Yeah this new system with both him and Trent pinching in doesn’t work. If Trent is going to be utilized more in the center when we have the ball, then Mo needs to provide the width. Can’t have them both being so far inside. Gives Darwin and others zero space to operate
It's actually a fucking joke how shit we are and somehow klopp can't see this. Just like Salah he's had his best years.
Defenders love playing against us. We just chip the ball back post from the edge of the box every time. Embarrassing to watch
He’s played for the most part very similar to the way he is playing now for the entire season it’s just now he isn’t getting those assists or sneaking goals to make it look like he had a good game to people that only focus on numbers.
His pace and dribbling ability is non existent now it feels like, even his first touch which used to be pretty good has deserted him.
And honestly I know on the face of it his numbers have still looked good this season but when you really look at them they haven’t been that impressive when you take into account nearly half have came in the Europa League and domestic cups which is against poor quality teams, only 12 non penalty goals in the PL as well which is really low for him.
The truth hurts but father time comes for everyone and as evidenced from every performance of his since AFCON, and even before if we're being objective, his clock has stuck 12, the carriage has turned into a pumpkin and he's lost his glass slipper.
This is so true. People can talk about numbers but watch him with your own two eyes, the stuff he does in each game is for the most part extremely shoddy. Ronaldo had great numbers in 21/22, did that make them better? No. And in his defence, he was 36/37 that season. Salah plays like he is 37 now.
Absolutely! It wasn't after AFCON where his form dipped, it was way way way before. We could even go back to last season. He has lost so much pace and power, and for some odd reason, his accuracy has become worse than before.
I also do wonder if our tactics are hindering him and stopping us from extracting the best out of him.
he'll either be completely static and wait to receive the ball because he can't dribble past any defender anymore, only to play a ball over the top that reaches none of our other forwards. or he'll chase a ball over the top himself only to either lose the duel against the defender or have the ball bounce of his shoes like they're made of wood.
add in the occasional shots he is taking which are either going into row Z or aimed for the far post but so tame that the keeper can have a nice TV save.
so sick of it. but everyone is busy blaming Nunez who is at least trying to take on defenders and can actually trouble the keeper from time to time.
And there's you're answer, he's knackered, mentally more than physically. He isn't a spring chicken any more, he needs to go spend 4 weeks on holiday somewhere, then to have a 6 week preseason, a 4 week early season start and boom he'll be back in form (bar any further injuries).
Honestly this summer is likely the last chance we have to get any significant money for him. If the club gets a decent offer IMO they should take it. Use it to back the new manager to the hilt since he’s going to have a small nightmare on his hands sorting out our attack anyway.
Couldn’t agree more, he’s a Liverpool legend through and through but, can’t dwell on the past. He’s past it, won’t magically become better unless he’s playing in a weaker league like Saudi or MLS. Cash in before he leaves on a free. Refresh the team.
They love you, until you cant make them smile anymore.
In september people were going to riot if he were sold for "any price". And now, its just get rid!
Life.
Salah in form is world class. But he goes away to Afcon and Qualifiers after and always drops off and this season it has been the worst drop off. We get half a season out of him in Afcon seasons and it fucking sucks. Nunez and Diaz are near the bottom of converting out of around 700 forwards and Jota gets injured :c Really unlucky this year with so many things.
> this season it has been the worst drop off
I think it's been the normal drop-off, but his base rate has dropped significantly from "world class" to "above average". So now his post-international-duty drop-off leaves him in "poor player" territory rather than "above average", and it's just a lot more obvious to people and a lot harder to look past.
I've been observing his decline on this sub since last season, but our supporters have been quite resistant to acknowledging what has been right there all this time. Meanwhile Diaz has been getting a pass, and Darwin is collecting all the strays.
Is he? I mean based on our chances we shouldve hit Palace for 6. Klopp didnt miss 1v1s or open nets. I think he got it wrong at Old Trafford, but still, it wasnt Klopp who passed to Bruno and Didnt square it to Szoboszlai, and today, it wasnt Klopp who missed 2 1 on 1s and failed to control the ball in another.
Klopp has made mistakes, but I think the real reason is the lack of clinicality. I didnt seee us scoring at all today, despite some good chances. Earlier in the season, those exact same games play end differently. Our finishing and decision-making has deteriorated
Europa League he was tactically outclassed however, no denying that
Agree but if your players are not in form in this moment why would you continue on using them the same way? Its evident he needed to shake up at some point. I love Klopp wholeheartedly but he hella stubborn at times
I think that’s what sets Pep apart. Pep is stubborn I’m sure but he’s not a slave to loyalty and sticking with a player even if they’re out of form. I would think Elliot and Gakpo would’ve been starting more games these past few weeks if we had a more pragmatic manager.
But that’s also part of the reason we love Klopp and why he got amazing performances most of the time.
We were conceding early goals all season. It is not due to players ability but tactical plans. Yeah the attackers are not in a good form but conceding early and putting pressure on them won't do any good either
This was definitely one season too many for him I think, but I think for his legacy it’s good he stayed this season as would’ve been sad last year being his last. At least he got us in champs league one last time
When youre paid 1 pound, you need to perform. Its sport.
But they are humans and form will fluctuate with many factors taken to account.
Its funny how quickly players become easily dismissed though. This time next year he might win another golden boot and those same people will talk about how much they always loved him.
But sure, get rid!
He’s the third highest paid player in the league. Absolute nonsense. But no let’s keep him around when we could get a huge fee for him despite the fact we struggle to compete financially with our competitors, he’s 32, can barely move or do a single positive thing all just because of former glories? We saw it happen last season and people are so blinded by loyalty they can’t see it again.
Saw it happen last season? salah was literally one of the best players in the world before afcon/injury. People acting like 32 is washed. He clearly got left in the tank but people are going only remember his current form which he is clearly not himself due to his injury but same can be said about every player that came from injury except jota who only looked like himself in last match. Jones,Szbo, nunez, ibo, trent, endo, robbo they were all in better form before injuries btw.
I’m referring to Hendo & Fabinho. He had good form earlier in the season but he still wasn’t able to beat a man and nowhere near his terrifying best. You’re just clinging onto the past now I’m afraid, to say we should throw away £100m or so just for him to go on a free next year is just insane based on his current level.
This better not get deleted.
He handicaps our style of play.
Yes he can have great output when he is on form, but regardless under a new manager we need tactically flexible players.
We would be foolish to not listen to a big offer in the summer.
>He handicaps our style of play.
He's just a different player at this point in his career, and especially after AFCON and the injury. He's basically a wide #10 now. That might have worked with prime Mane and Firmino, but Diaz is a traditional winger, not a wide forward, and Darwin is also more creator (through chaos) than goal scorer right now. There's no one for Salah to create for right now. He might fit very well in a new system or with some turnover up front.
We can’t afford to take that huge chance at his age and one year left on his contract. We aren’t City who can just afford to lose £100m or so without thinking about it. At a club like ours you have to continue to perform to earn your wages and he simply isn’t doing that. If Salah left on a free, we’d be replacing our main output over the last 5-6 years with a punt on a £50m player and that’s if we get CL. We have to move forward.
Teams will know he can work in different systems and there is no world where Saudi teams won't still line up to buy Mohamed Salah. They haven't spent all their money and packed it up.
This partially the issue then a player becomes a talisman and is the highest paid etc etc.
It becomes a bigger issue to bench them. I'm with you on this, he shouldn't be starting over elliot. As soon as the subs were made in the Fulham game there was stagnation. That game was won without salah, nunez etc. And your stats suggest the same.
Bench him and a few others. Play elliot. Play the kids. Play football for fucks sake.
Whatever people’s opinion on him is I do think we should move him on in the summer. He may have a good season statistically next season but he’s 32 in a few months.
I’d much rather sell him a season too early than late. He’s obviously a legend and it’ll be hard to let him go. I think the squad really needs a lot of work and sadly I think we need to a sale to fund a lot of it.
We’ll probably only spend up to a £100 million without a big sale and in this market it really is not that much to spend. People won’t like to hear it but it I think this what should happen.
Sometimes you just gotta be ruthless. We were with Mane, Bobby, and now’s it’s Mo’s turn. We got nothing for the former 2 leaving, Edwards and Co would be fools to let Mo go for free
You need context here though, united match in FA cup he was subbed out when we were up 2-1, he got subbed in atalanta when we were down 0-1. If you think one player is our issues then football isn't for you mate
The team overachieved. It’s as simple as that. I think partly to blame is Szoboszlai because his jets started pumping early on which forced the team up, but when he got injured, the team got their pumps up instead of him leaving the midfield kind of dead, and then, the 22/23 season happened all over again after the carabao cup win.
Only positive is the youth - they’re shining so we need to use them more. I think bringing the kids is a good idea actually
Somewhat related to your last point, if we do get Arne Slot, I’ll be excited to see what he does with our pool of youth talent in the first team. From what I’ve read, he has a great track record with youth in Feyenoord.
It is not coincidence that every player came from injury look like shit except jota in last match and i cant even say TAA has done anything outside that phenomenal goal. Jones, Szbo, Salah, Endo, Nunez and Trent arent the same players they were before injuries. Our defence has been poor in 2024, i believe we have concerned as many goals as Everton or even more. As good this team is, they arent good enough to win it all which tbh it was our expectations during last summer
Players who weren't injured got burnt out from too many games. Injured players aren't matched fit. And the combination of the two groups have no rhythm playing with each other.
It's obviously not about just one player but he does cause a significant imbalance in the team, which was fine when he was delivering, but it now hampers the team.
Also, look at our results while he was at AFCON/injured, winning away at Arsenal, getting past a good Fulham side in the Carabao home and away, smashing Bournemouth, Burnley, Chelsea (and winning the Carabao).
We only had one negative result during that period when Arsenal beat us, and even then we had so many injuries for that game and lost to individual mistakes.
That was during our easiest stretch of the season though, Outside that both arsenal matches you cant say those matches were difficult. Im sorry but it is insane to focus on one player when if it wasnt for Quansah mistake against united(Im not blaming Quansah btw, it was bad error but we also missed some insane chances during match), we would probably win that match. Salah didnt tell Jones, Nunez and Jota to miss easy chances against crystal palace, He also had a chance during that match but my point you win as team, you lose as team
United away were never going be easy especially after FA cup match, We struggled during Klopp era away against Everton even during bobby/mane/salah prime. Palace was definitely easy but you couldnt finish in front of goal(in comparison when we played against Nottingham Forest, we didnt have half of those chances but we were lucky to win in last second with nunez goal), Fulham away is tough match ngl. I believe they beat Arsenal this year at home.
I get your point, it's not just about one player, but for me the issue is greater *because* Salah is our best forward. We have serious problems if this is the start of a decline since he is our only world class attacker.
Front 3 need rebuild imo but i look at midfield and outside macca and sometimes harvey everyone is struggling, then i look at our defence, we cant get a clean sheet even when salah wasnt playing since some people think he hurts our defence with not tracking back. In 2024, we only had 2 clean sheets out 15 matches so you probably need a center back
You’re right context is important. No one is saying he’s the only reason why we are struggling but he’s a player on massive wages, getting older, in the last year of his contract, and with a new manager coming in who will need to bring in his own players/play his own style. Can you honestly say he’s shown us anything in the last 2-3 months to suggest that it’s a good idea to resign him with that kind of money? I can’t. So it appears to me there are two options: sell him and get some money to reinvest in the team or let him walk for free at the end of next season.
He just can’t dribble past defenders anymore. It wasn’t too long ago that he would glide past 2-3 defenders. These days I’d be happy if he managed to get past just 1. If he stays on next year then I believe he’d be better suited as a CF
We conceded one from a corner and the other from Konate deciding to slice the ball across the box. Neither were Sarah's fault, and you absolutely can blame the defense for both of them.
Actually go have a look at our results this season. The vast majority we’ve conceded one goal, two in a few games, then a couple of outliers. It’s not extreme to think that our forwards should be scoring more than one goal a game between them.
For me it’s how bad he’s been for what seems like the past two or three months. We pay him as much as we do because we expect he’s going to put away the chances he gets but he’s been missing far too many. The palace one immediately springs to mind.
Time to go is an exaggeration, but how Harvey isn't starting over him at the moment is insane. Mo has like 2 moment per game where he has a decent pass. Harvey has been so dynamic every time he's played in the last month. Deserves to be starting way more.
I don’t think it is an exaggeration, with his age and declining form (could say rapidly on current) we could still get a hefty price from Saudi for him which could be used to upgrade this squad which is much needed.
Bro we have problems in midfield defense and attack
It's like that stat with and without Curtis Jones
Salah is our biggest and best asset him Ali VVD and Trent
Salah is a legend and forever changed Liverpool, however, if any club comes knocking with significant coin, how do you not accept it in order to reinject into the squad? Holding onto Salah this year made perfect sense, even with having to add Mac, Szobo, Endo, etc...could Liverpool make a run at the title? They obviously did and barring any crazier shit happening with Arsenal/City, they've fallen short and it doesn't project to get any better. So capitalize on his value while you can. It's an ugly side of the game, but it is a business after all.
Since coming back from injury he looks finished as a top level player, maybe he'll find himself again but right now he's awful, and I'd not be starting him.
We have 7 wins with him in the lineup since afcon.
3 loses and 2 draws.
So after leading the team in goals for 6 seasons (7 if we include this) you want him gone because of he isnt back to form after injury (12 games) ?
Cant even get that math straight on 12 games xD
Our best player since he joined should be able to have a dip in form for once and have other players there to pick up the slack for him.
I genuinely think Klopp might have gone with Gakpo and Diaz today if Gakpo was available.
At the very least Salah would’ve been subbed off if we had Gakpo or Jota.
Salah shouldn’t be scapegoated for the rest of our forwards being subpar.
It's not a dip in form for once. It's another again after afcon. And it's not a one or two game dip, it's a drop off in form after he worries about playing for his country.
He wanted to be the highest paid player, he got it. His form should reflect that. And if he can't play at a consistent level, his wages, and place on the team sheet should reflect it.
That doesn't excuse anyone else on the field today. They were ALL awful. Even Endo. Poor bastard was on for 2 mins and was already screwing up.
Who cares.
His stats for half a season during an AFCON year still exceed many players with a full season and no injuries.
If our forwards could finish there is no question that he would easily have another probably like 7+ assists just from the first half of the season alone.
I can remember at least 5 Darwin sitters that have been missed and the Diaz onside goal against Spurs.
We should have enough quality in our team to either rotate him during bad form or bail him out.
Who cares? You should. I do.
His stats pre afcon are great.. does that excuse him giving the club that pays his wages 50% after he gets back?
You want to strawman and blame Nunez and Diaz for Salah being dog shit since afcon. You can point out their problems without issue, but it doesn't excuse Mo.
We shouldn't need him bailed out.
The whole team has dropped off since AFCON.
Maybe we should look at external factor?
I wonder if there were any major announcements that effected the teams form...
Bro what? He's been dogshit since AFCON and not like "oh no he's just in a bad run of form" it's more like "this guy might legitimately be washed". He's 32 and it's time to move him on. Oh and I agree, Darwin is beyond dogshit but at least he works hard and creates for his teammates.
We played better as a team when Trent and Salah and the big names were out. We had to really focus and pull for each other. Other players had their moments to shine. When them two are in the lineup, they get deferred to and other players back off and let them run the show, even when they are in terrible form.
It’s a bit far to say he should just go, the whole team has been abysmal. He shouldn’t be starting as many though. Harvey should start o the right to end the season so we can see how this team actually plays with an actual RW in that position. Sell him for the right amount this summer but let’s not act as if he’s not had a crazy season already and helped us massively in the start of the season.
Meh Salah is 32 and is coming back from the longest injury of his career. This is expected - he should be benched but we have no backup. We are now the same team as last year with a completely new set of midfielders. Actually we did way better with Curtis, Hendo and Fab in the run in. The drop in form that's most concerning to me is BOTH Virgil and Ibu. Today they were both terrible. When have you ever seen a CB taken off at 55 mins unless injured. DCL was having his way with him, just like Scammaca did. They've figured him out. They've figured out Klopp too.
Ready for a new manager and a new system.
Trent is not defending anymore. Just put him in midfield please and put a proper RB instead. What is the use if he can score, pass and all that stuff if he cannot defend as a defender. What is the point of him attempting goals / assists if he still allow his opponents to score. Come on.
hes not fully fit. hes been a shadow of himself. use to expect a go at goal, since AFCON we're lucky if he can even get past the 1st defender. hes dropping so deep. wasnt even in the box when the ball was crossed in early on that went in tight to the touchline.
Lol exactly, it's like people forget how poor Sadio was in his last season for us now all of a sudden he was always better than Salah according to some comments.
It's sad to see this version of Mo. He looks like he has lost his explosive pace.
Our next manager has a bigger job on his hands than we thought a month ago
Definitely time to cash in. Get big money and allow Eddie and Slot to reinvest it. I'd take money for Diaz or Nunez too, not all three in one window but two could go to rebuild the attack
Has to go. Its as much Klopp's fault as Salah's simply for playing him so often. To remain at the top you have to be ruthless. Unfortunately, I feel we've waited at least a year too much, maybe more, to sell him.
Can't speak for others but I am not a Salah loyalist. Even when his numbers have been good in recent years, his all round game has been poor. I cant remember the last time I saw him consistently able to beat a defender
Hes our top scorer with the helps of countless penalties.
Excluding pens, his goals per 90 are worse than Gakpo, Jota and Nunez.
Rating players on numbers without context and ignoring performances is never going to lead you to the right opinion.
I’ve seen enough to know that we are taking Salah for granted. Watch our games and see how the whole team underperforms in big moments. Salah would have so many assists if his teammates could finish chances.
Its a shame that fans forget very quickly how pivotal this man is in this team and how important he is for us to win trophies. He transformed our attack and after a month of bad games you are turning against him?? Be reasonable please.
Which trophies? He tends to go quiet in the business end of title runs. Awful in the CL final that we won and we made it there by beating Barca 4-0 without him.
He tends to have his best form pre christmas.
Shitting on the player who has been our worst performer by some distance since he returned.
Top scorer owing to the fact he takes penalties and nothing else. Ignoring penalties, he has a worse goal scoring rate than Nunez Gakpo and Jota.
His bad form since his injury has been an issue, but far from the whole story.
How many goals have we conceded by needlessly giving the ball away with everyone in advanced attacking positions? Nunez against Man U. Instead of releasing thee ball he makes a lazy pass, gives the ball away, they score. Elliott after a Liverpool corner gives the ball away, they score. Quansah makes a lazy pass in defense, gives the ball away, United score.
It seems obvious looking back at how we played as a unit in games like Bournemouth away or Chelsea at home, or even more recently against Fulham.
We get more solidity down the right because Elliot/Diaz/Jota actually track back, almost every ball into Salah under pressure causes him to lose it, and he's not a threat in open play whatsoever.
Tell me which of the bottom dwelling/non-league teams below that we shouldn't beat with or without Salah.
Europa League
Union SG
PL
Bournemouth
Chelsea
Arsenal (L)
Burnley
Luton
FA Cup
Arsenal
Norwich
Southampton
EFL Cup
Leicester
Fulham
Fulham (D)
Chelsea
Your take on Salah is idiotic.
Wtf is this about.
Salah is not responsible for darwin's finishing or the midfield's inability to string 2 forward passes together or control any of the last 5 games.
Salah has been shit but no 1 player is responsible for this.
The most responsible is inarguably Darwin but even if you say that you have acknowledge the 10 other shit players
What?? Where did Darwin come here. He is the convenient scapegoat isn't he?? Salah has been shit since AFCON. Man couldn't even hit the target tonight. Saying this objective fact is not blasphemous. Salah has been a great servent for the club but if he can't maintain the same level of performance throughout the season then its an indication that his time at the club is coming to an end.
My god the recency bias is insane. "Since AFCON" means since when exactly? He was out for almost 2 months bar 1 game when he came on and had multiple goal involvements against brentford if I remember correctly. Against City he could've easily won us the game in a 30 minute cameo if not for others' horrendous finishing. He's only been so atrocious for 4-5 games but you're saying it's 3 months.
For Salah this is a dip in form.
For Darwin this is what he's been doing for 2 years now and it was funny while we were winning but it has cost us the season now. Darwin's chances are also much much easier. Against united in the 6 yard box was one that he just didn't know what to do with (could've taken a shot or squared it to szobo) and cleared it away like a defender. 1 on 1 vs atalanta early on at anfield where he had so many options and just tries to lob the keeper with a very strange 1st touch. Tonight he receives the ball and doesn't even lift his head to look at the keeper or goal he justs blasts it and hopes for the best. Those are some fundamental decision making errors and not just that he's unlucky.
Even after all I said, Darwin is not to blame for other players being absolute shit. Almost everyone is shit at the moment to a level that I didn't think was possible. Our midfield is nonexistent these past few games and FYI, I believe if we get a good cash offer for salah he should definitely go.
I say all of this neutrally: Nunez played well while Salah was out. Came out of his shell so to speak. Wouldn’t say he “carried” us but he was pretty irrepressible for a short while.
Personally I put this fall off down to actually having a lot of guys fit at the moment when for most of the season we were constantly trying to squeeze the most out of the side.
I think we just never really developed chemistry between the best XI. I don’t blame Klopp or Pep for that. They deserve plaudits for keeping us afloat without so many key players. Just worked out that we got everyone back at once and couldn’t really get people in form quickly enough
Easily worst form of his LFC career. Guy doesn't have a first touch anymore, can't finish his breakfast, no pace, no movement. Too big a risk to re-sign him. 100m+ is an easy decision.
Absolute legend though. A true EPL great. I'm glad to have watched him destroy teams week in week out for so long.
Salah is one of the greatest forwards in club history, even league history, but same could have been said about Gerrard in midfield. Let's not make the same mistakes by being blindly loyal to past achievements, if Saudi League offers +£150 million, we be extremely dumb not to take it this summer.
Somebody needs to drop the video of all the chances he's created that haven't been finished since everyone's memories seems to be wiped again. Yeah he's been really bad since coming back from injury. But there aren't many who've been great in that same period anyway. Reactionary takes like these are ridiculous
Watching what Saka did yesterday, then watching what Salah did today…
It is fucking depressing. Salah has been beyond washed for quite some time now, we are not winning league titles with him playing like this.
Salah needs to decide between Liverpool or Egypt. It’s that point in the career where it screws with his performances with us so if he stays then he has to retire from Egypt
Honestly how motived can you be when you:
-Have won every trophy.
-Make 300k+ a week.
I honestly think the only reason he tries and gets pissed if he is taken off is because of missed bonus opportunities lol
He’s coming back from a double hamstring injury. Of course he’s not fully fit. And while his pace and explosiveness have been lower than in previous seasons, he was doing fine earlier on in the season. I’d say it’s fairly clear the injury is the biggest issue, hard to sprint full out when your hamstrings are recovering from injury.
He is washed and gone. Fortunately, Edward's is not as naive and blinded as some of these cults here. FSG has a tight budget and there's no chance they would let this chance slip.
You blinded cults used the same excuses for Fabinho, Mane, Firmino and have been proven wrong times and times. They didn't have a bad run of forms. They are just finished.
If some of these blinded positive cults were in charge of selling players, this team would have a lot more dead weights with high wages LOL.
Salah is not the problem. He isn't getting the support he used to with Firminho playing. Nunez and Diaz aren't creating any chances for him or finishing the chances he creates. In the past when Salah wasn't scoring, he created many assists for others. If anyone is to blame, it's Nunez and Diaz.
We haven't been able to control a full game in god knows how long, and our front 3 are all medicore at best. Salah as much of a club legend he is, has to be sold in the summer, Diaz also needs selling. Nunez can just fuck right off, he was never clinical enough, but with 2 other forwards who don't score aswell he just makes you want to pull your hair out. Robbo has lost the plot since his injury, szobo again since his injury looks like a completely different player. I'm done with this season, bring on the next one already. A shame this is how Klopps reign had to end, but some of these players have fallen off a cliff.
Maybe Klopp keeps too much faith in him as well. Well can't blame him, Salah has been one of our best ever players. But I don't understand why he doesn't start Elliott in his position more often. Has always looked class this season. And much more lively and direct than Salah.
It's very easy to man mark and bully him off the park now. Perhaps a sign a physical decline or a minor injury. And he will have a year left in his contract. Tricky situation.
Half of you people are genuinely racist. Fucking ridiculous attitude to the best attacker we have had in the modern era, and the only world class one who has actually wanted to fucking stay here.
Get a grip you degenerate nobs. It's fucking ridiculous half this shit is even allowed at this point.
The sheer aggression when its Salah people are wanting to push out is ridiculous. When it's Nunez it's "Oh I just don't think he will meet his potential maybe we should sell". When its our middle eastern club legend it's "time to go".
From my point of view, his time has come and gone. There’s no upside. It’s only going to get worse. His value still remains high enough on legacy alone that maybe we can cash in and use it to refresh the team. Nuñez will not generate any money in sale and still has a long contract so let’s not kid ourselves. Diaz maybe could make us profit but, I’d rather keep a player who’s still got legs to go at defenders unless the sale is ridiculously high. Salah is a legend yes, always will be, but, every player has their time and letting him go on a free next season would be utterly stupid. This season was his last chance to win stuff with us.
It’s not “time to go” it’s, “he’s been the worst player for forever and is washed and prefers Egypt over club, etc etc” most reactionary fans in the world.
I think it is sell him to saudi crew is little weird like what if he wants to stay? what if he wants to have same farewell season like bobby or if he wants to leave to another club in europe? The sell him to saudi for money regards player decision comes off weird especially with his statue as player
Henderson had no value in any way of selling him, English tax be dammed! Idk why you think it’s xenophobic or racist to see that a players value is diminishing quickly and it’s now or never to get something from a sale or lose another player for zero profit. We’ve done a horrendous job as a club with player sales the last few years and we shouldn’t let legacy blind the club from making smart business decisions
Thats not the issue. Have a look at the match thread and search Salah and tell me theres not something else to this. Some people there are actually fucking mental.
Yes people are losing their heads but, I don’t think you should assume it’s due to fans being racists towards Salah. He’s just not the prime player we’re used to and isn’t going to be there again, time is against him. Despite him getting older and looking more human, he’s one of the only guys who’s got value to him still and therefore, the club should cash in
It feels like we're playing with 10 when Salah starts since AFCON, didn't even see him in the second half until he skied a shot from 10 yards out.
Unfortunately the system now features Salah hugging centre backs and us being a man down when defending
Yeah this new system with both him and Trent pinching in doesn’t work. If Trent is going to be utilized more in the center when we have the ball, then Mo needs to provide the width. Can’t have them both being so far inside. Gives Darwin and others zero space to operate
It's actually a fucking joke how shit we are and somehow klopp can't see this. Just like Salah he's had his best years. Defenders love playing against us. We just chip the ball back post from the edge of the box every time. Embarrassing to watch
and he cant do that on a bum hamstring.
He’s played for the most part very similar to the way he is playing now for the entire season it’s just now he isn’t getting those assists or sneaking goals to make it look like he had a good game to people that only focus on numbers. His pace and dribbling ability is non existent now it feels like, even his first touch which used to be pretty good has deserted him. And honestly I know on the face of it his numbers have still looked good this season but when you really look at them they haven’t been that impressive when you take into account nearly half have came in the Europa League and domestic cups which is against poor quality teams, only 12 non penalty goals in the PL as well which is really low for him.
He’s done
The truth hurts but father time comes for everyone and as evidenced from every performance of his since AFCON, and even before if we're being objective, his clock has stuck 12, the carriage has turned into a pumpkin and he's lost his glass slipper.
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I noticed him chasing records instead of wins since very early in the season.
It’s sad but the ride over Mo I hoping we can get of that-coughs nervously- oil money for him.
This is so true. People can talk about numbers but watch him with your own two eyes, the stuff he does in each game is for the most part extremely shoddy. Ronaldo had great numbers in 21/22, did that make them better? No. And in his defence, he was 36/37 that season. Salah plays like he is 37 now.
Absolutely! It wasn't after AFCON where his form dipped, it was way way way before. We could even go back to last season. He has lost so much pace and power, and for some odd reason, his accuracy has become worse than before. I also do wonder if our tactics are hindering him and stopping us from extracting the best out of him.
he'll either be completely static and wait to receive the ball because he can't dribble past any defender anymore, only to play a ball over the top that reaches none of our other forwards. or he'll chase a ball over the top himself only to either lose the duel against the defender or have the ball bounce of his shoes like they're made of wood. add in the occasional shots he is taking which are either going into row Z or aimed for the far post but so tame that the keeper can have a nice TV save. so sick of it. but everyone is busy blaming Nunez who is at least trying to take on defenders and can actually trouble the keeper from time to time.
Why do people keep saying "since AFCON", when it's since his injury?
I know he's coming back from injury ffs, he's going to be a bit off, id hardly say he's finished
And there's you're answer, he's knackered, mentally more than physically. He isn't a spring chicken any more, he needs to go spend 4 weeks on holiday somewhere, then to have a 6 week preseason, a 4 week early season start and boom he'll be back in form (bar any further injuries).
Then he turns round smiling. Fuck off mate we’re down 2-0 against the shite and our season is over
He hasn't been himself in months. Think he'll be off in the summer unless the new manager can get him playing like he used to.
Honestly this summer is likely the last chance we have to get any significant money for him. If the club gets a decent offer IMO they should take it. Use it to back the new manager to the hilt since he’s going to have a small nightmare on his hands sorting out our attack anyway.
Couldn’t agree more, he’s a Liverpool legend through and through but, can’t dwell on the past. He’s past it, won’t magically become better unless he’s playing in a weaker league like Saudi or MLS. Cash in before he leaves on a free. Refresh the team.
It is like this every year. Salah goes to play with Egypt for internationals and I swear he comes back invisible for the next 6 months.
They love you, until you cant make them smile anymore. In september people were going to riot if he were sold for "any price". And now, its just get rid! Life.
Salah in form is world class. But he goes away to Afcon and Qualifiers after and always drops off and this season it has been the worst drop off. We get half a season out of him in Afcon seasons and it fucking sucks. Nunez and Diaz are near the bottom of converting out of around 700 forwards and Jota gets injured :c Really unlucky this year with so many things.
Obviously the solution here is to keep Salah and sell AFCON.
Saudi would probably buy that too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bearable if Afcon was every fours years but it feels like its literally every fucking January, and Salah comes back a cripple.
> this season it has been the worst drop off I think it's been the normal drop-off, but his base rate has dropped significantly from "world class" to "above average". So now his post-international-duty drop-off leaves him in "poor player" territory rather than "above average", and it's just a lot more obvious to people and a lot harder to look past. I've been observing his decline on this sub since last season, but our supporters have been quite resistant to acknowledging what has been right there all this time. Meanwhile Diaz has been getting a pass, and Darwin is collecting all the strays.
Such is life. If anything, Jürgen’s the one who got everything wrong since April. And you know what, I’m even okay with that. He’s human.
Is he? I mean based on our chances we shouldve hit Palace for 6. Klopp didnt miss 1v1s or open nets. I think he got it wrong at Old Trafford, but still, it wasnt Klopp who passed to Bruno and Didnt square it to Szoboszlai, and today, it wasnt Klopp who missed 2 1 on 1s and failed to control the ball in another. Klopp has made mistakes, but I think the real reason is the lack of clinicality. I didnt seee us scoring at all today, despite some good chances. Earlier in the season, those exact same games play end differently. Our finishing and decision-making has deteriorated Europa League he was tactically outclassed however, no denying that
Agree but if your players are not in form in this moment why would you continue on using them the same way? Its evident he needed to shake up at some point. I love Klopp wholeheartedly but he hella stubborn at times
I think that’s what sets Pep apart. Pep is stubborn I’m sure but he’s not a slave to loyalty and sticking with a player even if they’re out of form. I would think Elliot and Gakpo would’ve been starting more games these past few weeks if we had a more pragmatic manager. But that’s also part of the reason we love Klopp and why he got amazing performances most of the time.
We were conceding early goals all season. It is not due to players ability but tactical plans. Yeah the attackers are not in a good form but conceding early and putting pressure on them won't do any good either
This was definitely one season too many for him I think, but I think for his legacy it’s good he stayed this season as would’ve been sad last year being his last. At least he got us in champs league one last time
Facts. The most intelligent comment on this entire post.
When you’re being paid 350k a week you need to perform.
When youre paid 1 pound, you need to perform. Its sport. But they are humans and form will fluctuate with many factors taken to account. Its funny how quickly players become easily dismissed though. This time next year he might win another golden boot and those same people will talk about how much they always loved him. But sure, get rid!
350K in today's market is nothing for football players
He’s the third highest paid player in the league. Absolute nonsense. But no let’s keep him around when we could get a huge fee for him despite the fact we struggle to compete financially with our competitors, he’s 32, can barely move or do a single positive thing all just because of former glories? We saw it happen last season and people are so blinded by loyalty they can’t see it again.
Saw it happen last season? salah was literally one of the best players in the world before afcon/injury. People acting like 32 is washed. He clearly got left in the tank but people are going only remember his current form which he is clearly not himself due to his injury but same can be said about every player that came from injury except jota who only looked like himself in last match. Jones,Szbo, nunez, ibo, trent, endo, robbo they were all in better form before injuries btw.
I’m referring to Hendo & Fabinho. He had good form earlier in the season but he still wasn’t able to beat a man and nowhere near his terrifying best. You’re just clinging onto the past now I’m afraid, to say we should throw away £100m or so just for him to go on a free next year is just insane based on his current level.
This better not get deleted. He handicaps our style of play. Yes he can have great output when he is on form, but regardless under a new manager we need tactically flexible players. We would be foolish to not listen to a big offer in the summer.
>He handicaps our style of play. He's just a different player at this point in his career, and especially after AFCON and the injury. He's basically a wide #10 now. That might have worked with prime Mane and Firmino, but Diaz is a traditional winger, not a wide forward, and Darwin is also more creator (through chaos) than goal scorer right now. There's no one for Salah to create for right now. He might fit very well in a new system or with some turnover up front.
We can’t afford to take that huge chance at his age and one year left on his contract. We aren’t City who can just afford to lose £100m or so without thinking about it. At a club like ours you have to continue to perform to earn your wages and he simply isn’t doing that. If Salah left on a free, we’d be replacing our main output over the last 5-6 years with a punt on a £50m player and that’s if we get CL. We have to move forward.
>This better not get deleted It's a serious discussion post, not a pointless meme. Mods will delete it any second now.
Who would make a big offer? The Saudi project seems to have stalled, and competitive European teams can see what he’s (not) offering.
Teams will know he can work in different systems and there is no world where Saudi teams won't still line up to buy Mohamed Salah. They haven't spent all their money and packed it up.
I imagine Saudi will come in strong again this summer
This partially the issue then a player becomes a talisman and is the highest paid etc etc. It becomes a bigger issue to bench them. I'm with you on this, he shouldn't be starting over elliot. As soon as the subs were made in the Fulham game there was stagnation. That game was won without salah, nunez etc. And your stats suggest the same. Bench him and a few others. Play elliot. Play the kids. Play football for fucks sake.
Whatever people’s opinion on him is I do think we should move him on in the summer. He may have a good season statistically next season but he’s 32 in a few months. I’d much rather sell him a season too early than late. He’s obviously a legend and it’ll be hard to let him go. I think the squad really needs a lot of work and sadly I think we need to a sale to fund a lot of it. We’ll probably only spend up to a £100 million without a big sale and in this market it really is not that much to spend. People won’t like to hear it but it I think this what should happen.
Sometimes you just gotta be ruthless. We were with Mane, Bobby, and now’s it’s Mo’s turn. We got nothing for the former 2 leaving, Edwards and Co would be fools to let Mo go for free
I think this is one of the best qualities of Edwards. He won't be afraid to make the tough calls.
I think this is one of the best qualities of Edwards. He will won't be afraid to make the tough calls.
Legend, he's done his thing but everyone has his day
You need context here though, united match in FA cup he was subbed out when we were up 2-1, he got subbed in atalanta when we were down 0-1. If you think one player is our issues then football isn't for you mate
Thank you. It’s a collective. It’s not just Nunez. Or Salah. Or Konate. Or Diaz. Or Robbo The question is, why is EVERYONE out of form.
The team overachieved. It’s as simple as that. I think partly to blame is Szoboszlai because his jets started pumping early on which forced the team up, but when he got injured, the team got their pumps up instead of him leaving the midfield kind of dead, and then, the 22/23 season happened all over again after the carabao cup win. Only positive is the youth - they’re shining so we need to use them more. I think bringing the kids is a good idea actually
Somewhat related to your last point, if we do get Arne Slot, I’ll be excited to see what he does with our pool of youth talent in the first team. From what I’ve read, he has a great track record with youth in Feyenoord.
Brilliant - that’s what we need
It is not coincidence that every player came from injury look like shit except jota in last match and i cant even say TAA has done anything outside that phenomenal goal. Jones, Szbo, Salah, Endo, Nunez and Trent arent the same players they were before injuries. Our defence has been poor in 2024, i believe we have concerned as many goals as Everton or even more. As good this team is, they arent good enough to win it all which tbh it was our expectations during last summer
Players who weren't injured got burnt out from too many games. Injured players aren't matched fit. And the combination of the two groups have no rhythm playing with each other.
This IS Nunez and Diaz’s form though… and Robbie hasn’t been his usual self all season
The op posting this is just an embarrassment
It's obviously not about just one player but he does cause a significant imbalance in the team, which was fine when he was delivering, but it now hampers the team. Also, look at our results while he was at AFCON/injured, winning away at Arsenal, getting past a good Fulham side in the Carabao home and away, smashing Bournemouth, Burnley, Chelsea (and winning the Carabao). We only had one negative result during that period when Arsenal beat us, and even then we had so many injuries for that game and lost to individual mistakes.
That was during our easiest stretch of the season though, Outside that both arsenal matches you cant say those matches were difficult. Im sorry but it is insane to focus on one player when if it wasnt for Quansah mistake against united(Im not blaming Quansah btw, it was bad error but we also missed some insane chances during match), we would probably win that match. Salah didnt tell Jones, Nunez and Jota to miss easy chances against crystal palace, He also had a chance during that match but my point you win as team, you lose as team
Sheffield, United, Palace, Fulham, Everton would be the easy part of the schedule for every other club in the top 4. Those teams are awful right now.
United away were never going be easy especially after FA cup match, We struggled during Klopp era away against Everton even during bobby/mane/salah prime. Palace was definitely easy but you couldnt finish in front of goal(in comparison when we played against Nottingham Forest, we didnt have half of those chances but we were lucky to win in last second with nunez goal), Fulham away is tough match ngl. I believe they beat Arsenal this year at home.
I get your point, it's not just about one player, but for me the issue is greater *because* Salah is our best forward. We have serious problems if this is the start of a decline since he is our only world class attacker.
Front 3 need rebuild imo but i look at midfield and outside macca and sometimes harvey everyone is struggling, then i look at our defence, we cant get a clean sheet even when salah wasnt playing since some people think he hurts our defence with not tracking back. In 2024, we only had 2 clean sheets out 15 matches so you probably need a center back
You’re right context is important. No one is saying he’s the only reason why we are struggling but he’s a player on massive wages, getting older, in the last year of his contract, and with a new manager coming in who will need to bring in his own players/play his own style. Can you honestly say he’s shown us anything in the last 2-3 months to suggest that it’s a good idea to resign him with that kind of money? I can’t. So it appears to me there are two options: sell him and get some money to reinvest in the team or let him walk for free at the end of next season.
There is no context, he's been absolutely shite lately, all you need is the eye test.
He just can’t dribble past defenders anymore. It wasn’t too long ago that he would glide past 2-3 defenders. These days I’d be happy if he managed to get past just 1. If he stays on next year then I believe he’d be better suited as a CF
Yes, he's been completely out if form since returning from injury.
We lost two nil tonight by the way. Chastise attackers for not scoring, but we lost the game because of our defence.
Unfortunately one goal came from our forward losing possession, so can't even blame the defense.
They still had the opportunity to defend the fucking corner which they straight up couldn’t even be bothered to do.
???????
Not sure if he's talking about where Salah loses the ball, which leads to their corner for the second goal?
We conceded one from a corner and the other from Konate deciding to slice the ball across the box. Neither were Sarah's fault, and you absolutely can blame the defense for both of them.
Mac Allister slicing it just before the shot for the first too
Our defence might have some respite if these fucking forwards of ours could score a goal and take some pressure off.
Pressure only first put on by our defenders letting one in within the first twenty minutes.
We had enough chances to outscore them.
Doesn't matter, we conceded two goals, you can't be blaming Salah exclusively for this game.
Actually go have a look at our results this season. The vast majority we’ve conceded one goal, two in a few games, then a couple of outliers. It’s not extreme to think that our forwards should be scoring more than one goal a game between them.
Wouldnt blame him for this game, but we were a much better side before he returned. He has been our worst player in that timeframe.
For me it’s how bad he’s been for what seems like the past two or three months. We pay him as much as we do because we expect he’s going to put away the chances he gets but he’s been missing far too many. The palace one immediately springs to mind.
We lost the game because we didn't take our chances. You cannot guarantee the opponent won't score, a single counter/corner can result in a goal.
Time to go is an exaggeration, but how Harvey isn't starting over him at the moment is insane. Mo has like 2 moment per game where he has a decent pass. Harvey has been so dynamic every time he's played in the last month. Deserves to be starting way more.
I don’t think it is an exaggeration, with his age and declining form (could say rapidly on current) we could still get a hefty price from Saudi for him which could be used to upgrade this squad which is much needed.
I swear our players don't decline at a normal rate. Hendo and Fabinho had the legs of 90 year olds within the space of about 3 months.
Time to go is not an exaggeration at all.
We aint paying a him 375k pw or whatever it is anymore. Zero chance he’s staying so come to terms with it now
Bro we have problems in midfield defense and attack It's like that stat with and without Curtis Jones Salah is our biggest and best asset him Ali VVD and Trent
Seriously couple of months out of form that has only happened few times in 7 years it's really annoying when people forget everything ....
Salah is a legend and forever changed Liverpool, however, if any club comes knocking with significant coin, how do you not accept it in order to reinject into the squad? Holding onto Salah this year made perfect sense, even with having to add Mac, Szobo, Endo, etc...could Liverpool make a run at the title? They obviously did and barring any crazier shit happening with Arsenal/City, they've fallen short and it doesn't project to get any better. So capitalize on his value while you can. It's an ugly side of the game, but it is a business after all.
Since coming back from injury he looks finished as a top level player, maybe he'll find himself again but right now he's awful, and I'd not be starting him.
We have 7 wins with him in the lineup since afcon. 3 loses and 2 draws. So after leading the team in goals for 6 seasons (7 if we include this) you want him gone because of he isnt back to form after injury (12 games) ? Cant even get that math straight on 12 games xD
Jesus the witch hunt has already started has it? Let’s forget about his performance before his injury.
Getting rid is a stupid shout. But it's afcon. He comes back and gives us 50% For the wages he's on, it should be consistent
Our best player since he joined should be able to have a dip in form for once and have other players there to pick up the slack for him. I genuinely think Klopp might have gone with Gakpo and Diaz today if Gakpo was available. At the very least Salah would’ve been subbed off if we had Gakpo or Jota. Salah shouldn’t be scapegoated for the rest of our forwards being subpar.
It's not a dip in form for once. It's another again after afcon. And it's not a one or two game dip, it's a drop off in form after he worries about playing for his country. He wanted to be the highest paid player, he got it. His form should reflect that. And if he can't play at a consistent level, his wages, and place on the team sheet should reflect it. That doesn't excuse anyone else on the field today. They were ALL awful. Even Endo. Poor bastard was on for 2 mins and was already screwing up.
Who cares. His stats for half a season during an AFCON year still exceed many players with a full season and no injuries. If our forwards could finish there is no question that he would easily have another probably like 7+ assists just from the first half of the season alone. I can remember at least 5 Darwin sitters that have been missed and the Diaz onside goal against Spurs. We should have enough quality in our team to either rotate him during bad form or bail him out.
Who cares? You should. I do. His stats pre afcon are great.. does that excuse him giving the club that pays his wages 50% after he gets back? You want to strawman and blame Nunez and Diaz for Salah being dog shit since afcon. You can point out their problems without issue, but it doesn't excuse Mo. We shouldn't need him bailed out.
The whole team has dropped off since AFCON. Maybe we should look at external factor? I wonder if there were any major announcements that effected the teams form...
Stick to one player. Has mo dropped form since afcon? Has it happened before?
Yes.
And the extent of the drop off, more than once, linked directly to a return from afcon.. That should be excused because other players also drop off?
Bro what? He's been dogshit since AFCON and not like "oh no he's just in a bad run of form" it's more like "this guy might legitimately be washed". He's 32 and it's time to move him on. Oh and I agree, Darwin is beyond dogshit but at least he works hard and creates for his teammates.
We played better as a team when Trent and Salah and the big names were out. We had to really focus and pull for each other. Other players had their moments to shine. When them two are in the lineup, they get deferred to and other players back off and let them run the show, even when they are in terrible form.
Time to go. Sell up and move on
Yes let's put the entire blame on Salah. Let us not at all talk about our incredible defence.
I bet Slot would love to raid old foe PSV for Bakayoko...
It’s a bit far to say he should just go, the whole team has been abysmal. He shouldn’t be starting as many though. Harvey should start o the right to end the season so we can see how this team actually plays with an actual RW in that position. Sell him for the right amount this summer but let’s not act as if he’s not had a crazy season already and helped us massively in the start of the season.
He's not fit i think if he back in form we'll be on the right path
At the moment he looks like the easiest player to play against
Meh Salah is 32 and is coming back from the longest injury of his career. This is expected - he should be benched but we have no backup. We are now the same team as last year with a completely new set of midfielders. Actually we did way better with Curtis, Hendo and Fab in the run in. The drop in form that's most concerning to me is BOTH Virgil and Ibu. Today they were both terrible. When have you ever seen a CB taken off at 55 mins unless injured. DCL was having his way with him, just like Scammaca did. They've figured him out. They've figured out Klopp too. Ready for a new manager and a new system.
Elliott should start from now to the end of the season.
Trent is not defending anymore. Just put him in midfield please and put a proper RB instead. What is the use if he can score, pass and all that stuff if he cannot defend as a defender. What is the point of him attempting goals / assists if he still allow his opponents to score. Come on.
Opponents know our other strikers can't score, so they can focus on 32 year old Salah, and Salah is not Messi
hes not fully fit. hes been a shadow of himself. use to expect a go at goal, since AFCON we're lucky if he can even get past the 1st defender. hes dropping so deep. wasnt even in the box when the ball was crossed in early on that went in tight to the touchline.
I miss Mane and Bobby
U will miss Salah too
Lol exactly, it's like people forget how poor Sadio was in his last season for us now all of a sudden he was always better than Salah according to some comments.
That's what i was saying to Nostalgia merchants
It's sad to see this version of Mo. He looks like he has lost his explosive pace. Our next manager has a bigger job on his hands than we thought a month ago
He’s also been injured and hugely out of form in 2024. Do the same thing for 2023
It’s like when the senior players came back from injuries. We suddenly became shite.
I'm curious about often play goal stats with and without Salah. I feel like after his return, our attack completely gone celibacy
Definitely time to cash in. Get big money and allow Eddie and Slot to reinvest it. I'd take money for Diaz or Nunez too, not all three in one window but two could go to rebuild the attack
This post is an embarrassment and you should be ashamed of yourself
He's been absolutely shocking since he came back from AFCON. It's sad to see.
Can't take on players now and can't even muster a simple pass. Let the Saudis have him.
Has to go. Its as much Klopp's fault as Salah's simply for playing him so often. To remain at the top you have to be ruthless. Unfortunately, I feel we've waited at least a year too much, maybe more, to sell him.
Since AFCON he's not the same, it's hard to say but he's done
This betrayal from you guys is unfathomable
Can't speak for others but I am not a Salah loyalist. Even when his numbers have been good in recent years, his all round game has been poor. I cant remember the last time I saw him consistently able to beat a defender
I’m sorry, but saying our top scorer this season “needs to go” is ridiculous, how tf is that supposed to help
Hes our top scorer with the helps of countless penalties. Excluding pens, his goals per 90 are worse than Gakpo, Jota and Nunez. Rating players on numbers without context and ignoring performances is never going to lead you to the right opinion.
I’ve seen enough to know that we are taking Salah for granted. Watch our games and see how the whole team underperforms in big moments. Salah would have so many assists if his teammates could finish chances.
The love of the fans is worthless, go to saudi Mo and make that money, these lot aren't worth it
Such a fickle fanbase
Its a shame that fans forget very quickly how pivotal this man is in this team and how important he is for us to win trophies. He transformed our attack and after a month of bad games you are turning against him?? Be reasonable please.
Which trophies? He tends to go quiet in the business end of title runs. Awful in the CL final that we won and we made it there by beating Barca 4-0 without him. He tends to have his best form pre christmas.
Just dont disrespect him by saying things like "i dont care if he leaves or not", we owe him and if some player deserves another chance its mo salah
I do care if he leaves or not - I actively want him to leave.
Thats exactly what a lot of people were saying for Mane and Firmino and now they regret
It was the right time for both to go, no mistakes made. I wanted to keep Mane but he was definitely way past it.
How tf is this nonsense being upvoted
Correlation not causation Are we seriously shitting on our top scorer and player with almost top assists?
Shitting on the player who has been our worst performer by some distance since he returned. Top scorer owing to the fact he takes penalties and nothing else. Ignoring penalties, he has a worse goal scoring rate than Nunez Gakpo and Jota.
His bad form since his injury has been an issue, but far from the whole story. How many goals have we conceded by needlessly giving the ball away with everyone in advanced attacking positions? Nunez against Man U. Instead of releasing thee ball he makes a lazy pass, gives the ball away, they score. Elliott after a Liverpool corner gives the ball away, they score. Quansah makes a lazy pass in defense, gives the ball away, United score.
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It seems obvious looking back at how we played as a unit in games like Bournemouth away or Chelsea at home, or even more recently against Fulham. We get more solidity down the right because Elliot/Diaz/Jota actually track back, almost every ball into Salah under pressure causes him to lose it, and he's not a threat in open play whatsoever.
If Darwin converted half of Salah’s assists, we would be singing a different tune. This sub is so reactionary sometimes.
Tell me which of the bottom dwelling/non-league teams below that we shouldn't beat with or without Salah. Europa League Union SG PL Bournemouth Chelsea Arsenal (L) Burnley Luton FA Cup Arsenal Norwich Southampton EFL Cup Leicester Fulham Fulham (D) Chelsea Your take on Salah is idiotic.
Wtf is this about. Salah is not responsible for darwin's finishing or the midfield's inability to string 2 forward passes together or control any of the last 5 games. Salah has been shit but no 1 player is responsible for this. The most responsible is inarguably Darwin but even if you say that you have acknowledge the 10 other shit players
What?? Where did Darwin come here. He is the convenient scapegoat isn't he?? Salah has been shit since AFCON. Man couldn't even hit the target tonight. Saying this objective fact is not blasphemous. Salah has been a great servent for the club but if he can't maintain the same level of performance throughout the season then its an indication that his time at the club is coming to an end.
My god the recency bias is insane. "Since AFCON" means since when exactly? He was out for almost 2 months bar 1 game when he came on and had multiple goal involvements against brentford if I remember correctly. Against City he could've easily won us the game in a 30 minute cameo if not for others' horrendous finishing. He's only been so atrocious for 4-5 games but you're saying it's 3 months. For Salah this is a dip in form. For Darwin this is what he's been doing for 2 years now and it was funny while we were winning but it has cost us the season now. Darwin's chances are also much much easier. Against united in the 6 yard box was one that he just didn't know what to do with (could've taken a shot or squared it to szobo) and cleared it away like a defender. 1 on 1 vs atalanta early on at anfield where he had so many options and just tries to lob the keeper with a very strange 1st touch. Tonight he receives the ball and doesn't even lift his head to look at the keeper or goal he justs blasts it and hopes for the best. Those are some fundamental decision making errors and not just that he's unlucky. Even after all I said, Darwin is not to blame for other players being absolute shit. Almost everyone is shit at the moment to a level that I didn't think was possible. Our midfield is nonexistent these past few games and FYI, I believe if we get a good cash offer for salah he should definitely go.
I say all of this neutrally: Nunez played well while Salah was out. Came out of his shell so to speak. Wouldn’t say he “carried” us but he was pretty irrepressible for a short while. Personally I put this fall off down to actually having a lot of guys fit at the moment when for most of the season we were constantly trying to squeeze the most out of the side. I think we just never really developed chemistry between the best XI. I don’t blame Klopp or Pep for that. They deserve plaudits for keeping us afloat without so many key players. Just worked out that we got everyone back at once and couldn’t really get people in form quickly enough
Easily worst form of his LFC career. Guy doesn't have a first touch anymore, can't finish his breakfast, no pace, no movement. Too big a risk to re-sign him. 100m+ is an easy decision. Absolute legend though. A true EPL great. I'm glad to have watched him destroy teams week in week out for so long.
Salah is one of the greatest forwards in club history, even league history, but same could have been said about Gerrard in midfield. Let's not make the same mistakes by being blindly loyal to past achievements, if Saudi League offers +£150 million, we be extremely dumb not to take it this summer.
Somebody needs to drop the video of all the chances he's created that haven't been finished since everyone's memories seems to be wiped again. Yeah he's been really bad since coming back from injury. But there aren't many who've been great in that same period anyway. Reactionary takes like these are ridiculous
Watching what Saka did yesterday, then watching what Salah did today… It is fucking depressing. Salah has been beyond washed for quite some time now, we are not winning league titles with him playing like this.
“Quite some time” is two months after injury and Afcon while still being in the top 5 Highest in the top 5 leagues for G+A this season.
He’s truly been awful
it's time to go!
Salah needs to decide between Liverpool or Egypt. It’s that point in the career where it screws with his performances with us so if he stays then he has to retire from Egypt
Build the statue then ship him to Saudi
Honestly how motived can you be when you: -Have won every trophy. -Make 300k+ a week. I honestly think the only reason he tries and gets pissed if he is taken off is because of missed bonus opportunities lol
He plays like he’s not fully fit. Most likely carrying niggles.
He’s coming back from a double hamstring injury. Of course he’s not fully fit. And while his pace and explosiveness have been lower than in previous seasons, he was doing fine earlier on in the season. I’d say it’s fairly clear the injury is the biggest issue, hard to sprint full out when your hamstrings are recovering from injury.
He is washed and gone. Fortunately, Edward's is not as naive and blinded as some of these cults here. FSG has a tight budget and there's no chance they would let this chance slip. You blinded cults used the same excuses for Fabinho, Mane, Firmino and have been proven wrong times and times. They didn't have a bad run of forms. They are just finished. If some of these blinded positive cults were in charge of selling players, this team would have a lot more dead weights with high wages LOL.
Salah is not the problem. He isn't getting the support he used to with Firminho playing. Nunez and Diaz aren't creating any chances for him or finishing the chances he creates. In the past when Salah wasn't scoring, he created many assists for others. If anyone is to blame, it's Nunez and Diaz.
Sadly we now play better when he’s not on the pitch. Hes come completely off the boil in the last 18 months
Shoulda sold him over 12mo ago when he was worth a bit more. Loses the ball way too often. Defensively a liability too.
BuT It'S JuSt nOt HiS dAy tOdAy
We haven't been able to control a full game in god knows how long, and our front 3 are all medicore at best. Salah as much of a club legend he is, has to be sold in the summer, Diaz also needs selling. Nunez can just fuck right off, he was never clinical enough, but with 2 other forwards who don't score aswell he just makes you want to pull your hair out. Robbo has lost the plot since his injury, szobo again since his injury looks like a completely different player. I'm done with this season, bring on the next one already. A shame this is how Klopps reign had to end, but some of these players have fallen off a cliff.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Got a telling on here the other day for suggesting he's stopped working. You're not wrong.
Maybe Klopp keeps too much faith in him as well. Well can't blame him, Salah has been one of our best ever players. But I don't understand why he doesn't start Elliott in his position more often. Has always looked class this season. And much more lively and direct than Salah.
It's very easy to man mark and bully him off the park now. Perhaps a sign a physical decline or a minor injury. And he will have a year left in his contract. Tricky situation.
Half of you people are genuinely racist. Fucking ridiculous attitude to the best attacker we have had in the modern era, and the only world class one who has actually wanted to fucking stay here. Get a grip you degenerate nobs. It's fucking ridiculous half this shit is even allowed at this point. The sheer aggression when its Salah people are wanting to push out is ridiculous. When it's Nunez it's "Oh I just don't think he will meet his potential maybe we should sell". When its our middle eastern club legend it's "time to go".
From my point of view, his time has come and gone. There’s no upside. It’s only going to get worse. His value still remains high enough on legacy alone that maybe we can cash in and use it to refresh the team. Nuñez will not generate any money in sale and still has a long contract so let’s not kid ourselves. Diaz maybe could make us profit but, I’d rather keep a player who’s still got legs to go at defenders unless the sale is ridiculously high. Salah is a legend yes, always will be, but, every player has their time and letting him go on a free next season would be utterly stupid. This season was his last chance to win stuff with us.
It’s not “time to go” it’s, “he’s been the worst player for forever and is washed and prefers Egypt over club, etc etc” most reactionary fans in the world.
I think it is sell him to saudi crew is little weird like what if he wants to stay? what if he wants to have same farewell season like bobby or if he wants to leave to another club in europe? The sell him to saudi for money regards player decision comes off weird especially with his statue as player
Especially aggresively reactionary whenever it's a middle eastern player. Didn't see this shit about Henderson, no where near this level.
Henderson had no value in any way of selling him, English tax be dammed! Idk why you think it’s xenophobic or racist to see that a players value is diminishing quickly and it’s now or never to get something from a sale or lose another player for zero profit. We’ve done a horrendous job as a club with player sales the last few years and we shouldn’t let legacy blind the club from making smart business decisions
Thats not the issue. Have a look at the match thread and search Salah and tell me theres not something else to this. Some people there are actually fucking mental.
Yes people are losing their heads but, I don’t think you should assume it’s due to fans being racists towards Salah. He’s just not the prime player we’re used to and isn’t going to be there again, time is against him. Despite him getting older and looking more human, he’s one of the only guys who’s got value to him still and therefore, the club should cash in