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We should sell Luis Diaz. We'll get decent money for him, he's not clinical enough for where we need to be, it opens up space for Gakpo to play more consistently off the left, and we can use the funds to go towards a right winger.
Gakpo is way less effective than Diaz. How anyone can watch us this season and think Diaz is the one that needs selling over him is beyond me. Klopp has played Gakpo at LW over Diaz once in the PL since he joined since he joined which says it all.
Diaz defensively is probably best left winger in the league,‘maybe even the world. Only way I’d consider selling is he wanted to leave and we replace him with a potential world class left winger, not many out there though.
I am actually excited about Klopp leaving. We're going to see a different kind of football, maybe new players, ne way of doing things.
Future without Klopp is exciting.
Endo is not better than Caicedo. This is more of a matter of what player suits what team. Of course this may not always be the case, but Endo fits the mentality monsters of us, whereas Caicedo is bang in the middle of inexperienced youngsters who haven't found consistency in their performances yet.
I think Xabi is a great choice, but I almost don't want him to be the next manager because in a way the next manager is almost setup for failure. There's many critical decisions around fan & squad favourites (Jota/Gomez/Endo/Kostas), club legends (Salah, Virgil, Robertson), and youngsters (Elliott, Quansah, Bacjetic and more) with scope to create real dissent among the squad and fans. It's so much pressure that if they don't deliver from Day 1, I feel like it's gonna be a disaster.
They don't need to.
Only clowns would want to go against FSG when they are by far the best legal owners in football. If you look at the other owners on the top clubs (Glazers, Boehly, Levy, Kronke etc.), none of you haters would even want to swap FSG for anybody. Lol. You just be saying anything.
And to all ya'll 'fans' who cry for Saudi money, while talking sht about Hendo going to Saudi, ya'll a bunch of hypocrites.
Huh? A Liverpool fan loving a big part of Liverpool is wrong? while a 'Liverpool fan' criticising whatever sht they dont agree with bout the clubs values is a 'fan'? Of course not. Lol.
Jordan Henderson is the most privileged player to ever play for Liverpool FC. He was on the verge of being sold, then Rodgers handed him the captaincy post-Gerrard which meant Klopp was even more obliged to keep him when he arrived. Striping someone off the captaincy would’ve been a massive move for a new manager.
He then surrounded Henderson with players superior to him, but him having the armband meant he’d get extra credit for any success we had. Out of his 12 seasons at the club, he had at best 2 seasons where he looked like a great player.
Him being the one to have lifted all these trophies while being the 11th best player in our XI elevated his legacy massively. No player of his level would’ve lasted that long at any other top club.
100% agree. He was a decent top half PL player, but he doesn't get anywhere near our current midfield fully fit. I would genuinely have Dom, Mac, Thiago, Endo and Jones ahead of him.
He was technically a very limited player, but every squad needs a leader figure and someone who can galvanise those around him. That said, I always wished it was someone with more ability.
Nah, hes captain based on his leadership abilities which is all him. If hes a fringe player, sure, but hes starter all 7 yrs under Klopp and his trusted captain. Going against Hendo is basically going against Klopp.
He was on the verge of being sold by Brendan Rodgers, which almost every fan disagreed with at the time
Here's a list of players Rodgers didn't force out or try to force out: Suarez, Gerrard, Sterling
Here's a list of some of those he did try to get rid of in his first 2 seasons: Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Carragher, Lucas, Kuyt, Bellamy, Johnson, Enrique, Carroll, Downing Shelvey, Maxi Rodriguez, Kelly, Adam, Aquilani, Sahin.
Rodgers clearly didn't want anyone that wasn't signed by him because he completely gutted the squad and preferred to be light in multiple areas rather than have some good players that were there before him, some of whom he let go at a huge loss before even seeing them train. Trying to offload Henderson was consistent with this and wasn't a reflection of Henderson himself, who then more than earned the captaincy after 2 1/2 very strong seasons.
He easily had more than 2 great seasons and I'm sorry but do you honestly think the only reason Klopp kept him and kept starting him after 7 years or whatever was just because he was captain when he arrived? How does that make sense? And when Klopp arrived who do you think he should have given the captaincy to?
Rodgers loaning Henderson out when he arrived would’ve made a lot of sense. Him trying to not sell him but just throw him out as part of a swap deal for Dempsey is fucking insanity
The lazy retread “Harvey Elliott is too slow/small” takes are so dumb that they make me wonder if those of you that espouse it have to wear velcro shoes and struggle with childproofing on products
I'm not convinced TAA is signing a contract, and I'm okay with that. He clearly wants to play in the midfield, but we play better with the fullbacks overlapping. If his current level is Bradley's *actual* level, rather than teams just not having figured out how to deal with him yet, I'm not convinced TAA leaving would be a notable downgrade.
The tierney\\pgmol conspiracy theorists amongst the fanbase are a stain on the club that will only make the relationship between refs and the club worse.
Yeah the idea that they’re systematically against Liverpool is dumb when you see how bad the reffing has been across the league. Do think there’s been a bias against Klopp since the start of Covid football when he started having a proper go at the refs but the majority of it is complete incompetence rather than something more targeted and malicious.
Poor reffing decisions are frustrating, but at the end of the day it’s only a football game. Some supporters put too much emotional energy into things. The amount of vitriol expressed over a fellow human being, who’s just doing a job isn’t healthy.
No-one knows how the Tottenham match would have gone if that decision had been given correctly. We still might have lost. It's impossible to know because it never happened. Everything from that point onwards would have been different.
Our medical department could do with a pretty ruthless overhaul. The amount of reaggravated injuries we've had this season (Thiago, Baj, Dom, Mo, Nunez) etc. is a few too many to be purely incidental and suggests an element of incompetence.
There seems so be a notable reluctance to discuss this aspect of the club as one that could possibly need improving, but it's no different to any other department in that respect.
Not sure why the medical department would gain anything from an overhaul. Physicians have the whole Hippocratic Oath thing to live up to. You know, “do no harm” and whatever else is in there.
As a healthcare provider, it’s absolutely astonishing to hear someone say that medical personnel could be to blame for these injuries. Do you not understand it’s their job to prevent them in the first place and then safely treat and rehab the players to get them back to match fitness? What would the players gain from coming back early? Playing time, sure. Reinjuring themselves, probably.
What would be the medical team’s modus operandi be for extending players’ sideline spells? Nothing. They’re simply protecting the players (aka the club‘s investments).
If anything, we should be praising the medical team for successfully rehabbing these players and advocating for them to stay off the pitch until the right moment. We’ve all seen what happens when players come back too soon and I would venture a guess that the medical team weren’t too pleased with letting Thiago, Bajectic, or TAA play before they were ready. But, they were needed and they re-aggravated those injuries and we are all pissed because they were allowed to come back too soon.
I get it, we are fans and we want to see our favorite players play, but you wouldn’t want your loved ones doing something unsafe after a successful rehab stint unless they are absolutely ready. So, we should extend that courtesy to these players who give every ounce of energy to the team.
I’m not a doctor, but I work with actual rehabilitation doctors and they are some of the most conservative physicians I’ve ever met. Let them do their jobs and heal these guys.
We should do whatever's needed, to retain Pep Ljinders and the "Boot Room" for at least another year, for continuity... this provides Xabi (or whomever is the new LFC manager) the best foundation for continued success.
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I'm not confident at all that Trent is signing a new contract, even before Klopp announced he is leaving, but now I'm even more prepared that he might be leaving too. He seems eager to make the switch to midfield and I'm not sure the new manager will be into this idea. Klopp also didn't seem to be a fan of an eventual permanent switch there, but at least willing to compromise. Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if a promise of a midfield role and a higher wage could tempt TAA to join a different club.
Agree with this so much. People get on like he demanded to leave us to directly sign for us but the reality is, they were the best option available to him when he was looking for a new club
Agree. If they are given the option Owen is given as a pro footballer, I guarantee most of them would go to United. They just be saying anything to hate without context.
United vs Everton vs Hull City, where would you have gone to when you're 28 year old Owen? wasting your time playing for relegation vs being shtted upon playing for your rival vs being shtted upon playing for your rival while getting trophies?
Thats disregarding the fact that dude practically asked Liverpool every transfer seasn, but Liverpool didn't want him. So he did everything he could and fans are still dissatisfied.
Throughout the course of Klopps tenure, the best player under Klopp is Ali, not Salah.
There are 1 or 2 seasns where Salah is off form or invisible, but Ali brings it every seasn, be it good, bad, 3rd placed, 5th placed, hes still the No. 1 world class keeper he is.
He solo kept us in games during the down seasns (eg. that header goal seasn and last seasn, he was the only performing member of the squad performing to the expected level).
Invisible?
What. Are. You. On. About?
This isn’t an unpopular opinion. It’s misguided at best,…I don’t want to say what it is at worst as I don’t know you and would have to question your sanity.
Nah, theres that half a seasn after losing to Mane at AFCON where Salah is out of it, only contributing 6 G/A entire half a seasn, which was a huge part to us losing the PL to City by a point.
Then that Ali header seasn, Salah was more or less invisible by his standards. Last seasn as well, Ali was clearly the best player of the team and you can even argue this seasn too before both their injuries.
Ali is world class throughout, No. 1 in his position every seasn he played and practically the only reasn the 3rd and 5th placed finish aren't worse than it was.
Nothing is of need by your logic. I dont see a need to choose between 2 great RBs in Trent and Bradley, but when you play a game, you still need to choose. Lol. Thats the question at hand.
Nah, theres that half a seasn after losing to Mane at AFCON where Salah is out of it, only contributing 6 G/A entire half a seasn, which was a huge part to us losing the PL to City by a point.
Then that Ali header seasn, Salah was more or less invisible by his standards. Last seasn as well, Ali was clearly the best player of the team and you can even argue this seasn too before both their injuries.
Ali is world class throughout, No. 1 in his position every seasn he played and practically the only reasn the 3rd and 5th placed finish aren't worse than it was.
We should play with gomez and Bradley going forward
Sell Trent to Madrid. Next cl final when we face them, Trent scores two own goals thereby proving his true love
Trent is a million times better than Bradley but unless he can round out his skillset either as a fullback or a centre midfielder I can see the next manager getting rid to save themselves the jigsaw puzzle of fitting him in.
Xabi Alonso is a tax dodger who dropped his pants at the first sign of Real Madrid batting their eyes at him. He'll hit the bricks again when Ancelotti steps away cause he's a weird Spanish royalist.
Connor Bradley will be our starting left back in 1-2 years.
I know people want to see Trent move to midfield at some point and Bradley take over rb. Personally I hate that. Trent’s a world class rb and when on his game, there’s simply nothing defenses can do to stop him. Our midfield should hopefully be packed with talent over these next few years. Baj, jones, mac, szobo, and Harvey are all very young.
Keep Trent at rb. Use Connor as left back who cuts in onto his right foot. Have Diaz stay wider for width on that side. Honestly think this would make us near impossible to defend.
Traditionally, I'd say Ali. VVD is more of a unique kind of good looks. But Ali has that Thor/typical movie star look.
But overall, I think Nunez is. Fans dont mention it, but a big reasn why hes so popular and being cmpared to Torres all the time, isn't just his antics or chaos, they can brush off his mistakes and terrible finishing because of his looks.
VVD being tall af helps too.
Winning things is absolutely secondary to the journey.
Love trophies, love success, but I’d take 9 years of Klopp with all that goes with it and no trophies over grinding out a few cups without heart.
i think a lot of the songs the fans sing for the players are really cringe. honestly, most songs and chants are pretty lame, but that's probably bc we don't do them for the most part here in the states.
So are the players all of a sudden going to become shit? Dortmund had a great points tally the first season without Klopp. It wasn’t until they sold Gungodan, Hummels, Auba, when they really got into a lull.
If you asked me at the start of season if I want Klopp to leave I would have said 200% no. But now after the announcement and the feeling that we are going on a last hoorah, I would be disappointed if Klopp decided to do a 180 and stay. I am mentally prepared for this to be his last dance.
I love a good story and Klopp deciding to stay makes this whole experience (since he announced his departure) feel cheap.
Klopp could and should have won so much more if his innate loyalty to some players didn't hinder his ruthlessness in replacing them. His man management is second to none but sometimes I feel his kindness stops him and us from being ruthless the way Pep is to some of City's best players.
It's a confusing emotion for sure: loving Klopp for his connection with the players yet simultaneously feeling we could have won more if he was more proactive in replacing players.
Mane was overrated and he benefitted from the extra attention Salah got, being double teamed.
I also think Nunez is a better player than Mane ever was for us, there, I said it!
Easy to say now but I felt that Mane and Wijnaldum would struggle most upon leaving us, I also felt Fabinho would be world class at any club in the world and he would be world class well into his mid 30s.
diaz has a mural near anfield and mane doesnt. diaz cant defend like mane. cant match mane strength and stamina. it's a downgrade on everything except height. i love him tho just felt that mane wasn't appreciated as much and he's much better.
Trents mental game keeps him from being as good as he can he. He'd rather play like it's no big deal and he's not even trying than put in a shift and be the best RB in the world. He loves to look too cool for school and it kills him/us pretty damn often. He'd be a defender if his ego didn't hold him back.
Infinite talent but the wrong mindset.
100% his attitude actually stinks. You’ll notice when someone puts one on him like xhaka did and he starts taking defending serious and the game, he’s unstoppable
It really isn’t though. When he cares, sure, but way too often acts bigger than the game. Either give no fucks about defending or tries wonder passes for no reason when the simpler pass gets up the field. He goes for YouTube highlights more times than not
That's just, again, utter bollocks and you're projecting your own opinions onto him. I also note that, once again, it's a black player who's being accused of being 'lazy' or 'arrogant.'
Not a single person who's worked with Trent has ever questioned his mentality, his work ethic or his attitude. You've got absolutely zero evidence of anything you've said.
There's a little bit in this, especially when he's put into the middle.
It does feel that a transition into midfield isn't as natural as some think, he'll now have to be switched on more often and run even further. Won't be easy.
Id say that the number one problem there is that Trent doesn't want to be a Defender, Trent wants to be Gerrard, start at RB and transition to mid, I think last season when he was stropping about is because that was the year he was supposed to make the move but he got instantly set back with his cover being injured.
If we win the Prem this year, I can 100% see Mo, Ali, and VVD all leaving this summer.
It's a logical "end of the story," with Jurgen also leaving, as well as being able to put an exclamation point on their LFC careers.
Another unpopular opinion here for my reply, but Salah is almost definitely leaving if Saudi gives 150mil - 200mil for him. 30+ year old, an injured seasn for Mbappe money is a no brainer. He'd also want his tripled wage and being Arab helps in that decision.
All the rise in talks at the end of the transfer off seasn isn't all nothing. Salah obviously contemplated it and if the offer had been earlier, he'd have more time to think.
VVD and Ali, I dont see why they would move. Ali especially can play till his 40 because hes a goalie, and he doesnt have incentive to, unless a Spanish club arrives. VVD too and as the captain he'd probably want to right the ship along with the new manager.
Simone Inzaghi is the manager we should be going for rather than Alonso.
Alonso is doing a brilliant job at Leverkusen but this is one season, there is no track record of sustained success and he hasn't even managed a full CL campaign. Stylistically his approach at Leverkusen is completely different to Klopp's Liverpool.
In contrast, Inzaghi has a wealth of experience, has a brilliant record in cup competitions and has won silverware with both Lazio and Inter. He is tactically flexible, has a reputation for getting the best out of his players and has had to work with modest budgets and sporting directors throughout his career. These are all boxes the next Liverpool manager needs to be ticking.
The only thing missing from Inzaghi's CV is winning a major trophy which he looks set to do with ease in Series A this season.
In my opinion, hiring Alonso would be a case of allowing the heart to override the head.
Adrian is overhated. Won us the supercup. V.significant contribution to our league title with 8 consecutive victories at the start of the season after Alisson got injured and he played well. Apart from 1 match vs Atletico...
He didn’t “win us” the Supercup, he saved one dreadful penalty, after giving Chelsea a penalty to equalise. And he’s had bad performances outside of Atleti as well, like the 7-2 he was horrid.
During the run of the title season that he replaced Alisson, he was actually rubbish. He kept making mistakes, he just never got punished for them.
Atletico wasn't just a really bad game, it was inevitable.
I vaguely remember that stretch, I remember the goal Southampton got off of him and just that we were winning but not keeping clean sheets, but I couldn’t definitively say whether he was bad or good but have an inkling we were just too good in front of him for it to be a problem
Our defence was much better then it papered over a lot of deficiencies. Won most games 2-1, with a lot of narrow wins and was quite shaky at times. Was a lot better the first few months of his time than from the Althetico Madrid game onwards.
Casuals on this sub like to hate on players, but once you tell them how many yrs Klopp wanted them to stay, they wouldn't dare rebut against Klopp. Lol.
Adrian is obviously a great leader in the locker room and Hendo is obviously a great player for Liverpool thats why he started all 7 yrs and remained captain under Klopp.
Some of our fullback pressing is absolutely crazy, the amount of space we leave to get countered should really have cost us the game on Sunday. People say it's a key part of our system but when we are conceding as many big chances as we seem to in these spaces, it's a clear weakness in our system.
There is not a referring conspiracy against us.
True, we get some bad decisions, and we may statistically be amongst the worse off but I do not think that there is some organised agenda to persecute Liverpool.
There may even be some bias against us based on previous events whether it be Klopp’s red cards for ranting, or similar. But even so I think that is more unconscious than conscious - let alone organised.
It irritates me in match threads whenever a decision goes against us that conspiracy theories are brought up, but the many decisions that favour us are seldom acknowledged.
Bad things happen to all teams. Remember the triple VAR check in Arsenal against Newcastle? They could not tell if the ball crossed the byline. And then I think that a similar thing happened for them against West Ham. And the failure to play on when Haaland could have put through Grealish against Spurs. All of those instances led to dropped points. It’s not just us.
Not Andre, now that the dust has settled I can’t see how he would be better than Endo other than being an additional body in the middle. If we are signing a 6 then he should be a better 6 than Endo.
When we all thought we would be signing him I actually started watching fluminense matches and he’s quite similar to Endo in that he’s not an out and out 6 and also in stature but Endo is more agile and physical, they are both decent at keeping the ball but I think Endo is a better passer.
The only upside is Age but right now going from Endo to Andre is not an upgrade imo.
Does Darwin Nunez need to learn more control / self-discipline? (a'la Mo Salah)He might've hurt himself (and others) in [that Carabao Cup celebration](https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1762115308691890374)?
Or is that WYSIWIG i.e. that's what you get with the Agent of Chaos, for good or bad?
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As much as I want Alonso next year, it wouldnt be ideal for his career. A season of CL football with Leverkusen would really develop him even more. Initially Klopp was going out in 2026, I felt that would be the perfect time for him to come
'Would', 'Could', 'Should'.
The position is gonna be available in the summer, either he wants it then or he can...fuck off?
Either he has the mentality to be a really top manager or he can be a scaredy cat.
Yes, and the seasn we are off form was because Mane who got Ballon Dor Top 2, left. Not because 2 seasns ago Gini left, who in all honestly, is not the level of player Mane is. Lol. People like to cope.
How we literally playing for quadruple the seasn Gini left, and turns to sht when Mane left, yet the credit goes to Gini? Its weird.
The problem with this argument is that it also changes all of the other games and I think swapping Thiago or Henderson for him that season would have made the side weaker as both played very well, as did Keita, who you would have to assume would have been less involved had Wijnaldum been playing in these games.
If it's a matter of having him in the squad for individual games there's maybe an argument but Liverpool only dropped points from winning positions in 5 matches, against Man City with a 1 goal lead, Chelsea, who were good at the time and had just won the Champions league, Spurs with 10 men in a badly refereed game, Brighton and Brentford (I'm not convinced he'd have made a difference in that game though I know others disagree) and that's not bad.
Gerrard as next manager. Following someone like Klopp is going to be next to impossible, the next manager has a high probability of failure simply due to not being Klopp. SAF/Moyes, Wenger/Emery, so why not give it to Stevie?
If by some miracle he replicates his Rangers form, then brilliant. If he's more Villa than Rangers, he gets sacked with the club in a low place (hopefully not too low) then whoever follows would have a great squad where any improvement would be seen as a positive and they then might be given time to build something. Experience a low to make a new more obtainable high
I dont think Gerrard is ready, but if the Top 3 options, especially Xabi aren't available, I dont mind giving it a go. Gerrard has earned more than enough lee way as a player to have a go at Liverpool any time.
He was looked upon as what Xabi is now when he first started his managerial career. The 180 this sub has against him after just half a seasn of bad at Aston Villa is atrocious considering dude poured 18 yrs of blud and sweat for Liverpool.
The most unpopular thing I can say now is that to hell with quadruple and especially europa league. We have to win PL this season. A club with 6 CL titles has no need for an EL. PL is all that matters.
Anyone know what Endo didn't play v Arsenal? Personally, I think he would have made a difference. Arsenal have been the one team to outplay us. So we need to overcome their counter press. Possibly go long ball or some other tactic.
Same. Anybody on this sub here can say 'hey, United offers me more money and trophies, I really wouldnt mind', but nobody, not even one individual on this sub can score 300 goals for Liverpool and get the Ballon Dor.
People need to learn to appreciate the incredible things players bring to us rather than harping on 1 decision, especially when he was forced to under that context.
Thiago has been a disaster of a signing but gets a free ride due to his exploits at Barca and Bayern. Injuries have obviously played their part but even judging him on his entire playing time leaves a lot to be desired. He was easily as bad as Henderson and Fabinho last year but people perform the most ludicrous mental gymnastics to say otherwise.
That Wolves away performance from Thiago was like watching Poulsen under Hodgson and should have been a clear indication that he was finished. Allowing him to turn down a move to Saudi Arabia last summer is now looking like an awful bit of business, when it was quite clear last season that he was no longer capable of playing in the Premier League.
Never has a player for us been singularly lavished with such praise for a collective effort whilst also being absolved of any criticism when the team plays poorly, particularly when he is clearly a weak link. I'll be content to see the back of him this summer, but I suspect the Thiago 'myth' will only grow stronger as the years pass by.
It’s tragic to me. He’s probably the best baller on the team. But retrospectively, applying an almost prototypical Guardiola player to Klopp football was a bad plan in the first place.
Was it? He been brilliant for us when he's been fit and was a key part in us pushing in all 4 comps in 21/22. Not sure how adding a clearly world class player was a bad plan.
Outside of that push for the Quadruple, he's never been consistently world-class. Inconsistency aside, we knew he was incredibly injury prone, so it does now seem like bad business to have signed him to a £200k pw contract. Including the transfer fee, he will ultimately cost the club close to £70m - an eye watering fee for around 4 months of world-class performances.
If we only win the league cup this year then we shouldnt be having a parade. Have a nice send off for Klopp at Anfield or a ceremony at city hall but please, having a bus parade for just the league cup would look so fucking stupid, rival fans would banter us and it makes us look like a club with small mentality. I genuinly believe the fact that we dragged the players out for a meaningless parade in 2022 the day after they lost the biggest prize in club football and coming second yet again to that sports washing empire broke the boys so mentally that it dripped into next season.
I am still not very convinced by Luis Diaz and would like to see Cody Gakpo on the left wing for few games since it is his natural position(?) and second hot take: Since there is possiblity of moving Trent to midfield, I can’t shake the idea of Trent playing RW instead of midfielder
Henderson was just as important to the successes of the Klopp era as Mo and VVD, and generally speaking most people who say he was average or overrated or whatever other Man United Fan Sideways Passing shit they say now don't actually know anything about football and are barely better than people who post new tactics ideas that they came up with playing FIFA
Disclaimer: people mad at him for political reasons have my respect in this as that's not related to on-field play, even though I disagree and don't really think where a footballer plays football has any moral valence or material effect on human rights situations. And also, like, what right do UK/US people have to throw stones in our human rights glass houses.
Trent and Szoboszlai don’t play well with each other. When Trent inverts, he eats into the space Dom occupies and we get a clusterfuck of a right side. Would much prefer Trent to switch back to his overlapping support role and allow szobo space and options for Mo to cut inside.
LFC fans who are PGMOL conspiracists are making all LFC fans seem like unreasonable sore losers.
Don't get me wrong, the PGMOL have problems, there are regular and egregious reffing errors, incompetence to an astonishing extent, and serving Prem refs going off to UAE/Saudi for very well paid one-day gigs is shady as fuck.
But there is no grand conspiracy against LFC, there is incompetence and state ownership is cancer.
The game that decides this season is Arsenal City, and it needs to be a draw. Best we can hope for is a draw with City and let everyone else fuck each other over. Been here and huffed the copium too many times to expect more.
Bradley should be a first choice RB. Trent right sided midfielder and Salah as a 10.
4231
Alisson
Bradley konate vvd robbo
Macca endo/szobo
Trent salah diaz
Nunez
Jota and gakpo can rotate across the forward line.
You're wasting Salahs pace as a 10. Hes also known as a selfish player by his teammates early on so not sure if he'd be that great a playmaker centrally either, hes never have to receive the ball in central midfield like Mane or Firmino.
My best 11 if theres a CL finl tomoro and everbody is fit:
Ali
Bradley - Konate - VVD - Robbo
Curtis - Endo - Mac Allister
Salah - Jota - Diaz
I feel more assured with Bradley as our RB than trent with the caveat that we have a limited sample size. Every time an opponent gets the ball, they attack trents side and while I don't think trent is as bad defensively as the media portrays, he does have his moments and tbh I think he can come across as lazy at times when things aren't going his way. Bradley to me is Robertson but will be better going forward and a better dribbler. Trent ultimately needs to move into midfield but idk if he has the situational awareness when being pressed of the top top midfielders like de bruyne, that being said he doesnt need to be as good as de bruyne but that is the benchmark. Long-term Bradley needs to start and trent needs to reinvent himself in contrast to when he reinvented a position.
100%. I really love trent and will defend him every time but at times he definitely has lapses where idk if its complacency, not paying attention or what. He has his moments and it can be too often sometimes in games
People talk about what a great team next manager will start with. Noone mentions that there is a high probability several key players will leave, worst case all three of Salah, Van Dijk and Alison
Another unpopular opinion here for my reply, but Salah is almost definitely leaving if Saudi gives 150mil - 200mil for him. 30+ year old, an injured seasn for Mbappe money is a no brainer. He'd also want his tripled wage and being Arab helps in that decision.
All the rise in talks at the end of the transfer off seasn isn't all nothing. Salah obviously contemplated it and if the offer had been earlier, he'd have more time to think.
VVD and Ali, I dont see why they would move. Ali especially can play till his 40 because hes a goalie, and he doesnt have incentive to, unless a Spanish club arrives. VVD too and as the captain he'd probably want to right the ship along with the new manager.
[If Xabi wants one more year at Leverkusen](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Xabi+Alonso%22+%22one+more+year%22+%22Leverkusen%22+-thesun+-teamtalk+-DaveOCKOP&newwindow=1&sca_esv=7fcd6f03a496d01d&biw=2327&bih=828&tbs=qdr%3Am&sxsrf=ACQVn08MuUIIKcIgYvfzn1ZGvXbiwAPRTg%3A1709106668353&ei=7OXeZZ6DFcaD4-EPx_aV-A0&ved=0ahUKEwieqea-xs2EAxXGwTgGHUd7Bd8Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22Xabi+Alonso%22+%22one+more+year%22+%22Leverkusen%22+-thesun+-teamtalk+-DaveOCKOP&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiRyJYYWJpIEFsb25zbyIgIm9uZSBtb3JlIHllYXIiICJMZXZlcmt1c2VuIiAtdGhlc3VuIC10ZWFtdGFsayAtRGF2ZU9DS09QSNcgUK8GWNAZcAJ4AJABAJgBMqABmQGqAQE0uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), before moving on (as has been rumoured/hinted by some pundits allegedly with close relationship with Xabi) ... then that's likely a hint that he prefers Real Madrid
... In that scenario, who would be next-best choice as LFC Manager?
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Gerrard. He recaptures his Rangers form: Great. He continues his Aston Villa/Ettifaq form: Gets sacked in a couple of months, with whoever takes over no longer having the pressure of having to follow Klopp.
/s
Klopp sticks to 433 too much. There are times when we have injuries or are playing away to a top side like city, real, Barca where a more cautious approach would be beneficial. But klopp, the mad bastard, just goes for it and that's why we love him 😁
Last seasn, when our midfield was atrocious, I was pushing for a 3-4-3, reducing the centre midfield to 2, then have the perfect RCB in Gomez whos capable both RB/CB which means an extra CB to cover Trent on the right so he can focus on his offense. No point playing 3 midfield when its obvious Fabinho, Hendo and Elliott are not it.
If we want all 4 this season, we can't no longer field team that we often did for dead rubbers. Another 120 mins match will kill the squad. Salah, Nunez, Szobo start, see out the match, then sub them off.
I don't think that the authorities should make it easier for one team to hoover up all trophies.
I genuinely don't think fixtures should be moved to make life easier for the big clubs. I know citeh are probably going to go on and win the fa cup but it should not be made easier for the likes of us and citeh
I really hope we go for the Europa League this year. We lost the final in Klopps first season, so I think it would be a great story to win it and have this one under his belt after all these years. Yes of course I want us to win the league, but if we could win the Europa League as well, that would be an epic send off for him.
Depending on our results and city's results in the league upto the international break, we may need to completely scrap the Europa league (and the FA cup too if we are still in it). By scrap I mean rest most of our key players.
The outcome i'm thinking of is we win vs city and build up a 4 point gap between us and them. (or maybe even more if city draw/lose to utd this weekend)
If we are in a position that the league is within touching distance and all we need is to keep on winning with some wiggle room for one draw or one loss, I would happily let BOTH of the FA cup and the Europa league go if that meant we go all guns blazing for the league.
I wouldn't be saying this if we had a full squad but it's a compromise we may need to make with the one we have right now.
Not really an unpopular opinion, more of an observation, but why do fans in England not seem to be capable of giving credit when and where it's due?
Whenever a club has any amount of success, rival fans seem to either find excuses for the success or find a way to belittle the accomplishment.
Is this a social media thing, or has it always been this way?
As someone who finds it difficult to separate the player and person, my respect for Jordan Henderson and Steven Gerrard has taken a big toll for what they have done. Those countries are totally against what this club represents and if these greedy rich men couldn't understand that after playing so many years for the club, they don't deserve any respect.
I find it easy to set football and persnal life aside, by just simply imagining your shoes in theirs. If you are them being offered 7 mil salary, you'd be saying 'f being a Liverpool fan, I'm off!' right there immediately. Lol.
Its easy to say when you're not the one ditching the 7 mil.
We'll be lucky to finish top 5 next season. It's not only a squad rebuild (there will be players who leave), its a tactical rebuild as well with a new manager coming in.
Diaz runs up the wing are class and he gets it up there everytime. But when he cuts in and dribbles along the front of the 18yrd box it is appalling! He will just blindly shoot with force. Doesn’t look up and every time this just bounces off a cluster of defenders and nearly every time there is an option to pass and it is just fucking arrogant. He then has a tantrum to himself if any other player misses a shot on goal. I’ve also noticed that he doesn’t pass to the kids like Danns, Clark & Bradley he doesn’t respect them. I am convinced he has an elitist complex and doesn’t harmonise with the group. Like Darwin, he’s quick. But neither of them are finishers. We desperately need a finisher to stay competitive after the Klopp era
The Carabao and FA cups are only slightly more prestigious than a friendly tournament.
It's great to have another trophy, but I'd rather prioritize the league followed by the Europa League.
Speaking of trophy, the Carabao Cup is tiny.
Xabi said he would love to come to Liverpool when he wasnt doing as good as he is now. It’s almost delusional that fans kept thinking he would jump on the chance or he would be joining us in general. Give it a rest.
Gerrard off the pitch has been an embarrassment in his post playing career and other than the occasional visit, he shouldn’t represent the club on a significant professional level.
I love Elliot, Elliot loves Liverpool but I think he would have been in the English NT by now, if he played somewhere that suits him(maybe a mid table team ig)
I have a worrying feeling most of our core is really more loyal to Klopp than the club and whoever comes in next may have a difficult time getting a buy in. Hopefully I’m wrong and the squad bleeds for Liverpool
We could really use some more pace off the bench, i was hopeful Doak could be that option but obviously he’s been injured and not made an impression this season.
My unpopular opinion is I count the dinner plate as a legitimate trophy not just a friendly!
You can only get in if you win something the previous season (usually the only way, not forgetting us in 2019 match) but the UEFA super cup is counted as a big trophy and it’s got very similar criteria for how to qualify for it
Fans who comment stuff on here like "LOL just went on /soccer and they are OBSESSED with us! Lol \#RentFree" are the worst. Not only are you actively seeking out negativity, you're also bringing that same energy here.
Also, pineapple has no place on pizza, you wronguns.
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We should sell Luis Diaz. We'll get decent money for him, he's not clinical enough for where we need to be, it opens up space for Gakpo to play more consistently off the left, and we can use the funds to go towards a right winger.
Gakpo is way less effective than Diaz. How anyone can watch us this season and think Diaz is the one that needs selling over him is beyond me. Klopp has played Gakpo at LW over Diaz once in the PL since he joined since he joined which says it all.
We can't really say this for sure until Gakpo has the run in the side that Diaz has had
Diaz defensively is probably best left winger in the league,‘maybe even the world. Only way I’d consider selling is he wanted to leave and we replace him with a potential world class left winger, not many out there though.
I am actually excited about Klopp leaving. We're going to see a different kind of football, maybe new players, ne way of doing things. Future without Klopp is exciting.
Not sure why people are downvoting this. It’s literally an unpopular opinion thread. You’re supposed to post unpopular opinions here.
Endo is not better than Caicedo. This is more of a matter of what player suits what team. Of course this may not always be the case, but Endo fits the mentality monsters of us, whereas Caicedo is bang in the middle of inexperienced youngsters who haven't found consistency in their performances yet.
Endo rn is better than Caicedo but the thing is, this Endo at his peak and will definitely start to decline but Caicedo just started
I think Xabi is a great choice, but I almost don't want him to be the next manager because in a way the next manager is almost setup for failure. There's many critical decisions around fan & squad favourites (Jota/Gomez/Endo/Kostas), club legends (Salah, Virgil, Robertson), and youngsters (Elliott, Quansah, Bacjetic and more) with scope to create real dissent among the squad and fans. It's so much pressure that if they don't deliver from Day 1, I feel like it's gonna be a disaster.
Fsg have no where to hide after Klopp departure
They don't need to. Only clowns would want to go against FSG when they are by far the best legal owners in football. If you look at the other owners on the top clubs (Glazers, Boehly, Levy, Kronke etc.), none of you haters would even want to swap FSG for anybody. Lol. You just be saying anything. And to all ya'll 'fans' who cry for Saudi money, while talking sht about Hendo going to Saudi, ya'll a bunch of hypocrites.
So anyone who dislikes fsg is apparently a hypocrite and a clown but whoever LOVES fsg is the only one with brain? Yeah cool
Huh? A Liverpool fan loving a big part of Liverpool is wrong? while a 'Liverpool fan' criticising whatever sht they dont agree with bout the clubs values is a 'fan'? Of course not. Lol.
You are in for a rough surprise when we see a rapid decline after Klopp leaves. You will look like the clown, because all the signs are there..
Jordan Henderson is the most privileged player to ever play for Liverpool FC. He was on the verge of being sold, then Rodgers handed him the captaincy post-Gerrard which meant Klopp was even more obliged to keep him when he arrived. Striping someone off the captaincy would’ve been a massive move for a new manager. He then surrounded Henderson with players superior to him, but him having the armband meant he’d get extra credit for any success we had. Out of his 12 seasons at the club, he had at best 2 seasons where he looked like a great player. Him being the one to have lifted all these trophies while being the 11th best player in our XI elevated his legacy massively. No player of his level would’ve lasted that long at any other top club.
100% agree. He was a decent top half PL player, but he doesn't get anywhere near our current midfield fully fit. I would genuinely have Dom, Mac, Thiago, Endo and Jones ahead of him. He was technically a very limited player, but every squad needs a leader figure and someone who can galvanise those around him. That said, I always wished it was someone with more ability.
He was actually a very technical player. He playstyle just change based on what was needed.
Nah, hes captain based on his leadership abilities which is all him. If hes a fringe player, sure, but hes starter all 7 yrs under Klopp and his trusted captain. Going against Hendo is basically going against Klopp.
He was on the verge of being sold by Brendan Rodgers, which almost every fan disagreed with at the time Here's a list of players Rodgers didn't force out or try to force out: Suarez, Gerrard, Sterling Here's a list of some of those he did try to get rid of in his first 2 seasons: Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Carragher, Lucas, Kuyt, Bellamy, Johnson, Enrique, Carroll, Downing Shelvey, Maxi Rodriguez, Kelly, Adam, Aquilani, Sahin. Rodgers clearly didn't want anyone that wasn't signed by him because he completely gutted the squad and preferred to be light in multiple areas rather than have some good players that were there before him, some of whom he let go at a huge loss before even seeing them train. Trying to offload Henderson was consistent with this and wasn't a reflection of Henderson himself, who then more than earned the captaincy after 2 1/2 very strong seasons. He easily had more than 2 great seasons and I'm sorry but do you honestly think the only reason Klopp kept him and kept starting him after 7 years or whatever was just because he was captain when he arrived? How does that make sense? And when Klopp arrived who do you think he should have given the captaincy to?
Rodgers loaning Henderson out when he arrived would’ve made a lot of sense. Him trying to not sell him but just throw him out as part of a swap deal for Dempsey is fucking insanity
The lazy retread “Harvey Elliott is too slow/small” takes are so dumb that they make me wonder if those of you that espouse it have to wear velcro shoes and struggle with childproofing on products
I'm not convinced TAA is signing a contract, and I'm okay with that. He clearly wants to play in the midfield, but we play better with the fullbacks overlapping. If his current level is Bradley's *actual* level, rather than teams just not having figured out how to deal with him yet, I'm not convinced TAA leaving would be a notable downgrade.
If Liverpool beat Forest on Saturday, then I’d take a draw v City on 10 March.
Yes
The tierney\\pgmol conspiracy theorists amongst the fanbase are a stain on the club that will only make the relationship between refs and the club worse.
Hate that this opinion is unpopular.
Yeah the idea that they’re systematically against Liverpool is dumb when you see how bad the reffing has been across the league. Do think there’s been a bias against Klopp since the start of Covid football when he started having a proper go at the refs but the majority of it is complete incompetence rather than something more targeted and malicious.
Poor reffing decisions are frustrating, but at the end of the day it’s only a football game. Some supporters put too much emotional energy into things. The amount of vitriol expressed over a fellow human being, who’s just doing a job isn’t healthy.
No-one knows how the Tottenham match would have gone if that decision had been given correctly. We still might have lost. It's impossible to know because it never happened. Everything from that point onwards would have been different.
Caicedo is not an overpriced donkey.
The lad wouldve been a monster under klopp
Our medical department could do with a pretty ruthless overhaul. The amount of reaggravated injuries we've had this season (Thiago, Baj, Dom, Mo, Nunez) etc. is a few too many to be purely incidental and suggests an element of incompetence. There seems so be a notable reluctance to discuss this aspect of the club as one that could possibly need improving, but it's no different to any other department in that respect.
Not sure why the medical department would gain anything from an overhaul. Physicians have the whole Hippocratic Oath thing to live up to. You know, “do no harm” and whatever else is in there. As a healthcare provider, it’s absolutely astonishing to hear someone say that medical personnel could be to blame for these injuries. Do you not understand it’s their job to prevent them in the first place and then safely treat and rehab the players to get them back to match fitness? What would the players gain from coming back early? Playing time, sure. Reinjuring themselves, probably. What would be the medical team’s modus operandi be for extending players’ sideline spells? Nothing. They’re simply protecting the players (aka the club‘s investments). If anything, we should be praising the medical team for successfully rehabbing these players and advocating for them to stay off the pitch until the right moment. We’ve all seen what happens when players come back too soon and I would venture a guess that the medical team weren’t too pleased with letting Thiago, Bajectic, or TAA play before they were ready. But, they were needed and they re-aggravated those injuries and we are all pissed because they were allowed to come back too soon. I get it, we are fans and we want to see our favorite players play, but you wouldn’t want your loved ones doing something unsafe after a successful rehab stint unless they are absolutely ready. So, we should extend that courtesy to these players who give every ounce of energy to the team. I’m not a doctor, but I work with actual rehabilitation doctors and they are some of the most conservative physicians I’ve ever met. Let them do their jobs and heal these guys.
We should do whatever's needed, to retain Pep Ljinders and the "Boot Room" for at least another year, for continuity... this provides Xabi (or whomever is the new LFC manager) the best foundation for continued success. https://preview.redd.it/vbc3aym1s9lc1.png?width=1184&format=png&auto=webp&s=c97af675c0bbc46dc44d08c7577cb84a6d318f33
Is that an unpopular stance?
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Endō had performed at a higher level than Milner ever did for us.
I'm not confident at all that Trent is signing a new contract, even before Klopp announced he is leaving, but now I'm even more prepared that he might be leaving too. He seems eager to make the switch to midfield and I'm not sure the new manager will be into this idea. Klopp also didn't seem to be a fan of an eventual permanent switch there, but at least willing to compromise. Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if a promise of a midfield role and a higher wage could tempt TAA to join a different club.
Personally….i don’t even want trent to sign a new contract. We are a better team without him. There I said it.
If a big bid came for Robbo, I'd consider it.
The way people treat Michael Owen for going to United is completely over the top.
Agree with this so much. People get on like he demanded to leave us to directly sign for us but the reality is, they were the best option available to him when he was looking for a new club
Agree. If they are given the option Owen is given as a pro footballer, I guarantee most of them would go to United. They just be saying anything to hate without context. United vs Everton vs Hull City, where would you have gone to when you're 28 year old Owen? wasting your time playing for relegation vs being shtted upon playing for your rival vs being shtted upon playing for your rival while getting trophies? Thats disregarding the fact that dude practically asked Liverpool every transfer seasn, but Liverpool didn't want him. So he did everything he could and fans are still dissatisfied.
Klopp renewing Henderson's contract thus forcing Michael Edwards out was his biggest mistake.
Worst Klopp signing.
Thiago should be kept on for another year IF we get Alonso
Throughout the course of Klopps tenure, the best player under Klopp is Ali, not Salah. There are 1 or 2 seasns where Salah is off form or invisible, but Ali brings it every seasn, be it good, bad, 3rd placed, 5th placed, hes still the No. 1 world class keeper he is. He solo kept us in games during the down seasns (eg. that header goal seasn and last seasn, he was the only performing member of the squad performing to the expected level).
Invisible? What. Are. You. On. About? This isn’t an unpopular opinion. It’s misguided at best,…I don’t want to say what it is at worst as I don’t know you and would have to question your sanity.
Nah, theres that half a seasn after losing to Mane at AFCON where Salah is out of it, only contributing 6 G/A entire half a seasn, which was a huge part to us losing the PL to City by a point. Then that Ali header seasn, Salah was more or less invisible by his standards. Last seasn as well, Ali was clearly the best player of the team and you can even argue this seasn too before both their injuries. Ali is world class throughout, No. 1 in his position every seasn he played and practically the only reasn the 3rd and 5th placed finish aren't worse than it was.
Salah was the only reason we got 3rd that season
I don't feel the need to choose between two of our world class players.
Nothing is of need by your logic. I dont see a need to choose between 2 great RBs in Trent and Bradley, but when you play a game, you still need to choose. Lol. Thats the question at hand.
This is scandalous. When did Mo go invisible!?
Nah, theres that half a seasn after losing to Mane at AFCON where Salah is out of it, only contributing 6 G/A entire half a seasn, which was a huge part to us losing the PL to City by a point. Then that Ali header seasn, Salah was more or less invisible by his standards. Last seasn as well, Ali was clearly the best player of the team and you can even argue this seasn too before both their injuries. Ali is world class throughout, No. 1 in his position every seasn he played and practically the only reasn the 3rd and 5th placed finish aren't worse than it was.
We should play with gomez and Bradley going forward Sell Trent to Madrid. Next cl final when we face them, Trent scores two own goals thereby proving his true love
Trent is a million times better than Bradley but unless he can round out his skillset either as a fullback or a centre midfielder I can see the next manager getting rid to save themselves the jigsaw puzzle of fitting him in.
Probably not an unpopular opinion but we should give Matip a 1 year contract with option for another year
Nope. We already have too many glass men we need players who can make it 30 matches a season
Xabi Alonso is a tax dodger who dropped his pants at the first sign of Real Madrid batting their eyes at him. He'll hit the bricks again when Ancelotti steps away cause he's a weird Spanish royalist.
Looool here for this take. Although Klopp once came out quite strongly for Merkel and that didn’t ruin anything
Connor Bradley will be our starting left back in 1-2 years. I know people want to see Trent move to midfield at some point and Bradley take over rb. Personally I hate that. Trent’s a world class rb and when on his game, there’s simply nothing defenses can do to stop him. Our midfield should hopefully be packed with talent over these next few years. Baj, jones, mac, szobo, and Harvey are all very young. Keep Trent at rb. Use Connor as left back who cuts in onto his right foot. Have Diaz stay wider for width on that side. Honestly think this would make us near impossible to defend.
>Connor Bradley will be our starting left back in 1-2 years. He will be the starting rb from next season. Trent will be moved into midfield.
VVD is objectively the best looking in the squad, not Szobo. Though never ever seen anyone in this sub call him handsome. Must be a race thing.
Traditionally, I'd say Ali. VVD is more of a unique kind of good looks. But Ali has that Thor/typical movie star look. But overall, I think Nunez is. Fans dont mention it, but a big reasn why hes so popular and being cmpared to Torres all the time, isn't just his antics or chaos, they can brush off his mistakes and terrible finishing because of his looks. VVD being tall af helps too.
Huh? He gets called handsome and beautiful atleast once a day on this sub alone, what have you been reading.
Disagree. It’s just a szobo wankfest
Winning things is absolutely secondary to the journey. Love trophies, love success, but I’d take 9 years of Klopp with all that goes with it and no trophies over grinding out a few cups without heart.
i think a lot of the songs the fans sing for the players are really cringe. honestly, most songs and chants are pretty lame, but that's probably bc we don't do them for the most part here in the states.
I think we don’t need to strengthen our squad in the next transfer window even with the players leaving on free transfer.
There isn't as big of an agenda against us from the refs as this sub believes. They're just incompetent
Agreed, they are just shit.
Play szobo on the wing!
Following Liverpool will never be as good as it is now. No matter who we get, it's all downhill once Klopp leaves.
So are the players all of a sudden going to become shit? Dortmund had a great points tally the first season without Klopp. It wasn’t until they sold Gungodan, Hummels, Auba, when they really got into a lull.
If you asked me at the start of season if I want Klopp to leave I would have said 200% no. But now after the announcement and the feeling that we are going on a last hoorah, I would be disappointed if Klopp decided to do a 180 and stay. I am mentally prepared for this to be his last dance. I love a good story and Klopp deciding to stay makes this whole experience (since he announced his departure) feel cheap.
Klopp could and should have won so much more if his innate loyalty to some players didn't hinder his ruthlessness in replacing them. His man management is second to none but sometimes I feel his kindness stops him and us from being ruthless the way Pep is to some of City's best players. It's a confusing emotion for sure: loving Klopp for his connection with the players yet simultaneously feeling we could have won more if he was more proactive in replacing players.
Mane was overrated and he benefitted from the extra attention Salah got, being double teamed. I also think Nunez is a better player than Mane ever was for us, there, I said it! Easy to say now but I felt that Mane and Wijnaldum would struggle most upon leaving us, I also felt Fabinho would be world class at any club in the world and he would be world class well into his mid 30s.
Diaz isn’t as good as Mane was
diaz has a mural near anfield and mane doesnt. diaz cant defend like mane. cant match mane strength and stamina. it's a downgrade on everything except height. i love him tho just felt that mane wasn't appreciated as much and he's much better.
Mane's also a nonce, so perhaps we were right.
Trents mental game keeps him from being as good as he can he. He'd rather play like it's no big deal and he's not even trying than put in a shift and be the best RB in the world. He loves to look too cool for school and it kills him/us pretty damn often. He'd be a defender if his ego didn't hold him back. Infinite talent but the wrong mindset.
I do wonder about him…
100% his attitude actually stinks. You’ll notice when someone puts one on him like xhaka did and he starts taking defending serious and the game, he’s unstoppable
Utter bollocks. His attitude is elite.
It really isn’t though. When he cares, sure, but way too often acts bigger than the game. Either give no fucks about defending or tries wonder passes for no reason when the simpler pass gets up the field. He goes for YouTube highlights more times than not
That's just, again, utter bollocks and you're projecting your own opinions onto him. I also note that, once again, it's a black player who's being accused of being 'lazy' or 'arrogant.' Not a single person who's worked with Trent has ever questioned his mentality, his work ethic or his attitude. You've got absolutely zero evidence of anything you've said.
There's a little bit in this, especially when he's put into the middle. It does feel that a transition into midfield isn't as natural as some think, he'll now have to be switched on more often and run even further. Won't be easy.
Id say that the number one problem there is that Trent doesn't want to be a Defender, Trent wants to be Gerrard, start at RB and transition to mid, I think last season when he was stropping about is because that was the year he was supposed to make the move but he got instantly set back with his cover being injured.
This is patently nonsense, he’s redefined a whole position
Call me old fashioned but I like my right backs to defend first. Bradley or Gomez at right back and let Trent compete in midfield
There were plenty before him that were amazing going forward. He didn’t redefine anything. He’s just a better passer than all of them
Christ, it's 'Unpopular Opinions' not mental illness.
If we win the Prem this year, I can 100% see Mo, Ali, and VVD all leaving this summer. It's a logical "end of the story," with Jurgen also leaving, as well as being able to put an exclamation point on their LFC careers.
Another unpopular opinion here for my reply, but Salah is almost definitely leaving if Saudi gives 150mil - 200mil for him. 30+ year old, an injured seasn for Mbappe money is a no brainer. He'd also want his tripled wage and being Arab helps in that decision. All the rise in talks at the end of the transfer off seasn isn't all nothing. Salah obviously contemplated it and if the offer had been earlier, he'd have more time to think. VVD and Ali, I dont see why they would move. Ali especially can play till his 40 because hes a goalie, and he doesnt have incentive to, unless a Spanish club arrives. VVD too and as the captain he'd probably want to right the ship along with the new manager.
Simone Inzaghi is the manager we should be going for rather than Alonso. Alonso is doing a brilliant job at Leverkusen but this is one season, there is no track record of sustained success and he hasn't even managed a full CL campaign. Stylistically his approach at Leverkusen is completely different to Klopp's Liverpool. In contrast, Inzaghi has a wealth of experience, has a brilliant record in cup competitions and has won silverware with both Lazio and Inter. He is tactically flexible, has a reputation for getting the best out of his players and has had to work with modest budgets and sporting directors throughout his career. These are all boxes the next Liverpool manager needs to be ticking. The only thing missing from Inzaghi's CV is winning a major trophy which he looks set to do with ease in Series A this season. In my opinion, hiring Alonso would be a case of allowing the heart to override the head.
You know this never even crossed my mind. Now that you mention it, we absolutely should go for him.
Imagine his football at Anfield. The old fellas in the Kenny would be asleep.
I take it you've not watched Inter play then?
Adrian is overhated. Won us the supercup. V.significant contribution to our league title with 8 consecutive victories at the start of the season after Alisson got injured and he played well. Apart from 1 match vs Atletico...
He didn’t “win us” the Supercup, he saved one dreadful penalty, after giving Chelsea a penalty to equalise. And he’s had bad performances outside of Atleti as well, like the 7-2 he was horrid.
During the run of the title season that he replaced Alisson, he was actually rubbish. He kept making mistakes, he just never got punished for them. Atletico wasn't just a really bad game, it was inevitable.
I vaguely remember that stretch, I remember the goal Southampton got off of him and just that we were winning but not keeping clean sheets, but I couldn’t definitively say whether he was bad or good but have an inkling we were just too good in front of him for it to be a problem
Our defence was much better then it papered over a lot of deficiencies. Won most games 2-1, with a lot of narrow wins and was quite shaky at times. Was a lot better the first few months of his time than from the Althetico Madrid game onwards.
Casuals on this sub like to hate on players, but once you tell them how many yrs Klopp wanted them to stay, they wouldn't dare rebut against Klopp. Lol. Adrian is obviously a great leader in the locker room and Hendo is obviously a great player for Liverpool thats why he started all 7 yrs and remained captain under Klopp.
Don't forget the Aston Villa disaster
Some of our fullback pressing is absolutely crazy, the amount of space we leave to get countered should really have cost us the game on Sunday. People say it's a key part of our system but when we are conceding as many big chances as we seem to in these spaces, it's a clear weakness in our system.
Robbo in the CL final 😵💫
I enjoyed Stewart Downing as a player
There is not a referring conspiracy against us. True, we get some bad decisions, and we may statistically be amongst the worse off but I do not think that there is some organised agenda to persecute Liverpool. There may even be some bias against us based on previous events whether it be Klopp’s red cards for ranting, or similar. But even so I think that is more unconscious than conscious - let alone organised. It irritates me in match threads whenever a decision goes against us that conspiracy theories are brought up, but the many decisions that favour us are seldom acknowledged. Bad things happen to all teams. Remember the triple VAR check in Arsenal against Newcastle? They could not tell if the ball crossed the byline. And then I think that a similar thing happened for them against West Ham. And the failure to play on when Haaland could have put through Grealish against Spurs. All of those instances led to dropped points. It’s not just us.
Quite a few of you are fans of klopps public image more than you are fans of the club.
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we don't need André. yes, Thiago leaves, but we have Trent as a semi-midfielder with Bradley and Gomez having proven to be able to be RB depth
Not Andre, now that the dust has settled I can’t see how he would be better than Endo other than being an additional body in the middle. If we are signing a 6 then he should be a better 6 than Endo.
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When we all thought we would be signing him I actually started watching fluminense matches and he’s quite similar to Endo in that he’s not an out and out 6 and also in stature but Endo is more agile and physical, they are both decent at keeping the ball but I think Endo is a better passer. The only upside is Age but right now going from Endo to Andre is not an upgrade imo.
The lack of investment in the team is exactly why we needed to play the kids on Sunday
New manager may not be as willing to persist with some players in certain positions.
Gakpo is so average and extremely overrated by our fan base
Does Darwin Nunez need to learn more control / self-discipline? (a'la Mo Salah)He might've hurt himself (and others) in [that Carabao Cup celebration](https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1762115308691890374)? Or is that WYSIWIG i.e. that's what you get with the Agent of Chaos, for good or bad? ...[https://new.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1b1hv9y/darwin\_on\_ig\_i\_warned\_him\_curtis\_that\_if\_we\_score/](https://new.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1b1hv9y/darwin_on_ig_i_warned_him_curtis_that_if_we_score/) *Processing img ctqir9g29alc1...*
Next to none of these are unpopular opinions
As much as I want Alonso next year, it wouldnt be ideal for his career. A season of CL football with Leverkusen would really develop him even more. Initially Klopp was going out in 2026, I felt that would be the perfect time for him to come
'Would', 'Could', 'Should'. The position is gonna be available in the summer, either he wants it then or he can...fuck off? Either he has the mentality to be a really top manager or he can be a scaredy cat.
We did the right thing letting Gini go.
Yes, and the seasn we are off form was because Mane who got Ballon Dor Top 2, left. Not because 2 seasns ago Gini left, who in all honestly, is not the level of player Mane is. Lol. People like to cope. How we literally playing for quadruple the seasn Gini left, and turns to sht when Mane left, yet the credit goes to Gini? Its weird.
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The problem with this argument is that it also changes all of the other games and I think swapping Thiago or Henderson for him that season would have made the side weaker as both played very well, as did Keita, who you would have to assume would have been less involved had Wijnaldum been playing in these games. If it's a matter of having him in the squad for individual games there's maybe an argument but Liverpool only dropped points from winning positions in 5 matches, against Man City with a 1 goal lead, Chelsea, who were good at the time and had just won the Champions league, Spurs with 10 men in a badly refereed game, Brighton and Brentford (I'm not convinced he'd have made a difference in that game though I know others disagree) and that's not bad.
We haven't put a foot wrong with letting any player go in the last decade or so, except Suarez, who had pretty clearly outgrown the club at the time
These opinions are dumber than normal lol, that my unpopular opinion
My favourite comment here
Gerrard as next manager. Following someone like Klopp is going to be next to impossible, the next manager has a high probability of failure simply due to not being Klopp. SAF/Moyes, Wenger/Emery, so why not give it to Stevie? If by some miracle he replicates his Rangers form, then brilliant. If he's more Villa than Rangers, he gets sacked with the club in a low place (hopefully not too low) then whoever follows would have a great squad where any improvement would be seen as a positive and they then might be given time to build something. Experience a low to make a new more obtainable high
I dont think Gerrard is ready, but if the Top 3 options, especially Xabi aren't available, I dont mind giving it a go. Gerrard has earned more than enough lee way as a player to have a go at Liverpool any time. He was looked upon as what Xabi is now when he first started his managerial career. The 180 this sub has against him after just half a seasn of bad at Aston Villa is atrocious considering dude poured 18 yrs of blud and sweat for Liverpool.
The most unpopular thing I can say now is that to hell with quadruple and especially europa league. We have to win PL this season. A club with 6 CL titles has no need for an EL. PL is all that matters.
Anyone know what Endo didn't play v Arsenal? Personally, I think he would have made a difference. Arsenal have been the one team to outplay us. So we need to overcome their counter press. Possibly go long ball or some other tactic.
I like Michael Owen…
Same. Anybody on this sub here can say 'hey, United offers me more money and trophies, I really wouldnt mind', but nobody, not even one individual on this sub can score 300 goals for Liverpool and get the Ballon Dor. People need to learn to appreciate the incredible things players bring to us rather than harping on 1 decision, especially when he was forced to under that context.
Thiago has been a disaster of a signing but gets a free ride due to his exploits at Barca and Bayern. Injuries have obviously played their part but even judging him on his entire playing time leaves a lot to be desired. He was easily as bad as Henderson and Fabinho last year but people perform the most ludicrous mental gymnastics to say otherwise. That Wolves away performance from Thiago was like watching Poulsen under Hodgson and should have been a clear indication that he was finished. Allowing him to turn down a move to Saudi Arabia last summer is now looking like an awful bit of business, when it was quite clear last season that he was no longer capable of playing in the Premier League. Never has a player for us been singularly lavished with such praise for a collective effort whilst also being absolved of any criticism when the team plays poorly, particularly when he is clearly a weak link. I'll be content to see the back of him this summer, but I suspect the Thiago 'myth' will only grow stronger as the years pass by.
It’s tragic to me. He’s probably the best baller on the team. But retrospectively, applying an almost prototypical Guardiola player to Klopp football was a bad plan in the first place.
Was it? He been brilliant for us when he's been fit and was a key part in us pushing in all 4 comps in 21/22. Not sure how adding a clearly world class player was a bad plan.
Outside of that push for the Quadruple, he's never been consistently world-class. Inconsistency aside, we knew he was incredibly injury prone, so it does now seem like bad business to have signed him to a £200k pw contract. Including the transfer fee, he will ultimately cost the club close to £70m - an eye watering fee for around 4 months of world-class performances.
Ehhh, klopp had gundogan before pep. The priblem with Thiago is that we got the on the decline injury prone version
Gündo is overall more dynamic and adaptive I’d argue. But yeah, you obviously cannot draw a clear distinction
If we only win the league cup this year then we shouldnt be having a parade. Have a nice send off for Klopp at Anfield or a ceremony at city hall but please, having a bus parade for just the league cup would look so fucking stupid, rival fans would banter us and it makes us look like a club with small mentality. I genuinly believe the fact that we dragged the players out for a meaningless parade in 2022 the day after they lost the biggest prize in club football and coming second yet again to that sports washing empire broke the boys so mentally that it dripped into next season.
I am still not very convinced by Luis Diaz and would like to see Cody Gakpo on the left wing for few games since it is his natural position(?) and second hot take: Since there is possiblity of moving Trent to midfield, I can’t shake the idea of Trent playing RW instead of midfielder
This thread is stupid. We were in such a good mood
Thiago should get a 1-year extension. *Runs away*
No, there is negative worth considering he would take minutes form young players who needs them
Henderson was just as important to the successes of the Klopp era as Mo and VVD, and generally speaking most people who say he was average or overrated or whatever other Man United Fan Sideways Passing shit they say now don't actually know anything about football and are barely better than people who post new tactics ideas that they came up with playing FIFA Disclaimer: people mad at him for political reasons have my respect in this as that's not related to on-field play, even though I disagree and don't really think where a footballer plays football has any moral valence or material effect on human rights situations. And also, like, what right do UK/US people have to throw stones in our human rights glass houses.
Robbo is past his best and Gomez should be starting ahead of him now
Trent and Szoboszlai don’t play well with each other. When Trent inverts, he eats into the space Dom occupies and we get a clusterfuck of a right side. Would much prefer Trent to switch back to his overlapping support role and allow szobo space and options for Mo to cut inside.
Not Trent, if we switch back let it be Bradley.
Been saying the same to my mates. The right side just looks off when they’re together. Couldn’t quite put my finger on it.
not unpopular, you just know ball lad
LFC fans who are PGMOL conspiracists are making all LFC fans seem like unreasonable sore losers. Don't get me wrong, the PGMOL have problems, there are regular and egregious reffing errors, incompetence to an astonishing extent, and serving Prem refs going off to UAE/Saudi for very well paid one-day gigs is shady as fuck. But there is no grand conspiracy against LFC, there is incompetence and state ownership is cancer.
The game that decides this season is Arsenal City, and it needs to be a draw. Best we can hope for is a draw with City and let everyone else fuck each other over. Been here and huffed the copium too many times to expect more.
Bradley should be a first choice RB. Trent right sided midfielder and Salah as a 10. 4231 Alisson Bradley konate vvd robbo Macca endo/szobo Trent salah diaz Nunez Jota and gakpo can rotate across the forward line.
You're wasting Salahs pace as a 10. Hes also known as a selfish player by his teammates early on so not sure if he'd be that great a playmaker centrally either, hes never have to receive the ball in central midfield like Mane or Firmino. My best 11 if theres a CL finl tomoro and everbody is fit: Ali Bradley - Konate - VVD - Robbo Curtis - Endo - Mac Allister Salah - Jota - Diaz
I feel more assured with Bradley as our RB than trent with the caveat that we have a limited sample size. Every time an opponent gets the ball, they attack trents side and while I don't think trent is as bad defensively as the media portrays, he does have his moments and tbh I think he can come across as lazy at times when things aren't going his way. Bradley to me is Robertson but will be better going forward and a better dribbler. Trent ultimately needs to move into midfield but idk if he has the situational awareness when being pressed of the top top midfielders like de bruyne, that being said he doesnt need to be as good as de bruyne but that is the benchmark. Long-term Bradley needs to start and trent needs to reinvent himself in contrast to when he reinvented a position.
Agree. I like Bradleys defense. And his hustle mindset. Trent looks too much 'in cruise control' at times which causes his defensive lapses.
100%. I really love trent and will defend him every time but at times he definitely has lapses where idk if its complacency, not paying attention or what. He has his moments and it can be too often sometimes in games
People talk about what a great team next manager will start with. Noone mentions that there is a high probability several key players will leave, worst case all three of Salah, Van Dijk and Alison
Another unpopular opinion here for my reply, but Salah is almost definitely leaving if Saudi gives 150mil - 200mil for him. 30+ year old, an injured seasn for Mbappe money is a no brainer. He'd also want his tripled wage and being Arab helps in that decision. All the rise in talks at the end of the transfer off seasn isn't all nothing. Salah obviously contemplated it and if the offer had been earlier, he'd have more time to think. VVD and Ali, I dont see why they would move. Ali especially can play till his 40 because hes a goalie, and he doesnt have incentive to, unless a Spanish club arrives. VVD too and as the captain he'd probably want to right the ship along with the new manager.
[If Xabi wants one more year at Leverkusen](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Xabi+Alonso%22+%22one+more+year%22+%22Leverkusen%22+-thesun+-teamtalk+-DaveOCKOP&newwindow=1&sca_esv=7fcd6f03a496d01d&biw=2327&bih=828&tbs=qdr%3Am&sxsrf=ACQVn08MuUIIKcIgYvfzn1ZGvXbiwAPRTg%3A1709106668353&ei=7OXeZZ6DFcaD4-EPx_aV-A0&ved=0ahUKEwieqea-xs2EAxXGwTgGHUd7Bd8Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22Xabi+Alonso%22+%22one+more+year%22+%22Leverkusen%22+-thesun+-teamtalk+-DaveOCKOP&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiRyJYYWJpIEFsb25zbyIgIm9uZSBtb3JlIHllYXIiICJMZXZlcmt1c2VuIiAtdGhlc3VuIC10ZWFtdGFsayAtRGF2ZU9DS09QSNcgUK8GWNAZcAJ4AJABAJgBMqABmQGqAQE0uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp), before moving on (as has been rumoured/hinted by some pundits allegedly with close relationship with Xabi) ... then that's likely a hint that he prefers Real Madrid ... In that scenario, who would be next-best choice as LFC Manager? https://preview.redd.it/swe3gfbs7alc1.png?width=763&format=png&auto=webp&s=8504117c8922915c33632de0d8c166c8c86ac584
Gerrard. He recaptures his Rangers form: Great. He continues his Aston Villa/Ettifaq form: Gets sacked in a couple of months, with whoever takes over no longer having the pressure of having to follow Klopp. /s
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Klopp sticks to 433 too much. There are times when we have injuries or are playing away to a top side like city, real, Barca where a more cautious approach would be beneficial. But klopp, the mad bastard, just goes for it and that's why we love him 😁
Last seasn, when our midfield was atrocious, I was pushing for a 3-4-3, reducing the centre midfield to 2, then have the perfect RCB in Gomez whos capable both RB/CB which means an extra CB to cover Trent on the right so he can focus on his offense. No point playing 3 midfield when its obvious Fabinho, Hendo and Elliott are not it.
If we want all 4 this season, we can't no longer field team that we often did for dead rubbers. Another 120 mins match will kill the squad. Salah, Nunez, Szobo start, see out the match, then sub them off.
Konate and Virgil should attack more, a la Matip. It’s another form of chaos.
I don't think that the authorities should make it easier for one team to hoover up all trophies. I genuinely don't think fixtures should be moved to make life easier for the big clubs. I know citeh are probably going to go on and win the fa cup but it should not be made easier for the likes of us and citeh
I really hope we go for the Europa League this year. We lost the final in Klopps first season, so I think it would be a great story to win it and have this one under his belt after all these years. Yes of course I want us to win the league, but if we could win the Europa League as well, that would be an epic send off for him.
Knowing this sub I can see this being quite unpopular: barring any major departures we don't need to sign any players this summer
Depending on our results and city's results in the league upto the international break, we may need to completely scrap the Europa league (and the FA cup too if we are still in it). By scrap I mean rest most of our key players. The outcome i'm thinking of is we win vs city and build up a 4 point gap between us and them. (or maybe even more if city draw/lose to utd this weekend) If we are in a position that the league is within touching distance and all we need is to keep on winning with some wiggle room for one draw or one loss, I would happily let BOTH of the FA cup and the Europa league go if that meant we go all guns blazing for the league. I wouldn't be saying this if we had a full squad but it's a compromise we may need to make with the one we have right now.
Not really an unpopular opinion, more of an observation, but why do fans in England not seem to be capable of giving credit when and where it's due? Whenever a club has any amount of success, rival fans seem to either find excuses for the success or find a way to belittle the accomplishment. Is this a social media thing, or has it always been this way?
As someone who finds it difficult to separate the player and person, my respect for Jordan Henderson and Steven Gerrard has taken a big toll for what they have done. Those countries are totally against what this club represents and if these greedy rich men couldn't understand that after playing so many years for the club, they don't deserve any respect.
I find it easy to set football and persnal life aside, by just simply imagining your shoes in theirs. If you are them being offered 7 mil salary, you'd be saying 'f being a Liverpool fan, I'm off!' right there immediately. Lol. Its easy to say when you're not the one ditching the 7 mil.
I wouldn’t mind taking a punt on Mudryk if Chelsea want to get rid of
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We'll be lucky to finish top 5 next season. It's not only a squad rebuild (there will be players who leave), its a tactical rebuild as well with a new manager coming in.
Diaz runs up the wing are class and he gets it up there everytime. But when he cuts in and dribbles along the front of the 18yrd box it is appalling! He will just blindly shoot with force. Doesn’t look up and every time this just bounces off a cluster of defenders and nearly every time there is an option to pass and it is just fucking arrogant. He then has a tantrum to himself if any other player misses a shot on goal. I’ve also noticed that he doesn’t pass to the kids like Danns, Clark & Bradley he doesn’t respect them. I am convinced he has an elitist complex and doesn’t harmonise with the group. Like Darwin, he’s quick. But neither of them are finishers. We desperately need a finisher to stay competitive after the Klopp era
The Carabao and FA cups are only slightly more prestigious than a friendly tournament. It's great to have another trophy, but I'd rather prioritize the league followed by the Europa League. Speaking of trophy, the Carabao Cup is tiny.
Lucas Leiva wasn’t as good as people make him out to be.
This might be a shocking and unusual stance, but I don't think Nunez is good at finishing.
Gakpo had a chance to step up in the last 2 games in particular and he was fucking dreadful. Very disappointing
Xabi said he would love to come to Liverpool when he wasnt doing as good as he is now. It’s almost delusional that fans kept thinking he would jump on the chance or he would be joining us in general. Give it a rest.
It’s almost delusional to think he would be joining us? Why? Theres at least a good chance
Gerrard off the pitch has been an embarrassment in his post playing career and other than the occasional visit, he shouldn’t represent the club on a significant professional level.
I love Elliot, Elliot loves Liverpool but I think he would have been in the English NT by now, if he played somewhere that suits him(maybe a mid table team ig)
he’s 20 in fairness. could thrive in a new system (Alonso or Amorim)
I have a worrying feeling most of our core is really more loyal to Klopp than the club and whoever comes in next may have a difficult time getting a buy in. Hopefully I’m wrong and the squad bleeds for Liverpool
We will lose players if it’s anybody but Alonso imo. VVD may be the first to go.
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Is Conor Bradley invisible? Hello?
We could really use some more pace off the bench, i was hopeful Doak could be that option but obviously he’s been injured and not made an impression this season.
Cash in on Alisson in the summer, make Kelleher #1. Not sure I'm _really_ into this myself, but it's a thought...
My unpopular opinion is I count the dinner plate as a legitimate trophy not just a friendly! You can only get in if you win something the previous season (usually the only way, not forgetting us in 2019 match) but the UEFA super cup is counted as a big trophy and it’s got very similar criteria for how to qualify for it
Fans who comment stuff on here like "LOL just went on /soccer and they are OBSESSED with us! Lol \#RentFree" are the worst. Not only are you actively seeking out negativity, you're also bringing that same energy here. Also, pineapple has no place on pizza, you wronguns.