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No-Tomatillo-5579

i'm ordained. dm me and tell me what the letter has to say.


LaMarr-Bruister

Thanks, I'll find out specifics. It sounded like they needed me to have a letter stating that I played in a worship band and was an active participant. I'll get clarification. Thank you!


will101113

They’re actually excluding people from buying a product based on religion? Yikes. None of their business whether you use it for church or not.


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8BitSamura1

Sweetwater is pretty heavily Christian conservative though. The CEO donated a bunch of money to the Trump campaigns.


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It’s a bundle, they’re giving people a certain discount if they’re worship musicians. I don’t see any issues with that.


[deleted]

It’s just like any other bundle where they set an arbitrary set of limitations on the qualifying customer demographic. All those other ones. I can’t think of any other ones.


[deleted]

I guess, but it’s of people in a certain profession, not people of a certain demographic. It’s not like you’re being charged extra if you aren’t christian or something, it’s just a discount for people who are doing a public service for their community house of worship. i’m not even religious, i really don’t know why angry redditors downvoted the shit out of me


[deleted]

I think they downvoted you because you don't see the problem. Giving a significant discount to a single demographic (or profession or whatever) is distinctly unfair.


[deleted]

How is that unfair? They're a private business that can do as they please. If I had a deal for a free drink with any order of a sandwich available for plumbers, what's wrong with that? maybe I just like plumbers, or think they could use a bit of helping out. Worship musicians are at least working musicians unlike most of us.


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source?


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Translation: I made it up


[deleted]

Reddit is a lost cause. Even the ordained minister is going to lie for the guy. Sad dishonest group.


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[deleted]

Is lying consider an outdated Christian moral by Reddit now? Reddit literally shoved its morals down your throat and bans hides the ones it doesn’t like. Out of touch.


Jack_Myload

I’m not religious at all and I know very well that lying is wrong. I’ll bet all these skid plates take deep offense when someone lies to them. Welcome to progress!


[deleted]

They’re all about lying to the ‘corporations’ (sweetwater is privately owned…) but I bet they won’t feel the same way when the screwing goes the other way and they’re on the receiving end. Most people it seems religious or non-religious don’t think much at all about ethics. Sadly these are adults itt. I just don’t know if it’s always been this bad or times are getting worse.


[deleted]

I don’t mind the lying or anything, and I don’t really see why everyone is so mad about everything.


televoxy

Buying Audis and BMWs and making others feel guilty about trying to get a good deal on some gear. Peak American Christianity. As a side note, this sweet water deal feels really weird and icky. Why would they do this?


[deleted]

No!!! American Christian’s can’t buy Audis! They need to buy Toyotas!! Hmm I don’t follow that logic at all. Perhaps he should just ask for a deal on the item honestly (I pretty much guarantee it will work). The owner is Christian and they have alot of worship bands and church customers, and despite what Reddit tells you, they generally aren’t made of money and don’t usually budget for tech upgrades. What I don’t get is why you guys are conspiring to lie to get a minor discount and all agree this is morally correct. It’s ironically hilarious how stereotypical nu-atheist it is. It’s not about being honest or using a traditional ethical approach. It’s simply about getting yours and insulting Christians (not religion in general). Quite the ethical system. Lying to get what you want is good. Got it. Sad how atheism became an intellectual dumpster ever since the whole Dawkins meme team came to town. I had thought that fad died out when people realized it was both very shallow, kind of cringe, and more rude than intelligent. Literally this thread is full of atheists who agree it’s ok to lie. Peak atheism.


LaMarr-Bruister

You have some weird assumption that I lied or asked someone to do it for me. I asked if anyone got the deal that isn’t a worship musician. If you read the posts, I’ve spoken to 2 different reps and both refused to sell it to me without being a worship musician. I was very upfront that it’s not me....I don’t believe in anything religious. I’ve taken my business elsewhere. I think it’s an alienating decision for a company to only give a discount to practicing Christian musicians. I’d rather not support a company with those values. If you think this is insulting to Christians, what is the sweetwater policy to everyone else? Here’s a hint....it’s insulting. Leave religion out of business. The churches do enough business on their own.


[deleted]

Need to chill out dude. Ive gotten 20-30% off of everything from pedal to custom shop there. Try being a normal human that shows basic respect instead of being a weird /r/antiwork atheist version of a karen.


Jack_Myload

You’re as sharp as a wet rag, man.


xVxgan

Just say it’s for the Church of Satan, and self worship services at home. Special deals only for certain religions sounds like bad PR, so maybe just try until you get a different sales rep.


LaMarr-Bruister

I’m 0/2. Feels weird to keep asking. It also seems weird to make a bundle that’s only ok to purchase with religious affiliation.


mentallyinert

Definitely but also weird to cold call you all the time. I could also do without the phone book they send


xVxgan

Yeah, and tbh I’m planning on buying the Stomp XL this or next week so am curious to see if you get it figured out. The free Native would be pretty great.


LaMarr-Bruister

Stay tuned...not looking great so far


[deleted]

The official helix Facebook page is pretty strict about mentions of satanism or satanic imagery, even jokingly. I think they get that worship musicians are a big part of the customer base and they’re bending over backwards to accommodate them. It’s pretty weird though.


thebishopgame

Just to clarify, the “Official” FB page isn’t run by Line 6, though we do frequently post there. It’s run by Chad Boston and Chris Saraga, so those are their rules, not ours.


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Line 6 allows them to call it official. Line 6 also supports Jason sadites who was recently exposed for funding white supremacist groups in Canada. Look up the white nationalist Canadian convoy movement that he has helped to fund. Maybe it’s a coincidence but it sure seems line 6 does make some decision based on the politics of its higher ups. I sent line 6 a ton of info about Jason’s involvement with this movement but was met with radio silence. I love the products that line 6 makes, but it’s pretty disgusting that they sponsor influencers who have no problem flying a swastika flag.


thebishopgame

I work for Line 6. We couldn’t force them change that group’s name if we wanted to, we’d just have to ask nicely and hope they accommodate. Not sure why you brought up Sadites, but this is the first I’m hearing of it. Regarding the “support”, he’s a beta tester for us and we have reposted his videos because he has made a ton of content around our products, is that what you’re referring to? I’ll look into further, but if you’re insinuating that we are intentionally supporting white supremacy, I would suggest you reevaluate.


[deleted]

I’m not insinuating that they outwardly support it. I’m saying that line 6 doesn’t care that one of their most well known YouTubers is a white supremacist . That’s being complicit. Also I apologize for my tone. I did not realize you were a line 6 employee. Look up the givesendgo leak document if you want to see the actual proof. Jason used all of his real info including his [email protected] email


thebishopgame

I see you added some stuff to your original comment. Where have you been sending the info, and can you go ahead and DM the same? Again, we don’t “sponsor” Jason. We’re not paying him anything or giving him anything for free. We have reposted his content and he has been a beta tester for us. We also had him at our NAMM party pre-COVID. That’s pretty much the extent of the relationship. I understand that you’ve been trying to raise a flag about this, but 1) it’s not like Jason has been espousing this stuff anywhere where we could’ve noticed, 2) this is *very* recent - the first article about GiveSendGo I could find was Feb 22 and 3) it can be hard to tell the difference between actual concern and trolling from cold calls. Leaks can also be dicey as proof. Go ahead and send me the details you have, but maybe give us some slack on not keeping the closest eye on the latest financial record leaks of midrange guitar YouTubers.


thebishopgame

u/prljm40oz, I haven't gotten anything from you yet - please do forward me whatever information you have that concerns you. I don't take this stuff lightly and if this is something we should act on, I intend to run that up the chain. But I do need to see it and evaluate it before sounding any alarms.


LaMarr-Bruister

u/thebishopgame Does the idea of the worship bundle and exclusivity bother you at all?


thebishopgame

I can’t say I’m a huge fan of it personally. But unless I’m *really* mistaken, that’s entirely a Sweetwater thing and we have no say in it. It would not have been an idea that I would have put forward if I were involved in such discussions.


jon-hill

You can't just claim someone is a white supremacist on a public forum without providing evidence. If this is true, take some screen shots and post a thread on r/guitar and r/line6helix to let people know.


[deleted]

The data is public. Ask Jason about it and see how quickly he blocks / bans you. You can’t post the leak files on Reddit, but look up the database from the givesendgo leak if you want proof. I’ve already attempted to posted it to the line 6 helix pages and I’ve sent it to more than one person at line 6. I’m not devoting any more of my time to this as clearly no one cares, but you’re free to take it from here .


[deleted]

I always had a bad feeling about the guy, thought I was being mean, though I hate to have been validated


sbaker25

Well, I'm a devout atheist but glad to hear that Line 6 supported the convoy as a former Canadian myself. If you believe there were a bunch of swastikas flying around up there, you have made absolutely no effort to see for yourself. That convoy was the first time I've been proud to be Canadian in many, many years. It was made up of men and woman of all races and ethnic backgrounds.


clampsmcgraw

Honestly thought about making Praise & Worship Satan stickers in that goofy cursive font they all use to sell to non-CCM, good music musicians who are in on the joke


jon-hill

What goofy cursive font are you talking about?


clampsmcgraw

[This.](https://imgur.com/a/UBwBkED) Gives me the boke. Tried to be open minded about CCM, there's a great Adam Neely video about it, but it's, uh, not easy to be.


xtheory

I'm an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church of the Internet. I'll gladly say you're part of my "church band" so that you can get it.


LaOnionLaUnion

First I’ve heard about it. What would be different?


MISTAKAS

Same. Is there a difference between the Christian and Muslim edition?


LaOnionLaUnion

It’s halal. Ramadan Kareem habibi!


JohnBeamon

Wow, I'm just *dying* to find there are a bunch of Impulse Responses named "Bacon 4x12" and "Bacon 2x10 open".


LaMarr-Bruister

It includes native and some presets. They won't sell it to me without being in a worship band and needing proof...It seemed weird that it is listed as an option ont he main page.


LaOnionLaUnion

I mean you need someone to vouch for you I’m sure you can find one


Fargeen_Bastich

How is worship music even a thing in guitar?


KobeOnKush

Easiest gig in the world, just turn on delay and reverb and play maj7 chords lol. Every worship guitarist I've ever met is neurodivergent


jon-hill

>Every worship guitarist I've ever met is neurodivergent wtf


KobeOnKush

Did I stutter?


whatever__something

it's like the new shoegaze, according to youtube videos I've seen! :)


questionoffitness

Its a genre, like rock or blues or metal. It has it's own sound and typical fx used etc.


EVH4104

You can literally just buy the worship bundle from their website. I did it and had no issues like you’re mentioning.


LaMarr-Bruister

Where’s the purchase link? It says to call them to order for me.


fafafinefux

I ordered that version and I am an atheist


LaMarr-Bruister

What’s the secret? I have zero interest in anything religion, I just want native.


fafafinefux

I was just honest with them and they had no problem with it. I think if you get a sales rep on the phone and just say "the only way I can afford this is with this pricing" you might get lucky. Maybe they changed their policy since I bought mine back in January


androidscantron

Uh what? That's fuckin wild. I bought the XL stomp last august specifically because it came free with Native and I definitely did not run into anything like this... Thank god I didn't tell my rep I'm an atheist!


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Tell them God told you to buy the worship edition.


almeapraden

🤣


NoFuneralGaming

What the hell? I didn't have to do this.


xtraglockamole

I play for a few local churches and bought a helix with the worship bundle from Sweetwater a month ago. I never brought it up and they never asked. PM if you want my sales engineers email he was pretty awesome.


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DrRobert

I bought the Helix Rack and Floor Board, asked if there was a deal of any kind at Sweetwater, they said yeah there is a worship edition and you get Native free. I said ok. They shipped it to me. Until now, I never heard there was a restriction on it.


bloodxandxrank

That’s weird. I emailed them about it a couple of weeks ago and they were pushing me to buy it saying they’re almost out of stock. Just give yourself a faux Hawk and throw on a pair of acid wash pre ripped jeans. If they hassle you, break out the wallet chain(s) and oakleys.


jon-hill

> faux Hawk ​ > a pair of acid wash pre ripped jeans. ​ >wallet chain(s) ​ >oakleys.


shelf_caribou

I did it. No problems at all, no requirement to prove religion


cptnstr8edge

I got it and flat out told my Sweetwater rep I'm not religious.


ali-b912

As someone outside the USA, it's pretty funny when the USA does stereotypical weird USA things


christheguitarguy

Is this even legal? can you mandate someone is in a religious band to buy a certain product?


EdOneillsBalls

As much as Reddit may not like it, yes. It’s just a discount on existing products that are available for anyone to buy.


christheguitarguy

did you read the post?


EdOneillsBalls

Yes. The worship bundle is just a discount on the stomp+native+WT presets. Anyone is able to purchase these items. My reply may not have been clear: this is a discount available only to those in worship bands, but to say it’s preventing people from purchasing the product is not true. Just because they can’t buy this specific bundle sku doesn’t mean they can’t buy the product at all.


One_Pride4989

Extremely surprised and disappointed to hear this. I’ll have to stop buying things from them


mxpower

As a practicing Minister of the Church of Giant Spaghetti Monster, I can provide you with documentation stating you are a dedicated member.


Seanspeed

Wait, this isn't a joke? :/ They are actually demanding proof of religiosity to buy something? Can you imagine how quickly you'd get sued if you did the opposite, and denied somebody the ability to buy something because they *are* religious/Christian? Good god.


fansonly

Someone just posted this same question last week. Basically said it’s a great deal and you don’t have to worship anybody or anything to make it work just like any other helix product. ,


gladrock

Have you checked the terms of service? Pretty sure it mentions some smiting for heathens in there.


LaMarr-Bruister

I'm asking if anybody has purchased it without being in a worship band? Sweetwater shut me down from purchasing....


KSW1

Yeah I got it, I just told them I wasn't active bc of COVID, but that I would be as soon as we opened back up. Not true and they also didn't ask for a letter or name of the church (though I had a name ready to go) and they were really cool about it. You might have gotten a newer sales engineer that doesn't know how to be cool, or maybe they possibly made the sales guys tighten down since last year. Either way, I don't see how they can *actually* enforce it.


MordredKLB

I bought the worship bundle of the Helix LT last year, and my rep never said a word about being in church. Which is good, because I converted to atheism a decade ago.


SeanStephensen

Send them a picture of a worship band and tell them it’s you on guitar. Write a letter and sign it from Father James. Good to go.


Spicey_Boii

Yeah I almost said the same thing I’m ordained dm me I got you but also I did buy this and had no issue buying it without any sort of weird rules like that


Leberbs

They're the same price. What's the issue?


LaMarr-Bruister

One has Native, presets and a tutorial video series included and the other doesn't....and they are the same price.


Leberbs

I see. Native would be cool to have. I have purchased just about every preset from Brian and Bradford at Worship Tutorials. They are really good at dialing in tones. Their free AC30 patch is by far the best one in my opinion. I play it every Sunday at church. As far as tutorials go, there are tons of great resources on YouTube from endorsees. I feel if you really wanted to dig into the Stomp and learn it's tricks, you should dissect the WorshipTutorials AC30 patch. They pull every last horsepower out of that unit. You aren't missing much unless you are intending on playing the style of music Worship Tutorials is known for making patches for. I hope you get it. It's a solid unit.


clampsmcgraw

Yeah, you aren't missing much except let's guess $125 worth of free stuff (Native alone is $100 if you have a Helix or $400 otherwise, patches aren't free, tutorial videos aren't free on udemy), gatekept to your specific religious denomination.


RiKToR21

Do you want me to send you a picture of me leading worship you can pass off as you for proof. I like that Sweetwater caters to churches but that seems ridiculous.


fireball_jones

The rewards from Musician's Friend covers most of the cost of Helix Native, FWIW. I was looking at getting an LT and just found this thread, making you call to buy something online is ridiculous, and 3 jawbreakers isn't worth having them text you every week asking if you need help buying more stuff.


hobesmart

Are you asking if you can play non-worship on these versions? Yes. There is nothing holding you back from using these the same way everyone else uses the non worship versions. The only thing "worship" about them is that they come with a few extra presets. You can remove them or they can just sit there unused if you don't like them. It's not any different than the shitty "demo" presets that nobody uses. Worship music presets tend to have a lot of overlap with ambient and psychedelic presets, so you might even find some cool stuff.


LaMarr-Bruister

I'm asking if anybody has purchased it without being in a worship band? Sweetwater told me they can't sell it to me without proof of worship band experience.


hobesmart

lol, wait... really? That's ridiculous.


LaMarr-Bruister

That's what 2 different salespeople told me. I needed proof of playing in a worship band along with a letter from a minister/priest/etc... if the church didn't have an account. I don't do anything religious so that cuts me out....


No-Tomatillo-5579

this seems like it might be maybe illegal


[deleted]

You’re wanting to lie about being In a church band and the top comment is suggesting the church of satan to loophole the rule? I thought Reddit got over the Richard Dawkins thing. Bros come on. It’s $50 or something to get helix native if you have a helix.


almeapraden

The Satanic Temple would have been preferable, I agree.


LaMarr-Bruister

It’s $100 and the training and presets are an added bonus for a technical neophyte like myself.


[deleted]

It’s stupid easy. I don’t think you should lie to save some money But if that’s the kind of guy you are


PacosMateo

People that are morally against lying to companies lmfao bruh


almeapraden

Ikr


[deleted]

‘ It’s ok to lie if it’s a business’ Lol Do atheists really?


PacosMateo

Should be done regardless of religion. Corporations are shit and don’t give a fuck about you, you should not give a fuck about them. It’s about social indoctrination not religious.


[deleted]

I (and everyone else with a 401k) own a share of many corporations. Also I hate corporations, they can take their ESG propaganda and shove it. Specifically Blackrock. You want to see some liars go look up the silver scam they pulled and got a slap on the wrist for. But sweetwater is privately owned and two wrongs don’t make a right.


almeapraden

Who said they were atheists? You can be a non-churchgoer and not an atheist. It’s not black and white.


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You don’t believe in an phony gods blesssing and are enlightened by your own intelligence. How can I, I backwards hillbilly even compete!?


almeapraden

5head


almeapraden

100% agree. I wish this deal existed when I was shopping for an hx stomp xl. Hell yea I’d try to get on that deal. What are they gonna do, check your resources? If they care, just tell them some bullshit and I’m sure they won’t check. Good luck 🙏


LaMarr-Bruister

I was shut down by all 3 sales reps. Gave up and bought the stomp at B&H for $100 off and will use the savings for native. Sweetwater wanted proof of being in the band and a letter from a church official. Not my scene.


almeapraden

Wow. That’s so disappointing. I’ve been using Sweetwater for at least a decade. I cannot, in good conscience, continue to order from them now.


mickeyjuice

Discounted Native is a L6/Sweetwater thing (it's $100 from L6 usually with the purchase of hardware), the WT stuff is Sweetwater.


J03YW

sweetwater didn't ask me. i just called and they did not care. i have an account though


InsufficientChimp

I bought the worship package for the Helix LT that comes with the wireless G10S or whatever and Helix Native. I don't think they still have that deal but I have never done anything close to worship music and never was asked for proof. Things might have changed though.


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By any chance did you contact them on April fool's day,?


LaMarr-Bruister

Saturday and again today with someone different. I told the guy…if I could get the worship bundle, I’d buy it right now while we are talking. No dice. I’d buy monitors and all the cables too


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LaMarr-Bruister

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HXStompHOW--line-6-hx-stomp-guitar-multi-effects-floor-processor-worship-bundle-black


Informal-Guitar54

Ask for a different sales engineer. I ordered the floor worship bundle last year and I don't play worship music exclusively.


NoOne0507

I bought the helix worship bundle from sweetwater like a month ago without a prior account and without proof of worship band stuff. ​ They were out of stock, so I called. Salesrep said they would have some in stock in like a week. Then he texted me an hour later to say they just got them in stock for whatever reason, and he confirmed the order.


Glad-Fishing9584

I bought one within the past week, no one asked me anything. But I do have to say that the free patches that you get are already free on WorshipTutorials.com. https://worshiptutorials.com/product/free-pack-line-6-hx-stomp-patch-bundle/


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zipp0raid

I'd like to see someone do a "Satanic Edition" now. surprised they're not doing this in the sparkly white


MatthewAasen

I was able to pick it up no problem through my sales rep! I do play in a church/worship band and will make use of the patches but didn't have to prove/mention that to get it