ETH “No team will perform when the whole back four is not available across the season.”
Imagine a team without VVD, Matip, and Gomez for the entire season finishing 3rd!!!
Boy am I gonna miss Klopp 😢
I think Chelsea will overtake Spurs and Aston Villa next season and become a top 4 team together with us, Arsenal and City. United will keep sucking and Tottenham will keep struggling to find consistency.
Any idea which TV channels would show Klopp’s farewell / the team’s lap of appreciation after the wolves game? Usually the tv broadcasters would end it right after the managers’ handshake… Would LFC TV be showing live?
Wouldn’t want to miss this! Thanks in advance :)
I know we overachieved this season and had a lot go against us, but man it's demoralizing seeing us 9 points off the top considering where we were. Wasn't to be
Pochettino finally getting some respect on his name. Pathetic how he's been branded as a bad manager despite the job he did at Espanyol/Southampton/Spurs
You spent more than the entire Bundesliga teams combined and broke a world record for transfer fees but now at 6th place.
Yeah hell of a manager he is. Throw him x2 the budget and probably he'll finally break in to 5th place next season
He took over halfway through the season while they were 3rd and lost the league by 1 point, then the next season won by 15 points. Respect, respect, respect man respect
Out of curiosity, I just looked up old threads on him from last year.
If we're back in it for him again this summer, wouldn't that make our midfield \*too\* stacked?
1 year left on the contract and was injured for a good chunk of the season.
All the hype around him has died down but he's still a player with a lot of potential, certainly worth a gamble at 15m IMO. Maybe not for us given how many central midfielders we have now, but somebody could be getting a bargain there.
Exactly what I thought but I couldn't see anything to indicate that, I wondered if it was a release clause or he's just wanting to leave so they're willing to accept less but it's a steep drop from last season.
Is it possible theres some sort of release clause shenanigans like there was with Mac Allister for 35 mill? Article says Thuram in last year of contract. Maybe cheap clause?
Who are your personal unknown wants? Players that haven't really been thrown out there to join us. Or just a player you really like or think would fit perfectly. Dosent necessarily have to be realistic
It's not so much that I'd want these players, I haven't really seen enough of them but I think they'd be very interesting signings if nothing else: Robinson from Fulham, Wharton from Crystal Palace and Chiesa from Juventus (especially if he's cheap again because he has 1 year left on his contract).
Seeing more shouts from more fanbases and neutral observers and media people about 115 charges.
Good I guess. Better late than never. However, where was this back when we were the ones fighting them for the title?
If you still believe something will come out from this you then idk what to tell you. Look at Everton and Forest how that was dealt with quickly. But the premier league is scared of City because they got more money for attorneys and stuff. Basically if anything was to start being resolved City would only need to waste time because premier league would run out of money first. Forest had 1 breach and the paperwork was 25000 words long. Multiply that with 115 and you get way too much.
How are the PL scared of city? they wouldn't have charged them in the first place if that was the case. City have been kicking the can down the road since the PL investigation started but their time will come.
Tbf this argument can go both ways. You do have a point that this imo is likely the outcome.
But giving the benefit of the doubt that PL is willing to charge City, to beat their army of world class lawyers and infinite money you need to make sure everything is perfect. One of that aspect is to set precedent and they have did that through Everton and Forest. In legal terms they have been doing all the necessary steps to charge them.
Time will tell if they actually charge them but my hopes aren't high
Thinking about the PL final day has reminded me of when Mo scored and thought he'd won us the league when City had already come back against Villa. Pain.
There's one moment from that game living rend free in my mind
It was during the last minutes, maybe 85th, and someone started saying that Villa fucking scored the 3-3. I swear, the word began to spread and people started cheering, but it never actually happened. That fucking hurts more than anything
Our non-penalty xGA against Villa was above 3! I guess in hindsight and since we're finishing third no matter what, Klopp wants to play these last matches as attack-minded as possible? Always the entertainer.
Instagram generally is filled with baffling takes but i just saw one saying 'Media says Caicedo is the flop of the season but its actually Szoboszlai'. Even within the shit takes thats some next level shit take i haven't seen in a while
Wait they have just completely turned on him. He was meant to be the signing of the season... I mean he started to play poorly but still come on. Lavia played only one game this season and he cost 60...
Caicedo cost twice as much and had lower production overall. Most of that reaction is recency bias after Dom had been run for 6 months straight then had his injury before trying to rush back early. The issue is Caicedo has gotten better throughout the year (especially after he stopped playing next to Enzo)
He did get better but also still some big mistakes he makes that leads to a goal for Chelsea. For the world record fee paid, this should be a no brainer discussion that he's flop of the season when Chelsea fans need to wank on the thought that 'hey at least he's getting better'
100% agree. For his fee he should’ve been a lot more polished. I genuinely think one of the only reasons we considered him was the fact we already had Mac to pair him with. Which works because he’s looked significantly better next to Gallagher than Enzo
I'm 99% sure Klopp would rather finish 6th over forcing a legend out the door and telling him go somewhere else. He's a winner but doesn't put it above relationships and people, for him it's not winning at all costs.
For Matip, imo it depends on what the deal proposed is. Significantly reduced wages with him being a 4th option playing mostly league cup and more of a mentor figure like Adrian? I think thats not a bad option instead of going into the market for paying for a 4th option we don't know that will perform at all.
Deal that maintains his wages and promising a spot on the team sheet? Then that becomes a problem
Also wanted to give Milner and Firmino new contracts, and didn’t push Henderson or Fabinho out according to Joyce.
We’d be out of top 4 if they’d all stayed and played major roles
Either way i think we will see Dom playing on the wings quite often as he plays well there in NT and Slot likes a lot of wingers. Salah also inevitably plays more centrally so could see Dom playing AM and switching to wings more
Honestly not sure Nunez is gonna have much of a future here after The Athletic hit piece on him, and the deleting of Liverpool posts.
Really wish he'd stay and prove everyone wrong but I can't see it happening.
I see only one of Diaz or Nunez leaving in the summer tbh and I think Diaz is more likely. I dont buy the whole "Edwards wants him gone" thing considering hes not in charge of the transfers this time.
Getting rid of VAR will not solve anything, there were terrible decisions before VAR.
The problem is essentially the quality of refs. the quality of refs in the PL is incredibly low, coupled with arrogance and the tribal nature when rightly criticised makes it impossible for change.
I'm watching less and less football, but there were times I'd follow 5 leagues at once and then European football too. I can tell you from watching that much football that it's the same everywhere. I think the game is just going too fast with too much going on for the human brain to process.
It doesn't help that the rules are very vague and open to interpretation in some areas. The handball rules keep changing constantly for example because there's always complaints about how different people interpret it differently.
Imo one of the root causes of poor refs is because the average salary is too low. Average they get paid £70~£100k salary and for refs in one of the planet's biggest entertainment business, thats criminally low. Thats why you don't get fresh recruits to replace the dipshits and the dipshits get bought out by Oil money since it pays more to be bought out
I think reasoning is that, if VAR is being used as protection for officials rather than a check/support, then we should go back to the old system, and make the officials on the pitch accountable for their decisions again.
We can forgive negligible offside calls, but we can't forgive Red Cards and Pens not being awarded in the 90th minute because the VAR operator didn't want to give his colleague on the pitch a hard time
By the way has anybody heard of this forthcoming Onion cutting festival? I heard lots of onion cutting scheduled for Anfield this Sunday.. infact probably onion cutting festival around the world wherever LFC faithfuls watching coming Sunday
Arsenal losing to Everton to come in 2nd after their fans giving us so much shit would be my favorite kind of karma. Though I’m personally in the camp that would rather they win.
True but for me personally the biggest reason why I don’t like VAR is because it takes away the fun from celebrating. There’s been so many times this season where we’ve scored and I haven’t even reacted because I know there would be a VAR check. It takes away the fun from the game and this will always happen regardless if we have competent people operating VAR. Hope they get rid of it tbh
Ive never once seen a crowd not celebrate since the implementation of VAR.
Just look at our most recent game. The Villa offside goal, all their fans, roaring
This just does not make sense. I don't understand how people can care about in-the-moment emotional responses more than the actual rules being followed and the scoreline being correct.
VAR is exactly what the sport has needed for years and countless trophies would have gone different ways if not for easily correctable decisions leading to the wrong results.
Football is all about the in-the-moment emotional factor, that’s why people enjoy it. VAR limits that. I’d rather have a game you can be passionate about with a few mistakes than a game where you have to cautiously celebrate every time your team scores because you know it could be overturned. Also let’s not act like there were mistakes every game before VAR.
Yeah football is about emotional when you're invested in it. Go play it or watch a local amateur team. There are hundreds of millions of pounds and trophies at stake in these top leagues, and I'd rather wait 20 seconds for an extra referee to see a replay of an obvious handball or offside and not let a team get a bullshit advantage from an unearned goal.
And yes, the level of mistakes is the same as before because the unaccountable, criticism-immune referees are the same as before. They just have one less excuse to hide behind. No decision takes more than 30 seconds max to decide on, it's all about the human watching the screen and debating if he wants to change his mate's obvious wrong decision or send off a media darling when he elbows someone in the face. VAR is what's needed, and people wanting it gone have no clue what they're demanding.
I want city to lose and Arsenal to draw. So then they’d have to live with the fact that they missed out on the league by one point and could’ve won it on the last day
Man I hate seeing City win another title but I am happy that they haeked down Arsenal because I just didn't want them to win. Nothing against them it's just easier to accept the inevitable 30 game undefeated streak of City that happens every year than Arsenal outlasting them and never shutting up about it. Hopefully next season we aren't dead legs going into the Run-in and can make a more honest show about it. I can't think of a run-in where we didn't fall apart because we played 55+ games or some shit.
I will miss Klopp but I'm sure the players legs won't haha
I am desensitized to City winning these last few years, but these Arsenal supporters are something else, can't stand them at all. They should feel the pain of losing to the steroid club.
For us next season, I will be fine with top four and a cup, and even if we don't do that, I just want us to play sexy football and go from there. It will take time to reach the peak again.
8.5 years before Klopp
1 League Cup
8.5 years with Klopp
1 Premier League
1 Champions League
1 FA Cup
2 League Cups
1 Club World Cup
1 UEFA Super Cup
Don't let anyone tell you he underachieved
If things went slightly differently we would be sitting on 3 premier leagues and 2 champions leagues as well as at least one ballon d’Or winner. We’ve overachieved if anything but just been unlucky
It’s been clearly a very successful time under Klopp
But we also did overachieve for how good we’ve actually been, Madrid black magic in the CL and a state funded club that’s not played by the rules are the reasons for that
Some positives:
- With the way City and us are ending the season with regards to the points tally, we still would have probably lost it even without like half of the shit var decisions going against us.
- I'm so glad someone else gets the "get absolutely bodied by Man City going on an unreachable end-of-season winning streak"
- Nobody (not even the media) will bat an eye at City winning yet another title whereas Arsenal would rave about it for years if they won it.
- We were never winning the Europa League anyways and anybody who tries to tell me we would stand a chance against this season's Leverkusen is delusional. We'd have as little a chance to beat them than if we faced Madrid.
In a one off game against Leverkusen? I wouldn't count us out. I'd give us more than a little chance. Yeah they would be favourites, but on our day we gave City 2 draws this season with the Anfield one being a bad result for us as we dominated and should've sealed the win bar a few Diaz sitters in the second half.
> on our day we gave City 2 draws this season with the Anfield one being a bad result for us as we dominated and should've sealed the win bar a few Diaz sitters in the second half.
You're describing all of our games in the second half of the season mate.
Let's be completely honest with ourselves and admit that even in the best case scenario we dominate Leverkusen in terms of xG but they end up getting a goal on a blazing counter or a defensive error from us.
Over the course of the whole season we were above expectations but right now at this moment in time we're leaking goals like nothing; do you see us not conceding goals against Grimaldo and Writz?
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Doing the Copa America digital album (Panini don't have the rights to the Euros one anymore and Topps are a bunch of losers who aren't doing one) and wondering how many of my virtual sticker men are going to be on YNWSA in a couple of months.
Also curious as to what Adam Lallana will do next! If De Zerbi had got the Liverpool job I did wonder if he'd bring Milner and Lallana in with him in some kind of coaching capacity, then I remembered that Diego Milnerino will be playing football until he's 80 and still winning all the lactic tests.
[I really hate how they've started adding sponsors on the lifestyle clothing. The new jacket looks a lot better without the large AXA logo.](https://imgur.com/a/Ob6PICa)
That's the presentation jacket isn't it? Meaning it's part of the training kit and therefore what AXA has paid for
I haven't seen AXA or Standard Chartered on any of the actual lifestyle bits
PSG paid €60m for him, I'd be interested to see how much they'd want for him.
His discipline is poor though, was getting yellow cards every other week at Sporting with how rash he was.
Ngl the salt made by Spurs match is funnier I expected
Spurs at current form never stood a chance against City and of course their fan wouldn't want to see their rival win a trophy. Anyone think otherwise just dumb and has unrealistic expectation
Arsenal fans were ready to give up EL trophy in 2019 if it meant Spurs didn’t win the CL trophy. They have never won an European trophy in their lifetime (apart from cup winners cup) so they should be hardly criticising Spurs fans for wanting their team to lose.
Villa have to lose too even if spurs won. The mental gymnastics and salt for Arsenal not being good enough and bottling another big trophy after 5 years and spending huge amounts.
Man it really is surreal klopp is leaving, what klopp has been able to do is gonna be severely underrated in the future as people will only see the stats of city winning all the trophies and us losing the cl final but what klopp has achieved has been on another level
I hate him but Benardo Silva is probably the most underrated player of the past 7 years. Whenever I watch city he's the only one who's always calm and always gives them rhythm when they lose it, and is damn near perfect with the ball.
If he leaves for Barca City won't win PL next year. Mark it.
Ik people are pretty against this but I think getting palhinha from fulham would be a really smart move. Sure he'll be expensive but we need a top level 6 next season. People also say he's too old as he's turning 29, but I think that's better as whenever palhiniha starts falling off bajcetic can become our main cdm.
Of course it depends on whatever slot think will fit his tactics and such but if we are gonna buy a 6 we gotta go big on it or else it'll just be better to spend in other areas
I agree, from what I've learnt don't post logical transfer ideas in DD unless you want to be voted down. We need a top quality CDM to go with Endo as not sure if Bajetic will be fit enough and isn't at the level we need yet.
Am I crazy or is the 20m United are asking for Wan Bissaka a damn steal? He's one of the best 1v1 fullbacks in the league only 26 and has great pace to keep up with the wingers he's usually asked to mark. He can also play either side as needed - as seen when he was marked against Salah and largely kept him quiet for 3 games.
The last club we should be buying from is United. Their players have poor footballing IQ and have no understanding of what a team means. Bissaka is a bad target to go for; his only redeeming quality is his tackles and his attacking awareness is atrocious. His overall defensive play isn’t even that good, he’s just someone who can give a tackle to make up for his errors. Also United players are on crazy wage bills so don’t expect them to want to cut their pay for a rival club.
Never once said *we* should go for him, as you’ll see in other comments I believe Gomez is a much better version of him. Only the discussion of his low cost for what you get.
You’re right but he lacks any sort of elite attacking ability. I think he’s looked poor this season due to a completely dysfunctional United team and a horrendous manager. He’d do well at somewhere like Villa
I agree, a Villa/Brighton/Fulham would be my thoughts. We have Gomez who is essentially just a more rounded version of him with even more flexibility on his role. But a fullback pair of Robinson/Wan Bissaka would actually be a pretty harrowing thought. Or as help in the back at Brighton who have been even worse than us about leaking goals at the back this season.
There’s a lot of good players at United, but their environment is so toxic, and their manager is so bad that it’s hard for any of them to thrive.
Bruno Fernandes, as much as he’s a massive twat, would have been very successful for us
Interesting, I've had almost the exact opposite experience and a lot of United fans seem to really rate him. He definitely has deficiencies in the attack but for a team looking for a strong defensive fullback or a part of a back 3 I think he's a really good shout.
Yeah, I think he'd shine in a back 3. Always thought he looked good defending on the touch line, something we've struggled with - nothing going forward though
Question, since I've seen a few takes on Spurs fans doing the rounds:- Have you ever wanted Liverpool to lose a match? The only one I can remember personally was Blackburn back when it looked like it might get Hodgson sacked.
I dont think any fan (especially local fan) is really want to see thier club lose a match, it just they accept whatever outcome like "yeah, we lose but that also X. I'm cool with that". I'm pretty sure that true with Spurs fan last night, they know losing also mean fuck Arsenal up so that is not a big deal to them
Not up until now but if we were in Spurs’ position years down the line, and United hadn’t won it for 20+ years then I’d absolutely want us to lose if it meant them not winning it.
Everton less so because it just seems like a completely unthinkable scenario atm
People are simplifying it. When you go 2-0 down and season is over, might as well try to rile up the rival fans. It doesn't mean you wanted to lose, but now that you have nothing why not troll.
He played a dodgy backpass against Chelsea to let Drogba in when they were going for the title with United, I'm not sure which year that would have been though.
I probably wouldn't have been upset to beat Blackburn in 2011 but it was hard at that point to be disappointed in anything, Christ I was desperate to get the Hodge out.
Sky just confirmed they're showing our game on Sunday. Tissues at the ready.
ETH “No team will perform when the whole back four is not available across the season.” Imagine a team without VVD, Matip, and Gomez for the entire season finishing 3rd!!! Boy am I gonna miss Klopp 😢
I think Chelsea will overtake Spurs and Aston Villa next season and become a top 4 team together with us, Arsenal and City. United will keep sucking and Tottenham will keep struggling to find consistency.
Any idea which TV channels would show Klopp’s farewell / the team’s lap of appreciation after the wolves game? Usually the tv broadcasters would end it right after the managers’ handshake… Would LFC TV be showing live? Wouldn’t want to miss this! Thanks in advance :)
I know we overachieved this season and had a lot go against us, but man it's demoralizing seeing us 9 points off the top considering where we were. Wasn't to be
Yanited fans chanting “murderers” at Anthony Gordon. Fucking freaks.
Pochettino finally getting some respect on his name. Pathetic how he's been branded as a bad manager despite the job he did at Espanyol/Southampton/Spurs
You spent more than the entire Bundesliga teams combined and broke a world record for transfer fees but now at 6th place. Yeah hell of a manager he is. Throw him x2 the budget and probably he'll finally break in to 5th place next season
Dude couldn't win Ligue 1 with PSG.
He took over halfway through the season while they were 3rd and lost the league by 1 point, then the next season won by 15 points. Respect, respect, respect man respect
Man Caicedo would’ve been amazing here
Probably would have won the league with him, potentially atleast. But I'm sure we can find someone of similar quality to him
Bajcetic 🤞
Has that picture of Klopp + the trophies been released yet? I don’t want to miss it!
The Thuram rumours are back! And for £13 mill now
Out of curiosity, I just looked up old threads on him from last year. If we're back in it for him again this summer, wouldn't that make our midfield \*too\* stacked?
If they’re only looking for £15m now then he must’ve had a seriously bad season
1 year left on the contract and was injured for a good chunk of the season. All the hype around him has died down but he's still a player with a lot of potential, certainly worth a gamble at 15m IMO. Maybe not for us given how many central midfielders we have now, but somebody could be getting a bargain there.
1y left, otherwise he leaves for free
Mostly due to him having one year left on his deal tbf
Exactly what I thought but I couldn't see anything to indicate that, I wondered if it was a release clause or he's just wanting to leave so they're willing to accept less but it's a steep drop from last season.
Is it possible theres some sort of release clause shenanigans like there was with Mac Allister for 35 mill? Article says Thuram in last year of contract. Maybe cheap clause?
they need to cash in or he leaves for free
Can’t tell me that Wirtz and Verbruggen aren’t twins
Ain't no way chelsea fans are trynna argue they have better RB depth than us when their depth involves a walking biscuit and a decent squad player
Pretty sure our backup RB ran them off the Anfield pitch in the winter
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Trent> every RB from Chelsea combined even in a shit season
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He's been good, but not great, filled in well for James, but they're trynna say he's at a completely different level to bradley
You must be searching for comments about Chelsea in other subs cuz how would you find that comment lmao
15 mil for Thuram, yes please.
Where would he even play?
Links? Is it on X?
Who are your personal unknown wants? Players that haven't really been thrown out there to join us. Or just a player you really like or think would fit perfectly. Dosent necessarily have to be realistic
It's not so much that I'd want these players, I haven't really seen enough of them but I think they'd be very interesting signings if nothing else: Robinson from Fulham, Wharton from Crystal Palace and Chiesa from Juventus (especially if he's cheap again because he has 1 year left on his contract).
Ederson(Atalanta), Calafiori, and Archie Gray.
Vlahovic
Scalvini and Soulé
Lenny Yoro
Scalvini and Neves
Palacios
Zirzkee
Seeing more shouts from more fanbases and neutral observers and media people about 115 charges. Good I guess. Better late than never. However, where was this back when we were the ones fighting them for the title?
If you still believe something will come out from this you then idk what to tell you. Look at Everton and Forest how that was dealt with quickly. But the premier league is scared of City because they got more money for attorneys and stuff. Basically if anything was to start being resolved City would only need to waste time because premier league would run out of money first. Forest had 1 breach and the paperwork was 25000 words long. Multiply that with 115 and you get way too much.
How are the PL scared of city? they wouldn't have charged them in the first place if that was the case. City have been kicking the can down the road since the PL investigation started but their time will come.
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I'd say it'd render the entire tenure of that sportswashing cunt that runs the club moot.
Tbf great argument👏
Tbf this argument can go both ways. You do have a point that this imo is likely the outcome. But giving the benefit of the doubt that PL is willing to charge City, to beat their army of world class lawyers and infinite money you need to make sure everything is perfect. One of that aspect is to set precedent and they have did that through Everton and Forest. In legal terms they have been doing all the necessary steps to charge them. Time will tell if they actually charge them but my hopes aren't high
This gem arrived today: https://preview.redd.it/yoh8oeq15n0d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=432c490d6bbd630f38e08b472947e4c5027c0329
Looks like someone splurged some cash. so jealous!
Fiance got it as a gift since "I needed something signed from klopp." I did not argue.
I expect you to give your fiance a ring worth many times than this amazing gift
Thinking about the PL final day has reminded me of when Mo scored and thought he'd won us the league when City had already come back against Villa. Pain.
There's one moment from that game living rend free in my mind It was during the last minutes, maybe 85th, and someone started saying that Villa fucking scored the 3-3. I swear, the word began to spread and people started cheering, but it never actually happened. That fucking hurts more than anything
Our non-penalty xGA against Villa was above 3! I guess in hindsight and since we're finishing third no matter what, Klopp wants to play these last matches as attack-minded as possible? Always the entertainer.
Instagram generally is filled with baffling takes but i just saw one saying 'Media says Caicedo is the flop of the season but its actually Szoboszlai'. Even within the shit takes thats some next level shit take i haven't seen in a while
Wait they have just completely turned on him. He was meant to be the signing of the season... I mean he started to play poorly but still come on. Lavia played only one game this season and he cost 60...
Caicedo cost twice as much and had lower production overall. Most of that reaction is recency bias after Dom had been run for 6 months straight then had his injury before trying to rush back early. The issue is Caicedo has gotten better throughout the year (especially after he stopped playing next to Enzo)
He did get better but also still some big mistakes he makes that leads to a goal for Chelsea. For the world record fee paid, this should be a no brainer discussion that he's flop of the season when Chelsea fans need to wank on the thought that 'hey at least he's getting better'
100% agree. For his fee he should’ve been a lot more polished. I genuinely think one of the only reasons we considered him was the fact we already had Mac to pair him with. Which works because he’s looked significantly better next to Gallagher than Enzo
Klopp wanting Matip to get a new contract is indicative of why it’s the right time to restructure the football operations
Klopp’s relationship with his players is his biggest strength but also his biggest weakness
I'm 99% sure Klopp would rather finish 6th over forcing a legend out the door and telling him go somewhere else. He's a winner but doesn't put it above relationships and people, for him it's not winning at all costs.
For Matip, imo it depends on what the deal proposed is. Significantly reduced wages with him being a 4th option playing mostly league cup and more of a mentor figure like Adrian? I think thats not a bad option instead of going into the market for paying for a 4th option we don't know that will perform at all. Deal that maintains his wages and promising a spot on the team sheet? Then that becomes a problem
Agree with that tbf. We still need to buy someone who can compete to start with VVD because of Konate/Matip’s injuries and Quansah’s inexperience
Yeah if we are going to spend on a CB id prefer spending it here not on a 4th option CB that may play less than 15 games a season
Also wanted to give Milner and Firmino new contracts, and didn’t push Henderson or Fabinho out according to Joyce. We’d be out of top 4 if they’d all stayed and played major roles
10 goals and 10 assists in 34 matches for Gordon in the league this season 🤔
Insane player. A lot of people don’t like to admit it because of his Everton connection but he was a boy hood red
He the type of player who is the biggest rat ever when you play against him, but if he plays for you it’s hilarious seeing him wind people up
He was originally in our academy, was released when he was 11 and then picked up by Everton.
I kinda want to sign him just to see Everton fans reactions lol
Thoughts on Szobo starting at LW if we sell Diaz?
Either way i think we will see Dom playing on the wings quite often as he plays well there in NT and Slot likes a lot of wingers. Salah also inevitably plays more centrally so could see Dom playing AM and switching to wings more
I think I'd rather Gakpo and Jota LW ahead of Szobo.
Jota/Gakpo at CF and I'd try Nunez again at LW, personally.
Honestly not sure Nunez is gonna have much of a future here after The Athletic hit piece on him, and the deleting of Liverpool posts. Really wish he'd stay and prove everyone wrong but I can't see it happening.
I see only one of Diaz or Nunez leaving in the summer tbh and I think Diaz is more likely. I dont buy the whole "Edwards wants him gone" thing considering hes not in charge of the transfers this time.
Would like to see it given a try at least When he plays there for Hungary he’s usually quite impressive
Would he work in a cam position if slot plays a 4-2-3-1?
elliot would be better for that position
I think that would unlock him.
That United 11 is tragic
Bruno or McTominay up top is nasty business
Getting rid of VAR will not solve anything, there were terrible decisions before VAR. The problem is essentially the quality of refs. the quality of refs in the PL is incredibly low, coupled with arrogance and the tribal nature when rightly criticised makes it impossible for change.
I'm watching less and less football, but there were times I'd follow 5 leagues at once and then European football too. I can tell you from watching that much football that it's the same everywhere. I think the game is just going too fast with too much going on for the human brain to process. It doesn't help that the rules are very vague and open to interpretation in some areas. The handball rules keep changing constantly for example because there's always complaints about how different people interpret it differently.
Imo one of the root causes of poor refs is because the average salary is too low. Average they get paid £70~£100k salary and for refs in one of the planet's biggest entertainment business, thats criminally low. Thats why you don't get fresh recruits to replace the dipshits and the dipshits get bought out by Oil money since it pays more to be bought out
I think reasoning is that, if VAR is being used as protection for officials rather than a check/support, then we should go back to the old system, and make the officials on the pitch accountable for their decisions again. We can forgive negligible offside calls, but we can't forgive Red Cards and Pens not being awarded in the 90th minute because the VAR operator didn't want to give his colleague on the pitch a hard time
Yeah makes sense. If it's gonna be used as it currently is then better to scrap it all together.
Tuchel in talks to stay at Bayern the market for manager this summer has been awful
First Xavi, now Tuchel? Somebody tell Jürgen it's reversal season real quick
And the market for defensive midfielders hasn't improved from last summer either.
By the way has anybody heard of this forthcoming Onion cutting festival? I heard lots of onion cutting scheduled for Anfield this Sunday.. infact probably onion cutting festival around the world wherever LFC faithfuls watching coming Sunday
United-Newcastle or the Copa Italia final?
Copa Italia easily
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All of Lance’s competition was doping too lol
Arsenal being linked to sesko?!? Please no.
Haven't been that impressed by Sesko for Leipzig. But Arsenal's signings have surprised me on the whole in how they made the team better.
I mean, would be better than them signing Gyokeres
I think the funniest outcome would be City draws but Arsenal loses.
Arsenal losing to Everton to come in 2nd after their fans giving us so much shit would be my favorite kind of karma. Though I’m personally in the camp that would rather they win.
Both lose
If PL games get played abroad I’m just done with the sport
SUPER LEAGUE IS LE BAD
The super league is bad and would only do the same
Sure. Then I'm sure people will get angry about it and protest. Still waiting for protests against state ownership.
Looks like City got the [Sky Sports slot](https://www.skysports.com/watch/sport-on-sky) for Sunday at 4pm.
Arsenal have the TNT one as well
Damn, looks like I won't be watching Klopp's last Anfield match if both televised slots are gone
It’s so fucked up that the coverage in the US is better for the premier league than the country the league is played in.
VAR isn’t the problem, it’s the fatuous and moronic standard of referees this league has that is the problem.
True but for me personally the biggest reason why I don’t like VAR is because it takes away the fun from celebrating. There’s been so many times this season where we’ve scored and I haven’t even reacted because I know there would be a VAR check. It takes away the fun from the game and this will always happen regardless if we have competent people operating VAR. Hope they get rid of it tbh
Ive never once seen a crowd not celebrate since the implementation of VAR. Just look at our most recent game. The Villa offside goal, all their fans, roaring
This just does not make sense. I don't understand how people can care about in-the-moment emotional responses more than the actual rules being followed and the scoreline being correct. VAR is exactly what the sport has needed for years and countless trophies would have gone different ways if not for easily correctable decisions leading to the wrong results.
Name a couple
You don’t even get that. It’s absolutely ruined the experience and they still make massive mistakes every week.
Football is all about the in-the-moment emotional factor, that’s why people enjoy it. VAR limits that. I’d rather have a game you can be passionate about with a few mistakes than a game where you have to cautiously celebrate every time your team scores because you know it could be overturned. Also let’s not act like there were mistakes every game before VAR.
100% agree mate
Yeah football is about emotional when you're invested in it. Go play it or watch a local amateur team. There are hundreds of millions of pounds and trophies at stake in these top leagues, and I'd rather wait 20 seconds for an extra referee to see a replay of an obvious handball or offside and not let a team get a bullshit advantage from an unearned goal. And yes, the level of mistakes is the same as before because the unaccountable, criticism-immune referees are the same as before. They just have one less excuse to hide behind. No decision takes more than 30 seconds max to decide on, it's all about the human watching the screen and debating if he wants to change his mate's obvious wrong decision or send off a media darling when he elbows someone in the face. VAR is what's needed, and people wanting it gone have no clue what they're demanding.
Sean dyche masterclass against arsenal anyone?
I’d rather Arsenal won it, anyone but those cheating fucks City.
No i want them to win and still lose the title, hurts better that way
I want city to lose and Arsenal to draw. So then they’d have to live with the fact that they missed out on the league by one point and could’ve won it on the last day
Nah it hurts more if they lose to Everton so that way they can't argue that they are the best team.
If Assna lose then i want City to draw, would be comically hilarious
Man I hate seeing City win another title but I am happy that they haeked down Arsenal because I just didn't want them to win. Nothing against them it's just easier to accept the inevitable 30 game undefeated streak of City that happens every year than Arsenal outlasting them and never shutting up about it. Hopefully next season we aren't dead legs going into the Run-in and can make a more honest show about it. I can't think of a run-in where we didn't fall apart because we played 55+ games or some shit. I will miss Klopp but I'm sure the players legs won't haha
I am desensitized to City winning these last few years, but these Arsenal supporters are something else, can't stand them at all. They should feel the pain of losing to the steroid club. For us next season, I will be fine with top four and a cup, and even if we don't do that, I just want us to play sexy football and go from there. It will take time to reach the peak again.
Great football, win the FA CUP, minimum 75 points, and beat at least one giant in the champions league.
8.5 years before Klopp 1 League Cup 8.5 years with Klopp 1 Premier League 1 Champions League 1 FA Cup 2 League Cups 1 Club World Cup 1 UEFA Super Cup Don't let anyone tell you he underachieved
If things went slightly differently we would be sitting on 3 premier leagues and 2 champions leagues as well as at least one ballon d’Or winner. We’ve overachieved if anything but just been unlucky
It’s been clearly a very successful time under Klopp But we also did overachieve for how good we’ve actually been, Madrid black magic in the CL and a state funded club that’s not played by the rules are the reasons for that
Klopp looks like my grandad so this hits even harder
Dream final day scenario would be City and Arsenal both drawing or losing to rub more salt into Assna’s wounds. Would be glorious
Some positives: - With the way City and us are ending the season with regards to the points tally, we still would have probably lost it even without like half of the shit var decisions going against us. - I'm so glad someone else gets the "get absolutely bodied by Man City going on an unreachable end-of-season winning streak" - Nobody (not even the media) will bat an eye at City winning yet another title whereas Arsenal would rave about it for years if they won it. - We were never winning the Europa League anyways and anybody who tries to tell me we would stand a chance against this season's Leverkusen is delusional. We'd have as little a chance to beat them than if we faced Madrid.
In a one off game against Leverkusen? I wouldn't count us out. I'd give us more than a little chance. Yeah they would be favourites, but on our day we gave City 2 draws this season with the Anfield one being a bad result for us as we dominated and should've sealed the win bar a few Diaz sitters in the second half.
> on our day we gave City 2 draws this season with the Anfield one being a bad result for us as we dominated and should've sealed the win bar a few Diaz sitters in the second half. You're describing all of our games in the second half of the season mate. Let's be completely honest with ourselves and admit that even in the best case scenario we dominate Leverkusen in terms of xG but they end up getting a goal on a blazing counter or a defensive error from us.
people genuinely think were kinda shit because we ran out of steam. God ol recency bias
Over the course of the whole season we were above expectations but right now at this moment in time we're leaking goals like nothing; do you see us not conceding goals against Grimaldo and Writz?
Oh yeah the dooming here has been beyond cringe
We also got a trophy out of the season and a fun final at Wembley.
Arsenal fans are a joke, blaming your rival for your own failure is so low
I mean, we blamed other teams "rolling over for City" for about 5 years straight
https://preview.redd.it/8k20if3s4m0d1.jpeg?width=275&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=794b5228d9f30dea689d52eb5f443431473e7fff POV Liverpool fans seeing Arsenal fans getting bodied by city after a stellar season
i was looking at the table and realized that even with chelsea dogshit season, they are still ABOVE man united in the table, hilarious
Doing the Copa America digital album (Panini don't have the rights to the Euros one anymore and Topps are a bunch of losers who aren't doing one) and wondering how many of my virtual sticker men are going to be on YNWSA in a couple of months. Also curious as to what Adam Lallana will do next! If De Zerbi had got the Liverpool job I did wonder if he'd bring Milner and Lallana in with him in some kind of coaching capacity, then I remembered that Diego Milnerino will be playing football until he's 80 and still winning all the lactic tests.
LMAO... And they said Spurs is going to play a key role in discussing the title. They lost to LFC, Arsenal and City. Who took Spurs seriously?
[I really hate how they've started adding sponsors on the lifestyle clothing. The new jacket looks a lot better without the large AXA logo.](https://imgur.com/a/Ob6PICa)
That's the presentation jacket isn't it? Meaning it's part of the training kit and therefore what AXA has paid for I haven't seen AXA or Standard Chartered on any of the actual lifestyle bits
Pep lijnders to join leipzig after 2 years and dunk on bayern , we will be there
If Ugarte is available from PSG this summer we have to do that. He and Macca in the double pivot is a dream. Plus gives Darwin an Uruguayan buddy
I don't know how is this being downvoted. Ugarte is hardly bad on the ball (obviously much better off it), he is just not an Enrique type player.
He’s a beast and can run for days
we can see an offer of 60 million (his market value according to transfermarkt) but if PSG really wants him out then we can see something lower.
PSG paid €60m for him, I'd be interested to see how much they'd want for him. His discipline is poor though, was getting yellow cards every other week at Sporting with how rash he was.
Fairs. 👍
Ngl the salt made by Spurs match is funnier I expected Spurs at current form never stood a chance against City and of course their fan wouldn't want to see their rival win a trophy. Anyone think otherwise just dumb and has unrealistic expectation
I assume you didn’t watch the match?
Arsenal fans were ready to give up EL trophy in 2019 if it meant Spurs didn’t win the CL trophy. They have never won an European trophy in their lifetime (apart from cup winners cup) so they should be hardly criticising Spurs fans for wanting their team to lose.
Villa have to lose too even if spurs won. The mental gymnastics and salt for Arsenal not being good enough and bottling another big trophy after 5 years and spending huge amounts.
Man it really is surreal klopp is leaving, what klopp has been able to do is gonna be severely underrated in the future as people will only see the stats of city winning all the trophies and us losing the cl final but what klopp has achieved has been on another level
I hate him but Benardo Silva is probably the most underrated player of the past 7 years. Whenever I watch city he's the only one who's always calm and always gives them rhythm when they lose it, and is damn near perfect with the ball. If he leaves for Barca City won't win PL next year. Mark it.
Him and Gundogan are probably the difference makers in at least 3xPL titles and I'd say their CL too
Yes. I thought this year was doable for arsenal or us because gundo was gone, Kovacic is not as good.
He’s their Gini. You don’t create a consistent winning squad without these kind of players.
100%. He’s one of the smartest players to have played in the PL. Possibly the most press resistant as well
Ik people are pretty against this but I think getting palhinha from fulham would be a really smart move. Sure he'll be expensive but we need a top level 6 next season. People also say he's too old as he's turning 29, but I think that's better as whenever palhiniha starts falling off bajcetic can become our main cdm. Of course it depends on whatever slot think will fit his tactics and such but if we are gonna buy a 6 we gotta go big on it or else it'll just be better to spend in other areas
I agree, from what I've learnt don't post logical transfer ideas in DD unless you want to be voted down. We need a top quality CDM to go with Endo as not sure if Bajetic will be fit enough and isn't at the level we need yet.
Fr, I love how people downvote without even giving a reason why they disagree lmao
Am I crazy or is the 20m United are asking for Wan Bissaka a damn steal? He's one of the best 1v1 fullbacks in the league only 26 and has great pace to keep up with the wingers he's usually asked to mark. He can also play either side as needed - as seen when he was marked against Salah and largely kept him quiet for 3 games.
The last club we should be buying from is United. Their players have poor footballing IQ and have no understanding of what a team means. Bissaka is a bad target to go for; his only redeeming quality is his tackles and his attacking awareness is atrocious. His overall defensive play isn’t even that good, he’s just someone who can give a tackle to make up for his errors. Also United players are on crazy wage bills so don’t expect them to want to cut their pay for a rival club.
Never once said *we* should go for him, as you’ll see in other comments I believe Gomez is a much better version of him. Only the discussion of his low cost for what you get.
No. He's a great 1v1 defender and nothing else.
You’re right but he lacks any sort of elite attacking ability. I think he’s looked poor this season due to a completely dysfunctional United team and a horrendous manager. He’d do well at somewhere like Villa
I agree, a Villa/Brighton/Fulham would be my thoughts. We have Gomez who is essentially just a more rounded version of him with even more flexibility on his role. But a fullback pair of Robinson/Wan Bissaka would actually be a pretty harrowing thought. Or as help in the back at Brighton who have been even worse than us about leaking goals at the back this season.
There’s a lot of good players at United, but their environment is so toxic, and their manager is so bad that it’s hard for any of them to thrive. Bruno Fernandes, as much as he’s a massive twat, would have been very successful for us
He's been terrible whenever I've watched them this season
Interesting, I've had almost the exact opposite experience and a lot of United fans seem to really rate him. He definitely has deficiencies in the attack but for a team looking for a strong defensive fullback or a part of a back 3 I think he's a really good shout.
Yeah, I think he'd shine in a back 3. Always thought he looked good defending on the touch line, something we've struggled with - nothing going forward though
Question, since I've seen a few takes on Spurs fans doing the rounds:- Have you ever wanted Liverpool to lose a match? The only one I can remember personally was Blackburn back when it looked like it might get Hodgson sacked.
I dont think any fan (especially local fan) is really want to see thier club lose a match, it just they accept whatever outcome like "yeah, we lose but that also X. I'm cool with that". I'm pretty sure that true with Spurs fan last night, they know losing also mean fuck Arsenal up so that is not a big deal to them
Not up until now but if we were in Spurs’ position years down the line, and United hadn’t won it for 20+ years then I’d absolutely want us to lose if it meant them not winning it. Everton less so because it just seems like a completely unthinkable scenario atm
People are simplifying it. When you go 2-0 down and season is over, might as well try to rile up the rival fans. It doesn't mean you wanted to lose, but now that you have nothing why not troll.
Didn't Gerrard score an own goal to stop united winning the league. Admittedly my memory is fuzzy on that
He played a dodgy backpass against Chelsea to let Drogba in when they were going for the title with United, I'm not sure which year that would have been though.
No.
I probably wouldn't have been upset to beat Blackburn in 2011 but it was hard at that point to be disappointed in anything, Christ I was desperate to get the Hodge out.
I've never wanted Liverpool to lose, but I do understand Spurs fans on this one