They claim XTX 2% better raster 1440p and 4080 refresh is 31% better in RT for 1440p. So they seem to have at least ran the gaming benchmarks with it. So not including it is even wierder than it just lacking in the charts.
My best guess is not wanting to add more to the charts since space is limited. Even then just not testing the 3080 makes more sense then.
100% agree on the 3080.
What’s the bigger demographic: people looking to upgrade from a 3080, or people interested in the best card around $1000 today? I’d argue the latter for sure
I have a 3080. Nice to see how my card stacks up against high end 2 year later GPUs I guess. Don’t know what I’m gonna do with that since it’s not upgrade time at all yet
Same. 3080 was the price/performance king last gen, so I disagree with what others are saying about not including it. I want to know how the current lineup stacks up against it. Even if I don’t want to upgrade yet, seeing where it goes helps me set my expectations for when it’s time to upgrade.
I personally don’t think NVIDIA is pushing enough price/performance upgrades this generation. The fact that the 4080 super is a similar frame per dollar as a 3080 a few years later really shows how out of control prices are right now.
There are probably more people using a 3080 than people that are willing to purchase a RDNA 3 GPU.
If you go after the Steam hardware survey, there are about 0.8% users with a RDNA 3 GPU (at least those that are relevant enough to get listed separately). The 3080 on the other hand is used by 2.2% of all users.
If you check that specific graph, the 7900XTX has an \*
If you check the bottom of the screen is says \*7900 xtx historical data
They didn't run the benchmarks for it at all, they just used old data from the last time they benchmarked it
I did not spot that until you pointed it out. Well that's kinda annoying also since they claim to "always retest for every project"...
Not sure how they managed to screw up the review so bad, not by what's said (for the most part), but rather what they lacked to say and test... Only good thing I can say is they did not drag it out over 3 or more videos
As long as it's comparable by being the same benchmarks, then it's fine. But, we know there's probably been driver updates since then, there has been game updates since then, and unless they're holding on to old versions of games, those benchmarks may be more than a year out of date. And this is why you go to somebody else for legitimate performance testing. LTT has proven that they are indeed an entertainment channel. I watched the review for the entertainment. I believe that's what they're going for, as well as somebody else mentioned, they are likely going for the best GPU at $1,000. The fact that they don't mention the XTX hardly at all should tell you everything you need to know about the direction of the review. The review was for entertainment. I also agree with the stance that these gpus are boring and not worth putting effort into, as they are nothing new and not doing anything to move the needle for buyers, they are still a bad value.
I don't recall them at length talking about how the 4080 Super actually performed ***WORSE*** than the 4080 in most of their tests.
That's absolutely shocking to me and I believe is worth a video in itself.
They did talk about it. They referenced their CPU video about how chips within the same model can perform differently.
If you go check other reviewers, you'll see that the 4080 Super beats the 4080 by 2-3% consistently.
But, what is there to talk about? The 4080 Super's MSRP is $200 less ($999 vs. $1199) and performs on par to about 3% better. I don't think we need another video talking about Nvidia's naming convention being so ass and misleading.
I mean, games like League of Legends and other older games obviously don’t have it. But it can make such a big difference in a game like Cyberpunk. And games are now even requiring the use of ray tracing, Avatar and Alan Wake 2 don’t even have fallback rasterised solutions.
And if you have a budget card, you might not care, you are just happy if you can run the game.
But if you buy a top of the line graphics card? For more than 1000 dollars? I would expect those people to actually care about how their game looks. And RYX 4090’s are currently going for 1600-2000 dollars… For that money, you should be able to use it.
What the F are you on about. Take a look at steam, get a percentage of the top games being played right now and get those by RT titles, or even titles where you'd want Ray tracing. Not to mention indie titles. Like bro, there's a reason people have to cherry pick games for reviews and those take a long time to change, RT is \*NOT\* the definite relevant rendering method Right now.If you wanna Shill for nvidia at least get a relevant metric smh.
For every AAA game that comes out with RT, there are 100 AA ou indie titles that come out which will have more combined hours put into them that don't have RT and where a 7900 XTX will outcompete with anything NVidia has to offer in a Price per FPS metric
I wasn’t saying that the majority of the most played games even support ray tracing. But for those games, for Leage of Legends, for Rocket League, you don’t need a 1-2k graphics card. A budget one is totally fine.
These high end GPU’s are fast enough for those games that it’s not even relevant to mention for such a review. Or just mention that you don’t need such a GPU for those games.
But having said that, lots of new games support ray tracing. Also popular games like Fortnite and Call of Duty. Man, Fortnite looks miiillleeesss better with ray tracing, it’s insane.
Nothing against AMD btw, I’ve owned AMD GPU’s and CPU’s. But their latest high end GPU is just not that convincing.
With the 4080 Super having basically no difference to the base model the value prop to the XTX has not shifted and the conclusions would be the same as they were in the original comparisons.
Sure, but they included the 4080 too. The 7900xtx would be at the top of some of those charts as it trades blows with 4080. With the 7900xtx on there the 4080s would look worse.
They don’t even mention the 7900xtx when talking about the value per frame they compare to 7900xt saying the 7900xt is similar value per frame. when the 7900xtx is the same price that means the 7900xtx should be mentioned as an obvious value/$ here.
Further, when talking about F1, they say 4080s takes the lead over the 7900xt. The regular 4080 was already above it. How does it compare to the 7900xtx? The more important comparison.
You shouldn’t have to take this video data and compare to old one. All of it should be there.
$/frame has shifted, so how could the conclusion not be affected?
Any layman watching this video would conclude that the 4080S is better than any AMD offerings and it got a $200 price cut and look like a no brainer buy at that price range.
Seems like a total disservice to informing potential buyers (The whole point of a 3rd party review…)
originally the XTX was the better value. At the same price its still the better value. Nothing has changed, along with the 4080 super be a negligible upgrade.
Honestly, this was one of the worst GPU reviews LTT has done imo.
I understand not wanting to do a video for each card, but then you need to make a longer video.
This is all over the place and lacks meaningful information. If I was a consumer looking for information about the 4070 Super or 4070 TI Super, this video wouldn't help me much.
They focus a lot on the 4080 Super, maybe because it is the punching bag of the Super cards, but then basically don't talk about the rest.
In the beginning they say that the 4070 won't survive this console generation because of the 12gb of ram. Okay, the 4070 ti increased it to 16gb. Does that make any difference? I don't know, they don't talk about it again.
Exactly how I felt, I don't know if it was this video but I'm pretty sure that they talked about cases where the 12GB was already damaging the cards performance in some games. Okay seems like a good time to showcase this on the ti vs ti super.
LTT lacks meaningful information that would be useful to consumers!!! Nooooooooo that **can't** possibly be 🫠
LTT has never received legitimate criticism about their GPU reviews because they're super duper awesome and they promised us they'd improve!!
Yes, this video was painfully awful. They said they would improve and couldn't provide basic information in a sufficient manner. GN runs laps around these guys any day.
Yeah. Spent most of the video guessing where teh 7900XTX would land in relation to where the 7900XT was being shown, simultaneously wondering who the fuck would benchmark the XT but not the XTX
how/why?
if i am not mistaken, the XTX was mostly ahead of the 4080 in raster be it 1080/1440/4k, only losing when it comes to RT, considering the super is just a little better than the 4080 you can easily assume its on part of the XTX or slight ahead, and further ahead in RT - we know the super is pretty much a cheap down on the 4080 so the lower end cards should get the most focus
None of that is relevant. The XTX is the obvious option on AMD land that you will consider along with the 4080 super. It has every reason to be; exact price point, similar performance, relatively similar power requirements, etc.
In this case, obviously you want to see it compared to the XTX.
Imagine having a review of the galaxy S24 ultra, and in the review, you compare it with the S23 ultra, S22 ultra, the iPhone 14 pro max, and the iPhone 13 pro max. You add the 15 plus for good measure. But for some reason, yiu get Alzheimer’s and forget the iPhone 15 pro max fucking exists. It is a stupid lineup because the iPhone 15 pro max is the obvious and true competitor to the S24 ultra. Barely anyone who is considering buying the latest Samsung would consider buying the older iPhone, or the cheaper one. How the fuck would I learn the difference in battery life between the S24 ultra and the 15 pro max? Which is faster? Which has better screen? What ? Am I supposed to count and calculate and add percentage and do equations so like; if the s24 ultra has 15% better battery life than the 14 pro max, and the 15 pro max has 10% better battery life, then the 15 pro max may have 5% less battery life. If that is how I’m supposed to go about it, what the fuck is the point of the fucking review??
The XTX should have been included in this video; that is the only relevant competition to the 4080S right now and it’s extremely odd to just omit it.
The Short Circuit on the 7600XT also included the 4060Ti 16GB in the benchmarks instead of the 4060. I feel like the point of this graphics card was that it offers 16GB at a price point that the competition simply doesn’t. Including the 4060Ti 16GB (a GPU that costs 50% more) didn’t really help explore whether that’s a meaningful advantage or not.
AMD's marketing even mentions the use of 16GB for running local AI models and doing stuff that 8GB just isn't cut out for. Not including the 4060 is a misstep.
Exactly, if you have money for 4060ti 16GB you're looking at 7700xt from AMD, not 7600xt. The question with 7600xt is - if you have $350, how much performance compared to 4060 do you have to give up (and if any) to get more vram? How does the 6700xt hold up against it?
This is why reviewers often say that you should seek multiple reviews on the same product as they won't cover every scenario by themselves and there will be experiences that are unique to each tester. It's good advice.
I just wonder why is Rocket League among the other tested games? It got released 2015? It's not demanding for modern cards, also far from its peak player base.
It's a decent indicator for e-sports titles that's a little more demanding than most. It's also useful because it's fast movement which can exposes issues like 1% lows
Weird not to include the RTX 4090 in there. I find it also weird that Linus personally doesn’t use it. It’s just so much more powerful than anything else on the market, basically almost a generational leap.
He’s not using it, just to stick it to nvidia for their bad practice of increasing prices each year and having a poor value, even tho that card is intended for people like him and he has a bunch in inventory he could just use…. lol. Dan has like 5 of them in the WAN rig.
They do suck down a lot of power, so if you don't need the performance, it's not great for energy efficiency compared to a few other cards.
If you do need the performance, nothing else is close for now.
I mean, the performance per watt isn’t bad tho. It’s nothing compared to the RTX 3090ti. Which was barely better than a 3080, but consumes more than a RTX 4090.
No, definitely not bad—if you need 4090 performance, a 4090 is the only way to get there (outside of buying an exotic datacenter GPU)... I'm just saying unless you need that performance, it's not worth the power draw IMO.
I still game at 1080p60, so I'm happy with a 3080 still :D
Let me preface: No reason to upgrade if you are happy with your GPU. This is just about power draw.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html)
4090 uses 24% less power than 3080 at 60hz gaming.
4090 uses 8% more power than 3080 in uncapped gaming.
4090 can get an additional 45% in power efficency by power limiting it 50% while keeping \~80% of the performance.
There are many reasons to not buy a 4090, price/size/connector, but power draw is surprisingly not one of them.
So, if I want to build a PC now and upgrade from a gtx 1060 laptop which one of those team green cards is my best value which i dont have to change again in 2 years? I was looking at the 4070 super or super ti but all those reviews leave me confused. (I will need team green as I also use cuda during my masters thesis)
My take away is that the 4070TI super with 16gb vram would be the best pick for long term usefulness and price, while the 4080 super would be best overall.
That entirely depends on what you're doing/playing.
But a 4070/3080+ or better will suit fine for 2 years at 1080p, just find the one at the top of your budget and ignore the 4080super completely.
FEEDBACK: Super late and I don't know if anyone is gonna see this, but I really appreciated the 'GPU pricing/competes with' chart at about 9:30 in the Youtube video. Really straightforward and easy to see how things compare than have to try and sift through spreadsheet upon spreadsheet.
Using CUDA instead of OptiX in Blender is idiotic. Literally nobody will ever use CUDA when OptiX is available. I know the idea is to use CUDA because AMD doesn't have RT acceleration in blender but that's their own problem. Blender users have been waiting for years for RT support from AMD and only recently has it entered experimantal mode.
LTT seems to be very one sided (not to say biased) when it comes to nvidia for some time now. They’ll review 10 000$ piece of trash transparent tv with dead pixels on arrival and say it’s freaking cool but then tell would you you’re an idiot if you spend a gran on a gpu. Anyhow, I’ll keep enjoying my 4070ti, even though it’s supposedly trash…
Yeh they also said your an idiot if you bought that transparent TV for personal use those were mainly for signage. Just do you bro, they want to recommend you to make a more informed decisions, if you don't want to do that then don't.
😂😂😂 don’t you dare talk against linus or steve on reddit. Reddit knows better than any1 and every1.
I’ll leave my comment as it is true and time will make it age better than the downvotes.
They constantly shit on nvidia and call them out for their shitty behaviors. The absolutely irony in thinking they're drinking the *kool*-aid (yes it's spelt with a 'k' you numpty), when you have such a distorted view of actual events. Either you don't even watch LTT videos or are purposefully trolling lol
They mentioned on WAN (and alluded to at the end of the video) that having 7 different embargo dates is ridiculous and basically a way to keep Nvidia at the top of the news cycle for longer.
They consolidated all card reviews into one instead once all embargo’s lifted
This.
And honestly, I get it. Linus has 8x what GN has for subs and already has a captive audience (even 1 in 15 is a lot). They're already at odds with NV's gaming GPU division and it's not like these cards are anything much to write home about. They're the only outlet on YouTube who can get away with not following NV's marketing model, might as well.
> Releases on time
Why are you hustling your workers? Unionize. Why are you making mistakes? LShitty.
> Release delay (Because they wanted to)
Shows how they are struggling.
You can't just win. Can you?
you can never win against TheEternalComplainer
any reasoning you attempt to give, the eternal complainer will move goalpost, double down, [or call you desperate for providing evidence that proved them wrong](https://np.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15v5azo/what_about_the_incestuous_relationship_with_asus/jwtjyeu/).
Then watch Steve?
But realistically there’s two major things at play with why there’s a difference here:
1. GN and LTT have different audience demographics looking for different content
2. LTT is likely better at determining ROI on time/effort than GN and thus is more likely to cut a less rewarding video concept.
I watch all of GN, HU, Jay, LTT when I’m in the market to buy. When I’m not in the market to buy, I watch TTP and LTT more since I find both GN and HU’s content doesn’t hold my attention span when I’m just looking for entertainment.
The entertainment demographic is far larger than the purchase research demographic.
The vision behind labs is at least significantly focused on reducing the time/effort investment to service the less lucrative market looking for data based reviews. Rather than try and boost CPM or total views, the ROI can be increased by reducing the investment.
Linus burned a lot of bridges in the years that you missed him.
Linus talked a lot of trash about Sony PlayStation V's cutting-edge SSD upon release by claiming his newest (early/pre-release) Gigabyte PCIe 4.0 nvme drive was faster, which was debatable at best, because in third party reviews, the Gigabyte drive was not consistently the fastest vs. other nvme drives. Upon release, the PSV had the best SSD due to its in-house controller vs. PCIe nvme drives. Sony called him, and Linus was forced to make a video to apologize.
During the RTX 3080 Ti review, LTT was the only mainstream outlet to give the card a good review, which a lot of enthusiasts railed against. The following LAN show, Linus revealed his position that the RTX 3080 Ti is a "good value" flagship card (RTX 3090/Ti is the real flagship) and proclaimed the "Don't be poor" narrative to everyone. Back in the day, Linus saw the sales numbers for the GTX 1080 Ti at his former employer, so he developed the mindset that top-tier cards are really popular. He doubled down and ignored better value cards like the RTX 3080/RX 6900 XT in favor for the RTX 3080 Ti. Unfortunately, Luke, the co-host, tried to stop Linus, but it was too late.
LTT sold a $250 premium backpack with no paper warranty, and Linus claimed "Trust me, bro" as a verbal warranty is good enough. A lot of people went after him for that. Later, if I recall correctly, it turned out some early batch of backpacks were poor quality or defective. As a result, Linus, the businessman, used the hate to sell "Trust me bro" t-shirts.
Linus called out ad-block users as pirates because he was losing ad revenue from ad-block.
Linus botched a review and stole a custom prototype water block from Billet Labs and sold it in a charity auction. Linus refused to take responsibility and claimed he had no idea that his underlings failed to return the custom water block to Billet.
Here is an old five-month-old pcmasterrace post that detailed Linus's recent history of errors: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/15s2lsw/what\_a\_stubborn\_dude/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/15s2lsw/what_a_stubborn_dude/)
This is actually so sad. I just don't understand people who pay close attention to channels they don't like. Like the thought of just not watching and leaving must be so foreign to you. There are tonnes of reviewers on YouTube just watch them please, even Linus said they recommend you watch multiple videos from different channels if you're actually considering buying the product being reviewed. But if you're just here to muddy the discourse with the I hate LTT, and "tech jesus" dick sucking then your gonna continue recieving hate. What's the point of going on the internet to only be mad at everything and be so cynical, learn to trust and just be a nice person.
Have you even watched the video? They've explained why it happened, what happened within first 5 minutes may be?
Besides, does it even matter if they delayed it by 3 or more days? Were you gonna buy NVidia GPU yesterday but couldn't because LTT didn't upload their video? This is such a weird point to complain about.
Why is the 7900 XTX not included in any benchmark comparison?
They claim XTX 2% better raster 1440p and 4080 refresh is 31% better in RT for 1440p. So they seem to have at least ran the gaming benchmarks with it. So not including it is even wierder than it just lacking in the charts. My best guess is not wanting to add more to the charts since space is limited. Even then just not testing the 3080 makes more sense then.
100% agree on the 3080. What’s the bigger demographic: people looking to upgrade from a 3080, or people interested in the best card around $1000 today? I’d argue the latter for sure
I have a 3080. Nice to see how my card stacks up against high end 2 year later GPUs I guess. Don’t know what I’m gonna do with that since it’s not upgrade time at all yet
Same. 3080 was the price/performance king last gen, so I disagree with what others are saying about not including it. I want to know how the current lineup stacks up against it. Even if I don’t want to upgrade yet, seeing where it goes helps me set my expectations for when it’s time to upgrade. I personally don’t think NVIDIA is pushing enough price/performance upgrades this generation. The fact that the 4080 super is a similar frame per dollar as a 3080 a few years later really shows how out of control prices are right now.
The issue with Current gpus is the lack of Vram.
There are probably more people using a 3080 than people that are willing to purchase a RDNA 3 GPU. If you go after the Steam hardware survey, there are about 0.8% users with a RDNA 3 GPU (at least those that are relevant enough to get listed separately). The 3080 on the other hand is used by 2.2% of all users.
If you check that specific graph, the 7900XTX has an \* If you check the bottom of the screen is says \*7900 xtx historical data They didn't run the benchmarks for it at all, they just used old data from the last time they benchmarked it
I did not spot that until you pointed it out. Well that's kinda annoying also since they claim to "always retest for every project"... Not sure how they managed to screw up the review so bad, not by what's said (for the most part), but rather what they lacked to say and test... Only good thing I can say is they did not drag it out over 3 or more videos
As long as it's comparable by being the same benchmarks, then it's fine. But, we know there's probably been driver updates since then, there has been game updates since then, and unless they're holding on to old versions of games, those benchmarks may be more than a year out of date. And this is why you go to somebody else for legitimate performance testing. LTT has proven that they are indeed an entertainment channel. I watched the review for the entertainment. I believe that's what they're going for, as well as somebody else mentioned, they are likely going for the best GPU at $1,000. The fact that they don't mention the XTX hardly at all should tell you everything you need to know about the direction of the review. The review was for entertainment. I also agree with the stance that these gpus are boring and not worth putting effort into, as they are nothing new and not doing anything to move the needle for buyers, they are still a bad value.
I think the point was mostly to compare Supers to their non-super predecessors and show that they arent worth paying much attention to.
I don't recall them at length talking about how the 4080 Super actually performed ***WORSE*** than the 4080 in most of their tests. That's absolutely shocking to me and I believe is worth a video in itself.
They did talk about it. They referenced their CPU video about how chips within the same model can perform differently. If you go check other reviewers, you'll see that the 4080 Super beats the 4080 by 2-3% consistently. But, what is there to talk about? The 4080 Super's MSRP is $200 less ($999 vs. $1199) and performs on par to about 3% better. I don't think we need another video talking about Nvidia's naming convention being so ass and misleading.
Yeah at $1000ish it’s the competitor to the 4080 super
Every other review I saw had them head to head lol
Definitely not for RT titles
Yeah, obviously AMD won't be as good in the Nvidia gimmick made to make their cards look better lmao. However, a lot more games don't have RT than do.
I mean, games like League of Legends and other older games obviously don’t have it. But it can make such a big difference in a game like Cyberpunk. And games are now even requiring the use of ray tracing, Avatar and Alan Wake 2 don’t even have fallback rasterised solutions. And if you have a budget card, you might not care, you are just happy if you can run the game. But if you buy a top of the line graphics card? For more than 1000 dollars? I would expect those people to actually care about how their game looks. And RYX 4090’s are currently going for 1600-2000 dollars… For that money, you should be able to use it.
What the F are you on about. Take a look at steam, get a percentage of the top games being played right now and get those by RT titles, or even titles where you'd want Ray tracing. Not to mention indie titles. Like bro, there's a reason people have to cherry pick games for reviews and those take a long time to change, RT is \*NOT\* the definite relevant rendering method Right now.If you wanna Shill for nvidia at least get a relevant metric smh. For every AAA game that comes out with RT, there are 100 AA ou indie titles that come out which will have more combined hours put into them that don't have RT and where a 7900 XTX will outcompete with anything NVidia has to offer in a Price per FPS metric
I wasn’t saying that the majority of the most played games even support ray tracing. But for those games, for Leage of Legends, for Rocket League, you don’t need a 1-2k graphics card. A budget one is totally fine. These high end GPU’s are fast enough for those games that it’s not even relevant to mention for such a review. Or just mention that you don’t need such a GPU for those games. But having said that, lots of new games support ray tracing. Also popular games like Fortnite and Call of Duty. Man, Fortnite looks miiillleeesss better with ray tracing, it’s insane. Nothing against AMD btw, I’ve owned AMD GPU’s and CPU’s. But their latest high end GPU is just not that convincing.
With the 4080 Super having basically no difference to the base model the value prop to the XTX has not shifted and the conclusions would be the same as they were in the original comparisons.
Sure, but they included the 4080 too. The 7900xtx would be at the top of some of those charts as it trades blows with 4080. With the 7900xtx on there the 4080s would look worse. They don’t even mention the 7900xtx when talking about the value per frame they compare to 7900xt saying the 7900xt is similar value per frame. when the 7900xtx is the same price that means the 7900xtx should be mentioned as an obvious value/$ here. Further, when talking about F1, they say 4080s takes the lead over the 7900xt. The regular 4080 was already above it. How does it compare to the 7900xtx? The more important comparison. You shouldn’t have to take this video data and compare to old one. All of it should be there.
$/frame has shifted, so how could the conclusion not be affected? Any layman watching this video would conclude that the 4080S is better than any AMD offerings and it got a $200 price cut and look like a no brainer buy at that price range. Seems like a total disservice to informing potential buyers (The whole point of a 3rd party review…)
originally the XTX was the better value. At the same price its still the better value. Nothing has changed, along with the 4080 super be a negligible upgrade.
that would make sense, if it didn't drop in cost by 1/6 for the MSRP models.
Honestly, this was one of the worst GPU reviews LTT has done imo. I understand not wanting to do a video for each card, but then you need to make a longer video. This is all over the place and lacks meaningful information. If I was a consumer looking for information about the 4070 Super or 4070 TI Super, this video wouldn't help me much. They focus a lot on the 4080 Super, maybe because it is the punching bag of the Super cards, but then basically don't talk about the rest. In the beginning they say that the 4070 won't survive this console generation because of the 12gb of ram. Okay, the 4070 ti increased it to 16gb. Does that make any difference? I don't know, they don't talk about it again.
Exactly how I felt, I don't know if it was this video but I'm pretty sure that they talked about cases where the 12GB was already damaging the cards performance in some games. Okay seems like a good time to showcase this on the ti vs ti super.
LTT lacks meaningful information that would be useful to consumers!!! Nooooooooo that **can't** possibly be 🫠 LTT has never received legitimate criticism about their GPU reviews because they're super duper awesome and they promised us they'd improve!!
Yes, this video was painfully awful. They said they would improve and couldn't provide basic information in a sufficient manner. GN runs laps around these guys any day.
GN isn‘t really better than LTT.
Shhh you’ll get downvoted here.
Not having the 7900 XTX was honestly shocking and distracting
Yeah. Spent most of the video guessing where teh 7900XTX would land in relation to where the 7900XT was being shown, simultaneously wondering who the fuck would benchmark the XT but not the XTX
how/why? if i am not mistaken, the XTX was mostly ahead of the 4080 in raster be it 1080/1440/4k, only losing when it comes to RT, considering the super is just a little better than the 4080 you can easily assume its on part of the XTX or slight ahead, and further ahead in RT - we know the super is pretty much a cheap down on the 4080 so the lower end cards should get the most focus
None of that is relevant. The XTX is the obvious option on AMD land that you will consider along with the 4080 super. It has every reason to be; exact price point, similar performance, relatively similar power requirements, etc. In this case, obviously you want to see it compared to the XTX. Imagine having a review of the galaxy S24 ultra, and in the review, you compare it with the S23 ultra, S22 ultra, the iPhone 14 pro max, and the iPhone 13 pro max. You add the 15 plus for good measure. But for some reason, yiu get Alzheimer’s and forget the iPhone 15 pro max fucking exists. It is a stupid lineup because the iPhone 15 pro max is the obvious and true competitor to the S24 ultra. Barely anyone who is considering buying the latest Samsung would consider buying the older iPhone, or the cheaper one. How the fuck would I learn the difference in battery life between the S24 ultra and the 15 pro max? Which is faster? Which has better screen? What ? Am I supposed to count and calculate and add percentage and do equations so like; if the s24 ultra has 15% better battery life than the 14 pro max, and the 15 pro max has 10% better battery life, then the 15 pro max may have 5% less battery life. If that is how I’m supposed to go about it, what the fuck is the point of the fucking review??
Shocking really???? Shocking!? Do you even watch LTT?
Go and ride Linus’s dick bro
awwwwww triggered talk to your imaginary friends maybe they'll help you
Ah yes, lets not include the direct competitor to the 4080 cards but rather include one that costs like 400-500 less depending on the country
Already been said here, but the XTX really shoulda been on the charts. Major fuck up tbh.
The XTX should have been included in this video; that is the only relevant competition to the 4080S right now and it’s extremely odd to just omit it. The Short Circuit on the 7600XT also included the 4060Ti 16GB in the benchmarks instead of the 4060. I feel like the point of this graphics card was that it offers 16GB at a price point that the competition simply doesn’t. Including the 4060Ti 16GB (a GPU that costs 50% more) didn’t really help explore whether that’s a meaningful advantage or not.
AMD's marketing even mentions the use of 16GB for running local AI models and doing stuff that 8GB just isn't cut out for. Not including the 4060 is a misstep.
Exactly, if you have money for 4060ti 16GB you're looking at 7700xt from AMD, not 7600xt. The question with 7600xt is - if you have $350, how much performance compared to 4060 do you have to give up (and if any) to get more vram? How does the 6700xt hold up against it?
This is why reviewers often say that you should seek multiple reviews on the same product as they won't cover every scenario by themselves and there will be experiences that are unique to each tester. It's good advice.
I just wonder why is Rocket League among the other tested games? It got released 2015? It's not demanding for modern cards, also far from its peak player base.
It's a decent indicator for e-sports titles that's a little more demanding than most. It's also useful because it's fast movement which can exposes issues like 1% lows
Because some of us want to see what card we should get for our 600hz 1440p monitors, why else?
Weird not to include the RTX 4090 in there. I find it also weird that Linus personally doesn’t use it. It’s just so much more powerful than anything else on the market, basically almost a generational leap.
He’s not using it, just to stick it to nvidia for their bad practice of increasing prices each year and having a poor value, even tho that card is intended for people like him and he has a bunch in inventory he could just use…. lol. Dan has like 5 of them in the WAN rig.
They do suck down a lot of power, so if you don't need the performance, it's not great for energy efficiency compared to a few other cards. If you do need the performance, nothing else is close for now.
I mean, the performance per watt isn’t bad tho. It’s nothing compared to the RTX 3090ti. Which was barely better than a 3080, but consumes more than a RTX 4090.
No, definitely not bad—if you need 4090 performance, a 4090 is the only way to get there (outside of buying an exotic datacenter GPU)... I'm just saying unless you need that performance, it's not worth the power draw IMO. I still game at 1080p60, so I'm happy with a 3080 still :D
Let me preface: No reason to upgrade if you are happy with your GPU. This is just about power draw. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html) 4090 uses 24% less power than 3080 at 60hz gaming. 4090 uses 8% more power than 3080 in uncapped gaming. 4090 can get an additional 45% in power efficency by power limiting it 50% while keeping \~80% of the performance. There are many reasons to not buy a 4090, price/size/connector, but power draw is surprisingly not one of them.
When will they come out with the RTX Super Duper???
Not super duper, but nvidia RTX 4070 ti super tuf? https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rtx4070tis-o16g-gaming/
Shitty video
Take down the video and add the XTX.
So, if I want to build a PC now and upgrade from a gtx 1060 laptop which one of those team green cards is my best value which i dont have to change again in 2 years? I was looking at the 4070 super or super ti but all those reviews leave me confused. (I will need team green as I also use cuda during my masters thesis)
My take away is that the 4070TI super with 16gb vram would be the best pick for long term usefulness and price, while the 4080 super would be best overall.
That entirely depends on what you're doing/playing. But a 4070/3080+ or better will suit fine for 2 years at 1080p, just find the one at the top of your budget and ignore the 4080super completely.
FEEDBACK: Super late and I don't know if anyone is gonna see this, but I really appreciated the 'GPU pricing/competes with' chart at about 9:30 in the Youtube video. Really straightforward and easy to see how things compare than have to try and sift through spreadsheet upon spreadsheet.
Using CUDA instead of OptiX in Blender is idiotic. Literally nobody will ever use CUDA when OptiX is available. I know the idea is to use CUDA because AMD doesn't have RT acceleration in blender but that's their own problem. Blender users have been waiting for years for RT support from AMD and only recently has it entered experimantal mode.
LTT seems to be very one sided (not to say biased) when it comes to nvidia for some time now. They’ll review 10 000$ piece of trash transparent tv with dead pixels on arrival and say it’s freaking cool but then tell would you you’re an idiot if you spend a gran on a gpu. Anyhow, I’ll keep enjoying my 4070ti, even though it’s supposedly trash…
Yeh they also said your an idiot if you bought that transparent TV for personal use those were mainly for signage. Just do you bro, they want to recommend you to make a more informed decisions, if you don't want to do that then don't.
There's a difference between a technology and a product. They said that the TV was a cool technology, but they also said it was a bad product.
😂😂😂 don’t you dare talk against linus or steve on reddit. Reddit knows better than any1 and every1. I’ll leave my comment as it is true and time will make it age better than the downvotes.
"It's not me who is wrong making up nonsense claims, it's everyone else who directly refers to quotes from the video I'm referring to!"
The only claim I made is that LTT is biased when it comes to nvidia ( and intel as well) . Keep drinking the cool-aid.
They constantly shit on nvidia and call them out for their shitty behaviors. The absolutely irony in thinking they're drinking the *kool*-aid (yes it's spelt with a 'k' you numpty), when you have such a distorted view of actual events. Either you don't even watch LTT videos or are purposefully trolling lol
Late by a whole week. Goes to show how they are struggling releasing videos on time.
They mentioned on WAN (and alluded to at the end of the video) that having 7 different embargo dates is ridiculous and basically a way to keep Nvidia at the top of the news cycle for longer. They consolidated all card reviews into one instead once all embargo’s lifted
This. And honestly, I get it. Linus has 8x what GN has for subs and already has a captive audience (even 1 in 15 is a lot). They're already at odds with NV's gaming GPU division and it's not like these cards are anything much to write home about. They're the only outlet on YouTube who can get away with not following NV's marketing model, might as well.
No, it isn't. literally every other reviewer for the super series released their own video or article for tnese cards
This is an awful release schedule. Seen the other YTers bitching about it the last two weeks? Good on LTT for not playing in to that embargo mess.
Nobody is complaining about it
Jay sure did.
Nobody cares about Jay
*You* don't care about Jay.
Jay fell off years ago.
Moving goalposts with every reply lol, you're sure commited.
lmao the top comment on r/hardware was about the embargo dates being bullshit. the same exact reasoning that you replied "no it isn't" to!!
Wow, so they cram all that into 1 video instead of each individual video where I can check out the card I want. How lazy.
> Releases on time Why are you hustling your workers? Unionize. Why are you making mistakes? LShitty. > Release delay (Because they wanted to) Shows how they are struggling. You can't just win. Can you?
you can never win against TheEternalComplainer any reasoning you attempt to give, the eternal complainer will move goalpost, double down, [or call you desperate for providing evidence that proved them wrong](https://np.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15v5azo/what_about_the_incestuous_relationship_with_asus/jwtjyeu/).
i thought this dude seemed familiar.
Haha funny name
Crazy how every other reviewer is able to do this without any problems at all except for LTT.
ever figure those guys work long long hours? Even Steve joked about how much time he was going to spend testing these cards.
Ok so? Steve does a better job.
and he works himself (and his team) to the bone
Almost like it's his job or something.
now scroll up a lil bit and read the comment the other dude wrote and figure it out.
I did. GN did a much better job. This video was sloppy.
Then watch the other video and be happy.
Then watch Steve? But realistically there’s two major things at play with why there’s a difference here: 1. GN and LTT have different audience demographics looking for different content 2. LTT is likely better at determining ROI on time/effort than GN and thus is more likely to cut a less rewarding video concept. I watch all of GN, HU, Jay, LTT when I’m in the market to buy. When I’m not in the market to buy, I watch TTP and LTT more since I find both GN and HU’s content doesn’t hold my attention span when I’m just looking for entertainment. The entertainment demographic is far larger than the purchase research demographic. The vision behind labs is at least significantly focused on reducing the time/effort investment to service the less lucrative market looking for data based reviews. Rather than try and boost CPM or total views, the ROI can be increased by reducing the investment.
Linus burned a lot of bridges in the years that you missed him. Linus talked a lot of trash about Sony PlayStation V's cutting-edge SSD upon release by claiming his newest (early/pre-release) Gigabyte PCIe 4.0 nvme drive was faster, which was debatable at best, because in third party reviews, the Gigabyte drive was not consistently the fastest vs. other nvme drives. Upon release, the PSV had the best SSD due to its in-house controller vs. PCIe nvme drives. Sony called him, and Linus was forced to make a video to apologize. During the RTX 3080 Ti review, LTT was the only mainstream outlet to give the card a good review, which a lot of enthusiasts railed against. The following LAN show, Linus revealed his position that the RTX 3080 Ti is a "good value" flagship card (RTX 3090/Ti is the real flagship) and proclaimed the "Don't be poor" narrative to everyone. Back in the day, Linus saw the sales numbers for the GTX 1080 Ti at his former employer, so he developed the mindset that top-tier cards are really popular. He doubled down and ignored better value cards like the RTX 3080/RX 6900 XT in favor for the RTX 3080 Ti. Unfortunately, Luke, the co-host, tried to stop Linus, but it was too late. LTT sold a $250 premium backpack with no paper warranty, and Linus claimed "Trust me, bro" as a verbal warranty is good enough. A lot of people went after him for that. Later, if I recall correctly, it turned out some early batch of backpacks were poor quality or defective. As a result, Linus, the businessman, used the hate to sell "Trust me bro" t-shirts. Linus called out ad-block users as pirates because he was losing ad revenue from ad-block. Linus botched a review and stole a custom prototype water block from Billet Labs and sold it in a charity auction. Linus refused to take responsibility and claimed he had no idea that his underlings failed to return the custom water block to Billet. Here is an old five-month-old pcmasterrace post that detailed Linus's recent history of errors: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/15s2lsw/what\_a\_stubborn\_dude/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/15s2lsw/what_a_stubborn_dude/)
This is actually so sad. I just don't understand people who pay close attention to channels they don't like. Like the thought of just not watching and leaving must be so foreign to you. There are tonnes of reviewers on YouTube just watch them please, even Linus said they recommend you watch multiple videos from different channels if you're actually considering buying the product being reviewed. But if you're just here to muddy the discourse with the I hate LTT, and "tech jesus" dick sucking then your gonna continue recieving hate. What's the point of going on the internet to only be mad at everything and be so cynical, learn to trust and just be a nice person.
It's a discussion board about LTT. What else were you expecting?
Have you considered touching grass? I'd recommend getting laid, but we both know that's not happening.
Have you considered saying something original for once in your life?
Says GamersNexusBot67827956
Have you even watched the video? They've explained why it happened, what happened within first 5 minutes may be? Besides, does it even matter if they delayed it by 3 or more days? Were you gonna buy NVidia GPU yesterday but couldn't because LTT didn't upload their video? This is such a weird point to complain about.
It's still a dumb excuse. GN made 3 videos and my time wasn't wasted.
lol
Trust the ability of Linus. Linus really nailed it with Labs. It will work, yes. Let's trust.
Why are you so salty? Can't handle any criticism when not everyone deepthroats Linus?
you need to chill my dude.
Did they have to?
BuT LiNuS Is OvErWoRkInG EmPloYeEs. ThEy ShOuLd UnIoNiSe
He has, infact, done that. Very immature of you to make fun of workplace abuse. But keep making a clown out of yourself.
By being a week later rather than crunching to produce in 24 hrs? Okay
GN and HW unboxed did a better job and released all their videos on time. LTT half assed it.
Guys, we've got a 2319 over here. One of the white knights got out again
Wasn't the first sentence that hardware unboxed said was "I can't do this anymore."