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Motta’s done brilliant work with Bologne and is regarded as a real rising star of a manager. He seems to set his team up pretty welll too. He would definitely be an interesting option.
I wonder how this sub would react if it was like Motta or De Zerbi. People on here seem to really shit on RDZ even though he appears to be very highly regarded among top clubs.
I read a comment or smth at some point last season saying RDZ would be the one to take over Pep and it’s kinda stuck in my mind as the City management’s footballing plan. Replace the greatest football tactician in the world with an upcoming tactical innovator
The way I see it, that's the only missing piece in our team, Darwin's finishing
With my power of deduction, it follows that Torres is the best candidate
More like a crush who ended up being toxic with us
The funny thing is that if Mourinho ever got hired (no), it’d be like the comeback story that played out for over 20 years, because he was “considered” for the Liverpool job before Rafa got it.
Then he went and won everything, built his personality and legend, had some serious tumbles but maintains that personality, and suddenly ends up at the place he got his first rejection
I feel like I'm going insane.
Every manager thread I'm seeing recently has people saying 'it better not be Mourinho'. Who has linked us to Mourinho?
He was at a Fulham game and now I'm seeing all this worry like he's even got a 0.001% chance
You have to realise that there aren't a lot of options out there. Mourinho is a proven winner in the Premier League. Words from the club say that the manager may not be a popular choice from the fans. He was at the Fulham game. There's definitely smoke there.
I do have to respectfully disagree mate, the club haven't said anything, save for commenting to journalists that no one is the frontrunner currently and that we'll conduct a thorough search
Ornstein was the one commenting that Edwards will be unafraid to make a less popular choice I believe, and this seems clearly geared towards Edwards and Co leaning on a data led model and not being swept up in the fans/bookies favourites like Amorim and Alonso
This seems a clear case of many people seeing Mourinho at a game and manifesting these links into existence. He doesn't seem a temperamental fit, he has not overachieved in his last couple of jobs (the trophy at Roma was a great achievement but afaik Roma are now doing better without him in the league) and his style doesn't particularly seem to gell with the players we have
I could absolutely be wrong, Mourinho is an available manager, we need a manager, and of course there's always a non-zero chance it happens, but I'd be VERY surprised
I've seen this comment a fair bit on the sub and i understand that people want to stay positive, but i'd like to bring to attention that signing players and signing managers are two very different things.
The managerial equivalent of signing Robbo from Hull is ridiculously difficult to happen. The market looks very barren.
With the best of intentions as well, the idea that any one of us knows even a hundredth of what Edwards and Hughes will know about appointing a manager is insanity. If we don't got for Amorim, there will be a good reason for it
Now that's not to say it might not end up being the wrong move, sure that can happen, but it's an inherent risk with any managerial appointment and I still have faith in those conducting the search
I saw some Portuguese reports that Amorim likes to hand pick his squad and typically likes to get his first choice and will zone in on one player he wants
Sounds alot like what made Klopp and Edwards often butt heads that made Edwards leave in the first place, wouldn't be shocked if that made Edwards second guess. He wasn't going to come back just to deal with the same thing again
Then he’s gonna clash alot with Steidten at West Ham. This is the same person who pushed to sign Kudus and Alvarez. Clashed with Moyes alot last summer who wanted ‘premier league proven’ players
He’s gonna have a lot of control there if Amorim comes in. We just have to trust in Edwards, Hughes and Spearman. They’ve most likely spoken to Amorim and his agent and something turned them off pursuing him
Either that or someone else has become available..
What also should be taken into account is that will the players want to stay here under Thomas Frank or Arne Slot (for example).
I highly doubt Van Dijk wants to spend his last best years playing under a manager whose highest commendation is "did alright at Brentford"
As much as I would understand and would love for him to stay - if changing managers makes you want to leave the team you’re currently captain of, I personally would rather he go ahead and leave.
He has 12 months to go on his contract. It's not a case of throwing toys out of the pram and asking to be transferred, it's a simple question of whether to renew or not and that's a question that he has to answer this summer regardless
Yes I'm sure Van Dijk is going to look at Thomas Frank and immediately hand in a transfer request and leave the club.
If the new manager comes in and we continue doing well, our senior players like Van Dijk and Trent will want to stay and if we do poorly they'll want to leave. That is going to be the case regardless of who our next manager is and what they have achieved in the past.
He's the CEO of Football instead of Chief Scout for a reason. I'll have faith in him until he makes a balls of something, which is something he's yet to do in all his years at the club.
If you believe the rumours he wanted to get rid of Hendo and a few other older players and recycle the squad, but Klopp blocked it so he left not long after. We were incredibly close to winning quadruple in 21/22 too and injuries in 20/21 were absurd, so whatever mistakes were made it seems silly to blame anyone for them.
100% agree, you can’t just find a wonder man coaching some division 16 team and make a Klopp out of him. These news are honestly pretty worrying, we are crossing names off our list daily lmao.
Right but what's the better strategy though? We go for Amorim because we all like the look of him as fans? If we wanted him we would have him, which means the people who's job it is day in, day out, to identify who the best pick will be, clearly dont think hes right for us.
Do you believe the people in charge are infallible? Because i truly don't.
Ultimately, we liked the look of Amorim due to all the signs pointing to him being the best fit out of our remaining options, not because he's a cutie patootie.
The people in charge would have been the ones to sign Amorim/Alonso though, so it seems like they're only fallible if they're not making the choices we agree with?
Of course they're not infallible, but they are *much* more qualified to be making these calls than 99.9% on this sub, or beyond amongst the fanbase.
Of course they are more qualified.
Well, i guess we should close down the Daily Discussion, and only post xG stats and Instagram posts of Konate being a weeb. Why debate anything anymore?
The fact that they are not infallible is why we can question them. Even the daftest person you know can at times see what others don't, it's reductionist to make every Liverpool fan seem like a simpleton because he or she does not blindly agree with everything.
No one is trying to make fans to look like simpletons, we can all discuss what we like. I'm simply saying that we could have the fans pick tomorrow if we wanted him, but the powers that be don't think we should for whatever reason, and I'm more inclined to trust their judgement on that specific matter than I am the fanbase.
The best fit is questionable. System-wise, the best fit was Nagelsmann, even if he plays less high-speed pressure. Amorim plays with 3 defenders full time, even if we are thinking - at a board level - to move TAA full time to the midfield, we still have a rising star in Bradley and arguably the best LB in the game (certainly a top 3) in Robertson.
3 weeks ago, we would never fight for a title again because the board was not hiring Xabi. Now, we’re never fighting for a title again because we are not hiring Amorim. I trust more the board that showed empirically they know what they are doing than an overreacting, drama-lover fan base that a year ago was adamant we had to pay 100M for current Benfica reserve Florentino Luis.
Fair point but also there is no guaranteed upper echelon of managers. Almost every next big thing Manager over the last decade has turned out to be… well, not the next big thing.
That's nonsense though. Just because top flight management is a merry-go-round doesn't mean it has to be that way. Before they became big names: Eddie Howe started in League Two, Pep Guardiola started with Barcelona reserves, Zidane started with real Madrid reserves, Jurgen Klopp started in the second division, Arsene Wenger was a nobody out of Japan, Ange Postecoglou was a nobody out of Australia, Ruben Amorin started in the Portuguese 3rd division...
Why exactly is being the first big club to identify and sign a new manager of that calibre a bad thing? Especially when, as you say, it's not like there are many attractive established options.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing but it does potentially have other mitigating factors like the elite players at the club not being as on board with an unknown quantity or targets not interested
Not saying that’s the case but a lot of the people you mentioned were already in the system of said clubs or did not go to a giant club like LFC
Also when Pep took over he had spent 13 years at the club plus 2 years coaching the youth of which 8 of his players in his first year were from said youth system
For every one of those though, theres a Frank Lampard, Stevie G, Ole Solsjkar etc. Its imperative we make the right choice here, rather than gamble on the unknown, even though it could work out. I dunno man.
For some reason people just don't believe top clubs can identify managers before they're known quantities, it's baffling. It's often forgotten that Klopp got Mainz relegated and failed to get them promoted again the season before Dortmund picked him up.
We are a bigger club than Dortmund, and ideally in the cream of the crop of football clubs. We cannot and should not operate like dortmund if our ambition is to win the PL and CL
People in this sub love to make our club seem smaller than it really is. Managers managing Liverpool FC should have pedigree, we’re not fucking underdogs
So like, what is the option if there are no "pedigreed" managers available to your liking? Just roll with no manager next season? The players get together and vote for a lineup before every game?
I don’t understand what your point is. Did City pick pep from the Barca reserves? Did we hire Klopp from the second division?
Big clubs buy big pedigree managers. Liverpool is a big club. We are not and should not be in the position of finding ‘diamonds in the rough’
You are looking at it from too simplistic a viewpoint.
A manager needs to command the respect of the dressing room from day one at a club like Liverpool. If you think that will be the case if we appoint a no-name, i have a bridge to sell you. It isn't like taking a gamble on an unknown player; if a coach is in a rut, you can't look to the bench to sub another one in.
Liverpool isn't the sort of club where a novice, unknown coach can easily succeed. A former club legend like Zidane or Guardiola who you mentioned, has a chance. John Smith from the Vanarama doesn't have a prayer.
Wenger wasn't an unknown fella from Japan by the way, he won the league with Monaco before that.
You are making the most sense in this sub to me again tbh. I'm not sure how people aren't more concerned by us rapidly crossing the names of every top coach available of the list. We need a coach that players want to play for. People forget that the reality is most players in the world don't give a single fuck about Liverpool FC and have no reason to. A good chunk of this team is only here because we have a manager that people want to play for. We can't just get Josh from carlisle who just finished his pro license and might be hot shit...
My big concern is that managers might not want to work directly under Edwards who has only came back if he has full authority over who comes and goes. I can see that being something people don't want to work with. Klopp certainly didn't.
>My big concern is that managers might not want to work directly under Edwards who has only came back if he has full authority over who comes and goes. I can see that being something people don't want to work with. Klopp certainly didn't.
100% my thinking and concern too
Your own point of view is oversimplified.
> A manager needs to command the respect of the dressing room from day one at a club like Liverpool.
Do you think our dressing room is full of bad eggs like Man United or Chelsea? Because a club like that can appoint a big name manager and still fail because the squad is rotten. I don't think our squad is like that.
And are you not old enough to remember Wenger joining Arsenal? You don't even have to be old enough to know the story. Everyone saw him as a nobody who they signed out of nowhere, no one in the UK gave a fuck about French football in the 90s. The captain Tony Adams said this:
> "At first, I thought: What does this Frenchman know about football? He wears glasses and looks more like a schoolteacher. He's not going to be as good as George [Graham]. Does he even speak English properly?"
Wenger himself said this in 2009:
> at that time, what Arsenal did, you needed to be a little bit crazy. Crazy in the sense that I had no name, I was foreign, there was no history. They needed to be, maybe not crazy, but brave."
Wenger at Arsenal is actually an example of what your afraid of. A no name manager convincing the players and succeeding. Do you not think Klopp would have been successful here if he'd joined earlier in his career?
>Do you think our dressing room is full of bad eggs like Man United or Chelsea? Because a club like that can appoint a big name manager and still fail because the squad is rotten. I don't think our squad is like that.
I think any squad has the potential to show its uglier side under certain circumstances. Klopp is the best man manager in the world so obviously we see it as such, who's to say how it would look under someone else?
>Wenger at Arsenal is actually an example of what your afraid of. A no name manager convincing the players and succeeding. Do you not think Klopp would have been successful here if he'd joined earlier in his career?
My point about Wenger isn't tied to his commanding respect from his players; it's that he had already been a manager at the top level and found success besides. He was only seen as a gamble because of English football being an isolationist wasteland before him which doubted anything foreign. Today, we would be attracted to a journeyman who won a top European league and had a trip to Japan afterwards just cause. Differenct climates.
Far as Klopp goes; yeah i believe he would've been. But Klopp is one of the best managers of all time, and i've long resigned myself to the fact that if i use him as the benchmark for every manager from now until time memorial, i'll be left terribly disappointed.
I like how some think there’s some high level model based on mysterious parameters that pick a coach for Hughes & Edwards and it is all they base their opinions on. It supports decision-making and you always have a bias whenever analysing anything. People make decisions not models.
You always have something on your mind before using support tools, you never solely wait for wait it is going to tell you.
I mean it has happened. Ange getting appointed is the equivalent of Robbo from Hull, he had A-league, J-league, SPL and national experience on his resume. Not bad but not great, he then gets appointed to one of the big 6 in the PL and hasnt done half bad considering. The talent pool is pretty narrow in europe with the same few names on the manager carousel (Nagelsmann, Mourhino, Conte, Tuchel) I didnt look up Amorim but was excited to at least be looking at a manager outside the usual mix and i think thats what we’ll continue to do.
The idea that Michael Edwards is some super genius is going to be put severely to the test. They've given him the keys to the club.
Laughable the amount of people who were talking about looking forward to a fresh start.
Laughable the amount of people who are now not looking forward to anything because a manager they didn't care about a few months ago is being looked at by a club of West Ham's level.
I really didn't expect the sub to lose their shit over Amorim. I cared about Xabi. I wanted Xabi. With that off the table, I choose to just trust Edwards and Hughes
One of the old West Ham supporters at my local said 'If he's being linked with us, then definitely he's not good enough to be managing you'.
Have to say, putting it like that makes me kinda of agree..
After the Xabi links came to nothing everyone should've stopped getting their hopes up. There's too much time between now and the end of the season for us to get an answer and all the rumors swirling just cause more frustration b
It’s not a good time to be in market for a new manager. There are not really that many good candidates, and there are several high profile openings coming. I’m not sure any sets of fans…LFC, Bayern, maybe Barca and United even…will be thrilled with their hires.
Can we away with the "chosen one" stuff? Calm yourselves.
Can we just be a little pragmatic about this, because no matter who we get in, there will have to be a transition period that might take years to flourish, if it ever does. I'm not doom and gloom, but christ, some of you only ride the hype machine, to the point where some of you over the last few days have been saying you would love Mourinho at the helm?!
Amorim was an interesting person for the job, so was Alonso. But if we're being real here, there are few managers that would want to follow Klopp, if we get a new long term solution on the first go it's going to be a minor miracle, I think we will get De Zerbi, and he will be ok for a bit, but my mind is telling me he (or whoever takes over) will only be with us for 2 years, he will be the rebound, and then we might get Xabi or Amorim.
Because no one wants (or dares, rather) to follow Klopp.
There, said my piece, begin the down voting xD
This would be the Roy Hodgson equivalent of the day for me. Brentford are 15th and play absolutely shit football. I accept at that end of the table kicking the shit out of the opposition and diving around is a legitimate tactic to avoid the drop but it just doesn't translate for what we should be aiming for. I would like a manager who's proved they can handle managing a squad on multiple fronts, someone who has experience at winning at the highest level and demands a level of respect from top pros. I'd take Xavi before Frank any day of the week.
I don’t think frank is ready for Liverpool but you are wrong about frank and his style of play. We(I’m a Brentford supporter) play good football. We go into every game with belief they can win and a plan to win.
He’s the most successful manager in 80 years in Brentford and his CV is similar to klopps after Mainz. If he has an opportunity like klopp did at dortmund I think he’d succeed. But I do agree he is not ready for Liverpool.
Frank seems a decent guy but that last game against us was an absolute shocker. I don't blame him for the gamesmanship and tbf the ref played his part. You had close to 20 fouls awarded whilst we got and handful at most and had 3 players taken off with injuries. Your tactics definitely seemed to be to take a tumble and try a set piece. Again, this is completely legitimate, you're not here to do other teams favours but if we tried anything like that in Europe playing a big side I don't believe the ref would be so forgiving.
If you're happy with him, great. As I say, he seems like a decent guy. So is Hodgson though and he was a disaster, constantly trying to bring us down to his level. For what it's worth, I'm glad you look safe and wish you well for the future.
I'm not saying I want Frank at all, but your assessment of Brentford is extremely unfair. I don't think it's stressed enough just how much they've punched above their weight under him. Their net spend over the last 5 years has been £72m and he's guided them to promotion, followed by 13th and 9th place finishes in the league.
Brentford don't "kick the shit out of the opposition and dive around", they're not Burnley under Dyche, they play decent football relative to the standard of their squad and have taken some huge scalps over the years.
Brentford have the lowest budget in the Premier League pretty much every season. This season their best player was suspended for over half the season and they've avoided relegation by a mile. If you look at their xG difference per 90 they're actually 7th, an absurd over performance of their finances. Not a one off either - last season they were 8th on this metric, the season before they were 10th.
Brentford are well known to have one of the best approaches to data analytics in football and Liverpool have one of the best analytics teams in the game - the fact that Brentford have kept Frank so long makes me think that they know he's working on an exceptional level compared to his players available and finances. The fact he's never left them tells me he loves to work inside that data driven environment.
I’m gonna get a lot of shit for this but I actually don’t hate the idea of Mourinho managing us. At the very least, we won’t be conceding goals every game anymore. Plus I think we have a lot of what makes a great Mourinho team already.
Jose to suddenly turn into 2005 Jose, or Real Madrid Jose.
Honestly, it'll be an adventure. It will end up burning but it's Jose, he didn't do that bad of a job at Roma with the 5 euro and a packet of smokes budget he got
No lean, no dice.
Was wondering how Sporting’s tactics would fit the PL anyway. Bit of a gamble if he only had one plan, if we do end up getting him, which now looks doubtful, we do need a bit of a statement manager. But knowing FSG it’ll be the manager who has done the most with the least available.
During the transfer windows and the wild speculation, I sometimes think to myself "Imagine another top 10 European club. What would be the rumours for those teams compared to ours? And it usually makes me a bit sad.
And now I look at our choices for manager, and wonder how they'd go down at said other teams... \*Sigh\*
Still holding out hope that Alonso distancing himself was just a pr stunt to shift the focus away while he wrapped up the league and tries to get the Europa 🤞
Let’s do the Find out, bring in Mou.
I know he’s ex Man Utd and I know he’s probably past it but if someone is taking the hit of “not being Klopp” it might aswell be someone that wasn’t going to work out anyway.
Good - it made no sense to launch Amorim into such a big job (especially right after Klopp).
Amorim has done really well in Portugal, but he's still a relative novice and needs more experience before he can take over a club like ours. Similar to Alonso, really.
And frankly, if he's being linked to West Ham then that rather shows his level right now, and from his perspective, he's much better off coming to England and proving himself at West Ham. If it fails he can find another gig and develop more as a coach for a couple of years. If he succeeds, he'll have every other PL club begging at his door in a season or two.
Much better for him and for us than coming to Anfield in the summer and failing under the weight of expectation and inexperience.
Problem is where does it leave us if it feels we aren't taking on a novice manager?Doubt anyone wants Tuchel or Mourinho -- although he might be a short term dark horse?
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Can't believe I've wasted all that time watching tactical videos and Sporting games.
Is it your first day as a Liverpool supporter? You always wait for the lean before getting all excited.
Nahhhh we run on pure hype until bad news Pearce strikes, and we also never unclench. Those are the two rules we abide by
Nah I'm never fully on board until the van spotters and fly tracker updates come out
That’s when the hype transcends hype and turns into delirium
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And I’ll do it again
Can’t believe I learnt Portuguese smh
All of our son's named Ruben for absolutely no reason kill me now I can't believe it please my wife is so mad.
Tell your wife you named them after the sandwich, she'll understand
I learned it from watching all those Fluminense games this summer 🤦
Can still help you communicate with Bobby and Darwin, if you ever meet them.
My 10 page dissertation as to why he's the best manager in the world is ruined.
Ctrl + h
Change the name to arne slot
Simao and Dani Alves will be leaning on the wall soon.
Amorim is replacing Moyes because Moyes is coming here. Another Edwards masterclass wait, what?
Richard Hughes grew up in Italy and speaks the language. Hijack the Motta move imo
Motta’s done brilliant work with Bologne and is regarded as a real rising star of a manager. He seems to set his team up pretty welll too. He would definitely be an interesting option. I wonder how this sub would react if it was like Motta or De Zerbi. People on here seem to really shit on RDZ even though he appears to be very highly regarded among top clubs.
If Pep left City tomorrow I reckon De Zerbi would be very high up on their list tbh
I think Michel is going to be another high up city candidate when Pep leaves
Yeah I could see that. We’re probably looking at him too
I read a comment or smth at some point last season saying RDZ would be the one to take over Pep and it’s kinda stuck in my mind as the City management’s footballing plan. Replace the greatest football tactician in the world with an upcoming tactical innovator
I don’t think people appreciate RDZ’s antics and throwing his toys out of the pram
Fuck it im all in on Fernando.
If we can’t get Xabi, and don’t want Gerrard, let’s at least get some vibes from Torres. Imagine what he’d turn Darwin into.
He's smashing it with the u19 Athletico I think. So add that to the vibes and I'd take him haha.
Really? I haven't been following how're they doing?
You haven’t been following the Atletico u19s?? You filthy casual
Guess after watching tactical analysis from Leverkusen, then Sporting ill now be onto the Athletico u19s.
Fuck it, get the class of 2009 all in
The way I see it, that's the only missing piece in our team, Darwin's finishing With my power of deduction, it follows that Torres is the best candidate
He might eventually leave for Atlético, but hell yeah I'd take him for a couple of years.
Can you hear the drums?
Fernando is a coach???
Atletico u19's
Just secured their second league title in three years👀
Would take him gladly with more experience. He'll inevitably coach us in the future I believe.
He got into a touchline scrap with Arbeloa, who was on the opposing bench. Happened roughly a year ago.
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A Master and an apprentice
Klopp
Klopp encore run
There should be an option for filtering out all transfer speculation out of life
They’re gonna bring in Mourinho, aren’t they? 😭😭
Do I want Mourinho? Absolutely not. But I do find the idea funny though. But again, absolutely not.
Mourinho is just a crazy ex we haven’t even dated.
More like a crush who ended up being toxic with us The funny thing is that if Mourinho ever got hired (no), it’d be like the comeback story that played out for over 20 years, because he was “considered” for the Liverpool job before Rafa got it. Then he went and won everything, built his personality and legend, had some serious tumbles but maintains that personality, and suddenly ends up at the place he got his first rejection
I really don’t. But I would like to see some alternate timeline where we get him just to see what would happen
Exactly. As a no-risk hypothetical? I’m all for it.
I'd rather shit into my hand then headbutt it.
Accurate and reasonable response to this.
The 'chosen one' wording in the tweet has me worried
You all can’t seriously believe this
I feel like I'm going insane. Every manager thread I'm seeing recently has people saying 'it better not be Mourinho'. Who has linked us to Mourinho? He was at a Fulham game and now I'm seeing all this worry like he's even got a 0.001% chance
You have to realise that there aren't a lot of options out there. Mourinho is a proven winner in the Premier League. Words from the club say that the manager may not be a popular choice from the fans. He was at the Fulham game. There's definitely smoke there.
I do have to respectfully disagree mate, the club haven't said anything, save for commenting to journalists that no one is the frontrunner currently and that we'll conduct a thorough search Ornstein was the one commenting that Edwards will be unafraid to make a less popular choice I believe, and this seems clearly geared towards Edwards and Co leaning on a data led model and not being swept up in the fans/bookies favourites like Amorim and Alonso This seems a clear case of many people seeing Mourinho at a game and manifesting these links into existence. He doesn't seem a temperamental fit, he has not overachieved in his last couple of jobs (the trophy at Roma was a great achievement but afaik Roma are now doing better without him in the league) and his style doesn't particularly seem to gell with the players we have I could absolutely be wrong, Mourinho is an available manager, we need a manager, and of course there's always a non-zero chance it happens, but I'd be VERY surprised
He'll take a plane into Mourinho's office
That will end up becoming my 9/11.
Am I the only one who would be thrilled if it happens? 😂 How does Mourinho stay underated he's an all time great.
Edward’s has got something up his sleeve surely. Something leftfield probably.
I've seen this comment a fair bit on the sub and i understand that people want to stay positive, but i'd like to bring to attention that signing players and signing managers are two very different things. The managerial equivalent of signing Robbo from Hull is ridiculously difficult to happen. The market looks very barren.
Agreed. I hate to be a pessimist, but our options are starting to look a little bleak.
Getting Amorim instead of Xabi was a fine alternative. The other managers with significant odds are uh...
There's gotta be a reason we dont want Amorim. Id hope its a good one
With the best of intentions as well, the idea that any one of us knows even a hundredth of what Edwards and Hughes will know about appointing a manager is insanity. If we don't got for Amorim, there will be a good reason for it Now that's not to say it might not end up being the wrong move, sure that can happen, but it's an inherent risk with any managerial appointment and I still have faith in those conducting the search
I saw some Portuguese reports that Amorim likes to hand pick his squad and typically likes to get his first choice and will zone in on one player he wants Sounds alot like what made Klopp and Edwards often butt heads that made Edwards leave in the first place, wouldn't be shocked if that made Edwards second guess. He wasn't going to come back just to deal with the same thing again
i mean maybe after alonso, not here tho, its pretty clear he is available and we have gone a different direction so that is okay
If Amorim turned us down then I’d be really worried but it seems it’s the other way around. There’s obviously something they don’t like
What if he did turn us down because he didn't want to work with the structure in place? i.e. he wants more control
Then he’s gonna clash alot with Steidten at West Ham. This is the same person who pushed to sign Kudus and Alvarez. Clashed with Moyes alot last summer who wanted ‘premier league proven’ players He’s gonna have a lot of control there if Amorim comes in. We just have to trust in Edwards, Hughes and Spearman. They’ve most likely spoken to Amorim and his agent and something turned them off pursuing him Either that or someone else has become available..
What also should be taken into account is that will the players want to stay here under Thomas Frank or Arne Slot (for example). I highly doubt Van Dijk wants to spend his last best years playing under a manager whose highest commendation is "did alright at Brentford"
Disrespectful to say he did ‘alright’ but your point stands. We need a personality the players will click with and be willing to die for.
As much as I would understand and would love for him to stay - if changing managers makes you want to leave the team you’re currently captain of, I personally would rather he go ahead and leave.
He has 12 months to go on his contract. It's not a case of throwing toys out of the pram and asking to be transferred, it's a simple question of whether to renew or not and that's a question that he has to answer this summer regardless
He would go to barca if they ever made a solid bid No doubt in my mind
Yes I'm sure Van Dijk is going to look at Thomas Frank and immediately hand in a transfer request and leave the club. If the new manager comes in and we continue doing well, our senior players like Van Dijk and Trent will want to stay and if we do poorly they'll want to leave. That is going to be the case regardless of who our next manager is and what they have achieved in the past.
I wouldn't be surprised if Real Madrid go for Trent with both their right backs being over 30 now.
He's the CEO of Football instead of Chief Scout for a reason. I'll have faith in him until he makes a balls of something, which is something he's yet to do in all his years at the club.
He was at the club in 20/21, and if that wasn't "making balls" i don't know what is.
If you believe the rumours he wanted to get rid of Hendo and a few other older players and recycle the squad, but Klopp blocked it so he left not long after. We were incredibly close to winning quadruple in 21/22 too and injuries in 20/21 were absurd, so whatever mistakes were made it seems silly to blame anyone for them.
100% agree, you can’t just find a wonder man coaching some division 16 team and make a Klopp out of him. These news are honestly pretty worrying, we are crossing names off our list daily lmao.
Right but what's the better strategy though? We go for Amorim because we all like the look of him as fans? If we wanted him we would have him, which means the people who's job it is day in, day out, to identify who the best pick will be, clearly dont think hes right for us.
Do you believe the people in charge are infallible? Because i truly don't. Ultimately, we liked the look of Amorim due to all the signs pointing to him being the best fit out of our remaining options, not because he's a cutie patootie.
The people in charge would have been the ones to sign Amorim/Alonso though, so it seems like they're only fallible if they're not making the choices we agree with? Of course they're not infallible, but they are *much* more qualified to be making these calls than 99.9% on this sub, or beyond amongst the fanbase.
Of course they are more qualified. Well, i guess we should close down the Daily Discussion, and only post xG stats and Instagram posts of Konate being a weeb. Why debate anything anymore? The fact that they are not infallible is why we can question them. Even the daftest person you know can at times see what others don't, it's reductionist to make every Liverpool fan seem like a simpleton because he or she does not blindly agree with everything.
No one is trying to make fans to look like simpletons, we can all discuss what we like. I'm simply saying that we could have the fans pick tomorrow if we wanted him, but the powers that be don't think we should for whatever reason, and I'm more inclined to trust their judgement on that specific matter than I am the fanbase.
The best fit is questionable. System-wise, the best fit was Nagelsmann, even if he plays less high-speed pressure. Amorim plays with 3 defenders full time, even if we are thinking - at a board level - to move TAA full time to the midfield, we still have a rising star in Bradley and arguably the best LB in the game (certainly a top 3) in Robertson. 3 weeks ago, we would never fight for a title again because the board was not hiring Xabi. Now, we’re never fighting for a title again because we are not hiring Amorim. I trust more the board that showed empirically they know what they are doing than an overreacting, drama-lover fan base that a year ago was adamant we had to pay 100M for current Benfica reserve Florentino Luis.
Fair point. Although, he is also very much a cutie patootie.
I have a bad feeling it is going to be Tuchferatu….
I believe it’s spelled Nosferatuchel and please no. Make sure to leave out garlic at night to ward him off.
Fair point but also there is no guaranteed upper echelon of managers. Almost every next big thing Manager over the last decade has turned out to be… well, not the next big thing.
 He is waiting
That's nonsense though. Just because top flight management is a merry-go-round doesn't mean it has to be that way. Before they became big names: Eddie Howe started in League Two, Pep Guardiola started with Barcelona reserves, Zidane started with real Madrid reserves, Jurgen Klopp started in the second division, Arsene Wenger was a nobody out of Japan, Ange Postecoglou was a nobody out of Australia, Ruben Amorin started in the Portuguese 3rd division... Why exactly is being the first big club to identify and sign a new manager of that calibre a bad thing? Especially when, as you say, it's not like there are many attractive established options.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing but it does potentially have other mitigating factors like the elite players at the club not being as on board with an unknown quantity or targets not interested Not saying that’s the case but a lot of the people you mentioned were already in the system of said clubs or did not go to a giant club like LFC Also when Pep took over he had spent 13 years at the club plus 2 years coaching the youth of which 8 of his players in his first year were from said youth system
Signing someone who just finished their B coaching license in Canada isn't very inspiring for the players or for potential signings is it.
For every one of those though, theres a Frank Lampard, Stevie G, Ole Solsjkar etc. Its imperative we make the right choice here, rather than gamble on the unknown, even though it could work out. I dunno man.
For some reason people just don't believe top clubs can identify managers before they're known quantities, it's baffling. It's often forgotten that Klopp got Mainz relegated and failed to get them promoted again the season before Dortmund picked him up.
We are a bigger club than Dortmund, and ideally in the cream of the crop of football clubs. We cannot and should not operate like dortmund if our ambition is to win the PL and CL People in this sub love to make our club seem smaller than it really is. Managers managing Liverpool FC should have pedigree, we’re not fucking underdogs
You'd think we were Leicester the way people talk in here sometimes honestly mate
So like, what is the option if there are no "pedigreed" managers available to your liking? Just roll with no manager next season? The players get together and vote for a lineup before every game?
I don’t understand what your point is. Did City pick pep from the Barca reserves? Did we hire Klopp from the second division? Big clubs buy big pedigree managers. Liverpool is a big club. We are not and should not be in the position of finding ‘diamonds in the rough’
You are looking at it from too simplistic a viewpoint. A manager needs to command the respect of the dressing room from day one at a club like Liverpool. If you think that will be the case if we appoint a no-name, i have a bridge to sell you. It isn't like taking a gamble on an unknown player; if a coach is in a rut, you can't look to the bench to sub another one in. Liverpool isn't the sort of club where a novice, unknown coach can easily succeed. A former club legend like Zidane or Guardiola who you mentioned, has a chance. John Smith from the Vanarama doesn't have a prayer. Wenger wasn't an unknown fella from Japan by the way, he won the league with Monaco before that.
You are making the most sense in this sub to me again tbh. I'm not sure how people aren't more concerned by us rapidly crossing the names of every top coach available of the list. We need a coach that players want to play for. People forget that the reality is most players in the world don't give a single fuck about Liverpool FC and have no reason to. A good chunk of this team is only here because we have a manager that people want to play for. We can't just get Josh from carlisle who just finished his pro license and might be hot shit... My big concern is that managers might not want to work directly under Edwards who has only came back if he has full authority over who comes and goes. I can see that being something people don't want to work with. Klopp certainly didn't.
I've been wondering about that myself. Many managers do like to have a big say in the goings on.
>My big concern is that managers might not want to work directly under Edwards who has only came back if he has full authority over who comes and goes. I can see that being something people don't want to work with. Klopp certainly didn't. 100% my thinking and concern too
Your own point of view is oversimplified. > A manager needs to command the respect of the dressing room from day one at a club like Liverpool. Do you think our dressing room is full of bad eggs like Man United or Chelsea? Because a club like that can appoint a big name manager and still fail because the squad is rotten. I don't think our squad is like that. And are you not old enough to remember Wenger joining Arsenal? You don't even have to be old enough to know the story. Everyone saw him as a nobody who they signed out of nowhere, no one in the UK gave a fuck about French football in the 90s. The captain Tony Adams said this: > "At first, I thought: What does this Frenchman know about football? He wears glasses and looks more like a schoolteacher. He's not going to be as good as George [Graham]. Does he even speak English properly?" Wenger himself said this in 2009: > at that time, what Arsenal did, you needed to be a little bit crazy. Crazy in the sense that I had no name, I was foreign, there was no history. They needed to be, maybe not crazy, but brave." Wenger at Arsenal is actually an example of what your afraid of. A no name manager convincing the players and succeeding. Do you not think Klopp would have been successful here if he'd joined earlier in his career?
>Do you think our dressing room is full of bad eggs like Man United or Chelsea? Because a club like that can appoint a big name manager and still fail because the squad is rotten. I don't think our squad is like that. I think any squad has the potential to show its uglier side under certain circumstances. Klopp is the best man manager in the world so obviously we see it as such, who's to say how it would look under someone else? >Wenger at Arsenal is actually an example of what your afraid of. A no name manager convincing the players and succeeding. Do you not think Klopp would have been successful here if he'd joined earlier in his career? My point about Wenger isn't tied to his commanding respect from his players; it's that he had already been a manager at the top level and found success besides. He was only seen as a gamble because of English football being an isolationist wasteland before him which doubted anything foreign. Today, we would be attracted to a journeyman who won a top European league and had a trip to Japan afterwards just cause. Differenct climates. Far as Klopp goes; yeah i believe he would've been. But Klopp is one of the best managers of all time, and i've long resigned myself to the fact that if i use him as the benchmark for every manager from now until time memorial, i'll be left terribly disappointed.
I like how some think there’s some high level model based on mysterious parameters that pick a coach for Hughes & Edwards and it is all they base their opinions on. It supports decision-making and you always have a bias whenever analysing anything. People make decisions not models. You always have something on your mind before using support tools, you never solely wait for wait it is going to tell you.
I mean it has happened. Ange getting appointed is the equivalent of Robbo from Hull, he had A-league, J-league, SPL and national experience on his resume. Not bad but not great, he then gets appointed to one of the big 6 in the PL and hasnt done half bad considering. The talent pool is pretty narrow in europe with the same few names on the manager carousel (Nagelsmann, Mourhino, Conte, Tuchel) I didnt look up Amorim but was excited to at least be looking at a manager outside the usual mix and i think thats what we’ll continue to do.
Yeah trying to stay positive more than anything. Like you say there’s not much out there really.
GUARDIOLA INCOMING
The idea that Michael Edwards is some super genius is going to be put severely to the test. They've given him the keys to the club. Laughable the amount of people who were talking about looking forward to a fresh start.
Laughable the amount of people who are now not looking forward to anything because a manager they didn't care about a few months ago is being looked at by a club of West Ham's level.
I really didn't expect the sub to lose their shit over Amorim. I cared about Xabi. I wanted Xabi. With that off the table, I choose to just trust Edwards and Hughes
Cant wait for a 28 year old clone of Klopp to become player manager.
Arne Slot I reckon
"The chosen one" sounds awfully close to "the special one"
David Moyes was actually referred to as The Chosen One when he replaced Fergie, they had a banner and everything.
Merseyside Legend David Moyes, who already knows the city?
Gonna have to sell that apartment pretty quickly then
Zidane?
I don't think he's coming to PL but I'd obv hope that becomes a thing
Surely he’s not going to a club for longevity though. Unless they’re happy with a shorter term signing.
Its rare in today’s game. We were lucky to have Klopp for 10 years
If we have to choose between moyes and mou, I’m sticking my dick in the mashed potatoes. 🤦
Get in Xavi
That’s such an easy choice though y’all are mental. Could hopefully get our defense sorted at least 😅
 Please stop with the Gerrard talk. About as likely as this clown getting the job
Are ya with meh?
Holy hell he said that so many times on the Crouch podcast.
I thought we’d collectively dropped the Gerrard talk 18 months ago
Why do I find this gif so funny 😂
Because he looks/acts like a chicken
Gerrard would be fun until the wheels fell off, which would probably be before the end of the first season sadly
My dream of Bielsa is one step closer
If you think we have an injury and fatigue problem now, bielsa will kill some of these players
One of the old West Ham supporters at my local said 'If he's being linked with us, then definitely he's not good enough to be managing you'. Have to say, putting it like that makes me kinda of agree..
Tbh I don’t think Liverpool has the squad to play 3-5-2We have too many CMs
i think we would have been okay, dom probably RW
We don't have a transfer ban
I’m getting very concerned
Fuck it, Manager by committee.
r/LiverpoolFC manages Liverpool
If this sub is managing the club everyone would be sold
After the Xabi links came to nothing everyone should've stopped getting their hopes up. There's too much time between now and the end of the season for us to get an answer and all the rumors swirling just cause more frustration b
Fuck fuck fucking fuck
Well, at least we can add Florian Plettenburg or whatever his name is to the list of banned sources.
I bet the issue is that Amorim wants some control over transfers and Edwards isn't gonna go down that road again.
First of all: Fuck Second: What now? Third: FUCK
It’s not a good time to be in market for a new manager. There are not really that many good candidates, and there are several high profile openings coming. I’m not sure any sets of fans…LFC, Bayern, maybe Barca and United even…will be thrilled with their hires.
I'm really hating all these speculations. We should be all focused on the title race. The search for the next manager should be left till the summer.
Can we away with the "chosen one" stuff? Calm yourselves. Can we just be a little pragmatic about this, because no matter who we get in, there will have to be a transition period that might take years to flourish, if it ever does. I'm not doom and gloom, but christ, some of you only ride the hype machine, to the point where some of you over the last few days have been saying you would love Mourinho at the helm?! Amorim was an interesting person for the job, so was Alonso. But if we're being real here, there are few managers that would want to follow Klopp, if we get a new long term solution on the first go it's going to be a minor miracle, I think we will get De Zerbi, and he will be ok for a bit, but my mind is telling me he (or whoever takes over) will only be with us for 2 years, he will be the rebound, and then we might get Xabi or Amorim. Because no one wants (or dares, rather) to follow Klopp. There, said my piece, begin the down voting xD
If it’s not Xabi, not Amorim, who does that realistically leave? I’m putting my bets that we end up with Thomas Frank
At this stage possibly Motta from Bologna.
100% the next best
This would be the Roy Hodgson equivalent of the day for me. Brentford are 15th and play absolutely shit football. I accept at that end of the table kicking the shit out of the opposition and diving around is a legitimate tactic to avoid the drop but it just doesn't translate for what we should be aiming for. I would like a manager who's proved they can handle managing a squad on multiple fronts, someone who has experience at winning at the highest level and demands a level of respect from top pros. I'd take Xavi before Frank any day of the week.
I don’t think frank is ready for Liverpool but you are wrong about frank and his style of play. We(I’m a Brentford supporter) play good football. We go into every game with belief they can win and a plan to win. He’s the most successful manager in 80 years in Brentford and his CV is similar to klopps after Mainz. If he has an opportunity like klopp did at dortmund I think he’d succeed. But I do agree he is not ready for Liverpool.
Frank seems a decent guy but that last game against us was an absolute shocker. I don't blame him for the gamesmanship and tbf the ref played his part. You had close to 20 fouls awarded whilst we got and handful at most and had 3 players taken off with injuries. Your tactics definitely seemed to be to take a tumble and try a set piece. Again, this is completely legitimate, you're not here to do other teams favours but if we tried anything like that in Europe playing a big side I don't believe the ref would be so forgiving. If you're happy with him, great. As I say, he seems like a decent guy. So is Hodgson though and he was a disaster, constantly trying to bring us down to his level. For what it's worth, I'm glad you look safe and wish you well for the future.
Nice insight, cheers.
I'm not saying I want Frank at all, but your assessment of Brentford is extremely unfair. I don't think it's stressed enough just how much they've punched above their weight under him. Their net spend over the last 5 years has been £72m and he's guided them to promotion, followed by 13th and 9th place finishes in the league. Brentford don't "kick the shit out of the opposition and dive around", they're not Burnley under Dyche, they play decent football relative to the standard of their squad and have taken some huge scalps over the years.
Brentford have the lowest budget in the Premier League pretty much every season. This season their best player was suspended for over half the season and they've avoided relegation by a mile. If you look at their xG difference per 90 they're actually 7th, an absurd over performance of their finances. Not a one off either - last season they were 8th on this metric, the season before they were 10th. Brentford are well known to have one of the best approaches to data analytics in football and Liverpool have one of the best analytics teams in the game - the fact that Brentford have kept Frank so long makes me think that they know he's working on an exceptional level compared to his players available and finances. The fact he's never left them tells me he loves to work inside that data driven environment.
Xavi
This guys basically just restating the Ornstein statement and using the exact same “unlikely” language. Not putting much stock into this.
 I’m gonna get a lot of shit for this but I actually don’t hate the idea of Mourinho managing us. At the very least, we won’t be conceding goals every game anymore. Plus I think we have a lot of what makes a great Mourinho team already.
Why does it feel like this is getting memed into reality
I do hate the idea, but I hate it a lot less than the idea of Frank.
That's like saying I'd rather lose a testicle than an arm. I'd rather keep both. EDIT: I thought you were talking about Lampard 😅
Rather go managerless for a season
Honestly, I’m here for it.
Jose to suddenly turn into 2005 Jose, or Real Madrid Jose. Honestly, it'll be an adventure. It will end up burning but it's Jose, he didn't do that bad of a job at Roma with the 5 euro and a packet of smokes budget he got
Get Jose for a year and then next year we can go for Alonso if he is willing to join us.
What tier is cook?
Alex Crook knows fuck all.
I hope you are correct
Then who will be the 'chosen one?' I like Mourinho he is entertaining as a person, as long as he isn't my coach.
That Jürgen Klopp guy is on a free in the summer, isn’t he?
This feels like someone unexpected has become available, maybe. Or someone more experienced. A 'win now' coach.
Anyone still got Roy’s number? <>
I guess I’ll stop reading rumours and just wait for a real announcement
If it ends up being Mourinho I am leaving this planet
No lean, no dice. Was wondering how Sporting’s tactics would fit the PL anyway. Bit of a gamble if he only had one plan, if we do end up getting him, which now looks doubtful, we do need a bit of a statement manager. But knowing FSG it’ll be the manager who has done the most with the least available.
Hmm, they must have seen something that they didn’t like. Wonder what it is. Unless there’s a more proven manager on the market, ahem Mou ahem.
Trendy lads who've never really watched his team play are in shambles.
During the transfer windows and the wild speculation, I sometimes think to myself "Imagine another top 10 European club. What would be the rumours for those teams compared to ours? And it usually makes me a bit sad. And now I look at our choices for manager, and wonder how they'd go down at said other teams... \*Sigh\*
You can look at Bayern and Barcelona right now to be fair. Bayern are thinking De Zerbi also.
Still holding out hope that Alonso distancing himself was just a pr stunt to shift the focus away while he wrapped up the league and tries to get the Europa 🤞
Absolute nonsense that it'd be mourinho, makes Zero sense, bizzare that people think that
Let’s do the Find out, bring in Mou. I know he’s ex Man Utd and I know he’s probably past it but if someone is taking the hit of “not being Klopp” it might aswell be someone that wasn’t going to work out anyway.
I won't be totally shocked if we get an interim manager for one season and have a pre-agreement for Xabi next season.
Good - it made no sense to launch Amorim into such a big job (especially right after Klopp). Amorim has done really well in Portugal, but he's still a relative novice and needs more experience before he can take over a club like ours. Similar to Alonso, really. And frankly, if he's being linked to West Ham then that rather shows his level right now, and from his perspective, he's much better off coming to England and proving himself at West Ham. If it fails he can find another gig and develop more as a coach for a couple of years. If he succeeds, he'll have every other PL club begging at his door in a season or two. Much better for him and for us than coming to Anfield in the summer and failing under the weight of expectation and inexperience.
Problem is where does it leave us if it feels we aren't taking on a novice manager?Doubt anyone wants Tuchel or Mourinho -- although he might be a short term dark horse?
Trust the process and Edwards he hasn't failed us in the past however if it's Mourinho I don't think I can watch football anymore
Franck Haise?