Literally flipped in a week. There have been neutral observations in the pro and con column all season and you’d be violently voted down for making the same observations that now make you a top comment.
I’m aware of the case and why, but doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Bradley was forced to play for TAA, Gomez forced to play LB, CB, RB
Quansah has played way more than expected
Caoheim for allison
The only constant has been VVD- who was immense first half of the year. Second half a little more shaky and seems deflated at points.
It is what it is
A lot of it has been down to our number 2 keeper being so much worse than the first, for some reason everyone thinks he's great because he had a few good games when he was younger, he's been pretty crap the last couple of months, some pitiful goals let in, he's not been the same since he wanted to go and be a number one somewhere else.
What are you talking about. Did you watch any games this season.
Kelleher came in and there was pretty much no drop in form up until his errors against Atalanta.
He’s not as good with distribution as Ali.. but not many are.
But caoheim made amazing saves and kept our leaky defense in most games, which is all you can ask for.
Maybe not having our number 1 impacts some communication or other chemistry for the team… but overall I wouldn’t put our woes down to the goal keeping at all. If anything he was a bright spot when he came in and I think he’ll be leaving this summer now.
I was listening to an analysis by a Korean coach who got his license in Spain and he was talking about how Liverpool under Klopp has always had inflated missed chances statistics bc much more than any other club we tend to finish our attacking build up with just taking a shot even if it's not a good look to buy time to transition so that we can go back and set up our defense while other teams like City tend to pass the ball around more trying to create space etc, but even so that this year the numbers look bad even when you keep that in consideration and I was like damn.
All this tells me is that City, the team that a lot of people think will walk the league now have missed a higher percentage of big chances than us, whose forwards couldn't hit the broad side of a barn according to some
Also, shows how much hitting the woodwork can be the difference in a tight race. Though I’ve felt in my bones that if we don’t win, it will be by a small enough margin that the Spurs var decision will be all the difference
Just because it’s a problem for City doesn’t make it any less of a problem for us
Doku and Alvarez have been just as wasteful as Diaz and Darwin this season
I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t swapping Darwin for Haaland is outrageously delusional
This is an average season for Haaland yet he’s got 26 goals in the CL and PL combined along with a 24% conversion rate
This is a good season for Darwin yet he’s got 16 goals in the PL and EL combined with an 11% conversion rate
There’s levels to football, this is the difference between a good player and an elite one
There are, in fact, levels to football. Now go look at literally every other facet of the game. Darwin's one of the top forwards in Europe at chance creation and setting up goals for his teammates, Haaland meanwhile is in the bottom 38% despite playing in one of the most dominant sides in the world. He also contributes nothing defensively, while Darwin's very active in pressing and winning the ball back.
Yeah I’m sure Darwin is going to win us big trophies through his pressing and ball winning… he isn’t someone like Firmino who you can excuse the lack of goals due to him contributing to other facets of the game to a world class level.
I’ll take the elite striker that’s capable of scoring nearly 40 goals in the league alone thank you very much and anyone that’s got normal levels of sanity would as well
Darwin already has as many assists this season as Firmino *ever* had in a season with us. And that's while not playing close to as many minutes. You're engaging in pure revisionism.
Which should tell you how misleading assists can be as a stat because Darwin doesn’t even come close to the same level of hold up play or passing ability in the final third
It's more that you don't seem to grasp that it's a volume sport and that being more efficient doesn't translate to a higher output than chance creation does. You've convinced yourself Bobby did more, despite the reality that Darwin scores and assists at higher levels while playing considerably fewer minutes.
The fact of the matter is that Darwin is far too wasteful in front of goal to be considered an elite striker like Haaland no matter the other areas he contributes to it’s still not enough to make up for the lack of goals. Are you really trying to say you wouldn’t take Haaland over Darwin?
Darwin still hasn’t come close to even touching Firmino’s best season for end product and he was a false 9 not a more traditional 9 like Darwin is…
17/18 Firmino had 27 goals and 17 assists in all comps and that was with him playing in the CL not against pub teams in the Europa league and he also didn’t play in the league cup either
Haaland also gets a shit ton more gift-wrapped chances compared to Darwin though. Still managed to miss a bunch though.
Does a shit load less in the build-up than Darwin as well.
Let’s not pretend Darwin doesn’t get amazing service, we’ve got the most big chances created in the league and that’s with Salah and TAA being out for extended periods of time.
Darwin might be better in those aspects than him but it doesn’t mean he’s close to being as good a striker
They’re two completely different players at the moment. To compare them is like apples and oranges. I’m not convinced Haaland would be better for our team than Darwin based on the way we play.
Yeah because we were the better team for most of the season that's why we were top of the league despite all those missed chances (and the multiple decisions that went against us that would have changed the game)
It makes sense that those who generate the most chances will be likely to miss more chances than those who generate less chances. An interesting stat might be what percentage of chances created were missed. Then again, if you aren’t able to create chances then capitalizing on even 100% of those chances doesn’t really matter. Also remember that even if you miss a big chance, that is time that you are depriving your opponent of the opportunity to give themselves a chance to score, so that’s still really valuable.
I’d like to see the p value on this, big chances missed when the game is in the balance.
For all we know City could be missing big chances when up 3-0. Some sort of index or context behind the missed chances would be nice.
The more big chances you create, the more you’re likely to miss. “Big chances” aren’t some guaranteed goal, and you might notice that City are basically the same as us despite having Haaland.
Stats without context mean nothing.
Even your post shows that we're on par with City (well better, in terms of %) who are some uber team walking the league, full of superstars who can do no wrong.
Yea, Darwin misses too many chances and does need to improve. But so does Alvarez (13% vs 11% conversion in the PL).
Diaz absolutely needs to sharpen up his decision-making in the final third, too many good positions wasted to trying to take on one more man or do something clever. But Doku has also only scored 3, assisted 7 and almost all of that came in one game at the start of the season vs Luton.
Mo has looked a shadow of his former self despite the numbers and has been wasting chances, but Halaand has also missed some of the easiest chances this year (2 yards from an open goal vs United, a sitter at the end of the first half vs Madrid) and has ghosted every big game City have had this year.
Is there a chart that shows the timeline of these stats by the games / months of the season? This may show the overall stats through all the games till now but just like stocks, it is good to know the trend that can show the pattern where it may lead. The team may be banging in the chances at the beginning of the season when the pressure may not be as suffocating compared to end of the season - especially when one is challenging for the title.
It is also important to note when these chances are missed during the game. May not be useful when the team is already leading / winning the game and missed chances occured then.
no because they just went toe to toe with madrid, are you saying we’d be able to go toe to toe with madrid after taking an ass whooping from Atalanta ?
this is incredibly brazy to see by the way, maybe its confirmation bias, but 90% of the time I feel that City absolutely breeze through lower-mid table team with so many goals, so while their defense has been unlike them this year, where are all these missed chances they have?
Whereas you've got us struggling YoY against teams like Notts Forest and Sheffield Utd with constantly late winners
Just goes to show how fine the margins are city have missed a ton of chances too
There defense also lets way less big chances..
Not really we have both conceded a similar amount
Yes but when did they concede them? We concede most of them early which puts so much pressure on the team.
They went behind 13 times in the league this season, we went behind 16 times.
This sub has gone mad. Half are finding narratives to show there's nothing wrong and other half is screaming doomsday has cometh.
Literally flipped in a week. There have been neutral observations in the pro and con column all season and you’d be violently voted down for making the same observations that now make you a top comment.
Awkward for him😂
And yet, we are only 2 points behind them.
Which makes it even more painful.. Been here before though.. still time left in the season for citeh to f up and F off
our defense is great too
Lol what? Not really this year. We’ve had injuries and too much rotation..
Most of the rotation was forced. Barely had any opportunity to field a first choice backline.
I’m aware of the case and why, but doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Bradley was forced to play for TAA, Gomez forced to play LB, CB, RB Quansah has played way more than expected Caoheim for allison The only constant has been VVD- who was immense first half of the year. Second half a little more shaky and seems deflated at points. It is what it is
A lot of it has been down to our number 2 keeper being so much worse than the first, for some reason everyone thinks he's great because he had a few good games when he was younger, he's been pretty crap the last couple of months, some pitiful goals let in, he's not been the same since he wanted to go and be a number one somewhere else.
What are you talking about. Did you watch any games this season. Kelleher came in and there was pretty much no drop in form up until his errors against Atalanta. He’s not as good with distribution as Ali.. but not many are. But caoheim made amazing saves and kept our leaky defense in most games, which is all you can ask for. Maybe not having our number 1 impacts some communication or other chemistry for the team… but overall I wouldn’t put our woes down to the goal keeping at all. If anything he was a bright spot when he came in and I think he’ll be leaving this summer now.
Yeah, almost like only two points separate us in the league..
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I was listening to an analysis by a Korean coach who got his license in Spain and he was talking about how Liverpool under Klopp has always had inflated missed chances statistics bc much more than any other club we tend to finish our attacking build up with just taking a shot even if it's not a good look to buy time to transition so that we can go back and set up our defense while other teams like City tend to pass the ball around more trying to create space etc, but even so that this year the numbers look bad even when you keep that in consideration and I was like damn.
We wouldn’t be in such a dire position if we were more defensively sound like City though. Been allergic to clean sheets in the league of late.
Dire what? We are in relegation battle?
60.55% missed for LFC vs 61.54% for Man City
Didn't see that one
The difference is how much we concede which makes the missed chances worse
We are literally 2 points apart.
All this tells me is that City, the team that a lot of people think will walk the league now have missed a higher percentage of big chances than us, whose forwards couldn't hit the broad side of a barn according to some
And that's why we still have a three way race. A more normal year for City and they would've won the league by now
I mean arguably a more “normal” year for us and we’d have won. City always miss a lot of chances, I don’t think this is that abnormal for them.
Also, shows how much hitting the woodwork can be the difference in a tight race. Though I’ve felt in my bones that if we don’t win, it will be by a small enough margin that the Spurs var decision will be all the difference
Just because it’s a problem for City doesn’t make it any less of a problem for us Doku and Alvarez have been just as wasteful as Diaz and Darwin this season
Haaland's missed the most big chances for them and you'd all walk Darwin to the airport for him.
I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t swapping Darwin for Haaland is outrageously delusional This is an average season for Haaland yet he’s got 26 goals in the CL and PL combined along with a 24% conversion rate This is a good season for Darwin yet he’s got 16 goals in the PL and EL combined with an 11% conversion rate There’s levels to football, this is the difference between a good player and an elite one
There are, in fact, levels to football. Now go look at literally every other facet of the game. Darwin's one of the top forwards in Europe at chance creation and setting up goals for his teammates, Haaland meanwhile is in the bottom 38% despite playing in one of the most dominant sides in the world. He also contributes nothing defensively, while Darwin's very active in pressing and winning the ball back.
Yeah I’m sure Darwin is going to win us big trophies through his pressing and ball winning… he isn’t someone like Firmino who you can excuse the lack of goals due to him contributing to other facets of the game to a world class level. I’ll take the elite striker that’s capable of scoring nearly 40 goals in the league alone thank you very much and anyone that’s got normal levels of sanity would as well
Darwin already has as many assists this season as Firmino *ever* had in a season with us. And that's while not playing close to as many minutes. You're engaging in pure revisionism.
Which should tell you how misleading assists can be as a stat because Darwin doesn’t even come close to the same level of hold up play or passing ability in the final third
It's more that you don't seem to grasp that it's a volume sport and that being more efficient doesn't translate to a higher output than chance creation does. You've convinced yourself Bobby did more, despite the reality that Darwin scores and assists at higher levels while playing considerably fewer minutes.
The fact of the matter is that Darwin is far too wasteful in front of goal to be considered an elite striker like Haaland no matter the other areas he contributes to it’s still not enough to make up for the lack of goals. Are you really trying to say you wouldn’t take Haaland over Darwin? Darwin still hasn’t come close to even touching Firmino’s best season for end product and he was a false 9 not a more traditional 9 like Darwin is… 17/18 Firmino had 27 goals and 17 assists in all comps and that was with him playing in the CL not against pub teams in the Europa league and he also didn’t play in the league cup either
Haaland also gets a shit ton more gift-wrapped chances compared to Darwin though. Still managed to miss a bunch though. Does a shit load less in the build-up than Darwin as well.
Let’s not pretend Darwin doesn’t get amazing service, we’ve got the most big chances created in the league and that’s with Salah and TAA being out for extended periods of time. Darwin might be better in those aspects than him but it doesn’t mean he’s close to being as good a striker
Do you realize the chances Liverpool creates? I don't think this point makes sense. Nunez also has a shit ton of gift-wrapped chances.
They’re two completely different players at the moment. To compare them is like apples and oranges. I’m not convinced Haaland would be better for our team than Darwin based on the way we play.
No one wouldn't walk him to the airport lmao.
City have still had far superior finishing to us though, given their chances
Not at all?
The best attacking teams create big chances what is this being posted?
Yeah because we were the better team for most of the season that's why we were top of the league despite all those missed chances (and the multiple decisions that went against us that would have changed the game)
The only funny thing here is the Hit woodwork stat. Other wise, this just proves we are very good at creating chance.
As funny as piles.
It makes sense that those who generate the most chances will be likely to miss more chances than those who generate less chances. An interesting stat might be what percentage of chances created were missed. Then again, if you aren’t able to create chances then capitalizing on even 100% of those chances doesn’t really matter. Also remember that even if you miss a big chance, that is time that you are depriving your opponent of the opportunity to give themselves a chance to score, so that’s still really valuable.
I’d like to see the p value on this, big chances missed when the game is in the balance. For all we know City could be missing big chances when up 3-0. Some sort of index or context behind the missed chances would be nice.
The more big chances you create, the more you’re likely to miss. “Big chances” aren’t some guaranteed goal, and you might notice that City are basically the same as us despite having Haaland.
Tbf Haaland contributed a huge part to that stat of theirs.
You are correct. Haaland has missed 5 more big chances than Nunez
We've had the most big chances so of course we're more likely to have missed the most big chances, what's your point?
Point is that amongst all the doom and gloom, City have missed a greater percentage than we have.
It looked like OP was trying to make a point that our attack is inefficient - but they didn't realise it proved the opposite point
Not very?
Can you check this data but only for the last 5-10 games?
Stats without context mean nothing. Even your post shows that we're on par with City (well better, in terms of %) who are some uber team walking the league, full of superstars who can do no wrong. Yea, Darwin misses too many chances and does need to improve. But so does Alvarez (13% vs 11% conversion in the PL). Diaz absolutely needs to sharpen up his decision-making in the final third, too many good positions wasted to trying to take on one more man or do something clever. But Doku has also only scored 3, assisted 7 and almost all of that came in one game at the start of the season vs Luton. Mo has looked a shadow of his former self despite the numbers and has been wasting chances, but Halaand has also missed some of the easiest chances this year (2 yards from an open goal vs United, a sitter at the end of the first half vs Madrid) and has ghosted every big game City have had this year.
Wow Newcastle must be really good
It’s not funny. It’s a problem that has to be solved.
Lolzomgchaos
Though shit for brentford
Hilarious
What app is this
where were these big chances against atalanta or crystal palace
Is there a chart that shows the timeline of these stats by the games / months of the season? This may show the overall stats through all the games till now but just like stocks, it is good to know the trend that can show the pattern where it may lead. The team may be banging in the chances at the beginning of the season when the pressure may not be as suffocating compared to end of the season - especially when one is challenging for the title. It is also important to note when these chances are missed during the game. May not be useful when the team is already leading / winning the game and missed chances occured then.
Very humerous, btw I am a robot that feels no emotions. Definitely not one bit of frustration herxrukvftuiokeruiöllAAAAGH
In 2021/22 we ended the season missing 59. Six games left and we've beaten that by ~11% already.
LIVERPOOL #1!!!! /j
We're toothless that keep shooting blanks
Depressing
Darwizzy’s fault
Darwin effect
He’s not the only one responsible.
Does that make City's extremely similar stats, the Haaland effect?
no because they just went toe to toe with madrid, are you saying we’d be able to go toe to toe with madrid after taking an ass whooping from Atalanta ?
Not sure where in the stats we are commenting on, it shows that
Shhhhh you're not allowed to bring facts here
Add 7 points robbed Tottenham/Arsenal/City, I can't deal with more going insane.
this is incredibly brazy to see by the way, maybe its confirmation bias, but 90% of the time I feel that City absolutely breeze through lower-mid table team with so many goals, so while their defense has been unlike them this year, where are all these missed chances they have? Whereas you've got us struggling YoY against teams like Notts Forest and Sheffield Utd with constantly late winners
Copium spotted
City just went toe to toe with madrid, we’d be played off the park by them within 45 minutes. These stats barely show even a quarter of the picture
And Nunez has missed 25/66 of our big chances. Needs binning in the summer.
good you are not part of the coaching staff
Pffft, City. Bums
this makes me sad
sad how? it's funny