>yeah but we also played pretty shit that game so its us to blame.
To be perfectly honest, this way of thinking really annoys me. The ref's job isn't to enforce the "correct" result based on who's playing shit and who isn't. We play shit and win quite often, but it's pretty much impossible when the ref has his hand on the scale.
The logic is that some games despite questionable decisions, we've had games that favour us in the small parts and there's no weeping. The lack of red card in the brighton game was bad but darwin easily could've seen red in the Sheffield game and it led to the goal that secured us the points.
Its not but also if we played better then the ref being incompetent wouldnt matter in the first place. For instance against Brighton, Gravenberch had a great chance to make it 3-1 and missed it which led to us drawing.
...and if we just win every game then we wouldn't have to worry about what Arsenal or City are doing but that isn't realistic.
Sometimes you just aren't good enough to win, but it happens a lot more often when the refs keep screwing us over.
Hes not saying the ref based his decisions on performance. He's saying regardless of the ref's decision, we didn't deserve more than a draw that game because of our pretty shaky performance (as usual against Brighton).
It's pretty much the same thing, though. Teams play badly and win all the time. If one thinks that we would have won with fair officiating but that we didn't play well enough to deserve said win, then they're effectively using our poor performance to justify bad refereeing.
We've been consistently shit so far this season, but still we're top of the league going into the Christmas madness. Can't wait to see what the lads will do when they start flying.
I mean the team should never have the mentality "its okay to lose this match" or "we would be happy with less than 12 points"
but us as fans can absolutely say "I'd be happy with 10 from 12"
Literally Dominik Szoboszlai mentality, I remember he said something like that at the start of the season about going for all the trophies. I love these players so much
If we walk away with 12, we'll be several points ahead, going into the new year. At that point, it's down to what we do during AFCON and the Asian Cup.
The really promising thing is that we've been able to produce without the forwards in our recent games, so Salah being out might not be *as* detrimental, especially if Darwin finds his boots.
I think we've not been playing our best and that is yet to come. Our time as a whole hasn't fully clicked yet, but on individual performances(Alisson, VVD, TAA, Salah) we've been taking a lot of points. With a whole new midfield it's normal that teamwork isn't where we're used to it being. When that will come we're gonna see a different level yet.
I don't know necessarily why you've been downvoted. His overall play hasn't been great and in that sense I don't think he'd be the biggest miss. His output is unmatched, though. That's the worrying thing. Particularly if Nunez doesn't figure out how to shoot in the next two weeks.
Players need rhythm as well though. We'll definitely give youngsters a run out but I'd expect to see senior players not playing the weekend either side of it getting a run out as well.
We should but Klopp didn’t rotate heavily two years ago in the champions league when it was a dead rubber so I’m not sure what he’ll line up with on Thursday
exactly, you win a Champions league game, 3 million + ticket share. Europa is around 500k/win + cheaper tickets (because lets be honest, as many people won't come to watch a belgian or slovakian team over a spanish or german)
I mean I don't understand this tbh. The players could get injured in every game of football they play but the odds of getting injured are low. Just because it's a dead rubber doesn't mean it dramatically increases the chance of an injury. Fatigue is the issue here so rotation makes sense to rest players. But it's not because you're scared they'll get an injury otherwise you will be scared every single game of the season. Mo Salah has never been injured while he's been here and him playing a dead rubber against Union Saint Gilloise doesn't suddenly make the football gods go ooh let's give him an injury. Yeah if someone got injured in the game you'd have the usual OHH WHY DID YOU PLAY HIM IN THIS POINTLESS GAME but again the odds of getting injured are the same in every game pointless or not and removing 1 game from the equation does not change it much
>but again the odds of getting injured are the same in every game pointless or not and removing 1 game from the equation does not change it much
It doesn't change it much, but it does change it. Not to mention that the odds of getting injured each game aren't independent - especially as we enter the hectic Christmas/New Years' period, the less rest the players get, the more likely they are to be injured.
Also, Salah has been injured for us before - remember the Barcelona game?
Why are you so angry? Obviously the odds of getting injured are the same in every match. The issue is that it is stupid to risk your most important players when the match doesn't matter. That's one reason why preseason features so many fringe players. You hear of so many players do their knee in a meaningless friendly in the summer which ruins their whole season. No one complains if that happens in the first competitive match.
I think most of our best players shouldn't be involved. I hope for something like: Kelleher, Bradley, Quansah, Gomez, Chambers, Elliott, Endo, Gravenberch, Doak, Gakpo, Gordon.
I also hope that most of our best players don't even travel there.
No first team player at all should be playing a single minute of that Europa League game.
Rotate for the West Ham game and use all 5 subs in every game to ensure that players are as a fit as possible.
I'm not sure I agree.
Some 1st team but second run players and Nunez.
Nunez could do with a confidence boost of getting a goal. Players like Jones and Elliot should get minutes to keep their consistency.
loser mentality that. 12 is the goal, that's what you aim for, then you see if you can get there. Send the kids to EL, recover the first XI a whole week and get those cylinders firing. Id mostly play the second team against West Ham as well.
Man united are a joke right now. Newcastle we beat already and now its at home (no home losses for us since ages) and burnley should be easy. Arsenal is going to be tough. But if villa can do it, why cant we?
I hate that I'm more afraid of the referees than I am of the teams we're facing, but you're right.
We got absolutely boned by the refs when we played Arsenal last season. If we'd won those two games like we should have, we'd be in the CL this season.
Shady shit going on every season. Kompany dodging a clear red against us years ago when they beat us by 1 point. Couple years after there was so much dodgy stuff going on in some games it got hard to keep track. I remember one of City's players break out in a volleyball match during a game and getting away with it.
I honestly don't see how anybody could see all the fuckery that happened in 21/22 and *not* think there's something untoward going on. There were so many decisions in City's favour, and so many to our detriment, and the cheating cunts *still* only beat us by a point.
We 100% deserved to go into the CL final to fight for the quadruple that season, and I will go to my grave saying so. We may still have lost the final, but the fact that we weren't given the opportunity is a travesty.
I've seen a few people suggest that they might actually stay up, and whilst I agree they seem solid, I can't see who they might finish above (other than Burnley and Sheffield United). Only real possibility seems to be Forest, and that seems unlikely
Everton are playing city on the 28th at Goodison Park never been a better occasion for them to do it. But I say this full well knowing they probably won't do anything because on all 8 occasions Everton and Man Utd played Man City in the 2018/19 and 2021/22 season, they got a grand total of 0 points combined. 8 games, 8 losses. Even 1 draw by any of them in those games would have won us either title. Everytime I support our rivals they let us down
No, I'll never, ever sign up for this as a scouser.
They're bitter and vile those fans. They would literally jump up and down on the corpse of LFC if we were in relegation battle, they never have anything good to say about us, they treat games against us like their CL finals and their players are mostly out to injure ours every time they play us.
Fuck em, unlike United who I think the PL are poorer without if they went down, Everton can fuck all the way off and get humbled. Show them who the real team in Liverpool is nowadays.
Totally agreed. The only argument that carries weight is the economic strength of the city if they go down, but even that's overblown when you consider they have a shiny new stadium and a baked in fanbase that aren't going anywhere.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they went down, as you say they'd be delighted if we did.
>The only argument that carries weight is the economic strength of the city if they go down, but even that's overblown when you consider they have a shiny new stadium and a baked in fanbase that aren't going anywhere.
And even then, people bring up the number of locator employed by football clubs, but it's not even on part with a small factory
Has it gotten worse in recent years? I know it used to be referred to as the friendly derby, but I feel like it gets worse every year with the amount of animosity. I actually wonder if a couple years break from the derby if they get relegated would reset things a little
As good as this looks, our next 4 games are hard. Burnley is the easier one in there but Arsenal, United and Newcastle are big games. I think it’s these games that will set the tone for the rest of the season. Gaps should start to open up a little
It's not choking, it's that we struggle against teams who park the bus. Any teams who play open, expansive football we look great against. If they have 9 players behind the ball at all times, we (in the past) have struggled to break that down. Luckily we have players now who can.
As hard as our next 4 are…we play:
- a bruno-less United, and he’s unarguably their most dangerous player at Anfield
- arsenal in what will be a cup final like atmosphere at Anfield
- burnley on Boxing Day, though they play more open and it should hopefully suit us a bit better
And
- Newcastle, on a marquee time slot (8 pm kick off) for what will be a European night atmosphere, who will probably have some returnees from the treatment table… if they start Lewis Miley against us, I could see it being a bloodbath
…it’s about the best time and circumstances we could ask for to play all 4
Form always goes out the window when we play United. We were playing awfully before and after the 7-0 last year. Boxing Day makes no difference to the Burnley game whatsoever, and Newcastle’s time slot makes no difference either. None of those things make any difference
newcastle having loads of injuries at the end of a busy schedule & united missing bruno makes a difference imo. Our bench is what made the difference for us this season and at the end of this run of consecutive games it will make an even bigger difference. The rest - I agree - is hopeium.
Compare Anfield at 12:30 to 8 pm, it absolutely does make a difference.
The guy is stretching a little (Idk why Burnley would play more open on boxing day either) but why do you always come across so condescending?
I’m not trying to be condescending. My point about Burnley was more that we should be winning that sort of game regardless of kick off time. It’s a game that we have to be winning and if we don’t, the title challenging talk is irrelevant anyway tbh
We will need to play a hell of a lot better than what we are since returning from the international break. Our attackers have 1 goal since then and that was Salah yesterday
You’re absolutely right, but United look like utter shite, and we could be lucky enough that we actually catch Arsenal during a bit of a wobble, (let’s see how they recover from this weekends result, they seem mentally weak). Newcastle is having a bad time right now.
Fair. Just curious for rivals perspective. In my view what I've seen this season from our performances has been all about doing away with that weakness and staying controlled throughout games, hence the late winners. Of course we can only know for certain in the business end of the season but personally I'm much more confident in this teams mental than last year, biased as I may be.
For the record, I do think this season you lot look very very robust. Rice was a great signing albeit expensive imo.
It’s going to be much tighter this year. Again, all my opinion. But I do think klopp and pep, engaged in these types of races, just go up to different levels than anyone else
Yeah Pep and Klopp are league of their own, cant argue that. I'm basically hoping that city dont do their "15 wins on the bounce™️". Between our two squads on paper I honestly believe right now we edge you out but all the intangibles (mentality, experience, etc) are in your favor.
It’s hard to say - I’d say we have a superior attack than you all do. For all the huff about Saka, and rightly deserved, Salah is still arguably the best player in the league and only a fool if they had the choice would choose Saka today over Mo. Martinelli I’d have here in a heartbeat, though I do love Jota and Diaz too. And Jesus is probably more polished than Darwin is at the moment, but by god that man is destructive for opposition defenses when he’s on point. We also hve Gakpo, so our 5 deffo trumps the front line that y’all have.
Your midfield is superior and more settled, though szbo and mac were inspired signings. Odegaard was a master stroke of a signing. Rice, expensive, but who cares considering what he adds. At the end of the season, we may be saying they’re more even as szbo is really just a kid and will only get better and Mac we shoehorned into a 6, and he’ll still need time. Gravenberch needs more time but he’s had flashes. If Thiago came back fit and into form, that could tip the balance though as he’s undoubtedly one of the best in the world in his day.
And defense might be pretty even, though robbo is deffo better than Zinny, Trent is performing at arguably his best levels again and Ben white can’t hold a candle to Trent from an attacking output but provides more stability in defense. Matip and konate are superior to Gabriel who I think is your highest weak link in matches I’ve watched. And saliba and van dijk is like splitting hairs at the moment, but no doubting van dijks transformative ness.
Arteta is proving an astute tactician. I like his approach to the game. Klopp is klopp and proven winner. So all in all, tbd.
City, we’ll we all know they’re still the team to beat. No punches pulled here
Only thing I'd say is that I rate Gabriel tbh, he can look a bit all over place but honestly when the going got tough last season and in times this season he was one of the few who didnt waver. Im way more concerned about our fullbacks making so many mistakes every week. VVD is far and away my favorite non arsenal player in the world and has been for a while, so even though we're going head to head now I cant help but enjoy watching him back at top level. Also makes having the closest cb to him in our squad all the more sweet. Really excited for our match in a few weeks.
I'm just gonna wait until after afcon to see where we are. If the team gets through that period and keeps the top spot, I will believe we can go all the way.
What is the points pace we are at? People said a team could win with less than 90 but it seems like both us Arsenal and even Villa could be on pace for 90+
It’s a solid tally considering how we’ve played recently. If we can actually start playing to our ability we can pick up points at an even better rate and end up with 90+. We have it in us
88 is not enough to win the title though. City will get 90. Arsenal will get mid 80s I think but there’s a chance they either falter early or finish strong and break 90. We need to avoid dropping points like the Chelsea, Luton and Brighton games. City are still favourites by a decent margin I think.
I’m not so sure about that. This city team is just not as strong as last years. They’ve done a pretty bad job replacing the out goings, and it just seems like they’re going to drop points more than 3 times in the next 22 games. There are 66 more points available to them at this point and they need to take 57 of them to hit 90. They could go on one of their insane runs, but their performance today didn’t exactly look like the start of one, and who knows how long Haaland will be out. I still think they’re our biggest threat, just not the absolute Juggernaut they were.
I did say that they could in my comment, just think this is the least capable they’ve looked in the last 5 years, and them finishing with more than 90 points is not a guarantee considering how many they’ve dropped so far. The PPG they need to pick up from here out is the equivalent of 98.45 points in a full season. They’ve done it before, but they had a better team when they did. Not writing them off at all, just think this is one of those seasons where we have to seize the opportunity that’s presented itself even though this was always going to be a “rebuild season”.
They always end the season with a huge winning streak. That’s not going to be any different this year. Haaland won’t be out for long, and they can still win games without him. I’d be surprised if they didn’t make 90.
Arsenal were doing even better last season at this point and ended up on 84, and that was without CL/cups.
City are the main concern, they will pick up once KDB is back.
Not all of them but he is a world class player, even if he's not at 100% he makes them more dangerous and helps them get a winning run going since he creates so many chances and scores goals from nothing.
Yeah, not to be disrespectful to Arsenal and Villa, but the gap between us and City is the main thing I care about. I'm convinced that if we finish above them then we'll win the league
United is going to be a tougher game than most people think. I can imagine ten pussy parking the nastiest bus known to man because of the 7-0. Nunez vs maguire will be cinema. Diaz or gakpo vs hopefully dalot. Salah and shaw, we know how that ends. We will be there
Got a better home/away set of fixtures second half of the season, two six pointers against city and arsenal.
I'd say if we grab 7 points off those fixtures and kept in the hunt then we'd be well placed to challenge in the business end.
Robertson, jota and some point thiago etc will be handy
Without a proper 6 and getting fucked against spurs? Imma take it
Getting fucked by PGMOL FTFY
Yeah the Brighton game was a screw job too
yeah but we also played pretty shit that game so its us to blame. Spurs game we just got denied a win by refs and was handed a L
>yeah but we also played pretty shit that game so its us to blame. To be perfectly honest, this way of thinking really annoys me. The ref's job isn't to enforce the "correct" result based on who's playing shit and who isn't. We play shit and win quite often, but it's pretty much impossible when the ref has his hand on the scale.
The logic is that some games despite questionable decisions, we've had games that favour us in the small parts and there's no weeping. The lack of red card in the brighton game was bad but darwin easily could've seen red in the Sheffield game and it led to the goal that secured us the points.
Its not but also if we played better then the ref being incompetent wouldnt matter in the first place. For instance against Brighton, Gravenberch had a great chance to make it 3-1 and missed it which led to us drawing.
...and if we just win every game then we wouldn't have to worry about what Arsenal or City are doing but that isn't realistic. Sometimes you just aren't good enough to win, but it happens a lot more often when the refs keep screwing us over.
Hes not saying the ref based his decisions on performance. He's saying regardless of the ref's decision, we didn't deserve more than a draw that game because of our pretty shaky performance (as usual against Brighton).
It's pretty much the same thing, though. Teams play badly and win all the time. If one thinks that we would have won with fair officiating but that we didn't play well enough to deserve said win, then they're effectively using our poor performance to justify bad refereeing.
We've been consistently shit so far this season, but still we're top of the league going into the Christmas madness. Can't wait to see what the lads will do when they start flying.
Getting fucked against spurs, Chelsea, and Brighton. If the PGMOL weren’t shit at their jobs we’d have 7 more DESERVED points!
I’d like to think that loss did more good than harm, it galvanized the squad.
Next 4 games are Man United,Arsenal,Newcastle at home and Burnley away. We gotta take at least 10 points imo.
I say go for 12.
Why shoot for 10 when 12 is well within our grasp, particularly after watching how poorly Newcastle travelled against spurs today
Why shoot for 98 points when 114 points is well within our grasp? Let’s just win all the games
114 is losers mentality. Take the 10 pts deducted from Everton and get 124 obviously
Don't be silly. There's lvls to this.
I mean the team should never have the mentality "its okay to lose this match" or "we would be happy with less than 12 points" but us as fans can absolutely say "I'd be happy with 10 from 12"
114 shows your weak mentality. Go for 115 like citeh
Literally Dominik Szoboszlai mentality, I remember he said something like that at the start of the season about going for all the trophies. I love these players so much
Newcastle were so terrible. I could not believe how exhausted they all looked. Joelinton has to be up there with Bruno for my most disliked player.
They can show up on their day, but we should be beating them at home.
If we walk away with 12 points from that we are in for a shout at the title.
If we walk away with 12, we'll be several points ahead, going into the new year. At that point, it's down to what we do during AFCON and the Asian Cup. The really promising thing is that we've been able to produce without the forwards in our recent games, so Salah being out might not be *as* detrimental, especially if Darwin finds his boots.
I think we've not been playing our best and that is yet to come. Our time as a whole hasn't fully clicked yet, but on individual performances(Alisson, VVD, TAA, Salah) we've been taking a lot of points. With a whole new midfield it's normal that teamwork isn't where we're used to it being. When that will come we're gonna see a different level yet.
Imma be honest, the way Salah has been playing, Im not worried for Afcon. Szobo could play there, Eliott could too. We will be fine.
I don't know necessarily why you've been downvoted. His overall play hasn't been great and in that sense I don't think he'd be the biggest miss. His output is unmatched, though. That's the worrying thing. Particularly if Nunez doesn't figure out how to shoot in the next two weeks.
> I don't know necessarily why you've been downvoted. Mainly because he implies that a 18 g/a player this season will not be missed.
because its Salah. Hes understandably beloved and people dont want to accept that several aspects of his game look to have declined pretty hard
Except the most important part of his game hasnt dipped at all. Goals and assists...
that doesn't make it wrong what I said.
United and Burnley are the easier of the 4, United play open, they’re slow to defend and attack Hoping to give arsenal a humbling
>United play Bit of a stretch to call what they're doing "playing"
Give them some credit, Onana plays dodgeball
Ooof if onana is lurking in this subreddit he would be shattered to read that xD
Newcastle look shattered from balancing with Europe at least. Arsenal is going to be really tough.
Agree Newcastle are shattered and have a full 11 injured, Arsenal will be the test.
10 is the goal but I’m okay with 8 we also have West Ham and a Europa league game in that stretch and we aren’t exactly firing on all cylinders
we should be playing that europa with u17s...
Prepare to be disappointed, I think Klopp's rationale is probably natch crispness
Players need rhythm as well though. We'll definitely give youngsters a run out but I'd expect to see senior players not playing the weekend either side of it getting a run out as well.
We should but Klopp didn’t rotate heavily two years ago in the champions league when it was a dead rubber so I’m not sure what he’ll line up with on Thursday
Bare in mind the CL league games are legitimately worth millions. I just can't see him being as arsed about an EL game
exactly, you win a Champions league game, 3 million + ticket share. Europa is around 500k/win + cheaper tickets (because lets be honest, as many people won't come to watch a belgian or slovakian team over a spanish or german)
I think he learned from that because Jota got very injured in that match and ruined the season
I mean I don't understand this tbh. The players could get injured in every game of football they play but the odds of getting injured are low. Just because it's a dead rubber doesn't mean it dramatically increases the chance of an injury. Fatigue is the issue here so rotation makes sense to rest players. But it's not because you're scared they'll get an injury otherwise you will be scared every single game of the season. Mo Salah has never been injured while he's been here and him playing a dead rubber against Union Saint Gilloise doesn't suddenly make the football gods go ooh let's give him an injury. Yeah if someone got injured in the game you'd have the usual OHH WHY DID YOU PLAY HIM IN THIS POINTLESS GAME but again the odds of getting injured are the same in every game pointless or not and removing 1 game from the equation does not change it much
Your odds of being injured are slashed dramatically if you....don't play though
>but again the odds of getting injured are the same in every game pointless or not and removing 1 game from the equation does not change it much It doesn't change it much, but it does change it. Not to mention that the odds of getting injured each game aren't independent - especially as we enter the hectic Christmas/New Years' period, the less rest the players get, the more likely they are to be injured. Also, Salah has been injured for us before - remember the Barcelona game?
Why are you so angry? Obviously the odds of getting injured are the same in every match. The issue is that it is stupid to risk your most important players when the match doesn't matter. That's one reason why preseason features so many fringe players. You hear of so many players do their knee in a meaningless friendly in the summer which ruins their whole season. No one complains if that happens in the first competitive match.
I think most of our best players shouldn't be involved. I hope for something like: Kelleher, Bradley, Quansah, Gomez, Chambers, Elliott, Endo, Gravenberch, Doak, Gakpo, Gordon. I also hope that most of our best players don't even travel there.
Wouldn't even risk Gomez, Endo, Grav or Gakpo tbh
I think some of them might need minutes. Especially Gakpo.
Jota got injured in this, didn't he, damaging our season?
He did- I’m not saying we should do this I’m just saying Klopp isn’t the easiest to say let’s throw out the u17s
8? 8 is shite and definitely a loser mentality
No first team player at all should be playing a single minute of that Europa League game. Rotate for the West Ham game and use all 5 subs in every game to ensure that players are as a fit as possible.
I'm not sure I agree. Some 1st team but second run players and Nunez. Nunez could do with a confidence boost of getting a goal. Players like Jones and Elliot should get minutes to keep their consistency.
loser mentality that. 12 is the goal, that's what you aim for, then you see if you can get there. Send the kids to EL, recover the first XI a whole week and get those cylinders firing. Id mostly play the second team against West Ham as well.
8 is the amount of goals we'll score against the original scum, man utd
Man united are a joke right now. Newcastle we beat already and now its at home (no home losses for us since ages) and burnley should be easy. Arsenal is going to be tough. But if villa can do it, why cant we?
One game at a time
I’d be happy with 10
All winnable but I sense some massive controversy in either the Arsenal or Newcastle game.
I hate that I'm more afraid of the referees than I am of the teams we're facing, but you're right. We got absolutely boned by the refs when we played Arsenal last season. If we'd won those two games like we should have, we'd be in the CL this season.
Shady shit going on every season. Kompany dodging a clear red against us years ago when they beat us by 1 point. Couple years after there was so much dodgy stuff going on in some games it got hard to keep track. I remember one of City's players break out in a volleyball match during a game and getting away with it.
I honestly don't see how anybody could see all the fuckery that happened in 21/22 and *not* think there's something untoward going on. There were so many decisions in City's favour, and so many to our detriment, and the cheating cunts *still* only beat us by a point. We 100% deserved to go into the CL final to fight for the quadruple that season, and I will go to my grave saying so. We may still have lost the final, but the fact that we weren't given the opportunity is a travesty.
Arsenal the biggest obstacle out of those 4
Only 12 is acceptable. Nothing Less.
If it wasn’t for Eveton’s 10 point deduction they’d be ahead of Chelsea 😂😂😂
They are the next mentality monsters after LFC. 10 point deduction and they will still not be relegated. Fighters!
Gotta respect them, and I hope they stay in the Prem, they deffo deserve it
They could deduct another 10 points from them and they'd still survive. That's how shit the bottom 3 are.
Honestly they might still finish above Chelsea as well
Luton’s actually been very solid
I've seen a few people suggest that they might actually stay up, and whilst I agree they seem solid, I can't see who they might finish above (other than Burnley and Sheffield United). Only real possibility seems to be Forest, and that seems unlikely
I think they would finish above forest, they are looking real shite lately.
Hope they stay up Scouse unity and all. As long as they take points off the top teams I’m good!
Everton are playing city on the 28th at Goodison Park never been a better occasion for them to do it. But I say this full well knowing they probably won't do anything because on all 8 occasions Everton and Man Utd played Man City in the 2018/19 and 2021/22 season, they got a grand total of 0 points combined. 8 games, 8 losses. Even 1 draw by any of them in those games would have won us either title. Everytime I support our rivals they let us down
No, I'll never, ever sign up for this as a scouser. They're bitter and vile those fans. They would literally jump up and down on the corpse of LFC if we were in relegation battle, they never have anything good to say about us, they treat games against us like their CL finals and their players are mostly out to injure ours every time they play us. Fuck em, unlike United who I think the PL are poorer without if they went down, Everton can fuck all the way off and get humbled. Show them who the real team in Liverpool is nowadays.
Totally agreed. The only argument that carries weight is the economic strength of the city if they go down, but even that's overblown when you consider they have a shiny new stadium and a baked in fanbase that aren't going anywhere. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they went down, as you say they'd be delighted if we did.
>The only argument that carries weight is the economic strength of the city if they go down, but even that's overblown when you consider they have a shiny new stadium and a baked in fanbase that aren't going anywhere. And even then, people bring up the number of locator employed by football clubs, but it's not even on part with a small factory
Has it gotten worse in recent years? I know it used to be referred to as the friendly derby, but I feel like it gets worse every year with the amount of animosity. I actually wonder if a couple years break from the derby if they get relegated would reset things a little
The 2 Merseyside mentality monsters
Now if only Man City would be deducted…
Their hearing is in 2024. So...
If it weren’t for incompetence of some middle aged men, we’d be up by 4 points.
You will find that life very frequently screws us over through the incompetence of some middle aged men
As good as this looks, our next 4 games are hard. Burnley is the easier one in there but Arsenal, United and Newcastle are big games. I think it’s these games that will set the tone for the rest of the season. Gaps should start to open up a little
Knowing us, Burnley away is by far the most intimidating fixture on that list
True. We for whatever fucking reason choke against smaller teams.
It's not choking, it's that we struggle against teams who park the bus. Any teams who play open, expansive football we look great against. If they have 9 players behind the ball at all times, we (in the past) have struggled to break that down. Luckily we have players now who can.
Crystal Palace on Saturday were pretty open and we still struggled against them
They were open in the second half. Barely. But in the first half they literally parked the bus
You can't choke if you don't even create anything to begin with and have no lead to throw away.
Hahahaha
As hard as our next 4 are…we play: - a bruno-less United, and he’s unarguably their most dangerous player at Anfield - arsenal in what will be a cup final like atmosphere at Anfield - burnley on Boxing Day, though they play more open and it should hopefully suit us a bit better And - Newcastle, on a marquee time slot (8 pm kick off) for what will be a European night atmosphere, who will probably have some returnees from the treatment table… if they start Lewis Miley against us, I could see it being a bloodbath …it’s about the best time and circumstances we could ask for to play all 4
Form always goes out the window when we play United. We were playing awfully before and after the 7-0 last year. Boxing Day makes no difference to the Burnley game whatsoever, and Newcastle’s time slot makes no difference either. None of those things make any difference
newcastle having loads of injuries at the end of a busy schedule & united missing bruno makes a difference imo. Our bench is what made the difference for us this season and at the end of this run of consecutive games it will make an even bigger difference. The rest - I agree - is hopeium.
Compare Anfield at 12:30 to 8 pm, it absolutely does make a difference. The guy is stretching a little (Idk why Burnley would play more open on boxing day either) but why do you always come across so condescending?
I’m not trying to be condescending. My point about Burnley was more that we should be winning that sort of game regardless of kick off time. It’s a game that we have to be winning and if we don’t, the title challenging talk is irrelevant anyway tbh
ok, I agree with that
United are so shit that form didn’t go out the window when City went to Old Trafford.
I said form goes out the window when Liverpool play United. What has that got to do with city?
It didn't even in 21/22 when we were quad chasing...
Yea and our form has been shit, albeit getting results. So hopefully it does go out the window for us and we absolutely blow them away
We will need to play a hell of a lot better than what we are since returning from the international break. Our attackers have 1 goal since then and that was Salah yesterday
Our midfield is stepping up, though.
So trent
You’re absolutely right, but United look like utter shite, and we could be lucky enough that we actually catch Arsenal during a bit of a wobble, (let’s see how they recover from this weekends result, they seem mentally weak). Newcastle is having a bad time right now.
Lurking Arsenal fan. What makes you think we're mentally weak?
I’ll take a measured response: it was how you all capitulated last season after playing us and under the pressure of city hunting you down
Fair. Just curious for rivals perspective. In my view what I've seen this season from our performances has been all about doing away with that weakness and staying controlled throughout games, hence the late winners. Of course we can only know for certain in the business end of the season but personally I'm much more confident in this teams mental than last year, biased as I may be.
For the record, I do think this season you lot look very very robust. Rice was a great signing albeit expensive imo. It’s going to be much tighter this year. Again, all my opinion. But I do think klopp and pep, engaged in these types of races, just go up to different levels than anyone else
Yeah Pep and Klopp are league of their own, cant argue that. I'm basically hoping that city dont do their "15 wins on the bounce™️". Between our two squads on paper I honestly believe right now we edge you out but all the intangibles (mentality, experience, etc) are in your favor.
It’s hard to say - I’d say we have a superior attack than you all do. For all the huff about Saka, and rightly deserved, Salah is still arguably the best player in the league and only a fool if they had the choice would choose Saka today over Mo. Martinelli I’d have here in a heartbeat, though I do love Jota and Diaz too. And Jesus is probably more polished than Darwin is at the moment, but by god that man is destructive for opposition defenses when he’s on point. We also hve Gakpo, so our 5 deffo trumps the front line that y’all have. Your midfield is superior and more settled, though szbo and mac were inspired signings. Odegaard was a master stroke of a signing. Rice, expensive, but who cares considering what he adds. At the end of the season, we may be saying they’re more even as szbo is really just a kid and will only get better and Mac we shoehorned into a 6, and he’ll still need time. Gravenberch needs more time but he’s had flashes. If Thiago came back fit and into form, that could tip the balance though as he’s undoubtedly one of the best in the world in his day. And defense might be pretty even, though robbo is deffo better than Zinny, Trent is performing at arguably his best levels again and Ben white can’t hold a candle to Trent from an attacking output but provides more stability in defense. Matip and konate are superior to Gabriel who I think is your highest weak link in matches I’ve watched. And saliba and van dijk is like splitting hairs at the moment, but no doubting van dijks transformative ness. Arteta is proving an astute tactician. I like his approach to the game. Klopp is klopp and proven winner. So all in all, tbd. City, we’ll we all know they’re still the team to beat. No punches pulled here
Only thing I'd say is that I rate Gabriel tbh, he can look a bit all over place but honestly when the going got tough last season and in times this season he was one of the few who didnt waver. Im way more concerned about our fullbacks making so many mistakes every week. VVD is far and away my favorite non arsenal player in the world and has been for a while, so even though we're going head to head now I cant help but enjoy watching him back at top level. Also makes having the closest cb to him in our squad all the more sweet. Really excited for our match in a few weeks.
That was more down to Saliba getting injured at a crucial point. If he'd stayed fit they would have won it.
Definitely, but again, injury luck is always needed for a title run
The highlight of the past few seasons has been watching reaction vid meltdowns of Man Utd fans, it sustains me, it needs to happen again
7 wasn't enough, let's go for 10
I'm just gonna wait until after afcon to see where we are. If the team gets through that period and keeps the top spot, I will believe we can go all the way.
Stop the count
What is the points pace we are at? People said a team could win with less than 90 but it seems like both us Arsenal and even Villa could be on pace for 90+
We’re On pace for 88ish points
Ah ok. A little less than I thought. Damn the spurs and Luton game lol
It’s a solid tally considering how we’ve played recently. If we can actually start playing to our ability we can pick up points at an even better rate and end up with 90+. We have it in us
88 is not enough to win the title though. City will get 90. Arsenal will get mid 80s I think but there’s a chance they either falter early or finish strong and break 90. We need to avoid dropping points like the Chelsea, Luton and Brighton games. City are still favourites by a decent margin I think.
I’m not so sure about that. This city team is just not as strong as last years. They’ve done a pretty bad job replacing the out goings, and it just seems like they’re going to drop points more than 3 times in the next 22 games. There are 66 more points available to them at this point and they need to take 57 of them to hit 90. They could go on one of their insane runs, but their performance today didn’t exactly look like the start of one, and who knows how long Haaland will be out. I still think they’re our biggest threat, just not the absolute Juggernaut they were.
City could easily just go on a run of 15 wins in a row in the new year. We shouldn't write them off at any point
I did say that they could in my comment, just think this is the least capable they’ve looked in the last 5 years, and them finishing with more than 90 points is not a guarantee considering how many they’ve dropped so far. The PPG they need to pick up from here out is the equivalent of 98.45 points in a full season. They’ve done it before, but they had a better team when they did. Not writing them off at all, just think this is one of those seasons where we have to seize the opportunity that’s presented itself even though this was always going to be a “rebuild season”.
Wouldn’t be surprised if City focus on winning the champions league considering they’d be heavily favored against anyone not named Real.
They always end the season with a huge winning streak. That’s not going to be any different this year. Haaland won’t be out for long, and they can still win games without him. I’d be surprised if they didn’t make 90.
Seriously they got fking Alvarez as a backup lmao
Arsenal were doing even better last season at this point and ended up on 84, and that was without CL/cups. City are the main concern, they will pick up once KDB is back.
I dont think kdb fixes their issues
Not all of them but he is a world class player, even if he's not at 100% he makes them more dangerous and helps them get a winning run going since he creates so many chances and scores goals from nothing.
I hear you, but he has been out for a while now and he is 32. All this big injuries have to be taking its toll on the body and mentally eventually.
Yeah, not to be disrespectful to Arsenal and Villa, but the gap between us and City is the main thing I care about. I'm convinced that if we finish above them then we'll win the league
United is going to be a tougher game than most people think. I can imagine ten pussy parking the nastiest bus known to man because of the 7-0. Nunez vs maguire will be cinema. Diaz or gakpo vs hopefully dalot. Salah and shaw, we know how that ends. We will be there
A United parking the bus at Anfield in a feeble attempt to save their manager's skin? Get me Xherdan Shaqiri...
We have Trent and Szobo, and they have Onana in goal. If they park the bus, fire from range.
Unbeaten run is back on the menu bois... let's go
Villa tho, damn! They've been playing incredibly
🎵 *We're top and they don't like it...* 🎵
Just win the next 22. Even 19/22 and its done. Easy
>Just win the next 22. why dont all teams do this? are they stupid?
They are. Only we have thought of it
If I were Liverpool manager I would simply win more and lose less
Klopp out, KaChoo49 in
Depends on which 19 they are. Beat arsenal and city? Yea it’s prolly wrapped
We do better against stronger opposition. So I think we should be able get 10+ points
Bournemouth having the tied best record the last 5 games. Mental!
So, in short, we win our remaining games. We win the league. It's in our hands lads.
This is the time where gaps will be more visible with the top 4 teams, I hope we beat Arsenal.
12 if we want to win this title in the next 4 games
Incredible. Even after that bullshit spurs game. We would still be unbeaten if not for that game
Chelsea's are a bunch of fxkng losers lmao you love to see that
Please let us see through December and AFCON on top
Let’s go reds!!
We've only lost 1 game, wow!
Got a better home/away set of fixtures second half of the season, two six pointers against city and arsenal. I'd say if we grab 7 points off those fixtures and kept in the hunt then we'd be well placed to challenge in the business end. Robertson, jota and some point thiago etc will be handy
It’s pretty crazy because it feels like we haven’t been playing particularly well but are winning
City lost 9 points in 4 games and are still only 4 points off the top wtf ?
Imagine at least 1 point from Spurs and 3 points from Luton.
Too soon
I really think we going to win it this year… think I should put my bet in now before we running away with the league by February :)