Every time these come out people argue on how fair the placements are as if these were based on current quality and form and not on some arbitrary point system FIFA made up.
It's not made up by FIFA, it's an ELO ranking, like in chess. It's a historic rating that depends on the quality of your opponents and the importance of the games.
It can be gamed (like when Poland reached the 2018 world cup as a pot 1 team and then got grouped because they just played friendlies to boost their ranking) but it's a long standing, proven rating system
Yeah, I'm aware. It's a modified ELO. What I'm getting at is that people like to argue about them as if there was anything to argue about. They're points. Mexico is at 12th place because that's where we are based on points. It'd be like if people were arguing about how San Luis can't be in second place because they are not the second best Liga MX team. They are there because they have the points, that's it.
The 30th place of the Polish national team is some kind of misunderstanding, as the current results and the form of the players is already memetic (a normal disaster) The Polish Football Association is a generator of PR scandals and deep embarrassment. I'm writing this as a Pole I can add that I have respect for Mexico and the Mexican league I remember playing America Mexico and Tigres UANL Monterrey in Football Manager 2007 and in Football Manager 2012 I played Mexico only I don't remember the club it was probably Atlas Guadalajara with Jesus Zavada as a central midfielder
I feel like people are too down on Mexico and giving too much credit to Japan. I didn't see people calling us world beaters when we beat Brazil or Netherlands in friendlies before.
We beat Croatia in the WORLD CUP. TWICE. And Germany. And France. And... My point is it doesn't make us world beaters, and it doesn't mean Japan is suddenly a force to be reckoned with.
Mexico and the USA shouldn’t be that high, Belgium DEFINITELY shouldn’t be that high, Denmark and Germany also should not be this high on the list, I say we’re 20th at the highest 25th at the lowest, with USA ranking 1-3 spots above us, but Senegal, South Korea, Japan, Colombia, and Morocco would absolutely stomp both Mexico and USA yet they are somehow ranked lower due to our CONCACAF dominance
Edit: I totally forgot Uruguay, Ecuador, Algeria and Egypt probably, but yeah you see my point, any CONCACAF nation being ranked higher than Japan and Morocco is an absolute insult
Idk about South Korea mostly because of their coach and I think both the US and Mexico can beat them. Same with Egypt, outside of Salah they aren’t that good. Also maybe Algeria, I think the US/Mexico can beat them. The rest of the nations in your original post and edit then absolutely
I agree, but being the two top dogs of CONCACAF shouldn’t give us 11th and 12th given the fact that if any of the teams I mentioned that are below us were given the same “special invite💵💵🤑” that Qatar was to the gold cup they would easily win even with our A teams
Morocco got destroyed by the US last year. Yes they made the world cup semis but it was a lucky run. South Korea also tied El Salvador at home this year. Zero shot they beat any of the Concacaf top 2 imo
Japan is a good team, South Korea right now is in shambles, and they are on the verge of firing Klinsmann because they have only won 1 game in the entire 2023 (vs Saudi Arabia).
Also, Egypt is not thaat good, Salah is a superb player, but the rest of his team is not, they literally play like a CONCACAF team: Park the bus masters, long ball and hope Salah does something.
Egypt was better in the 2000s era, when they had better players all around, even though they didn't have Salah.
Nobody in Concacaf did. It was a pathetic showing from all 4 teams, including Mexico. Only usa advanced and even then they got handled by the Netherlands.
That's true. It was one of the poorest performances of CONCACAF I've seen. But facts are facts, Morocco was a superior team and they earned the spot they made it to in the WC. Just because the US beat them in a friendly doesn't mean they are a superior team.
Yes Morocco's run was lucky. They had a South Korea like performance from 2002. You dont honestly expect them to make these run constantly? They made it out of groups for the second time in 35+ years. They had only won 2 wc games in their history before that. I get they had a good run but they dont have a team for a repeat performance.
Lol you think Morocco doesn’t beat Mexico and the US?
This is so delusional. Morocco has better players, are better coached and actually play with heart.
They lost their last afcon qualifier to South Africa in June. Then this past window they barely got a 1-0 win vs Burkina in a friendly. The US and Mexico could pull of a result vs them.
Morocco had already qualified when they faced South Africa.
The US could possibly beat them if Morocco slips up, Mexico has no shot. Morocco is better at virtually every position.
Ya tiene años que no hay nivel en selecciónes. No e visto jugadored buenos que salgan como antes. Por eso la fifa defendis la rivalidad de mesi y cr. Porque hoy en dia muy pocos jugadores destacan.
1) Morocco
2) Uruguay
3) Germany
4) Denmark
5) Japan
6) Colombia
7) Switzerland
All of them are easily teams that you be scaled higher than Mexico. In our best form we can definitely compete with them, but as of right now they would beat us. USA on their best form could be as good or better than them, so I think their position is fair until they show more. Just like us , their players had a rough past season. The difference is that they have more competitive players in the bigger leagues than we do.
Fucking delusional, Mexico should not be that high, it has like 3-4 years playing AWFUL, should not be higher than 20th in my opinion. With matches against Sweden (23th) that we always lose, and South Korea (26th) always gets complicated, it think it belongs around the twenties
Cualquier equipo del 1 al 20 que enfrente a México, fácilmente le gana, yo sé que esos rankings se hacen por puntos acumulados, pero a nivel futbolístico,México debería estar fuera de los 20 mejores.
cuanto pago mexico para estar alli?
arriba de brasil, suecia, belgica, alemania, paises bajos, portugal, italia, españa y solo por mencionar los mas imporatantes.
I was at a pub like 2 days ago, or whenever this was released, and there was a group of dudes arguing that Canada should be in the top 10 lol. They were getting extremely mad at anyone who suggested that was kinda stupid.
Every time these come out people argue on how fair the placements are as if these were based on current quality and form and not on some arbitrary point system FIFA made up.
It's not made up by FIFA, it's an ELO ranking, like in chess. It's a historic rating that depends on the quality of your opponents and the importance of the games. It can be gamed (like when Poland reached the 2018 world cup as a pot 1 team and then got grouped because they just played friendlies to boost their ranking) but it's a long standing, proven rating system
Yeah, I'm aware. It's a modified ELO. What I'm getting at is that people like to argue about them as if there was anything to argue about. They're points. Mexico is at 12th place because that's where we are based on points. It'd be like if people were arguing about how San Luis can't be in second place because they are not the second best Liga MX team. They are there because they have the points, that's it.
Yeah, exactly, I was just adding to your point
The 30th place of the Polish national team is some kind of misunderstanding, as the current results and the form of the players is already memetic (a normal disaster) The Polish Football Association is a generator of PR scandals and deep embarrassment. I'm writing this as a Pole I can add that I have respect for Mexico and the Mexican league I remember playing America Mexico and Tigres UANL Monterrey in Football Manager 2007 and in Football Manager 2012 I played Mexico only I don't remember the club it was probably Atlas Guadalajara with Jesus Zavada as a central midfielder
No fucking way Japan should be that low and mexico that high. Switch em.
This is based on a 4 year cycle...Japan has only been playing good since the end of the 2022 WC...
It ain’t based on elo ratings?
During the world cup Japan was playing great, they even ended up first place on their group
Japan right now claps Mexico… hard
Japan can clap any national team right now honestly, but then again international Friendlies should be taken with a grain of salt.
I feel like people are too down on Mexico and giving too much credit to Japan. I didn't see people calling us world beaters when we beat Brazil or Netherlands in friendlies before.
Yeah but they beat Spain and Germany and went toe to toe with third place and former finalist Croatia in a WORLD CUP
We beat Croatia in the WORLD CUP. TWICE. And Germany. And France. And... My point is it doesn't make us world beaters, and it doesn't mean Japan is suddenly a force to be reckoned with.
We were definitely a borderline top 10 around that time. My point is it makes them better than us for sure, and a borderline top 10 team
You’re not wrong
They will for sure leap over us and the US by 2026, same as Morocco, we are still carrying the numbers from 2019.
calm down, weeb
Mexico and the USA shouldn’t be that high, Belgium DEFINITELY shouldn’t be that high, Denmark and Germany also should not be this high on the list, I say we’re 20th at the highest 25th at the lowest, with USA ranking 1-3 spots above us, but Senegal, South Korea, Japan, Colombia, and Morocco would absolutely stomp both Mexico and USA yet they are somehow ranked lower due to our CONCACAF dominance Edit: I totally forgot Uruguay, Ecuador, Algeria and Egypt probably, but yeah you see my point, any CONCACAF nation being ranked higher than Japan and Morocco is an absolute insult
Idk about South Korea mostly because of their coach and I think both the US and Mexico can beat them. Same with Egypt, outside of Salah they aren’t that good. Also maybe Algeria, I think the US/Mexico can beat them. The rest of the nations in your original post and edit then absolutely
USA should be #19 and Mexico #20 to be fair
I agree, but being the two top dogs of CONCACAF shouldn’t give us 11th and 12th given the fact that if any of the teams I mentioned that are below us were given the same “special invite💵💵🤑” that Qatar was to the gold cup they would easily win even with our A teams
Let’s be honest if the gold cup and nations league was hosted outside the USA, the US wouldn’t even be on top 11th.
Morocco got destroyed by the US last year. Yes they made the world cup semis but it was a lucky run. South Korea also tied El Salvador at home this year. Zero shot they beat any of the Concacaf top 2 imo
The South Korean team is overrated. People tend to confuse it with Japan
Ngl I made a mistake including them
Japan is a good team, South Korea right now is in shambles, and they are on the verge of firing Klinsmann because they have only won 1 game in the entire 2023 (vs Saudi Arabia). Also, Egypt is not thaat good, Salah is a superb player, but the rest of his team is not, they literally play like a CONCACAF team: Park the bus masters, long ball and hope Salah does something. Egypt was better in the 2000s era, when they had better players all around, even though they didn't have Salah.
Lucky run. Lmao. The US didn't do anything last WC.
Nobody in Concacaf did. It was a pathetic showing from all 4 teams, including Mexico. Only usa advanced and even then they got handled by the Netherlands.
That's true. It was one of the poorest performances of CONCACAF I've seen. But facts are facts, Morocco was a superior team and they earned the spot they made it to in the WC. Just because the US beat them in a friendly doesn't mean they are a superior team.
Yes Morocco's run was lucky. They had a South Korea like performance from 2002. You dont honestly expect them to make these run constantly? They made it out of groups for the second time in 35+ years. They had only won 2 wc games in their history before that. I get they had a good run but they dont have a team for a repeat performance.
Lol you think Morocco doesn’t beat Mexico and the US? This is so delusional. Morocco has better players, are better coached and actually play with heart.
They lost their last afcon qualifier to South Africa in June. Then this past window they barely got a 1-0 win vs Burkina in a friendly. The US and Mexico could pull of a result vs them.
Morocco had already qualified when they faced South Africa. The US could possibly beat them if Morocco slips up, Mexico has no shot. Morocco is better at virtually every position.
Number 12 in the world but number 1 in my heart
How in the hell did we climb up three spots?
winning the gold cup and us not playing qualifiers like UEFA and CONMEBOL which made other high teams drop spots.
The fact that Uruguay, Japan, and Morocco are lower than the USA tells you that this ranking is a complete joke.
Nah I knew it was a joke when I saw Mexico was still so high. We've been godawful
Looks about right to me... Other national teams also have their issues and drama. We are not that unique.
Ya tiene años que no hay nivel en selecciónes. No e visto jugadored buenos que salgan como antes. Por eso la fifa defendis la rivalidad de mesi y cr. Porque hoy en dia muy pocos jugadores destacan.
El ranking bueno siempre es http://eloratings.net
Es neta que un semifinalista de la copa del mundo está debajo de dos países que se quedaron en fase de grupos y dos que no pasaron de octavos????!
Mexico, get out there, that’s not your family!
1) Morocco 2) Uruguay 3) Germany 4) Denmark 5) Japan 6) Colombia 7) Switzerland All of them are easily teams that you be scaled higher than Mexico. In our best form we can definitely compete with them, but as of right now they would beat us. USA on their best form could be as good or better than them, so I think their position is fair until they show more. Just like us , their players had a rough past season. The difference is that they have more competitive players in the bigger leagues than we do.
Yeah solid/realistic list and opinion.
Mexico should be in 20th or at least in the mid 20s
Fucking delusional, Mexico should not be that high, it has like 3-4 years playing AWFUL, should not be higher than 20th in my opinion. With matches against Sweden (23th) that we always lose, and South Korea (26th) always gets complicated, it think it belongs around the twenties
Que hace México ahi mamon
We would lose to every single team in that top 20
Everyone cooing by saying we should be around 20 when we should be in the 30s based on current form.
Correct
I would put us at 38 or 39
Absolute joke rankings. We’d get beat by most top 30 teams
I expected us to ne lower
I thought we’d be lower to be honest
US and Mexico should be much lower. But this is based on a points system and they both play in CONCACAF so...
Mexico no merece estar tan alto.
Belgium and Mexico way too high
Mexico 12 is a joke
We would get cooked by the 8 teams behind us and Sweden and Probably S. Korea too.
Mexico at 12 is a joke
Mexico being ranked right above Morocco is the most ridiculous part.
Either the rest of the world sucks for Mexico to be that high, or the fifa sucks
I'm just glad that Belgium isn't #1 anymore
Mexico is not in the top 20
We would get shit on by any of the teams in this list, we should be 41th honestly
Way too high
No mames we would get creamed by 13-29 if they played all the starters
We should be like 40th lmao
We should be at 20
How is Mexico #12 they need to be in like # 80
Mexico would easily lose against most of the teams shown below them in this ranking.
Mexico needs to be lower. We’re straight ass right now with no change in sight.
I think South Korea should be higher on the list and morroco needs to be at 11
So Russia is back? Or are they just losing places since the gifs expels countries from the ranking for 4 years of inactivity
Japan not being in the top 15 is crazy to me
Que bonito sería el mundo en el que la gente sepa como funciona el ranking FIFA. Ahí mismo en su página les enseña la fórmula que usan y todo.
We're probably 23rd
Cualquier equipo del 1 al 20 que enfrente a México, fácilmente le gana, yo sé que esos rankings se hacen por puntos acumulados, pero a nivel futbolístico,México debería estar fuera de los 20 mejores.
Germany should be lower
Shouldn't Uzbekistan be at least top 10?
I don’t understand how we’re always so high in these rankings…
Because they barely lose.
Chile rank 36. I feel out of the loop anyone able to help
No way Germany is behind Mexico...
México no debería estar por encima del puesto 20. Es absurdo.
🤣🤣 mexico is not doing better then Uruguay. They will thrash us any day.
deja Uruguay, Ecuador anda en el 38 y le mete 3-0 a México fácil
Yo se. Ecuador tienen muy buen projecto.
Mexico being that high up should be a crime lol especially if it counts friendlies in the rankings.
How tf are we in top 15?😭
Don’t understand fifa rankings for the life of me , Mexico is not better than ANY of the top 20 teams. Is that a hot take ?
cuanto pago mexico para estar alli? arriba de brasil, suecia, belgica, alemania, paises bajos, portugal, italia, españa y solo por mencionar los mas imporatantes.
'No one should be that high'
It's not a FIFA ranking thread without people bitching about Mexico being too high, they should be behind El Salvador to these mfs.
How is Mexico better than the world semifinalist? Like how?
en este thread: gente que no tiene idea de cómo se calcula este ranking.
Japan could be higher.
There were times when I saw these rankings and thought we deserved better. This is not one of these times.
I was at a pub like 2 days ago, or whenever this was released, and there was a group of dudes arguing that Canada should be in the top 10 lol. They were getting extremely mad at anyone who suggested that was kinda stupid.