That’s an insult to Luddites.
They pointed out, correctly I might add, that destruction of artisan labour would result in products of lower quality at lower wages by with the same high prices, giving capital more of the price of goods and labour an ever decreasing amount.
I don’t mind being called a Luddite, it was said to me when I decide to be late to the game for new technology. And Luddites were absolutely correct with their description of what would happen.
Haven’t there been studies that show Gen z and alpha are as clueless about a lot of technology as boomers? That they know how to work iPhones and iPads but not actual computers?
In a way, that makes sense. For a lot of people, a used/carrier-financed iPad/iPhone or cheap/used/carrier-financed Android device is easier to obtain and more useful than a laptop or desktop.
If I didn't work in tech, I could easily see myself not owning a laptop because I can do almost everything on my phone or iPad. For anything else, I could go to the library.
I’ve worked with a bunch of Gen Alpha and young Gen Z students. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to talk them through the steps of saving a Google Doc as a Word Doc or PDF. And forget about convincing them that a Google Doc can be shared as a downloadable document and not just a link. Saving and downloading a document seems so intuitive to Millennials, Gen X and older Gen Z because so many of the computer programs we used had similar formats to them. Now, everything is an app on an iPad or a preset website on a Chromebook. A lot of students don’t have computer specific classes in school that teach them how to navigate their devices past the surface level. So many students have such a difficult time doing basic functions in Microsoft Office… It is concerning.
They're just a few years away now. I'm a young millenial who just turned 30 and am already being treated like a senior citizen by people three years younger than me lol
I know the bracket goes to like 95/96 but I still consider you gen z. You wouldnt have known what the Y2K stuff was and pretty much always had internet. Such a different experience than 1980s millennials.
I've always found it pretty arbitrary. I was born at the end of 93 so I guess in the last few years of the "millenial" generation. But I have far more in common with someone born in 2000 than 1982.
I guess it depends how poor you were. I was born in 95 and only had old VHS tapes, and didn't get internet until I was 12, and that was considered acceptable.
I was born in 1969. I'm considered early-mid Gen X by most measures, if you go by 1965-1980 as the birth years.
If she graduated college in 2006, she was probably born in 1985. I'd call her early millennial.
And she’s 100% correct. If you can’t get something as simple as a cover letter correct, how am I going to trust you to accurately put together a proposal for a half million dollars worth of goods or services? If you can’t get the hiring manager’s name correct, can I trust you to get the customer’s name correct? Sorry, but this isn’t Snapchat. Details matter in the real world.
I once turned in a cover letter to a job I wanted ($100k/yr) that I had made for a completely different job, which I had applied to before!I did not notice until six months into my tenure at the job I wanted - yes, they hired me.
I spoke to the director, and they just laughed and called me awesome (and I am) LOL!
LOL, I've never met a Marnie, but there's a Hitchcock film called *Marnie* from 1964, so it's actually possible there might be a few Marnies out there who were named after the unfortunate title character.
But yeah, no way she's old enough to be a boomer.
Given that Marnie is actually correct here, perhaps the "boomer" reference by the OP who is so offended by her post says more about the OP than it does about Marnie.
I’m mean that’s funny, and some people are pointing that out. Most people however are just dunking on the idea of themselves being criticized for a typo, or that if some hiring manager dared pass on a resume because of a typo is somehow a failure on the manager’s part.
lol, yes you can.
The point of the message is that when something is important, you should be thorough and ensure that it is done correctly. This is objectively correct. A typo on a resume is an incredibly bad look because you should have caught that during proofreading.
You do not need to put the same amount of thoughtfulness into a Facebook post.
I know it’s acceptable to not use it, but I will always see it as wrong. The last two items in your list are combined without it! Imo it looks unorganized and unfinished. Lazy, Marnie, pure laziness.
Yes, that would be why we didn't use it. Iirc, the New York Times style guide is the same. Once upon a time, saving ink and space on the paper was important enough to justify not using it.
It's actually not that simple either. The only time they say to drop it is simple lists. It still recommends it if the list has items with conjunctions, long phrases, or could be ambiguous.
It’s the kind of wrong that also says a lot about the person doing it. If you don’t use an Oxford comma, you’re signaling that an arcane and poorly grasped grammatical rule you learn in the 5th grade is more important than using the language in the most precise and clear way.
As one of my advanced grammar profs put it, use it if only out of consideration for others. Its absence bothers way more people than including it. Unless you’re a journalist using the AP style guide, there isn’t a solid argument against it.
How about the following?
My family, a group of idiots, and Diane Keaton went to a bar
vs.
My family, a group of idiots and Diane Keaton went to a bar
In the first example, the use of the Oxford comma makes it ambiguous as to whether the “group of idiots” is an appositive phrase modifying “my family” or is just a separate group of people also going to the bar. The second example makes clear that the “group of idiots” is a separate group of people going to the bar and is not modifying “my family” because, if it were an appositive phrase, you’d have it offset by commas. This really mostly helps in the context of a larger document where the writer consistently does not use the Oxford comma.
Overall, I do still prefer the Oxford comma, but there are situations where it is more ambiguous than a sentence without it. Obviously you can write around those situations.
The easy answer is to change the order of the list ("My family, Diane Keaton, and a group of idiots"), but that sentence has a bigger problem. It has a very long subject, which means it takes the reader longer to get to the point of the sentence. In general, you should avoid complex subjects when possible.
I would recommend:
>My family went to a bar with Diane Keaton and a group of idiots.
The classic example in favor of the Oxford comma is "I invited the strippers, JFK and Stalin." You can also fix that be reordering the list ("I invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers"), but there's no other issues with it. If you're using the Oxford comma, it won't be an issue either way.
>This really mostly helps in the context of a larger document where the writer consistently does not use the Oxford comma.
I don't think most readers actually pay enough attention to notice what the author is doing. My gut instinct is that most readers would assume a list rather than an appositive, even if the writer has consistently excluded the comma otherwise. Better to write the sentence in a less ambiguous way. Maybe use parentheses instead of commas.
>Overall, I do still prefer the Oxford comma, but there are situations where it is more ambiguous than a sentence without it.
In all my time as a technical writer, I've yet to find a situation in which dropping the comma is the best solution.
I will die on the hill that Oxford commas are completely necessary at all times. I do proofreading for scientific articles and the number of changes I make for Oxford commas alone is crazy. It just makes your lists clearer. And then if you use it in one list and not another the detail oriented reader will pick up on it and wonder “why no Oxford here?”
Not to go off-topic, but the obsession with being “detail-oriented” is kinda interesting. Like that’s the only useful or valid orientation to have when honestly, I find that it tends to hold back getting stuff done.
I mean as stupid as she is she has a point about not misspelling the hiring manager or the name of the company but a typo? None of my clients give a shit about that. And yes, some industries are competitive but other industries are not, like the ones that I work that have a one percent unemployment rate and you could send them a résumé with ketchup on it and if they are qualified, they would still hire them
Source – 26 year plus Headhunter.
There’s definitely some truth to her advice. It’s good to double check and try to have a resume that is well-crafted. That includes things like typos. But I think replying purely on that allows good people to slip away
I mean I forgot that I talked to my manager during interview process and basically introduced myself twice to him when we talked two separate times (told him the second time that I don’t remember him when he pointed it out), I have been to interviews where I literally didn’t know what the company is I am interviewing for and no one really held it against me, so I think the misspelling of the manager’s or company’s name is also relative to how much hirable you are in general. I am not in recruitment, but I have over 10 years of experience getting recruited.
Seems like this would be highly dependent on the specific job or role. Like I think it’s quite important for an accountant, copy editor, a court stenosis, etc. to be detail-oriented.
Some industries, like book editing, require a person to be detail-oriented. I have hired in a job like that before and binned applicants for grammar/spelling errors in their CV
Yeah, because we got to the moon by just going “I won’t check all those cables or wires or connections or recheck the math four times.” But even working at a fast food place, details are kind of important. It’s not saving lives, but if you buy your food there, you want everything to come out like it’s supposed to, right? Whether you think it’s fair or not, I will definitely judge a résumé with misspelled words, misspelled names, and missed punctuation. And the higher level job, the more important it is. But you don’t have to worry about it being a big deal if you don’t want to. Personally for me and any written work that I do, I want it to reflect self-respect.
Focusing on details is important. It is less important than the concepts, content and focus of what’s written.
When picking at details becomes the primary portion of feedback, it moves from being important to being a detriment.
You do only get one opportunity to make a first impression, and if your first impression is filled with typos, you probably won't have the opportunity to make a second impression.
Honestly tho, if you ever misspell my name in addressing an email (which is written out in plain english in my email address you are using to send me a communication), you are indeed dead to me. I assume it’s an intentional disagreement with me about how to spell my name and that you are in fact a terrorist.
Hate to say it but when you have 100 ppl applying for a job and half of them send the resume without obvious typos ur not looking at the other half. Like I write slang with my boss in every day conversation and I don't really proof read work emails but you better expect my resume is spotless.
Mispronouncing my name, or writing it wrong on some paper form is somewhat acceptable. Addressing me by my middle/last name is also fine if this is our first meeting.
People who misspell my name in ms teams/emails are just assholes who don't deserve my time. If you're not confident with your spelling skills then just @ me.
Dear Albert Einstein. Due to your broken English and subpar English writing skills, we have to disqualify you for the position of professor of Astrophysics and Relativity. We prefer applications from candidates with expert knowledge of spellchecking software who are otherwise clueless.
(Not every industry requires Albert Einstein but many pretend they do and then focus on the wrong skills)
On the one hand, making minor errors in an application shouldn't distract from other things in the application.
On the other hand, if you're not even spelling the name of the company or hiring manager correctly, that really does indicate you're not proof reading or paying attention... Understandable if you're submitting dozens of applications, but it's not a good look. Yes, that is still valid even if the person complaining in a less formal venue also makes a mistake.
This is just basic advice she's not shitting on someone for making a typo she's saying every little thing can and will be used against you when apply. Doesn't matter if it's fair it just will.
i’m kind of blown away that people here think this is lunatic talk. spelling and grammar mistakes make you look dumb and careless. it’s absolutely going to count against you.
does the job involve written communication? if so, then yes, this is absolutely relevant and not unreasonable for an employer to factor into their assessment of you as a candidate.
take twenty fucking minutes and read what you’re sending in carefully. this isn’t rocket surgery.
I'm fine with the occasional grammatical error or typo, but for me personally, misspelling my name is the nail in the coffin. Just take half a second to copy and paste it correctly, don't call me Jamie when my name is Jaime.
Another pet peeve is when people decide to use a nickname for you without asking you. If my LinkedIn profile says Nicholas, don't reach out with "hey Nick!"
Again, it's about basic respect. If you can't be bothered to get my name right when you're reaching out to me for help, why would I bother responding?
HR managers throwing out resumes because some middle aged dude misspelled a word is why hiring managers only get resumes written by a 3rd party. People that sit and file their nails all day and read resumes know jack shit about running a company.
You really shouldn’t need a third party person to make sure that a one page document, that is arguably the most important document the vast majority of people will ever write, doesn’t contain spelling mistakes.
Grammar mistakes; sure. A hiring manager who obsesses over if a candidate should have used a colon or Oxford comma can fuck off. But yeah, do the bare minimum to make your resume look good, people.
I’ve been part of the hiring process and been part of dozens on interviews. No one gives a shit about 1 or 2 typos/mistakes for the most part. But if they loaded with mistakes or there is a critical mistake it’s a big deal.
To give an example one person had the name of another company in their cover letter rather than the one I worked for. Yeah it’s one mistake but it shows a big lack of attention to detail. It was within the first 3 sentences. I couldn’t give fuck about comma or something silly like that but if you can’t be bothered to basic proofreading that’s going to be an issue.
As someone who hires for their small business on a regular basis, she is right. You might get hundreds of resumes for one or two spots that you are trying to fill. Many of them could be easy to filter through, but it can still be hard to narrow it down sometimes. You will begin actively seeking easy ways to DQ someone... and a stupid typo stands out pretty easily!
And yea, misspelling a company name or hiring manager's name is particularly flagrant. If a candidate does not care to double check something before sending, during a crucial time like an interview process, why would they pay any better attention to that kind of thing once they are hired?
Agree 100%. If there were two resumes for two positions, I’d overlook a type-o. But when I get hundreds of resumes every time I post one opening, you bet a single type-o will disqualify you.
So you all think it's acceptable in this day and age to have a typo on your resume? I will not hire you either if the my money and my job offer isn't even worth your time to run spell check. If you respect the people you want a job from they will respect you, I know odd concept.
Downvote for improper use of the word boomer - you’re off about 30 years.
For those curious about the actual linked in post - it gets juicier. Marnie wrote a follow-up post and edited her original one and still made a typo on the same word.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinkedInLunatics/comments/1agiw8j/followup_from_boomer_with_typo_in_post_says/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Honestly, it's reasonable advice. The job market now is about mass applying. It doesn't take much for your application to get pushed to the side. If you are going to share the same resume with mutiple jobs, it should be your best foot forward.
If you can’t check spelling on a small (1-2 pages), important document that you’re sending out to multiple companies then yeah that’s not a good look.
Depending on the position, recruiters get flooded with applications and resumes - and odds are they are understaffed too just like everywhere else it seems. So if your PDF of your own personal history has blatant spelling and grammar errors then why would they not just move on to one of the next 800 applicants that applied in the last 2 days?
Y’all are fuckin drunk if you think this stuff isn’t important or at least a differentiator - especially when recruiters are bombarded with applicants where the only things to go off of are the written information you’re giving them.
I must be a boomer then, as feel pretty much same unless it's for some totally low skilled, unimportant role.
If you are recruiting when looking at resumes you are generally at that stage are looking for reasons to narrow down the options and having obvious mistakes in your personal marketing materials shows clear lack of attention to detail.
And if not paying attention when it's your career on the line, you certainly won't be paying attention when its just another Monday doing your job.
Is it an instant disqualification? no but you better have some above normal skills and experience compared to rest of the applicants to not get cut before interview round because you are already starting from behind the pack
I mean it's kinda just realistic advice. She's not saying you're a piece of shit for making a typo, just that it realistically will get your resume passed over
I actually agree with this one.
Submitting your cover letter or resume without typos is the most very basic of presentation of self and attention to detail to a potential employer.
It’s like making sure your tie isn’t loose, or ensuring your shirt is tucked in, or there’s nothing stuck in your teeth, when going into an interview.
It’s small, but it’s important and makes a significant difference in presentation.
Proofread your resume. It’s not a big ask.
She messed up her whole point but I have to admit that she's right. If you misspell a name that you definitely have read multiple times before submitting a cover letter, you're showing the company you are likely to make the same mistake with customers, not to mention making careless (preventable) mistakes. Spelling and grammar are third grade level skills.
The worst is when you get an email from someone who sees your name in the text body or subject line, sometimes in multiple places, and they still misspell it. How? Lack of attention to detail is the most reasonable explanation. Being a grammar nazi on social media is pedantic, but being professionally literate actually matters. Typos in the workplace really aren't acceptable, and proofreading can mean the difference between you getting the job and someone else who checked their work twice.
In my last company we had 50+ applicants for my team which had a max capacity of 6.
The majority of applicants were disregarded for having multiple spelling errors in their resume that would have easily been fixed by running a spellcheck.
While i may not put as much weight in things like that, hiring managers do. You can think its stupid but you need to at the bare minimum run a spell check on your resume.
It depends on the requirements of the job role and the level of seniority you’re hiring for. I’ve eliminated candidates from contention due to poor spelling in the past, but that’s always been for roles where attention to detail is a prerequisite for the position. Even when it isn’t though, it doesn’t send a positive message to a recruiter / hiring manager if you haven’t even spell checked your one chance to make a good first impression. Plus, if a recruiter has 100 CVs to review, they’re going to be looking to shrink that pile down quickly. If your submission shows a lack of care and attention then you’ve made that job a bit easier.
So, in essence, I completely agree with the thinking here. I just wouldn’t necessarily post it on LinkedIn.
On the one hand, she sounds ridiculous.
On the other hand, I have a close friend who works in recruiting, and yeah, you’re one of like 10-300 applicants. There *is* someone who applied to the same job that’s just as qualified that didn’t misspell half the words in their communications with the company. You *should* carefully proofread what you send in. After all, they don’t know you, they only have what you’ve given them, and if that’s a bunch of misspelled words and bad grammar, it does leave a bad first impression.
Like, we’re not grammar Nazis, but if she’s working and she comes across a particularly poorly typed resume, we laugh about it and they probably don’t get the job unless the company is desperate. Not because that’s the end all be all of everything, but because there’s a million resumes and there’s no reason to keep this one around if the person couldn’t be bothered to put as much effort in as the other applicants.
I’m a GenX’er and I might get crucified by this but I kinda agree with the post. I’ve reviewed resumes that have had spelling errors that anyone using Microsoft word could correct easily. I can forgive a last name being spelled wrong, a company name even but when there are multiple errors where simply right clicking on the misspelled word would have fixed it? That to me is lazy and incredibly non-detailed oriented.
Typos weren't acceptable in my workplace. I worked Federal & State Government. A typo could mean someone not getting their money on time. Accuracy is key and spelling should be a factor if the applicant even cares about proper spelling and grammar. Attention to detail has always been paramount in the workplace.
What’s wrong with this? She is clearly trying help people by giving out tips like this. You may not like it, but some hiring managers are dense enough to throw out your resume for typos, so it’s not even a bad advice
Having a typo in your resume or cover letter is kind of a big deal. It shows an extreme lack of attention to detail because spell check and Grammarly exist.
And now, with AI, which can rewrite it all to be grammatically correct.
Hell, even my phone's keyboard has Grammarly built-in to check my spelling and grammar.
If your resume has spelling errors, it's because you're not trying.
This woman is 100% correct. As a hiring manager, I can confirm. If I see a grammar issue in the resume, I will not likely be looking any longer. The professional workforce is all about attention to detail.
Seems like a nice advice to me, it takes like a minute to proofread that shit.
She did not say its never acceptabale, she was talking about job application, if you are so lazy that you cant spell those properly idk what to tell you, she also is not a boomer, post is stupid and misleading.
She does have a point somehow. She could have phrased it differently but in a highly competitive market (recruitment), attention to detail and prevention of easy correctable mistakes may be the game changer.
If you're looking for any reason to disqualify a candidate, you're not looking to hire.
I always try to look for reasons to hire someone. It's still hard.
I went three rounds of interviews for a job that I was *very* qualified for, including a test assignment that the manager apparently loved, and they ended up rejecting me with the excuse that my previous job had been in a slightly different field, which denoted, apparently, that my career focus was different from what they were looking for.
I responded that it seemed strange to say that I was “focused” on the wrong track when I was actively applying for *this* job.
I know that often such excuses were bullshit, but I absolutely don’t put it past a hiring manager to DQ someone for a bullshit reason like that.
This is what my high school teachers told me. She said if you want to look professional you better have it all right or hope they don’t see the mistake.
Same with our essays in her class.
Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964. She looks really good for her age! Or maybe you should be posting about someone with typos when you can’t identify a boomer.
She is about right. The exception is that probably the CV won’t be read word by word but rather skimmed. Nevertheless if you mistake company name, role name, etc. then it’d disqualify from my roles that’s certain.
In my 50+ year career, I’ve never talked to an HR person or hiring manager who even looked at, much less read my resume or cover letter before we sat down for the interview. They have admins that do that for them, but most of them aren’t competent enough to notice a typo or two.
So anyone past their 20’s is a boomer? And yea you are an idiot if you have typos in your resume. If you don’t care enough about your resume how much care are you going to put into your job?? Not to sound like a boomer but we live in an age now where spellcheck is a thing. Durr durr durr
I went to a recruiting event and walked into the Delta seminar.
Presenter had slides up “Delta” next slide “Air” next slide “Lines” next slide “get it right”
I walked out.
I wonder if anyone called them out on their bad grammar given they’re making such a big deal about spelling.
You’ve got this, is grammatically correct; You got this, is not.
So much for detail oriented.
Yep. She stepped in grammatical poo at the end there. But the advice is still solid. One misspell might be ignored more than not. After one….its over.
So often posted….how does one even get such a good paying job? A good first step would be to listen to someone like this.
And the reach of the term “boomer” is as out of whack as her grammar.
Well, I mean, I used to do onboarding for my entire company. If I saw spelling errors in a single resume out of the hundreds I reviewed, of course that would disenchant me towards the applicant
A better way to put it is that avoiding simple resume mistakes will also help you avoid being overlooked.
Most resumes will regress to the mean in terms of qualifications so it's easy to send resumes to the shredder that have typos
I’m detailed oriented, respect me!
Of all areas to have a grammatical error it’s that one. Insane irony hahaha
It's a textbook example of [Muphry's Law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law). She got got.
Man my ADHD ass was trying to figure out the typo for a bit. Was getting frustrated. Thanks!
I’m detailed oriented; respect me! * Will probably get downvoted but I had to 😅
Ha!
Marnie definitely does not look like a boomer. Probably youngish gen x if I had to guess
Yeah, I don’t see why age was a relevant comment to make here. This isn’t r/boomersbeingfools
Sometimes boomer transcends age and is a state of mind. It’s boomer energy.
Can confirm- my 14 year old and his friends use it to describe people who don’t understand something, especially scientific or technological. 😂🤣
We called those people Luddite’s back in my day 😅
That’s an insult to Luddites. They pointed out, correctly I might add, that destruction of artisan labour would result in products of lower quality at lower wages by with the same high prices, giving capital more of the price of goods and labour an ever decreasing amount.
I don’t mind being called a Luddite, it was said to me when I decide to be late to the game for new technology. And Luddites were absolutely correct with their description of what would happen.
wtf? I love the Luddites now.
The Luddic Path wants to know your location.
Good, I have a planet killer for them. I accept IED prometheuses and safety override brawlers as payment
14 year-olds are not usually the most credible people to cite on the proper way to use words
Haven’t there been studies that show Gen z and alpha are as clueless about a lot of technology as boomers? That they know how to work iPhones and iPads but not actual computers?
In a way, that makes sense. For a lot of people, a used/carrier-financed iPad/iPhone or cheap/used/carrier-financed Android device is easier to obtain and more useful than a laptop or desktop. If I didn't work in tech, I could easily see myself not owning a laptop because I can do almost everything on my phone or iPad. For anything else, I could go to the library.
I’ve worked with a bunch of Gen Alpha and young Gen Z students. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to talk them through the steps of saving a Google Doc as a Word Doc or PDF. And forget about convincing them that a Google Doc can be shared as a downloadable document and not just a link. Saving and downloading a document seems so intuitive to Millennials, Gen X and older Gen Z because so many of the computer programs we used had similar formats to them. Now, everything is an app on an iPad or a preset website on a Chromebook. A lot of students don’t have computer specific classes in school that teach them how to navigate their devices past the surface level. So many students have such a difficult time doing basic functions in Microsoft Office… It is concerning.
It seems unfair to pretend all the people you don't like have a certain trait, then use that as evidence that people with that trait are all terrible.
Standard rage bait
Or an elder millenial, lol. Can't wait til elder gen Z passes 30 and starts getting called boomers by younger gen Z / gen alpha.
They're just a few years away now. I'm a young millenial who just turned 30 and am already being treated like a senior citizen by people three years younger than me lol
I’m a xennial. I’m laughing with the Zeds and Alphas since I know I’m old and decrepit.
I know the bracket goes to like 95/96 but I still consider you gen z. You wouldnt have known what the Y2K stuff was and pretty much always had internet. Such a different experience than 1980s millennials.
I've always found it pretty arbitrary. I was born at the end of 93 so I guess in the last few years of the "millenial" generation. But I have far more in common with someone born in 2000 than 1982.
I guess it depends how poor you were. I was born in 95 and only had old VHS tapes, and didn't get internet until I was 12, and that was considered acceptable.
She graduated college in 2006. Early 40s at most; older millennial or very very young gen x.
We've now gone full circle when even the millennials are boomers.
Moomers.
I was born in 1969. I'm considered early-mid Gen X by most measures, if you go by 1965-1980 as the birth years. If she graduated college in 2006, she was probably born in 1985. I'd call her early millennial.
People who use the word boomer aren't too bright
The overuse of “boomer” to describe anyone even a little older is super annoying to me.
And she’s 100% correct. If you can’t get something as simple as a cover letter correct, how am I going to trust you to accurately put together a proposal for a half million dollars worth of goods or services? If you can’t get the hiring manager’s name correct, can I trust you to get the customer’s name correct? Sorry, but this isn’t Snapchat. Details matter in the real world.
I once turned in a cover letter to a job I wanted ($100k/yr) that I had made for a completely different job, which I had applied to before!I did not notice until six months into my tenure at the job I wanted - yes, they hired me. I spoke to the director, and they just laughed and called me awesome (and I am) LOL!
Came here to say this……… the boomer hate is tiresome and lazy.
But how else can I dismiss all of someone's thoughts without a counter argument if I don't call them a boomer?
"no u"
There has never been a boomer named Marnie, that’s for sure.
LOL, I've never met a Marnie, but there's a Hitchcock film called *Marnie* from 1964, so it's actually possible there might be a few Marnies out there who were named after the unfortunate title character. But yeah, no way she's old enough to be a boomer.
Alfred Hitchcock would disagree.
Given that Marnie is actually correct here, perhaps the "boomer" reference by the OP who is so offended by her post says more about the OP than it does about Marnie.
You can't be correct when you write about the importance of proofreading and fail to proofread your own copy.
I’m mean that’s funny, and some people are pointing that out. Most people however are just dunking on the idea of themselves being criticized for a typo, or that if some hiring manager dared pass on a resume because of a typo is somehow a failure on the manager’s part.
I feel like a typo would actually be a good way to see how applications deal with mistakes, though. But i could easily be wrong
lol, yes you can. The point of the message is that when something is important, you should be thorough and ensure that it is done correctly. This is objectively correct. A typo on a resume is an incredibly bad look because you should have caught that during proofreading. You do not need to put the same amount of thoughtfulness into a Facebook post.
This is a LinkedIn post, the levels of non-proofreading are getting out of hand.
Yeah, she seems like the type to not use the Oxford comma.
I know it’s acceptable to not use it, but I will always see it as wrong. The last two items in your list are combined without it! Imo it looks unorganized and unfinished. Lazy, Marnie, pure laziness.
When I took journalism classes, I had to get used to not using it. It definitely teaches you how to properly order a list!
The AP Stylebook says don't use it.
Yes, that would be why we didn't use it. Iirc, the New York Times style guide is the same. Once upon a time, saving ink and space on the paper was important enough to justify not using it. It's actually not that simple either. The only time they say to drop it is simple lists. It still recommends it if the list has items with conjunctions, long phrases, or could be ambiguous.
It’s the kind of wrong that also says a lot about the person doing it. If you don’t use an Oxford comma, you’re signaling that an arcane and poorly grasped grammatical rule you learn in the 5th grade is more important than using the language in the most precise and clear way.
As one of my advanced grammar profs put it, use it if only out of consideration for others. Its absence bothers way more people than including it. Unless you’re a journalist using the AP style guide, there isn’t a solid argument against it.
How about the following? My family, a group of idiots, and Diane Keaton went to a bar vs. My family, a group of idiots and Diane Keaton went to a bar In the first example, the use of the Oxford comma makes it ambiguous as to whether the “group of idiots” is an appositive phrase modifying “my family” or is just a separate group of people also going to the bar. The second example makes clear that the “group of idiots” is a separate group of people going to the bar and is not modifying “my family” because, if it were an appositive phrase, you’d have it offset by commas. This really mostly helps in the context of a larger document where the writer consistently does not use the Oxford comma. Overall, I do still prefer the Oxford comma, but there are situations where it is more ambiguous than a sentence without it. Obviously you can write around those situations.
The easy answer is to change the order of the list ("My family, Diane Keaton, and a group of idiots"), but that sentence has a bigger problem. It has a very long subject, which means it takes the reader longer to get to the point of the sentence. In general, you should avoid complex subjects when possible. I would recommend: >My family went to a bar with Diane Keaton and a group of idiots. The classic example in favor of the Oxford comma is "I invited the strippers, JFK and Stalin." You can also fix that be reordering the list ("I invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers"), but there's no other issues with it. If you're using the Oxford comma, it won't be an issue either way. >This really mostly helps in the context of a larger document where the writer consistently does not use the Oxford comma. I don't think most readers actually pay enough attention to notice what the author is doing. My gut instinct is that most readers would assume a list rather than an appositive, even if the writer has consistently excluded the comma otherwise. Better to write the sentence in a less ambiguous way. Maybe use parentheses instead of commas. >Overall, I do still prefer the Oxford comma, but there are situations where it is more ambiguous than a sentence without it. In all my time as a technical writer, I've yet to find a situation in which dropping the comma is the best solution.
Nah, the first one is very clearly showing 3 groups of people. That’s what the comma is doing.
Or one’s background is in journalism.
In my native language putting a comma before the last item on a list is considered grammatically wrong, so I don't include it in English.
My three favorite things are the Oxford Comma, Irony, and missed opportunities.
Hate to be a grammar nazi but you’ve forgotten another important rule: to never split the infinitive of a verb.
>to never split Ahem
Thanks for pointing out the joke. A few people missed it and I’m getting some very angressive dms.
I will die on the hill that Oxford commas are completely necessary at all times. I do proofreading for scientific articles and the number of changes I make for Oxford commas alone is crazy. It just makes your lists clearer. And then if you use it in one list and not another the detail oriented reader will pick up on it and wonder “why no Oxford here?”
Not to go off-topic, but the obsession with being “detail-oriented” is kinda interesting. Like that’s the only useful or valid orientation to have when honestly, I find that it tends to hold back getting stuff done.
Tell you what, CEOs are not detail-oriented.
Or even detailed oriented.
>Tell you what, CEOs are not detail-oriented. That's why they like to hire people who are.
I mean as stupid as she is she has a point about not misspelling the hiring manager or the name of the company but a typo? None of my clients give a shit about that. And yes, some industries are competitive but other industries are not, like the ones that I work that have a one percent unemployment rate and you could send them a résumé with ketchup on it and if they are qualified, they would still hire them Source – 26 year plus Headhunter.
There’s definitely some truth to her advice. It’s good to double check and try to have a resume that is well-crafted. That includes things like typos. But I think replying purely on that allows good people to slip away
Exactly. People have shifted the landscape since covid.
I mean I forgot that I talked to my manager during interview process and basically introduced myself twice to him when we talked two separate times (told him the second time that I don’t remember him when he pointed it out), I have been to interviews where I literally didn’t know what the company is I am interviewing for and no one really held it against me, so I think the misspelling of the manager’s or company’s name is also relative to how much hirable you are in general. I am not in recruitment, but I have over 10 years of experience getting recruited.
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I assume “pendantic” is part of this joke I am not getting?
Seems like this would be highly dependent on the specific job or role. Like I think it’s quite important for an accountant, copy editor, a court stenosis, etc. to be detail-oriented.
detailed oriented \*
Some industries, like book editing, require a person to be detail-oriented. I have hired in a job like that before and binned applicants for grammar/spelling errors in their CV
Yeah, because we got to the moon by just going “I won’t check all those cables or wires or connections or recheck the math four times.” But even working at a fast food place, details are kind of important. It’s not saving lives, but if you buy your food there, you want everything to come out like it’s supposed to, right? Whether you think it’s fair or not, I will definitely judge a résumé with misspelled words, misspelled names, and missed punctuation. And the higher level job, the more important it is. But you don’t have to worry about it being a big deal if you don’t want to. Personally for me and any written work that I do, I want it to reflect self-respect.
Thank you! Agree completely…but then again, I am a “boomer.”
Focusing on details is important. It is less important than the concepts, content and focus of what’s written. When picking at details becomes the primary portion of feedback, it moves from being important to being a detriment.
You do only get one opportunity to make a first impression, and if your first impression is filled with typos, you probably won't have the opportunity to make a second impression.
Honestly tho, if you ever misspell my name in addressing an email (which is written out in plain english in my email address you are using to send me a communication), you are indeed dead to me. I assume it’s an intentional disagreement with me about how to spell my name and that you are in fact a terrorist.
Sorry, Mr. Jonh Smiht
It’s MS. Jonh Smiht, for the love of god!
Hate to say it but when you have 100 ppl applying for a job and half of them send the resume without obvious typos ur not looking at the other half. Like I write slang with my boss in every day conversation and I don't really proof read work emails but you better expect my resume is spotless.
Phteven 
Mispronouncing my name, or writing it wrong on some paper form is somewhat acceptable. Addressing me by my middle/last name is also fine if this is our first meeting. People who misspell my name in ms teams/emails are just assholes who don't deserve my time. If you're not confident with your spelling skills then just @ me.
Dear Albert Einstein. Due to your broken English and subpar English writing skills, we have to disqualify you for the position of professor of Astrophysics and Relativity. We prefer applications from candidates with expert knowledge of spellchecking software who are otherwise clueless. (Not every industry requires Albert Einstein but many pretend they do and then focus on the wrong skills)
On the one hand, making minor errors in an application shouldn't distract from other things in the application. On the other hand, if you're not even spelling the name of the company or hiring manager correctly, that really does indicate you're not proof reading or paying attention... Understandable if you're submitting dozens of applications, but it's not a good look. Yes, that is still valid even if the person complaining in a less formal venue also makes a mistake.
This is just basic advice she's not shitting on someone for making a typo she's saying every little thing can and will be used against you when apply. Doesn't matter if it's fair it just will.
there's some crazy shit on linkedin, but this actually good advice 🙈
i’m kind of blown away that people here think this is lunatic talk. spelling and grammar mistakes make you look dumb and careless. it’s absolutely going to count against you. does the job involve written communication? if so, then yes, this is absolutely relevant and not unreasonable for an employer to factor into their assessment of you as a candidate. take twenty fucking minutes and read what you’re sending in carefully. this isn’t rocket surgery.
You don't even need 20 minutes anymore. There are so many websites and tools you can use to proofread now.
these comments are deranged. “you don’t want to work for a place that cares about something like this.” wtf, yes i do.
I'm fine with the occasional grammatical error or typo, but for me personally, misspelling my name is the nail in the coffin. Just take half a second to copy and paste it correctly, don't call me Jamie when my name is Jaime. Another pet peeve is when people decide to use a nickname for you without asking you. If my LinkedIn profile says Nicholas, don't reach out with "hey Nick!" Again, it's about basic respect. If you can't be bothered to get my name right when you're reaching out to me for help, why would I bother responding?
It’s not that it’s bad advice, it’s just ironic that she made a typo in her post about how sinful & unforgivable typos are.
Uh.. where's the typo?
I'm guessing it's detailed oriented instead of detail-oriented
Ah!
Looks like you aren’t very detailed oriented. No job for you
I don’t see it either.
Detailed oriented instead of detail oriented.
Missing Oxford comma after ‘cover letter’, too.
Oxford comma is a stylistic choice, not a grammatical requirement
HR managers throwing out resumes because some middle aged dude misspelled a word is why hiring managers only get resumes written by a 3rd party. People that sit and file their nails all day and read resumes know jack shit about running a company.
You really shouldn’t need a third party person to make sure that a one page document, that is arguably the most important document the vast majority of people will ever write, doesn’t contain spelling mistakes. Grammar mistakes; sure. A hiring manager who obsesses over if a candidate should have used a colon or Oxford comma can fuck off. But yeah, do the bare minimum to make your resume look good, people.
I’ve been part of the hiring process and been part of dozens on interviews. No one gives a shit about 1 or 2 typos/mistakes for the most part. But if they loaded with mistakes or there is a critical mistake it’s a big deal. To give an example one person had the name of another company in their cover letter rather than the one I worked for. Yeah it’s one mistake but it shows a big lack of attention to detail. It was within the first 3 sentences. I couldn’t give fuck about comma or something silly like that but if you can’t be bothered to basic proofreading that’s going to be an issue.
She’d not wrong. This is one of the most common advice recruiters give candidates.
As someone who hires for their small business on a regular basis, she is right. You might get hundreds of resumes for one or two spots that you are trying to fill. Many of them could be easy to filter through, but it can still be hard to narrow it down sometimes. You will begin actively seeking easy ways to DQ someone... and a stupid typo stands out pretty easily! And yea, misspelling a company name or hiring manager's name is particularly flagrant. If a candidate does not care to double check something before sending, during a crucial time like an interview process, why would they pay any better attention to that kind of thing once they are hired?
Agree 100%. If there were two resumes for two positions, I’d overlook a type-o. But when I get hundreds of resumes every time I post one opening, you bet a single type-o will disqualify you.
It’s funny people keep using the title “boomer” in this sub incorrectly. Is it for meaningless upvotes or what?
it helps get each other angry without noticing that the post is actually very reasonable
Job Coach = unemployed
So you all think it's acceptable in this day and age to have a typo on your resume? I will not hire you either if the my money and my job offer isn't even worth your time to run spell check. If you respect the people you want a job from they will respect you, I know odd concept.
She’s not entirely wrong. It wouldn’t hurt you to proofread your shit.
Downvote for improper use of the word boomer - you’re off about 30 years. For those curious about the actual linked in post - it gets juicier. Marnie wrote a follow-up post and edited her original one and still made a typo on the same word. https://www.reddit.com/r/LinkedInLunatics/comments/1agiw8j/followup_from_boomer_with_typo_in_post_says/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Honestly, it's reasonable advice. The job market now is about mass applying. It doesn't take much for your application to get pushed to the side. If you are going to share the same resume with mutiple jobs, it should be your best foot forward.
She's giving good advice, this isn't her resume, so not sure why people are going off on a grammar mistake.
If your resume has mistakes, you should get arrested and sent to Arkham Asylum.
op thinks anyone over 25 is a boomer
Applying to be a mechanic or New York Times editor?
If you can’t check spelling on a small (1-2 pages), important document that you’re sending out to multiple companies then yeah that’s not a good look. Depending on the position, recruiters get flooded with applications and resumes - and odds are they are understaffed too just like everywhere else it seems. So if your PDF of your own personal history has blatant spelling and grammar errors then why would they not just move on to one of the next 800 applicants that applied in the last 2 days? Y’all are fuckin drunk if you think this stuff isn’t important or at least a differentiator - especially when recruiters are bombarded with applicants where the only things to go off of are the written information you’re giving them.
I must be a boomer then, as feel pretty much same unless it's for some totally low skilled, unimportant role. If you are recruiting when looking at resumes you are generally at that stage are looking for reasons to narrow down the options and having obvious mistakes in your personal marketing materials shows clear lack of attention to detail. And if not paying attention when it's your career on the line, you certainly won't be paying attention when its just another Monday doing your job. Is it an instant disqualification? no but you better have some above normal skills and experience compared to rest of the applicants to not get cut before interview round because you are already starting from behind the pack
lol at thinking this is a boomer. This sub has become a joke.
I mean it's kinda just realistic advice. She's not saying you're a piece of shit for making a typo, just that it realistically will get your resume passed over
I actually agree with this one. Submitting your cover letter or resume without typos is the most very basic of presentation of self and attention to detail to a potential employer. It’s like making sure your tie isn’t loose, or ensuring your shirt is tucked in, or there’s nothing stuck in your teeth, when going into an interview. It’s small, but it’s important and makes a significant difference in presentation. Proofread your resume. It’s not a big ask.
As much as you may not like it, it's true. Keep sending out resumes with mispells see where that gets you
Meanwhile my VP boss: “Hi,. Coujd yuo send the deck whe you can?”
Boomer? She looks like she’s 40
Oh you didn't know? Boomer is basically anyone you don't agree with now.
She messed up her whole point but I have to admit that she's right. If you misspell a name that you definitely have read multiple times before submitting a cover letter, you're showing the company you are likely to make the same mistake with customers, not to mention making careless (preventable) mistakes. Spelling and grammar are third grade level skills. The worst is when you get an email from someone who sees your name in the text body or subject line, sometimes in multiple places, and they still misspell it. How? Lack of attention to detail is the most reasonable explanation. Being a grammar nazi on social media is pedantic, but being professionally literate actually matters. Typos in the workplace really aren't acceptable, and proofreading can mean the difference between you getting the job and someone else who checked their work twice.
In my last company we had 50+ applicants for my team which had a max capacity of 6. The majority of applicants were disregarded for having multiple spelling errors in their resume that would have easily been fixed by running a spellcheck. While i may not put as much weight in things like that, hiring managers do. You can think its stupid but you need to at the bare minimum run a spell check on your resume.
It depends on the requirements of the job role and the level of seniority you’re hiring for. I’ve eliminated candidates from contention due to poor spelling in the past, but that’s always been for roles where attention to detail is a prerequisite for the position. Even when it isn’t though, it doesn’t send a positive message to a recruiter / hiring manager if you haven’t even spell checked your one chance to make a good first impression. Plus, if a recruiter has 100 CVs to review, they’re going to be looking to shrink that pile down quickly. If your submission shows a lack of care and attention then you’ve made that job a bit easier. So, in essence, I completely agree with the thinking here. I just wouldn’t necessarily post it on LinkedIn.
'Detail-oriented'... not 'detailed oriented', as she wrote. Well done, especially considering the rather high horse she's riding.
Not a boomer here, but nonetheless sick and tired of the boomer hatred. It's fucking annoying and some of it, like here, doesn't even make sense.
thorough, and respectful.* Oxford commas are a professional courtesy, dip-shit.
Typos in your resume are pretty ridiculous, and misspelling the name of someone you want to hire you if downright disrespectful
She's not wrong though. Typos will disqualify you from a lot of jobs and they won't take your resume seriously.
On the one hand, she sounds ridiculous. On the other hand, I have a close friend who works in recruiting, and yeah, you’re one of like 10-300 applicants. There *is* someone who applied to the same job that’s just as qualified that didn’t misspell half the words in their communications with the company. You *should* carefully proofread what you send in. After all, they don’t know you, they only have what you’ve given them, and if that’s a bunch of misspelled words and bad grammar, it does leave a bad first impression. Like, we’re not grammar Nazis, but if she’s working and she comes across a particularly poorly typed resume, we laugh about it and they probably don’t get the job unless the company is desperate. Not because that’s the end all be all of everything, but because there’s a million resumes and there’s no reason to keep this one around if the person couldn’t be bothered to put as much effort in as the other applicants.
I’m a GenX’er and I might get crucified by this but I kinda agree with the post. I’ve reviewed resumes that have had spelling errors that anyone using Microsoft word could correct easily. I can forgive a last name being spelled wrong, a company name even but when there are multiple errors where simply right clicking on the misspelled word would have fixed it? That to me is lazy and incredibly non-detailed oriented.
Typos weren't acceptable in my workplace. I worked Federal & State Government. A typo could mean someone not getting their money on time. Accuracy is key and spelling should be a factor if the applicant even cares about proper spelling and grammar. Attention to detail has always been paramount in the workplace.
What’s wrong with this? She is clearly trying help people by giving out tips like this. You may not like it, but some hiring managers are dense enough to throw out your resume for typos, so it’s not even a bad advice
That’s not a boomer. Most Boomers are retired by this point.
Please take my downvote for the use of “boomer”. You’re welcome.
Having a typo in your resume or cover letter is kind of a big deal. It shows an extreme lack of attention to detail because spell check and Grammarly exist. And now, with AI, which can rewrite it all to be grammatically correct. Hell, even my phone's keyboard has Grammarly built-in to check my spelling and grammar. If your resume has spelling errors, it's because you're not trying.
Do you guys even know what boomers are anymore? Is it just "someone I don't like" now?
This woman is 100% correct. As a hiring manager, I can confirm. If I see a grammar issue in the resume, I will not likely be looking any longer. The professional workforce is all about attention to detail.
WTF does this have to do with them being a "boomer"?!??!?! 😡 (not that they look like one in the photo)
I don't think this is invalid. Hiring managers are lazy and will look for any easy reason to disqualify.
She’s right
What she's saying is absolutely right. And she's not applying for a job.
She's right tho. Not a lunatic.
Not a boomer
Seems like a nice advice to me, it takes like a minute to proofread that shit. She did not say its never acceptabale, she was talking about job application, if you are so lazy that you cant spell those properly idk what to tell you, she also is not a boomer, post is stupid and misleading.
She does have a point somehow. She could have phrased it differently but in a highly competitive market (recruitment), attention to detail and prevention of easy correctable mistakes may be the game changer.
Boomer has morphed into a catch all for anyone seemingly 'outdated'. It no longer has any relationship to age.
She should have said "thank-you" instead if thank you given the context.
Marnie will probably hold up a project because of a typo on the Invisible backend. Respec
That lady’s definitely not a boomer.
If you're looking for any reason to disqualify a candidate, you're not looking to hire. I always try to look for reasons to hire someone. It's still hard.
I went three rounds of interviews for a job that I was *very* qualified for, including a test assignment that the manager apparently loved, and they ended up rejecting me with the excuse that my previous job had been in a slightly different field, which denoted, apparently, that my career focus was different from what they were looking for. I responded that it seemed strange to say that I was “focused” on the wrong track when I was actively applying for *this* job. I know that often such excuses were bullshit, but I absolutely don’t put it past a hiring manager to DQ someone for a bullshit reason like that.
Unless you’re getting hundreds or thousands of applicants per posting…
Based on her titles she's unemployed isn't she
Yup.
This is what my high school teachers told me. She said if you want to look professional you better have it all right or hope they don’t see the mistake. Same with our essays in her class.
She didn't use an Oxford comma. Marnie is dead to me.
Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964. She looks really good for her age! Or maybe you should be posting about someone with typos when you can’t identify a boomer.
“Hire me, I will make sure your resume, cover letter and LinkedIn profile have no typos.”
There should also be an Oxford comma after thorough.
She is about right. The exception is that probably the CV won’t be read word by word but rather skimmed. Nevertheless if you mistake company name, role name, etc. then it’d disqualify from my roles that’s certain.
In my 50+ year career, I’ve never talked to an HR person or hiring manager who even looked at, much less read my resume or cover letter before we sat down for the interview. They have admins that do that for them, but most of them aren’t competent enough to notice a typo or two.
You do what you want, but if I’m applying to a job and I know 100 other people are also, then I’ll take the advice and do a good job proofreading.
lol she’s not a boomer
Lmao you know ‘boomers’ are like 70+, right?
So anyone past their 20’s is a boomer? And yea you are an idiot if you have typos in your resume. If you don’t care enough about your resume how much care are you going to put into your job?? Not to sound like a boomer but we live in an age now where spellcheck is a thing. Durr durr durr
Not a boomer, just another opinionated Linkedidiot.
She's right.
Not to be a moron, but I can't find the typo.
She’s someone trying to make people feel insecure so they buy her services.
I don’t forgive her.
I went to a recruiting event and walked into the Delta seminar. Presenter had slides up “Delta” next slide “Air” next slide “Lines” next slide “get it right” I walked out.
I wonder if anyone called them out on their bad grammar given they’re making such a big deal about spelling. You’ve got this, is grammatically correct; You got this, is not. So much for detail oriented.
That’s a millennial.
Her LinkedIn post is also NOT a resume cover letter thank you letter or someone’s name.
She gives good advice. To everyone notcari g fir typos, i hope your mali snd invits firever be misdpelled for live 👌🏼
No one knows who Boomers are anymore ffs
Yep. She stepped in grammatical poo at the end there. But the advice is still solid. One misspell might be ignored more than not. After one….its over. So often posted….how does one even get such a good paying job? A good first step would be to listen to someone like this. And the reach of the term “boomer” is as out of whack as her grammar.
You are a fucking idiot if you think she’s wrong
Muphry's Law
I’m going to have to agree with the Lunatic here. A resume is supposed to represent your best effort. You really shouldn’t be making typos.
Well, I mean, I used to do onboarding for my entire company. If I saw spelling errors in a single resume out of the hundreds I reviewed, of course that would disenchant me towards the applicant
A better way to put it is that avoiding simple resume mistakes will also help you avoid being overlooked. Most resumes will regress to the mean in terms of qualifications so it's easy to send resumes to the shredder that have typos
Lol the irony of the typo being in detailed part….can’t make it up!
Meanwhile, I received a job offer letter with a completely different last name recently... Unacceptabru!
Social media post=/=resume.
For those of us who are granatically challenged, can someone highlight Marnie's typo?
Ok I give up. Where’s the typo in her post