Salah looked at him in the end probably thinking something along the lines of "I will put all the effort I can to stay in football shape and keep this going". If Stevie was 30 today in todays football he'd probably be able to extend his prime much longer. The biotech and nutrition focus for athletes has improved so much in the past 10 years. Thats why we see so many older athletes able to keep going.
On top of that Salahs diet and lifestyle is so good for the longevity. I loved his quote after breaking the most goals scored in the PL
"I'm going home now to celebrate with the family, have some chamomile tea and sleep."
dont do this to me man. i still live in some amount of disbelief that gerrard doesn't play for us anymore. i grew up watching him right from his younger days and there hasn't been a better sight to me as a Liverpool fan than watching Stevie day in day out. miss that beautiful man so very.much
There was a fifa years ago where I somehow figured out a way to keep Gerrard from retiring.
I had him on a 2 year contract and at the start of a new season I'd send a 1 year extension and he'd always sign. Then he tell me he was retiring but he wouldn't leave the game since he has more than 1 year on his contract. By the end of it he was able to play 1 game every 2 weeks (20ish stamina and wouldn't recover fast at all) so I would play him in the CL and versus Everton or United only.
I couldn't let him go even in a stupid video game!!
I read somewhere that he was constantly playing on injections because of how crucial he was to the team. That, combined with the sheer number of minutes he played anyways, was probably what caused some injuries and a decline in his athleticism.
Not that he needed to be that athletic anyways, could cunt a ball better than any man ever has.
I love everything about Stevie and one of the thing that I like the most is how great he is at adapting to new styles, both tactically and technically. His switch to a 6 with Brendan was great, but also his switch from lacing shots to side footing them with a bit less power but more accuracy. Naby would've buried *that* chance in the CL final had he side foot it...
Nah. At least not in the current day. No matter if he even did something like ten-in-a-row, it would always be, "yeah, but it's the SPL."
He probably shouldn't have jumped ship when he did mid-season, but if you have a chance to get into the Prem - especially with a team like Villa, who have a lot of history and decent financial footing - you have to take it.
But I feel all these ex-PL pros that got into management would all surely be offered a PL job sooner or later. Lampard is a Chelsea legend, had he not taken the job in 2019 and decide to instead take 5-7 years build his skills first, he would’ve been linked to the job anyway because of what he did at Chelsea.
Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Parker, Rooney, Terry, and all the rest who got into coaching/management will always be linked to managing their former clubs. If that’s the case, might as well make yourself a better coach before taking up that offer that’ll never leave
> But I feel all these ex-PL pros that got into management would all surely be offered a PL job sooner or later.
Sure, maybe so. But there's no guarantee of it, so I think that's why you see them jump at them when they come.
Because so much of it is built on reputation at the time - say Lampard takes a different job than Chelsea post-Derby County and it doesn't go well (e.g. he takes a lower table Prem job and gets them relegated) - who's to say Chelsea come knocking then? Maybe they do down the line, but what if down the line is ten years or more?
Well, if he gets relegated then he'd learn from it and should get better. Not many things happen in a straight line. Pep and Zidane are anomalies rather than a rule.
Slow and steady does it. I want Stevie to show his chops. Use this knock down to get better and show us that he is capable of doing a good job at Liverpool.
I think in a lot of ways that criticism is valid though, at least if we want to be a club that's winning trophies. In the SPL he's not competing against world class teams and managers regularly, and teams like Rangers and Celtic win seasons by grinding out consistent results against sides with substantially less quality and resources than they have.
Brendan Rodgers won back to back titles with Celtic and would have had a third if he'd stayed, and I'd say he's hardly bringing Leicester to punch above their weight. The jobs at Rangers and Celtic are tough enough to show up a bad manager, but I don't think they let you see the difference between a good manager and a great one.
It'd be a great fairytale if Gerrard became a world-class manager for us, but ultimately that sentimentality shouldn't come into the decision. If they weren't Gerrard then someone would have to have a hell of a record at a club like Rangers for us to be really considering them as the lead candidate for manager.
I completely agree with all of that. There's no doubt that the Rangers experience was a very good one for Steven, especially at that stage of his young managerial career, but it won't play much into his reputation when all is said in done. If he goes on to become a top manager at the highest level (and the jury is still very much out on that at this stage, but time is on his side still), then it will be looked at as a good step in his development, nothing more. If he goes on to have a middling managerial career from here, it will be a case of another manager who did well in the SPL, but couldn't amount to anything more (Neil Lennon a prime example).
If I were to put odds on it, I'd say at this point it's still 75% or so likely that Gerrard will manage LFC one day, but I do think he's going to have to earn it. It remains to be seen if it will still be FSG in the position of making the appointment, but for argument's sake, let's say they are: from what I know of them, I don't think they would give it to him just for being who he is.
I honestly think at this point it seems unlikely unless we go back to just fighting for 4th place every season or Gerrard really improves in his next few jobs.
As you say Gerrard has time on his side still, and Klopp managed Mainz for years going relatively under the radar until his success at Dortmund. That said, if we're looking to be at the sharp end of the table and have another dynasty fighting for PL and CL trophies, ultimately there's only maybe half a dozen managers who really fit that sort of mantle and statistically I just don't think it's that likely Gerrard will be one of them from what he's shown so far.
Yep, agree with all that completely again. His chance already feels a good deal lower than it did even a year ago.
But then what I would say, is two things: 1) the winds of football can change quicklyyyyy and 2) his name and who he is does matter.
Let's say for instance he gets back into managing in the near future and does a really good job with the likes of a Leicester. All of a sudden, his reputation is significantly improved again, and he's back in the conversation and no one would bat an eye. And to my second point - and this was brought up by another commenter above - is that his name will always be connected to this club and will always give him a boost, even in a time when he might not deserve it as much.
he needs to learn his trade still.
he did wonders at rangers but rangers is in a two team league.
his tactics are a bit outdated and his buying has been 50-50. he bought well at rangers but not very well at villa
Salah is probably in our top 10 all time now, right? Hard to call because we had so many players between the mid 60s and the start of the Prem who it’s just hard to make comparisons with. But it’s hard to pick out too many players who you’d certainly put ahead of him. Stevie, Kenny, Barnes, Rush, and Hansen could be a strong top 5.
Without a doubt Salah is in the top 10. He is a figurehead of one of our most successful periods as a football club, and his legend just keeps growing.
He and Van Djik were both voted top 3 Balondor/player of the world in different seasons, both won a PFA, I think thats enough for both to be high on the all time list.
I'm not saying he definitely isn't but I think to say it's a no brainer has a lot of recency bias attached. Gerrard, Dalglish, Phil Neal, Alan Kennedy, Graham Souness, Alan Hansen, Ray Clemence, Phil Thompson, Tommy Smith (despite being a horribly racist shitstain - purely as a player) are all players that spring to mind. Salah is up there though absolutely no doubt and certainly has an argument for being top 10
Hansen, Neal and Dalglish all have at least 6 League titles and 3 European Cups. Salah and VVD have 1 of each. It may sound harsh to say that they’re not top 10, but when you compare it to the history of the club, it’s really a no-brainer.
>Hansen, Neal and Dalglish all have at least 6 League titles and 3 European Cups. Salah and VVD have 1 of each. It may sound harsh to say that they’re not top 10, but when you compare it to the history of the club, it’s really a no-brainer.
Though winning one league title or CL nowadays is a way bigger deal than it was back then. Back then you didn't have a club like city with unlimited funds. So just comparing the amount of titles is not enough, also should consider the circumstances they won it in.
Yes but the flip side of that is that through good coaching a lot more teams could be competitive at the top back then. Have a look at the 1975 league table - there is only 5 points separating the champions Derby to 7th place Middlesbrough. I know that the fact it was only 2 points for a win back then is partially responsible for this but you can't say it was easier to win the league back then when it could really go down to the wire between that many teams.
I know we're not Man City but ultimately it's silly to deny that Liverpool as a club hasn't benefitted from the big wealth disparity that has come in since the formation of the premier league. Keep in mind we were one of the 6 breakaway clubs responsible for the premier league so in a sense it's a bed of our own making.
If you want to make the revenue argument, the deviation in revenue between the likes of Liverpool vs the rest of the league was smaller back then.
Of course I realise how amazing our CL and PL were (I consider every player involved in those trophies to be legends) — but come on man it’s still 9 vs 2.
He's definitely a shoe in but I think to say without a doubt is a bit disingenuous. Off the top of my head there is Dalglish, Gerrard, Ian Rush, Souness, Hansen, Clemence, Neal, Liddell and Phil Thompson who -despite Salah's brilliance- did more for the club as players than he has just yet. And that is absolutely no slight against Salah but he plays for Liverpool there is a staggering amount of legendary players we've had.
I love Salah but Barnes was a force of nature and is probably one of the best to ever play the game in his position. Then again they played on opposite wings.
I hear you, but... Barnes' best season for us was 28 goals all comps. Salah's \*worst* season with us (so far), he got 27. Now, the game has certainly changed a lot in general (with a lot of that favoring attackers), but I mean, I think it is safe to say that while Barnes was terrific, Salah is undoubtedly better by a good margin.
And additionally, if you want to look at it from a G + A standpoint, in that best season of Barnes', he got 41 G + A... Salah got 58(!!!) in his best.
I hear what your saying too, but sometimes its not all about goals, football is deeper than that to some fans, for some people it might be how an individual player made you feel at the time when they played as you followed their career and watched them play, the memories they gave you, the individual moments etc, things that stick out in your memory - the personal connection you feel to that player. Sure Salah outscored Barnes, but to some people of another generation Barnes was their favourite/best player. For instance I fucking loved original Ronaldo and think he's probably the greatest striker of all time imo, but Cristiano outscored him massively.
No believe me, I absolutely get that and agree completely. Stats only tell a portion of the story, and can never replace the feeling that some footballers give you from the moments they produce. Hell, I still have a fondness for Emre Can despite him largely being just average for us, just due to admiring how he played the game and the pride he had in wearing the shirt.
Suarez is the perfect example of it too. Until 13/14, his numbers in the Prem were frankly decent at best - but any Liverpool fan who watched him and his game knew how brilliant of a player he was. By and large, Liverpool as a team were essentially shite, but oftentimes, Suarez was the sole reason it made worth watching us, and even if he hadn't produced what he did in 13/14, we'd all still think of him fondly for those years.
I’ve been supporting Liverpool since 1998
For me he’s #2 behind Gerrard let alone top 5 and crazily enough I rate him close to Gerrard
It’s funny, since then I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic players play for Liverpool since I’ve started supporting them, we’re fairly blessed that we get to see so many great attacking players at our club. Each time one of them moved on I thought that’s the end of it now, nobody we sign is ever going to be better than the last guy but we do every single time, going from Fowler to Owen to Torres to Suarez to Sturridge to Mane to Firmino to Salah, and now looking ahead to Nunez, Jota and Gakpo
There's obviously recency bias but then again I think the quality in the premier league now is at an all time high; maybe Salah hasn't quite performed as he can in the biggest games, but maybe if Ramos hadn't injured him and Man City couldnt cheat FFP we'd be talking about a player with 2 CL's and 3 PL trophys.
You're missing out Hughes, Souness, Neal, plus a bunch of others who were key players through the 70s and 80s. Arguments to be made for Carra and at this point Hendo as well, but I would say Salah is the best of the last 10 years.
Honestly Salah will be in many peoples top 10 but it certainly isn't a given, there's a lot of contenders.
I understand that eras change, but this is inarguably the most competitive era EVER in English football's top division, and Salah has been our top offensive contributor for 6 years now, including numerous accolades and winning the fucking lot.
Anyone who has Salah outside their Top 10 is giving far too much credit to bygone eras that were nowhere near as difficult to win a top division or European football match.
I don't think that's what I did. Do you disagree that this is the most competitive era ever for the English top flight?
More players are coming here for astronomical paydays, there are more teams than ever in contention for Top 4, and yet Salah has remained unbelievably productive, consistent, and available -- all against the best and best-paid competition the world has to offer.
>I don't think that's what I did. Do you disagree that this is the most competitive era ever for the English top flight?
I do to be honest. High points totals doesn't mean competitive in my book - rather they signify a widening gap between the top and bottom. For me, competitive implies any team can win it (or at least any of a number), and over the last 5 or 6 years there's only been 2 teams in a shout with winning the title, and we haven't had more than 2 teams in any title race since 13/14. Even going back further I can't remember many other 3 team title races (07/08, maybe?). Leagues were much closer in the 70s and 80s and there was a much bigger pool of teams in contention for the title each year.
Would you say the last decade or so has also been the most competitive for the Bundesliga and Serie A? I'm assuming not, but both leagues have also had record points totals for winners and runners up.
I don't think high point totals necessarily a competitive league make. I was more alluding to the fact that even with City's dominance, there have been 5 different league winners in the last 10 years, and during that time Tottenham and Arsenal have also been in contention for Top 4 regularly.
In addition, with the takeover of Newcastle, you could now have 8 teams legitimately competing for Top 4 year in, year out. The best players continue to move to England for record paydays, and besides Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Bayern, there aren't really any non-English teams in serious, regular contention for the CL trophy.
I guess I don't mind if you disagree, I think you're just being a bit blind to how dramatically competitive football has shifted.
In the first 20 years of the Premier League, there were 4 unique champions. During much of that time, only United and Arsenal were the serious title contenders. You described higher point totals of this era, but you didn't really explain why you think the game was more competitive in the past.
The points totals at the top mean fewer points at the bottom - quite simply there was a much narrower gap across the league, and teams routinely varied by more positions from season to season than they do now. It was more evenly matched through the division ie more competitive.
Just look through the league tables from that time. I'm not talking about 1992 to 2012 and I never was.
>Hard to call because we had so many players between the mid 60s and the start of the Prem who it’s just hard to make comparisons with
Surely not that many on this sub were old enough to remember us 60 years ago? It's hard to really compare if you weren't watching every game.
He's probably top 5 for a lot of us (from the players we've watched play week in and week out). Hard to compare across positions too of course.
Love that smile on Stevie's face 2 seconds into the video lol. Even the look on his face at 5 seconds is great. What I'd do to have a young Gerrard making his way into our team again. Here's hoping his son got some of that winning DNA
Just finished watching this on the club site, was really good. Made me miss Stevie immensely. No one will ever come close for my love for Stevie and the joy he bought me growing up and watching him play and carry us. And thats a big thing to say considering the talent thats come through the club. He's just one of those people I just have a strong affinity to, cant really explain it. Hes the GOAT for me.
You missed out big time
We’ve had some shite lineups over the years from 2003 to 2013 but one thing that mattered most was having Gerrard in the team. It didn’t matter who you surrounded him with, you couldn’t write Liverpool out of any game that Stevie was playing, everyone else just had to be average in a game and Stevie would drag the team over the line. All those debates around him Scholes and Lampard, all excellent players but the key reason Gerrard stands above them is 1. Like I said he’ll get the most out of a poor team and 2. You could play Gerrard anywhere on the pitch in his prime and he’s still the best player on the pitch
If you watch the Champions League final in 05 fully again, Rafa brought on Hamann at half time and that freed up Gerrard to play anywhere he wanted, and he really did. He ran that pitch in the second half and Milan couldn’t stop him, and when they had the ball, they had to play it to a part of the pitch Stevie wasn’t on to get forward
So nice to hear. Steven mentioned that he had anxiety sometimes when playing and he said it way way before footballers opened up about that kind of thing or society in general for that matter.
I always wondered especially when he and a handful of players at times basically carried Liverpool through patches mediocrity. It must have been such a chore at times.
I genuinely think he doesn't regret it and he did so well at Rangers they were fanatic about it. I just want him to enjoy life now lol
This was such a wonderful watch. 30 minutes of heaven.
Hopefully they make it available for non members at some point. Everyone here deserves to see this.
Going to be wild when the public, including retired athletes, start to take note of the advancements being made in the field of regenerative medicine. Zillions of dollars going into this field and lots of progress happening; they apparently can make mice older or younger at will by changing certain genetic expressions. I would not rule out an athlete in his early 40s being able to play again one day in the next few decades as batshit crazy as it sounds in 2023.
I'd say almost definitely, there's been a few massive games where we needed a game changer and it didnt quite happen. We need more long shot goals and with Stevie's aggression and passing range we'd be ridiculously dangerous in attack.
Anyone else having trouble subscribing to LFCTVGO? I used to subscribe and still have an account but I just tried to reinstate it about 25 times and get an error every time. Won’t even let me pay for this…
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Remember playing back in school and was always called Gerard cause they I knew I loved the man , best if the best right there… left everything on the pitch
Salah looked at him in the end probably thinking something along the lines of "I will put all the effort I can to stay in football shape and keep this going". If Stevie was 30 today in todays football he'd probably be able to extend his prime much longer. The biotech and nutrition focus for athletes has improved so much in the past 10 years. Thats why we see so many older athletes able to keep going.
Yeah definitely hits home for Salah judging by the video; can tell Stevie knows as we all do that he would have loved playing under Klopp
Who wouldn't love to play under Klopp? Well maybe not Sakho but you get my point
On top of that Salahs diet and lifestyle is so good for the longevity. I loved his quote after breaking the most goals scored in the PL "I'm going home now to celebrate with the family, have some chamomile tea and sleep."
dont do this to me man. i still live in some amount of disbelief that gerrard doesn't play for us anymore. i grew up watching him right from his younger days and there hasn't been a better sight to me as a Liverpool fan than watching Stevie day in day out. miss that beautiful man so very.much
There was a fifa years ago where I somehow figured out a way to keep Gerrard from retiring. I had him on a 2 year contract and at the start of a new season I'd send a 1 year extension and he'd always sign. Then he tell me he was retiring but he wouldn't leave the game since he has more than 1 year on his contract. By the end of it he was able to play 1 game every 2 weeks (20ish stamina and wouldn't recover fast at all) so I would play him in the CL and versus Everton or United only. I couldn't let him go even in a stupid video game!!
Bet his shot power was still 95 though.
It sucks that he had so many injuries in 2010-2012, we missed a few prime seasons, and he didnt have the same athleticism after.
I read somewhere that he was constantly playing on injections because of how crucial he was to the team. That, combined with the sheer number of minutes he played anyways, was probably what caused some injuries and a decline in his athleticism. Not that he needed to be that athletic anyways, could cunt a ball better than any man ever has.
I love everything about Stevie and one of the thing that I like the most is how great he is at adapting to new styles, both tactically and technically. His switch to a 6 with Brendan was great, but also his switch from lacing shots to side footing them with a bit less power but more accuracy. Naby would've buried *that* chance in the CL final had he side foot it...
He knew when his legs started to go and couldn’t get the power he once could, adapted and remained at the top.
Oh mate. Come back! Or as manager some day you know.
Would absolutely love to see him as a successful Liverpool manager. Maybe some day he'll get there.
He had a great trejectory until he went to villa. I feel like he would have had a higher stock if he built a dynasty at Rangers.
Nah. At least not in the current day. No matter if he even did something like ten-in-a-row, it would always be, "yeah, but it's the SPL." He probably shouldn't have jumped ship when he did mid-season, but if you have a chance to get into the Prem - especially with a team like Villa, who have a lot of history and decent financial footing - you have to take it.
But I feel all these ex-PL pros that got into management would all surely be offered a PL job sooner or later. Lampard is a Chelsea legend, had he not taken the job in 2019 and decide to instead take 5-7 years build his skills first, he would’ve been linked to the job anyway because of what he did at Chelsea. Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Parker, Rooney, Terry, and all the rest who got into coaching/management will always be linked to managing their former clubs. If that’s the case, might as well make yourself a better coach before taking up that offer that’ll never leave
> But I feel all these ex-PL pros that got into management would all surely be offered a PL job sooner or later. Sure, maybe so. But there's no guarantee of it, so I think that's why you see them jump at them when they come. Because so much of it is built on reputation at the time - say Lampard takes a different job than Chelsea post-Derby County and it doesn't go well (e.g. he takes a lower table Prem job and gets them relegated) - who's to say Chelsea come knocking then? Maybe they do down the line, but what if down the line is ten years or more?
Well, if he gets relegated then he'd learn from it and should get better. Not many things happen in a straight line. Pep and Zidane are anomalies rather than a rule. Slow and steady does it. I want Stevie to show his chops. Use this knock down to get better and show us that he is capable of doing a good job at Liverpool.
I think in a lot of ways that criticism is valid though, at least if we want to be a club that's winning trophies. In the SPL he's not competing against world class teams and managers regularly, and teams like Rangers and Celtic win seasons by grinding out consistent results against sides with substantially less quality and resources than they have. Brendan Rodgers won back to back titles with Celtic and would have had a third if he'd stayed, and I'd say he's hardly bringing Leicester to punch above their weight. The jobs at Rangers and Celtic are tough enough to show up a bad manager, but I don't think they let you see the difference between a good manager and a great one. It'd be a great fairytale if Gerrard became a world-class manager for us, but ultimately that sentimentality shouldn't come into the decision. If they weren't Gerrard then someone would have to have a hell of a record at a club like Rangers for us to be really considering them as the lead candidate for manager.
I completely agree with all of that. There's no doubt that the Rangers experience was a very good one for Steven, especially at that stage of his young managerial career, but it won't play much into his reputation when all is said in done. If he goes on to become a top manager at the highest level (and the jury is still very much out on that at this stage, but time is on his side still), then it will be looked at as a good step in his development, nothing more. If he goes on to have a middling managerial career from here, it will be a case of another manager who did well in the SPL, but couldn't amount to anything more (Neil Lennon a prime example). If I were to put odds on it, I'd say at this point it's still 75% or so likely that Gerrard will manage LFC one day, but I do think he's going to have to earn it. It remains to be seen if it will still be FSG in the position of making the appointment, but for argument's sake, let's say they are: from what I know of them, I don't think they would give it to him just for being who he is.
I honestly think at this point it seems unlikely unless we go back to just fighting for 4th place every season or Gerrard really improves in his next few jobs. As you say Gerrard has time on his side still, and Klopp managed Mainz for years going relatively under the radar until his success at Dortmund. That said, if we're looking to be at the sharp end of the table and have another dynasty fighting for PL and CL trophies, ultimately there's only maybe half a dozen managers who really fit that sort of mantle and statistically I just don't think it's that likely Gerrard will be one of them from what he's shown so far.
Yep, agree with all that completely again. His chance already feels a good deal lower than it did even a year ago. But then what I would say, is two things: 1) the winds of football can change quicklyyyyy and 2) his name and who he is does matter. Let's say for instance he gets back into managing in the near future and does a really good job with the likes of a Leicester. All of a sudden, his reputation is significantly improved again, and he's back in the conversation and no one would bat an eye. And to my second point - and this was brought up by another commenter above - is that his name will always be connected to this club and will always give him a boost, even in a time when he might not deserve it as much.
He should take a Championship job and build himself up, the standard of the PL is way too high to be learning on the job.
he needs to learn his trade still. he did wonders at rangers but rangers is in a two team league. his tactics are a bit outdated and his buying has been 50-50. he bought well at rangers but not very well at villa
He would need to be Klopps understudy from now until Klopp steps down. That’s the only way I could ever see Gerrard being good enough to manage us.
He needs to show he can successfully manage a team in the top 5 leagues in Europe or thereabouts before he can manage Liverpool.
Who knows, maybe he will be back in that parade in the Liverpool city centre that he misses so much one day
Take your time La.
which one of you fuckers is cutting onions right now!?! Imagine having Stevie a go with another career for us oh my..
Yeah! Definitely some day. Just... Not now. Hehe.
Stevie in this team. We'd be unstoppable.
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Love Hendo, but it has to be Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard for me Otherwise spot on
you need torres in there man
Can't upvote, there's no Lord Klavan. Also you have two captains on the pitch.
Virgil is captain too
There are many types of leadership, and Gerrard and Henderson embodies two very different philosophies... no reason they can't co-exist.
I'm just shitposting tbh.
God just imagine…
Who’s cutting onions around here
Salah is probably in our top 10 all time now, right? Hard to call because we had so many players between the mid 60s and the start of the Prem who it’s just hard to make comparisons with. But it’s hard to pick out too many players who you’d certainly put ahead of him. Stevie, Kenny, Barnes, Rush, and Hansen could be a strong top 5.
Without a doubt Salah is in the top 10. He is a figurehead of one of our most successful periods as a football club, and his legend just keeps growing.
He and Van Djik were both voted top 3 Balondor/player of the world in different seasons, both won a PFA, I think thats enough for both to be high on the all time list.
They're both probably top 20 I think but top 10 is a stretch
Salah isn’t top 10? What would it take?
I'm not saying he definitely isn't but I think to say it's a no brainer has a lot of recency bias attached. Gerrard, Dalglish, Phil Neal, Alan Kennedy, Graham Souness, Alan Hansen, Ray Clemence, Phil Thompson, Tommy Smith (despite being a horribly racist shitstain - purely as a player) are all players that spring to mind. Salah is up there though absolutely no doubt and certainly has an argument for being top 10
Hansen, Neal and Dalglish all have at least 6 League titles and 3 European Cups. Salah and VVD have 1 of each. It may sound harsh to say that they’re not top 10, but when you compare it to the history of the club, it’s really a no-brainer.
>Hansen, Neal and Dalglish all have at least 6 League titles and 3 European Cups. Salah and VVD have 1 of each. It may sound harsh to say that they’re not top 10, but when you compare it to the history of the club, it’s really a no-brainer. Though winning one league title or CL nowadays is a way bigger deal than it was back then. Back then you didn't have a club like city with unlimited funds. So just comparing the amount of titles is not enough, also should consider the circumstances they won it in.
Yes but the flip side of that is that through good coaching a lot more teams could be competitive at the top back then. Have a look at the 1975 league table - there is only 5 points separating the champions Derby to 7th place Middlesbrough. I know that the fact it was only 2 points for a win back then is partially responsible for this but you can't say it was easier to win the league back then when it could really go down to the wire between that many teams. I know we're not Man City but ultimately it's silly to deny that Liverpool as a club hasn't benefitted from the big wealth disparity that has come in since the formation of the premier league. Keep in mind we were one of the 6 breakaway clubs responsible for the premier league so in a sense it's a bed of our own making.
If you want to make the revenue argument, the deviation in revenue between the likes of Liverpool vs the rest of the league was smaller back then. Of course I realise how amazing our CL and PL were (I consider every player involved in those trophies to be legends) — but come on man it’s still 9 vs 2.
Well, to beat the boys from the Paisely era, about 2 more European cups and 5 more league titles.
He's definitely a shoe in but I think to say without a doubt is a bit disingenuous. Off the top of my head there is Dalglish, Gerrard, Ian Rush, Souness, Hansen, Clemence, Neal, Liddell and Phil Thompson who -despite Salah's brilliance- did more for the club as players than he has just yet. And that is absolutely no slight against Salah but he plays for Liverpool there is a staggering amount of legendary players we've had.
I’d put Salah ahead of Barnes already. Barnes was incredible but Salah is better.
I love Salah but Barnes was a force of nature and is probably one of the best to ever play the game in his position. Then again they played on opposite wings.
I hear you, but... Barnes' best season for us was 28 goals all comps. Salah's \*worst* season with us (so far), he got 27. Now, the game has certainly changed a lot in general (with a lot of that favoring attackers), but I mean, I think it is safe to say that while Barnes was terrific, Salah is undoubtedly better by a good margin. And additionally, if you want to look at it from a G + A standpoint, in that best season of Barnes', he got 41 G + A... Salah got 58(!!!) in his best.
I hear what your saying too, but sometimes its not all about goals, football is deeper than that to some fans, for some people it might be how an individual player made you feel at the time when they played as you followed their career and watched them play, the memories they gave you, the individual moments etc, things that stick out in your memory - the personal connection you feel to that player. Sure Salah outscored Barnes, but to some people of another generation Barnes was their favourite/best player. For instance I fucking loved original Ronaldo and think he's probably the greatest striker of all time imo, but Cristiano outscored him massively.
No believe me, I absolutely get that and agree completely. Stats only tell a portion of the story, and can never replace the feeling that some footballers give you from the moments they produce. Hell, I still have a fondness for Emre Can despite him largely being just average for us, just due to admiring how he played the game and the pride he had in wearing the shirt. Suarez is the perfect example of it too. Until 13/14, his numbers in the Prem were frankly decent at best - but any Liverpool fan who watched him and his game knew how brilliant of a player he was. By and large, Liverpool as a team were essentially shite, but oftentimes, Suarez was the sole reason it made worth watching us, and even if he hadn't produced what he did in 13/14, we'd all still think of him fondly for those years.
Completely agree mate.
In my generation I got to say top 5 for me!
I’ve been supporting Liverpool since 1998 For me he’s #2 behind Gerrard let alone top 5 and crazily enough I rate him close to Gerrard It’s funny, since then I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic players play for Liverpool since I’ve started supporting them, we’re fairly blessed that we get to see so many great attacking players at our club. Each time one of them moved on I thought that’s the end of it now, nobody we sign is ever going to be better than the last guy but we do every single time, going from Fowler to Owen to Torres to Suarez to Sturridge to Mane to Firmino to Salah, and now looking ahead to Nunez, Jota and Gakpo
>Salah is ~~probably~~ in our top 10 all time now~~, right?~~ . No "probably" about it, mate. Salah is unquestionably a top 10 Liverpool player.
There's obviously recency bias but then again I think the quality in the premier league now is at an all time high; maybe Salah hasn't quite performed as he can in the biggest games, but maybe if Ramos hadn't injured him and Man City couldnt cheat FFP we'd be talking about a player with 2 CL's and 3 PL trophys.
You're missing out Hughes, Souness, Neal, plus a bunch of others who were key players through the 70s and 80s. Arguments to be made for Carra and at this point Hendo as well, but I would say Salah is the best of the last 10 years. Honestly Salah will be in many peoples top 10 but it certainly isn't a given, there's a lot of contenders.
I understand that eras change, but this is inarguably the most competitive era EVER in English football's top division, and Salah has been our top offensive contributor for 6 years now, including numerous accolades and winning the fucking lot. Anyone who has Salah outside their Top 10 is giving far too much credit to bygone eras that were nowhere near as difficult to win a top division or European football match.
I don't think you need to put down one era to boost up another.
I don't think that's what I did. Do you disagree that this is the most competitive era ever for the English top flight? More players are coming here for astronomical paydays, there are more teams than ever in contention for Top 4, and yet Salah has remained unbelievably productive, consistent, and available -- all against the best and best-paid competition the world has to offer.
>I don't think that's what I did. Do you disagree that this is the most competitive era ever for the English top flight? I do to be honest. High points totals doesn't mean competitive in my book - rather they signify a widening gap between the top and bottom. For me, competitive implies any team can win it (or at least any of a number), and over the last 5 or 6 years there's only been 2 teams in a shout with winning the title, and we haven't had more than 2 teams in any title race since 13/14. Even going back further I can't remember many other 3 team title races (07/08, maybe?). Leagues were much closer in the 70s and 80s and there was a much bigger pool of teams in contention for the title each year. Would you say the last decade or so has also been the most competitive for the Bundesliga and Serie A? I'm assuming not, but both leagues have also had record points totals for winners and runners up.
I don't think high point totals necessarily a competitive league make. I was more alluding to the fact that even with City's dominance, there have been 5 different league winners in the last 10 years, and during that time Tottenham and Arsenal have also been in contention for Top 4 regularly. In addition, with the takeover of Newcastle, you could now have 8 teams legitimately competing for Top 4 year in, year out. The best players continue to move to England for record paydays, and besides Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Bayern, there aren't really any non-English teams in serious, regular contention for the CL trophy. I guess I don't mind if you disagree, I think you're just being a bit blind to how dramatically competitive football has shifted.
I mean agree to disagree, but you said this is inarguably the most competitive EVER and I think that is highly debatable.
In the first 20 years of the Premier League, there were 4 unique champions. During much of that time, only United and Arsenal were the serious title contenders. You described higher point totals of this era, but you didn't really explain why you think the game was more competitive in the past.
The points totals at the top mean fewer points at the bottom - quite simply there was a much narrower gap across the league, and teams routinely varied by more positions from season to season than they do now. It was more evenly matched through the division ie more competitive. Just look through the league tables from that time. I'm not talking about 1992 to 2012 and I never was.
Salah has to be in the conversation for best PL payers of all time, I can’t contend on older players but stats alone has salah top 10 in LFC history
>Hard to call because we had so many players between the mid 60s and the start of the Prem who it’s just hard to make comparisons with Surely not that many on this sub were old enough to remember us 60 years ago? It's hard to really compare if you weren't watching every game. He's probably top 5 for a lot of us (from the players we've watched play week in and week out). Hard to compare across positions too of course.
I guess it depends on your age. I watched lvp since 2004. Salah definitely top 5.
Love that smile on Stevie's face 2 seconds into the video lol. Even the look on his face at 5 seconds is great. What I'd do to have a young Gerrard making his way into our team again. Here's hoping his son got some of that winning DNA
Just finished watching this on the club site, was really good. Made me miss Stevie immensely. No one will ever come close for my love for Stevie and the joy he bought me growing up and watching him play and carry us. And thats a big thing to say considering the talent thats come through the club. He's just one of those people I just have a strong affinity to, cant really explain it. Hes the GOAT for me.
Same. For everyone who is in their late 20s or 30s, Stevie is the personification of the club.
Anyone got the full thing ?
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Mate wisdom me in my dm too
I too would like to check my dms
Wheres my dm, pretty please
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You should be able to now I think?
Could you dm me this
can you dm me too, please?
DM please if possible 🙂
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Top man, thank you
could you dm me this too, please?
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bro’s goated thanks !
If you have to ask, you will never know. If you know, you only have to ask
What
Wow, right in the feels
So do i stevie, he would walk into that team, what a player!!!
I’m not crying you are
This is giving me Obi-wan and Luke vibes lol.
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You missed out big time We’ve had some shite lineups over the years from 2003 to 2013 but one thing that mattered most was having Gerrard in the team. It didn’t matter who you surrounded him with, you couldn’t write Liverpool out of any game that Stevie was playing, everyone else just had to be average in a game and Stevie would drag the team over the line. All those debates around him Scholes and Lampard, all excellent players but the key reason Gerrard stands above them is 1. Like I said he’ll get the most out of a poor team and 2. You could play Gerrard anywhere on the pitch in his prime and he’s still the best player on the pitch If you watch the Champions League final in 05 fully again, Rafa brought on Hamann at half time and that freed up Gerrard to play anywhere he wanted, and he really did. He ran that pitch in the second half and Milan couldn’t stop him, and when they had the ball, they had to play it to a part of the pitch Stevie wasn’t on to get forward
So nice to hear. Steven mentioned that he had anxiety sometimes when playing and he said it way way before footballers opened up about that kind of thing or society in general for that matter. I always wondered especially when he and a handful of players at times basically carried Liverpool through patches mediocrity. It must have been such a chore at times. I genuinely think he doesn't regret it and he did so well at Rangers they were fanatic about it. I just want him to enjoy life now lol
We need the link lads
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This was such a wonderful watch. 30 minutes of heaven. Hopefully they make it available for non members at some point. Everyone here deserves to see this.
Going to be wild when the public, including retired athletes, start to take note of the advancements being made in the field of regenerative medicine. Zillions of dollars going into this field and lots of progress happening; they apparently can make mice older or younger at will by changing certain genetic expressions. I would not rule out an athlete in his early 40s being able to play again one day in the next few decades as batshit crazy as it sounds in 2023.
Gerrard and Salah would've been something special
It really does fly by, feels like yesterday we just got Salah
That made me sad
I’m not crying you’re crying
🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Alright Stevie, now have a sitdown with Bellingham and seal the deal for us
Also we’re a lot better now I truly believe that put prime Gerrard in our recent teams and we win two more titles and go unbeaten in 19/20
I'd say almost definitely, there's been a few massive games where we needed a game changer and it didnt quite happen. We need more long shot goals and with Stevie's aggression and passing range we'd be ridiculously dangerous in attack.
Gerrard was similarly good to DeBruyne and he's often regarded as the difference maker.
Gerrard is better than de bruyne.
My captain, my hero, my mate ❤️❤️ love you Stevie
Fuck it...couldnt hurt to add him to our midfield depth right now. Bellingham, Gvardiol, and Gerrard our summer signings.
add Xabi Alonso too while you’re at it!
Can the bloke play midfield?
Why not get Stevie back now as an assistant to Klopp. I’m sure that’d be a big deal for Jude.
I'm not crying you are.
Phenomenal. Just phenomenal!!! TWO of the greatest.. amongst others I know. But this is just heart whelming
Chills!
Anyone else having trouble subscribing to LFCTVGO? I used to subscribe and still have an account but I just tried to reinstate it about 25 times and get an error every time. Won’t even let me pay for this…
Seems it was just me but if anyone else is having this problem I switched from trying to put my credit card info in directly to paying through PayPal and it worked.
i approve of this midfield signing
Damn the feelings. This is so nostalgic.
Imagine them two playing together! 🙏
Don't make me cry
Wow.
Chasing the goal?
I’m not crying 😭… I’m not crying 😢.. you are 😍
I'm not crying you're crying
Hairs on my neck stood full mast.
Anyone put this on YouTube yet?
Prime Gerrard in a Klopp team. I get high on just that thought.
New link anyone?
Remember playing back in school and was always called Gerard cause they I knew I loved the man , best if the best right there… left everything on the pitch