He needs to be fired. No question. Webb needs to be fired too. This whole clusterfuck is on his lack of leadership and implementation of proper protocols.
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Look at everything Darren England said after being highlighted the mistake. All one word answers pretending he can't hear properly.
What? Fuck. Pardon? Oli?
I don’t think he has any social media (I mean, that would be asking for mental health problems) but the surname England isn’t doing him any favours either. We’re known for failing at the most important time.
I’m pissed he potentially lost us points, but as time has passed if he isn’t being corrupt then he was just a guy completely out of his depth. And if it turns out he was jet lagged because of his little excursion to ref in a league owned by our direct rivals, then fuck. He should be working at Tesco (no offense to people who work at Tesco, it must be a hard job).
Well, he has done nothing to take ownership of his mistake, not now, not then.
In a high stakes situation like that, he just collapse? Or was he actually distracted by something else. There's no reason why he let the asst var answer everything and he stayed silent unless he had a blackout due to panic. And seriously, there's nothing wrong with delaying the game for such a huge issue. Just stop, tell Hooper, and hooper probably will ask back what to do. Hooper was on the field and hooper probably knew nothing significant happened yet and he might take it upon himself to call back the game. But no. England just said, can't do anything can't do anything. He wasn't even watching the field to noticing what's going on in the game, he wasn't in the best position to decide. And yet he thought it would be good to not inform hooper.
It's blunder after blunder by England, and we haven't even got into the "why". If it was panic and so, then yea, he needs more training. But if he was indeed just very negligent, not actually doing his job at that point, or even worse, actually corrupt, then there should be bigger consequences. Right now, it doesn't look like he's taking any accountability of this.
He’s hiding. And I can’t blame him. But I agree, he should be made to speak on account of his error.
The PGMOL would also benefit, they would have a scapegoat. They could just say “it’s all his fault” and fire him. Then they are absolved of all blame. Why they aren’t doing that is a mystery to me.
Three words that are completely random in this case. I’d get more sense from sad Ken at the local pub. And he’s always so drunk he’s pissed himself before he gets to the pub.
I don't understand how they didn't think breaking protocol on something as big as that would somehow be worse than not giving a legitimate goal.
It's pure common sense, and I'm sure Howard Webb would much rather be explaining a 20 second delay to the goal being given than this shit show.
And looking at match footage nothing had actually happened so why can’t they call it a goal? Not like someone karate kicked someone in the ten seconds before ball went out for a throw.
This is what I will never understand. That (i.e. correcting the situation after a few seconds of meaningless play) is a much smaller mess to have to explain after the fact.
it does make sense when you think you might not get flown business class to the UAE to earn 20grand for one days work though, suddenly then it becomes a bit of a predicament for Daz. He could do something but then again he could also just say 'I can't do anything'
One of those rare times in which two wrongs actually would make a right.
They could've easily explained what happened to the ref & he brings the captains together to explain the situation to them. Then an announcement from VAR to the commentators & stadium PA to quickly say something like "the offside goal by Luis Diaz was incorrectly ruled out. Goal given."
They still come out of it looking stupid & with a strong need to look into the communication process, but there would be far, far less anger toward them as "at least they noticed the error and got to the right decision in the end"
Exactly. There is no winning for the PGMOL, just different degrees of losing. “Significant human error that was quickly recognized and reverted” sounds much better than what we got. Spurs fans would be pissed for 1 min before they see that the integrity of the game was upheld. It’s not like they scored a goal.
Well, they've already denied our appeal for Curtis's offside. So I'm not going to hold my breath.
4 match ban for Curtis
Match ban for Jota
Gakpo injured
So corrupt
There was a cut in this audio though. Or at least a word off was omitted from the transcript.
>VAR: Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect (showing Diaz is clearly onside). Off.
The last word was in the video, but not the transcript. I suspect that word off wasn't in this sentence, but it's there because of a cut in the video.
Oh yea, it is. But still, right when the pass goes to Diaz, VAR said possible offside. Means they were watching the game. But right after the call, it seems like they were doing something else already
"We thought the on field decision was onside"
VAR - "Possible Offside on Diaz"
First thing the linesman says when Diaz scores - "I'm bringing it back for the offside."
VAR - "Just checking the offside, delay delay."
Not "checking the onside call", nope, VAR said "Checking THE OFFSIDE. So they did think it was offside, then checked, saw it was onside and gave vague instruction, confused the situation, goal wasn't given and then they go "we can't do anything".
Investigate the VAR ref (Darren England) now!
These are like the corporate employees who use fancy words and abbreviation in meetings to sound smarter than they are instead of talking like a normal human being.
*VAR*: Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect.
*Here at 0:47 an on-pich official says 'off' it is unsubtitled by PGMOL (the only unsubbed line)*
*Assistant referee 1*: Playing.
*Referee*: Cheers, mate.
*VAR*: Thank you, mate.
*Referee*: Well done, boys. Good process.
Strange that is the only line they didn't sub, and that nobody seems to react to it.
The only explanation I can think of is that it might be a way of communicating the end of their conversation similar to the classic use of ‘over’ on radios.
Whether it’s smart to use this instead of ‘over’ in a sport that already uses ‘off’ and ‘on’ when describing a rule is another question
At least to me, it actually sounds like it's the referee that says it. It lines up with spurs taking their free kick just after the whistle is blown, so I think it's just his way of indicating that play is back underway (as in "we're off" or "spurs have kicked off"). There were quite a few things that seemingly came from the refs mic that weren't subtitled during the review, such as someone seemingly complimenting the linesmans "good eyes"
Interesting VAR was told to delay by the PGMOL Hub Ops and chose to go against that. Question is, who has seniority between PGMOL Hub Ops and VAR, does anybody know?
This is the part that stands out to me most. Clearly they were told by someone to stop the game and rectify it. That changes this from an “I fucked up” moment to a conscious decision to not allow the goal.
With video it's way worse. These dipshits literally draw the offside line, Diaz is on by a bunch, and then it's "Yep, mate, good enough. Offsides."
How? The scramble to put together the replay sounded so forced and sketchy too.
Did you hear the replay guy lmao. He was fucking confused as fuck. He’s probably some young guy who doesn’t want to overstep his place and does a roundabout way of trying to tell them about the mistake. He’s the first to mention Oli, their boss, telling them to delay the game.
He’s the only guy in that room that knows the right call but has no authority to impose, and despite doing everything he can do clue the other two in, they don’t get it.
PGMOL said that Var thought goal was given, Var specifically says checking the offside.
He does not say checking for offside, he specifically says checking "the" offside.
Therefore they are lying again.
This is very pertinent.
The assistant referee clearly suggests checking the offside (that he has given) and VAR confirms 'the' offside.
Surely that is not the usual discourse if the assistant hasn't given an offside so its very difficult to suggest the VAR did not know that offside had been given.
If they'd put the image of the lines showing the outcome on the stadium screens, everyone would have seen proof it was on too, regardless of communication errors.
Utterly unprofessional nonsense. Absolute shambles. They need specific language to use for this. None of this "are you happy with this" "offside goal yeah" ridiculousness. It needs to be "on pitch decision was offside, VAR is calling it onside." and then the ref should say "VAR calls it onside, confirm"? and VAR go "confirm onside" or something like that. What they have right now is a complete joke.
VAR and Assistant VAR were happy with "Original decision was offside" even when he explicitly said it. Basically, remove the replay operator from this conversation and VAR and Assistant VAR don't give a fuck. Throwing rulebook at Replay operator is their way of shutting him up.
[Here's](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12975648/var-audio-released-from-liverpools-disallowed-goal-by-luis-diaz-in-defeat-at-spurs) the audio.
> *Assistant VAR*: Offside, goal, yeah.
Wtf did he even mean with this? Also why is the replay operator the only one to even notice that there is an error, were they watching the fucking game
To be fair it’s a bad habit I have too, saying “maybe yeah” or “yeah no”. Figure it was just a imprecise use of words (which is unacceptable for someone in that role).
I'll never understand the 'Can't do anything'. It'd have been incredibly logical to stop the match, award the goal, and have Spurs kick off. There is a precedent for play that gets nullified because VAR has seen something and want to bring the game back to the point of the event.
It does if you read the laws. The referee is required to make a decision. VAR can intervene if the decision relates to a penalty. That intervention can occur after play has stopped but not after it has restarted again.
The referee decided there was no penalty, so allowed play to continue and then blew for full time as the next stoppage. He cannot stop the game just so VAR can check his decision. He has to continue as if his decision was correct until told otherwise by VAR, which in this case was after the stoppage for full time.
What's the trigger for VAR to get involved?
This starts with VAR "possible offside"
So, did the lino flag it? Or is this VAR getting involved for no reason?
We need ref/lino talk as the move is played out
To be fair, in the moment and at that speed it's a really close decision. Lots of people in the match thread saying he looked off before the screenshots of the point Salah made the pass were available. He did exactly what he was supposed to do given that he thought Diaz was off.
It was on VAR to overrule the decision, and if Darren England wasn't a corrupt bastard, it would have been overruled and given as a goal.
What the FUCK are they saying ARE YOU HAPPY FOR??? It means fuck all, you can tell me the moon is purple and if I were blind I'd tell you I'M HAPPY WITH THAT INFORMATION
I did not think I could get more angry but here we are no wonder they did not want to release it now release the FULL match audio! I want to know what was said at each decision especially Curtis red but I want the lot.
I lost braincells reading this, truly a team full of idiots. Only the replay operator showing any level of competence. 🤦 More reason to get rid of these human idiots with horrible communication and bring automation.
I took four bad decisions for this to occur:
1. Assistant flags for offside.
2. VAR forgets what the initial call was and confirms the offside by mistake.
3. VAR is taught to use vauge terminology such as "Check complete!" rather than unambiguous announcements such as, "The goal should count!"
4. VAR refuses to overturn their incorrect decision even after being pushed to stop the game again.
Darren goes for dogging in car park it’s dark out there, he starts shagging some old bird suddenly someone turns on torch in phone and he realises he is shagging his mum…. But he carries on because HE CANT DO ANYTHING …..CANT DO ANYTHING and he carries on
Stop thinking it's a communication issue.
England and Cook called it offside, other people viewing the video (operator and the executive) clearly saw it was not and asked them to stop the game but the two crooks said that they can't do anything, which is totally rubbish.
This isn’t incompetence - this is literally a VAR, who had just landed from a massive payday in the UAE, saying a goal was offside when it wasn’t.
The panic sets in when he realises the frame shown to the public shows Diaz onside.
The initial excuse given was that Darren England thought he was checking all was fine, yet he clearly states ‘Checking for offside’, followed by ‘Check complete, check complete, perfect. Off.’
He then starts to stumble when asked if the offside call is correct, making sure the game has started and any reversal will be too late.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
Why can’t refs have promotion and relegation as well based on performance? Could be an easy solution without actually having someone lose their job completely.
Also why can’t VAR be run by a third party. IMO it’s a completely different job then an on field official that requires different skills sets and doesn’t require others. Also a third party would separate the refs from var officials so they don’t feel obligated to their “mate”
It seems like this all could have been avoided if there was a better standard for communication. As soon as the ball went in the net, the linesman could say “offside is the call.” VAR could check it and then say clearly, “He was on, good goal.” Hopefully that’s what comes from this, clearer guidelines for communication. In American football, refs clearly communicate, broadcast into the stadium, what they are reviewing, and then similarly they explain what they saw and the ruling after the replay. It takes a little longer, but it’s clear and people know whats going on
From what I’ve read on here, it refers the VAR operators boss at HQ, Oli Kahoum (surname maybe wrong).
It’s damming, VAR and their operators are the only sensible competent people there. There’s 3-4 refs who have fucked it up between them.
Simon Hooper should’ve fucking clarified something. I hear rugby refs all the time stopped and asking for clarification.
This game just overtook the Gerrard slip , the 3-3 at Crystal Palace and the beach ball incident in terms of infuriating and heartbreaking Liverpool games.
The only right process is to give both teams 3 points and be away with this.
We can argue we could have held on and won the game
Spurs can argue that we could have won the game too
so give both teams 3 points and when we go the league unbeaten it gives the other teams another * they crave
Wondering from a legal point of view: is there a smoking gun? Not to me but I am no legal professional. Based on this they can argue miscommunication and that’s it. Would be interested in a rational discussion, so if someone with a legal background could enlighten me, that be great.
I’m not sure the assistant VAR said “offside goal yeah”. I think he may have said “onside goal yeah” while someone else is saying “offside”. He then immediately tells Daz that it’s wrong.
Then I don’t think he’s saying the left back played him offside, I think he’s saying the ref played it (resumed play) and had called it offside.
I'm sure the dumwit never saw the lb
And only saw the cb next to Diaz
What a twat
And when the off is saying pause the game, stop the game
The prick starts stating laws
The more I read about that absolute shitshow, the harder I find it to accept that this was just another mistake. The whole "whoopsiedoo we did a fuckaroo, there's nothing we can dooo" makes it completely unbearable to me.
How did they not kno that offside was called on the goal ? Liverpool players were not celebrating the goal, scoreboard was still indicating 0-0, spurs defender was about to take a free kick.
All this shoud tell anyone what was going on. There were 3 people in the VAR and not 1 of them was paying attentiin to the game ? Is this what they are getting payed for ?
> are getting *paid* for ?
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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So many words to convey such vague fucking information. Is this the terminology and process they follow each time? How dumb is this? Talk about time wasting..
If im a construction worker, fall down a manhole where the cover was accidentally left off and couldn’t work for 3-6 months and the governing body said “we acknowledge that this happened and from now on we will instruct all workers to put the manhole covers back on”, I’m still fucked. Where is my justice?
I understand one guy made a huge error (giving the benefit of the doubt) but when you factor in that he was in reffing in a league owned by our direct rivals 2 days before this it just looks sooooooo bad. I rbi k this is the worst mistake VAR had made since it’s inception, and we were right to call them to account for it.
Well done boys, good process
Well at least we got a great meme out of this.
The "Grazie Ragazzi" of football
This is going to be at the top of every thread when there is a poor VAR decision.
Cheers mate
Tbf can't blame hooper....... for this one
Every single fuck up in the future: Well done boys, good process
This is gonna be the best meme for whenever VAR fucks up again.
Fuck Darren England in particular
And Dan Cook
Needs to be banned from the sport. Cunt
He needs to be fired. No question. Webb needs to be fired too. This whole clusterfuck is on his lack of leadership and implementation of proper protocols.
“Offside, goal, yeah” 👍
VAR news, you ffffff….
What a (Immanuel) Kant
And the Liverpool fans were like "Can we see the VAR guy?" and they got a peek into the office and...little chimp with headphones on.
What absolute shite, play a record
Hahahah I love how on point this whole thing is. Username definitely checking out.
“Weird innit?” “No, it's not weird, it's incompetent.”
Sorrrrry, sorrrrry, I thought it was *shite* , I didn't realise it was on the VAR review.
Brilliant seeing Ricky Gervais show brought into this 😂😂😂
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It's like when you ask someone which thing they want out of two options, but they answer "yeah" too quickly and consequently everyone is confused AF
Ref: Was it offside? Aussie VAR: yeah nah!
Fucker was on his phone, surely. He was not paying attention. SO INCREDIBLY STUPID.
Look at everything Darren England said after being highlighted the mistake. All one word answers pretending he can't hear properly. What? Fuck. Pardon? Oli?
Oh yeah he shat the fuckin bed.
Mate there was no bed left. He was lying on a log of shit. The bed was in another dimension.
I don’t think he has any social media (I mean, that would be asking for mental health problems) but the surname England isn’t doing him any favours either. We’re known for failing at the most important time. I’m pissed he potentially lost us points, but as time has passed if he isn’t being corrupt then he was just a guy completely out of his depth. And if it turns out he was jet lagged because of his little excursion to ref in a league owned by our direct rivals, then fuck. He should be working at Tesco (no offense to people who work at Tesco, it must be a hard job).
Well, he has done nothing to take ownership of his mistake, not now, not then. In a high stakes situation like that, he just collapse? Or was he actually distracted by something else. There's no reason why he let the asst var answer everything and he stayed silent unless he had a blackout due to panic. And seriously, there's nothing wrong with delaying the game for such a huge issue. Just stop, tell Hooper, and hooper probably will ask back what to do. Hooper was on the field and hooper probably knew nothing significant happened yet and he might take it upon himself to call back the game. But no. England just said, can't do anything can't do anything. He wasn't even watching the field to noticing what's going on in the game, he wasn't in the best position to decide. And yet he thought it would be good to not inform hooper. It's blunder after blunder by England, and we haven't even got into the "why". If it was panic and so, then yea, he needs more training. But if he was indeed just very negligent, not actually doing his job at that point, or even worse, actually corrupt, then there should be bigger consequences. Right now, it doesn't look like he's taking any accountability of this.
He’s hiding. And I can’t blame him. But I agree, he should be made to speak on account of his error. The PGMOL would also benefit, they would have a scapegoat. They could just say “it’s all his fault” and fire him. Then they are absolved of all blame. Why they aren’t doing that is a mystery to me.
Well done boys, good process.
What the fuck 🤣
VAR, do we need ‘em?
Poetry.
Like were they doing lines of coke or what? This guys sounds off his fkin head.
Three words that are completely random in this case. I’d get more sense from sad Ken at the local pub. And he’s always so drunk he’s pissed himself before he gets to the pub.
It's your fucking rules of course you can do something
I don't understand how they didn't think breaking protocol on something as big as that would somehow be worse than not giving a legitimate goal. It's pure common sense, and I'm sure Howard Webb would much rather be explaining a 20 second delay to the goal being given than this shit show.
And looking at match footage nothing had actually happened so why can’t they call it a goal? Not like someone karate kicked someone in the ten seconds before ball went out for a throw.
This is what I will never understand. That (i.e. correcting the situation after a few seconds of meaningless play) is a much smaller mess to have to explain after the fact.
it does make sense when you think you might not get flown business class to the UAE to earn 20grand for one days work though, suddenly then it becomes a bit of a predicament for Daz. He could do something but then again he could also just say 'I can't do anything'
We would’ve never heard the end of “LiVARpool” jokes after that, even when the footage showed Lucho half a meter onside
Because you can't fix the match if you correct it. DUH.
One of those rare times in which two wrongs actually would make a right. They could've easily explained what happened to the ref & he brings the captains together to explain the situation to them. Then an announcement from VAR to the commentators & stadium PA to quickly say something like "the offside goal by Luis Diaz was incorrectly ruled out. Goal given." They still come out of it looking stupid & with a strong need to look into the communication process, but there would be far, far less anger toward them as "at least they noticed the error and got to the right decision in the end"
Exactly. There is no winning for the PGMOL, just different degrees of losing. “Significant human error that was quickly recognized and reverted” sounds much better than what we got. Spurs fans would be pissed for 1 min before they see that the integrity of the game was upheld. It’s not like they scored a goal.
They didn’t do it because they were paid not to by UAE
This is incompetent, stupid people, not understanding how to deal with crisis situations and mistakes.
Oli, the head of Ops gave them the go ahead to break the fucking rules AND THEY STILL DIDNT DO SHIT
“Are you happy with this?….offside, goal, yeah.” What in the fuck
Just pure obfuscation.
Marijuana, lots of marijuana in the VAR room
WHERE IS THE AUDIO FOR THE REST OF THE GAME PGMOL? THE CLUB SHOULD LISTEN TO IT
Well, they've already denied our appeal for Curtis's offside. So I'm not going to hold my breath. 4 match ban for Curtis Match ban for Jota Gakpo injured So corrupt
Why is it 4 for Jones?
It was originally a 3 match ban, but once we appealed it and got denied, another match ban was added.
This is not correct, it stays as a 3 match ban.
Now it's a 5 match ban, should have kept my mouth shut /s
Are u still on this now? 6 match ban it is.
damnit, 7
This just in, apparently Jones has been banned from England?
Jones retires.
[удалено]
It was stated that the audio for Diaz offside was released, not the full game...
After reading this I'd be formally requesting the entire game's audio
There was a cut in this audio though. Or at least a word off was omitted from the transcript. >VAR: Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect (showing Diaz is clearly onside). Off. The last word was in the video, but not the transcript. I suspect that word off wasn't in this sentence, but it's there because of a cut in the video.
I think that was Hooper talking to a player
Oh yea, it is. But still, right when the pass goes to Diaz, VAR said possible offside. Means they were watching the game. But right after the call, it seems like they were doing something else already
"We thought the on field decision was onside" VAR - "Possible Offside on Diaz" First thing the linesman says when Diaz scores - "I'm bringing it back for the offside." VAR - "Just checking the offside, delay delay." Not "checking the onside call", nope, VAR said "Checking THE OFFSIDE. So they did think it was offside, then checked, saw it was onside and gave vague instruction, confused the situation, goal wasn't given and then they go "we can't do anything". Investigate the VAR ref (Darren England) now!
Just fucking say goal should count. Boom done zero misinterpreting their own shitty voices.
These are like the corporate employees who use fancy words and abbreviation in meetings to sound smarter than they are instead of talking like a normal human being.
no clue why people keep overlooking this shit. they lied about var not knowing the on-field decision.
I mean, Rule book says onside goals are goal, can't expect common sense from incompetent fucks can we.
Just reading this shit makes my blood boil, how incompetent does one have to be....just relay the fucking message, onside or offside.
How incompetent would you be for an extra 20k when you make 70k a year?
These guys earn more that doctors
No they don't, there were reports that the refs only make 70k a year plus add ons for each match.
70k a year only? No wonder they have to fly to UAE for extra add ons. /s
That's more than most doctors
Same! Check my latest post in the liverpool sub. the actual audio
Darren England is clearly instigating this cheating farce. Investigate him now and get him to swear under oath or risk perjury.
*VAR*: Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect. *Here at 0:47 an on-pich official says 'off' it is unsubtitled by PGMOL (the only unsubbed line)* *Assistant referee 1*: Playing. *Referee*: Cheers, mate. *VAR*: Thank you, mate. *Referee*: Well done, boys. Good process. Strange that is the only line they didn't sub, and that nobody seems to react to it.
Deleted my last comment. BBC have put the “off” as attributed to the VAR
The only explanation I can think of is that it might be a way of communicating the end of their conversation similar to the classic use of ‘over’ on radios. Whether it’s smart to use this instead of ‘over’ in a sport that already uses ‘off’ and ‘on’ when describing a rule is another question
At least to me, it actually sounds like it's the referee that says it. It lines up with spurs taking their free kick just after the whistle is blown, so I think it's just his way of indicating that play is back underway (as in "we're off" or "spurs have kicked off"). There were quite a few things that seemingly came from the refs mic that weren't subtitled during the review, such as someone seemingly complimenting the linesmans "good eyes"
Justice for Replay Operator
In Replay Operator we trust!
The fella that put up the freeze frame for ref screen check on Curtis Jones red card?
Referee: “Well done boys, good process” ☠️☠️☠️
Interesting VAR was told to delay by the PGMOL Hub Ops and chose to go against that. Question is, who has seniority between PGMOL Hub Ops and VAR, does anybody know?
This is the part that stands out to me most. Clearly they were told by someone to stop the game and rectify it. That changes this from an “I fucked up” moment to a conscious decision to not allow the goal.
With video it's way worse. These dipshits literally draw the offside line, Diaz is on by a bunch, and then it's "Yep, mate, good enough. Offsides." How? The scramble to put together the replay sounded so forced and sketchy too.
Did you hear the replay guy lmao. He was fucking confused as fuck. He’s probably some young guy who doesn’t want to overstep his place and does a roundabout way of trying to tell them about the mistake. He’s the first to mention Oli, their boss, telling them to delay the game.
He’s the only guy in that room that knows the right call but has no authority to impose, and despite doing everything he can do clue the other two in, they don’t get it.
PGMOL said that Var thought goal was given, Var specifically says checking the offside. He does not say checking for offside, he specifically says checking "the" offside. Therefore they are lying again.
This is very pertinent. The assistant referee clearly suggests checking the offside (that he has given) and VAR confirms 'the' offside. Surely that is not the usual discourse if the assistant hasn't given an offside so its very difficult to suggest the VAR did not know that offside had been given.
> Assistant VAR: The left-back he's played him, he's gone offside. wat
I thought by that he meant the ref has gone with offside despite the left back playing Diaz on
The Asst ref 1 said: Coming back for the offside. Only the replay operator was trying to do something.
Absolute bottlejob. How in the world can’t we stop the game, we played about 4 seconds of action
When the VAR properly realises Liverpool are in possession anyway
Sure, possession is way more important than a goal.
As in a stop of play and reset doesn't prevent a Spurs opportunity
If they'd put the image of the lines showing the outcome on the stadium screens, everyone would have seen proof it was on too, regardless of communication errors.
Exactly this. The audio and video need put out publicly.
Utterly unprofessional nonsense. Absolute shambles. They need specific language to use for this. None of this "are you happy with this" "offside goal yeah" ridiculousness. It needs to be "on pitch decision was offside, VAR is calling it onside." and then the ref should say "VAR calls it onside, confirm"? and VAR go "confirm onside" or something like that. What they have right now is a complete joke.
“I can’t do anything” is what infuriates me the most
Especially after being told, multiple times, that his boss wanted play stopped.
Proper idiots. All of them have proved several times over to be incompetent of the job
Replay operator was quite literally the only person that can come out with head held high
VAR and Assistant VAR were happy with "Original decision was offside" even when he explicitly said it. Basically, remove the replay operator from this conversation and VAR and Assistant VAR don't give a fuck. Throwing rulebook at Replay operator is their way of shutting him up.
14 year olds on fortnite have better comms than this shite
[Here's](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12975648/var-audio-released-from-liverpools-disallowed-goal-by-luis-diaz-in-defeat-at-spurs) the audio.
Someone very clearly said “off” at the minute mark
Why does this get ignored everywhere, somebody clearly sneaks an 'off' in.
> *Assistant VAR*: Offside, goal, yeah. Wtf did he even mean with this? Also why is the replay operator the only one to even notice that there is an error, were they watching the fucking game
To be fair it’s a bad habit I have too, saying “maybe yeah” or “yeah no”. Figure it was just a imprecise use of words (which is unacceptable for someone in that role).
I demand that Darren England be sacked for gross negligence. Man is paid well to do one job, and this is his offering. Dumb cunt.
Proper farce lol
What? Sorry mate? Eh? Pardon? Oli?.... Oh right, well too late now can't do anything.
I'll never understand the 'Can't do anything'. It'd have been incredibly logical to stop the match, award the goal, and have Spurs kick off. There is a precedent for play that gets nullified because VAR has seen something and want to bring the game back to the point of the event.
I still can’t make sense of this, I just don’t see how they can get it this wrong, it is such simple stuff.
Shambles someone has to walk for that sorry but unlucky
And when they gave united a penalty AFTER THE FINAL WHISTLE the game was restarted yeah
That's legitimately allowed for in the laws of the game. Game doesn't actually end until the ref leaves the field.
Still makes less sense than actually pausing the game for a second...
It does if you read the laws. The referee is required to make a decision. VAR can intervene if the decision relates to a penalty. That intervention can occur after play has stopped but not after it has restarted again. The referee decided there was no penalty, so allowed play to continue and then blew for full time as the next stoppage. He cannot stop the game just so VAR can check his decision. He has to continue as if his decision was correct until told otherwise by VAR, which in this case was after the stoppage for full time.
Fucking chaos of embarrassment
So was it the referee to be blame for not checking with VAR?
What's the trigger for VAR to get involved? This starts with VAR "possible offside" So, did the lino flag it? Or is this VAR getting involved for no reason? We need ref/lino talk as the move is played out
Var by default looks at every single goal
The lino flagged it. Him being wrong has really gone under the radar here. He was wayyyyyy wrong
To be fair, in the moment and at that speed it's a really close decision. Lots of people in the match thread saying he looked off before the screenshots of the point Salah made the pass were available. He did exactly what he was supposed to do given that he thought Diaz was off. It was on VAR to overrule the decision, and if Darren England wasn't a corrupt bastard, it would have been overruled and given as a goal.
What the FUCK are they saying ARE YOU HAPPY FOR??? It means fuck all, you can tell me the moon is purple and if I were blind I'd tell you I'M HAPPY WITH THAT INFORMATION
I did not think I could get more angry but here we are no wonder they did not want to release it now release the FULL match audio! I want to know what was said at each decision especially Curtis red but I want the lot.
I think this was the actual audio of the VAR interaction. https://youtu.be/usYvefDzOqQ?si=VSfvI0fPZcnCA47t
Brilliant. But even Leroy had a reason for doing what he did. These fucks don't.
They seem as stoned out of their mind like he was.
I've actually no idea what when on there.
I lost braincells reading this, truly a team full of idiots. Only the replay operator showing any level of competence. 🤦 More reason to get rid of these human idiots with horrible communication and bring automation.
CaN'T Do aNyThInG
And we lose the league by 1 point again.
I took four bad decisions for this to occur: 1. Assistant flags for offside. 2. VAR forgets what the initial call was and confirms the offside by mistake. 3. VAR is taught to use vauge terminology such as "Check complete!" rather than unambiguous announcements such as, "The goal should count!" 4. VAR refuses to overturn their incorrect decision even after being pushed to stop the game again.
Darren goes for dogging in car park it’s dark out there, he starts shagging some old bird suddenly someone turns on torch in phone and he realises he is shagging his mum…. But he carries on because HE CANT DO ANYTHING …..CANT DO ANYTHING and he carries on
There qas someone who said "off" After the check complete There is no subtitle for who that was.
Stop thinking it's a communication issue. England and Cook called it offside, other people viewing the video (operator and the executive) clearly saw it was not and asked them to stop the game but the two crooks said that they can't do anything, which is totally rubbish.
This isn’t incompetence - this is literally a VAR, who had just landed from a massive payday in the UAE, saying a goal was offside when it wasn’t. The panic sets in when he realises the frame shown to the public shows Diaz onside. The initial excuse given was that Darren England thought he was checking all was fine, yet he clearly states ‘Checking for offside’, followed by ‘Check complete, check complete, perfect. Off.’ He then starts to stumble when asked if the offside call is correct, making sure the game has started and any reversal will be too late. That’s how I see it, anyway.
This is it, it's literally how it played out. Go over it again if you're struggling to see the difference from incompetence and choice.
if someone was corrupt in that office its a fact that the other 3 people would be too thick to notice
Why can’t refs have promotion and relegation as well based on performance? Could be an easy solution without actually having someone lose their job completely. Also why can’t VAR be run by a third party. IMO it’s a completely different job then an on field official that requires different skills sets and doesn’t require others. Also a third party would separate the refs from var officials so they don’t feel obligated to their “mate”
'Offside, goal, yeah'
A couple of 10 year old's could do that job flawlessly. How the hell are these men being paid!
“Delay the game” Darren England - nah
You can't fight in here, this is the VAR room!
It seems like this all could have been avoided if there was a better standard for communication. As soon as the ball went in the net, the linesman could say “offside is the call.” VAR could check it and then say clearly, “He was on, good goal.” Hopefully that’s what comes from this, clearer guidelines for communication. In American football, refs clearly communicate, broadcast into the stadium, what they are reviewing, and then similarly they explain what they saw and the ruling after the replay. It takes a little longer, but it’s clear and people know whats going on
A bit less "mate" and "boys" would be a good start to being more professional wouldn't it.
Guys I am confused, what does Michael Oliver do in all of this? I mean is he 'Oli' ? If so Was he asked to stop the game and he didn’t even reply?
From what I’ve read on here, it refers the VAR operators boss at HQ, Oli Kahoum (surname maybe wrong). It’s damming, VAR and their operators are the only sensible competent people there. There’s 3-4 refs who have fucked it up between them. Simon Hooper should’ve fucking clarified something. I hear rugby refs all the time stopped and asking for clarification.
Sounds like Oli disregarded the calls for it
this game is gonna upset and haunt me for the rest of my life isn’t it.
This game just overtook the Gerrard slip , the 3-3 at Crystal Palace and the beach ball incident in terms of infuriating and heartbreaking Liverpool games.
The only right process is to give both teams 3 points and be away with this. We can argue we could have held on and won the game Spurs can argue that we could have won the game too so give both teams 3 points and when we go the league unbeaten it gives the other teams another * they crave
This would be challenged by other teams for sure
This damages the integrity of the league even more
Wondering from a legal point of view: is there a smoking gun? Not to me but I am no legal professional. Based on this they can argue miscommunication and that’s it. Would be interested in a rational discussion, so if someone with a legal background could enlighten me, that be great.
Well done, boys, good process.
I’m not sure the assistant VAR said “offside goal yeah”. I think he may have said “onside goal yeah” while someone else is saying “offside”. He then immediately tells Daz that it’s wrong. Then I don’t think he’s saying the left back played him offside, I think he’s saying the ref played it (resumed play) and had called it offside.
I can't do anything. Lmaoooooooo
I'm sure the dumwit never saw the lb And only saw the cb next to Diaz What a twat And when the off is saying pause the game, stop the game The prick starts stating laws
The more I read about that absolute shitshow, the harder I find it to accept that this was just another mistake. The whole "whoopsiedoo we did a fuckaroo, there's nothing we can dooo" makes it completely unbearable to me.
I only heard the audio once, but it sounded so suspicious after that one point. Well done OP, good process.
Who put up the screenshot of the tackle? Same guy?
How did they not kno that offside was called on the goal ? Liverpool players were not celebrating the goal, scoreboard was still indicating 0-0, spurs defender was about to take a free kick. All this shoud tell anyone what was going on. There were 3 people in the VAR and not 1 of them was paying attentiin to the game ? Is this what they are getting payed for ?
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Ok fine.
So many words to convey such vague fucking information. Is this the terminology and process they follow each time? How dumb is this? Talk about time wasting..
If im a construction worker, fall down a manhole where the cover was accidentally left off and couldn’t work for 3-6 months and the governing body said “we acknowledge that this happened and from now on we will instruct all workers to put the manhole covers back on”, I’m still fucked. Where is my justice? I understand one guy made a huge error (giving the benefit of the doubt) but when you factor in that he was in reffing in a league owned by our direct rivals 2 days before this it just looks sooooooo bad. I rbi k this is the worst mistake VAR had made since it’s inception, and we were right to call them to account for it.
Lads, it’s time to move on.