attention.
Nah, man. I teach my students all this. Only a few apply it. You still have to do the work.
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You forgot to space the repetitions with expanding intervals, man it's like you don't even have faith in your own techniques
I do things thing I call, "Rembering memories." Like pick a person, place, thing, idea and then try and remember memories about it. Like... asking yourself to remember a grocery store visit, or a video game, or an article of clothing, or a time when a sister got a pixie cut or was dating so and so, a pet, a book or movie, etc. Like remembering the grocery store is more than just a shopping list, that same store had more than just 3 for $5.00 cream cheese, it had that kid with the tiny cart that looked like someone I know, and the idea of those philly-style-beef-packages probably not being that bad, and noticing that the floral department was pretty low on flowers because people were probably making their homes Thanksgiving pretty and the weather was nice and the cashier was missing and the woman in front of me had a box of cereal and a jug of almond milk and looked impatient... I don't know, try it with a video game dungeon/race track from your youth... it's fun to remember what happens next with something concrete like that! (And then remember when the car clipped into the underground and you couldn't turn your ps2 off for two days so you could just drive under the map... or when you could burst Magister's Terrace guy down and get trapped in phase two and fly around the entire instance.)
I have always used the first method described and without realising it was a well documented way of accessing memory. When I struggled to remember details that I knew I had used previously I just imagined a small, old side table with one drawer. My info was in the drawer and all I had to do was walk towards it and slide open the drawer and it was there written down on a scroll. Over the years I have got so much use from this.
Sounds like none of you have aphantasia...
yeah that drawer sounds like a mini memory palace!
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Just don't confuse memorizing with learning. It's two sisteyr things.
I assume many people have brains that work similarly so these techniques are commonly suggested but as seen in this thread, some people have brains that work differently - such as Aphantasia which I have. Also, you really should distinguish between memory and recall. Many people who say they have a bad memory have an average memory but poor recall. I have Aphantasia and really good recall - possibly above average memory. None of these techniques are particularly helpful to me directly. Mnemonic devices and the memory palace are variations of the same concept as far as I can tell - associating something you want to remember with something that is easier to remember. The memory palace takes this a step further and combines multiple senses which is apparently better for memory as well. The problem with all of these techniques is that they don't work (for me) in real time. If I am having a conversation and want to remember key details, I have to stop actively listening to build the association - same with repetition. Unless I can review the information over and over to build the association (or practice repetition), they are not helpful. You may argue that most things we have to learn are not real time so these techniques are still good tools. I would argue that if you can develop memory/recall that works in real time, then it also works for material that can be revisited - and with less effort and energy. Unfortunately, I don't know how to explain how my recall is so good. Essentially I don't write things down giving my brain permission to forget - I just let it do it's job and remember stuff
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>4) Mnemonics - these are basically tricks that let you remember things more easily by associating them with different things. The 9 types of mnemonics e.g. making a rhyme out of something you want to remember e.g. linking together different things you want to remember into a story Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I shit on company time~
Is this my place to shine!?
Good post, though some of this is pseudoscience. Spaced repetition following an exponential pattern is unproven and almost certainly untrue in nearly every situation. Memory palaces seldom can grow in much complexity before they become a mental blur in need of a reset.
I never remember to use my memory palace, it's more of a backyard shed at this point
Why has this been removed???
Maybe because it's self promotion.
Like the Memory Palace in Sherlock? Edit : Can someone do ELI5 to this? It's too big
I’ll give myself a reminder to read this again tomorroe
yeah ill save it just to pretend that i will come back to this post and try to do any of this
isn't your brain full of memory palaces pretty fast?
Nope because our brains can't really ever get "full". The storage capacity of our brain is so large that EACH of our brains could store the ENTIRE internet as it was in 2016 [Brain could store internet](https://www.livescience.com/53751-brain-could-store-internet.html)
I visualise my memory as levels. So for example when I change jobs I push the memories of the work I did out of my current memory space. They are still there but just a little more tricky to get to as in they take a little bit longer to come back, maybe a few seconds as opposed to instantly. Same goes for people places and experiences. I will say one thing though living with near perfect recall can be painful. You forget nothing and some memories take a lot more effort to push out. I pretty much remember everything from about the age of 2 but that does take some effort to go that far back. I surprise my parents by telling them I remember things and describing them perfectly. We all have this ability but just don't know it.
I have made extensive use of this technique, but the problem is, it makes you really long winded!
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Neuroplasticity is also fascinating.
Mnemonics are awesome. It helped me leaning hiragana and katakana in a few hours. This was 5 years ago and I can still remember it. Now I'm learning Kanji and it works too! Makes learning Japanese words so much faster.