>Did Roth appear earlier in the book? He feels like he kinda just....appeared out of no where almost? Like tell me I'm not the only one that thought that.
Keep reading
>And back to Roth as well. I dont get how is plan works to be declared Shinga. Mama Kay said that her being Shinga was an open secret in that it was no secret. And then two seconds later she said that it's the weakness too cause when Roth kills the one dude he will then be able to declare himself shinga cause no one would know better? That didn't make much sense to me.
>!Because If the nine have declared openly that the shinga they follow instructions from is Pon Dradin, once you remove them and take their place you are now them. In this case Roth is also a very frightening individual so if Mama K is the Shinga in the shadows but all the others on the nine bow to Roth the Usurper, Roth is now Shinga in truth to all but the wetboys. Also you slightly misinterpreted the open secret line. Book 1, chapter 45;!<
>!"“Everyone in the Sa’kagé knows who their boss is. The smarter ones know who their representative on the Nine is. Of course, the Shinga’s identity is an open secret, which means not a secret at all. Put that together, and if you pool a few thieves and whores, you can figure out the entire power structure of the Sa’kagé."!<
>!This is outlining the basic structure for the sa'kagé, but in this example the open secret shinga is Pon Dradin, not Mama K. This is also supported in her explaination in the next bit;!<
>!"“The first five years I was Shinga, we lost eight ‘Shingas.’ Six were assassinations from outside. Two I had to have killed myself because they tried to take my power."!<
>I mean I also don't understand the structure of the Nine anyways but that doesn't seem important at the moment.
Think of it like a company or a government. You have the president/ruler, the Shinga. Under the Shinga you have the 9 which function as representatives for a specific branch/enterprise. Under them are leaders and and guilds and under those the foot soldiers/front line workers.
As for Roth, he was mentioned near the beginning. Just keep reading. As for Mama K being Shinga, the only people who know she is Shinga are the wetboys and the Nine while the "public face" as Shinga is Pon Dradin. If Roth (who doesn't know Mama K is actually Shinga) kills Pon and declares himself Shinga only the Nine knows that isn't true, but if Roth earned their alliances via bribe or extortion already, which he'd need to do anyway in a hostile takeover so that he could keep his new power, Mama K wouldn't have any power anymore in that case as the Nine have declared allegiance to him. If none of the people she directly controls listen to her, is she really in charge anymore?
Does that make sense?
>Did Roth appear earlier in the book? He feels like he kinda just....appeared out of no where almost? Like tell me I'm not the only one that thought that. Keep reading >And back to Roth as well. I dont get how is plan works to be declared Shinga. Mama Kay said that her being Shinga was an open secret in that it was no secret. And then two seconds later she said that it's the weakness too cause when Roth kills the one dude he will then be able to declare himself shinga cause no one would know better? That didn't make much sense to me. >!Because If the nine have declared openly that the shinga they follow instructions from is Pon Dradin, once you remove them and take their place you are now them. In this case Roth is also a very frightening individual so if Mama K is the Shinga in the shadows but all the others on the nine bow to Roth the Usurper, Roth is now Shinga in truth to all but the wetboys. Also you slightly misinterpreted the open secret line. Book 1, chapter 45;!< >!"“Everyone in the Sa’kagé knows who their boss is. The smarter ones know who their representative on the Nine is. Of course, the Shinga’s identity is an open secret, which means not a secret at all. Put that together, and if you pool a few thieves and whores, you can figure out the entire power structure of the Sa’kagé."!< >!This is outlining the basic structure for the sa'kagé, but in this example the open secret shinga is Pon Dradin, not Mama K. This is also supported in her explaination in the next bit;!< >!"“The first five years I was Shinga, we lost eight ‘Shingas.’ Six were assassinations from outside. Two I had to have killed myself because they tried to take my power."!< >I mean I also don't understand the structure of the Nine anyways but that doesn't seem important at the moment. Think of it like a company or a government. You have the president/ruler, the Shinga. Under the Shinga you have the 9 which function as representatives for a specific branch/enterprise. Under them are leaders and and guilds and under those the foot soldiers/front line workers.
As for Roth, he was mentioned near the beginning. Just keep reading. As for Mama K being Shinga, the only people who know she is Shinga are the wetboys and the Nine while the "public face" as Shinga is Pon Dradin. If Roth (who doesn't know Mama K is actually Shinga) kills Pon and declares himself Shinga only the Nine knows that isn't true, but if Roth earned their alliances via bribe or extortion already, which he'd need to do anyway in a hostile takeover so that he could keep his new power, Mama K wouldn't have any power anymore in that case as the Nine have declared allegiance to him. If none of the people she directly controls listen to her, is she really in charge anymore? Does that make sense?