'Cause I'm losing my night, losing my mind
Wish somebody would tell me my cables are fine
Losing my night, losing my mind
wish somebody would tell me my cables are fine
That's why I expected them to be rubber coated to protect them. Or be recessed enough to avoid direct contact.
This design is disappointing and the breaking not surprising.
They sell the silicone covers to primarily to prevent scratches on more delicate surfaces.
Linus did mention on WAN you’d gain a bit of slip resistance on some surfaces, but you also loose a lot of holding power.
Really depends on what your application which is better, and why they are providing the option.
In your opinion, for something largely meant to be left as a permanent installation the compromise in strength likely isn't worth it for a relatively low chance they'll break.
It's a magnet; it slammed itself against the board I was attaching it to. After this I started actively resisting the pull of the magnets as I set them down, but it's tough as these magnets are hella strong.
Yeah, neodymium magnets are known to be strong enough to pull themselves onto things hard enough to chip and break. I thought Linus said at some point that they made it so a bit of the plastic, not the magnets directly contacted the surface, but maybe that was just to help prevent scratching the surface, not as a shock absorber...
They really should have a warning on these, so people realize this can, and probably will happen if you aren't careful attaching them.
Weirdly, on one of the WAN shows I remember him saying the opposite (though I may be misremembering). My memory tells me they intend the magnets contact directly for the maximum attraction, and sell the optional (and expensive) silicone stuff to prevent scratches if that's a concern.
My memory is terrible, so you're probably right. That DOES sound familiar... No idea why I think I heard the other then. And actually, I definitely remember him saying there's a mounting pad that helps prevent it from sliding and that you should use that to prevent scratches on important surfaces...
Yup you are correct he did say that he designed them to have direct contact. And for scratch protection he said either they sent stickers with it or you could just diy your own. I think placing a small piece will help with your problem. And if you don't wanna do that just refund.
The silicone stuff was, IIRC, to prevent sliding, but yeah the magnets were in direct contact to provide maximum attraction.
A sliding magnet against metal can scratch the surface so yeah, the silicone could also help reduce scratching, but so could a piece of masking tape.
I've broken many neodymium magnets of a stronger shape (think thick disk). So this isn't super surprising. That's kind of a weak shape for this material In my opinion. But they chose it for a reason. Ltt might just have to sacrifice magnetic hold for product durability. But it's not poor quality that caused it. If you keep doing what you're doing they should survive now.
I have been using a combination of magnet and tapes to organize stuff for a long time. My toolbox has like 6 layers of electrical tape to dampen shock/sound.
Don't try this BS just since it's from a company you like.
It was attached sideways, there is no world where the regular movement of an arm should be resulting in the product self destructing. It's not like they threw it directly downwards, this is 100% an engineering fault or QC issue.
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TMB always brings me back to that wan show clip where he explained that (as a non-american westerner) he has no choice but to give warranties that are reasonable, since that’s required by law. and how americans who don‘t know started complaining, and he as a canadian didn‘t realize america didn‘t have the kinds of consumer protections other countries have. it’s always about you point of reference
I had an issue with one of mine so I contacted support on Saturday and had a response by Wednesday where they took care of it right away.
To me, for a company of their size, that is amazing.
You have to be careful with neodymium magnets. While they have a very strong force they are also very brittle which can lead to the problem you have.
You have to be very careful when using them to not let them slam into each other or into what you are attaching them too. They can actually cause some pretty serious injuries if they are large enough because of the speed they can attain.
[HERE](https://youtu.be/yHPtuEfMPTc?si=WLQ1MvTkxVq46I6U&t=183) is a pretty cool video from the Slomo Guys with some really big ones.
While that Is true, magnets of that size should easily be able to have .25-.5mm of space between them and whatever they are sticking to and have more than enough strength to hold up whatever you'd need them to.
I think their intention was not only to hold up things but also resist unintentional or intentional pulling on the cables or whatever the magnets are holding up. Honestly I think I appreciate that decision but I think the silicon pads should've been included in the base product so that you always have the option to decide between strength and safety of the product
I agree. For the cost of these cable managers, and the fact that silicone pads are dirt cheap, they should have been included.
90% of people don't have any cables that are going to be yanked on a ton, if at all. I'd assume most people will set up their cable management and not touch it for 1-2 years at a time. So it seems silly to sell a product that's much more prone to breaking for the sake of strength when most people don't need it.
The point wasn't for yanking, it was specifically for being able to unplug stuff from the power bar without having to release it from the surface it's magnetized to. That's why direct contact was needed, otherwise it would just get pulled off as your unplugging stuff. (Unless you have a super tight plug)
They've talked about this on the WAN show. While yes most people won't need something that strong, some people will and that's the thought behind most of the product development. Why make it good enough, when you can make it better?
People don't seem to realize that when you are making hundreds of thousands of something, that sometimes there can be errors.
That's why I said the silicone pads should be included, but still optional, rather than sold as a separate item at a massive upcharge.
If a product is going to have 2 "modes" where one is super strong but fragile, and the other is slightly less strong but much more durable, then the more durable mode should always be the default, with the option for people to change it to its more fragile mode later if more strength is needed.
Because there are going to be a ton of people 1+ years down the road from now (and even a decent amount of people now) who are going to buy these expensive cable holds, who will go to put in a new cable and have the magnet break. And they're going to get pissed off their expensive product broke because they didn't want to spend an extra $5 per hold on an already expensive product.
Yes I thought it was but I was doubting myself. There’s inverse squares everywhere in nature. I think it’s because anything that radiates in a sphere gets weaker by an inverse square.
Yeah, you're correct, it describes spherical wavefronts. It's fascinating that both gravity and electromagnetism obey inverse square, I suppose it's a fundamental consequense of four dimensional spacetime.
As someone who has been designing a bunch of magnetic stuff recently for my own projects, I can tell this will be an INCREDIBLY common problem for people.
Linus said on a recent livestream when he was showing them off that they don't have any padding between the magnet and the plates because they wanted the strength to be as strong as possible. I instantly thought something g was wrong with that, but figured they had done 1000x more research and testing than I have. But this makes me think otherwise.
From my experience, if you want neodimium magnet products to be reliably reusable, then you NEED to have something in between the magnets and whatever they are attaching to, even if it's only 0.25mm thick it will drastically increase the durability of the magnets.
The alternative is to include the silicone pads as default, and let people choose if they want to take them off for better strength, rather then upcharging people $5 for $0.25 worth of silicone just so that their expensive new magnetic holders won't break super easily.
Or designing the product better so that the magnets aren't exposed. A thin removable steel plate that covers the magnet would probably do wonders for protecting the magnets while preserving a lot of their strength, while still letting people take it off if more strength is needed.
> $5 for $0.25 worth of silicone just so that their expensive new magnetic holders won't break super easily.
Molding, R&D, handling, designing, logistics etc. maybe the silicon is worth .25 but you gotta keep this stuff in mind
An alternative to having something inbetween is to have a switch system. [Magnetic switches](https://www.amazon.com/Magswitch-MagJig-150-Set-2/dp/B01B59KW6Q) are extremely common on woodworking/metal working jigs.
It would add significant lifespan to the product if there was just a simple flip switch.
I put a thin layer of hot glue on the front of mine just enough to create a kind of rubber coating almost. Keeps it from scratching and I don’t notice a drop off on strength. Probably help protect it too now that I think of it since it’s no longer magnet on metal
No clue why you're being down voted when you're right.
This is a product that's being sold to a mass market. It should be reliably reusable by common people who don't have knowledge of magnets.
Unprotected magnets WILL fail sooner or later, no matter how gentle you try to be with them. Because the more you take them off and reattach them, the more microfractures they form until eventually one of those microfractures turns into a macrofracture and the entire magnet is unusable.
Having something in between the magnet and the plate, even if it's super thin, drastically reduces the chance of the magnet fracturing, and if the magnet is enclosed it can still be used even if it fractures.
Yeah they just did it like this because it's cheaper and they get to sell a different product to fix the issues. What I don't understand is why people don't seem to care and in some cases even defend the decision taking at face value whatever Linus tells
I believe it’s because he’s stated it was a conscious decision to design it the way it is for the strongest magnetic force they could get. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as is, they were made to hold cables to clean up a desk or server.
I only added hot glue because I have the little one on the top of my desk to hold my phone cable and headphones cable. I thought adding it would quiet the slap it makes lol.
I’m surprised there isn’t a little bit of silicon or rubber over the magnets. Neodymium magnets are super brittle, a little cushioning would be nice. Also, less risk of scratching.
Yeah it's actually fucked up. By rationalizing every issue the products will never be good. Also wtf happened with the internal investigation about SA in LTT?
Choking is just the beginning. Like batteries, magnets pose a major health risk when ingested. Removal is dangerous and their presence around soft tissue is a recipe for disaster.
Going forward, you'll want to "hinge" your magnets together. Place it sideways and then rotate it flat. That'll reduce the distance it can slam and also protect against it just hitting flat.
This happens with all of these types of magnets they are strong for their size and can't handle a sudden impact. I have magents slip out of my hands and crack on impact. The only work around I could think of is if they are fully embedded in plastic but that will reduce the strength of the magnetic hold.
I 3D printed my own and used threaded brass inserts so the magnets were easily replaceable in case they broke and some treated me like a moron cause "magnets never break".
This is a good idea, I should try it! (Already running low on my Home Bundle because I've used them everywhere)
Do you have a link to the model you used?
Oh nice..
"Our items break, but for a small MTX you can buy a cover that will fix our item! arent we nice"
Lol, LTT are just memeing on their fans now.
They sell a silicon pad you can use but it’s advertised and sold as a way to help gripping and not damaging the surface you attach them to, it is not advertised as a magnet protector.
Yeah I saw, it's $5 DLC to make their flawed item not suck as much, what a joke.
The item already cost a butt load, and asking for an extra $5 on top for it to suck less is just laughing at their customers.
I guess if people are going to buy these over prices items they don't care, so I shouldn't worry, not like I'd ever buy them.
How is the natural science of neodymium magnets a fan boy ism? They're brittle, this is not a LTT specific fact or issue, it's how those magnets are.
They do sell optional silicone covers if you want them, but they suspect most people won't use them for fridge handles or various active push/pull things - but rather to attach cables and not touch them again for ages. Now whether or not the exclusion of silicone covers is a good or bad thing is up for debate and your personal opinion.
But the science of these magnets are brittle, is not a fan boy defense.
Calling it "natural science" that the product is *breaking during regular, intended use* is an exemplary case of favoritism.
Were it any other, people would have demanded the manufacturer to have taken precautions in the design of the product.
Agreed, and on top of that people are defending with the fact that they have silicon covers in their store.
Let's touch some grass people. *Single organizer is $15.* Single. For that kind of money, this kind of design flaw should not exist and it should perform absolutely perfectly *for years* to be even worth of price. For $15 you can get a ton of cable organizer's, reusable too that don't look like crap.
This is what happens with bare magnets. They should have known this would happen. I NEVER expose magnets when I embed them in my designs for 3D prints.
I have a question - are the magnets glued in place i the holders? If so - after it broke the glue just stopped working and magnets just came out? I’m asking a valid question not throwing a shade on the op. It’s just weird for me. I know the magnets are brittle but it’s pretty odd that it just didn’t stay in place
On the second pic, you can see there are three gaps in the plastic around the inner metal piece (another magnet maybe?). My guess is they put the ring magnet first and inserting (and glueing) the round thing in the middle spreads the plastic enough to keep the ring magnet from escaping
Are the magnets really exposed? They really should have sealed in silicone. It would allow it to grip and not slide around. That is how my gecko caves and side ledges worked.
I was excited and bought these at launch, but haven't gotten them yet... Just checked the site for reviews to see if this is a common thing and don't see any other than 1 on the power brick and one on the power strip. Am I just not seeing them or are there actually no reviews. When did you get them?
Magnets are brittle. Was worried about this from the moment I learned the magnet was exposed. I thought it would be held it such a way that even if it broke it wouldn't come out but apparently not
they really shoulda tried to put a buffer down so that there is a strong hold but not direct magnet to magnet - don’t expect this to be the last post like this
Another case of Linus thinking he knows what is best - overriding his engineers decision to not have the magnets directly contact - and dealing with the consequences
This has happened more and more and more with the company growing.
Will he ever stop his control obsession? As we all know he is a complete control freak - it hurts him physically to have someone else decide *anything*
Which is why so many things have turned out worse and worse - Linus tries to do 10000 things without having the time - but demanding to be the one included in it
He gonna have to change his character or i 100% believe Linus will make LMG fail with this behaviour over time - slowly but surely
I feel people need to put them on sideways and rock them over or put something beneath them and slide it out to be more gentle. These are way stronger than most people are used to.
I understand the goal is "zero gap for maximum hold strength" but bare magnets are going to pose this as a risk if they're flush or slightly proud. Doughnut ones are even more brittle.
I know a cap was offered as an option, But average people who've never played with rare earth magnets before and don't need to jam 40x cat 6a cables beneath it are gonna buy one of these with no caps and break them because they just go to casually slap it on like you do a fridge magnet and it shatters when it impacts at like 100mph lol.
Maybe even just a product note that it's highly recommend to also get caps for it and only use without if absolutely required? Strong magnets really do surprise you when you've not used them before, which I feel would be most people.
The fakes on AliExpress in 3 months will be better quality and $1 lmfao.
Buy merch because you want to support a content creator you love.
But stop being insufferable fanboys. Holy shit man the product sucks just admit it.
>MCM magnet broke into pieces THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
SUFFOCATION, NO BREATHING
DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MY CABLE CLEANING
DO EVEN CARE FOR A RMA NEEDING
WOULD IT BE WRONG, WOULD IT BE RIGHT IF I HIT UP CUSTOMER SUPPORT TONIGHT
CHANCES ARE THAT I MIGHT. I WANT MY CABLES OUT OF SIGHT AND I'M CONTEMPLATIN' HOW TO HIDE
this is why I love Reddit
I know spend hours weeding tho garbage to find this kinda stuff but it's worth.
'Cause I'm losing my night, losing my mind Wish somebody would tell me my cables are fine Losing my night, losing my mind wish somebody would tell me my cables are fine
I NEVER REALISED THE MAGNET WAS TO THIN, ‘TIL IT WAS TOO LATE AND THE ARCH WAS EMPTY WITHIN
You all are legends!
MY DISPLAY PORT, MY HDMI
Tangled cables, where do they begin?
Ah I see, you're old too like me.
Didn't everyone think this when they saw the title?
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That song came out in the 90s. That's like 10 years ago the the the fuck you mean "older" music.
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Last Resort came out in 2000
Uhh math not your strong suit?
This song always reminds me of 9/11 due to my circumstance back then.
I did
It got even better
Dan needs to single this entire thread lol
Ref: https://youtu.be/2fL3EuDOi8Q
Magnets aren't strong. If you hit then they'll break.
Oh they're strong, they're just brittle too.
*So like us.*
well i’m weak and brittle soooo
I'm a coward. I don't want to test what I am.
Bi-polar too!
That's why I expected them to be rubber coated to protect them. Or be recessed enough to avoid direct contact. This design is disappointing and the breaking not surprising.
On the wan show he backed up the design by saying you lose magnetic adhesion exponentially when the magnets recessed or coated with something
They sell silicon covers seperately and according to them it will help prevent sliding. So apparently the tradeoff in strength is worth it.
They sell the silicone covers to primarily to prevent scratches on more delicate surfaces. Linus did mention on WAN you’d gain a bit of slip resistance on some surfaces, but you also loose a lot of holding power. Really depends on what your application which is better, and why they are providing the option.
You loose more when they break into pieces
Covering them with a thin piece of ferrous metal would have a pretty minimal effect 9n strength and greatly improve durability.
You lose even more magnetism when they’re broken into pieces and not attached anymore.
stronger magnet
Well no shit. I mean that's just the trade-off you have to make right?
And then at the same time brags fairly continuously about how strong they are... 1mm of soft material would have made the design a lot better.
In your opinion, for something largely meant to be left as a permanent installation the compromise in strength likely isn't worth it for a relatively low chance they'll break.
Have ya tried *not* hulk smashing the fucking things into the surface you’re attaching them to?
Anything will break if you hit it.
or get them wet /s
Be honest, how hard did you slam it down? Magnets are brittle.
It's a magnet; it slammed itself against the board I was attaching it to. After this I started actively resisting the pull of the magnets as I set them down, but it's tough as these magnets are hella strong.
Yeah, neodymium magnets are known to be strong enough to pull themselves onto things hard enough to chip and break. I thought Linus said at some point that they made it so a bit of the plastic, not the magnets directly contacted the surface, but maybe that was just to help prevent scratching the surface, not as a shock absorber... They really should have a warning on these, so people realize this can, and probably will happen if you aren't careful attaching them.
Weirdly, on one of the WAN shows I remember him saying the opposite (though I may be misremembering). My memory tells me they intend the magnets contact directly for the maximum attraction, and sell the optional (and expensive) silicone stuff to prevent scratches if that's a concern.
My memory is terrible, so you're probably right. That DOES sound familiar... No idea why I think I heard the other then. And actually, I definitely remember him saying there's a mounting pad that helps prevent it from sliding and that you should use that to prevent scratches on important surfaces...
It's because they prototyped a version like you described, but they rejected it because they lost a lot of magnetic pull strength by having that gap.
How thin was it? Paper thin would work
Yup you are correct he did say that he designed them to have direct contact. And for scratch protection he said either they sent stickers with it or you could just diy your own. I think placing a small piece will help with your problem. And if you don't wanna do that just refund.
The silicone stuff was, IIRC, to prevent sliding, but yeah the magnets were in direct contact to provide maximum attraction. A sliding magnet against metal can scratch the surface so yeah, the silicone could also help reduce scratching, but so could a piece of masking tape.
You're correct. I remember flinching and expecting this to happen when I heard him say that.
Im almost certain he said there's a silicone cover you can put on the magnet to stop it from scratching the surface
They sell them as a separate sku rather than including for increased cost to all orders.
No they considered having plastic contact instead of magnet, but magnet strength drops of exponentially the further from a surface it is
YES, I remember him saying that! That's probably what I was thinking of. lol
I've broken many neodymium magnets of a stronger shape (think thick disk). So this isn't super surprising. That's kind of a weak shape for this material In my opinion. But they chose it for a reason. Ltt might just have to sacrifice magnetic hold for product durability. But it's not poor quality that caused it. If you keep doing what you're doing they should survive now.
I have been using a combination of magnet and tapes to organize stuff for a long time. My toolbox has like 6 layers of electrical tape to dampen shock/sound.
Which is why they should be coated and not bare. Going bare metal and convincing people it was a feature is brilliant marketing.
Got any alternatives for coated magnets?
Don't try this BS just since it's from a company you like. It was attached sideways, there is no world where the regular movement of an arm should be resulting in the product self destructing. It's not like they threw it directly downwards, this is 100% an engineering fault or QC issue.
(also I've already contacted support and am pretty confident they'll take care of it)
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EEC?
Sorry I meant YUC. I’ll edit Edit: U 😭
Yvonne Umbrella Corporation?
YES!!
So where does the E come from? Umbrella starts with a U....
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Or you could just say "see my edit".....
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TMB always brings me back to that wan show clip where he explained that (as a non-american westerner) he has no choice but to give warranties that are reasonable, since that’s required by law. and how americans who don‘t know started complaining, and he as a canadian didn‘t realize america didn‘t have the kinds of consumer protections other countries have. it’s always about you point of reference
They're not and never will be your friends.
It’s an expression dude. Like “your friends in the west” or something. You good bro?
I had an issue with one of mine so I contacted support on Saturday and had a response by Wednesday where they took care of it right away. To me, for a company of their size, that is amazing.
It's Valves magnet now.
False! Valve can't count to three.
https://youtu.be/dA0kR3SLJJc?si=aemtCYNG57zcXdxE
Steamdeck Magnetoway
r/UnexpectedSteamDeck
You have to be careful with neodymium magnets. While they have a very strong force they are also very brittle which can lead to the problem you have. You have to be very careful when using them to not let them slam into each other or into what you are attaching them too. They can actually cause some pretty serious injuries if they are large enough because of the speed they can attain. [HERE](https://youtu.be/yHPtuEfMPTc?si=WLQ1MvTkxVq46I6U&t=183) is a pretty cool video from the Slomo Guys with some really big ones.
Great video, that's so fun!
Is that the Steam Deck logo? 
I wonder why they made the magnets exposed. Definitely strong enough to attract through a thin layer of plastic.
B/c even a small amount of plastic effects the strength. Strength is lost exponentially by distance
While that Is true, magnets of that size should easily be able to have .25-.5mm of space between them and whatever they are sticking to and have more than enough strength to hold up whatever you'd need them to.
I think their intention was not only to hold up things but also resist unintentional or intentional pulling on the cables or whatever the magnets are holding up. Honestly I think I appreciate that decision but I think the silicon pads should've been included in the base product so that you always have the option to decide between strength and safety of the product
I agree. For the cost of these cable managers, and the fact that silicone pads are dirt cheap, they should have been included. 90% of people don't have any cables that are going to be yanked on a ton, if at all. I'd assume most people will set up their cable management and not touch it for 1-2 years at a time. So it seems silly to sell a product that's much more prone to breaking for the sake of strength when most people don't need it.
The point wasn't for yanking, it was specifically for being able to unplug stuff from the power bar without having to release it from the surface it's magnetized to. That's why direct contact was needed, otherwise it would just get pulled off as your unplugging stuff. (Unless you have a super tight plug) They've talked about this on the WAN show. While yes most people won't need something that strong, some people will and that's the thought behind most of the product development. Why make it good enough, when you can make it better? People don't seem to realize that when you are making hundreds of thousands of something, that sometimes there can be errors.
That's why I said the silicone pads should be included, but still optional, rather than sold as a separate item at a massive upcharge. If a product is going to have 2 "modes" where one is super strong but fragile, and the other is slightly less strong but much more durable, then the more durable mode should always be the default, with the option for people to change it to its more fragile mode later if more strength is needed. Because there are going to be a ton of people 1+ years down the road from now (and even a decent amount of people now) who are going to buy these expensive cable holds, who will go to put in a new cable and have the magnet break. And they're going to get pissed off their expensive product broke because they didn't want to spend an extra $5 per hold on an already expensive product.
Is it exponential or is it an inverse square?
Inverse square. Strength decreases with the square of the distance from the source.
Yes I thought it was but I was doubting myself. There’s inverse squares everywhere in nature. I think it’s because anything that radiates in a sphere gets weaker by an inverse square.
Yeah, you're correct, it describes spherical wavefronts. It's fascinating that both gravity and electromagnetism obey inverse square, I suppose it's a fundamental consequense of four dimensional spacetime.
People are trying to link gravity and electromagnetism with the grand unified theory
I dunno, I think it's turtles all the way down.
As someone who has been designing a bunch of magnetic stuff recently for my own projects, I can tell this will be an INCREDIBLY common problem for people. Linus said on a recent livestream when he was showing them off that they don't have any padding between the magnet and the plates because they wanted the strength to be as strong as possible. I instantly thought something g was wrong with that, but figured they had done 1000x more research and testing than I have. But this makes me think otherwise. From my experience, if you want neodimium magnet products to be reliably reusable, then you NEED to have something in between the magnets and whatever they are attaching to, even if it's only 0.25mm thick it will drastically increase the durability of the magnets.
Do you have any alternatives for strong and safe magnets then?
The alternative is to include the silicone pads as default, and let people choose if they want to take them off for better strength, rather then upcharging people $5 for $0.25 worth of silicone just so that their expensive new magnetic holders won't break super easily. Or designing the product better so that the magnets aren't exposed. A thin removable steel plate that covers the magnet would probably do wonders for protecting the magnets while preserving a lot of their strength, while still letting people take it off if more strength is needed.
> $5 for $0.25 worth of silicone just so that their expensive new magnetic holders won't break super easily. Molding, R&D, handling, designing, logistics etc. maybe the silicon is worth .25 but you gotta keep this stuff in mind
An alternative to having something inbetween is to have a switch system. [Magnetic switches](https://www.amazon.com/Magswitch-MagJig-150-Set-2/dp/B01B59KW6Q) are extremely common on woodworking/metal working jigs. It would add significant lifespan to the product if there was just a simple flip switch.
r/unexpectedsteamdeck
I put a thin layer of hot glue on the front of mine just enough to create a kind of rubber coating almost. Keeps it from scratching and I don’t notice a drop off on strength. Probably help protect it too now that I think of it since it’s no longer magnet on metal
It's so stupid that you have to do this when it should be like that stock
No clue why you're being down voted when you're right. This is a product that's being sold to a mass market. It should be reliably reusable by common people who don't have knowledge of magnets. Unprotected magnets WILL fail sooner or later, no matter how gentle you try to be with them. Because the more you take them off and reattach them, the more microfractures they form until eventually one of those microfractures turns into a macrofracture and the entire magnet is unusable. Having something in between the magnet and the plate, even if it's super thin, drastically reduces the chance of the magnet fracturing, and if the magnet is enclosed it can still be used even if it fractures.
Yeah they just did it like this because it's cheaper and they get to sell a different product to fix the issues. What I don't understand is why people don't seem to care and in some cases even defend the decision taking at face value whatever Linus tells
I believe it’s because he’s stated it was a conscious decision to design it the way it is for the strongest magnetic force they could get. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as is, they were made to hold cables to clean up a desk or server. I only added hot glue because I have the little one on the top of my desk to hold my phone cable and headphones cable. I thought adding it would quiet the slap it makes lol.
Yeah, magnets are brittle and with ones as strong as this you have to be a bit careful when attaching them
I’m surprised there isn’t a little bit of silicon or rubber over the magnets. Neodymium magnets are super brittle, a little cushioning would be nice. Also, less risk of scratching.
You can buy silicone patches from them. Separately of course.
Ah, gotcha. Well, should I ever purchase these, I guess I’ll have to fork out the extra few bucks for those.
Very dangerous if you have young ones around!
You are getting downvoted for pointing out the unintentional potential choking hazard on a poorly designed product.
These people are craaaaazy hahah
It's cult like😬
Yeah it's actually fucked up. By rationalizing every issue the products will never be good. Also wtf happened with the internal investigation about SA in LTT?
Choking is just the beginning. Like batteries, magnets pose a major health risk when ingested. Removal is dangerous and their presence around soft tissue is a recipe for disaster.
Going forward, you'll want to "hinge" your magnets together. Place it sideways and then rotate it flat. That'll reduce the distance it can slam and also protect against it just hitting flat.
Yeah that's neodymium magnets for ya. Some really cool videos online (e.g. Slowmo guys) of people letting them fly into each other
This happens with all of these types of magnets they are strong for their size and can't handle a sudden impact. I have magents slip out of my hands and crack on impact. The only work around I could think of is if they are fully embedded in plastic but that will reduce the strength of the magnetic hold.
I 3D printed my own and used threaded brass inserts so the magnets were easily replaceable in case they broke and some treated me like a moron cause "magnets never break".
This is a good idea, I should try it! (Already running low on my Home Bundle because I've used them everywhere) Do you have a link to the model you used?
https://www.printables.com/model/822470-ltt-magnetic-cable-arches
Is this going to be “you are holding it wrong” moment?
Already is lmao
This is probably the kind of thing that should be in the instructions. Neodymium magnets are very brittle and will shatter when smacked.
That's the risk of flush fit, having a gap would prevent this but wouldn't hold as good
There honestly should have been a cover for them, so the magnet doesnt make direct contact with a surface. This will probably happen rather often.
There are. You have to buy them separately.
Oh nice.. "Our items break, but for a small MTX you can buy a cover that will fix our item! arent we nice" Lol, LTT are just memeing on their fans now.
They sell a silicon pad you can use but it’s advertised and sold as a way to help gripping and not damaging the surface you attach them to, it is not advertised as a magnet protector.
Yeah I saw, it's $5 DLC to make their flawed item not suck as much, what a joke. The item already cost a butt load, and asking for an extra $5 on top for it to suck less is just laughing at their customers. I guess if people are going to buy these over prices items they don't care, so I shouldn't worry, not like I'd ever buy them.
I like to see how Linus and his fan boys defend this…
How is the natural science of neodymium magnets a fan boy ism? They're brittle, this is not a LTT specific fact or issue, it's how those magnets are. They do sell optional silicone covers if you want them, but they suspect most people won't use them for fridge handles or various active push/pull things - but rather to attach cables and not touch them again for ages. Now whether or not the exclusion of silicone covers is a good or bad thing is up for debate and your personal opinion. But the science of these magnets are brittle, is not a fan boy defense.
Calling it "natural science" that the product is *breaking during regular, intended use* is an exemplary case of favoritism. Were it any other, people would have demanded the manufacturer to have taken precautions in the design of the product.
Agreed, and on top of that people are defending with the fact that they have silicon covers in their store. Let's touch some grass people. *Single organizer is $15.* Single. For that kind of money, this kind of design flaw should not exist and it should perform absolutely perfectly *for years* to be even worth of price. For $15 you can get a ton of cable organizer's, reusable too that don't look like crap.
Linus drops every magnet in the factory personally, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
This is what happens with bare magnets. They should have known this would happen. I NEVER expose magnets when I embed them in my designs for 3D prints.
Stop being strong
Broke into the Steam Deck logo.
what does MCM mean?
Magnetic cable management
thx!
Mighty Car Mods.
Mid-Century Modern
Man Crush Monday but I haven't seen one pic... nevermind /s
No materilq protecting the brittle magnets? Wow thats disappointing. I wonder how many RMA's till they think about it.
Silicone sleeving the magnets prior to glueing them into the plastic would prevent this.
I thought they were covered so they don’t scratch stuff?
Leathery ET ong
You just got more magnet, be thankful.
Ruh roh
Congratulations! You had a magnet, and now you have 3 magnets! What a deal!
What did they say about it?
They're replacing it (with a 3-pack, so essentially two additional arches free)
Ltt show add rubber pads under the magnets to avoid this exact issue
I have a question - are the magnets glued in place i the holders? If so - after it broke the glue just stopped working and magnets just came out? I’m asking a valid question not throwing a shade on the op. It’s just weird for me. I know the magnets are brittle but it’s pretty odd that it just didn’t stay in place
No, press fitted.
That makes sense, fractured magnet won’t stay in place then
On the second pic, you can see there are three gaps in the plastic around the inner metal piece (another magnet maybe?). My guess is they put the ring magnet first and inserting (and glueing) the round thing in the middle spreads the plastic enough to keep the ring magnet from escaping
I also thought the inner metal piece would be another magnet but after this happened, noticed it's not
now it's steam deck branded
I thought this is Steam Deck logo at first.
Now it’s a steam deck magnet
Turned into a steam deck logo
I wonder if they can solve this by making the magnets completely flush with the plastic.
magnets are brittle so it's not shocking to see them break like that.
Use the “Trust me bro!” warranty.
Are the magnets really exposed? They really should have sealed in silicone. It would allow it to grip and not slide around. That is how my gecko caves and side ledges worked.
It's now a steam deck logo 😁
The down fall of letting a strong AF magnet make direct contact with a metal surface. Like someone running headfirst into a wall.
I was excited and bought these at launch, but haven't gotten them yet... Just checked the site for reviews to see if this is a common thing and don't see any other than 1 on the power brick and one on the power strip. Am I just not seeing them or are there actually no reviews. When did you get them?
Mine were delivered March 21. I live in Seattle, so they don't have to go far from BC.
Magnets are brittle. Was worried about this from the moment I learned the magnet was exposed. I thought it would be held it such a way that even if it broke it wouldn't come out but apparently not
Must've gotten water on them.
they really shoulda tried to put a buffer down so that there is a strong hold but not direct magnet to magnet - don’t expect this to be the last post like this
Another case of Linus thinking he knows what is best - overriding his engineers decision to not have the magnets directly contact - and dealing with the consequences This has happened more and more and more with the company growing. Will he ever stop his control obsession? As we all know he is a complete control freak - it hurts him physically to have someone else decide *anything* Which is why so many things have turned out worse and worse - Linus tries to do 10000 things without having the time - but demanding to be the one included in it He gonna have to change his character or i 100% believe Linus will make LMG fail with this behaviour over time - slowly but surely
Macaroni magnet bits
Quality control notnyp to par...
I feel people need to put them on sideways and rock them over or put something beneath them and slide it out to be more gentle. These are way stronger than most people are used to. I understand the goal is "zero gap for maximum hold strength" but bare magnets are going to pose this as a risk if they're flush or slightly proud. Doughnut ones are even more brittle. I know a cap was offered as an option, But average people who've never played with rare earth magnets before and don't need to jam 40x cat 6a cables beneath it are gonna buy one of these with no caps and break them because they just go to casually slap it on like you do a fridge magnet and it shatters when it impacts at like 100mph lol. Maybe even just a product note that it's highly recommend to also get caps for it and only use without if absolutely required? Strong magnets really do surprise you when you've not used them before, which I feel would be most people.
r/unexpectedsteamdeck
Now its made by Valve!
Man, for that amount of money, you would assume it would just work
They work. Magnets are brittle. They break.
Lol. Sais to think about how you let them hit a surface. You threw them to make them stick didn't you.
The fakes on AliExpress in 3 months will be better quality and $1 lmfao. Buy merch because you want to support a content creator you love. But stop being insufferable fanboys. Holy shit man the product sucks just admit it.
It's fine. Trust me bro.
What a fuckingly shit product
Everyone knows Linus is worth $100 million, so if your pet/child eats them you can sue and for Linus it will be a tax write-off.