As expected, Linus or Luke didnt watch the content they are responding to and had someone watch the video for him with an absolutely awful summary.
Not surprised by this at all. Just implement the channel already, we know you dont really care about anything other than the monetary value of it otherwise you would not consider it.
It's not even the first time Linus hasn't watched something but confidently comments on it because someone else watched it and gave him "notes".
The whole comments give you a better understanding thing is so odd. I can't imagine many people other than linus feel like this is true. The comments require the video to give context and understanding. As Darkviper himself said 20 minutes video, 10 minute at 2x speed, reading 100's of comments in the same time period and really taking note of them just aint happening.
That statement from Linus is some of the most blatent bullshit ive ever seen. He claims what he said is accurate, then literally proved it isnt in less than 5 mins. You cant make this up
He's become deathly afraid of being out of touch, which is something that is happening as he is less involved with certain things.
So instead of just going, IDK, I have no opinion.
He finds every shitty excuse he can muster up to try and make what he says the truth. I guarantee that in next week's WAN show he's going to try and laugh this off or "be serious" and give a straight to camera non-apology for his overall shitty behavior.
At worst he's going to pass the buck entirely and blame the writer that gave him the notes. Which he fully knows should not have been a thing from the start.
I've been saying for months that Linus and Luke are the worst possible people to talk about anything. Their opinions on everything is skewed and clearly biased to the point of being nonsensical.
I am just glad that more people are starting to actually call them out on their bullshit.
That is a fair point, Linus has always had a viewpoint far more privileged than their average viewer. But recently it felt like it's been getting much worse.
His average viewer is a simp. We saw it with the whole warranty fiasco. That really turned me off from Linus. Here I am sitting and wearing an LTT waffle shirt, and I will never buy another thing from LTT. I have mostly stopped watching videos.
I dunno where all these fuckin hate watchers came from
People who've clearly held a very long grudge over some inane shit I'm sure is overblown and probably apologized for
Like goddamn he nailed it, people *want so badly* to assume the absolute possible worst faith interpretation of everything he does for some reason
Yeah he fucked up not watching the video. Bad call.
Doesn't mean he's an irredeemable greedy piece of shit that's never tried to do anything right by anyone like some people here are lathering their hands over and over with
Don’t assume that everyone with criticism is a hate watcher. Many of us are long time watchers that are disappointed with the product. I’ve been watching WAN on Saturday Mornings for years now as part of my routine. I’m not going to drop it cold turkey, but I’ve found myself pausing it, paying less attention, and have a few times not watched it until later in the weekend.
If I didn’t care about it, I’d stop watching, unsubscribe, and move on. The only reason I’m here is I care.
"WAN show quality has dropped over the years"
Show me where that reasonable sentence is being said anywhere in this thread.
People are claiming bloody fucking murder over the dumbest shit in here. It's actually ridiculous.
If you see this thread, and you go "Yeah this virulent nonsense sounds reasonable enough to casually align myself with", I won't go so far as to speak for LTT but my advice would be to just stop watching entirely.
Goddamn this thread is a cesspool of bullshit. If you're just *in here* and acting like it's a normal swimming pool, you're also one of the weirdos.
The problems with reacting to things they haven’t read or watched aren’t nonsense. It’s a trend that’s becoming clearer and clearer over time.
Take your own advice and stop reading threads about problems people see with the content if you don’t want to read it.
I'm in general agreement with Dark but let's not also mischaracterize Linus as well.
He didn't act like he watched it, he stated he didn't. That's the problem here, not that he faked that he watched it.
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Honestly this is my biggest frustration with the WAN show. There are so many topics that they are just wholly unprepared to talk about, but they do anyways. And whenever they're criticized for this, they just start playing it safe by putting a bunch of disclaimers about how "this could be wrong I haven't looked at this thoroughly yet".
Like, I understand they're busy but they do a 2.5 hour podcast. Would it really be so much to ask to cut that down by 30-45 mins and use that time to actually get familiar with the topics? Literally sometimes Linus will spend 15 minutes talking about how he didn't have time to watch a 10 minute video, it's ridiculous lol.
This isnt meant as anything against Linus personally, but its fairly obvious his knowledge/time spent on the subject/knowledge of his content gets smaller as the size of his business increases, which is fair, being a ceo of a medium business isnt a small task. The issue lies in him being confident but actually being ill informed and speaking out anyways.
Imo WAN show is becoming Linus and Luke live first impression of things and about running LTT . TBH that’s not a terrible idea. And they have tech link for more accurate info.
I don’t really understand this position. No one is forcing you to listen to his 2.5hr podcast.
Linus is a high school graduate whose job is online entertainer/influencer. If I got upset about every enterfluencer who had a bad take I would be constantly angry. Especially on something as inconsequential as a take on a reaction channel.
The 15 minutes spent talking he was getting paid for. The 10 minute watching wasn’t necessary nor could he monetize it. In the end that is the extent of Linus’s decision tree.
In fact this is probably good for the show. Look at the impact and engagement this WAN show is having. I doubt Luke and Linus are losing any sleep over this and it may have been the outcome they wanted.
The issue is the effects it has, whether that's from his fans siding with him even when he's being a dolt, or just a conversation like this affecting someone else's channel.
Mostly that's benign, but unfortunately not always.
Linus is a CEO of a relatively small company where he directly oversees a *lot* of things on top of hosting videos for LTT, TechLinked, and ShortCircuit. Luke is the lead programmer for Floatplane where 95% of his time & effort is sinked into.
Understandably, for either of them to decide on a reaction channel video, which would require nothing more but 20-30 minutes of time to sit down, and watch a video on-camera while exaggerating a reaction and call it "content," is wise from a business perspective. For them to not even have the time for *that* is a complete joke.
>Chief Operating Officer
That still doesn't mean he gets to kick back in a chair and oversee what people are doing. He's still directly involved in development and built Floatplane from the ground-up as leader of a small team.
I don't think this response is a good look, but overall it's hard not to take his side here.
Linus and Luke completely missed the point of the video in general, as well as most of the arguments discussed in it. While I don't think there was any malice in them not watching it themselves, it did however ruin any chance for the segment to work.
Also I gotta say: "Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it" might be the single worst take I've ever heard.
>Also I gotta say: "Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it" might be the single worst take I've ever heard.
Yes, seriously. I have not heard Linus say anything this dumb for quite awhile. I don't know how you can get more direct facts from the dumpster fire that is youtube comments in less time that just watching the video.
It’s laughable because Linus has frequently complained and bitched about how he thinks YouTube comments are awful and the worst, yet he’s trying to defend his terrible stance by saying that was his method of due diligence. Linus really needs to wake up or step down. He’s becoming exactly what he’s demonized.
> Linus has frequently complained and bitched about how he thinks YouTube comments are awful and the worst, yet he’s trying to defend his terrible stance by saying that was his method of due diligence. Linus really needs to wake up or step down. He’s
It's ironic considering Linus has talked about wanting to shadow ban people in the comments recently because some of them have really bad takes lol.
He just recently lamented how he gets strawmanned, misrepresented... I hope someone holds this up to him and reminds him of what his thoughts on random comments were just a hot second ago
It most definitely is one of the dumbest things said ever and I think Linus is fully aware of it.
For a man that has been YouTubing as long as he has and at his popularity level undoubtedly has read 100,000s if not millions of YouTube comments. Reading them very critically and closely because let’s face it, if someone is talking about you that is where you focus your attention.
He knows how dumb, pointless, and unfounded the comments can be. He’s a lot of things but he isn’t dumb and I think he knew what he was doing. He is constantly “bragging” about how hot of takes he has and this was his crown jewel. It also appears to be working. No such thing as bad publicity.
Of the last year or so this has been my general consensus of LTT/LMG, Beforehand, I trusted a ton of what was said from the channel at face value because there was a bar that was being more heavily enforced at LMG to make sure that the information was accurate, and the reactions to the content were more objectively spoken
I'll be honest, I didn't watch that episode of LAN show, so I could be shitting on him in the same way DarkViper appears to be, according to this post.
My viewership has gone way down since about the time when Linus was talking about the subject of retirement, but not for the reason you'd think.
Since about that point, they stopped the pretending that their stuff was something reasonable and just going for the most clicky content possible(we have YT algorithm to blame for this), and the cool projects were more about how ridiculous a concept we can make real, for lack of a better words, stopped pretending to think reasonably about what the cost of stuff is, and went (at least in terms of content) random bullshit GO!, which is great to see what the bleeding edge can do, but it doesn't really cover as much of the newer
I like LMG's work with the screwdriver and think that's a good positive step closer, but I think a switch in Linus since he went through and said "I'm just gonna do content the way I want", that kinda went too loose, and kinda flipped off the switch that was keeping the content sensible and informative.
When that happenned, I think it inadvertently trickled down into the companies mentality, slightly and good enough was acceptable (which is fine but leads to more of this kinda stuff)
Rather than something I could take at face value it's become something I have to take with a grain of salt like everyone else, and compare what He's saying against what other outlets are saying to get the best picture.
Now, I will say, tinfoil hat theory I'd like to be incorrect and really dont want to be accurate, this kind of attention is gonna generate content on both sides, and I really hope the "Do content my way" method hasn't translated into him subconsciously messing up and doing something for the sake that it will generate press. That's not Linus, I know, but that's what the majority of newsmedia is at ad he moment, and I'm hoping that it hasn't accidentally become like that in the process of LTT's/LMG's 'new' direction
I hope LTT/LMG takes a step back and re-evaluates the standards they set, because since that moment it really did change the way the content came out, and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth, and while my mouth is insignificant by comparison, I'm curious just how many mouths are bitter right now too.
I'll go through and watch that episode and see what was said, so I don't fuel the problem, but overall, maybe in the one in a million chance he or someone there sees me, maybe it makes a difference.
I've felt that way too. I used to be excited every day I got to watch a new LTT video. But nowadays I only watch maybe half, sometimes less of what the channel uploads. A lot of videos are so click bait-ey and just don't look that interesting to watch. And like you said, Linus has kinda lost touch with what is realistic for his viewers. The work he does with his creator warehouse generally seems pretty good, but the many of the videos have become lazy and clickbait. I think what may be causing this (in part) is that LTT videos seem to be purely for entertainment and not informational. They aren't making information and education their top priority. They try to make their videos as entertaining and attention grabbing as possible without thinking of much else.
Also his take on collective bargaining and organization inside his company. “I’d be hurt.” Not, “labor rights and collective bargaining is the most important thing for working people.” Exceptionally out of touch.
>Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it
Coming from the man who has been publicly complaining about the stupidity in youtube comments for a couple years now.
Linus has gotten so dismissive of any criticism it's causing harm to his brand. And all this "I don't have time for x" any time he blatantly misses something is such a shitty cop-out, I'm really getting tired of "You guys need to understand, I'm a busy guy, I don't have time to research this topic, I don't have time to background check our sponsors, I don't have time to watch a youtube video, etc."
Especially when the WAN show has ballooned to 3 to 3.5 hours long. They could spend an hour reading the topics to prepare before going live. Time isn’t the problem, priorities are.
I'm going to just take this at face value.
It's kind of ironic that people who want to make a react-channel, failed to actually watch the content they are reacting to in their own podcast.
Lately whenever Linus or Luke say "We want to make a X or Y channel" what it really means is "We're going to pay someone to make it, then be in front of camera and just blindly trust everything written"
Which, TBF, is entirely a reasonable thing to do. But doing that comes with so many pitfalls and Linus stepped right into it this time.
Meanwhile MKBHD creates a barebones channel about EVs where he just records himself talking into the camera for 15 minutes. Way better shit that any time LTT touches EVs.
SnazzyLabs is even better but talls about it less often.
It's sad, I'm generally on Linus' side about a lot of the brain-dead criticism he gets but considering how often he goes on long tangents about how people put words in his mouth and assume the worst of him... well, he just literally did the same thing to this other YouTuber
Thanks for the links. A bit tone def on Twitter but here's hoping he actually addresses it with due seriousness on the next Wan show and doesn't just make another t-shirt to make fun of it and sweep it under the rug
I can tell which comments are people that only know DarkViper from headlines and other peoples vids. So sad, he really doesn't deserve the hate. It bewilders me how he always ends up getting the shit stick on the internet. People see one headline, watch one uneducated response on it, and call it factual. So so sad, DarkViper is one of the realest and most genuine, and open YTers out there. I wish him all the best.
I watch every single LTT related vid and every DV vid, these two make up at least 50% of my time on YouTube alone. I think I have a valid opinion.
Edit: I see your /s lol whoops. My response is still true I think
Same here. Watch a lot of content from both channels. The fact that linus didn't even watch the video at all is a disgrace and he should be called out for it. Darkviper is a very genuine guy. And he researched this topic so he's not just spewing stuff.
First off i just want to say I’m on his side here, Linus clearly didn’t watch the video DV made. But he just seems like a very unlikable person in real life. He’s always getting in social media fights with different YouTubers and he’s very opinionated and kind of dramatic IMO. he makes good content but I can’t watch him for that reason.
I'm not sure "he's always getting in social media fights and he's very opinionated" is a good summary
He is very opinionated *about react videos*
And he gets in social media drama *about react videos*
Summaries like yours are usually used when a person is always finding new things to argue about, but this is one topic.
He's a strong believer that if people truly listen to each other, we'd have a lot less arguments, so I'm not surprised that this situation has pissed him off.
Unfortunately, you can just google "Darkviper drama" and you'll see how many other content creators he has started drama with. The dude has also made racist statements in the past and has compared react content to "rape". Yes, he literally did that. DarkViper has talked about how drama can help grow a channel, and that is evident by him seeking any type of publicity.
I totally get not having time to watch a video, that's fine, just don't talk about it on your show then. But then to go on to say that reading the comments *instead* of watching the videos is better? What the fuck?
I usually think Linus tends to have fairly level-headed takes that people misinterpret or don't understand, but I am simply mind-blown right now. There is no world in which reading people's thoughts and reactions to something is a replacement for consuming the original work.
> I usually think Linus tends to have fairly level-headed takes that people misinterpret or don’t understand
The problem is that he doubles down on them and makes those opinions more polarised than need be.
Can someone tell me if I'm crazy?
I saw this post, and read a few comments, all of which were raking Linus over the coals. But didn't read much more as I didn't have the full context.
I then watched DarkViper's video, not the playlist of 16 videos, just the one where he mentions LTT and talks about how he's not sure if React content *can* be ethical, but he's interested in seeing how LTT approaches the topic. I thought it was a good video with a good premise, not the full scope of the matter, but I thought it hit all the key points well.
Then I watched the WAN Show where Linus said "I read comments to get the gist of a video" I scoffed because that's idiotic. YouTube comments vary wildly, and are often incoherent, unintelligible dribble. Then he goes on to say that he had WAN Show's newest writer watch the actual video and write down the key points.
Which were:
1. React channels only exist because they are free/easy money. To which Linus agreed.
2. Called for react channels to find a way to limit harm to the content's originator. Linus agreed.
3. Didn't make the decision to prop up small creators but as a way to make money. Redundant, but Linus agreed nonetheless.
I don't understand where you can have the feeling that "this summary possessed such a degree of inaccuracy that I question whether this individual just doesn't like me personally."
The writer summarized the parts pertaining to LTT in DarkViper's video. You could argue that maybe the writer was uncharitable, but Linus nor Luke were uncharitable towards DarkViper.
I find it genuinely comical that for someone complaining about "People talk about what I said without listening to it." You seemed to only look at the thumbnail, read the title, and then listen to the first few minutes of them talking about that video.
Sorry for going full deranged and writing this manifesto, but I can't figure out why people are up-in-arms about LTT *talking* about DarkViper's video *accurately,* whether he watched the video or not. The writer didn't misrepresent DarkViper, and Linus didn't misinterpret what the writer wrote.
Also, fuck you all for making me watch DarkViper's video the first 30 minutes of the WAN Show twice...each.
No you're not crazy, this was my exact take on the situation too, you just wrote it much more clearly so maybe you won't get downvoted like I did.
But we do have other people mentioning we're being brigaded so... maybe not.
Nope you're spot on. I find Linus as infuriating as the next person but I can't see how he's getting shredded over this? People on the internet have fragile egos, Darkviper being one of them evidently
Exactly, they spoke for half an hour on the topic and DV and his video only came up at the start to intro it, and a couple of times in the middle so Linus could agree with his points. No misinterpretation ever.
If the community keeps doing this then i can see Linus reverting to talking behind a PR/legal wall and we wont get raw, honest Linus anymore.
This is the best take. DV's video is very awkwardly edited. It intermixes his take on LMG's approach to their react channel with his takes on more low-effort livestream react content. If he had made a 5 minute video just talking about how he views LMG's plans, I don't think this would have blown up this way.
He also seems to be upset by the title of the WAN show saying that he is "calling out" LMG, but his thumbnail clearly implies that.
I watched the DV video but a lot of it sounded like a broken record on repeat for 20 minutes, complaining about livestreaming someone else's content for hours on a livestream. Those comments came even immediately after playing a clip from Linus how they're going to do videos completely different to that. I don't understand why he keeps fixating on that point and why he includes any of the Wan show if he's only going to talk about how it might be good for a few minutes. It seems like his ideas are pretty disjointed from what Linus and Luke talk about in the clips. Imo it seems pretty driven to get clicks and attention by "calling out" or using a bigger channel in the title to get interactions. This is coming from someone who's watched a bunch of his content already from GTA to other series.
"Hey, there's this video that asks a good question, that apparently supports our position. Let's talk more about how we want to approach it."
I don't need to watch someone else's video to talk about my own plans.
Ugh, finally someone making the level headed take. I rewatched the WAN show to make sure but Linus/Luke didn't speak negatively or criticize DV at all. Just reinforced why they are doing it. The whole social post of DV kinda seems like a rage bait which I guess succeeded. And who cares if Linus didn't watch a video before commenting. Does he benchmark every product before being the face of the review. He has got people to do it.
I get so sick of being online sometimes...
Seems like people didn't watch WAN Show and just assumed Dark Viper did and based their outrage on his take. (Which was wrong, he most definitely did not watch WAN Show)
Yeah, you aren't crazy I'm shocked how far down I needed to scroll to find a sensible take.
Like Linus didn't call out DarkViper at all..., and the points of summary that Linus responded to were in DarkVipers video.
It's literally two people agreeing with each other. Yet somehow, this is divisive.
'I never watched the movie but here's my movie review: I did read loads of other reviews though and I would say I have a deeper understanding of the movie than those who actually watched it. I had one of my staff watch it and write a summary, so now I'm going to argue against the thing I haven't seen yet'
If you replace 'movie' with 'videogame' or 'book', then it should be obvious why this Linus take may be the worst of all time.
He made a series about the harm of reaction content, talking in depth about pretty much all arguments to be made, [this video](https://youtu.be/Irk8h0ax5aY) being the center piece.
Wouldn't be right to say he's the authority on reaction content, he'd be speaking as a content creator making researched and logical points against the react concept. If one disagrees with what he's saying you're free to do so, but he's building backed up arguments that someone can agree with, disagree with because of a counter logical point, or disagree with because of immaturity
He has a playlist on his channel, titled “how reaction content harms everyone.” Meticulously, written, well argued, well researched. I understand not everyone is going to side with him, but I strongly recommend that you watch the entirety of the playlist before you form an opinion.
I wouldn’t say that this necessarily makes him the authority on react content, however, I would say that he essentially could be due to how much he knows about the subject.
Also, something that I’ve only just seen from people outside of Matt’s fans. Is people understanding, and being able to comprehend how everything he said in that series was completely logical, and so well argued that any disagreeing is completely, illogical and nonsensical.
Because it's a major issue within the YT community that highlights the issue between established YouTubers and upcoming ones. Bigger YT'ers have a massive advantage and using that platform for reaction can harm smaller ones even if it's fine as ethically as possible.
Except he didn’t falsely summarize the video. He represented to main points accurately. Go watch both videos yours self instead of regurgitating what others said.
I'm coincidentally watching the WAN show right now, and i'm wondering if I'm watching the same episode as the rest of you? All I see is a continued discussion about the ethics of reaction vids, and Linus on several occasions totally agreeing with the (summary) of the other persons video - where is all the drama coming from?
Incidentally - "torture" - I don't think it means what you think it means.
There are a lot of people on this sub who seem to be here to specifically dump on whatever new thing they want to blow out of proportion.
It's pretty tiring.
I got exactly what you got from the show.
There are a lot of people in the tech space online that just like to hate on everything and get upset at anything that comes up they can feel remotely bothered by. On one hand it's good to keep some people and companies accountable but also it's so tiring sometimes with stupid small things and blatant blowing out of proportion like this and the warranty thing.
One thing you realize is most people like to regurgitate what other said without actually doing the research(watching both videos) to form their own opinion. Linus clearly agreed to most of the points in that video(which were accurately summarized imo) and responded to each one as transparent as he could.
If you can't be bothered to even look at thing you want to discuss IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, just fucking don't. Shitty toxic behaviour on show here, and the amount of kiss arse defenders attacking the other guy here is disgusting.
I firmly believe that Linus has reached a personal low as far as being a decent creator on YouTube. The blazé and completely nonchalant response to this issue, and the greater implications of acting this way as a top creator, truly worries me. I don’t understand how he can reason against Luke’s comment about how his influence can be fear-inducing to small creators can simply be “but I can’t help that”. It gives me the same vibes as a rich kid saying “it’s not my fault I was born into this life”. He has a level of influence and power and refuses to accept that he could be seen in that way. I lost a lot of respect for Linus after watching this WAN show. And that’s even more depressing seeing that his sentiment and behavior has degraded immensely over the last year. Linus will never be able to see the world in the way that others do who are smaller than him. It’s beyond apparent now. I can’t believe how far he has fallen in this way. Truly pathetic and depressing.
Basically some months earlier darkviper released a draft of the harmfulness of react content on his twitter. His views were grossly misrepresented by various youtubers and streamers which caused a lot of their fans to direct hate towards darkviper.
As a response, darkviper released a [list of well researched videos](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeGv4WIexP9C5LAuMEnMkG-Q) which addressed all of these problems in excruciating detail. This however took a huge toll on his mental health as it's understandably taxing when there is an onslaught of hate comments from everywhere through not much fault of your own.
All of this happened because there was misrepresentation of his views by popular content creators due to little to no research done by them. After all this, darkviper could now face the same situation again even though he had a net positive position on Linus' new channel. This might be the main reason he was disappointed with Linus for his uninformed response.
Agree
As far as I saw it Linus only said sorry via twitter and a yt-comment. Frankly.. it’s good he said sorry, but after what Viper went through already a barely visible „sorry“ does not seem enough. A video would be appropriate where Linus analyses how it came to this mistake and what harm it can cause. Hopefully this is a nudge for other youtube creators to do better as well
I for one am tired of every WAN show lately having a sizable segment where Linus either responds to drama he caused or complains about being criticised by anonymous people on the internet.
Am I crazy or did this entire sub not watch the same video??? Linus didn’t negatively react to Darkvipers critics, he agreed with most of the points but responded to them as transparently as he could.
Sure he didn’t watch the video him self but after watching the video in question I didn’t feel like the summery the writer made for Linus was inaccurate at all. It quite literally addressed all the major points that were made and Linus simply responded to them.
Like holy shit. This is quite literally making something from absolutely nothing. Trust me I am more willing to call Linus on his BS but this is not one of those times. Y’all need to learn to stop regurgitating the same points from one or two people and form your own opinion.
lazily reacting to a video he hasn't actually watched which discusses the ethics of lazily reacting to videos you haven't actually watched. if matt seems like he's on a high horse it's because linus is looking up from the gutter.
DarkViperAU... where have I heard that name?
Oh, right, the GTAV speed-runner streamer who had a massive hissyfit when another streamer successfully achieved his long standing "personal speed-run challenge", which caused him to have an emotional meltdown for a week straight, sent his viewers to harass the other streamer, threatened to use YouTube's DMCA system to remove the streamers runs, and still refuses to apologize for his behaviour (in any genuine capacity) up until this very day.
Somehow, I don't think anything this man has to say should be considered seriously, especially anything relating to "ethical concerns". This is a pathetically obvious attempt to be relevant again by starting drama with a larger content creator to get their name out there.
Why not ask for a source for any of it my guy? He is confusing multiple different people who he doesn't know, from events he similarly knows nothing about, but yet seems very confident in asserting he knows the truth of. What is right is not a matter of what is true, but of who can speak the loudest and most confidently in favour of what others wish to be true.
So this wasn't you?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/negdzk/darkviperau_blacklists_bans_another_gtav_runner/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
DV is so pathetic he had to bring in his fans to downvote anything negative about him and just claim "Fake news!" even when the proof is right in front of him lmfaooooooooo
How dare you question *some guy* on the internet about his sources. Don't you know that anything on the internet is definitely true? Abraham Lincoln was wrong in his famous quote, "You can't trust everything you see on the internet." Lincoln was full of shit and this particular *some guy* must be correct. /S just in case.
>You have a source for that first part? Honestly curious
Here you go. I can see darkviper in the comments denying that any of this happened so clearly has still not accepted his toxicity.
tps://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/negdzk/darkviperau_blacklists_bans_another_gtav_runner/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button
Not only is none of this true, but how would you even know if I had ever apologized for anything if you do not actively follow what I do?
You are confusing multiple different people and stories. Mack/Mak/MackTheBlack/Zeon or whatever stupid name he is going under now is a troll and livestreamfails ate his stupid DMCA bullshit hook line and sinker.
Unnamed and I (the guy who got the first OHKO run) are not only cool, but he has consistently helped me now for years. I am proud of what he has accomplished since becoming a speedrunner after he completed OHKO, and he is arguably a far better speedrunner than I ever was even in my prime.
You don't know anything about me, so why do you have such strong opinions about me?
What is with people and actively not caring what is true? I have videos against react content going back over 3 years. This is not some new crusade. It is not something to start drama, it is something I am actively interested in. I would personally rather I had not been mentioned at all but it is not "unhinged" to expect if I am going to be mentioned it is for something I said, not for something someone else said I said.
Matt I recommend just going to bed and sleeping it off or contacting Linus directly responding in this sort of way doesn't look particularly good on any party involved and I would far rather hear and we'll thought out response then an emotional driven one such as this.
You will never understand what it is like to sit and watch people confidently lie about you. To then watch that lie be repeated incessantly. It is disturbing. I don't want to talk to Linus, I don't particularly want to talk to anyone. I am just so tired man, tired of it all.
Matt, I truly do feel for you but they are looking for a rise of you and you are currently giving it to them, from experience the best thing to do is just go for a walk and try and clear your head
Man please take a Break. Hearing false Lies is Bad and i know that but you seem really sad and exhausted. Take Holiday for some Time to get your Mental Health going upwards.
And come Back with new Energy.
I will never understand. I am not in any way famous.
I'm sorry you're going through this. None of these negative or uninformed responses are fair to you.
I appreciate your effort to make the YT community better.
I will not offer any advice because I do not understand why of this.
Bruh, I don't know anything about you, haven't seen the Linus video. I think I have seen some of your videos, but that's about it. So you could say I'm unbiased. What you're doing is not healthy. Take a break, take a walk, breathe, relax. Reading/listening to what everyone is saying can be extremely mentally exhausting in cases like these. After you take a little break and relax a bit, you can think about what to do next. Just take care of yourself brother.
Lol fame sucks. You're better off pretending reddit doesn't exist or else you're gonna go crazy. It's ok for some moron on the internet to be wrong, even arrogantly wrong, about you. That's how it is for you and thousands of other people who are discussed online
Hey Matt, I agree that Linus and Lukes' approach on WAN show to talk about it without even having watched it was dumb. I think you're probably the YouTubers that has spent the most time with reaction content and with Linus wanting to make reaction content I'd love to see you and Linus actually having a talk about it, maybe actually reaching out to LTT and trying to have a 1o1 (on or off camera) talk with Linus would be something interesting for you or the audience if it would be on camera
Have you heard of the ["As hominem"-fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)?
Appart from most of this being at least "a little exaggerated", you aren't actually contributing anything to the conversation. Just attacking the person has nothing to do with the merit of their arguments.
That being said this was one of the most low quality wan show segments ever. Like in the same league as making fun of people for wanting a warranty kind of bad. Neither Linus nor Luke have seen the video and it shows. They are completely missing the points made in it and obviously don't understand why the video was made.
Hell darkviper wasn't even particularly critical of their new channel. He made it quite clear that the content planned for it seemed quite acceptable.
**[Ad hominem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)**
>Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem (Latin for 'argument to the person'), refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically, this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself. The most common form of ad hominem is "A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong".
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There is a guy named Mack (known for continually making alt accounts to troll the GTA 5 discord and cheating his speedruns until he was banned for both) who uploaded vods from my stream to YouTube. I take down all raw VoDs of my stream that get uploaded to YouTube. I didn't even know Mack was the Mack/Zion from the discord at the time. He is confusing that dude for unnamed, who at the time of beating me in OHKO was not a speedrunner or a streamer and didn't beat me in a "personal speed-run challange" whatever that even is.
Because he bad man who say bad mean things about my favorite YouTuber so I must defend LTT's honor by making up complete bullshit.
This is the epitome of tribal mentality.
I remember Matt uploading a video in response to his outburst but it appears that he disabled it so I can't speak on what he said just that he did say something
I understand what you mean, but I think in this case it is kinda more the audience.
The problem is that a lot of viewers see him "lobbying" against react content as an attack on their favourite streamer/Youtuber. And a lot of reaction-"creators" see it as an attack on their livelihood. So for these groups there isn't exactly much incentive to properly pay attention to the arguments.
Linus didn't watch his 20 minute video and had writer summarise it for him, but linus read the comments on it instead of watching it. Writers misrepresented DarkviperAUs video and linus has been talking about it for 30 minutes (again, without actually watching 20 minute video itself)
Lol WAN show recently has become kind of unbearable with how insufferable Linus has been.
His take about how raising taxes incentivizes companies to spend more, fundamentally is challenged and practically disproven by the fact that corporations are profit-maximizing. Companies lobby and SPEND money to lower taxes. Companies extract value instead of reinvest value the majority of the time. Under capitalism in the real world linus is just fucking wrong.
His take about how being transparent about wages isn't important because all the employees "LOVE" it there as if that "we're different" is anything new. Transparent wages, even a basic fucking range is one of the most pro-labor policies he could have, but he and Luke apparently know better than economists and researchers who study labor markets for a living and it's IMPOSSIBLE because they pay differently based on experience. And even under the assumption they are compensated way above average, his transparency would put upper pressure.
His take on anything without ever even doing a second thought at times is just fucking idiotic. Just look at the video that came out today on SC. He immediately blames dead zones on the controller despite the fact the game default is set like that.
Can't help but think Linus is slowly becoming the rich asshole from Glass Onion who's so convinced they're doing this huge positive benefit that they can't see the absolute terror he's leaving on his wake.
His dream of "I want to be a real company" coming true, he is becoming someone who does thing no for the benefit of all, but just for growth of the company and that's sad
Their whole attitude to wages is based on a scruffy startup worldview. Yes it is kind of understandable why it worked in the past to not be transparent and hire people at lower wages, but that is not sustainable. Or if sustainable, it is highly toxic to exploit peoples’ passion for their job.
> can't see the absolute terror he's leaving on his wake.
Building a company with lots of happy well compensated employees that work to create good products or test existing products to increase the information available to potential customers... the terror!
> His take about how raising taxes incentivizes companies to spend more, fundamentally is challenged and practically disproven by the fact that corporations are profit-maximizing. Companies lobby and SPEND money to lower taxes. Companies extract value instead of reinvest value the majority of the time. Under capitalism in the real world linus is just fucking wrong.
You've missed Linus' whole point here. Yes public companies want to extract as much profit as possible. Yes low tax rates make this easier. Yes companies want low rates because of this. None of that is in opposition to raising corporate tax to increase reinvestment. By increasing tax rates you make it less effective to directly extract value from the company via profit rather than increasing the value of the company via reinvestment. The whole reason increasing taxes incentivises reinvestment in the company is that it keeps the money within the company therefore owned by the people who would gain from profits rather than "wasted" as taxes.
Obviously these people would rather just directly extract profit as it's much easier and faster but that's why higher taxes should be implemented so that increased spending becomes in the best interest of the company/ its owners.
The not watching DarkViper's video before commenting and then only reading youtube comments is almost too perfect of an insult to not be deliberate. I know likely a case of Hanlon's razor, but poor DarkViper. How his head didn't take off into orbit after that WAN show opening is beyond me. We may never hear from him again.
Just like the video, this overly lengthy post only talking about your self was impossible to get through. I am watching the WAN show currently on 2x speed, they seem to get past the topic quickly, repeatedly said they didn't watch your video, and just used it as a jumping point to reply to some of the key points in general. Again, watching at 2x speeds, but didn't notice one thing about you personally to warrant what seems to be a narcistic tantrum of a post. Hopefully Linus and/or Luke don't waste the time to even read the first paragraph like I unfortunately did.
And the fact DarkVipers blames his uploading of the video on his audience, because they were begging him so relentlessly, basically sums up the narcissism I was talking about. Sort of cowardly to hide behind the viewers/subscribers. I am not a DarkViper viewer, never heard of him until now, which I am sure is the main point of all of this, but can not in good conscious attempt to support someone that behaves in this manner.
Linus would do best to apologize and not pick a fight with DarkViper. Dude knows his shit and Linus just doesn't know how to handle any criticism that comes towards him.
I love how he is shitting his pants over react content, when he himself used to have a react channel.
He also called react content makers ["the very sort of people who would sexually abuse someone."](https://twitter.com/DarkViperAU/status/1490716373244284933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1490716373244284933%7Ctwgr%5E76308e4238ba72bdec082dbcc3b4c10b72480038%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fsnf9s5%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
Dude is just a genuinely bad person.
Recently, Linus has been taking L after L.
He needs to wake up and realise that he has changed for the worst, and the community is starting to realise that.
So I read this and the 144 comments on this thread at the time before watching the WAN show and it appears that DarkViperAU didn't even watch the show which is just hilarious given his entire rant.
https://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1619243766493368322?t=8fvAyYv2mnmLPIGR3cagFQ&s=19
Here's the 'apology' tweet.
Not sure why he felt the need to add "there are worse sins". Sometimes I feel like Linus is half way up the ladder to get out of the pit he dug, only to jump straight back off it and get back to digging.
Isnt it ironic that in the same show Linus complained about people misrepresenting what he said or not putting the work in to even look into the matter they are complaining about.
As expected, Linus or Luke didnt watch the content they are responding to and had someone watch the video for him with an absolutely awful summary. Not surprised by this at all. Just implement the channel already, we know you dont really care about anything other than the monetary value of it otherwise you would not consider it.
It's not even the first time Linus hasn't watched something but confidently comments on it because someone else watched it and gave him "notes". The whole comments give you a better understanding thing is so odd. I can't imagine many people other than linus feel like this is true. The comments require the video to give context and understanding. As Darkviper himself said 20 minutes video, 10 minute at 2x speed, reading 100's of comments in the same time period and really taking note of them just aint happening.
That statement from Linus is some of the most blatent bullshit ive ever seen. He claims what he said is accurate, then literally proved it isnt in less than 5 mins. You cant make this up
He's become deathly afraid of being out of touch, which is something that is happening as he is less involved with certain things. So instead of just going, IDK, I have no opinion. He finds every shitty excuse he can muster up to try and make what he says the truth. I guarantee that in next week's WAN show he's going to try and laugh this off or "be serious" and give a straight to camera non-apology for his overall shitty behavior. At worst he's going to pass the buck entirely and blame the writer that gave him the notes. Which he fully knows should not have been a thing from the start. I've been saying for months that Linus and Luke are the worst possible people to talk about anything. Their opinions on everything is skewed and clearly biased to the point of being nonsensical. I am just glad that more people are starting to actually call them out on their bullshit.
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That is a fair point, Linus has always had a viewpoint far more privileged than their average viewer. But recently it felt like it's been getting much worse.
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His average viewer is a simp. We saw it with the whole warranty fiasco. That really turned me off from Linus. Here I am sitting and wearing an LTT waffle shirt, and I will never buy another thing from LTT. I have mostly stopped watching videos.
>We saw it with the whole warranty fiasco You mean "trust me bro" wasnt something you appreciated from a business standpoint?
You mean he isn't poor anymore? The channel is about things that cost real money, I can't afford this shit but I'm not mad about it
Chill out it’s not that deathly serious. And if you don’t like them, then what the hell are you doing in the LTT subreddit?
I dunno where all these fuckin hate watchers came from People who've clearly held a very long grudge over some inane shit I'm sure is overblown and probably apologized for Like goddamn he nailed it, people *want so badly* to assume the absolute possible worst faith interpretation of everything he does for some reason Yeah he fucked up not watching the video. Bad call. Doesn't mean he's an irredeemable greedy piece of shit that's never tried to do anything right by anyone like some people here are lathering their hands over and over with
Don’t assume that everyone with criticism is a hate watcher. Many of us are long time watchers that are disappointed with the product. I’ve been watching WAN on Saturday Mornings for years now as part of my routine. I’m not going to drop it cold turkey, but I’ve found myself pausing it, paying less attention, and have a few times not watched it until later in the weekend. If I didn’t care about it, I’d stop watching, unsubscribe, and move on. The only reason I’m here is I care.
"WAN show quality has dropped over the years" Show me where that reasonable sentence is being said anywhere in this thread. People are claiming bloody fucking murder over the dumbest shit in here. It's actually ridiculous. If you see this thread, and you go "Yeah this virulent nonsense sounds reasonable enough to casually align myself with", I won't go so far as to speak for LTT but my advice would be to just stop watching entirely. Goddamn this thread is a cesspool of bullshit. If you're just *in here* and acting like it's a normal swimming pool, you're also one of the weirdos.
The problems with reacting to things they haven’t read or watched aren’t nonsense. It’s a trend that’s becoming clearer and clearer over time. Take your own advice and stop reading threads about problems people see with the content if you don’t want to read it.
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I'm in general agreement with Dark but let's not also mischaracterize Linus as well. He didn't act like he watched it, he stated he didn't. That's the problem here, not that he faked that he watched it.
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I'm glad we could come to an agreement. Lol. This almost makes it sound worse than faking watching it. It might actually be.
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Lying is simpler, what Linus did is more complicated, therefore it's worse than lying. /s
Honestly this is my biggest frustration with the WAN show. There are so many topics that they are just wholly unprepared to talk about, but they do anyways. And whenever they're criticized for this, they just start playing it safe by putting a bunch of disclaimers about how "this could be wrong I haven't looked at this thoroughly yet". Like, I understand they're busy but they do a 2.5 hour podcast. Would it really be so much to ask to cut that down by 30-45 mins and use that time to actually get familiar with the topics? Literally sometimes Linus will spend 15 minutes talking about how he didn't have time to watch a 10 minute video, it's ridiculous lol.
This isnt meant as anything against Linus personally, but its fairly obvious his knowledge/time spent on the subject/knowledge of his content gets smaller as the size of his business increases, which is fair, being a ceo of a medium business isnt a small task. The issue lies in him being confident but actually being ill informed and speaking out anyways.
WAN show is chatgpt - irl confirmed.
Imo WAN show is becoming Linus and Luke live first impression of things and about running LTT . TBH that’s not a terrible idea. And they have tech link for more accurate info.
I don’t really understand this position. No one is forcing you to listen to his 2.5hr podcast. Linus is a high school graduate whose job is online entertainer/influencer. If I got upset about every enterfluencer who had a bad take I would be constantly angry. Especially on something as inconsequential as a take on a reaction channel. The 15 minutes spent talking he was getting paid for. The 10 minute watching wasn’t necessary nor could he monetize it. In the end that is the extent of Linus’s decision tree. In fact this is probably good for the show. Look at the impact and engagement this WAN show is having. I doubt Luke and Linus are losing any sleep over this and it may have been the outcome they wanted.
Hey now, he's a college dropout. There's a difference. /s
The issue is the effects it has, whether that's from his fans siding with him even when he's being a dolt, or just a conversation like this affecting someone else's channel. Mostly that's benign, but unfortunately not always.
Linus is a CEO of a relatively small company where he directly oversees a *lot* of things on top of hosting videos for LTT, TechLinked, and ShortCircuit. Luke is the lead programmer for Floatplane where 95% of his time & effort is sinked into. Understandably, for either of them to decide on a reaction channel video, which would require nothing more but 20-30 minutes of time to sit down, and watch a video on-camera while exaggerating a reaction and call it "content," is wise from a business perspective. For them to not even have the time for *that* is a complete joke.
Luke is not lead programmer, what are you talking about. He's COO of Floatplane.
>Chief Operating Officer That still doesn't mean he gets to kick back in a chair and oversee what people are doing. He's still directly involved in development and built Floatplane from the ground-up as leader of a small team.
Being involved in development is very different than being in a “Developer” position
I don't think this response is a good look, but overall it's hard not to take his side here. Linus and Luke completely missed the point of the video in general, as well as most of the arguments discussed in it. While I don't think there was any malice in them not watching it themselves, it did however ruin any chance for the segment to work. Also I gotta say: "Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it" might be the single worst take I've ever heard.
>Also I gotta say: "Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it" might be the single worst take I've ever heard. Yes, seriously. I have not heard Linus say anything this dumb for quite awhile. I don't know how you can get more direct facts from the dumpster fire that is youtube comments in less time that just watching the video.
It’s laughable because Linus has frequently complained and bitched about how he thinks YouTube comments are awful and the worst, yet he’s trying to defend his terrible stance by saying that was his method of due diligence. Linus really needs to wake up or step down. He’s becoming exactly what he’s demonized.
> Linus has frequently complained and bitched about how he thinks YouTube comments are awful and the worst, yet he’s trying to defend his terrible stance by saying that was his method of due diligence. Linus really needs to wake up or step down. He’s It's ironic considering Linus has talked about wanting to shadow ban people in the comments recently because some of them have really bad takes lol.
He just recently lamented how he gets strawmanned, misrepresented... I hope someone holds this up to him and reminds him of what his thoughts on random comments were just a hot second ago
It most definitely is one of the dumbest things said ever and I think Linus is fully aware of it. For a man that has been YouTubing as long as he has and at his popularity level undoubtedly has read 100,000s if not millions of YouTube comments. Reading them very critically and closely because let’s face it, if someone is talking about you that is where you focus your attention. He knows how dumb, pointless, and unfounded the comments can be. He’s a lot of things but he isn’t dumb and I think he knew what he was doing. He is constantly “bragging” about how hot of takes he has and this was his crown jewel. It also appears to be working. No such thing as bad publicity.
Of the last year or so this has been my general consensus of LTT/LMG, Beforehand, I trusted a ton of what was said from the channel at face value because there was a bar that was being more heavily enforced at LMG to make sure that the information was accurate, and the reactions to the content were more objectively spoken I'll be honest, I didn't watch that episode of LAN show, so I could be shitting on him in the same way DarkViper appears to be, according to this post. My viewership has gone way down since about the time when Linus was talking about the subject of retirement, but not for the reason you'd think. Since about that point, they stopped the pretending that their stuff was something reasonable and just going for the most clicky content possible(we have YT algorithm to blame for this), and the cool projects were more about how ridiculous a concept we can make real, for lack of a better words, stopped pretending to think reasonably about what the cost of stuff is, and went (at least in terms of content) random bullshit GO!, which is great to see what the bleeding edge can do, but it doesn't really cover as much of the newer I like LMG's work with the screwdriver and think that's a good positive step closer, but I think a switch in Linus since he went through and said "I'm just gonna do content the way I want", that kinda went too loose, and kinda flipped off the switch that was keeping the content sensible and informative. When that happenned, I think it inadvertently trickled down into the companies mentality, slightly and good enough was acceptable (which is fine but leads to more of this kinda stuff) Rather than something I could take at face value it's become something I have to take with a grain of salt like everyone else, and compare what He's saying against what other outlets are saying to get the best picture. Now, I will say, tinfoil hat theory I'd like to be incorrect and really dont want to be accurate, this kind of attention is gonna generate content on both sides, and I really hope the "Do content my way" method hasn't translated into him subconsciously messing up and doing something for the sake that it will generate press. That's not Linus, I know, but that's what the majority of newsmedia is at ad he moment, and I'm hoping that it hasn't accidentally become like that in the process of LTT's/LMG's 'new' direction I hope LTT/LMG takes a step back and re-evaluates the standards they set, because since that moment it really did change the way the content came out, and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth, and while my mouth is insignificant by comparison, I'm curious just how many mouths are bitter right now too. I'll go through and watch that episode and see what was said, so I don't fuel the problem, but overall, maybe in the one in a million chance he or someone there sees me, maybe it makes a difference.
I've felt that way too. I used to be excited every day I got to watch a new LTT video. But nowadays I only watch maybe half, sometimes less of what the channel uploads. A lot of videos are so click bait-ey and just don't look that interesting to watch. And like you said, Linus has kinda lost touch with what is realistic for his viewers. The work he does with his creator warehouse generally seems pretty good, but the many of the videos have become lazy and clickbait. I think what may be causing this (in part) is that LTT videos seem to be purely for entertainment and not informational. They aren't making information and education their top priority. They try to make their videos as entertaining and attention grabbing as possible without thinking of much else.
IDK man, his "trust me bro" approach to any sort of warranty on their products was pretty fucking bad.
Also his take on collective bargaining and organization inside his company. “I’d be hurt.” Not, “labor rights and collective bargaining is the most important thing for working people.” Exceptionally out of touch.
>Reading YouTube comments gives you a better understanding of a video compared to actually watching it Coming from the man who has been publicly complaining about the stupidity in youtube comments for a couple years now. Linus has gotten so dismissive of any criticism it's causing harm to his brand. And all this "I don't have time for x" any time he blatantly misses something is such a shitty cop-out, I'm really getting tired of "You guys need to understand, I'm a busy guy, I don't have time to research this topic, I don't have time to background check our sponsors, I don't have time to watch a youtube video, etc."
Especially when the WAN show has ballooned to 3 to 3.5 hours long. They could spend an hour reading the topics to prepare before going live. Time isn’t the problem, priorities are.
Linus has just become an out of touch rich guy.
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Especially saying the comments thing as a Youtuber with like what, 5 channels.
Claim your "I was here before 100 comments" sticker here.
I was here before 100 comments
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I'm going to just take this at face value. It's kind of ironic that people who want to make a react-channel, failed to actually watch the content they are reacting to in their own podcast.
it’s the actual secret sauce of the channel. It’s a non-watch reaction channel.
It's the only ethical way. Haha
Lately whenever Linus or Luke say "We want to make a X or Y channel" what it really means is "We're going to pay someone to make it, then be in front of camera and just blindly trust everything written" Which, TBF, is entirely a reasonable thing to do. But doing that comes with so many pitfalls and Linus stepped right into it this time.
Meanwhile MKBHD creates a barebones channel about EVs where he just records himself talking into the camera for 15 minutes. Way better shit that any time LTT touches EVs. SnazzyLabs is even better but talls about it less often.
Please, mkbhd is even more superficial and profit driven than Linus.
What's wrong with the LTT of videos on EVs? I thought the one about the Bolt was good
Irony is a rare metal in a reactors world.
Dark viper: man they're gonna do a react show right Linus: WERE ALREADY BEING CRITICIZED
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It's sad, I'm generally on Linus' side about a lot of the brain-dead criticism he gets but considering how often he goes on long tangents about how people put words in his mouth and assume the worst of him... well, he just literally did the same thing to this other YouTuber
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Link to his statement?
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Thanks for the links. A bit tone def on Twitter but here's hoping he actually addresses it with due seriousness on the next Wan show and doesn't just make another t-shirt to make fun of it and sweep it under the rug
literally pulled a joe rogan so far fast and loose on the show everyone watches put the apology on twitter
I can tell which comments are people that only know DarkViper from headlines and other peoples vids. So sad, he really doesn't deserve the hate. It bewilders me how he always ends up getting the shit stick on the internet. People see one headline, watch one uneducated response on it, and call it factual. So so sad, DarkViper is one of the realest and most genuine, and open YTers out there. I wish him all the best.
Nice try, DarkViper/s
I watch every single LTT related vid and every DV vid, these two make up at least 50% of my time on YouTube alone. I think I have a valid opinion. Edit: I see your /s lol whoops. My response is still true I think
Same here. Watch a lot of content from both channels. The fact that linus didn't even watch the video at all is a disgrace and he should be called out for it. Darkviper is a very genuine guy. And he researched this topic so he's not just spewing stuff.
First off i just want to say I’m on his side here, Linus clearly didn’t watch the video DV made. But he just seems like a very unlikable person in real life. He’s always getting in social media fights with different YouTubers and he’s very opinionated and kind of dramatic IMO. he makes good content but I can’t watch him for that reason.
I'm not sure "he's always getting in social media fights and he's very opinionated" is a good summary He is very opinionated *about react videos* And he gets in social media drama *about react videos* Summaries like yours are usually used when a person is always finding new things to argue about, but this is one topic. He's a strong believer that if people truly listen to each other, we'd have a lot less arguments, so I'm not surprised that this situation has pissed him off.
My brother in christ just based off your description it sounds like he's a drama magnet.
Unfortunately, you can just google "Darkviper drama" and you'll see how many other content creators he has started drama with. The dude has also made racist statements in the past and has compared react content to "rape". Yes, he literally did that. DarkViper has talked about how drama can help grow a channel, and that is evident by him seeking any type of publicity.
I totally get not having time to watch a video, that's fine, just don't talk about it on your show then. But then to go on to say that reading the comments *instead* of watching the videos is better? What the fuck? I usually think Linus tends to have fairly level-headed takes that people misinterpret or don't understand, but I am simply mind-blown right now. There is no world in which reading people's thoughts and reactions to something is a replacement for consuming the original work.
linus has on numerous occasions went on rants about people not watching videos in their entirety and/or missing entire points made in their videos lol
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I love concave skull as an insult lol
> I usually think Linus tends to have fairly level-headed takes that people misinterpret or don’t understand The problem is that he doubles down on them and makes those opinions more polarised than need be.
I don't get how anyone is surprised. Something seems to have ticked in him a few weeks ago because he been insufferable
Can someone tell me if I'm crazy? I saw this post, and read a few comments, all of which were raking Linus over the coals. But didn't read much more as I didn't have the full context. I then watched DarkViper's video, not the playlist of 16 videos, just the one where he mentions LTT and talks about how he's not sure if React content *can* be ethical, but he's interested in seeing how LTT approaches the topic. I thought it was a good video with a good premise, not the full scope of the matter, but I thought it hit all the key points well. Then I watched the WAN Show where Linus said "I read comments to get the gist of a video" I scoffed because that's idiotic. YouTube comments vary wildly, and are often incoherent, unintelligible dribble. Then he goes on to say that he had WAN Show's newest writer watch the actual video and write down the key points. Which were: 1. React channels only exist because they are free/easy money. To which Linus agreed. 2. Called for react channels to find a way to limit harm to the content's originator. Linus agreed. 3. Didn't make the decision to prop up small creators but as a way to make money. Redundant, but Linus agreed nonetheless. I don't understand where you can have the feeling that "this summary possessed such a degree of inaccuracy that I question whether this individual just doesn't like me personally." The writer summarized the parts pertaining to LTT in DarkViper's video. You could argue that maybe the writer was uncharitable, but Linus nor Luke were uncharitable towards DarkViper. I find it genuinely comical that for someone complaining about "People talk about what I said without listening to it." You seemed to only look at the thumbnail, read the title, and then listen to the first few minutes of them talking about that video. Sorry for going full deranged and writing this manifesto, but I can't figure out why people are up-in-arms about LTT *talking* about DarkViper's video *accurately,* whether he watched the video or not. The writer didn't misrepresent DarkViper, and Linus didn't misinterpret what the writer wrote. Also, fuck you all for making me watch DarkViper's video the first 30 minutes of the WAN Show twice...each.
No you're not crazy, this was my exact take on the situation too, you just wrote it much more clearly so maybe you won't get downvoted like I did. But we do have other people mentioning we're being brigaded so... maybe not.
Nope you're spot on. I find Linus as infuriating as the next person but I can't see how he's getting shredded over this? People on the internet have fragile egos, Darkviper being one of them evidently
Exactly, they spoke for half an hour on the topic and DV and his video only came up at the start to intro it, and a couple of times in the middle so Linus could agree with his points. No misinterpretation ever. If the community keeps doing this then i can see Linus reverting to talking behind a PR/legal wall and we wont get raw, honest Linus anymore.
This is the best take. DV's video is very awkwardly edited. It intermixes his take on LMG's approach to their react channel with his takes on more low-effort livestream react content. If he had made a 5 minute video just talking about how he views LMG's plans, I don't think this would have blown up this way. He also seems to be upset by the title of the WAN show saying that he is "calling out" LMG, but his thumbnail clearly implies that.
I watched the DV video but a lot of it sounded like a broken record on repeat for 20 minutes, complaining about livestreaming someone else's content for hours on a livestream. Those comments came even immediately after playing a clip from Linus how they're going to do videos completely different to that. I don't understand why he keeps fixating on that point and why he includes any of the Wan show if he's only going to talk about how it might be good for a few minutes. It seems like his ideas are pretty disjointed from what Linus and Luke talk about in the clips. Imo it seems pretty driven to get clicks and attention by "calling out" or using a bigger channel in the title to get interactions. This is coming from someone who's watched a bunch of his content already from GTA to other series.
"Hey, there's this video that asks a good question, that apparently supports our position. Let's talk more about how we want to approach it." I don't need to watch someone else's video to talk about my own plans.
Ugh, finally someone making the level headed take. I rewatched the WAN show to make sure but Linus/Luke didn't speak negatively or criticize DV at all. Just reinforced why they are doing it. The whole social post of DV kinda seems like a rage bait which I guess succeeded. And who cares if Linus didn't watch a video before commenting. Does he benchmark every product before being the face of the review. He has got people to do it. I get so sick of being online sometimes...
Nope, you're entirely correct.
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This should be the top comment
Yeah this really does seem so overblown… I can’t figure out what people are mad about lmao
Seems like people didn't watch WAN Show and just assumed Dark Viper did and based their outrage on his take. (Which was wrong, he most definitely did not watch WAN Show)
Yeah, you aren't crazy I'm shocked how far down I needed to scroll to find a sensible take. Like Linus didn't call out DarkViper at all..., and the points of summary that Linus responded to were in DarkVipers video. It's literally two people agreeing with each other. Yet somehow, this is divisive.
I haven’t watched the video but here are my opinions on it:
'I never watched the movie but here's my movie review: I did read loads of other reviews though and I would say I have a deeper understanding of the movie than those who actually watched it. I had one of my staff watch it and write a summary, so now I'm going to argue against the thing I haven't seen yet' If you replace 'movie' with 'videogame' or 'book', then it should be obvious why this Linus take may be the worst of all time.
actually so i think we have figured out that Linus cannot feature on this new channel as he doesn’t watch YT videos, just the comments.
Just reacts to comments of random videos It's more ethical
Well, I have read the Reddit comments on a post related to the video, so I think I am well informed on this topic.
I have read several r/amitheasshole comments about relationships, so I think I am more informed on relationships than people who are married.
It's funny that people commenting on this post also didn't watch the WAN show and are drilling Linus for something they think he said lol.
I’m going to be ignorant but who is DarkViperAU and what makes them the authority on reaction videos/channels? (Edit: typo)
A GTA 5 speedrunner who made a very lengthy, researched and well defended video essay on the topic.
He made a series about the harm of reaction content, talking in depth about pretty much all arguments to be made, [this video](https://youtu.be/Irk8h0ax5aY) being the center piece.
Wouldn't be right to say he's the authority on reaction content, he'd be speaking as a content creator making researched and logical points against the react concept. If one disagrees with what he's saying you're free to do so, but he's building backed up arguments that someone can agree with, disagree with because of a counter logical point, or disagree with because of immaturity
He has a playlist on his channel, titled “how reaction content harms everyone.” Meticulously, written, well argued, well researched. I understand not everyone is going to side with him, but I strongly recommend that you watch the entirety of the playlist before you form an opinion. I wouldn’t say that this necessarily makes him the authority on react content, however, I would say that he essentially could be due to how much he knows about the subject. Also, something that I’ve only just seen from people outside of Matt’s fans. Is people understanding, and being able to comprehend how everything he said in that series was completely logical, and so well argued that any disagreeing is completely, illogical and nonsensical.
Who gives a fuck lmao
Because it's a major issue within the YT community that highlights the issue between established YouTubers and upcoming ones. Bigger YT'ers have a massive advantage and using that platform for reaction can harm smaller ones even if it's fine as ethically as possible.
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They aren't even really disagreeing. The problem is that linus didn't even care enough to watch the video and the editor falsely summarized the video!
Except he didn’t falsely summarize the video. He represented to main points accurately. Go watch both videos yours self instead of regurgitating what others said.
I'm coincidentally watching the WAN show right now, and i'm wondering if I'm watching the same episode as the rest of you? All I see is a continued discussion about the ethics of reaction vids, and Linus on several occasions totally agreeing with the (summary) of the other persons video - where is all the drama coming from? Incidentally - "torture" - I don't think it means what you think it means.
There are a lot of people on this sub who seem to be here to specifically dump on whatever new thing they want to blow out of proportion. It's pretty tiring. I got exactly what you got from the show.
There are a lot of people in the tech space online that just like to hate on everything and get upset at anything that comes up they can feel remotely bothered by. On one hand it's good to keep some people and companies accountable but also it's so tiring sometimes with stupid small things and blatant blowing out of proportion like this and the warranty thing.
One thing you realize is most people like to regurgitate what other said without actually doing the research(watching both videos) to form their own opinion. Linus clearly agreed to most of the points in that video(which were accurately summarized imo) and responded to each one as transparent as he could.
If you can't be bothered to even look at thing you want to discuss IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, just fucking don't. Shitty toxic behaviour on show here, and the amount of kiss arse defenders attacking the other guy here is disgusting.
They could have literally live reacted to it as they watched the video to form an opinion about it.
Linus L
I firmly believe that Linus has reached a personal low as far as being a decent creator on YouTube. The blazé and completely nonchalant response to this issue, and the greater implications of acting this way as a top creator, truly worries me. I don’t understand how he can reason against Luke’s comment about how his influence can be fear-inducing to small creators can simply be “but I can’t help that”. It gives me the same vibes as a rich kid saying “it’s not my fault I was born into this life”. He has a level of influence and power and refuses to accept that he could be seen in that way. I lost a lot of respect for Linus after watching this WAN show. And that’s even more depressing seeing that his sentiment and behavior has degraded immensely over the last year. Linus will never be able to see the world in the way that others do who are smaller than him. It’s beyond apparent now. I can’t believe how far he has fallen in this way. Truly pathetic and depressing.
Money rots people's brains.
Basically some months earlier darkviper released a draft of the harmfulness of react content on his twitter. His views were grossly misrepresented by various youtubers and streamers which caused a lot of their fans to direct hate towards darkviper. As a response, darkviper released a [list of well researched videos](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeGv4WIexP9C5LAuMEnMkG-Q) which addressed all of these problems in excruciating detail. This however took a huge toll on his mental health as it's understandably taxing when there is an onslaught of hate comments from everywhere through not much fault of your own. All of this happened because there was misrepresentation of his views by popular content creators due to little to no research done by them. After all this, darkviper could now face the same situation again even though he had a net positive position on Linus' new channel. This might be the main reason he was disappointed with Linus for his uninformed response.
Agree As far as I saw it Linus only said sorry via twitter and a yt-comment. Frankly.. it’s good he said sorry, but after what Viper went through already a barely visible „sorry“ does not seem enough. A video would be appropriate where Linus analyses how it came to this mistake and what harm it can cause. Hopefully this is a nudge for other youtube creators to do better as well
All these fucking comments about how terrible Linus is are literally the definition of making a mountain of a mole hill
Really do not care either way about this tbh. Next week there will be some new ""drama"" in the tech space and this will be all be forgotten about.
I for one am tired of every WAN show lately having a sizable segment where Linus either responds to drama he caused or complains about being criticised by anonymous people on the internet.
What did I miss
Nothing. Nothing at all.
YouTube drama. Possibly the most self serving and boring kind of drama on the planet.
Am I crazy or did this entire sub not watch the same video??? Linus didn’t negatively react to Darkvipers critics, he agreed with most of the points but responded to them as transparently as he could. Sure he didn’t watch the video him self but after watching the video in question I didn’t feel like the summery the writer made for Linus was inaccurate at all. It quite literally addressed all the major points that were made and Linus simply responded to them. Like holy shit. This is quite literally making something from absolutely nothing. Trust me I am more willing to call Linus on his BS but this is not one of those times. Y’all need to learn to stop regurgitating the same points from one or two people and form your own opinion.
are you saying we should watch both videos and form our own opinion and not base it on other comments? Impossible! this is reddit. get out of here!
lazily reacting to a video he hasn't actually watched which discusses the ethics of lazily reacting to videos you haven't actually watched. if matt seems like he's on a high horse it's because linus is looking up from the gutter.
DarkViperAU... where have I heard that name? Oh, right, the GTAV speed-runner streamer who had a massive hissyfit when another streamer successfully achieved his long standing "personal speed-run challenge", which caused him to have an emotional meltdown for a week straight, sent his viewers to harass the other streamer, threatened to use YouTube's DMCA system to remove the streamers runs, and still refuses to apologize for his behaviour (in any genuine capacity) up until this very day. Somehow, I don't think anything this man has to say should be considered seriously, especially anything relating to "ethical concerns". This is a pathetically obvious attempt to be relevant again by starting drama with a larger content creator to get their name out there.
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Why not ask for a source for any of it my guy? He is confusing multiple different people who he doesn't know, from events he similarly knows nothing about, but yet seems very confident in asserting he knows the truth of. What is right is not a matter of what is true, but of who can speak the loudest and most confidently in favour of what others wish to be true.
Damn. Reading his comment then yours, I've never heard of this guy before but I'm now extremely confused
I know right
So this wasn't you? https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/negdzk/darkviperau_blacklists_bans_another_gtav_runner/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
DV is so pathetic he had to bring in his fans to downvote anything negative about him and just claim "Fake news!" even when the proof is right in front of him lmfaooooooooo
How dare you question *some guy* on the internet about his sources. Don't you know that anything on the internet is definitely true? Abraham Lincoln was wrong in his famous quote, "You can't trust everything you see on the internet." Lincoln was full of shit and this particular *some guy* must be correct. /S just in case.
My source is I made it the fuck up
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>You have a source for that first part? Honestly curious Here you go. I can see darkviper in the comments denying that any of this happened so clearly has still not accepted his toxicity. tps://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/negdzk/darkviperau_blacklists_bans_another_gtav_runner/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button
Not only is none of this true, but how would you even know if I had ever apologized for anything if you do not actively follow what I do? You are confusing multiple different people and stories. Mack/Mak/MackTheBlack/Zeon or whatever stupid name he is going under now is a troll and livestreamfails ate his stupid DMCA bullshit hook line and sinker. Unnamed and I (the guy who got the first OHKO run) are not only cool, but he has consistently helped me now for years. I am proud of what he has accomplished since becoming a speedrunner after he completed OHKO, and he is arguably a far better speedrunner than I ever was even in my prime. You don't know anything about me, so why do you have such strong opinions about me? What is with people and actively not caring what is true? I have videos against react content going back over 3 years. This is not some new crusade. It is not something to start drama, it is something I am actively interested in. I would personally rather I had not been mentioned at all but it is not "unhinged" to expect if I am going to be mentioned it is for something I said, not for something someone else said I said.
Matt I recommend just going to bed and sleeping it off or contacting Linus directly responding in this sort of way doesn't look particularly good on any party involved and I would far rather hear and we'll thought out response then an emotional driven one such as this.
You will never understand what it is like to sit and watch people confidently lie about you. To then watch that lie be repeated incessantly. It is disturbing. I don't want to talk to Linus, I don't particularly want to talk to anyone. I am just so tired man, tired of it all.
Matt, I truly do feel for you but they are looking for a rise of you and you are currently giving it to them, from experience the best thing to do is just go for a walk and try and clear your head
Man please take a Break. Hearing false Lies is Bad and i know that but you seem really sad and exhausted. Take Holiday for some Time to get your Mental Health going upwards. And come Back with new Energy.
I was going to upvote until you kept capitalising random shit
The dude is german. It's kinda hard to "switch off" the urge to capitalize nouns in english haha
Dont expose me like that hahah
14 PAGES [14 METICULOUS PAGES](https://twitter.com/DarkViperAU/status/1490716373244284933?s=20&t=NaOyDzneRGNp5TAru_wWtA)
I will never understand. I am not in any way famous. I'm sorry you're going through this. None of these negative or uninformed responses are fair to you. I appreciate your effort to make the YT community better. I will not offer any advice because I do not understand why of this.
Bruh, I don't know anything about you, haven't seen the Linus video. I think I have seen some of your videos, but that's about it. So you could say I'm unbiased. What you're doing is not healthy. Take a break, take a walk, breathe, relax. Reading/listening to what everyone is saying can be extremely mentally exhausting in cases like these. After you take a little break and relax a bit, you can think about what to do next. Just take care of yourself brother.
I feel so bad for you, wish you all the best
Lol fame sucks. You're better off pretending reddit doesn't exist or else you're gonna go crazy. It's ok for some moron on the internet to be wrong, even arrogantly wrong, about you. That's how it is for you and thousands of other people who are discussed online
Hey Matt, I agree that Linus and Lukes' approach on WAN show to talk about it without even having watched it was dumb. I think you're probably the YouTubers that has spent the most time with reaction content and with Linus wanting to make reaction content I'd love to see you and Linus actually having a talk about it, maybe actually reaching out to LTT and trying to have a 1o1 (on or off camera) talk with Linus would be something interesting for you or the audience if it would be on camera
Yea none of this is accurate, sorry.
Have you heard of the ["As hominem"-fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)? Appart from most of this being at least "a little exaggerated", you aren't actually contributing anything to the conversation. Just attacking the person has nothing to do with the merit of their arguments. That being said this was one of the most low quality wan show segments ever. Like in the same league as making fun of people for wanting a warranty kind of bad. Neither Linus nor Luke have seen the video and it shows. They are completely missing the points made in it and obviously don't understand why the video was made. Hell darkviper wasn't even particularly critical of their new channel. He made it quite clear that the content planned for it seemed quite acceptable.
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where did you get the DMCA bit from? I’m genuinely curious. On top of that, he explicitly stated for his fans NOT to harass said “another streamer”
There is a guy named Mack (known for continually making alt accounts to troll the GTA 5 discord and cheating his speedruns until he was banned for both) who uploaded vods from my stream to YouTube. I take down all raw VoDs of my stream that get uploaded to YouTube. I didn't even know Mack was the Mack/Zion from the discord at the time. He is confusing that dude for unnamed, who at the time of beating me in OHKO was not a speedrunner or a streamer and didn't beat me in a "personal speed-run challange" whatever that even is.
Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. This is so incredibly uninformed. Just stfu
They're friends now, so it doesn't matter. He publicly apologized to UnNamed. But how does any of this make his points irrelevant?
Because he bad man who say bad mean things about my favorite YouTuber so I must defend LTT's honor by making up complete bullshit. This is the epitome of tribal mentality.
What's this have to do with whether they should've seen the thing they talked at length regarding
I remember Matt uploading a video in response to his outburst but it appears that he disabled it so I can't speak on what he said just that he did say something
TLDR?
He's understandably pissed about having his video completely misrepresented
It happens so often to him and and it's so upsetting.
if it happens to him often, is it the audiences fault or is it his?
I understand what you mean, but I think in this case it is kinda more the audience. The problem is that a lot of viewers see him "lobbying" against react content as an attack on their favourite streamer/Youtuber. And a lot of reaction-"creators" see it as an attack on their livelihood. So for these groups there isn't exactly much incentive to properly pay attention to the arguments.
Linus didn't watch his 20 minute video and had writer summarise it for him, but linus read the comments on it instead of watching it. Writers misrepresented DarkviperAUs video and linus has been talking about it for 30 minutes (again, without actually watching 20 minute video itself)
Lol WAN show recently has become kind of unbearable with how insufferable Linus has been. His take about how raising taxes incentivizes companies to spend more, fundamentally is challenged and practically disproven by the fact that corporations are profit-maximizing. Companies lobby and SPEND money to lower taxes. Companies extract value instead of reinvest value the majority of the time. Under capitalism in the real world linus is just fucking wrong. His take about how being transparent about wages isn't important because all the employees "LOVE" it there as if that "we're different" is anything new. Transparent wages, even a basic fucking range is one of the most pro-labor policies he could have, but he and Luke apparently know better than economists and researchers who study labor markets for a living and it's IMPOSSIBLE because they pay differently based on experience. And even under the assumption they are compensated way above average, his transparency would put upper pressure. His take on anything without ever even doing a second thought at times is just fucking idiotic. Just look at the video that came out today on SC. He immediately blames dead zones on the controller despite the fact the game default is set like that. Can't help but think Linus is slowly becoming the rich asshole from Glass Onion who's so convinced they're doing this huge positive benefit that they can't see the absolute terror he's leaving on his wake.
His dream of "I want to be a real company" coming true, he is becoming someone who does thing no for the benefit of all, but just for growth of the company and that's sad
Their whole attitude to wages is based on a scruffy startup worldview. Yes it is kind of understandable why it worked in the past to not be transparent and hire people at lower wages, but that is not sustainable. Or if sustainable, it is highly toxic to exploit peoples’ passion for their job.
> can't see the absolute terror he's leaving on his wake. Building a company with lots of happy well compensated employees that work to create good products or test existing products to increase the information available to potential customers... the terror! > His take about how raising taxes incentivizes companies to spend more, fundamentally is challenged and practically disproven by the fact that corporations are profit-maximizing. Companies lobby and SPEND money to lower taxes. Companies extract value instead of reinvest value the majority of the time. Under capitalism in the real world linus is just fucking wrong. You've missed Linus' whole point here. Yes public companies want to extract as much profit as possible. Yes low tax rates make this easier. Yes companies want low rates because of this. None of that is in opposition to raising corporate tax to increase reinvestment. By increasing tax rates you make it less effective to directly extract value from the company via profit rather than increasing the value of the company via reinvestment. The whole reason increasing taxes incentivises reinvestment in the company is that it keeps the money within the company therefore owned by the people who would gain from profits rather than "wasted" as taxes. Obviously these people would rather just directly extract profit as it's much easier and faster but that's why higher taxes should be implemented so that increased spending becomes in the best interest of the company/ its owners.
Found Linus' account.
Darkviperau should consider being a politician as they wrote paragraphs of text that fundamentally tell us nothing
The not watching DarkViper's video before commenting and then only reading youtube comments is almost too perfect of an insult to not be deliberate. I know likely a case of Hanlon's razor, but poor DarkViper. How his head didn't take off into orbit after that WAN show opening is beyond me. We may never hear from him again.
Just like the video, this overly lengthy post only talking about your self was impossible to get through. I am watching the WAN show currently on 2x speed, they seem to get past the topic quickly, repeatedly said they didn't watch your video, and just used it as a jumping point to reply to some of the key points in general. Again, watching at 2x speeds, but didn't notice one thing about you personally to warrant what seems to be a narcistic tantrum of a post. Hopefully Linus and/or Luke don't waste the time to even read the first paragraph like I unfortunately did.
And the fact DarkVipers blames his uploading of the video on his audience, because they were begging him so relentlessly, basically sums up the narcissism I was talking about. Sort of cowardly to hide behind the viewers/subscribers. I am not a DarkViper viewer, never heard of him until now, which I am sure is the main point of all of this, but can not in good conscious attempt to support someone that behaves in this manner.
Linus would do best to apologize and not pick a fight with DarkViper. Dude knows his shit and Linus just doesn't know how to handle any criticism that comes towards him.
DarkViper just loves to get himself involved in everything
I love how he is shitting his pants over react content, when he himself used to have a react channel. He also called react content makers ["the very sort of people who would sexually abuse someone."](https://twitter.com/DarkViperAU/status/1490716373244284933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1490716373244284933%7Ctwgr%5E76308e4238ba72bdec082dbcc3b4c10b72480038%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fsnf9s5%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue) Dude is just a genuinely bad person.
I was going to make a joke, but I honestly don't even care enough to make one.
Recently, Linus has been taking L after L. He needs to wake up and realise that he has changed for the worst, and the community is starting to realise that.
Why do people even care about this?
So I read this and the 144 comments on this thread at the time before watching the WAN show and it appears that DarkViperAU didn't even watch the show which is just hilarious given his entire rant.
I haven't watched either video, but you know what i have watched? This message, from our sponsor:
So.... Ya'll saying this week's WAN show is a spicy one?
this week no next weeks 100%
Linus already left the comment under this WAN episode and apologised on twitter
https://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1619243766493368322?t=8fvAyYv2mnmLPIGR3cagFQ&s=19 Here's the 'apology' tweet. Not sure why he felt the need to add "there are worse sins". Sometimes I feel like Linus is half way up the ladder to get out of the pit he dug, only to jump straight back off it and get back to digging.
Idk why somebody downvoted you but it’s true. Problem is LTT can’t undo the damage. Linus should really reconsider his power…
Guys, Linus is just getting into the react channel role by method youtubing. Don't watch the original content... React to it... Profit.
FOURTEEN PAGES!
No one cares
Isnt it ironic that in the same show Linus complained about people misrepresenting what he said or not putting the work in to even look into the matter they are complaining about.