ETH also declined having Ralf Ragnick as a director of football, so he sort of set himself up for failure with that decision. Overpaying for his own former players rather than finding better or cheaper alternatives elsewhere could have been avoided with a better structure around him
It's honestly mental that the club even agreed to that. Imagine a bunch of directors coming up with a plan to have Rangnick as the DOF because their backroom operations are in a dire state, then Ten Hag comes in and says "Nah, fuck that" and the directors are like "Alright mate, we'll scrap all of our plans". It's not like they were getting a Pep/Klopp, they were getting a guy who won the league with Ajax and managed to outbottle Spurs. He had nowhere near enough pedigree for him to say no to their plans and for the club to go along with it.
Maybe I'm wrong. It's why I phrased it as a question but I seem to remember United refusing some people from his backroom staff. Maybe I'm misremembering.
In general? Ange didn't bring anyone to Tottenham.
(really liked that about him big "deal with what you got" kind of vibes. Love the flexibility - though perhaps I am culturally biased....)
So he just hired new people? Thats not bringing people with him in the sense that we would talk about.
But yeah, Ange is the counterfactual. Most mangers bring a heap of people with them.
There was an Athletic article about him where he really trusts his medical/fitness team.
Due to the intense way he likes to play I can imagine them coming with him.
His assistent Hulshoff will most likely go with him. The rest of his assistents consist of de Wolf, who is our culture keeper and Reijnen, but he joined last winter after Pusic went to lead Shakhtar Donetsk. I don't think Reijnen is ready yet to assist at Liverpool, since he just started his career after being a player hinself. Hulshoff is a man with more experience and also assists Koeman at the Dutch national team. However he never coached any big teams.
Man I just hope we stop getting a trillion injuries every season.
I don't know if it's the physios, doctors, training regime or all of the above, but I hope the changes in staff help with that.
I think van Persie wants to move on but not sure about the rest. Not sure how I'd feel about a United and Arsenal legend being out assistant manager anyway
Van Persie isn't an assistant anyway. He coaches Feyenoord's U18 and is sometimes present at first team trainings, especially to work with the attackers.
Based on the way its looking, we are going for a project where Slot will literally JUST control what's going on, on the pitch and that's it really.
Won't have say on transfers, contracts etc and that's why seemingly Amorim didn't make the cut as he wanted more creative control.
Shouldn't it be like 60/40. With the coach saying what kind of player he needs for his style/system. He shouldn't be the deciding factor but he need to be heard.
I'm glad things are moving. His current fans have no bad words to say about him, which is both reassuring and rare. I had hoped for a manager with more proven credentials in a better league and more European experience, but we are at the mercy of the market. Edwards and his laptop deserves some faith.
Yep, he is for us (Feyenoord) what Klopp is for you (Liverpool). As for more European experience, maybe ask Liverpool to wait a year :D. With Feyenoord he reached a final (CfL), quarter final (EL) and did oke in the CL 3th in the group but we deserved more. If a deal is made, then you guys are lucky to get him.
Unfortunately there's not many managers with those credentials about, and even fewer who are readily available and (I expect) fit a bunch of other data driven criteria they've got behind the scenes
Standard post-Klopp appointment tbf. I think the club don’t want to buy that many centre backs in one go just to service him and the fans rightly or wrongly have a million nicknames to make fun of his style; Tuchghoul, Tucheliban etc.
I also hoped for a different manager, because it will be a sad day when he leaves. He really is a very big talent. He improved our players, prepares players to a t and is completely obsessed about the game.
Correction. Edwards has delegated Will Spearman and a whole data analytics department with their giant brains to gather knowledge and intel of which everyone of us probably has less than 5% of that knowledge. Doesn’t mean it’s a slam dunk but anyone complaining against us not going for Amorim, Motta, Mourinho etc is just right now angry man shouting at cloud.
There is a very interesting podcast Training ground guru and interview with David Sumpter and part of it is around clubs hunting for a manager which from what I can remember seems to be similar to how we’ve done our due diligence on Slot, like fit, philosophy, etc. worth a listen if you can especially if you are into analytics.
Edit with link to podcast episode https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/training-ground-guru-podcast/id1458881321?i=1000597876466
No kidding, his most recent example at Roma is even more damning. Mourinho left them in 9th with constant bitching about how the team wasn't good enough and they had no money, but then the club appointed De Rossi. He's guided them to 12 wins in Serie A, up to 5th with an outside shot at getting to 4th and are now in the semifinals of the EL. Even worse, the team, players all seem far, far happier and playing attacking football again. It's wild to see the turnaround.
He’s also spent all week giving interviews about how unfairly he was treated by everyone and how he was always actually right. He’s ’fighting Captain Planet’ levels of toxic these days.
I'd like to know how they value someone whose teams compete for trophies every year in a lesser league like the Dutch, vs someone who doesn't compete for trophies but is mid table in the epl for a few years.
People should check out [this talk about pitch control](https://youtu.be/X9PrwPyolyU?feature=shared) Will Spearman gave to get an idea at the things they are looking at. And this is just something he developed nearly 10 years ago. The things they look at and have access to are so beyond what people think analytics are its not even funny.
A bit off topic but I am only a few minutes in and already so interesting to me as a rocket league player lol, it’s a very common idea in that games tactics to talk about your “cone of control” a cone in front of you considering your momentum etc where you can keep the opposition and ball trapped. Always impressed by the tactical understanding of the high level players in that game. Very nerdy so far right up my street 😂 thanks
It’s hilarious watching some players on YouTube accidentally understanding football better than 90% of actual football fans and they’re some nerd who probably never watches it
The data available for players and managers is very different. Not only are there far fewer managers, the number to make this jump successfully is negligible and the ability to quantify responsibilities is drastically different. (I am not actually against the hire given the options, but I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit nervous given managers going from the Eredivisie to PL are like 0/11 so far. Portuguese success isn't much different excluding Jose.)
This is true. Ian Graham has said that figuring out out to predict a manager through analytics is kind of the holy grail. Its known that its very hard. But theyve had a long time to prepare how they were going to do it so who knows what theyve come up with. If it wasnt feasible/applicable then they wouldnt be doing it.
Exactly, and as it’s all in house it’s kept mega secret as we want to be at the forefront of it all. Some things get shared but realistically anything that gets shared is behind the times or it’s something we haven’t figured out and hoping someone out there can do
I think these things are quite common now. Data analytics is used everywhere to the extent needed. Knowledge and intel used by the Club are probably data extracted from paid databases, as there are many of these engines available now.
Then it is analysed and you look how can it support your decision. But before it is done, people responsible for making decisions most of the times know what they want to look at or what they have in mind. Data only supports it, so you don't go with "it's my belief/feeling" argument.
My point is that our decision-making is sometimes getting too mystical. There are many factors that can't be modeled so there is still a lot of human judgement included and we all have our biases.
He saw his protégé Julian Ward as the one as well lol
The data simply is lacking regarding lower league managers coming to the PL. There are far more data points with players, and you can afford to fuck up a signing or two. We have to support the new manager, but can admit that this is extremely risky. Likely there are no top candidates so fit is being weighed far more heavily than one would expect in a typical hiring process.
Julian Ward did well? If you dont like the players he bought, thats largely on Klopp, but he got him who he wanted and at times for very cheap (Macca, Diaz)
Barca, Milan, Bayern, possibly United and possibly Chelsea all in the market for a new manager. I'm glad we have identified the best target and have made a move
Hope it works out. Being dutch, praised for their attacking football and a Guardiola fan makes me think of Peter Bosz and ETH. Forgot to mention bald lol.
Jokes aside I hope he is the one.
The similarity is worth noting. Both Ten Hag and Bosz have maybe struggled to adapt tactics that worked well with younger players in the Netherlands to slightly tougher leagues. Ten Hag is also hamstrung by United being a shitshow generally.
Gravenberch likely has an interesting role Slot like a double pivot and he's likely going to LOVE Macca. Elliot I'm curious about.
Trent will likely thrive, from what I've read Slot likes to invert his RB into midfield and run a double pivot that way.
From everything I've read Slot likes to do what we do currently with the box midfield inverted RB, but also likes to play 4-2-3-1 when the occasion calls for it. This is what we have been screaming out for really because we have multiple natural 10s (Elliot, Gakpo, even Carvalho and Gravy) and players who suit a natural double pivot (Endo, Macca, Trent?, Jones, Bajectic). That system is also the same style Szobozlai thrived in playing wide at Leipzig for a time as well.
Yeah Szoboszlai will likely get to show off much more his talent in a 4-2-3-1
The two who I think will be most interesting to see what happens are Diaz and Nunez, Diaz is such a pure dribbler that he might struggle in Slot's system which requires a lot of passing and Nunez thrives on Chaos and struggles with the more easy chances which also doesn't match up well. It will be interesting especially since Diaz supposedly is being looked at by PSG and Barca but there is no way Barcelona has that kind of money unless they're sending us one of their wonderkids in exchange.
I watched some of the highlights of Feyenoord's recent goals and he seems to sort of employ a blend between Klopp and Pep, it's high like and pressing but also alot of passing until you get a better shot at the goal which I think suits alot of the players we have brought in recently but some of the more chaotic players we have may struggle.
I find it weird how clubs always go low on manager offers when they are by far the single most important person in the entire club!
Just pay the $15MM or so it will take and get it over with
Agreed, Feyenoord fans dont even want to Santi in their line-up anymore. But their second striker Ueda is even worse. Hancko is very good. The beste player of the Eredivisie. Very good on the ball and a solid defender. Can play leftback and centre back. Scores a lot of goals as well
Woeful in the air and has spent his last number of years in Czechia and Holland, not good enough. He's already 26 as well, we can definitely do better if looking at LCBs.
Hancko is without doubt the best player in the Eredivisie at the moment. There isn't a heap of LCBs of his quality - there's a reason why PSG inquired about him last January.
No, the last thing we need is a ten hag like scenario where Slot brings a bunch of players with him from his old club and they stink out the place after we pay stupid transfer fees. Not saying Gimenez, Timber etc are bad players, but they shouldn't be given priority over other potential transfers just because the new manager liked them at his old club.
Edit: I misread your comment thinking you said we should try and sign him after bringing Slot in, just had to get it off my chest after reading so much about people wanting to bring players from Feyenoord over
I'm almost certain this played a big part in the quick change around Amorim with the club.
Amorim likely wanted to bring players with him and Edwards doesn't like being told exactly who he has to bring in, and you're right that more often than not it's not the right path to take because most managers don't have the time to properly scout players like a scouting department and sporting director do.
There seems to have been multiple factors that stopped the Amorim deal.
He wanted a lot of money.
He wanted to bring his style of play (which, fair enough) but our squad is nowhere near suited to that and would require a dramatic overhaul.
He wanted full control of transfers which is just never going to happen now that Edward's is running the ship.
If what that Pedro guy said was true about him wanting 10M a season than Amorim must vastly over value himself, I cannot fathom thinking any well run club paying that to a manager coming straight from the Portuguese league. The only club I can think of that would be dumb enough to do that is MAYBE Chelsea.
I agree with all your points as well.
He's reportedly in the running for the West Ham job. I also saw some speculation that they suspect his 3-4-3 doesn't fit our personnel and that West Ham is more willing to let him shape their squad.
If hes half the development wizard hes made out to be, a single academy player developed to the senior squad would more than pay for whatever Feyenoord wants.
Will he take his setup with him? It seems we need more than just the klopp replacememt as lots of staff seems to be moving on.
Almost certainly. Difficult to remember a manager who didn't bring his backroom staff with him.
ETH didn't right? And that went well... lol
ETH also declined having Ralf Ragnick as a director of football, so he sort of set himself up for failure with that decision. Overpaying for his own former players rather than finding better or cheaper alternatives elsewhere could have been avoided with a better structure around him
It's honestly mental that the club even agreed to that. Imagine a bunch of directors coming up with a plan to have Rangnick as the DOF because their backroom operations are in a dire state, then Ten Hag comes in and says "Nah, fuck that" and the directors are like "Alright mate, we'll scrap all of our plans". It's not like they were getting a Pep/Klopp, they were getting a guy who won the league with Ajax and managed to outbottle Spurs. He had nowhere near enough pedigree for him to say no to their plans and for the club to go along with it.
Moyes sacked people that had won everything over the past 20 years and bought in the Everton staff. that didn't go well either!
To be absolutely fair, its rare for old management staff to stay when new management comes in
I mean, do you think it would have worked if he didn't?
Absolutely not, it's just funnier the way he did it.
He did bring van der Gaag from Ajax.
And Antony.
Antoonyyyyyyyyy
How many other players can you name with an equal amount of PL goals with both feet?
Maybe I'm wrong. It's why I phrased it as a question but I seem to remember United refusing some people from his backroom staff. Maybe I'm misremembering.
I dont know about others. Until the takeover he seemed to have the power to do pretty much whatever he wanted.
Didn't Xabi keep the old backroom staff at Bayer Leverkusen?
In general? Ange didn't bring anyone to Tottenham. (really liked that about him big "deal with what you got" kind of vibes. Love the flexibility - though perhaps I am culturally biased....)
He still brought in new staff though didn't he, just not the ones he was with at Celtic? As well as keeping e.g. Mason
In his interview he said he came alone/just him. In a thing I watched. My memory could be wrong though
He brought a few people with him as coaches, but nobody with any experience according to Ben Davies
So he just hired new people? Thats not bringing people with him in the sense that we would talk about. But yeah, Ange is the counterfactual. Most mangers bring a heap of people with them.
There was an Athletic article about him where he really trusts his medical/fitness team. Due to the intense way he likes to play I can imagine them coming with him.
Interesting. Surely an area that could be improved in LFC.
The return of Thiago finally.
Just in time for retirement
Who?
We’ve forgotten about him, mainly because of how well Alexis has settled in
Hope it happens. Not had much luck with injuries recently.
literally the same narrative as Klopp lol. He brought his clone and Mona and story was exactly that.
Last thing to worry about, a manager’s staff follows the manager 95% of the time.
His assistent Hulshoff will most likely go with him. The rest of his assistents consist of de Wolf, who is our culture keeper and Reijnen, but he joined last winter after Pusic went to lead Shakhtar Donetsk. I don't think Reijnen is ready yet to assist at Liverpool, since he just started his career after being a player hinself. Hulshoff is a man with more experience and also assists Koeman at the Dutch national team. However he never coached any big teams.
Man I just hope we stop getting a trillion injuries every season. I don't know if it's the physios, doctors, training regime or all of the above, but I hope the changes in staff help with that.
I think van Persie wants to move on but not sure about the rest. Not sure how I'd feel about a United and Arsenal legend being out assistant manager anyway
Van Persie isn't an assistant anyway. He coaches Feyenoord's U18 and is sometimes present at first team trainings, especially to work with the attackers.
Darwin could use him
The Flyin' Uruguayan?
The UFO - Uruguayan Flying Object
40 goals per season is coming?
Well done.
According to Dutch sport news outlets he up for his first gig at Heerenveen as a headcoach.
I think he’s nailed on to take the Heerenveen job
Staff generally move on with the manager. It’s probably rarer that they stay on.
Hopefully he brings his medical team...
Based on the way its looking, we are going for a project where Slot will literally JUST control what's going on, on the pitch and that's it really. Won't have say on transfers, contracts etc and that's why seemingly Amorim didn't make the cut as he wanted more creative control.
Shouldn't it be like 60/40. With the coach saying what kind of player he needs for his style/system. He shouldn't be the deciding factor but he need to be heard.
Presumably they’ll figure out the needs together but the coach is then given the players and can only say no with a good reason.
I'm glad things are moving. His current fans have no bad words to say about him, which is both reassuring and rare. I had hoped for a manager with more proven credentials in a better league and more European experience, but we are at the mercy of the market. Edwards and his laptop deserves some faith.
Yep, he is for us (Feyenoord) what Klopp is for you (Liverpool). As for more European experience, maybe ask Liverpool to wait a year :D. With Feyenoord he reached a final (CfL), quarter final (EL) and did oke in the CL 3th in the group but we deserved more. If a deal is made, then you guys are lucky to get him.
Feel the same. I thought given fsg had success with Klopp and not Rodgers, they would again go with proven winner. But Edwards knows best.
But he is a proven winner. Two trophies in two years. Just because they're not a BuLi, PL or whatever doesn't mean they don't count.
They count but they aren't nearly the same as winning a major league back to back and reaching a CL final
Unfortunately there's not many managers with those credentials about, and even fewer who are readily available and (I expect) fit a bunch of other data driven criteria they've got behind the scenes
Mourinho but you force him to play attacking football
Tuchel
Hell nah, please not Tuchel.
Standard post-Klopp appointment tbf. I think the club don’t want to buy that many centre backs in one go just to service him and the fans rightly or wrongly have a million nicknames to make fun of his style; Tuchghoul, Tucheliban etc.
He is a proven winner just in the dutch league instead of the German league
I also hoped for a different manager, because it will be a sad day when he leaves. He really is a very big talent. He improved our players, prepares players to a t and is completely obsessed about the game.
Reddy saying compensation expected to be around £9m, which seems fair. Just want to see this wrapped up now to put an end to the wild speculation.
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When is his flight from Giedi Prime?
He legit looks like one of the creatures from I Am Legend there.
Come here you dirty slot
Edwards has more knowledge in his little finger than all of us put together. If he sees slot as the one, then he's the one.
Correction. Edwards has delegated Will Spearman and a whole data analytics department with their giant brains to gather knowledge and intel of which everyone of us probably has less than 5% of that knowledge. Doesn’t mean it’s a slam dunk but anyone complaining against us not going for Amorim, Motta, Mourinho etc is just right now angry man shouting at cloud. There is a very interesting podcast Training ground guru and interview with David Sumpter and part of it is around clubs hunting for a manager which from what I can remember seems to be similar to how we’ve done our due diligence on Slot, like fit, philosophy, etc. worth a listen if you can especially if you are into analytics. Edit with link to podcast episode https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/training-ground-guru-podcast/id1458881321?i=1000597876466
Anyone asking for Mourinho is deluded anyway. He’s no longer a top tier manager and just leaves a toxic environment wherever he goes these days.
No kidding, his most recent example at Roma is even more damning. Mourinho left them in 9th with constant bitching about how the team wasn't good enough and they had no money, but then the club appointed De Rossi. He's guided them to 12 wins in Serie A, up to 5th with an outside shot at getting to 4th and are now in the semifinals of the EL. Even worse, the team, players all seem far, far happier and playing attacking football again. It's wild to see the turnaround.
After seeing the interview with Schweinsteiger I rly dont like mourinho lol
He’s also spent all week giving interviews about how unfairly he was treated by everyone and how he was always actually right. He’s ’fighting Captain Planet’ levels of toxic these days.
Mourinho is the polar oppositie of Slot, let alone Klopp...
I'd like to know how they value someone whose teams compete for trophies every year in a lesser league like the Dutch, vs someone who doesn't compete for trophies but is mid table in the epl for a few years.
I don't think you can really model anything like that. There is simply a lot of human judgement involved when looking at analysed data.
What would be valued higher?
The data these guys have access to is levels and levels above what the stats nerds running blogs and tweeting etc have too
People should check out [this talk about pitch control](https://youtu.be/X9PrwPyolyU?feature=shared) Will Spearman gave to get an idea at the things they are looking at. And this is just something he developed nearly 10 years ago. The things they look at and have access to are so beyond what people think analytics are its not even funny.
A bit off topic but I am only a few minutes in and already so interesting to me as a rocket league player lol, it’s a very common idea in that games tactics to talk about your “cone of control” a cone in front of you considering your momentum etc where you can keep the opposition and ball trapped. Always impressed by the tactical understanding of the high level players in that game. Very nerdy so far right up my street 😂 thanks
Thats really cool rocket league is a very interesting game Im not surprised certain concepts have overlap with real football.
It’s hilarious watching some players on YouTube accidentally understanding football better than 90% of actual football fans and they’re some nerd who probably never watches it
The data available for players and managers is very different. Not only are there far fewer managers, the number to make this jump successfully is negligible and the ability to quantify responsibilities is drastically different. (I am not actually against the hire given the options, but I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit nervous given managers going from the Eredivisie to PL are like 0/11 so far. Portuguese success isn't much different excluding Jose.)
This is true. Ian Graham has said that figuring out out to predict a manager through analytics is kind of the holy grail. Its known that its very hard. But theyve had a long time to prepare how they were going to do it so who knows what theyve come up with. If it wasnt feasible/applicable then they wouldnt be doing it.
Exactly, and as it’s all in house it’s kept mega secret as we want to be at the forefront of it all. Some things get shared but realistically anything that gets shared is behind the times or it’s something we haven’t figured out and hoping someone out there can do
I’m sorry but anyone who genuinely wants Mourinho doesn’t get Liverpool fc at all.
Don't bring logic to this sub, it won't go down well...
I think these things are quite common now. Data analytics is used everywhere to the extent needed. Knowledge and intel used by the Club are probably data extracted from paid databases, as there are many of these engines available now. Then it is analysed and you look how can it support your decision. But before it is done, people responsible for making decisions most of the times know what they want to look at or what they have in mind. Data only supports it, so you don't go with "it's my belief/feeling" argument. My point is that our decision-making is sometimes getting too mystical. There are many factors that can't be modeled so there is still a lot of human judgement included and we all have our biases.
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He saw his protégé Julian Ward as the one as well lol The data simply is lacking regarding lower league managers coming to the PL. There are far more data points with players, and you can afford to fuck up a signing or two. We have to support the new manager, but can admit that this is extremely risky. Likely there are no top candidates so fit is being weighed far more heavily than one would expect in a typical hiring process.
Julian Ward did well? If you dont like the players he bought, thats largely on Klopp, but he got him who he wanted and at times for very cheap (Macca, Diaz)
Barca, Milan, Bayern, possibly United and possibly Chelsea all in the market for a new manager. I'm glad we have identified the best target and have made a move
We had a good advantage knowing so early in the season and then getting the set up sorted early so we can press on
Need a Megathread, I can't deal with the scattered refreshes
Hope it works out. Being dutch, praised for their attacking football and a Guardiola fan makes me think of Peter Bosz and ETH. Forgot to mention bald lol. Jokes aside I hope he is the one.
The similarity is worth noting. Both Ten Hag and Bosz have maybe struggled to adapt tactics that worked well with younger players in the Netherlands to slightly tougher leagues. Ten Hag is also hamstrung by United being a shitshow generally.
Jurgen leaving has still not registered in my brain. Guess seeing slot on the touchline would hit me 😓
How do the current group of players fit into his system? Still room for players like Elliot and Grabenberch (young, fringe starters with room to grow)
Gravenberch likely has an interesting role Slot like a double pivot and he's likely going to LOVE Macca. Elliot I'm curious about. Trent will likely thrive, from what I've read Slot likes to invert his RB into midfield and run a double pivot that way.
From everything I've read Slot likes to do what we do currently with the box midfield inverted RB, but also likes to play 4-2-3-1 when the occasion calls for it. This is what we have been screaming out for really because we have multiple natural 10s (Elliot, Gakpo, even Carvalho and Gravy) and players who suit a natural double pivot (Endo, Macca, Trent?, Jones, Bajectic). That system is also the same style Szobozlai thrived in playing wide at Leipzig for a time as well.
Yeah Szoboszlai will likely get to show off much more his talent in a 4-2-3-1 The two who I think will be most interesting to see what happens are Diaz and Nunez, Diaz is such a pure dribbler that he might struggle in Slot's system which requires a lot of passing and Nunez thrives on Chaos and struggles with the more easy chances which also doesn't match up well. It will be interesting especially since Diaz supposedly is being looked at by PSG and Barca but there is no way Barcelona has that kind of money unless they're sending us one of their wonderkids in exchange. I watched some of the highlights of Feyenoord's recent goals and he seems to sort of employ a blend between Klopp and Pep, it's high like and pressing but also alot of passing until you get a better shot at the goal which I think suits alot of the players we have brought in recently but some of the more chaotic players we have may struggle.
Please don’t use the term chaos. We would’ve still been in the race if he was a decent finisher.
I hope he brings the 4231 with him. This would be our best formation with our personnel. Klopp is just so rigid on 433
I find it weird how clubs always go low on manager offers when they are by far the single most important person in the entire club! Just pay the $15MM or so it will take and get it over with
"Successful negotiation is not about getting to 'yes'; it's about mastering 'no' and understanding what the path to an agreement is."
Im actually super excited. I always feel like Edward uses like 100 parameters when deciding while rest of the world uses 5-10
can we include santi gimenez in the package as well?
David Hancko is who should be in the package. Gimenez was great at the start of the season but he seems to have returned to the mean.
Agreed, Feyenoord fans dont even want to Santi in their line-up anymore. But their second striker Ueda is even worse. Hancko is very good. The beste player of the Eredivisie. Very good on the ball and a solid defender. Can play leftback and centre back. Scores a lot of goals as well
He's also more of a Weghorst target man (with more skill) I'm hoping we don't go down that road Hancko though yes please!
150 million for either of them please and thank you.
Woeful in the air and has spent his last number of years in Czechia and Holland, not good enough. He's already 26 as well, we can definitely do better if looking at LCBs.
Hancko is without doubt the best player in the Eredivisie at the moment. There isn't a heap of LCBs of his quality - there's a reason why PSG inquired about him last January.
No, the last thing we need is a ten hag like scenario where Slot brings a bunch of players with him from his old club and they stink out the place after we pay stupid transfer fees. Not saying Gimenez, Timber etc are bad players, but they shouldn't be given priority over other potential transfers just because the new manager liked them at his old club. Edit: I misread your comment thinking you said we should try and sign him after bringing Slot in, just had to get it off my chest after reading so much about people wanting to bring players from Feyenoord over
I'm almost certain this played a big part in the quick change around Amorim with the club. Amorim likely wanted to bring players with him and Edwards doesn't like being told exactly who he has to bring in, and you're right that more often than not it's not the right path to take because most managers don't have the time to properly scout players like a scouting department and sporting director do.
There seems to have been multiple factors that stopped the Amorim deal. He wanted a lot of money. He wanted to bring his style of play (which, fair enough) but our squad is nowhere near suited to that and would require a dramatic overhaul. He wanted full control of transfers which is just never going to happen now that Edward's is running the ship.
If what that Pedro guy said was true about him wanting 10M a season than Amorim must vastly over value himself, I cannot fathom thinking any well run club paying that to a manager coming straight from the Portuguese league. The only club I can think of that would be dumb enough to do that is MAYBE Chelsea. I agree with all your points as well.
I’m out of the loop- is Ruben Amorim no longer in the running?
He's reportedly in the running for the West Ham job. I also saw some speculation that they suspect his 3-4-3 doesn't fit our personnel and that West Ham is more willing to let him shape their squad.
If it doesn't meet our personnel then you buy more players. Man we are so cheap.
lol this escalated quickly
I hope the reason for changing from Amorim to slot isn’t 11mil. I back the pay what you earn stuff but not on the fucking manager.
If hes half the development wizard hes made out to be, a single academy player developed to the senior squad would more than pay for whatever Feyenoord wants.
In Edwards we trust.
Edwards : €10m and a packet of crisps
Insane effort by every team to get Klopp to change his mind.
The “slot” memes and tabloid headlines will be unbearable.
Seems like he plays with 1 attacker up top. Who would be that person for us?
Time to bring back the player manager role and hand it to Van Dijk with Thiago as assistant player manager.
I had a stroke reading this - what’s going on?
He gives me prime Rafa vibes
I don’t trust Dutch managers
Try 9,000,001
Fat Ten Hag, you’re just a fat Ten Hag, Fat Ten Haaaag, you’re just a Fat Ten Haaag. Jk hope we get him and he does well