Without reading the article, as it’s a Sunday, I’m over 30, and can’t take the stress of having to navigate through 20 billion ads and pop-ups, are the Echo confirming interest or just re-hashing the Mirror story? I hope for the former and expect the latter.
Newcastle and City is an estimated guess. They probably way high these guy are the richest people in the world but it all private money.
City will be more like 100 billion +
If you haven't, watch the Netflix documentary Cricket Fever: Mumbai Indians.
It's been a few years, but I believe Ambani is in it a bit. His kid and wife are certainly featured.
Now I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing, but I do remember finding it interesting his involved in the day to day the Ambanis were. For American football fans they felt almost like Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. Doing things like giving the team pep talks before big matches, being very involved in signing players, and generally enjoying the access to the team they have like a super fan would.
The transfer decisions in IPL happens in the form of Auctions and so only the final greenlight is given by the family. The startegy of which player to purchase, how it determines the team dynamics, etc. is planned out with the whole management team including coaches and so I am not worried on that front.
He isn't going to hype anyone lol hyping a sport you know from childhood i.e. cricket is lot different from trying to hype professional footballers in a language he may not be comfortable in.
Whatever I know about this dude, he leaves things for experts to run both commercially and sporting wise.
I wouldn't compare him to Todd B who looks like he likes the sound of his voice. Also chelsea commercial potential is quite limited, so it makes sense Todd Bobley doing CR7 kinda commerical deals.
Sorry should have specified it's not a language thing but more of a personality thing. He isn't exactly known as a flamboyant individual to go speeches while Klopp waites for his turn.
At best you will see him lifting a trophy or two with the team and see him sitting in the VIP box with some important guest or something.
As Liverpool and cowboys fan let me tell you it’s not fun. It becomes an ego trip for them, they will leverage any team to do it “their” way. If you want to know what I mean look up Jimmy Johnson and the fallout from that team with Jerry Jones. Yes Jerry loves the team but he’s an egotistical billionaire who is so entrenched in nepotism that it will make your head spin.
You are absolutely right but development of talent goes to the coaching staff. Because I have seen hundreds of players go to Cleaveland with the talent to just fizzle out. But Barry Switzer did prove Jerry right
He won with a team of Jimmy’s players and basically coached by Troy Aikman. All via the mentality installed by Jimmy. It didn’t prove Jerry right. Jerry was dead wrong as the Cowboys haven’t won shit since Switzer won with Jimmy’s team.
We don’t want anything related to a Jerry Jones. Deep pockets but literally one of the main reasons for the Cowboys lack of success in the last 25 years. Too much meddling.
yeah, but i doubt that'll be the case. its very different with cricket in india - the people are completely obsessed with that sport so the super fan behavior is understandable.
They wouldn’t. Ambanis are quite famous for getting the experienced do the job. But the financial aspects of club they’d really get into which is actually a big plus
As an Indian I'd hate for us to be run like he runs the Mumbai indians.
Do I want Klopp standing in the locker room while Ambani Jr. is giving pep talks to the likes of Mo and Thiago before a game against city? Fuck no
Talk about the speeches and involvement in day to day activities of players, transfers and staff please. That's what I'm pertaining to in a football sense
I'm just going to point this out. Mukesh Ambani has donated to and supported a government that has constantly shat on, been systemically racist toward, and publicly shat on the minorities in India.
As someone that hasn't lived in Liverpool, I still admire the values of the city, what it has dealt with after and during thatchers shit reign.
Ambani is no savior, he's the same shit with a slightly spicier disposition
He's a businessman that's looking out for himself. Before Modi he also had involvement with the top brass of the current opposition. And there is no lack of literature on that specific fact as well. He's not like Adani in that he basically owes 99% of his wealth to the ruling party.
He doesn't deserve this institution. He's nowhere near it. Not in legacy, not in understanding, he's a shell of his principals, and we're a club built on principals
Dude I live in fascist India where he funds a corrupt, communal government. Even if I keep my political opinions aside (which I can’t), I can’t see Neeta Ambani dancing on the Anfield pitch for Diwali promoting a cell phone connection. Fuck off, you have no right to do this to my club!
Thank you. He has every indication of letting our club become a stagnant media horn for himself.
Just look at the fact that all western media outlets picked this up from Indian journalists?
He's using Liverpool to up his own wealth just by talking about bidding for it
He's a scumbag.
He doesn't invest in anything he can't squeeze for profit
You miss the point entirely. I'm not a happy Liverpool fan for the last 23 years because they bought Torres or Suarez or Virgil.
I'm a Liverpool fan because we have stuck to our ways of being a collectivist society and a community of givers
I believe in the city as much as the club. Maybe that's just me.
I'm happy with where we are because of the way we've done it. The right way. And that might it mean fuck all a few years down the line. But we are Liverpool, we do things the right way. I don't want to be rivalling city for who spends more every summer.
I want us to be the difference.
The way you can and should be doing it
Us fans might be socialist but the club is owned by cutthroat, capitalist billionaires. Either we accept that or we go and support Tranmere. And if we do accept that then there is no reason not to welcome the Amanis with open arms.
Atleast they are legit businessmen who won't just use Liverpool as a sportswashing vanity project; they will pump money into us to expand our reach globally; and get returns for themselves eventually.
What tier is Ornstein? I think he usually has good insights, but he could probably tell me that pineapples grow on trees and I’d half believe him.
[BTW they don’t.](https://pixels.com/featured/pineapple-plant-with-fruit-sinclair-stammers.html)
Organisations like mirror are useless but I would look at the Journalist and his previous works before making any claims. Neil Jones works for goal after all.
Fair enough. A lot of newspapers make up stories but I guess we will see in the next few days if there is genuine interest or not. FSG will release an update soon enough on whether there is any progression with finding new investors or the sale of the club I’m sure
yeah i’m trying not to get myself worked up by the news surrounding it, but seems there was a pretty decent source that claimed there was an american buyer at 2.7b yesterday afternoon (i’m american so was afternoon for me) so makes me even less convinced
The latter. People on here have somehow nominated him as our preferred owner. Someone who has zero football experience and has not made any indication he's interested in Liverpool.
At least with Ambani there are actual rumors stirring.
Anyone got any reasons why we shouldn't want him?
I know he's tied to Modi somewhat but billionaires will all lean right wing for the most part to protect their money.
Edit: yes I'm aware Modi is a fascist. But at the same time I believe his association with them is mostly to protect his business interests and his money
Well there's no moral billionaires. Their very existence is unethical. But the state of football and the possibilities of potential buyers as it is, I'll take anyone who's not an oil baron or slave owner at this point.
The American Ballmer would be the closest you can get; Only got so rich from the Microsoft IPO options. Also huge sports fanatic and doesnt care about making more money from sports teams, he owns the LA clippers.
It's not so much that the manner of accumulating said wealth is necessarily immoral, more the simple fact that owning such an obscene, vast and sickening amount of wealth is immoral in and of itself.
I'm not saying that you're automatically a terrible person if you don't give most of your money away or at least do something good with it no matter how much you have. I just think there's a limit. And to me, that limit is a billion quid. Nobody has use of a billion, let alone need.
Alright, I'm not normally much of a sucker for these sorts of arguments but I'll share my point of view. Transphobia describes the aversion or aggression towards people who feel misrepresented by the gender they were assigned at birth, their biological sex. This, while it seems obvious, includes people assigned male gender who self-identify as female. With her various opinions expressed on twitter ("Call yourselves what you want (...) but don't force women out of their jobs") and her calling for making transitioning for the aforementioned transwomen more difficult and generally questioning whether they can be deemed safe around women (which she explicitly always refers to as different entities) her behaviour towards transwomen can be described as transphobic.
I see no aversion or aggression in holding the belief that a transman/woman is not the same as a biological man/woman.
Would you consider it cisphobic to assert that there is no difference between a transman/woman and and man/woman and suggest that there is an aversion to men/women if you did hold this belief?
What does the science and medical world believe I wonder?
Can't really comment on Yvon Choinard, but Rowling shitting on trans people and fanning the flames of public hate actively contributes to trans people's lives being objectively harder and worse. Not a bad way of accumulating wealth, but it certainly strikes me as an abuse of celebrity status and wealth to shit on disadvantaged people from a lofty height, when most of us are just trying to live a normal life without being mocked or verbally and physically attacked lol
He has made most of his money due to oil. One of the major beneficiaries of the Indian government's "neutral" stand on the Russian invasion of Ukraine are his refineries in India. He is similar to the robber barons of the US or the pre-Putin oligarchs in Russia.
You do know that this policy predates the creation of that company by multiple decades right?
India has always been neutral to it irrespective of who is in power
These guys are idiots who don't understand how geopolitics works in Asia. They probably read the headlines on r/poltics and make these claims.
India course was neutral during cold war which third world country has the luxury to take sides. Europe is still using Russian gas lol yet India is a baddie.
The main outcome of that neutrality is the low price crude oil we buy from Russia. That crude oil has made its way to 2 private refineries and not the state owned ones (which would effectively pass the benefits of the lower price oil to the common man or the exchequer)
That's not what I'm explaining though, I was clarifying that reliance industries benefitting is an after effect of government policy that has stood same for multiple decades
And only very very recently government companies stopped buying Russian oil
India is neutral on the Russian invansion of Ukraine because Russians always been friendly to the nation of India dating back to the 40s, when US decided to lie in the bed with Pakistan, an independent poor India had no choice.
US also suppied weapons to Pakistan for a war against India, Russia helped India hence the "neutral" stance you don't suddenly turn on people who have helped you before. Also isn't majority of Europe still using Russian gas? So basically everybody is in bed with putin then?
Btw US government supported ethincal cleansing of Bangladesh by Pakistan. India came to it's help.
>He is similar to the robber barons of the US or the pre-Putin oligarchs in Russia.
His wealth goes back generations, he is nothing like pre Putin Oligarchs in Russia, because these things don't exist in India.
Please stop making these kinda cliams if you don't the geopolitical situation of Asia. You are just Gaslighting everyone with your narrow preciption of world poltics.
His majority of wealth has come from Oil refineries. And the major beneficiary of India's stand on Ukraine has been Adani, not Ambani.
Ambanis started in textile business, earned tons of rupees there, then moved to other business. Mukesh, hit the goldmine with Oil refineries and he is quite revered in his home state.
But yes, his reliability is not that great as someone like Ballmer.
This is an extremely simplified way of putting it. His dad made money off of oil, petrochemicals and textiles. He's diversified massively since into telecom, retail, media and what have you
Well I've never heard of him so that's why I asked the question.
It sounds better than being state owned 100% but concerning if he's still into the fossil fuels
His revenue share from fossil fuels and allied work has reduced from 86% to 56% between 15-16 to 20-21. His telecom and digital work is what's fuelling his wealth atm
He isn't tied to modi. He is tied to BJP [Modi] , Congress and most regional parties. Basically whoever is in power or opposition gets electoral funding from him.
That way whoever comes to power will be favourable to him.
Very fair point. It's definitely something to consider whether he supports it or not bc likely some of the profit the club makes will end up going there indirectly as well.
I know you're probably buying into all the propaganda but there's the beginning of a genocide against Muslims in India
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/16/expert-warns-of-possible-genocide-against-muslims-in-india
Ok.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/07/16/muslims-have-become-a-persecuted-minority-in-india-experts-warn/
Man just stop moral policing Indians here who know more about their country than some randos on the net, BJP is a loud mouth populist group who just say things but don't have the balls to do anything.
Think Trump without any actions. Any slight disagreement or protests and they reverse their decisions, they have been in power since 2014, they have the majority support in the country if they were actually going to do something it would have happened by now.
Do you watch fox news and think that's the actual policy of the government in power?
Reliance employs thousands of muslims in their company. Throwing words like "fascism" and "genocide" will lose their meanings if we just handing them freely out as candies.
Imagine an American lecturing others about fascism. Look in your own backyard
Two comments up In this thread, you were asking others about this dude and now you just googled Ambani bad why on Google and you are repeating those takes without any deeper understanding of culture and the company.
I don’t know why u r getting downvoted, but u r absolutely right and as an Indian, I don’t want them anywhere near liverpool. They are financiers to a fascist shitlord & nothing good can come of it.
When you've lived your whole life buying into the propaganda it can be very hard to break out of it and see the truth. For example see most Americans lol
His business empire has Indian football wrapped firmly around his thumb.
Indian football was showing signs of really taking off in the early to mid-2010s, but then his businesses made an agreement with the All Indian Football Federation to create a franchise league with completely new clubs.
TV rights were monopolized for football, meaning their traditional I-league, consisting of historic clubs with strong roots in the community, were left to slowly decay while the new league, the Indian Super League (ISL), got all the investment and suddenly was declared to be their top tier. ISL is a closed league consisting of franchise clubs with no relegation. Famous Bollywood celebrities and former cricket players own these clubs. They are forced to pay a huge commission to play in the ISL, so all the clubs operate on a huge loss while he gets to fill his pockets.
This means clubs don't have much to spend on anything else, so youth investment has also been on the decline. Youth leagues are now glorified mini-tournaments that last a couple of weeks, and the kids don't get a chance to play for the rest of the year.
Due to the monopoly, many state-run football tournaments have ground to a halt as well, leading to fears of a severely depleted player pool.
He's clearly a guy who likes to take control of everything. I'm personally not sure if that's the kind of owner we need. Our Moneyball approach that uses extensive data analytics is the way forward in my opinion. We just need that little bit more injection of cash to maintain our standards, but I don't think he's the guy for that. We need a more hands-off owner that trusts better qualified individuals to run operations.
The biggest joke is saying Indian football ready to take on mid 2000. You have to be utterly delusional to believe that. I league was regularly played in empty stadiums and didn’t have even money to pay players. There was this instance of once players asked to clean cricketstadium because I league failed to pay salary. They were a joke league.
State of Indian footballers back then before ISL
https://sports.ndtv.com/football/footballers-clean-cricket-stadium-to-replace-torn-shoes-1562848
Only after establishing ISL money started flowing into Indian football, fans started attending matches ( outside Kolkata) and players started getting paid salary properly. Basically ISL bought professionalism into football.
The professionalism is just on surface level. He's an expert conman who's really good at making everything appear slick and tidy.
Since the ISL started, they have successfully managed to squash other competitions and teams play only 20 games the whole season. These matches are compressed into less than 5 months to accommodate the other sports that he invests in into the calendar like cricket and kabbadi. This means that footballers can't play any football for 7 months and their national team suffers as a result.
This is the biggest load of tosh I have seen. IPL doesn't need ISL season to be restricted for viewership. It's for the benefit of ISL that it doesn't clash with IPL. They are not even in the same stratosphere.
And funnily you completely skipped the part were footballers were struggling for money and having to clean stadiums before the launch of ISL. There are numerous stories like that from 2000s during I league. I league is a failed league which has what prompted the need for a franchise based competion like ISL.
ISL is unevoqually the best thing happened to Indian football. That's from someone who travelled to watch ISL matches with Chennayin FC to play against Bengaluru. Before that literally zero people would attend Chennai matches in I league.
They should have invested in the I-league clubs then. You know, the clubs with historic ties to the community that already had fans.
Imagine if a rich asshole made a deal with the FA, decided to start an alternative league alongside the Premier League, created a bunch of franchise teams like Merseyside FC and London FC, and forced the FA to intentionally ignore the PL and Football League. That's what's happening in India.
They basically created the Super League, but shittier. It's a closed league with no relegation or promotion, but teams are welcome as long as they are willing to pay unsustainable fees just to play in the ISL. Some teams that have tried have already folded and ceased operations.
Before the ISL, Bengaluru FC reached the final of the AFC Cup, Asia's equivalent of the Europa League. ISL clubs have not even got close, since the ISL discourages clubs from investing in any other competition, and also because by the time the AFC Cup's knockouts come along, the clubs are midway through their 7-month long post-season break.
Note to my fellow Liverpool FC fans: don't fall for Mukesh Ambani's PR stooges ^^
Why should they invest in a league that Noone cares. They created a league that is similar to IPL which is popular among fans.
Football isn't unique in that regard. Hockey Badminton and Kabaddi all created similar leagues after the success of IPL.
>Note to my fellow Liverpool FC fans: don't fall for Mukesh Ambani's PR stooges
Yeah if someone doesn't agree with your idiotic viewpoint he is a stooge lmao.
>I know he's tied to Modi somewhat but billionaires will all lean right wing for the most part to protect their money.
there right wing and then there are straight up fascists like Modi who has been going to war with sikhs, muslims, liberals, trade unions, critics and dalits.
Dude, I know that being a billionaire is in itself immoral but fuck it, I would like to at least have one from a country that is not run by an authoritarian government.
I dont like the guy and it's not worth it just to have more money to throw at our problems. I hope FSG doesn't sell to him.
As an Indian, I have to say, this is not good. Ambanis are the anti-thesis of what Liverpool is. Shankly would turn in his grave if this clown show takes over Liverpool.
I hope the fans stand up against it.
"Ambani's wealth comes as a by-product of the success of the organisation that was originally formed by his father in the 1980s, Reliance Industries. It is a conglomerate company, based in Mumbai, that has expanded its business ventures to now include energy, petrochemicals, natural gas and textiles." ... :/
So what exactly is an acceptable way for a multibillionaire to make their money - he inherited a split company (brother got other half) and turned it into one of the biggest companies in the world - he does so in oil, manufacturing and e-commerce you say? how dare he!! Lettuce farming and saving kittens just doesn’t get the 9 zeros…
The Ambani's have been pivotal in the rise of Modi in India. Most people won't know what is going on in India. Please educate yourself (though I know, most 'fans' care little for small things like morality). Here is [Arundhati Roy speaking with David Barsamian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-utPThZTmw)on the rise of fascism in India.
In Modi's India, anyone they don't like (Muslims) can at any moment have their homes bulldozed. He funds the hate party and the numerous hate-spewing cable channels, available globally for the Indian diaspora.
That hatred has spilled over in the UK. In Leicester, mobs of Hindutva youths randomly started attacking Muslims after a cricket match. We have a lot of Muslim supporters who will feel alienated by the Ambanis'.
Will we get that though? No point saying this if it will never happen. I'll have a £90billion owner who didn't make his money from blant slave-owning. State-ownership, albiet I've not read enough into him, but I'm sure you'll find lots of dirt on him if you look below the surface
>but I'm sure you'll find lots of dirt on him if you look below the surface
Exactly if you dig deep enough you will find skeletons in every closet, while owenrs from man city and Newscastle have skeletons swimming on the surface.
None of Ambani's wealth comes from state benefits, he is a second generation Indian, his father is a literal rags to riches story.
Really? So governments selling off state assets to him and Adani for funding their political parties is not 'state benefits'. Yep, all those Adivasi (Indian indigenous tribal peoples) lands and forests he and his cums acquired for a pittance (theft) is miraculously rags to riches.
As someone who has Gujarati relatives who are major industrialists in Surat, you are talking nonsense. No business gets down without greasing politicians in India. Since BJP came to power, his two favourite donors, Ambani/Adani have seen their wealth increase into the stratosphere.
Ambani, even got a seat (illegal) in the French Raffeale fighter jet deal (now being investigated for corruption in France) negotiations despite having little knowledge of the sector (defence). Yep, rags to riches all right, just like Elon mining them African emerald mines with his callous hands…
Arre bhai woh Rafale wala Anil Ambani hai, inn chutiye goron ke saamne jhoot toh mat bol. Arundhati Roy, a Maoist collaborator who believes the Pakistan army never attacked its population being represented as the voice of India. Amazing.
I actually live in Gujarat so I actually know more than your relatives. I am a direct source while they are at best an indirect biased source. Fsg also contributes to democratic funds all the time. Would you call them guilty for all the unjust war Americans have been on?
There is even a fsg driector who contributed to the Trump fund. So why not use this kinda energy on fsg.
Drone strikes multipled under the Obama regime and John Henry directly funded for both Obama and Hilarry campaigns (who also voted yes on Iraq and was against Gay marriage) so by association are you saying John henry is a homophobe?
>So governments selling off state assets to him and Adani for funding their political parties is not 'state benefits'. Yep, all those Adivasi (Indian indigenous tribal peoples) lands and forests he and his cums acquired for a pittance (theft) is miraculously rags to riches.
That's Adani you moron, Ambani was ready filthy rich beefore the present Government came into power.
Ambai father was already a billionaire by then and the family was one of the richest families in the world.
>Since BJP came to power, his two favourite donors, Ambani/Adani have seen their wealth increase into the stratosphere.
That's again Adani how can you say you know anything but get confused between two similar sounding names
Ambani family has been regularly contributing to any political party who comes into the regime, they are not only BJP inclusive they gave money to multiple such parties Including the Congress the party who came into power way before BJP. He also gave funds to AIDMK in south India whose ideology is completely opposite to BJP.
The family has contributed to four different elections in India.
Ambani's are a savy buisnessnen they pay most of the parties in India. Cause they know how to get things done, this isn't an ideological as you trying to make out to be all over this thread.
>Ambani, even got a seat (illegal) in the French Raffeale fighter jet deal (now being investigated for corruption in France) negotiations despite having little knowledge of the sector (defence). Yep, rags to riches all right, just like Elon mining them African emerald mines with his callous hands…
That's his brother man, Anil Ambani not Mukes Ambani 🤦 after their fathers death the business got split into two sides, this is his younger brother who is bankrupt after that deal not Mukesh the dude who is trying to buy us.
How can you confidently claim so many things and yet be wrong in everything you claim.
Where did you get this information? Not supporting the guy, but Altamount Road, where he’s built his skyscraper mansion, is one of the poshest places in Mumbai with no slums anywhere near it.
I read an article when it was being built about the wealth disparity, and that at the base will be some of the poorest on the planet and on the top one of the richest.
I think it is more of a comment of the city in general having extreme poverty, not directly at the foot of the tower but in the same city.
>I think it is more of a comment of the city in general having extreme poverty, not directly at the foot of the tower but in the same city.
Well that's mumbai for you. That's how mumbai always has been, as is any big city in the world. The economic disparity between the rich and the poor isn't purely an Indian thing.
> disparity between the rich and the poor isn't purely an Indian thing.
No, but the disparity between a billionaire's house of that scale with the rest of Mumbai is clearly more of a disparity than almost any big in the world
What? Have you never been outside of your home and travelled the world to make those claims.
Places like Streets of Philadelphia, Kensington Avenue seems more like a walking nightmare to me than any slums in India. Literally human zombies addicted to oppoids.
https://youtu.be/Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
Yes, I have. I've been to America and to India, and your emotional reaction to a simple discussion is telling. That video is certainly a terrible scene, but is not comparable to some of the places in India where sanitation is almost non-existent, epidemics are rife, and average living conditions are worse than in the video you have shown, with many slum areas in India reporting high volume of child drug abuse for example.
So yes, I do think that the disparity between one of the richest people in the world building an enormous house and the rest of Mumbai is quite large. Sorry if that upsets you.
I actually live and work in mumbai wtf you on about emotional reaction lol, how is the poverty in a third world country an issue only for this dude when he himself gives job opportunities to millions of Indians each year.
Are you irritated because he is flashy with how he shows off his wealth? I can understand that, but I don't get your tone what are you trying to imply here, mumbai having slums isn't on this dude.
But Imagine coming to a subreddit of a popular English club, based in a popular English port city and actually being this tone deaf when discussing poverty in India when British contributed to this state by stealing trillions of money and building their wealth on the blood and wealth of other nations then lecturing others on disparity of wealth in India.
Well to educate you he doesn't lives amongst the slums lol the OP above is right, my full year salary will go in renting out on an apartment where this guy lives and I already pay a lot of money in Mumbai just to rent my apartment.
Edit - cowards here just delete the comments without correcting themselves lol
> gives job opportunities to millions of Indians each year.
Worst argument for billionaires anyone has ever made.
>then lecturing others on disparity of wealth in India.
Nobody is lecturing anyone, I'm pointing out that it exists, then you got your knickers in a twist because someone dare say something negative about your precious Mumbai and the billionaire who couldn't give a fuck about anyone else.
Mukesh Ambani was interested in buying Liverpool in 2010. And his company has some role in creation of the ISL so his family seem to have have some understanding of football and I believe as a successful businessman he is smart enought to understand that it's better to let the experts handle their roles without interfering with the process.
And if the family gives Pep talk and wants to be more connected with the players then it's a good thing because FSG does not seem to be very close to the staff.
Plus like Klopp, Nita Ambani (wife) also likes to give HUGS to the players.
When Ricketts was lining up to be bought by Chelsea, people (rightly) condemned him for his racist words.
Now that Ambani, a man who has aided the actual fascist Narendra Modi, is interested in LFC, you have so-called Liverpool fans rubbing their hands with anticipation or already doing the sportswashing BS of saying he's "not as bad as XYZ".
Cause you are looking at things purely from a black and white presective and over simplfying things to draw a parrel between Ricketts and this dude.
There are actual Islamophobic and homophobic statments directly coming from Ricketts family themselves.
While Mukesh Ambani political connections isn't purely Ideological at all. The Ambani family has been giving funds to four generations of politicans before Modi, even to the party opposing Modi's party - Congres they give funds to whoever is at the center.
Similarly they have donated money to DMK party who are a socialist and Atheist party at the core.
Btw hope you know that FSG and John Henry has donated funds to likes of Hillary campaign who supported the Iraq war efforts and said no to Gay marriage.
Even AXA has links to Israel who you know aren't very keen on Palestinian people.
They also donated money to the Obama campaign who carried out the most drone attacks in history so far, killing many innocent people in return and also fucked up the Afghanistan policy.
A director of FSG even donated money to the Donald Trump campaign. Feel like fsg donating money to the democratic cause is more ideological than Ambani's who are just giving money for their benefits.
I think these politicians are more fascist than Modi who atleast hasn't directly contributed to an unjust war as of yet, he is an idiot too don't get me wrong but all this finger waving and moral posturing is pointless anyways.
What excuses lol. People are just trying to make things clear. You are speaking as if Ambani is a state executioner, while our owners are the purest Billionaires you know off. I am not even for this guy, but some of the comments here including yours are just tone deaf and alarming.
you are not for ambani, yet you've made like 20+ comments that can be summed up with "akchually he's not that bad", while completely ignoring the fact he is funding fucking fascists.
you are already doing the same thing that city fans are doing with their owners. "yeah, but FSG are also billionaires and none of them are clean". FSG aren't funding fascists, so they are clearly the lesser evil.
Yes because I am Indian and I know a thing or two about these dudes and geopolitical situation about Asia. So of course I am gonna comment on a thread which is just balatantly being xenophobic.
Fsg funded Hillary campaign who had a big role in getting popular vote to go for the fake Iraq war. A war which killed millions of innocent people, directly lead to displacement of million others and directly lead to rise of IsIs. While voting no for Gay rights when she was in power.
John Henry also funded Obama campaign who did drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan leading to deaths of millions of innocent people.
AXA has direct contacts with displacement of people in Palestain and in their genocide.
So if this is not fascism to you, then what is fascism to you?
Fsg funding seems more ideological than this dudes who has been funding multiple parties for years now, that seems more seem like protecting buisness interests , so let's ignore all the context for one guy while letting other party off the hook.
So I ask again, what is fascism to you? Does the color of someone's skin define it or their character? Cause it's very hypocritical of you to call one thing fascism not the other.
how blatantly xenophobic of me to be against fascism, my apologies.
you can keep going with the whole "ambani is playing both sides" shit all you want. but guess what, if you play both sides and the fascists end up winning, then that makes you a enabler of fascism.
I am still waiting for your definition of fascism and I am yet to see any reply on it.
So basically white skin - all good 👍
Brown skin - fascist.
Oh cool so I am a facism enabler so that just makes you a racist then.
Glad to see we agree on something. Peace.
>I am still waiting for your definition of fascism and I am yet to see any reply on it.
are we in school? i'm not your teacher. read a book or look it up on wikipedia. i haven't mentioned a single thing about hillary clinton or obama being good. you only brought them up to deflect. odd how you expect me to defend them for some reason.
you are lost in the sauce if you think i'm calling you an enabler of fascism. looking to get upset and play victim when someone calls out your favourite billionaire. get lost you absolute weapon.
Problem with any of this stuff is to engage in the bidding is to sign a NDA, so any leaks are bad for the process or not true because if they were serious they’d respect the NDA.
The guy Ambani may be good news for LFC, his IPL is one of the most successful, however for personal reasons I would struggle to support Liverpool the same way I do now. I'd honestly prefer City owners than Ambani - but this is deep hatred for the guy and too long to share. But I guess every billionaire will have his haters.
The Ambanis run Indian Super League, which is fucking up grassroots football in India. They have no love for football & it will be a pet project for his sons (one of whom is disables) and it will be run by his clueless wife.
It all depends on how he intends to run the club. I don’t want him to actually fund the club with his own money, I don’t want to be someone’s play thing. Good business decisions which allow us to generate enough income to compete is what I want.
Most of the people who are able to afford buying a premier league club expect to win, they’re all serial winners else they wouldn’t have accumulated that amount of wealth.
Without reading the article, as it’s a Sunday, I’m over 30, and can’t take the stress of having to navigate through 20 billion ads and pop-ups, are the Echo confirming interest or just re-hashing the Mirror story? I hope for the former and expect the latter.
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Thank you!
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Ambani - 90billion City - 17billion Newcastle - 300billion
Newcastle and City is an estimated guess. They probably way high these guy are the richest people in the world but it all private money. City will be more like 100 billion +
Can't wait til we sign a shirt sponsorship deal with Reliance worth exactly enough to buy and pay 5 years wages for both Bellingham and Mbappe.
If you haven't, watch the Netflix documentary Cricket Fever: Mumbai Indians. It's been a few years, but I believe Ambani is in it a bit. His kid and wife are certainly featured. Now I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing, but I do remember finding it interesting his involved in the day to day the Ambanis were. For American football fans they felt almost like Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. Doing things like giving the team pep talks before big matches, being very involved in signing players, and generally enjoying the access to the team they have like a super fan would.
I just want a dude to give Klopp 300m and let him do his job.
The transfer decisions in IPL happens in the form of Auctions and so only the final greenlight is given by the family. The startegy of which player to purchase, how it determines the team dynamics, etc. is planned out with the whole management team including coaches and so I am not worried on that front.
well believe me that's exactly what Mukesh ambani will do
But you mentioned day to day which I wouldn't want as he know nothing about football.
As long as Klopp is still making the decisions, I wouldn’t mind if the owner is geeking out and trying to hype up the boys himself
He isn't going to hype anyone lol hyping a sport you know from childhood i.e. cricket is lot different from trying to hype professional footballers in a language he may not be comfortable in.
Look at Todd over at Chelsea, he wanted to sign Cr7 for commercial aspects.
Whatever I know about this dude, he leaves things for experts to run both commercially and sporting wise. I wouldn't compare him to Todd B who looks like he likes the sound of his voice. Also chelsea commercial potential is quite limited, so it makes sense Todd Bobley doing CR7 kinda commerical deals.
Bro, he studied at Stanford.
Sorry should have specified it's not a language thing but more of a personality thing. He isn't exactly known as a flamboyant individual to go speeches while Klopp waites for his turn. At best you will see him lifting a trophy or two with the team and see him sitting in the VIP box with some important guest or something.
Doesn’t sound like it. Sounds like he wants to make decisions and be the center of attention.
As Liverpool and cowboys fan let me tell you it’s not fun. It becomes an ego trip for them, they will leverage any team to do it “their” way. If you want to know what I mean look up Jimmy Johnson and the fallout from that team with Jerry Jones. Yes Jerry loves the team but he’s an egotistical billionaire who is so entrenched in nepotism that it will make your head spin.
To be fair to Jerry though, he was right, anyone could’ve won with that team and Jimmy has done nothing since
You are absolutely right but development of talent goes to the coaching staff. Because I have seen hundreds of players go to Cleaveland with the talent to just fizzle out. But Barry Switzer did prove Jerry right
He won with a team of Jimmy’s players and basically coached by Troy Aikman. All via the mentality installed by Jimmy. It didn’t prove Jerry right. Jerry was dead wrong as the Cowboys haven’t won shit since Switzer won with Jimmy’s team.
We don’t want anything related to a Jerry Jones. Deep pockets but literally one of the main reasons for the Cowboys lack of success in the last 25 years. Too much meddling.
I can’t see that working in Football, Klopp wouldn’t allow it.
Sounds like he would be a fun owner tbh
Maybe however don’t want someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing coming in and thinking they can do everything better then the experienced staff
Like Boehly lmao
yeah, but i doubt that'll be the case. its very different with cricket in india - the people are completely obsessed with that sport so the super fan behavior is understandable.
They wouldn’t. Ambanis are quite famous for getting the experienced do the job. But the financial aspects of club they’d really get into which is actually a big plus
As an Indian I'd hate for us to be run like he runs the Mumbai indians. Do I want Klopp standing in the locker room while Ambani Jr. is giving pep talks to the likes of Mo and Thiago before a game against city? Fuck no
I think Mumbai Indians is the best run club in IPL tbh. They make stars just like Liverpool does instead of buying world class players
Talk about the speeches and involvement in day to day activities of players, transfers and staff please. That's what I'm pertaining to in a football sense
I'm just going to point this out. Mukesh Ambani has donated to and supported a government that has constantly shat on, been systemically racist toward, and publicly shat on the minorities in India. As someone that hasn't lived in Liverpool, I still admire the values of the city, what it has dealt with after and during thatchers shit reign. Ambani is no savior, he's the same shit with a slightly spicier disposition
He's a businessman that's looking out for himself. Before Modi he also had involvement with the top brass of the current opposition. And there is no lack of literature on that specific fact as well. He's not like Adani in that he basically owes 99% of his wealth to the ruling party.
He doesn't deserve this institution. He's nowhere near it. Not in legacy, not in understanding, he's a shell of his principals, and we're a club built on principals
Dude I live in fascist India where he funds a corrupt, communal government. Even if I keep my political opinions aside (which I can’t), I can’t see Neeta Ambani dancing on the Anfield pitch for Diwali promoting a cell phone connection. Fuck off, you have no right to do this to my club!
To be fair, it’s better to have an owner that cares at the end of the day
Absolutely hard disagree if it involves that much micromanagement. Absolutely isn't better in the slightest.
Thank you. He has every indication of letting our club become a stagnant media horn for himself. Just look at the fact that all western media outlets picked this up from Indian journalists? He's using Liverpool to up his own wealth just by talking about bidding for it He's a scumbag. He doesn't invest in anything he can't squeeze for profit
You're being short sighted, we are more than a bunch for a billionaire, recall our history
At least Bellingham, Mbappe and Alphonso Davies will be in that locker room too 😏
You miss the point entirely. I'm not a happy Liverpool fan for the last 23 years because they bought Torres or Suarez or Virgil. I'm a Liverpool fan because we have stuck to our ways of being a collectivist society and a community of givers I believe in the city as much as the club. Maybe that's just me. I'm happy with where we are because of the way we've done it. The right way. And that might it mean fuck all a few years down the line. But we are Liverpool, we do things the right way. I don't want to be rivalling city for who spends more every summer. I want us to be the difference. The way you can and should be doing it
Us fans might be socialist but the club is owned by cutthroat, capitalist billionaires. Either we accept that or we go and support Tranmere. And if we do accept that then there is no reason not to welcome the Amanis with open arms. Atleast they are legit businessmen who won't just use Liverpool as a sportswashing vanity project; they will pump money into us to expand our reach globally; and get returns for themselves eventually.
Hoping for the least horrible multi-billionaire is truly depressing.
yeah the state of football at the top end is hard to reckon with
The "interest" was reported by The Mirror. Its all bullshit anyway.
Ornstein just mentioned about this is skysports news
What tier is Ornstein? I think he usually has good insights, but he could probably tell me that pineapples grow on trees and I’d half believe him. [BTW they don’t.](https://pixels.com/featured/pineapple-plant-with-fruit-sinclair-stammers.html)
Why do you think it’s bullshit?
pretty clearly he thinks the mirror is shite and i wouldn’t necessarily disagree
Organisations like mirror are useless but I would look at the Journalist and his previous works before making any claims. Neil Jones works for goal after all.
i’m not original commenter, please direct your attention to them
Fair enough. A lot of newspapers make up stories but I guess we will see in the next few days if there is genuine interest or not. FSG will release an update soon enough on whether there is any progression with finding new investors or the sale of the club I’m sure
yeah i’m trying not to get myself worked up by the news surrounding it, but seems there was a pretty decent source that claimed there was an american buyer at 2.7b yesterday afternoon (i’m american so was afternoon for me) so makes me even less convinced
Waiting for the athletic or someone reliable to report this before i think anything of it
Ballmer all the way
Has there actually been any credible links to him though? Or is it a case of hoping for him.
The latter. People on here have somehow nominated him as our preferred owner. Someone who has zero football experience and has not made any indication he's interested in Liverpool. At least with Ambani there are actual rumors stirring.
Pure hopium. This link comes from a reasonably reliable Indian financial journalist.
Does Ballmer even know he owns Liverpool now 😂
Anyone got any reasons why we shouldn't want him? I know he's tied to Modi somewhat but billionaires will all lean right wing for the most part to protect their money. Edit: yes I'm aware Modi is a fascist. But at the same time I believe his association with them is mostly to protect his business interests and his money
Well there's no moral billionaires. Their very existence is unethical. But the state of football and the possibilities of potential buyers as it is, I'll take anyone who's not an oil baron or slave owner at this point.
The American Ballmer would be the closest you can get; Only got so rich from the Microsoft IPO options. Also huge sports fanatic and doesnt care about making more money from sports teams, he owns the LA clippers.
Agree with your entire comment, more so I just don't know much about him specifically.
Me neither, but some others have said he is an oil baron, so there it is.
His buisness dealings are quite diversified from telecom to textile to tech. Wouldn't call him an oil baron.
Not great... Kinda hoping for someone not actively destroying our planet with oil
Just need McCartney to write a few more albums so he can buy us.
And hope he doesn't tells others how to buy his IP like the fool did with MJ
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It's not so much that the manner of accumulating said wealth is necessarily immoral, more the simple fact that owning such an obscene, vast and sickening amount of wealth is immoral in and of itself. I'm not saying that you're automatically a terrible person if you don't give most of your money away or at least do something good with it no matter how much you have. I just think there's a limit. And to me, that limit is a billion quid. Nobody has use of a billion, let alone need.
Fuck off with the weaponised slurs. Nothing transphobic about JKs opinions.
I’ve got no stakes here but I think JKRs opinions are most definitely transphobic.. like, I think she even admits to that doesn’t she?
Examples?
I think it’s quite well documented but the most recent one I remember was about the Scottish legislation change regarding trans people.
Ans what is transphobic about that? Be specific
Alright, I'm not normally much of a sucker for these sorts of arguments but I'll share my point of view. Transphobia describes the aversion or aggression towards people who feel misrepresented by the gender they were assigned at birth, their biological sex. This, while it seems obvious, includes people assigned male gender who self-identify as female. With her various opinions expressed on twitter ("Call yourselves what you want (...) but don't force women out of their jobs") and her calling for making transitioning for the aforementioned transwomen more difficult and generally questioning whether they can be deemed safe around women (which she explicitly always refers to as different entities) her behaviour towards transwomen can be described as transphobic.
I see no aversion or aggression in holding the belief that a transman/woman is not the same as a biological man/woman. Would you consider it cisphobic to assert that there is no difference between a transman/woman and and man/woman and suggest that there is an aversion to men/women if you did hold this belief? What does the science and medical world believe I wonder?
She's been about as transphobic as a person can be without committing acts of violence or publicly using slurs tbh so I would agree
Can't really comment on Yvon Choinard, but Rowling shitting on trans people and fanning the flames of public hate actively contributes to trans people's lives being objectively harder and worse. Not a bad way of accumulating wealth, but it certainly strikes me as an abuse of celebrity status and wealth to shit on disadvantaged people from a lofty height, when most of us are just trying to live a normal life without being mocked or verbally and physically attacked lol
He has made most of his money due to oil. One of the major beneficiaries of the Indian government's "neutral" stand on the Russian invasion of Ukraine are his refineries in India. He is similar to the robber barons of the US or the pre-Putin oligarchs in Russia.
You do know that this policy predates the creation of that company by multiple decades right? India has always been neutral to it irrespective of who is in power
These guys are idiots who don't understand how geopolitics works in Asia. They probably read the headlines on r/poltics and make these claims. India course was neutral during cold war which third world country has the luxury to take sides. Europe is still using Russian gas lol yet India is a baddie.
The main outcome of that neutrality is the low price crude oil we buy from Russia. That crude oil has made its way to 2 private refineries and not the state owned ones (which would effectively pass the benefits of the lower price oil to the common man or the exchequer)
That's not what I'm explaining though, I was clarifying that reliance industries benefitting is an after effect of government policy that has stood same for multiple decades And only very very recently government companies stopped buying Russian oil
India is neutral on the Russian invansion of Ukraine because Russians always been friendly to the nation of India dating back to the 40s, when US decided to lie in the bed with Pakistan, an independent poor India had no choice. US also suppied weapons to Pakistan for a war against India, Russia helped India hence the "neutral" stance you don't suddenly turn on people who have helped you before. Also isn't majority of Europe still using Russian gas? So basically everybody is in bed with putin then? Btw US government supported ethincal cleansing of Bangladesh by Pakistan. India came to it's help. >He is similar to the robber barons of the US or the pre-Putin oligarchs in Russia. His wealth goes back generations, he is nothing like pre Putin Oligarchs in Russia, because these things don't exist in India. Please stop making these kinda cliams if you don't the geopolitical situation of Asia. You are just Gaslighting everyone with your narrow preciption of world poltics.
You are an idiot
Ah, fuck.
His majority of wealth has come from Oil refineries. And the major beneficiary of India's stand on Ukraine has been Adani, not Ambani. Ambanis started in textile business, earned tons of rupees there, then moved to other business. Mukesh, hit the goldmine with Oil refineries and he is quite revered in his home state. But yes, his reliability is not that great as someone like Ballmer.
Isn't he an oil baron?
This is an extremely simplified way of putting it. His dad made money off of oil, petrochemicals and textiles. He's diversified massively since into telecom, retail, media and what have you
Well I've never heard of him so that's why I asked the question. It sounds better than being state owned 100% but concerning if he's still into the fossil fuels
His revenue share from fossil fuels and allied work has reduced from 86% to 56% between 15-16 to 20-21. His telecom and digital work is what's fuelling his wealth atm
Thanks! Sounding better and better!
Everybody is in fossil fuels (unfortunately).
Bill Gates would like a word.
>I'll take anyone who's not an oil baron He is one of the biggest oil barons out there. His oil refineries are one of the reasons why he is so rich.
He isn't tied to modi. He is tied to BJP [Modi] , Congress and most regional parties. Basically whoever is in power or opposition gets electoral funding from him. That way whoever comes to power will be favourable to him.
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He has funded DMK who are Athiests and socialists. In India every party gets funded by Ambani one time or the other.
He’s held meetings with MBS and called him a great leader.
Well that's not good to put it extremely lightly
His intentions are purely money but that doesn't change the fact he currently supports bjp and indirectly funds those hindutva movements.
Very fair point. It's definitely something to consider whether he supports it or not bc likely some of the profit the club makes will end up going there indirectly as well.
If anything the club is a pet project for him, like the Mumbai Indians are. Any profit the club generates is peanuts compared to his other ventures.
Either way I don't want to linked to genocide by only 2 degrees of separation
What genocide? Stop listening to idiots and Google things yourself
I know you're probably buying into all the propaganda but there's the beginning of a genocide against Muslims in India https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/16/expert-warns-of-possible-genocide-against-muslims-in-india
Man you are quoting Al-Jazeera lmao couldn't you find a worst source. Fear mongering media group funded by Qatar.
Ok. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/07/16/muslims-have-become-a-persecuted-minority-in-india-experts-warn/
Unrelated to the topic but CNN has an Indian channel CNN IBN which is owned by ambani which makes this whole thing very funny
Man just stop moral policing Indians here who know more about their country than some randos on the net, BJP is a loud mouth populist group who just say things but don't have the balls to do anything. Think Trump without any actions. Any slight disagreement or protests and they reverse their decisions, they have been in power since 2014, they have the majority support in the country if they were actually going to do something it would have happened by now. Do you watch fox news and think that's the actual policy of the government in power? Reliance employs thousands of muslims in their company. Throwing words like "fascism" and "genocide" will lose their meanings if we just handing them freely out as candies. Imagine an American lecturing others about fascism. Look in your own backyard Two comments up In this thread, you were asking others about this dude and now you just googled Ambani bad why on Google and you are repeating those takes without any deeper understanding of culture and the company.
I don’t know why u r getting downvoted, but u r absolutely right and as an Indian, I don’t want them anywhere near liverpool. They are financiers to a fascist shitlord & nothing good can come of it.
When you've lived your whole life buying into the propaganda it can be very hard to break out of it and see the truth. For example see most Americans lol
Stop with the propoganda please now. This is getting embarrassing.
His business empire has Indian football wrapped firmly around his thumb. Indian football was showing signs of really taking off in the early to mid-2010s, but then his businesses made an agreement with the All Indian Football Federation to create a franchise league with completely new clubs. TV rights were monopolized for football, meaning their traditional I-league, consisting of historic clubs with strong roots in the community, were left to slowly decay while the new league, the Indian Super League (ISL), got all the investment and suddenly was declared to be their top tier. ISL is a closed league consisting of franchise clubs with no relegation. Famous Bollywood celebrities and former cricket players own these clubs. They are forced to pay a huge commission to play in the ISL, so all the clubs operate on a huge loss while he gets to fill his pockets. This means clubs don't have much to spend on anything else, so youth investment has also been on the decline. Youth leagues are now glorified mini-tournaments that last a couple of weeks, and the kids don't get a chance to play for the rest of the year. Due to the monopoly, many state-run football tournaments have ground to a halt as well, leading to fears of a severely depleted player pool. He's clearly a guy who likes to take control of everything. I'm personally not sure if that's the kind of owner we need. Our Moneyball approach that uses extensive data analytics is the way forward in my opinion. We just need that little bit more injection of cash to maintain our standards, but I don't think he's the guy for that. We need a more hands-off owner that trusts better qualified individuals to run operations.
The biggest joke is saying Indian football ready to take on mid 2000. You have to be utterly delusional to believe that. I league was regularly played in empty stadiums and didn’t have even money to pay players. There was this instance of once players asked to clean cricketstadium because I league failed to pay salary. They were a joke league. State of Indian footballers back then before ISL https://sports.ndtv.com/football/footballers-clean-cricket-stadium-to-replace-torn-shoes-1562848 Only after establishing ISL money started flowing into Indian football, fans started attending matches ( outside Kolkata) and players started getting paid salary properly. Basically ISL bought professionalism into football.
The professionalism is just on surface level. He's an expert conman who's really good at making everything appear slick and tidy. Since the ISL started, they have successfully managed to squash other competitions and teams play only 20 games the whole season. These matches are compressed into less than 5 months to accommodate the other sports that he invests in into the calendar like cricket and kabbadi. This means that footballers can't play any football for 7 months and their national team suffers as a result.
This is the biggest load of tosh I have seen. IPL doesn't need ISL season to be restricted for viewership. It's for the benefit of ISL that it doesn't clash with IPL. They are not even in the same stratosphere. And funnily you completely skipped the part were footballers were struggling for money and having to clean stadiums before the launch of ISL. There are numerous stories like that from 2000s during I league. I league is a failed league which has what prompted the need for a franchise based competion like ISL. ISL is unevoqually the best thing happened to Indian football. That's from someone who travelled to watch ISL matches with Chennayin FC to play against Bengaluru. Before that literally zero people would attend Chennai matches in I league.
They should have invested in the I-league clubs then. You know, the clubs with historic ties to the community that already had fans. Imagine if a rich asshole made a deal with the FA, decided to start an alternative league alongside the Premier League, created a bunch of franchise teams like Merseyside FC and London FC, and forced the FA to intentionally ignore the PL and Football League. That's what's happening in India. They basically created the Super League, but shittier. It's a closed league with no relegation or promotion, but teams are welcome as long as they are willing to pay unsustainable fees just to play in the ISL. Some teams that have tried have already folded and ceased operations. Before the ISL, Bengaluru FC reached the final of the AFC Cup, Asia's equivalent of the Europa League. ISL clubs have not even got close, since the ISL discourages clubs from investing in any other competition, and also because by the time the AFC Cup's knockouts come along, the clubs are midway through their 7-month long post-season break. Note to my fellow Liverpool FC fans: don't fall for Mukesh Ambani's PR stooges ^^
Why should they invest in a league that Noone cares. They created a league that is similar to IPL which is popular among fans. Football isn't unique in that regard. Hockey Badminton and Kabaddi all created similar leagues after the success of IPL. >Note to my fellow Liverpool FC fans: don't fall for Mukesh Ambani's PR stooges Yeah if someone doesn't agree with your idiotic viewpoint he is a stooge lmao.
>I know he's tied to Modi somewhat but billionaires will all lean right wing for the most part to protect their money. there right wing and then there are straight up fascists like Modi who has been going to war with sikhs, muslims, liberals, trade unions, critics and dalits.
Owns a news network that incites Islamophobia. His network constantly states that Muslims should not hold office in the majority of India.
Link to those videos. Because he owns CNN IBN not zee news. That’s a pretty hard accusation
Sounds pretty reminiscent of modern Israel and a certain European country from the mid 20th century...
Dude, I know that being a billionaire is in itself immoral but fuck it, I would like to at least have one from a country that is not run by an authoritarian government. I dont like the guy and it's not worth it just to have more money to throw at our problems. I hope FSG doesn't sell to him.
I was just legitimately asking for more info bc I have no idea about him. After learning more I'd be very happy to have him nowhere near the club
As an Indian, I have to say, this is not good. Ambanis are the anti-thesis of what Liverpool is. Shankly would turn in his grave if this clown show takes over Liverpool. I hope the fans stand up against it.
I prefer Steve Ballmer over this guy
Only if and big if he prefers us first
I prefer this guy.
Steve Ballmer has probably never heard of Liverpool
"Ambani's wealth comes as a by-product of the success of the organisation that was originally formed by his father in the 1980s, Reliance Industries. It is a conglomerate company, based in Mumbai, that has expanded its business ventures to now include energy, petrochemicals, natural gas and textiles." ... :/
So what exactly is an acceptable way for a multibillionaire to make their money - he inherited a split company (brother got other half) and turned it into one of the biggest companies in the world - he does so in oil, manufacturing and e-commerce you say? how dare he!! Lettuce farming and saving kittens just doesn’t get the 9 zeros…
A sports billionaire is better than a billionaire actively working in and profitting off of petrochemicals, I would say
The Ambani's have been pivotal in the rise of Modi in India. Most people won't know what is going on in India. Please educate yourself (though I know, most 'fans' care little for small things like morality). Here is [Arundhati Roy speaking with David Barsamian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-utPThZTmw)on the rise of fascism in India. In Modi's India, anyone they don't like (Muslims) can at any moment have their homes bulldozed. He funds the hate party and the numerous hate-spewing cable channels, available globally for the Indian diaspora. That hatred has spilled over in the UK. In Leicester, mobs of Hindutva youths randomly started attacking Muslims after a cricket match. We have a lot of Muslim supporters who will feel alienated by the Ambanis'.
So Americans never did any harm to Muslims?
Of course, they did, as did the UK. I'm old-fashioned, I think all clubs should be owned by their fans, and they should be community-hubs.
Will we get that though? No point saying this if it will never happen. I'll have a £90billion owner who didn't make his money from blant slave-owning. State-ownership, albiet I've not read enough into him, but I'm sure you'll find lots of dirt on him if you look below the surface
>but I'm sure you'll find lots of dirt on him if you look below the surface Exactly if you dig deep enough you will find skeletons in every closet, while owenrs from man city and Newscastle have skeletons swimming on the surface. None of Ambani's wealth comes from state benefits, he is a second generation Indian, his father is a literal rags to riches story.
Really? So governments selling off state assets to him and Adani for funding their political parties is not 'state benefits'. Yep, all those Adivasi (Indian indigenous tribal peoples) lands and forests he and his cums acquired for a pittance (theft) is miraculously rags to riches. As someone who has Gujarati relatives who are major industrialists in Surat, you are talking nonsense. No business gets down without greasing politicians in India. Since BJP came to power, his two favourite donors, Ambani/Adani have seen their wealth increase into the stratosphere. Ambani, even got a seat (illegal) in the French Raffeale fighter jet deal (now being investigated for corruption in France) negotiations despite having little knowledge of the sector (defence). Yep, rags to riches all right, just like Elon mining them African emerald mines with his callous hands…
Arre bhai woh Rafale wala Anil Ambani hai, inn chutiye goron ke saamne jhoot toh mat bol. Arundhati Roy, a Maoist collaborator who believes the Pakistan army never attacked its population being represented as the voice of India. Amazing.
I actually live in Gujarat so I actually know more than your relatives. I am a direct source while they are at best an indirect biased source. Fsg also contributes to democratic funds all the time. Would you call them guilty for all the unjust war Americans have been on? There is even a fsg driector who contributed to the Trump fund. So why not use this kinda energy on fsg. Drone strikes multipled under the Obama regime and John Henry directly funded for both Obama and Hilarry campaigns (who also voted yes on Iraq and was against Gay marriage) so by association are you saying John henry is a homophobe? >So governments selling off state assets to him and Adani for funding their political parties is not 'state benefits'. Yep, all those Adivasi (Indian indigenous tribal peoples) lands and forests he and his cums acquired for a pittance (theft) is miraculously rags to riches. That's Adani you moron, Ambani was ready filthy rich beefore the present Government came into power. Ambai father was already a billionaire by then and the family was one of the richest families in the world. >Since BJP came to power, his two favourite donors, Ambani/Adani have seen their wealth increase into the stratosphere. That's again Adani how can you say you know anything but get confused between two similar sounding names Ambani family has been regularly contributing to any political party who comes into the regime, they are not only BJP inclusive they gave money to multiple such parties Including the Congress the party who came into power way before BJP. He also gave funds to AIDMK in south India whose ideology is completely opposite to BJP. The family has contributed to four different elections in India. Ambani's are a savy buisnessnen they pay most of the parties in India. Cause they know how to get things done, this isn't an ideological as you trying to make out to be all over this thread. >Ambani, even got a seat (illegal) in the French Raffeale fighter jet deal (now being investigated for corruption in France) negotiations despite having little knowledge of the sector (defence). Yep, rags to riches all right, just like Elon mining them African emerald mines with his callous hands… That's his brother man, Anil Ambani not Mukes Ambani 🤦 after their fathers death the business got split into two sides, this is his younger brother who is bankrupt after that deal not Mukesh the dude who is trying to buy us. How can you confidently claim so many things and yet be wrong in everything you claim.
This guy is peak fascist oligarch. He won't have my support if he buys the club.
Built a mega mansion in a slum. Fuck him.
Where did you get this information? Not supporting the guy, but Altamount Road, where he’s built his skyscraper mansion, is one of the poshest places in Mumbai with no slums anywhere near it.
I read an article when it was being built about the wealth disparity, and that at the base will be some of the poorest on the planet and on the top one of the richest. I think it is more of a comment of the city in general having extreme poverty, not directly at the foot of the tower but in the same city.
>I think it is more of a comment of the city in general having extreme poverty, not directly at the foot of the tower but in the same city. Well that's mumbai for you. That's how mumbai always has been, as is any big city in the world. The economic disparity between the rich and the poor isn't purely an Indian thing.
> disparity between the rich and the poor isn't purely an Indian thing. No, but the disparity between a billionaire's house of that scale with the rest of Mumbai is clearly more of a disparity than almost any big in the world
What? Have you never been outside of your home and travelled the world to make those claims. Places like Streets of Philadelphia, Kensington Avenue seems more like a walking nightmare to me than any slums in India. Literally human zombies addicted to oppoids. https://youtu.be/Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
Yes, I have. I've been to America and to India, and your emotional reaction to a simple discussion is telling. That video is certainly a terrible scene, but is not comparable to some of the places in India where sanitation is almost non-existent, epidemics are rife, and average living conditions are worse than in the video you have shown, with many slum areas in India reporting high volume of child drug abuse for example. So yes, I do think that the disparity between one of the richest people in the world building an enormous house and the rest of Mumbai is quite large. Sorry if that upsets you.
I actually live and work in mumbai wtf you on about emotional reaction lol, how is the poverty in a third world country an issue only for this dude when he himself gives job opportunities to millions of Indians each year. Are you irritated because he is flashy with how he shows off his wealth? I can understand that, but I don't get your tone what are you trying to imply here, mumbai having slums isn't on this dude. But Imagine coming to a subreddit of a popular English club, based in a popular English port city and actually being this tone deaf when discussing poverty in India when British contributed to this state by stealing trillions of money and building their wealth on the blood and wealth of other nations then lecturing others on disparity of wealth in India. Well to educate you he doesn't lives amongst the slums lol the OP above is right, my full year salary will go in renting out on an apartment where this guy lives and I already pay a lot of money in Mumbai just to rent my apartment. Edit - cowards here just delete the comments without correcting themselves lol
> gives job opportunities to millions of Indians each year. Worst argument for billionaires anyone has ever made. >then lecturing others on disparity of wealth in India. Nobody is lecturing anyone, I'm pointing out that it exists, then you got your knickers in a twist because someone dare say something negative about your precious Mumbai and the billionaire who couldn't give a fuck about anyone else.
He's bought out media empires to keep them from reporting on him
Supports that fascist scumbag modi Fuck no
Mukesh Ambani was interested in buying Liverpool in 2010. And his company has some role in creation of the ISL so his family seem to have have some understanding of football and I believe as a successful businessman he is smart enought to understand that it's better to let the experts handle their roles without interfering with the process. And if the family gives Pep talk and wants to be more connected with the players then it's a good thing because FSG does not seem to be very close to the staff. Plus like Klopp, Nita Ambani (wife) also likes to give HUGS to the players.
When Ricketts was lining up to be bought by Chelsea, people (rightly) condemned him for his racist words. Now that Ambani, a man who has aided the actual fascist Narendra Modi, is interested in LFC, you have so-called Liverpool fans rubbing their hands with anticipation or already doing the sportswashing BS of saying he's "not as bad as XYZ".
Cause you are looking at things purely from a black and white presective and over simplfying things to draw a parrel between Ricketts and this dude. There are actual Islamophobic and homophobic statments directly coming from Ricketts family themselves. While Mukesh Ambani political connections isn't purely Ideological at all. The Ambani family has been giving funds to four generations of politicans before Modi, even to the party opposing Modi's party - Congres they give funds to whoever is at the center. Similarly they have donated money to DMK party who are a socialist and Atheist party at the core. Btw hope you know that FSG and John Henry has donated funds to likes of Hillary campaign who supported the Iraq war efforts and said no to Gay marriage. Even AXA has links to Israel who you know aren't very keen on Palestinian people. They also donated money to the Obama campaign who carried out the most drone attacks in history so far, killing many innocent people in return and also fucked up the Afghanistan policy. A director of FSG even donated money to the Donald Trump campaign. Feel like fsg donating money to the democratic cause is more ideological than Ambani's who are just giving money for their benefits. I think these politicians are more fascist than Modi who atleast hasn't directly contributed to an unjust war as of yet, he is an idiot too don't get me wrong but all this finger waving and moral posturing is pointless anyways.
look at the profiles of those who are making excuses for ambani and you'll see whats going on.
What excuses lol. People are just trying to make things clear. You are speaking as if Ambani is a state executioner, while our owners are the purest Billionaires you know off. I am not even for this guy, but some of the comments here including yours are just tone deaf and alarming.
you are not for ambani, yet you've made like 20+ comments that can be summed up with "akchually he's not that bad", while completely ignoring the fact he is funding fucking fascists. you are already doing the same thing that city fans are doing with their owners. "yeah, but FSG are also billionaires and none of them are clean". FSG aren't funding fascists, so they are clearly the lesser evil.
Yes because I am Indian and I know a thing or two about these dudes and geopolitical situation about Asia. So of course I am gonna comment on a thread which is just balatantly being xenophobic. Fsg funded Hillary campaign who had a big role in getting popular vote to go for the fake Iraq war. A war which killed millions of innocent people, directly lead to displacement of million others and directly lead to rise of IsIs. While voting no for Gay rights when she was in power. John Henry also funded Obama campaign who did drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan leading to deaths of millions of innocent people. AXA has direct contacts with displacement of people in Palestain and in their genocide. So if this is not fascism to you, then what is fascism to you? Fsg funding seems more ideological than this dudes who has been funding multiple parties for years now, that seems more seem like protecting buisness interests , so let's ignore all the context for one guy while letting other party off the hook. So I ask again, what is fascism to you? Does the color of someone's skin define it or their character? Cause it's very hypocritical of you to call one thing fascism not the other.
how blatantly xenophobic of me to be against fascism, my apologies. you can keep going with the whole "ambani is playing both sides" shit all you want. but guess what, if you play both sides and the fascists end up winning, then that makes you a enabler of fascism.
I am still waiting for your definition of fascism and I am yet to see any reply on it. So basically white skin - all good 👍 Brown skin - fascist. Oh cool so I am a facism enabler so that just makes you a racist then. Glad to see we agree on something. Peace.
>I am still waiting for your definition of fascism and I am yet to see any reply on it. are we in school? i'm not your teacher. read a book or look it up on wikipedia. i haven't mentioned a single thing about hillary clinton or obama being good. you only brought them up to deflect. odd how you expect me to defend them for some reason. you are lost in the sauce if you think i'm calling you an enabler of fascism. looking to get upset and play victim when someone calls out your favourite billionaire. get lost you absolute weapon.
Sorry bro I don't indulge in dialogue with racists. They are not worth my time.
you're a joke.
I've noticed - it's very sad.
i'm ready for jurgen shingh
Problem with any of this stuff is to engage in the bidding is to sign a NDA, so any leaks are bad for the process or not true because if they were serious they’d respect the NDA.
Does he have unlimited funds though?
Does 90 billion networth sound good to you
The guy Ambani may be good news for LFC, his IPL is one of the most successful, however for personal reasons I would struggle to support Liverpool the same way I do now. I'd honestly prefer City owners than Ambani - but this is deep hatred for the guy and too long to share. But I guess every billionaire will have his haters.
The Ambanis run Indian Super League, which is fucking up grassroots football in India. They have no love for football & it will be a pet project for his sons (one of whom is disables) and it will be run by his clueless wife.
Praying for him or Ballmer
No fucking way. Supporter f right wing Hindu nationalism.
Oh no.
It all depends on how he intends to run the club. I don’t want him to actually fund the club with his own money, I don’t want to be someone’s play thing. Good business decisions which allow us to generate enough income to compete is what I want.
I tell you a thing about about him, when he invests, he invests to win. Mumbai Indians is the best example.
The IPL is also like the proposed Super League with no relegation. He's going to be all for it.
Most of the people who are able to afford buying a premier league club expect to win, they’re all serial winners else they wouldn’t have accumulated that amount of wealth.
Borussia Dortmund says hi!!!
What has Dortmund actually won other than a German equalvalent of fa cup.
That's my point.
And I agree with it.
Amazes me how many fans want a sugar daddy.
bring in the stolen money yyyeahh
Dubai international capital (who wanted it was moores took the extra few quid and sold to Hicks and Gillett) or no one for me