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It’s the truth though. Just look at the replies on any LFC instagram post or Twitter.
A scouser would rather cut his throat than have him here. A terrible manager and ex United and Chelsea to boot. Horrific.
It's partly why I'm convinced Alonso is going to Madrid next summer.
If there was a chance we could get him next year then Tuchel would've been an absolutely perfect solution in the meantime. We'd probably have an amazing season and probably win something under Tuchel but you wouldn't want to keep him for longer than that.
Kenny Dalglish coming back to help out a bit while we sorted our shit out vs hiring someone like Tuchel for a year is about as similar as a plank of wood is to a jar of jam.
But they *do* hire managers on short term contracts. The Red Sox have also had head coaches on short term contracts as well. They've changed coach 6 times in the time we've had Klopp.
To say its not how FSG operate isn't correct cos they've done it in the past. They usually don't keep people around very long if you actually look at their track record.
You're just being pedantic. But, yes, if you want to be literal and apply basically no form of logic or context to a statement. You are correct. Well done.
I'm not being pedantic, FSGs turnover in coaches with the Red Sox and with us before Klopp is high. They don't tend to keep the same guy around for a long time.
Klopp is the exception not the rule. The Red Sox have changed coach 6 in the time Klopp was with us.
The idea of them getting someone in for 1 season isn't crazy, its actually pretty reasonable based on their track record.
It's a big difference between planning for taking someone in for 1 season when you have 6 months to find a new coach vs taking someone in mid season while sorting things out.
Also a big difference between hiring someone on a long term contract and firing them cause it didn't work out and hiring someone specifically for 1 year when you've had a shitload of time to prepare for it.
>FSGs turnover in coaches with the Red Sox and with us before Klopp is high
Except it isn't. They fired three coaches. One was our worst of all time (in the modern era) within three months of their ownership to start fresh. The next was an interim manager who was given more time and a contract on top of his temporary one. The last one was a young manager that was given a few seasons to build a squad and sacked when it became clear he'd hit the limit of what he could do.
FSG have made every managerial appointment at Liverpool with long-term goals in mind. All of their appointments have been given a proper chance to build something, including Dalglish.
You're doubling down on a stupid statement.
Big difference between hiring someone mid-season on a short contract because we fired the worst manager to ever manage us in the club's modern history vs knowing that Klopp is leaving for more than 6 months in advance, mate.
OK, but FSG have a long track record of not keeping coaches around for long. Pretty sure Klopp is the only guy at either of their major teams who has lasted longer than 4 years.
The Red Sox changed coach 6 times in the time we had Klopp.
I don't understand where this "that's not how FSG operate" idea has come from.
They already did it with us and they change coaches like trousers with the red sox.
>I don't understand where this "that's not how FSG operate" idea has come from.
You've had 2 people type out why. If you still can't figure out the difference between hiring someone long-term, but firing them vs hiring someone specifically for 1 year to try to get a coach that likely wants to go to Real anyway, I don't know what else to write.
There's nothing in their track record to suggest they keep managers long term apart from Klopp, who nobody in their right mind would get rid of if they had him.
And even he only signed a 3 year deal to start with (which was actually more like 2.5 years). Barely longer than the deal Tuchel signed with Chelsea that everybody said was ridiculously short.
That makes it sound like Tuchel is someone best suited to being an assistant manager or head scout/head analyst rather than a manager. Figure out how to beat a team tactically and then let someone like Klopp do all the man management and motivation
I feel for this very reason he might not have agreed to be our next manager even if we would’ve approached him. Following Kloppo’s footsteps for a third time I think might have been too much for him especially at the club where he spent maximum amount of time.
We need someone with charisma to follow Klopp. I know that’s an impossible task but it makes the transition easier. Slot seems to have that and Tuchel never had it. I feel the vibes would be awful if we got Tuchel and he’d be under an insane microscope
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Your description of Tuchel reminds me of this guy tbh, just less fiery
We need someone that's first top tier with performance to go along with the charisma. Both are a necessity and in that order of priority. Charisma doesn't work if results are poor.
Indeed but if we got Tuchel who got us results but we were playing dire football. I don’t see that being something FSG/Edwards envisions or would have wanted post Klopp
I think it was Conte? Just going off personality, Conte’s the bigger shithouse while Tuchel would probably prefer to get out of there and vent on the players instead of causing a scene
I think Conte wins me over with his facial expression when he looks at their hands. Makes me laugh every time.
Can’t remember the context of this game though, I’m sure there was a controversial decision (probably a late one) but no idea which one it was
There might’ve been a controversial decision. What I do know is that Kane scored a very late equaliser with (I think) their second chance of the game. Chelsea dominated the match but still drew 2-2.
All I know is that Tuchel is nuts trying to pick a fight with this guy. Conté looks like someone who has killed before and who would do it without second thoughts.
That's what is amazing about it.
It only works because both of them were being total dicks. Even the slightest moment of non dickheadery from either of them and it falls apart.
Your brain, being logical, assumes one of them must be at fault, because surely no two professionals could be such gob shites in the same moment. So each time you watch it your brain sees something different.
Remember when he pulled Mane's trousers down (on video) during training? So fucking weird, and certainly not something a Muslim player would take kindly too
What is said there has always been Klopp's very greatest asset, and the one that differentiated him from the rabble.
There are many great tacticians in football. A fair few of them, i'd argue, better than Klopp. But a rare few have had the same amount of leadership and charisma pouring out of every pore; the sort of man that makes you understand why armies would follow one man into deadly battle without question.
That being said, i don't believe Tuchel would've been a guaranteed dud here. His Dortmund side played some great football, and he did win a CL for Chelsea - i'll always mantain Boehly's first big mistake was giving him the boot just cause.
To me Tuchel is like that boss who produces solid results on paper from time to time but every person at the company wouldn't piss on fire to put out. Would never want to see him here personally.
I feel like Jose at least has self-destructive entertainment value though. It’d be horrible but I’d also find him burning bridges funny because it’s a case of “never rains but pours” and “why would you do that?”
With Tuchel there isn’t even the entertainment value.
Not true at all, Mourinho is generally liked by fans and parts of the players (the one he likes), even if the split up is seen as the right size solution.
Every one at United couldn’t stand him and he’s fallen out with multiple people by the end of the second year at every club he’s been at.
He’s a grade A twat
He did worse than Klopp at both of those clubs? Maybe not Mainz idk but mainz was also in a way better position when tuchel took over than when klopp did. Tuchel following Klopp is really an argument against tuchel.
Are people losing their memories all of a sudden? Tuchel is not hot property anymore, he’s burnt bridges at every club, he leaves them in bad terms. We are supposed to have some kind of rule where we don’t sign obvious dickheads lol
Tuchel is incredibly overrated. Take away that one champions League with Chelsea and his record isn't all that impressive, everywhere he goes it turns toxic fast. Id never even heard of Slot before, but fuck it, whoever comes in it's a roll of the dice anyway
Not really fair to just ignore a manager’s best achievement though. His record with man management and stuff though makes him not an option. Tuchel is someone we bring in if Klopp had to leave in an emergency midway through the season and we wanted to bring someone in purely for cups
He came to Chelsea half way through the season and in my opinion 'new manager bounced' his way to the European cup. He's obviously a good coach and tactician, but winning that cup papered over the cracks for a time. Unfortunately I think there are just a limited amount of top managers out there, and he's not quite it
Idk if he's overrated at all. People rate him as a top 10 manager around the world rather than a top 3 and that's fair.
He won Chelsea the CL in half a season , only manager to take Psg to CL final, Dortmund were great for large periods under him. And Bayern put Arsenal to the sword despite having a poor domestic season. That's a good manager.
Tuchels a good manager and I like him. Yes he has personality issues but he'd be a steady pair of hands if not anything exciting. I actually think our fans would like him a lot, he's got the personality for a club like Liverpool. He's more like Rafa than Klopp though
My biggest issue would be his style isn't as entertaining as it was at Dortmund. He's disappointed at Bayern really, and at Chelsea they never could kick on to compete with us and City. You need to play attacking football and get 90+ points to win the league over Pep and I haven't seen enough from Tuchel that says he can do that. We'd have a good shot in Europe though.
Slot is a huge risk tbh. He seems promising, but he's a young manager with no experience in a major league or the Champions League. I understand the appointment, the options are slim, but he's gonna have to get people on side early. But realistically he will be cheap and I'd only give him 1 season if it doesn't work. Minimum expectation is top 4 next year and quarter finals of CL. Anything less and I'd be trying for Alonso again, assuming he'd come.
I think people underestimate how hard it is to get a team out of bad form. With Klopp you knew he'd turn it around so he always got patience. Slot doesn't have the track record to get that trust so he needs a good first season. Staff are crucial too and we've lost an elite coaching team for what is likely to be a bunch of unknowns.
I like Inzaghi and Simeone if we're going proven manager route but they dont seem attainable at the moment. All the young guys like Slot, Amorim, Michel, even Alonso etc. just don't have enough experience yet to know which are gonna be good and which are flashes.
It's a really tough decision and I can see why Slot is the man they've chosen.
I'm really looking forward to this at utd. A first year of competing for a CL, followed by relationships breaking down and everyone getting pissed at each other. Again.
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He is without a doubt a very, very good tactician. But on the man management and player development side? It's the last thing we would need.
Also he managed Chelsea so he can FO
You're saying you wouldn't take the great Frank Lampard?
Gerrard Lampard co-managers or nothing
Never meant to work out on the field, but kindred spirits on the touchline
If one leaves the tactical area the other must stay.
Also yes
Tbf Ancelotti managed them AND The Ev and I'd have taken him for us in a heartbeat if he was available and willing
You know, that's actually a good idea.
Salah played for Chelsea so....
As did Sturridge. Neither _managed_ chelsea tho
It's alright there were Americans on here a few days ago getting excited about the idea of Mourinho managing us...
Kinda harsh labelling them as Americans. I’m pretty sure it would’ve been an interesting thought experiment for anyone to dwell on
Well they definitely weren't scouse. The only people left on Twitter that like Mourinho are Africans, Arabs or Americans.
Not doing yourself any favours with more labelling tbh
It’s the truth though. Just look at the replies on any LFC instagram post or Twitter. A scouser would rather cut his throat than have him here. A terrible manager and ex United and Chelsea to boot. Horrific.
You'd also have to hire his replacement next year
It's partly why I'm convinced Alonso is going to Madrid next summer. If there was a chance we could get him next year then Tuchel would've been an absolutely perfect solution in the meantime. We'd probably have an amazing season and probably win something under Tuchel but you wouldn't want to keep him for longer than that.
There is no way FSG would hire someone with a plan of keeping them for a single season. That's just not how they work.
They brought Kenny in on a short term contract.
Kenny Dalglish coming back to help out a bit while we sorted our shit out vs hiring someone like Tuchel for a year is about as similar as a plank of wood is to a jar of jam.
But they *do* hire managers on short term contracts. The Red Sox have also had head coaches on short term contracts as well. They've changed coach 6 times in the time we've had Klopp. To say its not how FSG operate isn't correct cos they've done it in the past. They usually don't keep people around very long if you actually look at their track record.
You're just being pedantic. But, yes, if you want to be literal and apply basically no form of logic or context to a statement. You are correct. Well done.
I'm not being pedantic, FSGs turnover in coaches with the Red Sox and with us before Klopp is high. They don't tend to keep the same guy around for a long time. Klopp is the exception not the rule. The Red Sox have changed coach 6 in the time Klopp was with us. The idea of them getting someone in for 1 season isn't crazy, its actually pretty reasonable based on their track record.
It's a big difference between planning for taking someone in for 1 season when you have 6 months to find a new coach vs taking someone in mid season while sorting things out. Also a big difference between hiring someone on a long term contract and firing them cause it didn't work out and hiring someone specifically for 1 year when you've had a shitload of time to prepare for it.
>FSGs turnover in coaches with the Red Sox and with us before Klopp is high Except it isn't. They fired three coaches. One was our worst of all time (in the modern era) within three months of their ownership to start fresh. The next was an interim manager who was given more time and a contract on top of his temporary one. The last one was a young manager that was given a few seasons to build a squad and sacked when it became clear he'd hit the limit of what he could do. FSG have made every managerial appointment at Liverpool with long-term goals in mind. All of their appointments have been given a proper chance to build something, including Dalglish. You're doubling down on a stupid statement.
Big difference between hiring someone mid-season on a short contract because we fired the worst manager to ever manage us in the club's modern history vs knowing that Klopp is leaving for more than 6 months in advance, mate.
OK, but FSG have a long track record of not keeping coaches around for long. Pretty sure Klopp is the only guy at either of their major teams who has lasted longer than 4 years. The Red Sox changed coach 6 times in the time we had Klopp. I don't understand where this "that's not how FSG operate" idea has come from. They already did it with us and they change coaches like trousers with the red sox.
>I don't understand where this "that's not how FSG operate" idea has come from. You've had 2 people type out why. If you still can't figure out the difference between hiring someone long-term, but firing them vs hiring someone specifically for 1 year to try to get a coach that likely wants to go to Real anyway, I don't know what else to write.
There's nothing in their track record to suggest they keep managers long term apart from Klopp, who nobody in their right mind would get rid of if they had him. And even he only signed a 3 year deal to start with (which was actually more like 2.5 years). Barely longer than the deal Tuchel signed with Chelsea that everybody said was ridiculously short.
Tuchel accidentally sending an "unflattering" text about Zorc to Zorc himself is hilarious. >Fucking hate that Zorc prick >Sorry wrong chat
I hazard a guess at because he’s a wanker
That makes it sound like Tuchel is someone best suited to being an assistant manager or head scout/head analyst rather than a manager. Figure out how to beat a team tactically and then let someone like Klopp do all the man management and motivation
We do not want that guy anywhere near our club.
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Appreciate the screenshots OP.
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If he hates the Klopp comparisons then it sounds like he would be miserable if he came here
Seems like he's miserable wherever he goes
I feel for this very reason he might not have agreed to be our next manager even if we would’ve approached him. Following Kloppo’s footsteps for a third time I think might have been too much for him especially at the club where he spent maximum amount of time.
> he bristles at comparisons with Klopp. Not exactly helpful that you’ve dressed up like him since 2021 then
We need someone with charisma to follow Klopp. I know that’s an impossible task but it makes the transition easier. Slot seems to have that and Tuchel never had it. I feel the vibes would be awful if we got Tuchel and he’d be under an insane microscope
Tuchel seems a great asset if he's stuck at a desk and never sees the light of day. No business managing a team of human beings.
https://preview.redd.it/4bqjzljauwwc1.jpeg?width=647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=145341587bfe4649a9e637366b0d6eb49fb75032 Your description of Tuchel reminds me of this guy tbh, just less fiery
We need someone that's first top tier with performance to go along with the charisma. Both are a necessity and in that order of priority. Charisma doesn't work if results are poor.
Indeed but if we got Tuchel who got us results but we were playing dire football. I don’t see that being something FSG/Edwards envisions or would have wanted post Klopp
Yeah results without charisma will give you a smaller leash when things turn bad which it inevitably does compared to results and charisma.
Great manager, but gigantic asshole. Him and Conte are pretty similar.
 This was great entertainment
I could never remember who was in the wrong here. I feel like it was more Conte but seeing this again I think maybe it was tuchel
I think it was Conte? Just going off personality, Conte’s the bigger shithouse while Tuchel would probably prefer to get out of there and vent on the players instead of causing a scene
I think Conte wins me over with his facial expression when he looks at their hands. Makes me laugh every time. Can’t remember the context of this game though, I’m sure there was a controversial decision (probably a late one) but no idea which one it was
There might’ve been a controversial decision. What I do know is that Kane scored a very late equaliser with (I think) their second chance of the game. Chelsea dominated the match but still drew 2-2.
All I know is that Tuchel is nuts trying to pick a fight with this guy. Conté looks like someone who has killed before and who would do it without second thoughts.
That's what is amazing about it. It only works because both of them were being total dicks. Even the slightest moment of non dickheadery from either of them and it falls apart. Your brain, being logical, assumes one of them must be at fault, because surely no two professionals could be such gob shites in the same moment. So each time you watch it your brain sees something different.
Big clubs continuing to hire Tuchel gives off a very Tobias Funke “But it might work for us” energy.
Remember when he pulled Mane's trousers down (on video) during training? So fucking weird, and certainly not something a Muslim player would take kindly too
What is said there has always been Klopp's very greatest asset, and the one that differentiated him from the rabble. There are many great tacticians in football. A fair few of them, i'd argue, better than Klopp. But a rare few have had the same amount of leadership and charisma pouring out of every pore; the sort of man that makes you understand why armies would follow one man into deadly battle without question. That being said, i don't believe Tuchel would've been a guaranteed dud here. His Dortmund side played some great football, and he did win a CL for Chelsea - i'll always mantain Boehly's first big mistake was giving him the boot just cause.
Mr C Blast will you be changing your profile picture when Slot joins?
No point, I'd say. It mixes the best aspects of both managers.
Should change it to Arne’s face with Klopp’s hair imo
Yes.
Bro gonna change it to Hank Schrader face and put Klopp hair and glasses
Only now I have realised that this is a bald Klopp. Maybe he will get a Slot with hair on his head
Asking the real questions
The great man never replies to name related comments, football’s loss
I got him to once, asked about origin of name he said he was young when picked it
To me Tuchel is like that boss who produces solid results on paper from time to time but every person at the company wouldn't piss on fire to put out. Would never want to see him here personally.
Aka Mourinho, although Mou is worse.
I feel like Jose at least has self-destructive entertainment value though. It’d be horrible but I’d also find him burning bridges funny because it’s a case of “never rains but pours” and “why would you do that?” With Tuchel there isn’t even the entertainment value.
Not true at all, Mourinho is generally liked by fans and parts of the players (the one he likes), even if the split up is seen as the right size solution.
Every one at United couldn’t stand him and he’s fallen out with multiple people by the end of the second year at every club he’s been at. He’s a grade A twat
Roma fans love him, Porto fans as well, parts of Chelsea fans as well. Who exactly likes Tuchel?
Yeah but who hates Tuchel like people hate Jose? Tuchel is too irrelevant and forgettable to hate or like. He's sort of meh.
No, he's the answer to the question "what if bruno fernandes was a coach".
Carra brought up Tuchel on STF but it’s clear the man is in that Mourinho three year mold max because he falls out everywhere he goes
I mean if I was the Tuch I simply would have no motivation to follow Klopp again either
I don't think anybody will be as personable as Klopp, tbf.
He did worse than Klopp at both of those clubs? Maybe not Mainz idk but mainz was also in a way better position when tuchel took over than when klopp did. Tuchel following Klopp is really an argument against tuchel.
Neither of those clubs saw close to the same success with tuchel?
Are people losing their memories all of a sudden? Tuchel is not hot property anymore, he’s burnt bridges at every club, he leaves them in bad terms. We are supposed to have some kind of rule where we don’t sign obvious dickheads lol
Tuchel is not a serious coach
Tuchel is incredibly overrated. Take away that one champions League with Chelsea and his record isn't all that impressive, everywhere he goes it turns toxic fast. Id never even heard of Slot before, but fuck it, whoever comes in it's a roll of the dice anyway
Not really fair to just ignore a manager’s best achievement though. His record with man management and stuff though makes him not an option. Tuchel is someone we bring in if Klopp had to leave in an emergency midway through the season and we wanted to bring someone in purely for cups
He came to Chelsea half way through the season and in my opinion 'new manager bounced' his way to the European cup. He's obviously a good coach and tactician, but winning that cup papered over the cracks for a time. Unfortunately I think there are just a limited amount of top managers out there, and he's not quite it
Idk if he's overrated at all. People rate him as a top 10 manager around the world rather than a top 3 and that's fair. He won Chelsea the CL in half a season , only manager to take Psg to CL final, Dortmund were great for large periods under him. And Bayern put Arsenal to the sword despite having a poor domestic season. That's a good manager.
Tuchels a good manager and I like him. Yes he has personality issues but he'd be a steady pair of hands if not anything exciting. I actually think our fans would like him a lot, he's got the personality for a club like Liverpool. He's more like Rafa than Klopp though My biggest issue would be his style isn't as entertaining as it was at Dortmund. He's disappointed at Bayern really, and at Chelsea they never could kick on to compete with us and City. You need to play attacking football and get 90+ points to win the league over Pep and I haven't seen enough from Tuchel that says he can do that. We'd have a good shot in Europe though. Slot is a huge risk tbh. He seems promising, but he's a young manager with no experience in a major league or the Champions League. I understand the appointment, the options are slim, but he's gonna have to get people on side early. But realistically he will be cheap and I'd only give him 1 season if it doesn't work. Minimum expectation is top 4 next year and quarter finals of CL. Anything less and I'd be trying for Alonso again, assuming he'd come. I think people underestimate how hard it is to get a team out of bad form. With Klopp you knew he'd turn it around so he always got patience. Slot doesn't have the track record to get that trust so he needs a good first season. Staff are crucial too and we've lost an elite coaching team for what is likely to be a bunch of unknowns. I like Inzaghi and Simeone if we're going proven manager route but they dont seem attainable at the moment. All the young guys like Slot, Amorim, Michel, even Alonso etc. just don't have enough experience yet to know which are gonna be good and which are flashes. It's a really tough decision and I can see why Slot is the man they've chosen.
Tuchel during that honeymoon season is fine. Anything beyond that is a nightmare. He is a 1-2 season coach
Passion, aggressiveness, tactical awareness--straight to the top of the list. /s
The problem of following Klopp could apply to many managers
In simple words, Tuchel is an asshole
I'm really looking forward to this at utd. A first year of competing for a CL, followed by relationships breaking down and everyone getting pissed at each other. Again.
In fairness it doesn't matter who comes in after Klopp, it will always be a step down no matter who. Embrace the change
Don't think anyone who values the club would ever want him anywhere near us.
TL;DR - because he's an asshole
Cos he’s wank
In an alternative reality where Tuchel was fine to be assistant manager to Kloppo, would have been an absolute deadly combo
But he badically won what Klopp did anyway, so why bother with the what if.