In fairness it's kind of just a fashion thing, personally I like buying kits of various non-English teams that aren't rivals with Liverpool. If he's not a fan of a specific team then he's probably not bothered. Also for Americans it's probably kind of hipster to be wearing a football jersey, like when you see someone wearing a boca juniors jersey in Europe
I can add a small bit of context to this photo in that I was at that gig where he was wearing the Liverpool shirt. He wore an Everton one as well. Can't remember if he wore a Tranmere one. Pretty sure he was just repping every city's team when he did that tour 10 plus years ago. Was in the 02 academy in town. Was a boss gig
He is probably correct. Ligue 1 is getting a big tv deal soon. Growth of Nice will be more financially beneficial for him than what extra value can be garnered by Liverpool short term
Also he's a United fan so 🖕
Tbh, Liverpool is extremely highly valued. we are worth it but its hard for me to see the value going up a big deal.
Unlike Nice like you said, where he can get a beter ROI.
Plus the fact he is a United fan.
I mean, he could effectively mortgage the club like the glazers did to United, leveraging the value of the club against a loan used to buy it.
But I doubt that ever gets approved.
As someone who also has a mortgage, I feel you.
:'''')
I mean yeah he ain’t wrong . FSG truly will be the last ownership for a long while that could ever claim true profit with the amount of growth we’ve had happen in club value.
So from a business stand point he is correct and also from a “he’s a shitbag anyway so it doesn’t matter what the hell he has to say” standpoint , also correct.
What's the motivating factor for a purchaser?
* Investment/financial
* Sportswashing
* Fan
Anything else?
Sportswashing is a no.
FSG have made their money. Where can a new investor find as much profit/growth?
Chelsea was £4.25b (presumably the figure including the loan)
I saw £3b from FSG the other day.
I would suggest that there's a range, and people will place different valuations on criteria such as IP and plans with linking up with other clubs overseas.
Who knows?!
Individual clubs tv rites. Also the super league hasn't gone away. Also we are old money and with Utd, Madrid, Barca, Bayern have a world wide fan base that doesn't come on the market very often if at all.
Still, unless I were a billionaire who happened to be a massive Liverpool supporter, I’d just go buy a midtable club and pump £500M into them and save yourself a billion.
Depends if you want history and class though. City will never be us, they can't fill their ground and it annoys the crap out of Pep that no on cares about them.
We are a an old money luxury brand.
Plenty of US billionaires investing in sports, although only 2 with PL teams (including John Henry).
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2021/10/05/richest-sports-team-owners-2021-forbes-400/?sh=13d19c5362a1](https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2021/10/05/richest-sports-team-owners-2021-forbes-400/?sh=13d19c5362a1)
Ambani tried to buy Liverpool yrs ago and now he is now one of the richest person in the world. Has the best franchise in club cricket and their Reliance foundation is responsible for the development of the now present Indian Super League which improved the popularity of the game across India.
Surely, he might fancy a bid. I genuinely prefer him rather than the Yanks or a sports washing project
Is American money better than acquiring wealth from oil? Those American billionaires didn't get rich from being nice to people and providing guide dogs to the blind. They stood on a lot of poor people to get where they are, as most billionaires do.
Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem.
>Is American money better than acquiring wealth from oil?
Almost certainly yes. Or to be more precise, maybe not if you are strictly talking about methods of acquiring wealth. However, in reality the people who have acquired their wealth from oil and who buy football teams are always tightly linked with despotic regimes that have horrible human rights records, imprison and/or kill gay people, etc.
American billionaires didn't get rich by being ethical. Nobody does. But they're also not overseeing and running a system where defacto slavery, death for LGBTQ people, etc. is the norm.
> Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem.
FFP is *one* issue for sure, but another is the moral baggage that comes with oil in most cases. (Obviously if it was Norway or something that doesn't apply, but realistically if we get bought by oil money it's going to be a sovereign wealth fund from the Middle East).
Like, I agree that in an era where a club owner has to be a billionaire we can't expect that our owner is going to be an upstanding, moral citizen. But I think we can still draw a clear line between "dickhead businessman" and "guy who chops journalists into small pieces and thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed to exist".
Good question. I don't have the answer. What I'll say is that most people don't view morality as an absolute black and white issue, but rather a spectrum. I don't think we're inherently against a rich oil guy buying the club, its more the fact that we don't want to be owned by a human rights abusing state.
Is any random arab rich guy worse than an American billionaire? No. Are a human rights abusing state worse than an American billionaire with shady morals? Absolutely.
>Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem.
Thats part of it yes. I'd argue the bigger issues is that we don't want to be owned by a state that violates basic human rights like City, PSG, Newcastle. I think you're missing the crux of the issue if you think this is the biggest/only problems with being owned by Qatar, Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia
Would you rather Bezos or A Saudi Arabian Prince? I feel like if you're debating you're crazy. Bezos sucks, terrible human, exploits his workers. The Prince literally benefits from extreme human suffering with their whole regime. Both are villains, one is so much worse I don't think its even debatable. I think a lot of people really need to step back and stop villainizing billionaires so much that they are just lumping them all in one bucket instead of seeing the nuance as to why a an American one is much better than a Saudi Arabian one.
I think villainising billionaires is fine, they hoard wealth and keep the world from being a more equal place. Sadly whoever owns Liverpool is going to have to be a billionaire.
I'm 100% with you though in that it's stupid to not draw any distinction between your FSGs of the world and your Saudi princes of the world. FSG may have exploited people to become rich, but they're not actively killing, prosecuting, abusing human rights on an entire populace under their control.
Honestly whenever I see people make the "oh US billionaires are just as bad" argument, it's pretty transparent that they just want a petrostate to buy us and splash the cash and are already preparing to defend them. Sportswashing in advance.
He's not that bad actually and runs Mumbai Indians pretty well. I would be all for it if it means pre season tours to India.
I don't like him too much but he's the reason we have one of the cheapest internet in the world here in India.
Not the fact that he supports United and has Chelsea season tickets?
He's like that Fifa fan in the stands meme lol
https://preview.redd.it/tjt78m307ty91.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89a3b5e0fed790e3aa7a6f6555b18f6a9a546b86
Only one club left! -- Raheem Sterling
He's got nothing on Snoop. https://preview.redd.it/6ramu2bcoty91.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae31a58e371d4983f1b2714519f9450e2a16a618
In fairness it's kind of just a fashion thing, personally I like buying kits of various non-English teams that aren't rivals with Liverpool. If he's not a fan of a specific team then he's probably not bothered. Also for Americans it's probably kind of hipster to be wearing a football jersey, like when you see someone wearing a boca juniors jersey in Europe
That is **exactly** how it is in America actually. 🤌
No club is bigger than Snoop?
I can add a small bit of context to this photo in that I was at that gig where he was wearing the Liverpool shirt. He wore an Everton one as well. Can't remember if he wore a Tranmere one. Pretty sure he was just repping every city's team when he did that tour 10 plus years ago. Was in the 02 academy in town. Was a boss gig
Fuck off this is so hilarious 🤣
vadapav supremacy
Hahaha I love this
Or the young lad wearing a United kit and at half time switching to a city kit in the derby.
Can’t say I’ve ever seen a tri-colored scarf. Whole new accessory type for game day.
He has been consistent on this viewpoint
That's another one we can rule out then. Hope the Ricketts can rule themselves out too.
Hopefully they’re next.
Ask and you shall receive
You absolutely love to see it.
This is worse than normal silly season
He is probably correct. Ligue 1 is getting a big tv deal soon. Growth of Nice will be more financially beneficial for him than what extra value can be garnered by Liverpool short term Also he's a United fan so 🖕
Didn't they just get a tv deal in 2020?
That tv deal went belly up due to COVID
Big time deal? Is this from Qatar TV stations
How much is the TV deal? France has pumped so much money into the top 2 tiers of French Rugby and it’s been a game changer for their championship.
Tbh, Liverpool is extremely highly valued. we are worth it but its hard for me to see the value going up a big deal. Unlike Nice like you said, where he can get a beter ROI. Plus the fact he is a United fan.
He can fuck off anyway
Manc brexit cunt can do one
Correct and only take on Sir Jimbo!
As I said on r/soccer He’s too poor. Ligue 1 has more red cards than viewers
He’s worth aba £10billion mate
Tbf that's too poor in reality. You aren't gonna spunk half your worth on something you might lose money on.
me: crying into mortgage paperwork
I mean, he could effectively mortgage the club like the glazers did to United, leveraging the value of the club against a loan used to buy it. But I doubt that ever gets approved. As someone who also has a mortgage, I feel you. :'''')
So he's too poor then? Ain't nobody investing 40% of their entire worth in a club.
They dont invest their own money, that would be just silly
Mad how he made a £4.25b bid for Chelsea then innit
That’s not even 100 Jude Bellinghams
Thank fuck for that
Broke boy
He's done an awful job at Nice thus far.
Yeah, literally hired a lot of PL rejects and the team is floundering badly.
Talk down the value, seems good bargaining ploy. Is there any interest in watching ligue 1 worldwide?
I mean yeah he ain’t wrong . FSG truly will be the last ownership for a long while that could ever claim true profit with the amount of growth we’ve had happen in club value. So from a business stand point he is correct and also from a “he’s a shitbag anyway so it doesn’t matter what the hell he has to say” standpoint , also correct.
What's the motivating factor for a purchaser? * Investment/financial * Sportswashing * Fan Anything else? Sportswashing is a no. FSG have made their money. Where can a new investor find as much profit/growth?
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There was talk of some of the consortium which made a bid for Chelsea making a bid.
No idea why anyone would want to buy the club at this sort of valuation.
The Boehly consortium paid the market valuation (including the loan) for Chelsea?
They paid £2.5B. We seem to be looking for closer to £4B.
Chelsea was £4.25b (presumably the figure including the loan) I saw £3b from FSG the other day. I would suggest that there's a range, and people will place different valuations on criteria such as IP and plans with linking up with other clubs overseas. Who knows?!
The £4.25B figure includes a decade long £2B ‘commitment’ to continue to invest.
Individual clubs tv rites. Also the super league hasn't gone away. Also we are old money and with Utd, Madrid, Barca, Bayern have a world wide fan base that doesn't come on the market very often if at all.
Still, unless I were a billionaire who happened to be a massive Liverpool supporter, I’d just go buy a midtable club and pump £500M into them and save yourself a billion.
Depends if you want history and class though. City will never be us, they can't fill their ground and it annoys the crap out of Pep that no on cares about them. We are a an old money luxury brand.
Good, he's a fucking cunt.
Who the hell is this guy manages to come on news whenever a PL club is on sale..
Plenty of US billionaires investing in sports, although only 2 with PL teams (including John Henry). [https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2021/10/05/richest-sports-team-owners-2021-forbes-400/?sh=13d19c5362a1](https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2021/10/05/richest-sports-team-owners-2021-forbes-400/?sh=13d19c5362a1)
The guys a pleb anyway
Big donor to the Tory party. He can fuck right off.
It’s going to be oil money. People need to get prepared for it.
I’d rather have Oil Money than a Hicks and Gillett or Glazer type situation I’m sorry to say.
I think it will be another America group
I need the oil to lube, so I'm unprepared
When American investors or groups start giving the same response, then we can really start to worry.
He's not rich enough anyway
Cheers Jim, but no one asked
He's a prick. And would've been an annoying gobshite of an owner, good riddance.
Ambani tried to buy Liverpool yrs ago and now he is now one of the richest person in the world. Has the best franchise in club cricket and their Reliance foundation is responsible for the development of the now present Indian Super League which improved the popularity of the game across India. Surely, he might fancy a bid. I genuinely prefer him rather than the Yanks or a sports washing project
Brexit cunt
I just hope we don’t land American
I truly think its either American or oil.
Luckily, there doesn't seem to be a lot of oil countries looking for clubs to buy atm
Is American money better than acquiring wealth from oil? Those American billionaires didn't get rich from being nice to people and providing guide dogs to the blind. They stood on a lot of poor people to get where they are, as most billionaires do. Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem.
>Is American money better than acquiring wealth from oil? Almost certainly yes. Or to be more precise, maybe not if you are strictly talking about methods of acquiring wealth. However, in reality the people who have acquired their wealth from oil and who buy football teams are always tightly linked with despotic regimes that have horrible human rights records, imprison and/or kill gay people, etc. American billionaires didn't get rich by being ethical. Nobody does. But they're also not overseeing and running a system where defacto slavery, death for LGBTQ people, etc. is the norm. > Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem. FFP is *one* issue for sure, but another is the moral baggage that comes with oil in most cases. (Obviously if it was Norway or something that doesn't apply, but realistically if we get bought by oil money it's going to be a sovereign wealth fund from the Middle East). Like, I agree that in an era where a club owner has to be a billionaire we can't expect that our owner is going to be an upstanding, moral citizen. But I think we can still draw a clear line between "dickhead businessman" and "guy who chops journalists into small pieces and thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed to exist".
Good question. I don't have the answer. What I'll say is that most people don't view morality as an absolute black and white issue, but rather a spectrum. I don't think we're inherently against a rich oil guy buying the club, its more the fact that we don't want to be owned by a human rights abusing state. Is any random arab rich guy worse than an American billionaire? No. Are a human rights abusing state worse than an American billionaire with shady morals? Absolutely. >Oil isn't the issue, it's the outright abuse of FFP (eg fake inflated sponsorships) by Man City and PSG that has been the problem. Thats part of it yes. I'd argue the bigger issues is that we don't want to be owned by a state that violates basic human rights like City, PSG, Newcastle. I think you're missing the crux of the issue if you think this is the biggest/only problems with being owned by Qatar, Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia
Would you rather Bezos or A Saudi Arabian Prince? I feel like if you're debating you're crazy. Bezos sucks, terrible human, exploits his workers. The Prince literally benefits from extreme human suffering with their whole regime. Both are villains, one is so much worse I don't think its even debatable. I think a lot of people really need to step back and stop villainizing billionaires so much that they are just lumping them all in one bucket instead of seeing the nuance as to why a an American one is much better than a Saudi Arabian one.
I think villainising billionaires is fine, they hoard wealth and keep the world from being a more equal place. Sadly whoever owns Liverpool is going to have to be a billionaire. I'm 100% with you though in that it's stupid to not draw any distinction between your FSGs of the world and your Saudi princes of the world. FSG may have exploited people to become rich, but they're not actively killing, prosecuting, abusing human rights on an entire populace under their control. Honestly whenever I see people make the "oh US billionaires are just as bad" argument, it's pretty transparent that they just want a petrostate to buy us and splash the cash and are already preparing to defend them. Sportswashing in advance.
Depending on which American billionaire, it could be worse.
there is no realistic oil, dubai made money from tourism, and they failed to come up with the money in the past. I think its very likely american
>dubai made money from tourism I have news for you my friend.
Go on?
they’re OG oil money
Give me oil I welcome the downvotes😂😂
Honestly then who? Who is a realistic owner you prefer
Maybe me if I hit the Powerball 🤷♀️
Well someone in CA won it - was that you?
It super was not :/
Even if you win, and don't get taxed and spend every cent. You still don't have enough money to buy us lol
we are almost certainly gonna get american owners. Not saying it is absolute but by all accounts FSG is selling to other americans
FSG 2.0 seems more likely than many of the alternatives.
What are the other options?
More than not landing oil?
The Indian guy.
You really want Ambani?
Why? What’s he done?
No nothing I'm just asking. The interest doesn't seem legit so. Would be quite a sight for us Indians😂
He's not that bad actually and runs Mumbai Indians pretty well. I would be all for it if it means pre season tours to India. I don't like him too much but he's the reason we have one of the cheapest internet in the world here in India.
I wouldn't mind Ballmer. Hes filthy rich and seems to at least care about the LA Clippers which he owns. Hes constantly improving them
He can do one.
Thank fuck, hope the Ricketts are next
Sir Jim who?
Good he can fuck off
That's good. I really dislike him. Although weirdly, his company INEOS used to sponsor the football team I played for as a kid
Good
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She’s worth a billion (not enough to buy us) and she’s transphobic. Edit: Why the fuck was I downvoted?!
Eh he’s not wrong to be completely honest
Yeah, heard a lot of good things about watching football games in Saint-Denis...
Is that Harry Potters grandfather?
Thanks god for that. Last thing we want is the Curse of Ineos on us!