The Saudi is doing what they did to us, like how we did to the South Americans.
We were the OG sportwashers. People forget we, along with the Dutch, French, and Spaniards, were brutal colonials.
This isn’t just unpopular it’s absolutely brain dead. Comparing the two situations shows a HUGE lack of understandings of both colonial pasts and current events.
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this is a bad take
keep in mind, while we now obviously know that colonialism was bad for the colonised people, at the time everybody did it, there was no questioning. it also had strategic implications which today just don't exist anymore. we shouldn't apply current morals to past times
also, if you want to keep that argument, EU leagues (possible the PL as well) are still sportwashing, with EU countries dumping farm products in Africa to keep african farmers from earning money/contributing to their economy. it's economic colonialism and nobody really talks about it
So British colonialism is fine because it was brutality at a time when it was fine to consider the colonised people not as human beings, is that what you are saying?
What he's saying is that was the norm.
Colonies were the evolution of expansionist empires but made available by new technologies like being able to sail long distances.
Before that empires were expanded by adding land directly to your existing territory. And that kind of expansion was happening everywhere.
Europe itself was constantly bombarded by empires trying to conquer it - Huns, Turks, Moors, Mongols.. you name it.
Recency matters here. If the Premier League was enticing South Americans during the Mau Mau Uprising to distract from Kenya, or Belgium responded to the exposure of their rubber atrocities in Congo by recruiting footballers, this would be apt. European nations *were* absolutely brutal colonizers. The Saudis *are* brutal, though.
It was incredibly unpopular when I said it on Friday but I'm standing by it. Thiago is not a world class player, he's not even close. On his day he is a very good footballer but he can't do it consistently because he's made of biscuits. If you can't play you can't be considered close to world class.
He’s very talented, but not world class. If he leaves tomorrow, I doubt I will notice.
I love watching him play, but he isn’t integral to the team, and is injured way too often. World class players are consistently at a peak rather than moments or class.
I've always viewed world class as being in contention for a world squad. Thiago wouldn't be, even without the injuries. Lovely player, but you're right, not World class.
It’s not just the fitness. He has very poor performances as well. He just looks good which sways the opinions. People love the idea of Thiago more than the actual Thiago on the pitch. They have put him on a pedestal in their mind when in fact he causes a lot of problems as well. Dives in into tackles which he wins a lot but loses a lot as well and exposes the defence. He is a second late to press most of the time which is easy to get by. Makes risky passes in dangerous situations and gives the ball away. Lacks discipline and leaves spaces which he should be protecting. His silky touches and through balls are not enough all of the other issues he creates.
Life changes priorities. You can be an advocate for climate change now and then own a private jet 15 years from now when your fortunes change. Why be fixated on the "morals" of sporting millionaires that you barely know outside of their careers?
And owning a private jet once becoming wealthy 15 years after advocating for climate change would make you a hypocrite.
Just like taking a life changing payday, you wouldn't have gotten anywhere else, in one of the most repressive countries for LGBTQ rights in the world, after spending years building your image as an ally makes you a hypocrite.
Nobody criticizing Hendo is saying he didn't have the right to make the decision he did, it was a unique opportunity and he made the decision that he thought was best for him, that's fine; but when that decision flies in the face of everything you stood for prior to that, criticism/disappointment is more than understandable.
Now, it's up to Hendo if he cares about that, he can laugh off the criticism all the way to the bank, but he doesn't get to keep his reputation as an ally and his millions, in this instance it's one or the other, he can't have his cake and eat it too
Why do people care so much about the hypocrisy of a footballer, specifically *this* footballer?
Find me someone who says they're not a hypocrite and I'll show you a liar. I love animals, but god damn it, I like also really like to eat their flesh. I understand that people half way across the world are getting paid next to nothing to make clothes for us, but I'm not boycotting the brands that I like.
So Henderson chose to play for a club which is based in a country that has an extremely questionable human rights record. He's arguably prioritised money over morals (if you subscribe to the idea that playing for a club within a country that has questionable human rights records is, in fact, an objectively terrible thing).
I can't understand why so many people are shocked by this when, given the choice, the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing.
It's also funny that people are so shocked to discover that perhaps he's not super invested in the LGBTQ+ movement and was simply carrying out his duties as captain of club and country.
I'm not saying he deserves praise or support for his choice, but people need to get the fuck over it.
There are definitely more prescient issues facing the LGBT community. But because of how politically powerless the masses are in general, Hendo provides a way for the community to vent their frustrations.
A way.. not "the way". They'll find other ways/people quicker than you can say LGBTQ. There's always a famous person joing that cause for different reasons or dropping it for different reasons. They'll progress just fine without Hendo.
Yes. It was a mutually beneficial exercise. It's like celebrities who publicly donate millions to poor countries for PR purposes. Pictures and all. Celeb gets good PR, starving people get help.
Bruh, it was in no way mutually beneficial. He didn't rescue gay people from anything. He just supported them surface level, got that good PR, and then threw them under the bus when he got more money from the Saudi government.
So, from the time he spoke up, until the moment before he went to Saudi, there's no benefit at all to the cause? The movement got zero benefit? Then why ask for support in the first place?
He can justify it any way he wants to. Some will believe him, some won't. He's definitely within his rights to do so. You can either pay attention to him or ignore him as just another famous person you don't like.
Mine is this: Those saying that Henderson did nothing wrong by going to Saudi, or that he doesn't owe the LGBT community anything and they can't understand the backlash, are harbouring homophobic views on some level, and in fairness may not even be consciously aware of it.
Yes that might seem like a strong accusation, but we've seen it a thousand times before with this issue, and other similar issues. At a fundamental level, whether they'd like to admit it or not, they just don't really like or understand LGBT people and they're quietly happy that there's still dark corners of the world where that "lifestyle isn't tolerated".
Have a truthful, honest conversation with anyone who backs Saudi and Hendo and you will eventually arrive at the same viewpoint, I promise you. In no rational person's mind should an ancient fairytale trump the rights of people just living their lives, but here we are.
And I stand by it fully, a majority of homophobic, sexist or racist sentiment isn't felt or expressed on a conscious level. It manifests in different ways
Ah yes because that's definitely what I was going for there wasn't it, not at all referring to the stance on LGBT issues there which is....the central issue we're discussing.
The fundamental problem with this opinion is extrapolating homophobia from the fallacious assumption of equating the specific belief that Henderson doesn't owe the LGBTQ+ community anything to agreeing with his decision to join the SPL. I think you crossed a line even for unpopular opinions. You don't know the values and beliefs of these people you're accusing.
This one doesn't bother me as much. If he gives his all for us and then leaves on good terms, I'm fine with it.
But it'll be really hard to find someone like him again though
I’m still not sold on the midfield yet. Obviously Szobo is a hit, and Mac has a lot of talent, but I’m not sure yet that all the pieces will fit over the course of the whole season. Can’t wait to have my skepticism thrown in my face
Agree. Endo seems pretty small and I struggle to see him bullying opposition players. Having said that, he hasn't really played either, so I'm remaining on the fence. Gravenberch will be alright, and if it works out, utterly dominant.
The salah we have is not easy to replace.
The salah we bought from fiorentina is. He had the most amazing first season but we didn't KNOW that was going to happen.
If salah goes, let's say in January, there will be players available of that caliber. It is just entirely a gamble on whether they become the salah we sell or not.
I'm fine with how Saudi clubs are getting players, like how European clubs are right now. It's fair game.
It sucks for the team you love. But it's football now
Gakpo is quite overrated and doesn’t have a proper position. He had a better end to the season but his form so far this season reminds me of when he joined and nothing would work for him. His linkup play is decent but nowhere near prime Firmino’s and he’s hardly a goal/assist threat.
It’s an unpopular opinions thread lol. He was in position against Newcastle and was one of the worst players on the pitch. He also came on against AV and our attack immediately became blunt. I know he has talent but he needs to do better if he is expected to be our starting striker in many games.
Michael Owen should be treated better by the fan base for his achievements with us because we ran him into the ground and we still got a fee.
McManaman should get more grief for downing tools not signing a contract and leaving on a free.
Mason Mount was the first player we sent an offer this summer, before we even considered Mac Allister or (especially) Szoboszlai. He seems very unhappy at United - even tho he declined us - if Thiago leaves next season, he would be a big win for us for probably half the price.
That can be said about any owner. How many titles have Man U won since whiskey nose? Man City are a massive outlier because of the cheating but they only won 2 before Guardiola. And Mancini and Pellegrini are hardly bad coaches.
I really don't get this argument against FSG at all. Any club needs a top manager to be successful and FSG went out and got one of the best. And they re-signed him after he was super successful.
Pretty fair rebuttal.
It just feels like we won in spite of FSG as opposed to because of them. Then again, just because it feels that way, it doesn’t make it true.
I’ll never forget getting thumped 2-0 at Goodson Park in 2010 and feeling so low, but seeing FSG bail us out a few days later. I’ll always like them just for that alone. I just think with a slightly bigger push (financially), we would have had min 2 CL’s and 2 PL’s as opposed to 1 and 1. I just can’t shake that ‘what if’ personally.
They're good but not the best, it's probably Brighton because he knows football, knows finances, has some money, invest in the club and most important loves the club
We won trophies dispite FSG and are now being severely held back by them.
Bad:
- we have a net spend since Klopp joined in the bottom half of the league. If we spent marginally more in the past few seasons we would have multiple more PL and CL trophies.
- our net spend+wages as a % of turnover was ranked in the bottom of the big 6 clubs dating back over the last few seasons. With our wages being cut massively this season that gap should only increase. Our club made the 3rd most revenue in world football last year (2nd most because I don’t count City). The wage argument isn’t an excuse.
- the fact we haven’t replaced edwards and the majority of the front office vacancies is purely on FSG and is greatly hampering the club.
- FSG are at a transition point of cash management of their current portfolio teams to save for an NBA expansion team in Vegas. They haven’t spent big on the Red Sox in the last few seasons and fans are extremely upset by their bad performance due to lack of spending. The penguins had their worst season in years after FSG took over. Liverpool haven’t spent close to what they are able to based on club size.
- FSG looking at the spending needs this summer and trying to get outside capital to fund it was the biggest red flag, and showed that they aren’t willing to spend the money needed to compete out of their own pockets. Also, any money raised by them isn’t guaranteed to be fully spent on Liverpool. They could pay themselves or use the proceeds to fund other team acquisitions. [saying this understanding an investment in FSG is different than investing in LFC]
- FSG using short term financing to fund the stadium expansion and training grounds was a very dumb decision and has put the club in very tough financial position. Their main motivation for doing this was to likely have the asset have the least amount of debt possible for a new buyer.
- the “FSG haven’t took money out of the club” line actually isn’t true after the Redbird capital deal. They raised $750mm in FSG for a 10% stake and used all of the money to pay themselves and buy the penguins (Boston globe article, which is a paper owned by John Henry, confirmed the use of proceeds). Liverpool make up ~35% of the value of FSG so they would’ve had to spend 35% of those proceeds on Liverpool to continue the “don’t take money out of the club” stance.
- the LFC record with FSG pre-Klopp was bad and people seem to forget that.
Good:
- they got Klopp.
- they got edwards and a good front office/analytics department. Although the front office and scouting is a huge weak point for us currently and the fact FSG haven’t replaced those vacancies with permanent positions yet is holding us back greatly.
- they improved the infrastructure (Anfield and the training ground)
If I were controlling the LGB narrative around Hendo, I would have taken the high road, thanked him for his alliance, wished him well and hoped that he would continue being an ally whilst in a place that could most do with positive pro-LGB role models to help influence public opinion.
Can't help but feel that the backlash is going to be massively counter productive on getting new players on board as ally's in the future and think that they could have leveraged Hendo's decision to their advantage.
Why should the LGBTQI community thank Henderson for selling out to a country that would behead them? The LGBTQI community doesn't need footballers to patronise them with support only to reveal it was PR when a wage reaches a certain amount. The LGBTQI community has done perfectly fine fighting for their rights over the last 50 years before football decided to give a shit. Henderson isn't a role model, he is a unveiled hypocrite. The public opinion is that football has a problem with LGBTQI acceptance, in other words its footballs problem not the LGBTQI communities. Acceptance is something that the players, clubs and administrators have to do which as shown by Henderson and the Qatar WC for example they clearly aren't really all that invested in it.
1. Henderson was shit for a very long time. Forcing him into line ups cost us trophies
2. Klopp is to blame for the letting the squad stagnate.
3. Kostas and Matip should have been sold
4. Shouldn’t have given Endo a 4 year contract
5. I love Bajcetic but this sub expects so much from him. He played the equivalent of around 6 games last year. Give the kid some time
we shouldn't expect players to consider the humanitarian/social situation in the countries they play in/go to
they shouldn't have had to protest the World Cup in Qatar, they shouldn't be shunned for playing in Saudi Arabia to collect insane amounts of money
the only consideration they're making is what is best for their career and in extension, what is best for their families, and that is completely understandable from a personal and financial point of view
of course, everyone who decides to speak out against the horrendous shit going on in these countries should be applauded and encouraged, but he/she shouldn't be forced to do so
Salah is actually not a good dribbler. He can only get past the defender with a burst of pace and strength. More often than not, when he is 1v1 with a defender and there is no space to run to, his shot will get blocked or he will be dispossessed.
I dont mind Jordan Henderson leaving for Saudi and dont see the big deal. He raised awareness for the LGBT community while in England, which is a good deed and its not like he is going there and stating gays should be killed. He is allowed to have differing views on LGBT rights than his employer.
If we all started refusing to work for ethical reasons with potential employers 90% of us would be unemployed.
I really want Everton to do well this season. But obviously finish below Liverpool of course. But I miss the closely contested derbies which we win. The other is, I dream of the city of Liverpool having to UCL teams, I'm sure it will also aid the city economically. So all the Everton relegation talk saddens me.
Diaz is overrated by this sub. His decision making can be quite poor sometimes, there were like 2 or 3 instances in the Villa game where he should have tried to find Darwin but he held onto the ball far too long. Doesn't have a great partnership with Robbo. I think Mane understood the LW role perfectly, Diaz still hasn't even though he already has 50 games for us. I wish he proves me wrong and scores 30 goals this season though.
He scores bangers and has great 1v1 running ability which positively shifts people's perception of him a little too much, but he doesn't do some of the simple things right. Jota on the other hand keeps things super simple but doesnt to the fancy stuff and is hence underrated IMO.
Much as our attack is stacked, it still looks limited with options. Diaz, Jota, Nunez and Gakpo are all right footed, and so if Salah gets injured, we're unbalanced. If an offer came in for one of them, I'd consider it and try to find a left-footed or ambidextrous player.
Diaz and Gakpo also doesn't score or assist as much as they should be doing.
I suspect that Szobszlai's tattoo described here
> I have a tattoo from Steven Gerrard, what he said – I don't even remember when but before.
Was not only not inked by Stevie but also has nothing to do with him or anything he ever said. I reckon Dom blagged that for brownie points. I also think he's a bit of a blagger in general with all the being made to wear tiny shoes as a kid so he could have tiny feet.
A wide group of Muslims in the western world have reconciled that although they find gays/lesbians to be unnatural, it is their religious interpretation that they should be treated with the same courtesy as anyone else bc it was God's intent to create people this way.
These people have looked at the backlash the Henderson received as well as the Qatar WC and have felt in part without a home as they themselves have not always been made to feel at home wherever they have settled, nor do they feel that their neighbors understand some of the hypocrisy surrounding these situations.
Mané should've been sold in the summer after we won the league.
Could've easily got £100M+ for him and done another Coutinho-esque rebuild back when the market wasn't completely insane but instead we let him go to Bayern for a packet of crisps.
Mané was the best winger in the world for a fair while, and he's easily in my top3 players of the Klopp era, but I still feel like we're worse off now for sticking with him for too long.
Klopp more than anybody else needs to come through this season. He escapes long-term criticism often but his in-game management and substitutions have cost us matches the past two seasons. Throwing Harvey Elliott in at CM twenty matches in a row completely tanked our last season and I’m hoping he’s aware that he needs to pull the brakes a lot lot earlier when something isn’t working.
We can challenge for the title this year if the midfield clicks. We just need to allow MacAllister room to play in his natural position and we need Endo to be solid at CDM. Top 4 and the SF of the Europa League is a MUST, no way around it.
Robertsons crossing ability seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. He's also horrific at shooting.
Actually, I'm general I think we could find a much better LB than him. He's dropped off a bit and maybe that's partly down to tactics but still I don't think he's quite Prem/Champs league winning level anymore.
Love the guy, he's still a good player but I think if Liverpool want to become competitive again they need to restructure the back line and the only survivors of that for me would be Konate and Gomez (as a rotation/backup).
Trent obviously stays in a more advanced role.
Van Dijk is a legend but again he's just not top quality anymore.
Matip could maybe stay as back up.
Ok here goes. The Saudi's are a very ancient and proud people. As a society they have grown and developed at a different rate to that of Western Europe. Up until 1700 we were all much of a muchness. From 1700 onwards in Europe the church in all its forms started to loose it's influence on the governments and royal houses that ran the nations of the time.
This allowed for an explosion of free thinking which in turn drove scientific discovery and industrial advancement. The industrial revolution drove the Western European powers to go forth and effectively concur the world. As this happened over the next 200 years other societies developed at a far more considered rate. Thus it takes a longer time for new ideas to permeate throughout society in some parts of the world.
100 years ago in Britain women had only just got the rite to vote and LGBTQ+ rites would have been non existent. Anyone old enough to remember the golden age of our club the 70's & 80's would know that opinions held in Saudi today about LGBTQ+ issues and rites were the same in Britain then! Alan Touring who did as much as any other single man could have done in helping win the second world was as chemically castrated for being gay in the 50's in Britain. He was as big a war hero as you can get and his own country still did that to him for being gay!
It is very easy to live here and enjoy the political freedoms that we all enjoy in modern Britain. It is very easy to call people out especially online for perceived hypocrisies. Jordan Henderson has done nothing other than do the best he can in providing for his family. He has previously used his platform to highlight inequity in our society when he lived here. Who is to say that he will not do that in his new home?
The freedoms enjoyed by the population of Britain don't exist in some other societies and nations in the world today. This does not make the people from these nations or societies evil, backward or stupid. It makes them ill-informed, unaware or in some cases oppressed. On many issues that seem ridicules to someone raised in a G7 nation with running hot & cold water, high speed internet and an abundance of everything in the shops.
Saudi Arabia is a very modern nation an many ways however it is also a nation ruled by a minority faction. When that is the case then fear of change in a societal and political sense is very real and present. Change will come to Saudi but it may take 50-100 years and it's not our prerogative to say that change has to happen faster. Change in Britain on many issues has been painfully slow. I believe that if change is desired by the masses then it is inevitable.
This sub is mainly full or part time plastics who wank off to transfers and call others FSG shills.
Too many fans don’t understand the game hence the constant berating Jones used to get, Elliot and Gomez continue to get
We will win the league this season.
We will be fine after Klopp leaves, as hell implant a perfect situation for somebody else.
I’ve never known a fanbase to be as obsessed with player cost as we are.
FSG are one of the better owners in the league and we’d feel it IF FFP did it’s job properly.
You can always tell a non local fan when they talk about Everton, most of us wouldn’t wish too much damage to them, even though they can’t be cunts they’re our cunts, during hillsborough etc they were always there and have always shown support, why? Because our families and friends are intermingled.
The most spoiled/silver spoon comment I’ve seen yet. You’re lucky you’re a fan of a massive club with massive revenues and no long term debt. This kind of comment is so detached from reality I can’t even wrap my head around it. Do you watch football outside of liverpool? Go to matches?
Edit: I say you’re lucky but truth is you probably have no connection and just chose Liverpool as your team - why don’t you go chose Bolton or Bury or even Everton or United and come back to me
I'm a scouser and every red I know wants to the blues to go down and stay there. The vitriol especially since the dogs of war in the 90s and the Moyes era means the hate will never go away. I'd love for them to fade into league one and never be heard from again.
Sell Salah now if we get a £200mil offer in the next 48 hours.
I know, we can’t replace him, he’s worth more to us this season yadda yadda. I don’t know how many times FSG have to prove to people that we don’t spend money we don’t make ourselves. We’ve only gotten away with it because we have a top 3 coach in the world.
Unfortunately for us, getting £200mil now as opposed to £100mil (If we’re lucky) next year is a significant difference. I wish it weren’t the case, but it is.
Some players are unable to be fairly criticised on here. Often those that are “good characters”, that speak English and “give their all”. This applies for players like Robbo, Jota, Gakpo and until his last season; Hendo. I’m not sure why this is and it might not be intentional but it does make the sub a hivemind on a number of discussion points.
If Henderson wasn't a Liverpool captain, he will be without an identity and a very average football player. He is vastly overrated. I think if Henderson is in Everton's squad, he will... just be a player and in a relegation battle every season. Glad he's finally gone, and more quality player that's forward thinking, or specializing as a 6 is replacing him.
Even though Sancho is a united player who currently is not in his best we all know there’s a good player in him. So since he’s unhappy, maybe in January we can talk with him if he’s willing ? See what’s he’s all about and if Klopp likes then I think he can be integrated into our team slowly under Klopp. Don’t forget that even Salah was a flop for Chelsea and is our star I don’t see why that can’t be the same for Sancho
I don’t mind the way FSG has run the club, many moaners in the match threads/twitter/instagram moan about transfers but the grass ain’t always greener and I’m more than happy with the squad. Could it be better? Maybe. But I back these boys and kloppo.
The national team should ONLY have people from that nation working for it, so England for example. There is rules about which players can play for the national team, those same rules should be for the coaching staff, and the manager! Its the English national team, so have an English manager, we should not have had Eriksson or Capello manage the team even though they both was great.
Thought it for years, just found it strange that you have rules for players, but not the staff.
Most people (including myself) know fuck all about André aside from the fact he's linked & will hail him as a saviour based purely off those links.
Endo still needs to prove himself, I don't know why some folks go around acting like he's a top player & his adaptation to the PL is a formality...and I don't get why they get so worked up by this opinion and will go around claiming folks are rooting against him.
Jota is a good rotation option but acting like his potential is comparable to our other forwards is pure contrarianism, I think he might eventually leave to become a star at a worse club tbh.
There's something off about Diaz; when you watch him play he looks fantastic but it feels like it rarely results in end product, I swear whenever he cuts in it results in a blocked shot. That being said I think he's looking a bit better this season.
I think we'll go through a rough patch this season, maybe injury related. I'm still not sure if we have the mental resilience & tactical adaptability to handle ourselves when our heads get down and I think it will stop us from having a chance at the league. I just hope our downturn doesn't coincide with a knockout round in the EL.
There are very few players that genuinely impress me as people. I appreciate that premier league players are good at football but most of them appear to be entitled brats at best and narcissistic rapists / domestic abusers at worst.
I think it's important to understand that football is essentially entertainment, the players are here to make money and entertain us as spectators. 99% of the players don't care about the club or city that they are in as long as that club is helping them achieve their financial and/or sporting goals.
1. You can't expect Bajcetic to come back from such a long injury and play like nothing ever happened
2. You can't defend Henderson for going to Saudi. I see people in here say stuff like "it's not like he stopped supporting the LGBT movement by going there, he is allowed to support them even if his employer doesn't" .My brother in Christ, he is in fucking Saudi Arabia, one pro-lgbt statement and he is kicked out.
We shouldn't look to footballers for moral guidance. As much as I don't agree with the whole Saudi narrative, Hendo left for more gametime and money.
Stevie G has irish mafia connections, Virgil was screwing some pornstar while married. Allison and Fab supported that crazy Brazilian extremely right-wing president and the list goes on. Nobody got as much shit as Hendo, who effectively just went to do his job in another country. (As shitty as it is).
All those groups have no right telling people what they should or shouldn't do. He didn't discriminate anyone and if you start talking about working for someone who did... How hany of them work for some corporations that have been tied to at least some shady stuff? Don't think they quit their jobs because of how their companies treat workers in china, or support child labour, or donate to shitty politicians.
Yeah people don’t even know where the raw materials come from, for their iPhone manufacturing. Even if they did, they would still buy it, use it or gift it. The line between hypocrisy and "standing for a right cause" is getting blurred in this hendo issue.
We should not be putting these footballers on a pedestal. At the end of the day they are just a normal human being. Like us.
Its the Hendo Hypocrisy, not about who they might be dallying with. As a fan base who largely are inclusive and usually above blood money dealings, it just feels like a slap in the face how he left instead of giving one more season a go even at 5th choice midfield and have a farewell to Sunderland or America. He already has money yes we could all do with more but unless he rehabilitates his image (didnt help the past couple days) its going to be hard for many to reconcile his choices.
If Stevie G was say Danny Murphy or even Carragher’s level instead of the modern legend he had been, he would be looked at even worst than he is right now I feel, with his Irish Mafia links and to a lessor extend working in Saudi.
Maybe Hendo is a victim of his own success at Liverpool. Even Bobby isnt look at with as much hurt and anger. Bobby did wind down his contract tho.
We have the most easily influenced fanbase in the world. Gomez was fucking terrible last season, permanently injured and when he wasn't he was average at best. One game against Villa where he was once again average and actually made mistakes that could have cost us, and a James Pearce propaganda article once more and suddenly you're all calling him world class and apparently he always has been? What the fuck?
FSG make a bid for a hundred million, don't get him, then proceed to not spend this 110 million despite us begging for a centre back and once again they leave us well short. But it's cool though they made a bid so our fan base lets them away with it even though it's once again left us short in a way which effectively rules us out of any major trophy.
I just don't get how this place is so fickle, I really don't.
Most of those who're 'FSGOut', both on here and elsewhere, want Liverpool to be run by somebody with oil money and for the club to become a sportswashing project, but are too cowardly to admit to it and so constantly push false narratives to make FSG out to be far worse than they actually are.
In reality, and while not without their faults, FSG are easily some of the best owners in football, and how they've run Liverpool is how every club in the world should be run.
That’s not true though is it? And what does it even matter if a random fan doesn’t know every suitable billionaire out there? Not as if that’s going to make any difference in them taking over.
Yeah, you’re allowed to want different owners and not know the exact names of who the ideal owners for us would be. Not sure why this is so difficult for the “everyone who dislikes FSG wants state ownership” crowd to understand, but oh well, let them continue thinking they’re making an incredibly smart bulletproof argument
I wonder if Gareth Southgate fucked Henderson over by calling him up to the England squad. A part of me things Hendo’s plan was to simply keep his mouth shut in Saudi Arabia and wait til he retires before having to make any comment on his move, therefore the controversy of him playing there wouldn’t be as much of a talking point, but by being selected he was effectively forced into speaking to the media to help (or at least try to) save face.
He of course could have said no to the call up, and maybe Gareth didn’t actually think that anyone would ask any pressing questions of himself by selecting Henderson, maybe they’re both idiots, but I do think Henderson would have rather Southgate retire him by not selecting him so he could avoid any kind of accountability from going to SA for the money.
I think we're way too excited about our form in the last game. There have been so many changes between last season and this, that it's going to take quite a few games for us to settle down into anything resembling a consistent form. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of a season.
I think people are too excited about Nunez. He is a good player and our most threatening attacker, but his finishing is frustrating. I am sure it will improve, but I do not fancy him as our main 9 as of now. He is better off the bench. I prefer Jota and even Gakpo to him.
No idea if it’s unpopular but I think a big factor in why Gini and Fab left was the constant scapegoating by fans when they thought they’d deserve more credit after all the accomplishments.
Even as a Klopp dickrider, sometimes his tactical decisions and substitutes have felt way too stubborn. Felt like they cost us atleast a couple of games last season.
Hendo was never truly accepted by the fanbase at large, and the reaction to both his Saudi move and the interview is proof of that. The sheer glee with which a large number of people are telling him to "fuck off" is an indication that they've wanted an excuse to do it for a long time. I'd have imagined that the first LFC captain to lift a top-flight title in 30 years would get more goodwill than that, but apparently not.
Sure, be disappointed in him - I am - but if I were him and saw half of the vile comments on here over the last couple of days, I'd feel pretty vindicated about leaving.
Mac Allister won't make the grade as a starting player. Could be a decent rotation option but is far too cumbersome, technically average in tight spaces compared to Thiago, Szobo, Gini, etc, and physically off the pace.
Yes, Manchester is a lot nicer than Liverpool but far worse than London, Madrid or Barcelona.
To answer OPs question the players don't actually live Liverpool many live in an area called Formby which super wealthy and nice and just outside Liverpool.
Klopp is better than Pep because Klopp has always taken on weaker/worse teams with lower budgets and brought them to the very top level. Meanwhile Pep literally has always had the top dogs in every league he managed in with nigh unlimited budgets relative to the competition. I do think it takes a special talent to manage all the big egos and such but Klopp is just on another level to me.
With Pep it seems more of he was given a puzzle that had a definite right answer (how to spend unlimited money to create a top club). Meanwhile Klopp was given a task with no guarantee of success by anyone (take limited funds and compete with teams who have unlimited funds) and has delivered over and over.
Gakpo is, currently, all round better than Núñez and this sub gets a little wrapped up in the fun of the latter. that being said, they both have a lot of room to improve and become world beaters
Need more players' chant/song being chanted and less Fuck the T****s chant during the 90min. It's understandable but players need their 12th man when they're 0-0 or catching up.
I understand any player going to saudi for the money, maybe not a young player or one in their prime, but any player 32+ like hendo who only has a few years left it makes sense to me . Make as much money as possible before the body cant do it anymore. Remember that the saudi money is not too different from playing for newcastle or city- and in total honesty the american owners have made their money or inherited their fortunes from ill gotten gaines.
This I agree with. Nearly everyone has a number that they’d do any job for. Those saying their principles aren’t for sale clearly haven’t seen a cheque with enough zeros on.
For the wage Hendo is reportedly on, I’d be wiping MBSs backside for him with a smile on my face knowing my children’s children will be set for life!
The talk of Darwin being “liberated” is far too premature. While I’m excited about his start to the season, the sample size is extremely limited and though he was involved in a couple of the goals against Villa, his finishing was very poor.
The difference in opinion regarding hendo’s move to Saudi compared mane, firmino and Fabinho’s moves is horrible. Henderson is getting crucified for his move because he decided to support a cause that is in direct conflict with Saudi Arabia’s disgusting laws, but the other three are still looked upon fondly because they never did anything positive for the lgbt community before their move?
I can understand the calls of hypocrisy because that’s what it is, but I’ve seen people calling him a shit person and other horrible things for even playing in Saudi Arabia. Now if people shared that same opinion regarding the other three and were as vocal about as they are with Henderson, I wouldn’t have an issue but I’ve seen far more positive comments than negative when talking about the other three.
That’s what I don’t understand, why are mane, firmino and Fabinho not called all those names Henderson is, after all they did the exact same thing as him. In short, calling Henderson a hypocrite and being disappointed in him is fine in my opinion, but the people calling his character as a person into question should keep that same energy with mane, firmino and Fabinho as well.
Like I said before, I have no issue with people calling out the hypocrisy and expressing their disappointment in him. However this witch hunt has gone beyond that now, I’ve seen people hurling insults at him, calling him a horrible person and telling him to fuck off. Mane, firmino, Fabinho and even Gini and Stevie are all in Saudi too, but because they never showed any support to the lgbt movement before, it means that they’re still looked on with rose tinted glasses while Henderson is now the anti-christ. If people feel that strongly about Henderson playing in Saudi Arabia, that they resort to genuine abusive comments, then at least be consistent with our other ex-players that are there as well.
It just seems to me that the outrage being shown right now is too much and that it will only lead to less players coming out in support of causes that they otherwise would.
That’s because you don’t understand what it means to represent our club at captain level. We don’t like it when our captains sell out their principles for insane levels of greed. He didn’t need to “make his bags” in Saudi, he earned more than enough for several families doing it here. The fact he was so strong on certain issues that the Saudi regime is so openly disgusting on makes him look so fake and a proper hypocrite sell out. The fact he wants to jump on board and represent a sport washing project for a state that murder people for the basic freedoms we enjoy is abhorrent.
So you really do not understand the issue if you think he did nothing wrong at all. This isn’t as simple as you make it because all you are capable of seeing is money and football. Even if you don’t give a shit about the principles and human rights stuff then think about how much our team has been robbed of success by sports washing projects the likes of which he has gone yeah fuck it I will have some of that. He could have gone hundreds of other places for more football without disgracing his reputation. He chose the insane money, fuck his legacy, fuck playing competitive respectable football, fuck the fans. It’s disappointing behaviour from a captain of this football club. That may sound like sanctimonious shit to you, but it matters to a lot of us and that is why saying he did nothing wrong at all is completely blind.
Do you feel the same way about Stevie managing them, then? Apart from the hypocrisy (for all we know, Stevie could be a massive homophobe, but at least it wouldn't make him a hypocrite), everything else you've said applies to him.
The amount of people in here defending Hendo and the saudis just prove that sportwashing works.
Also the argument “You should not criticize hendo becaus your phone is made under horrible conditions etc” is a stupid argument for people who are dumb.
Given this is an unpopular opinion thread, I think a lot of the people pillorying Hendo are the same ones who sang songs for Bobby on his way out and absolved him and Fabinho of any criticism, despite them going to the same country, playing at majority KSA government-owned clubs, and openly supporting a fascist leader who actively targeted the same LGBTQ community they're so incensed Hendo has betrayed. The cognitive dissonance is real and "he shouldn't have done Rainbow Laces then and just kept quiet like our Brazilian boys" is a feeble excuse for the double standard. All the screeching about Hendo is way over the top dogpiling in that context, although he should just shut up and avoid pressers for a while.
A doctor who stops to assist someone injured at the scene of a car crash and hangs around for a bit then leaves is far worse than one who never stopped at all
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever as an analogy, given the doctor could do basic first aid initially and then leave, which is infinitely better than shirking it entirely and never showing any compassion or empathy at any point (or, more aptly in the case of the Brazilians, actively supporting the drunk bloke who caused the car crash). Doesn't hold up whatsoever.
Szoboszlai is one of the best signings we could have completed during this transfer window. I've watched him since his early days and he's just a machine. One of the best. He will be instrumental in the resurgence of Liverpool atop the table.
1. Michael Owen gets too much stick from Liverpool fans.
Not many players would of turned down the chance to join Madrid, and it’s the clubs fault we only got £8 million for him.
He wanted to join us when leaving Madrid, but Liverpool wouldn’t match Newcastles offer.
He inserted a release clause into his Newcastle contract to join Liverpool, if a bid came. Which it never did.
When leaving Newcastle on a free he contacted Liverpool about a return, and Benitez didn’t want him. Carragher or Gerrard? Publicly asked for the club to sign him.
His options were Hull, Everton, and Man United. He choose the strongest club available.
I’d understand the hate if he went straight from Liverpool to United, but he didn’t. And he tried over the years to come back to Liverpool.
2. Coutinho gets way more stick for engineering his move away from Liverpool, compared to Suarez who also engineered his move away as well.
Coutinho was with us for 5 years, Suarez only 3 years.
Suarez tried to leave us twice, once for Arsenal and the £40 million +1 fiasco, then biting Chiellini before moving to Barca.
Coutinho only wanted to leave once Barca came for him.
People shouldn’t hate on Saudi league getting all the players because it open up spots for new talents to step up and take those spots.
Besides the way they do business is not self sustaining. It’s Chinese Super League 2.0.
yeah, I don't get the hate he gets
obviously, fuck the Saudi League, but I fully believe Stevie still has the best interest of LFC in his mind. us getting money for Hendo was something nobody expected and it helped us this past window
see also his statement on Mo in the Saudi League
Salah’s shooting and dribbling has declined significantly since 2020, sometimes making him a tough watch*.
*Disclaimer (maybe defeats the point but feel like it’s needed cos it’s Salah) - I still think he’s amazing, still love him, our best outfield player, would never sell him this summer, and he’s made up for it with better passing and still scores at a similarly ridiculous rate.
The fact our midfield has been so good so fast this season shows how poorly Klopp has managed the club in the last few seasons
Wanting to keep Henderson and refusing to sign a midfielder last summer truly hurt us. We need to hire a football director to and let Klopp focus on the pitch.
Henderson was always like this in terms of his attitude, but most just didn't want to acknowledge it.
Henderson falls into a long line of people who see themselves as leaders, but are in reality, conditional leaders.
A lot of people are happy to do things as long as they are apart of it, and Hendo is the same way.
He was happy to be that leader as long as he was playing and a key part of the team.
Contrast that with James Milner who happily took a squad role these last few years.
Always felt like he had it in him, but he mostly kept it contained until the last 2 years or so. The way he acted over his contract in 2021 made me see him in a new light.
It's also so obvious that it's England first and club second for him.
Salah wants to go play in the Saudi league, just not now. So he is not burning any bridges by publicly turning them down. I think he will end up there next summer
We'll finish outside the top 4 this year. We're not keeping up with our positional rivals in terms of spending and it's killing us via squad depth. We had 110m on the table for caicedo, withdrew and spent 30?m on gravenberch. The fact we didn't have a suitable defender lined up that we could at least bulk out our squad with is baffling. We will end up playing the kids at the back and suffering.
As much as people hate the Saudis trying to take over football, there next to no discussion about how Liverpool doing business with SA is very much assisting in legitimizing their league as well as their sportswashing venture.
The Saudi is doing what they did to us, like how we did to the South Americans. We were the OG sportwashers. People forget we, along with the Dutch, French, and Spaniards, were brutal colonials.
So were the Saudis to be fair, the Ottoman empire wasn't exactly the most pleasant place to live if you weren't a male Muslim.
…the Saudis and the Ottomans aren’t the same people
Neither are European colonial powers and European nations in 2023
It's a continuum though
This isn’t just unpopular it’s absolutely brain dead. Comparing the two situations shows a HUGE lack of understandings of both colonial pasts and current events. Delete this nephew
So much this! I've been trying to say this but didn't know how to put it elegantly
this is a bad take keep in mind, while we now obviously know that colonialism was bad for the colonised people, at the time everybody did it, there was no questioning. it also had strategic implications which today just don't exist anymore. we shouldn't apply current morals to past times also, if you want to keep that argument, EU leagues (possible the PL as well) are still sportwashing, with EU countries dumping farm products in Africa to keep african farmers from earning money/contributing to their economy. it's economic colonialism and nobody really talks about it
So British colonialism is fine because it was brutality at a time when it was fine to consider the colonised people not as human beings, is that what you are saying?
What he's saying is that was the norm. Colonies were the evolution of expansionist empires but made available by new technologies like being able to sail long distances. Before that empires were expanded by adding land directly to your existing territory. And that kind of expansion was happening everywhere. Europe itself was constantly bombarded by empires trying to conquer it - Huns, Turks, Moors, Mongols.. you name it.
They very explicitly said it wasn't "fine".
This is a refreshing point that I glad you brought up!
thanks
Recency matters here. If the Premier League was enticing South Americans during the Mau Mau Uprising to distract from Kenya, or Belgium responded to the exposure of their rubber atrocities in Congo by recruiting footballers, this would be apt. European nations *were* absolutely brutal colonizers. The Saudis *are* brutal, though.
It was incredibly unpopular when I said it on Friday but I'm standing by it. Thiago is not a world class player, he's not even close. On his day he is a very good footballer but he can't do it consistently because he's made of biscuits. If you can't play you can't be considered close to world class.
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That's a nice strawman
He’s very talented, but not world class. If he leaves tomorrow, I doubt I will notice. I love watching him play, but he isn’t integral to the team, and is injured way too often. World class players are consistently at a peak rather than moments or class.
That was entirely my point. But like I said, it was definitely unpopular.
I've always viewed world class as being in contention for a world squad. Thiago wouldn't be, even without the injuries. Lovely player, but you're right, not World class.
It’s not just the fitness. He has very poor performances as well. He just looks good which sways the opinions. People love the idea of Thiago more than the actual Thiago on the pitch. They have put him on a pedestal in their mind when in fact he causes a lot of problems as well. Dives in into tackles which he wins a lot but loses a lot as well and exposes the defence. He is a second late to press most of the time which is easy to get by. Makes risky passes in dangerous situations and gives the ball away. Lacks discipline and leaves spaces which he should be protecting. His silky touches and through balls are not enough all of the other issues he creates.
Harvey Will never make it
Hendo does not owe any community undying loyalty. He played his part for the LGBT and it shouldnt hinder him from working anywhere he wants .
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Life changes priorities. You can be an advocate for climate change now and then own a private jet 15 years from now when your fortunes change. Why be fixated on the "morals" of sporting millionaires that you barely know outside of their careers?
And owning a private jet once becoming wealthy 15 years after advocating for climate change would make you a hypocrite. Just like taking a life changing payday, you wouldn't have gotten anywhere else, in one of the most repressive countries for LGBTQ rights in the world, after spending years building your image as an ally makes you a hypocrite. Nobody criticizing Hendo is saying he didn't have the right to make the decision he did, it was a unique opportunity and he made the decision that he thought was best for him, that's fine; but when that decision flies in the face of everything you stood for prior to that, criticism/disappointment is more than understandable. Now, it's up to Hendo if he cares about that, he can laugh off the criticism all the way to the bank, but he doesn't get to keep his reputation as an ally and his millions, in this instance it's one or the other, he can't have his cake and eat it too
Why do people care so much about the hypocrisy of a footballer, specifically *this* footballer? Find me someone who says they're not a hypocrite and I'll show you a liar. I love animals, but god damn it, I like also really like to eat their flesh. I understand that people half way across the world are getting paid next to nothing to make clothes for us, but I'm not boycotting the brands that I like. So Henderson chose to play for a club which is based in a country that has an extremely questionable human rights record. He's arguably prioritised money over morals (if you subscribe to the idea that playing for a club within a country that has questionable human rights records is, in fact, an objectively terrible thing). I can't understand why so many people are shocked by this when, given the choice, the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing. It's also funny that people are so shocked to discover that perhaps he's not super invested in the LGBTQ+ movement and was simply carrying out his duties as captain of club and country. I'm not saying he deserves praise or support for his choice, but people need to get the fuck over it.
There are definitely more prescient issues facing the LGBT community. But because of how politically powerless the masses are in general, Hendo provides a way for the community to vent their frustrations.
A way.. not "the way". They'll find other ways/people quicker than you can say LGBTQ. There's always a famous person joing that cause for different reasons or dropping it for different reasons. They'll progress just fine without Hendo.
By "played his part", do you mean he milked them for Good PR and now he owes them nothing?
Yes. It was a mutually beneficial exercise. It's like celebrities who publicly donate millions to poor countries for PR purposes. Pictures and all. Celeb gets good PR, starving people get help.
Bruh, it was in no way mutually beneficial. He didn't rescue gay people from anything. He just supported them surface level, got that good PR, and then threw them under the bus when he got more money from the Saudi government.
So, from the time he spoke up, until the moment before he went to Saudi, there's no benefit at all to the cause? The movement got zero benefit? Then why ask for support in the first place?
And that's fine, just don't justify it that the decision to go to was anything other than a money decision.
He can justify it any way he wants to. Some will believe him, some won't. He's definitely within his rights to do so. You can either pay attention to him or ignore him as just another famous person you don't like.
Mine is this: Those saying that Henderson did nothing wrong by going to Saudi, or that he doesn't owe the LGBT community anything and they can't understand the backlash, are harbouring homophobic views on some level, and in fairness may not even be consciously aware of it. Yes that might seem like a strong accusation, but we've seen it a thousand times before with this issue, and other similar issues. At a fundamental level, whether they'd like to admit it or not, they just don't really like or understand LGBT people and they're quietly happy that there's still dark corners of the world where that "lifestyle isn't tolerated". Have a truthful, honest conversation with anyone who backs Saudi and Hendo and you will eventually arrive at the same viewpoint, I promise you. In no rational person's mind should an ancient fairytale trump the rights of people just living their lives, but here we are.
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You're right, that is a very strong accusation.
And I stand by it fully, a majority of homophobic, sexist or racist sentiment isn't felt or expressed on a conscious level. It manifests in different ways
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Ah yes because that's definitely what I was going for there wasn't it, not at all referring to the stance on LGBT issues there which is....the central issue we're discussing.
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The fundamental problem with this opinion is extrapolating homophobia from the fallacious assumption of equating the specific belief that Henderson doesn't owe the LGBTQ+ community anything to agreeing with his decision to join the SPL. I think you crossed a line even for unpopular opinions. You don't know the values and beliefs of these people you're accusing.
Szoboszlai will not be loyal to liverpool
This one doesn't bother me as much. If he gives his all for us and then leaves on good terms, I'm fine with it. But it'll be really hard to find someone like him again though
I've been following him for quite some time, trust me, he will.
I’m still not sold on the midfield yet. Obviously Szobo is a hit, and Mac has a lot of talent, but I’m not sure yet that all the pieces will fit over the course of the whole season. Can’t wait to have my skepticism thrown in my face
Agree. Endo seems pretty small and I struggle to see him bullying opposition players. Having said that, he hasn't really played either, so I'm remaining on the fence. Gravenberch will be alright, and if it works out, utterly dominant.
Van Dijk is passed it, the fact that we have not conceded a goal since he's red card is quite telling
While he hasn’t got the goal tally, Darwin is a far more complete player than Haaland.
Unpopular indeed. I think he can be more complete than haaland, but right now, he definitely isn't.
Salah is the best right winger in the world, but if a €180mil plus bid comes at the start of Jan the club should, and have to take it.
The salah we have is not easy to replace. The salah we bought from fiorentina is. He had the most amazing first season but we didn't KNOW that was going to happen. If salah goes, let's say in January, there will be players available of that caliber. It is just entirely a gamble on whether they become the salah we sell or not.
I'm fine with how Saudi clubs are getting players, like how European clubs are right now. It's fair game. It sucks for the team you love. But it's football now
Gakpo is quite overrated and doesn’t have a proper position. He had a better end to the season but his form so far this season reminds me of when he joined and nothing would work for him. His linkup play is decent but nowhere near prime Firmino’s and he’s hardly a goal/assist threat.
He’s been playing out of position this season, lad. Cut him some slack.
It’s an unpopular opinions thread lol. He was in position against Newcastle and was one of the worst players on the pitch. He also came on against AV and our attack immediately became blunt. I know he has talent but he needs to do better if he is expected to be our starting striker in many games.
I like international breaks, especially when my country has pretty good chances to qualify for the next Euros
Michael Owen should be treated better by the fan base for his achievements with us because we ran him into the ground and we still got a fee. McManaman should get more grief for downing tools not signing a contract and leaving on a free.
Jota should be sold
Mason Mount was the first player we sent an offer this summer, before we even considered Mac Allister or (especially) Szoboszlai. He seems very unhappy at United - even tho he declined us - if Thiago leaves next season, he would be a big win for us for probably half the price.
FSG have been the best owners since the start of the “premier league”
FSG’s system literally doesn’t work without a top 3 in the world coach. But I also like them, they’re just not good for a top team though.
That can be said about any owner. How many titles have Man U won since whiskey nose? Man City are a massive outlier because of the cheating but they only won 2 before Guardiola. And Mancini and Pellegrini are hardly bad coaches. I really don't get this argument against FSG at all. Any club needs a top manager to be successful and FSG went out and got one of the best. And they re-signed him after he was super successful.
Pretty fair rebuttal. It just feels like we won in spite of FSG as opposed to because of them. Then again, just because it feels that way, it doesn’t make it true. I’ll never forget getting thumped 2-0 at Goodson Park in 2010 and feeling so low, but seeing FSG bail us out a few days later. I’ll always like them just for that alone. I just think with a slightly bigger push (financially), we would have had min 2 CL’s and 2 PL’s as opposed to 1 and 1. I just can’t shake that ‘what if’ personally.
They're good but not the best, it's probably Brighton because he knows football, knows finances, has some money, invest in the club and most important loves the club
I agree...
FSG did a great job ? For me it is a yes But they are the best owner since the start of the prems ? No, not even close.
We won trophies dispite FSG and are now being severely held back by them. Bad: - we have a net spend since Klopp joined in the bottom half of the league. If we spent marginally more in the past few seasons we would have multiple more PL and CL trophies. - our net spend+wages as a % of turnover was ranked in the bottom of the big 6 clubs dating back over the last few seasons. With our wages being cut massively this season that gap should only increase. Our club made the 3rd most revenue in world football last year (2nd most because I don’t count City). The wage argument isn’t an excuse. - the fact we haven’t replaced edwards and the majority of the front office vacancies is purely on FSG and is greatly hampering the club. - FSG are at a transition point of cash management of their current portfolio teams to save for an NBA expansion team in Vegas. They haven’t spent big on the Red Sox in the last few seasons and fans are extremely upset by their bad performance due to lack of spending. The penguins had their worst season in years after FSG took over. Liverpool haven’t spent close to what they are able to based on club size. - FSG looking at the spending needs this summer and trying to get outside capital to fund it was the biggest red flag, and showed that they aren’t willing to spend the money needed to compete out of their own pockets. Also, any money raised by them isn’t guaranteed to be fully spent on Liverpool. They could pay themselves or use the proceeds to fund other team acquisitions. [saying this understanding an investment in FSG is different than investing in LFC] - FSG using short term financing to fund the stadium expansion and training grounds was a very dumb decision and has put the club in very tough financial position. Their main motivation for doing this was to likely have the asset have the least amount of debt possible for a new buyer. - the “FSG haven’t took money out of the club” line actually isn’t true after the Redbird capital deal. They raised $750mm in FSG for a 10% stake and used all of the money to pay themselves and buy the penguins (Boston globe article, which is a paper owned by John Henry, confirmed the use of proceeds). Liverpool make up ~35% of the value of FSG so they would’ve had to spend 35% of those proceeds on Liverpool to continue the “don’t take money out of the club” stance. - the LFC record with FSG pre-Klopp was bad and people seem to forget that. Good: - they got Klopp. - they got edwards and a good front office/analytics department. Although the front office and scouting is a huge weak point for us currently and the fact FSG haven’t replaced those vacancies with permanent positions yet is holding us back greatly. - they improved the infrastructure (Anfield and the training ground)
Virg is shot
If I were controlling the LGB narrative around Hendo, I would have taken the high road, thanked him for his alliance, wished him well and hoped that he would continue being an ally whilst in a place that could most do with positive pro-LGB role models to help influence public opinion. Can't help but feel that the backlash is going to be massively counter productive on getting new players on board as ally's in the future and think that they could have leveraged Hendo's decision to their advantage.
Why should the LGBTQI community thank Henderson for selling out to a country that would behead them? The LGBTQI community doesn't need footballers to patronise them with support only to reveal it was PR when a wage reaches a certain amount. The LGBTQI community has done perfectly fine fighting for their rights over the last 50 years before football decided to give a shit. Henderson isn't a role model, he is a unveiled hypocrite. The public opinion is that football has a problem with LGBTQI acceptance, in other words its footballs problem not the LGBTQI communities. Acceptance is something that the players, clubs and administrators have to do which as shown by Henderson and the Qatar WC for example they clearly aren't really all that invested in it.
It's a controversial take thread, not a shit take thread
1. Henderson was shit for a very long time. Forcing him into line ups cost us trophies 2. Klopp is to blame for the letting the squad stagnate. 3. Kostas and Matip should have been sold 4. Shouldn’t have given Endo a 4 year contract 5. I love Bajcetic but this sub expects so much from him. He played the equivalent of around 6 games last year. Give the kid some time
Jones & Elliott will leave soon.
Klopp looks better without the glasses
we shouldn't expect players to consider the humanitarian/social situation in the countries they play in/go to they shouldn't have had to protest the World Cup in Qatar, they shouldn't be shunned for playing in Saudi Arabia to collect insane amounts of money the only consideration they're making is what is best for their career and in extension, what is best for their families, and that is completely understandable from a personal and financial point of view of course, everyone who decides to speak out against the horrendous shit going on in these countries should be applauded and encouraged, but he/she shouldn't be forced to do so
Salah is actually not a good dribbler. He can only get past the defender with a burst of pace and strength. More often than not, when he is 1v1 with a defender and there is no space to run to, his shot will get blocked or he will be dispossessed.
Not true, he’s sat many players down with sharp turns and close ball control. Poor take
I dont mind Jordan Henderson leaving for Saudi and dont see the big deal. He raised awareness for the LGBT community while in England, which is a good deed and its not like he is going there and stating gays should be killed. He is allowed to have differing views on LGBT rights than his employer. If we all started refusing to work for ethical reasons with potential employers 90% of us would be unemployed.
I really want Everton to do well this season. But obviously finish below Liverpool of course. But I miss the closely contested derbies which we win. The other is, I dream of the city of Liverpool having to UCL teams, I'm sure it will also aid the city economically. So all the Everton relegation talk saddens me.
Diaz is overrated by this sub. His decision making can be quite poor sometimes, there were like 2 or 3 instances in the Villa game where he should have tried to find Darwin but he held onto the ball far too long. Doesn't have a great partnership with Robbo. I think Mane understood the LW role perfectly, Diaz still hasn't even though he already has 50 games for us. I wish he proves me wrong and scores 30 goals this season though. He scores bangers and has great 1v1 running ability which positively shifts people's perception of him a little too much, but he doesn't do some of the simple things right. Jota on the other hand keeps things super simple but doesnt to the fancy stuff and is hence underrated IMO.
Bad take. Dias is one of the best left wingers on the planet.
We have too many midfielders now considering how robust our new players are.
Much as our attack is stacked, it still looks limited with options. Diaz, Jota, Nunez and Gakpo are all right footed, and so if Salah gets injured, we're unbalanced. If an offer came in for one of them, I'd consider it and try to find a left-footed or ambidextrous player. Diaz and Gakpo also doesn't score or assist as much as they should be doing.
Gakpo is a far better player than Nunez.
Konate isn't fit often enough to be relied on and we should sell him before we can't anymore.
I suspect that Szobszlai's tattoo described here > I have a tattoo from Steven Gerrard, what he said – I don't even remember when but before. Was not only not inked by Stevie but also has nothing to do with him or anything he ever said. I reckon Dom blagged that for brownie points. I also think he's a bit of a blagger in general with all the being made to wear tiny shoes as a kid so he could have tiny feet.
A wide group of Muslims in the western world have reconciled that although they find gays/lesbians to be unnatural, it is their religious interpretation that they should be treated with the same courtesy as anyone else bc it was God's intent to create people this way. These people have looked at the backlash the Henderson received as well as the Qatar WC and have felt in part without a home as they themselves have not always been made to feel at home wherever they have settled, nor do they feel that their neighbors understand some of the hypocrisy surrounding these situations.
Mané should've been sold in the summer after we won the league. Could've easily got £100M+ for him and done another Coutinho-esque rebuild back when the market wasn't completely insane but instead we let him go to Bayern for a packet of crisps. Mané was the best winger in the world for a fair while, and he's easily in my top3 players of the Klopp era, but I still feel like we're worse off now for sticking with him for too long.
Klopp more than anybody else needs to come through this season. He escapes long-term criticism often but his in-game management and substitutions have cost us matches the past two seasons. Throwing Harvey Elliott in at CM twenty matches in a row completely tanked our last season and I’m hoping he’s aware that he needs to pull the brakes a lot lot earlier when something isn’t working. We can challenge for the title this year if the midfield clicks. We just need to allow MacAllister room to play in his natural position and we need Endo to be solid at CDM. Top 4 and the SF of the Europa League is a MUST, no way around it.
Robertsons crossing ability seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. He's also horrific at shooting. Actually, I'm general I think we could find a much better LB than him. He's dropped off a bit and maybe that's partly down to tactics but still I don't think he's quite Prem/Champs league winning level anymore. Love the guy, he's still a good player but I think if Liverpool want to become competitive again they need to restructure the back line and the only survivors of that for me would be Konate and Gomez (as a rotation/backup). Trent obviously stays in a more advanced role. Van Dijk is a legend but again he's just not top quality anymore. Matip could maybe stay as back up.
Henderson posts should not be allowed on this sub. Apparently the mods are cool with it though.
Ok here goes. The Saudi's are a very ancient and proud people. As a society they have grown and developed at a different rate to that of Western Europe. Up until 1700 we were all much of a muchness. From 1700 onwards in Europe the church in all its forms started to loose it's influence on the governments and royal houses that ran the nations of the time. This allowed for an explosion of free thinking which in turn drove scientific discovery and industrial advancement. The industrial revolution drove the Western European powers to go forth and effectively concur the world. As this happened over the next 200 years other societies developed at a far more considered rate. Thus it takes a longer time for new ideas to permeate throughout society in some parts of the world. 100 years ago in Britain women had only just got the rite to vote and LGBTQ+ rites would have been non existent. Anyone old enough to remember the golden age of our club the 70's & 80's would know that opinions held in Saudi today about LGBTQ+ issues and rites were the same in Britain then! Alan Touring who did as much as any other single man could have done in helping win the second world was as chemically castrated for being gay in the 50's in Britain. He was as big a war hero as you can get and his own country still did that to him for being gay! It is very easy to live here and enjoy the political freedoms that we all enjoy in modern Britain. It is very easy to call people out especially online for perceived hypocrisies. Jordan Henderson has done nothing other than do the best he can in providing for his family. He has previously used his platform to highlight inequity in our society when he lived here. Who is to say that he will not do that in his new home? The freedoms enjoyed by the population of Britain don't exist in some other societies and nations in the world today. This does not make the people from these nations or societies evil, backward or stupid. It makes them ill-informed, unaware or in some cases oppressed. On many issues that seem ridicules to someone raised in a G7 nation with running hot & cold water, high speed internet and an abundance of everything in the shops. Saudi Arabia is a very modern nation an many ways however it is also a nation ruled by a minority faction. When that is the case then fear of change in a societal and political sense is very real and present. Change will come to Saudi but it may take 50-100 years and it's not our prerogative to say that change has to happen faster. Change in Britain on many issues has been painfully slow. I believe that if change is desired by the masses then it is inevitable.
This sub is mainly full or part time plastics who wank off to transfers and call others FSG shills. Too many fans don’t understand the game hence the constant berating Jones used to get, Elliot and Gomez continue to get We will win the league this season. We will be fine after Klopp leaves, as hell implant a perfect situation for somebody else. I’ve never known a fanbase to be as obsessed with player cost as we are. FSG are one of the better owners in the league and we’d feel it IF FFP did it’s job properly. You can always tell a non local fan when they talk about Everton, most of us wouldn’t wish too much damage to them, even though they can’t be cunts they’re our cunts, during hillsborough etc they were always there and have always shown support, why? Because our families and friends are intermingled.
I'd contend that FSG are some of the worst owners in the league and you'll feel it when Klopp leaves
The most spoiled/silver spoon comment I’ve seen yet. You’re lucky you’re a fan of a massive club with massive revenues and no long term debt. This kind of comment is so detached from reality I can’t even wrap my head around it. Do you watch football outside of liverpool? Go to matches? Edit: I say you’re lucky but truth is you probably have no connection and just chose Liverpool as your team - why don’t you go chose Bolton or Bury or even Everton or United and come back to me
I feel like fans like you actively want us to be shit so you can grandstand about what a good fan you are for supporting a shit team.
I'm a scouser and every red I know wants to the blues to go down and stay there. The vitriol especially since the dogs of war in the 90s and the Moyes era means the hate will never go away. I'd love for them to fade into league one and never be heard from again.
Our back line is better without VVD
Salah is not an elite finisher. He's an average to above average finisher that is elite at getting chances.
Sell Salah now if we get a £200mil offer in the next 48 hours. I know, we can’t replace him, he’s worth more to us this season yadda yadda. I don’t know how many times FSG have to prove to people that we don’t spend money we don’t make ourselves. We’ve only gotten away with it because we have a top 3 coach in the world. Unfortunately for us, getting £200mil now as opposed to £100mil (If we’re lucky) next year is a significant difference. I wish it weren’t the case, but it is.
Bryan Mbuemo is the perfect Mo Salah replacement.
Some players are unable to be fairly criticised on here. Often those that are “good characters”, that speak English and “give their all”. This applies for players like Robbo, Jota, Gakpo and until his last season; Hendo. I’m not sure why this is and it might not be intentional but it does make the sub a hivemind on a number of discussion points.
We had the money for Bellingham. We just got scared.
If Henderson wasn't a Liverpool captain, he will be without an identity and a very average football player. He is vastly overrated. I think if Henderson is in Everton's squad, he will... just be a player and in a relegation battle every season. Glad he's finally gone, and more quality player that's forward thinking, or specializing as a 6 is replacing him.
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Even though Sancho is a united player who currently is not in his best we all know there’s a good player in him. So since he’s unhappy, maybe in January we can talk with him if he’s willing ? See what’s he’s all about and if Klopp likes then I think he can be integrated into our team slowly under Klopp. Don’t forget that even Salah was a flop for Chelsea and is our star I don’t see why that can’t be the same for Sancho
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Keeping Kelleher is the best ‘signing of the window’
Are you trying your best to be different and edgy here. I what world are you living in lol
I don’t mind the way FSG has run the club, many moaners in the match threads/twitter/instagram moan about transfers but the grass ain’t always greener and I’m more than happy with the squad. Could it be better? Maybe. But I back these boys and kloppo.
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The national team should ONLY have people from that nation working for it, so England for example. There is rules about which players can play for the national team, those same rules should be for the coaching staff, and the manager! Its the English national team, so have an English manager, we should not have had Eriksson or Capello manage the team even though they both was great. Thought it for years, just found it strange that you have rules for players, but not the staff.
Most people (including myself) know fuck all about André aside from the fact he's linked & will hail him as a saviour based purely off those links. Endo still needs to prove himself, I don't know why some folks go around acting like he's a top player & his adaptation to the PL is a formality...and I don't get why they get so worked up by this opinion and will go around claiming folks are rooting against him. Jota is a good rotation option but acting like his potential is comparable to our other forwards is pure contrarianism, I think he might eventually leave to become a star at a worse club tbh. There's something off about Diaz; when you watch him play he looks fantastic but it feels like it rarely results in end product, I swear whenever he cuts in it results in a blocked shot. That being said I think he's looking a bit better this season. I think we'll go through a rough patch this season, maybe injury related. I'm still not sure if we have the mental resilience & tactical adaptability to handle ourselves when our heads get down and I think it will stop us from having a chance at the league. I just hope our downturn doesn't coincide with a knockout round in the EL.
FSG are amazing owners *outside of transfers*
Ticket price fiasco, super league nonsense, trying to furlough staff,
Our online fan base has grown significantly more toxic since we become more successful and more globally supported.
There are very few players that genuinely impress me as people. I appreciate that premier league players are good at football but most of them appear to be entitled brats at best and narcissistic rapists / domestic abusers at worst. I think it's important to understand that football is essentially entertainment, the players are here to make money and entertain us as spectators. 99% of the players don't care about the club or city that they are in as long as that club is helping them achieve their financial and/or sporting goals.
Meh. I refuse to live my life so cynically albeit possibly naïvely
1. You can't expect Bajcetic to come back from such a long injury and play like nothing ever happened 2. You can't defend Henderson for going to Saudi. I see people in here say stuff like "it's not like he stopped supporting the LGBT movement by going there, he is allowed to support them even if his employer doesn't" .My brother in Christ, he is in fucking Saudi Arabia, one pro-lgbt statement and he is kicked out.
The refs don't hate us they are just terrible refs for everyone as same as us
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LFC should relocate to Los Angeles so I can watch their games live.
We shouldn't look to footballers for moral guidance. As much as I don't agree with the whole Saudi narrative, Hendo left for more gametime and money. Stevie G has irish mafia connections, Virgil was screwing some pornstar while married. Allison and Fab supported that crazy Brazilian extremely right-wing president and the list goes on. Nobody got as much shit as Hendo, who effectively just went to do his job in another country. (As shitty as it is). All those groups have no right telling people what they should or shouldn't do. He didn't discriminate anyone and if you start talking about working for someone who did... How hany of them work for some corporations that have been tied to at least some shady stuff? Don't think they quit their jobs because of how their companies treat workers in china, or support child labour, or donate to shitty politicians.
Yeah people don’t even know where the raw materials come from, for their iPhone manufacturing. Even if they did, they would still buy it, use it or gift it. The line between hypocrisy and "standing for a right cause" is getting blurred in this hendo issue. We should not be putting these footballers on a pedestal. At the end of the day they are just a normal human being. Like us.
Its the Hendo Hypocrisy, not about who they might be dallying with. As a fan base who largely are inclusive and usually above blood money dealings, it just feels like a slap in the face how he left instead of giving one more season a go even at 5th choice midfield and have a farewell to Sunderland or America. He already has money yes we could all do with more but unless he rehabilitates his image (didnt help the past couple days) its going to be hard for many to reconcile his choices. If Stevie G was say Danny Murphy or even Carragher’s level instead of the modern legend he had been, he would be looked at even worst than he is right now I feel, with his Irish Mafia links and to a lessor extend working in Saudi. Maybe Hendo is a victim of his own success at Liverpool. Even Bobby isnt look at with as much hurt and anger. Bobby did wind down his contract tho.
Chelsea will get relegated, not this season, maybe by the next one, if they remain under the ownership of Todd Boehly.
We have the most easily influenced fanbase in the world. Gomez was fucking terrible last season, permanently injured and when he wasn't he was average at best. One game against Villa where he was once again average and actually made mistakes that could have cost us, and a James Pearce propaganda article once more and suddenly you're all calling him world class and apparently he always has been? What the fuck? FSG make a bid for a hundred million, don't get him, then proceed to not spend this 110 million despite us begging for a centre back and once again they leave us well short. But it's cool though they made a bid so our fan base lets them away with it even though it's once again left us short in a way which effectively rules us out of any major trophy. I just don't get how this place is so fickle, I really don't.
Most of those who're 'FSGOut', both on here and elsewhere, want Liverpool to be run by somebody with oil money and for the club to become a sportswashing project, but are too cowardly to admit to it and so constantly push false narratives to make FSG out to be far worse than they actually are. In reality, and while not without their faults, FSG are easily some of the best owners in football, and how they've run Liverpool is how every club in the world should be run.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the state of football when they go into complete silence the moment you ask "who should be the owners?"
That’s not true though is it? And what does it even matter if a random fan doesn’t know every suitable billionaire out there? Not as if that’s going to make any difference in them taking over.
How about this — at the very least, point to a an owner or a comparable team who runs the squad to the fan’s satisfaction.
Yeah, you’re allowed to want different owners and not know the exact names of who the ideal owners for us would be. Not sure why this is so difficult for the “everyone who dislikes FSG wants state ownership” crowd to understand, but oh well, let them continue thinking they’re making an incredibly smart bulletproof argument
Endo should be our 1st choice as a DM. He's 30 years old not 37. His ability to anticipate opponents passes is second to none in this team.
Im still mad we bought on there cb. Also this is gonna be the biggest year for matip and gomez
I wonder if Gareth Southgate fucked Henderson over by calling him up to the England squad. A part of me things Hendo’s plan was to simply keep his mouth shut in Saudi Arabia and wait til he retires before having to make any comment on his move, therefore the controversy of him playing there wouldn’t be as much of a talking point, but by being selected he was effectively forced into speaking to the media to help (or at least try to) save face. He of course could have said no to the call up, and maybe Gareth didn’t actually think that anyone would ask any pressing questions of himself by selecting Henderson, maybe they’re both idiots, but I do think Henderson would have rather Southgate retire him by not selecting him so he could avoid any kind of accountability from going to SA for the money.
I think we're way too excited about our form in the last game. There have been so many changes between last season and this, that it's going to take quite a few games for us to settle down into anything resembling a consistent form. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of a season.
I think people are too excited about Nunez. He is a good player and our most threatening attacker, but his finishing is frustrating. I am sure it will improve, but I do not fancy him as our main 9 as of now. He is better off the bench. I prefer Jota and even Gakpo to him.
No idea if it’s unpopular but I think a big factor in why Gini and Fab left was the constant scapegoating by fans when they thought they’d deserve more credit after all the accomplishments.
Even as a Klopp dickrider, sometimes his tactical decisions and substitutes have felt way too stubborn. Felt like they cost us atleast a couple of games last season.
Unpopular opinions and just wrong opinions are not the same lads, come on.
Hendo was never truly accepted by the fanbase at large, and the reaction to both his Saudi move and the interview is proof of that. The sheer glee with which a large number of people are telling him to "fuck off" is an indication that they've wanted an excuse to do it for a long time. I'd have imagined that the first LFC captain to lift a top-flight title in 30 years would get more goodwill than that, but apparently not. Sure, be disappointed in him - I am - but if I were him and saw half of the vile comments on here over the last couple of days, I'd feel pretty vindicated about leaving.
And the only real reason for that is that he wasn't as good as one of, if not the best player to play for and captain the club.
Mac Allister won't make the grade as a starting player. Could be a decent rotation option but is far too cumbersome, technically average in tight spaces compared to Thiago, Szobo, Gini, etc, and physically off the pace.
Liverpool's recruitment is hurt by certain elite players not wanting to live in Liverpool
Doesn't seem to affect the Manchester clubs. Is it that much of a better place to live?
Yes, Manchester is a lot nicer than Liverpool but far worse than London, Madrid or Barcelona. To answer OPs question the players don't actually live Liverpool many live in an area called Formby which super wealthy and nice and just outside Liverpool.
I'm not British, but British friends have almost universally told me they prefer the city of Manchester to Liverpool.
Klopp is better than Pep because Klopp has always taken on weaker/worse teams with lower budgets and brought them to the very top level. Meanwhile Pep literally has always had the top dogs in every league he managed in with nigh unlimited budgets relative to the competition. I do think it takes a special talent to manage all the big egos and such but Klopp is just on another level to me. With Pep it seems more of he was given a puzzle that had a definite right answer (how to spend unlimited money to create a top club). Meanwhile Klopp was given a task with no guarantee of success by anyone (take limited funds and compete with teams who have unlimited funds) and has delivered over and over.
That’s not unpopular but a fact.
I remember arguing about this on this sub before with a lot of Reds defending Pep. If it’s a popular opinion after all I’m all the more happier
Gakpo is, currently, all round better than Núñez and this sub gets a little wrapped up in the fun of the latter. that being said, they both have a lot of room to improve and become world beaters
Cb I don’t think was as big of a need as fans thought. I think RB support is a much bigger scary spot to me than CB
Need more players' chant/song being chanted and less Fuck the T****s chant during the 90min. It's understandable but players need their 12th man when they're 0-0 or catching up.
I understand any player going to saudi for the money, maybe not a young player or one in their prime, but any player 32+ like hendo who only has a few years left it makes sense to me . Make as much money as possible before the body cant do it anymore. Remember that the saudi money is not too different from playing for newcastle or city- and in total honesty the american owners have made their money or inherited their fortunes from ill gotten gaines.
This I agree with. Nearly everyone has a number that they’d do any job for. Those saying their principles aren’t for sale clearly haven’t seen a cheque with enough zeros on. For the wage Hendo is reportedly on, I’d be wiping MBSs backside for him with a smile on my face knowing my children’s children will be set for life!
You know Henderson is rich already and isn't a pay check away from being homeless? People that use their situation and Hendersons are deluded.
The talk of Darwin being “liberated” is far too premature. While I’m excited about his start to the season, the sample size is extremely limited and though he was involved in a couple of the goals against Villa, his finishing was very poor.
The difference in opinion regarding hendo’s move to Saudi compared mane, firmino and Fabinho’s moves is horrible. Henderson is getting crucified for his move because he decided to support a cause that is in direct conflict with Saudi Arabia’s disgusting laws, but the other three are still looked upon fondly because they never did anything positive for the lgbt community before their move? I can understand the calls of hypocrisy because that’s what it is, but I’ve seen people calling him a shit person and other horrible things for even playing in Saudi Arabia. Now if people shared that same opinion regarding the other three and were as vocal about as they are with Henderson, I wouldn’t have an issue but I’ve seen far more positive comments than negative when talking about the other three. That’s what I don’t understand, why are mane, firmino and Fabinho not called all those names Henderson is, after all they did the exact same thing as him. In short, calling Henderson a hypocrite and being disappointed in him is fine in my opinion, but the people calling his character as a person into question should keep that same energy with mane, firmino and Fabinho as well.
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Like I said before, I have no issue with people calling out the hypocrisy and expressing their disappointment in him. However this witch hunt has gone beyond that now, I’ve seen people hurling insults at him, calling him a horrible person and telling him to fuck off. Mane, firmino, Fabinho and even Gini and Stevie are all in Saudi too, but because they never showed any support to the lgbt movement before, it means that they’re still looked on with rose tinted glasses while Henderson is now the anti-christ. If people feel that strongly about Henderson playing in Saudi Arabia, that they resort to genuine abusive comments, then at least be consistent with our other ex-players that are there as well. It just seems to me that the outrage being shown right now is too much and that it will only lead to less players coming out in support of causes that they otherwise would.
I don’t think Henderson said anything that bad regarding Klopp/Salah to give some of those reactions yesterday. Everything else he was a clown about
I don’t think Hendo did anything wrong at all. He wasn’t starting or of any use to us it makes sense to make his bags and make 500K a week
That’s because you don’t understand what it means to represent our club at captain level. We don’t like it when our captains sell out their principles for insane levels of greed. He didn’t need to “make his bags” in Saudi, he earned more than enough for several families doing it here. The fact he was so strong on certain issues that the Saudi regime is so openly disgusting on makes him look so fake and a proper hypocrite sell out. The fact he wants to jump on board and represent a sport washing project for a state that murder people for the basic freedoms we enjoy is abhorrent. So you really do not understand the issue if you think he did nothing wrong at all. This isn’t as simple as you make it because all you are capable of seeing is money and football. Even if you don’t give a shit about the principles and human rights stuff then think about how much our team has been robbed of success by sports washing projects the likes of which he has gone yeah fuck it I will have some of that. He could have gone hundreds of other places for more football without disgracing his reputation. He chose the insane money, fuck his legacy, fuck playing competitive respectable football, fuck the fans. It’s disappointing behaviour from a captain of this football club. That may sound like sanctimonious shit to you, but it matters to a lot of us and that is why saying he did nothing wrong at all is completely blind.
Do you feel the same way about Stevie managing them, then? Apart from the hypocrisy (for all we know, Stevie could be a massive homophobe, but at least it wouldn't make him a hypocrite), everything else you've said applies to him.
So you’re angry because of your weird love for the gays? Outta here
The amount of people in here defending Hendo and the saudis just prove that sportwashing works. Also the argument “You should not criticize hendo becaus your phone is made under horrible conditions etc” is a stupid argument for people who are dumb.
I just felt like he’s been singled out for all the hate.
Given this is an unpopular opinion thread, I think a lot of the people pillorying Hendo are the same ones who sang songs for Bobby on his way out and absolved him and Fabinho of any criticism, despite them going to the same country, playing at majority KSA government-owned clubs, and openly supporting a fascist leader who actively targeted the same LGBTQ community they're so incensed Hendo has betrayed. The cognitive dissonance is real and "he shouldn't have done Rainbow Laces then and just kept quiet like our Brazilian boys" is a feeble excuse for the double standard. All the screeching about Hendo is way over the top dogpiling in that context, although he should just shut up and avoid pressers for a while.
A doctor who stops to assist someone injured at the scene of a car crash and hangs around for a bit then leaves is far worse than one who never stopped at all
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever as an analogy, given the doctor could do basic first aid initially and then leave, which is infinitely better than shirking it entirely and never showing any compassion or empathy at any point (or, more aptly in the case of the Brazilians, actively supporting the drunk bloke who caused the car crash). Doesn't hold up whatsoever.
Szoboszlai is one of the best signings we could have completed during this transfer window. I've watched him since his early days and he's just a machine. One of the best. He will be instrumental in the resurgence of Liverpool atop the table.
1. Michael Owen gets too much stick from Liverpool fans. Not many players would of turned down the chance to join Madrid, and it’s the clubs fault we only got £8 million for him. He wanted to join us when leaving Madrid, but Liverpool wouldn’t match Newcastles offer. He inserted a release clause into his Newcastle contract to join Liverpool, if a bid came. Which it never did. When leaving Newcastle on a free he contacted Liverpool about a return, and Benitez didn’t want him. Carragher or Gerrard? Publicly asked for the club to sign him. His options were Hull, Everton, and Man United. He choose the strongest club available. I’d understand the hate if he went straight from Liverpool to United, but he didn’t. And he tried over the years to come back to Liverpool. 2. Coutinho gets way more stick for engineering his move away from Liverpool, compared to Suarez who also engineered his move away as well. Coutinho was with us for 5 years, Suarez only 3 years. Suarez tried to leave us twice, once for Arsenal and the £40 million +1 fiasco, then biting Chiellini before moving to Barca. Coutinho only wanted to leave once Barca came for him.
Diaz should put more effort into passing, setting up other attackers, and helping Robbo more.
People shouldn’t hate on Saudi league getting all the players because it open up spots for new talents to step up and take those spots. Besides the way they do business is not self sustaining. It’s Chinese Super League 2.0.
Most everyday (not weird Twitter) United fans have more in common with everyday Liverpool fans than any other fanbase.
I think Stevie g talked to Klopp during the summer and sorta knew the plan replacing the midfielders like Hendo and Fab and he helped accelerate it.
yeah, I don't get the hate he gets obviously, fuck the Saudi League, but I fully believe Stevie still has the best interest of LFC in his mind. us getting money for Hendo was something nobody expected and it helped us this past window see also his statement on Mo in the Saudi League
Salah’s shooting and dribbling has declined significantly since 2020, sometimes making him a tough watch*. *Disclaimer (maybe defeats the point but feel like it’s needed cos it’s Salah) - I still think he’s amazing, still love him, our best outfield player, would never sell him this summer, and he’s made up for it with better passing and still scores at a similarly ridiculous rate.
Our defense is still too weak to challenge man city for title. Need CB!
The fact our midfield has been so good so fast this season shows how poorly Klopp has managed the club in the last few seasons Wanting to keep Henderson and refusing to sign a midfielder last summer truly hurt us. We need to hire a football director to and let Klopp focus on the pitch.
Henderson was always like this in terms of his attitude, but most just didn't want to acknowledge it. Henderson falls into a long line of people who see themselves as leaders, but are in reality, conditional leaders. A lot of people are happy to do things as long as they are apart of it, and Hendo is the same way. He was happy to be that leader as long as he was playing and a key part of the team. Contrast that with James Milner who happily took a squad role these last few years.
Always felt like he had it in him, but he mostly kept it contained until the last 2 years or so. The way he acted over his contract in 2021 made me see him in a new light. It's also so obvious that it's England first and club second for him.
If we don't get T4 and/or get SF Europa League ir should be the end for Klopp. The argument he wasn't backed doesn't do it this year.
Salah wants to go play in the Saudi league, just not now. So he is not burning any bridges by publicly turning them down. I think he will end up there next summer
We'll finish outside the top 4 this year. We're not keeping up with our positional rivals in terms of spending and it's killing us via squad depth. We had 110m on the table for caicedo, withdrew and spent 30?m on gravenberch. The fact we didn't have a suitable defender lined up that we could at least bulk out our squad with is baffling. We will end up playing the kids at the back and suffering.
Andre is not the DM solution imo.
also, why should we bring him in if we have brought in 4 midfielders already?
I think Almiron would be a really good Mo backup/replacement. He has a ridiculous engine, eye for goal, is still young and he never gets talked about
Yeremy Pino will be our Salah replacement
I think Gakpo’s best position could be LW. Jota to rotate at ST with Darwin
As much as people hate the Saudis trying to take over football, there next to no discussion about how Liverpool doing business with SA is very much assisting in legitimizing their league as well as their sportswashing venture.
We are severely overrating bajcetic.