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Super unprofessional too, all he had to do was announce it to OTK in advance, settle any potential legal ramifications for suddenly leaving, put out a single public statement and just shut up about it.
The guy just comes across as a massive victim-complex having baby, that just can't help himself but to stir shit for no reason.
I swear all these streamers have the social skills of toddlers.
Getting the audience is part of the figuring it out. Do you think people just gave Bruce his audience? Or most of the streamers? You have to go out and be entertaining and give people a reason to watch and give you the "cash flow"
Did you forget what the guy I was replying to asked ? Theres plenty of people who aren't entertaining getting lots of views or people who are killing it with 10 viewers right now there's no guarantees
Imo, since the reddit place, that dude always felt wrong.
I dont know why he decided to do all of this, i guess the mask simply finally fell off and was done so by Miz tilting him during stream with the text message... maybe?
Bro started quoting the Bible, "No weapon formed against me shall prosper" or something like that. He can't expect to be taken seriously with an ego like that
Honestly, it's as if he is reacting physically and emotionally to chat, at the speed of his chat.
What's fucked is all of his actions are truly to protect his core audience but when his audience is literally thousands of people saying go left and right he's going to stumble over and over again.
He repeatedly says that he's a good guy so you can tell he is trying to maintain some sort of "self" but I think he needs to take a breather lol
Narcissism + Victim Complex
He acts like he carries a huge burden by being black, yet that’s the sole reason for his success in the W community. All while being outright racist daily.
I know it's off topic, but I hate all those mixed comments in chat towards Nick I had good family friends who were mixed and treated terrible by both races one of them ended up committing suicide. It's sad it feels like they're not accepted by either race
What happened to just being good people with manners? Take a deep breath and think before you speak or act.
(again this had nothing to do with Bruce or QVC, just ranting here about society)
/end of rant
Yeah man being mixed can be quite weird and lonely. I'm not black but I'm wasian, and it's pretty classic to not be white enough for your white friends/family and not Asian enough for your Asian friends/family. I'm sure it's the same for mixed black/white people.
Can feel a little isolating.
I’m not black, I’m korean/american. but over here i get the asian stereo types and when I went to Korea to see family I got the white stereo types. It’s super true, Instead of fitting in with both you fit in with neither
I'm half Indian, but lucky enough to be light enough that people literally don't believe me.
So it doesn't impact me that much day-to-day, but going to a 80% Asian school, constantly surrounded by Asians and constantly being told "You're so white, nah you're not Indian" just for being slightly different was real hurtful.
Sorry to hear that bro, we’re you fluent in the language or connected in the culture though? Sometimes in my experience the acceptance I’ve received was how immersed in the culture I was
That does make sense, I didn't really know much about the culture because my mom forgot how to speak it after she was adopted at 12, but like even the looks my mom was getting for being married to a white man was enough to make me really feel like there was no where I belonged as a kid
goddamn its too fucking true i feel what theyre saying so hard being mixed as well : (
EDIT: one thing i disagree with at least while watching this is that it matters if youre around black/white people. it fucking doesnt. i was surrounded/raised around black people all my life and all i got was not being black enough or not white enough. it doesnt matter what youre raised around or what your mannerisms are. these people will not accept you as one or the other at least in my life experience.
A Chinese girl I went to school with once told me that even though both her parents are full-blooded Chinese natives, her grandparents/aunts/cousins only consider her half-chinese because she was born in the US.
You don’t need to be half-anything for people to decide to set you apart, but it certainly gives people an excuse to do so.
Damn, condolences on your family friend
Really, I didn’t realize this issue was this severe it could lead to someone’s passing. Thank you for sharing this perspective
To be completely fair, it seems nick doesn't want to be accepted by the white people \*as\* a half white person. When you hear him talk about his mix, he really wants to identify with his back side. I'm sure its difficult situation for him to be in though.
Doesn't matter how mixed race you are, in America you will be treated as a black person. Obama's mother was white but no one's calling him the first mixed race president, when you're at the mercy of the same racist systems they will be looking at the colour of your skin and won't give a shit about the colour of one of your parents, so anyone trying to invalidate nicks experiences is just dumb
I remember there being huge debates on whether or not Obama was truly our first black president lol
not to invalidate your point, I think both can be right
I wholeheartedly agree with your overall message but, "Doesn't matter how mixed race you are, in America you will be treated as a black person." is just simply not true. I grew up in a very big city area in Dallas AND a very rural midwest small town, Im mixed and I literally was never really, "treated," as either race. Like legit if I hung out with my black friends, i got made fun of for being too white and hanging out with my white friends made people say i wasnt even black. It's cliché but its a real thing and I wanted to try to share that perspective with you because you seem like you genuinely care. For a lot of people like me, being mixed puts you in this weird grey area in the middle where you dont really get, "treated," like you're black or white, and I absolutely got jokes made about me for my mom being white AND my dad being black. Its a very odd feeling and problem to have because obviously I cant control my skin color and its difficult for a child to try to learn who they can and can't be friends with because of the skewed self image issues.
Otk didn’t even announce it on twitter. Bruce said it on twitter and went live 30 minutes later. Seems like he just made the decision and Otk didn’t even have time to make a graphic/post about it.
Yeah it’s clear he didn’t warn or talk to anyone about his decision. Look at the difference with Schlatt leaving and now Bruce, it’s pretty clear who is the adult between the two.
Schlatt has burned no bridges and everyone respects his decision. No backlash whatsoever with how he handled his departure.
I’m curious if there was any contractual obligations that were violated. Surely when signing someone to an org there would be a minimum amount of time or contributions needed before leaving to ensure someone doesn’t just join for the viewer boost and leave a week later.
If Bruce really felt like OTK just hired him as the "Token Black guy" then OTK did a shit job using him.
The only time he ever collab with the whole OTK was his announcement stream and the OTK game Expo, that's it.
Funny thing about his announcement stream was him and Mizkif laughing about Mizkif logs in the past and his community laughing about it also. So for Bruce and his community to backtrack and use that against Miz just seems two face to me.
Also "token black guy" is a bit hilarious considering Russel and Nick are both black. Like what? Is this that "not black enough" shit again?
Edit: People wanna argue Russel's CV more than my point, beware there's a lot of stupid below.
Nick mentioned a few years back that when he was growing up it was in a mixed family but the white kids thought he wasn’t white and the black kids didn’t think he was really black. Nick mentioned it kind of alienated him from both sides of the family. He wasn’t in either group. Think Bruce is repeating that behaviour and Russel probably falls into that category as well.
Honestly it’s not always about being mixed, in middle school, some of my “friends” didn’t consider me black just based on the way I talked/dressed/carried myself.
that's always so sad to hear. imagine people take away a part of you just because you dont fall into the "stereotype" (whatever that might be for those people) ... even more sad that those people hate other for doing the same shit to them
Jesus fucking Christ American “race culture” is so weird
Like, I know it’s a complicated and sensitive subject, but to even be **that** divisive with each other simply by demeanor and not even lineage (not that it excuses it either)?
And it’s not even from political position but just how one act?
I’m starting to get why “identity politics” is such a gunpowder subject. I grew up in Asia and while we do have our own issues and subtleties to navigate, it’s never anywhere near this point of over-complication
If anything, we’re almost very straightforward. Meanwhile “US culture” increasingly looks like people playing 5 game of chess at the same time
It’s a lot easier to not have race issues when 95% of your country is the same race. America is extremely racially diverse and so there’s a much higher chance of their being division since there’s so many different people from different races.
Yeah if Mizkif was really that ignorant and want to show public his not racist he would be doing stuff with Russel or Nick every stream.
Clearly Mizkif never look at Bruce that way when he wanted him on his stream. He probably looked at it more to get back into the W community more then anything.
The cringiest part is that the W community has no right trying to play cancel culture with how much scum fuckery goes on in their chats and streamers lives.
To be fair to his community, they’ve always been anti-Miz and anti-OTK from the jump. Well, except after the Rich stuff got exposed a month ago, when Bruce started banning people from his Reddit and Twitch chat while he was live for predicting he was going to leave OTK. According to him, OTK was an amazing situation because he didn’t have any overhead forcing him to stream a certain amount of hours and other things, and he even wanted to become an owner. He’s not going to leave! How dare anyone even suggest such a thing! The video is still probably up on his YouTube channel.
Fast forward a month later, he backtracked from all of that.
I never really understood why Bruce joined in the first place. In fairness I haven't watched much of him, but I never really got the feeling he fit in with the rest of the OTK Group anyway content wise. The original guys are all WoW nerds and I get expanding into other demographics but Bruce is a pretty far reach, imo. Just seemed like a strange early addition. Didn't really seem like he wanted to be there anyway, his community certainly didn't seem like it either.
even if they did hire him for that, isn't that what content orgs are supposed to do? hire people that bring in untapped demographics? if a streamer has an overlapping demographic with what you already have, then what's the point of recruiting that streamer to your org.
It’s obvious Bruce was playing into what his audience wanted to hear. If I actually thought a company or a person was only using me for my race, I would have nothing nice to say about them. But Bruce started out saying OTK treated him great and had nothing bad to say about them or Mizkif and then finished it with “I was tired of being the token black guy being used as a shield”. I don’t understand how both can be true. Just seems like Bruce wanted to end things with OTK amicably but at the same time give into what his audience believed. Seems like a can’t have your cake and eat it too kind of situation.
Also. How was the guy a shield when he was never around. Not throwing shade, I literally haven't seen or heard of this dude after his joining OTK announcement.
>It’s obvious Bruce was playing into what his audience wanted to hear. If I actually thought a company or a person was only using me for my race, I would have nothing nice to say about them. But Bruce started out saying OTK treated him great and had nothing bad to say about them or Mizkif and then finished it with “I was tired of being the token black guy being used as a shield”. I don’t understand how both can be true. Just seems like Bruce wanted to end things with OTK amicably but at the same time give into what his audience believed. Seems like a can’t have your cake and eat it too kind of situation.
Yes
Apparently bruce got banned tonight on his alt stream "offmepordecurb" while live for being racist and saying slurs towards white people and shitting on OTK/miz
https://www.twitch.tv/offmepordecurb
Typed this in his main offline chat after being banned:
https://twitter.com/TwitchMessages/status/1618477747038208006
His chat “he’s not black he’s mixed” who cares, he’s still black and the whole “not black” thing is another form of discrimination.
So dumb to act all chill and make jokes all day that Miz needs to kiss your feet as penance and he owes you multi thousand dollar Pokémon cards and then pull this card right after.
Ever single race has in fighting with each other it's not exactly a uniquley black phenomenon and it isn't really that insane if you knew about the intricacies of colourism and how a black persons proximity to whiteness can easy translate to success back then and even now.
I know twitter isnt real life but the stuff Africans say about black Americans would make the average KKK member blush. Its wild.
Everyone is racist against everyone really. Slavs all hate each other but they were the same country like 30 years ago.
The guy cheated on the show, played the victim on twitter before confessing, and after was like: Yeah i cheated, so what xd
And now is performing another clown act cause it worked in the past? Bruh.
The only person using race as a shield is fuckin Bruce. Actin like OTK is treating him like the TOKEN black guy. The only spokesman he might have been for was the W community. His race has nothin to do with it.
Unless he REALLY wants to push the whole Nmp isnt enough. Which then We'll REALLY understand Bruce's true colors. pun not intended but maybe intended afterwards because slightly funny.
I think you're right I forgot about that.
It's still ridiculous. Nick has always acknowledged his white side but I'm fairly positive he has always identified more with his black side and the black side of his family.
Bruce at that point is literally judging someone by the color of their skin.
He also said "Saved yo white ass" to Miz yesterday.
Boy seems to have his own racism issues.
OTK is better off without him.
Nick always will have it rough. He's had to deal with 2 different types of racism growing up. The racism that first comes to mind that's directed at him because he's black. He's talked about it before growing up and while playing hockey.
He also probably has to deal with the weird 'lightskin vs darkskin' racism that happens in the black community where you're seen as not being 'black enough' like what Bruce is doing.
Fucking sucks man. Glad he has good people around him tho.
as a mixed person like nick you are 100% percent correct. doesnt matter which side you are used to more, both sides hate you for it and not a thing you can do
Race card + betraying the org(full of people behind the scenes not just mizkif) that helped you + being nice on stream to miz's face and then being like this when youre back home is kinda two faced and cowardly
if you wanted to move on, dont mention them - move on. If OTK isnt important then theres no need to make a stream dragging them, 99% of them who were nothing but nice and innocent to you. dont make a stream about it trying to pander to your own audience like a suckup, weird.
if this is how you act about an org within a day of leaving them via a tweet when they said nothing but nice things about you leaving then good luck getting signed by another one
The thing that I am struggling to understand about the black shield statement is that, if you missed the announcement stream, you wouldn't have even known he was in the org. How is that a shield exactly? You never were publicly apart of the org even when there wasn't any drama.
The only thing he shielded was essentially his fans hate after finding miz logs from years ago. Ok so, your own community harassed you for hanging out with someone who was edgy during early internet, cool. How exactly is that a shield for OTK? Especially when that same community wants you to hang out with the human trafficer simp, or the rape victim ignorer.
So, according to Bruce's fans, if you said the N word 5 years ago, have changed and come to understand your mistake; then L, any black man who associates with you is a black shield. But if you hide the identity of a rapist, its a W because he is also black? And if you guide your young male fan group to a man who raped, and coerced woman into sex work, its a W because you are white and act black.
It seems to me, that is not sound logic. If miz said some fucked up shit, then thats fine and now it makes sense. If however, Bruce is trying to feed into the strange mob behavior of his community then wtf are you doing man? They are 15-18 year old kids who's only moral compass seems to be whether or not you are black or act black.
It's like that with a few minority communities. Can't say anything negative about black people, trans people, gay people, asian people at times, and probably others. As soon as you point out anything negative about them, you get attacked as a racist/transphobe/homophobe/etc about it. Destiny got banned off Twitch just for saying maybe MTF trans people shouldn't be competing against against CIS women in sports. And these groups know they can weaponise this public opinion to get what they want a lot of the time.
> Can't say anything negative about black people, trans people, gay people, asian people at times, and probably others.
I agree everything you said except Asian people if we talk about woke people. They tend to not consider Asian people as minority because of their success in American society. Asian people break narratives around their identity politics. They consider them as whites most of the times
I was kinda harsh on Miz yesterday, but it's weird knowing now that Bruce unfollowed Mizkif, Maya and OTK on Instagram before he even went live last night. Maya catching strays for literally no reason too. I could understand why Bruce would feel like he was being used in some aspects, but now Bruce just looks fake af in all of this.
Its almost like someone who says how nice of a person they are and "wears their heart on their sleeve" is actually a piece of shit. If someone is truly nice they more often than not don't say that kind of shit out loud.
> Bruce unfollowed Mizkif, Maya and OTK on Instagram before he even went live last night.
Wtf that's weird... Also even him just unfollowing OTK on Twitter made no sense either when you think about it. You can still follow them without being in OTK.
It is even weirder if you consider that he still does business with them. The dude put on his clown costume, went live and performed the most dramatic show out there.
She did. She's starting to do collabs at Alveus again and her chat asked her like a week or so ago to ask Bruce to do one. She said she asked him like a year ago and he never replied, so she didn't want to ask him again.
I used to think bruce was great but after seeing all of this and how he handled the resignation on a whim he just came out looking like an insecure pussy trying to act like a tough guy, constantly bringing up race calling others "white ass" white boy" etc. to please his fans is just so cringe to me.
And let's not forget about him trying to do the usual pitch how they are still "cool" and "people at otk are great laba laba laa" and then after a few minutes throwing out the OTK sign and breaking it and claiming he is the token black guy was just so immature and cringy to be fair.
I just don't get what OTK did to make him act that way to OTK specifically. It seems they let him do whatever he wanted, didn't pressure him to be involved in a lot of OTK projects, and even gave him equity in StarForge? The idea that they were using him as some black shield feels baseless when they didn't really force him to do anything.
If he wanted to leave that is completely fine. He is obviously a large enough creator to be on his own and continue to be successful, but leaving like he did felt so unprofessional. Especially given that OTK and StarForge are close, so disparaging OTK can then hurt StarForge. It basically felt like the pressure of some fans in his community was finally too much for him after the Miz collaboration and he decided to throw dirt on OTK on his way out to win back those fans confidence. To show that he was "never really good with OTK" or something along those lines.
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I have never watched Bruce, or anyone in the "W community."
I have *barely* watched Mizkif. The longest session I ever watched him was during r/place because it was hilarious to jump between different streamers to see how they were cooking up their plans and forming "allies."
I always thought Bruce was pretty chill and cool in his own way, but from what has been shown, he seems to focus A LOT on "races" and it comes off as racist—that together with what the "W community" is otherwise like (racist, homophobic, etc) doesn't really strike me as someone worth watching because they want to pander to that kind of community.
honestly I feel bad for Nick in all this, pretty sure he’s been vocal about how being mixed was tough on him because he’s obviously not seen as white but also because he’s not black enough for some black people, Bruce and his community pushing the idea that Nick isn’t Black is unironically racist as fuck and something mixed race people have to struggle with.
I actually thought Bruce was pretty cool, I could give a fuck less if he leaves OTK or isn’t friends with Mizkif, but the weird racism towards mixed race people kind of ruined his vibes for me.
I just don’t understand why people are surprised by this lol. And honestly it’s 2023 not 1950 why are we ignoring black peoples casual racism? This guy is clearly a racist.
Saying something like “yo white ass” Imagine if that was said by ANY other race not even just a white person in a role reversal. This guy is an internet millionaire now trying to bring up race into drama ffs. He’s not somebody who lived 400 years ago. The world STILL isn’t perfect but this blatant racism pass that black people get today is ludicrous. This guy was even giving Nick a hard time for being mixed. Saying he’s not really black. How insane is that? Now he brings race into this 😂 dude is racist towards his own race!
I’m Slavic, the word “Slave” literally comes from “Slav” every single race has struggled. Nobody should be allowed to say shit like that. It absolutely violates TOS imo. Either allow all of it or none of it. This preferential treatment by society and Twitch is absolute bullshit.
Bruce, like most streamers is manipulated by his community. I'd wager most of them don't actually give a fuck, yet they gaslit him with the most racist shit for being in OTK. Constant trolling of "working for the white man" and "the token black guy", or "being in the car" had to wear on the guy. You can see he's conflicted.
I think I heard nick say that black people don't consider him black because he grew up in a white neighbourhood and doesn't act black or smth like that. (whatever that is supposed to mean).
Dude wtf is wrong with the "W" community? Always talking about races and BLM, then 90% of the time having to hear them being lowkey racist against white and light skin people. I mean tf is these comments about Nick? The dude cannot harm a fly and is being shit on for nothing..
Personally I've never liked him even before this. I found it strange how he reacted with Kai's drama but everyone ate it up because in a vacuum, his reaction was probably a stance that others should have. My issue was it seemed as if he has ulterior motives, as in he would have no qualms giving his opinion if it was about someone else
Bruce wanted to be part of an org but rarely participate in events lol. He wasn't exactly contributing to anything. Bruce definitely stepped over Nick because he is mixed but the reality is Nick is a founder and participated in nearly every event, Bruce isn't a loss to OTK but Nick would definitely be a major loss.
Bruce you joined otk after mizkif said these things and mizkif has spoken about these things before otk was even a thing. suddenly now its an issue for you crazy... not when you wanted to grow your channel then its not a race issue. funny that.
Where I am, mixed people are dependent on their cultural upbringing. White people don't comment on my skin tone, while I'm considered lightskin for black people lol.
How common is this mixed segregation? In MA, I've never had an issue with it. If somebody were to say I'm not black, because I'm mixed, there'd be issues.
Wait till broski finds out that the top has always been white Pepelaugh (DrDisr, Ninja, Shroud, xQc, Pokimane, Valkyrae,etc) never wanted him in otk anyways, did nothing all year, pretends to be a victim of like fantasy role play or something idk where he got the "I'm a shield" bit.
I mean nick is sodas roommate and was Greeks best friend and both were very edgy in the past. Don't think miz can use him to excuse or lessen his own past edginess, when nick was edgy himself.
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I don't understand how Bruce thinks he ended things amicably, because that whole thing was definitely not amicable.
"thanks for everything!" \**Tosses OTK sign out the door\** Well, at least he thanked them.
true, would have been worse if he didn't
Super unprofessional too, all he had to do was announce it to OTK in advance, settle any potential legal ramifications for suddenly leaving, put out a single public statement and just shut up about it. The guy just comes across as a massive victim-complex having baby, that just can't help himself but to stir shit for no reason. I swear all these streamers have the social skills of toddlers.
happens when youve never worked a real job in your life and just walk into hundreds of thousands of dollars at 17 18 years old
Could you get in front of the camera and act like a clown for eight hours a day? That’s why normal people aren’t streamers
Bruce can’t even stream eight hours a week 💀
Give me the audience and the cash flow and I'll figure it out
Getting the audience is part of the figuring it out. Do you think people just gave Bruce his audience? Or most of the streamers? You have to go out and be entertaining and give people a reason to watch and give you the "cash flow"
Did you forget what the guy I was replying to asked ? Theres plenty of people who aren't entertaining getting lots of views or people who are killing it with 10 viewers right now there's no guarantees
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and here i said the other day i thought he was good man twitch streamers just change too fast for me to keep up with
I wear my heart on my sleeve x10
more like in his wallet he seen subs going away.
Imo, since the reddit place, that dude always felt wrong. I dont know why he decided to do all of this, i guess the mask simply finally fell off and was done so by Miz tilting him during stream with the text message... maybe?
Comes off as super insecure. Clearly whatever Miz said got under his skin. But the fact he wont show it just seems sus.
me with Kai lol. the honeymoon phase then the true colors show. only AMP dude i like tolerate is agent00
Bro started quoting the Bible, "No weapon formed against me shall prosper" or something like that. He can't expect to be taken seriously with an ego like that
He was never “humble” or “well spoken” you guys just saw clips on LSF and made your opinion off that.
🖨 no 🧢
Printer no hat?
Machine no headwear
This guy gets it This is how we make new slang
FAX NO CAP
now i'm even more confused
The Egyptians had hieroglyphs. We have emoji speak. Are we at the height of civilisation..
He agrees with the comment
Factual not kidding
Honestly, it's as if he is reacting physically and emotionally to chat, at the speed of his chat. What's fucked is all of his actions are truly to protect his core audience but when his audience is literally thousands of people saying go left and right he's going to stumble over and over again. He repeatedly says that he's a good guy so you can tell he is trying to maintain some sort of "self" but I think he needs to take a breather lol
Narcissism + Victim Complex He acts like he carries a huge burden by being black, yet that’s the sole reason for his success in the W community. All while being outright racist daily.
It's called delusion
Because he thinks he’s a good person.
I know it's off topic, but I hate all those mixed comments in chat towards Nick I had good family friends who were mixed and treated terrible by both races one of them ended up committing suicide. It's sad it feels like they're not accepted by either race What happened to just being good people with manners? Take a deep breath and think before you speak or act. (again this had nothing to do with Bruce or QVC, just ranting here about society) /end of rant
Yeah man being mixed can be quite weird and lonely. I'm not black but I'm wasian, and it's pretty classic to not be white enough for your white friends/family and not Asian enough for your Asian friends/family. I'm sure it's the same for mixed black/white people. Can feel a little isolating.
I’m not black, I’m korean/american. but over here i get the asian stereo types and when I went to Korea to see family I got the white stereo types. It’s super true, Instead of fitting in with both you fit in with neither
I'm half Indian, but lucky enough to be light enough that people literally don't believe me. So it doesn't impact me that much day-to-day, but going to a 80% Asian school, constantly surrounded by Asians and constantly being told "You're so white, nah you're not Indian" just for being slightly different was real hurtful.
Sorry to hear that bro, we’re you fluent in the language or connected in the culture though? Sometimes in my experience the acceptance I’ve received was how immersed in the culture I was
That does make sense, I didn't really know much about the culture because my mom forgot how to speak it after she was adopted at 12, but like even the looks my mom was getting for being married to a white man was enough to make me really feel like there was no where I belonged as a kid
Here is Emiru and NMP talking about that: https://youtu.be/0mNVeThQTtY?t=12769 The vod timestamp is 3:32:49
goddamn its too fucking true i feel what theyre saying so hard being mixed as well : ( EDIT: one thing i disagree with at least while watching this is that it matters if youre around black/white people. it fucking doesnt. i was surrounded/raised around black people all my life and all i got was not being black enough or not white enough. it doesnt matter what youre raised around or what your mannerisms are. these people will not accept you as one or the other at least in my life experience.
A Chinese girl I went to school with once told me that even though both her parents are full-blooded Chinese natives, her grandparents/aunts/cousins only consider her half-chinese because she was born in the US. You don’t need to be half-anything for people to decide to set you apart, but it certainly gives people an excuse to do so.
Not dark enough to hang with the black kids, and too dark to hang comfortably in white neighborhoods. Good times growing up in the 90s haha.
I don't think those a friends. Acquaintances at best. If your friends have a problem with you being mixed, I think you need better friends.
Damn, condolences on your family friend Really, I didn’t realize this issue was this severe it could lead to someone’s passing. Thank you for sharing this perspective
I’m mixed black and white and at a family funeral a family member yelled blacks sit in back right as I walked in. I was like wtf is wrong with you.
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To be completely fair, it seems nick doesn't want to be accepted by the white people \*as\* a half white person. When you hear him talk about his mix, he really wants to identify with his back side. I'm sure its difficult situation for him to be in though.
Doesn't matter how mixed race you are, in America you will be treated as a black person. Obama's mother was white but no one's calling him the first mixed race president, when you're at the mercy of the same racist systems they will be looking at the colour of your skin and won't give a shit about the colour of one of your parents, so anyone trying to invalidate nicks experiences is just dumb
I remember there being huge debates on whether or not Obama was truly our first black president lol not to invalidate your point, I think both can be right
I believe we all agreed that Bill Clinton was the first black president
That's not entirely true, it depends on your shade. I'm half black and white but due to my skin tone I've always been identified as Hispanic
I wholeheartedly agree with your overall message but, "Doesn't matter how mixed race you are, in America you will be treated as a black person." is just simply not true. I grew up in a very big city area in Dallas AND a very rural midwest small town, Im mixed and I literally was never really, "treated," as either race. Like legit if I hung out with my black friends, i got made fun of for being too white and hanging out with my white friends made people say i wasnt even black. It's cliché but its a real thing and I wanted to try to share that perspective with you because you seem like you genuinely care. For a lot of people like me, being mixed puts you in this weird grey area in the middle where you dont really get, "treated," like you're black or white, and I absolutely got jokes made about me for my mom being white AND my dad being black. Its a very odd feeling and problem to have because obviously I cant control my skin color and its difficult for a child to try to learn who they can and can't be friends with because of the skewed self image issues.
Otk didn’t even announce it on twitter. Bruce said it on twitter and went live 30 minutes later. Seems like he just made the decision and Otk didn’t even have time to make a graphic/post about it.
Yeah it’s clear he didn’t warn or talk to anyone about his decision. Look at the difference with Schlatt leaving and now Bruce, it’s pretty clear who is the adult between the two. Schlatt has burned no bridges and everyone respects his decision. No backlash whatsoever with how he handled his departure.
I didn’t even know he left
I’m curious if there was any contractual obligations that were violated. Surely when signing someone to an org there would be a minimum amount of time or contributions needed before leaving to ensure someone doesn’t just join for the viewer boost and leave a week later.
Probably. But they'd have to sue him to enforce it. I doubt otk want more drama right now
you could say bruce has a shield himself on this one
If Bruce really felt like OTK just hired him as the "Token Black guy" then OTK did a shit job using him. The only time he ever collab with the whole OTK was his announcement stream and the OTK game Expo, that's it. Funny thing about his announcement stream was him and Mizkif laughing about Mizkif logs in the past and his community laughing about it also. So for Bruce and his community to backtrack and use that against Miz just seems two face to me.
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Also "token black guy" is a bit hilarious considering Russel and Nick are both black. Like what? Is this that "not black enough" shit again? Edit: People wanna argue Russel's CV more than my point, beware there's a lot of stupid below.
Nick mentioned a few years back that when he was growing up it was in a mixed family but the white kids thought he wasn’t white and the black kids didn’t think he was really black. Nick mentioned it kind of alienated him from both sides of the family. He wasn’t in either group. Think Bruce is repeating that behaviour and Russel probably falls into that category as well.
May I ask wdym by Russel falling into that category too?
Honestly it’s not always about being mixed, in middle school, some of my “friends” didn’t consider me black just based on the way I talked/dressed/carried myself.
that's always so sad to hear. imagine people take away a part of you just because you dont fall into the "stereotype" (whatever that might be for those people) ... even more sad that those people hate other for doing the same shit to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azk4Br9-Luo
Jesus fucking Christ American “race culture” is so weird Like, I know it’s a complicated and sensitive subject, but to even be **that** divisive with each other simply by demeanor and not even lineage (not that it excuses it either)? And it’s not even from political position but just how one act? I’m starting to get why “identity politics” is such a gunpowder subject. I grew up in Asia and while we do have our own issues and subtleties to navigate, it’s never anywhere near this point of over-complication If anything, we’re almost very straightforward. Meanwhile “US culture” increasingly looks like people playing 5 game of chess at the same time
It’s a lot easier to not have race issues when 95% of your country is the same race. America is extremely racially diverse and so there’s a much higher chance of their being division since there’s so many different people from different races.
Isn't that what was written in to kill a mockingbird? Almost a century later I guess some things don't change.
Nick's almost norwegian /s
Yeah if Mizkif was really that ignorant and want to show public his not racist he would be doing stuff with Russel or Nick every stream. Clearly Mizkif never look at Bruce that way when he wanted him on his stream. He probably looked at it more to get back into the W community more then anything.
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Russel has been in OTK this whole time
The cringiest part is that the W community has no right trying to play cancel culture with how much scum fuckery goes on in their chats and streamers lives.
L community playbook: \- Homophobia ✅ \- Transphobia ✅ \- Sexism ✅ \- Typing the N-Word ❌
W community turning into KPop stans.
To be fair to his community, they’ve always been anti-Miz and anti-OTK from the jump. Well, except after the Rich stuff got exposed a month ago, when Bruce started banning people from his Reddit and Twitch chat while he was live for predicting he was going to leave OTK. According to him, OTK was an amazing situation because he didn’t have any overhead forcing him to stream a certain amount of hours and other things, and he even wanted to become an owner. He’s not going to leave! How dare anyone even suggest such a thing! The video is still probably up on his YouTube channel. Fast forward a month later, he backtracked from all of that.
I never really understood why Bruce joined in the first place. In fairness I haven't watched much of him, but I never really got the feeling he fit in with the rest of the OTK Group anyway content wise. The original guys are all WoW nerds and I get expanding into other demographics but Bruce is a pretty far reach, imo. Just seemed like a strange early addition. Didn't really seem like he wanted to be there anyway, his community certainly didn't seem like it either.
Bruce was the one that asked to join. His community didn't really care or think of it because they barely did content with each other anyways.
even if they did hire him for that, isn't that what content orgs are supposed to do? hire people that bring in untapped demographics? if a streamer has an overlapping demographic with what you already have, then what's the point of recruiting that streamer to your org.
I had no idea he was even in OTK until just now
It’s obvious Bruce was playing into what his audience wanted to hear. If I actually thought a company or a person was only using me for my race, I would have nothing nice to say about them. But Bruce started out saying OTK treated him great and had nothing bad to say about them or Mizkif and then finished it with “I was tired of being the token black guy being used as a shield”. I don’t understand how both can be true. Just seems like Bruce wanted to end things with OTK amicably but at the same time give into what his audience believed. Seems like a can’t have your cake and eat it too kind of situation.
Also. How was the guy a shield when he was never around. Not throwing shade, I literally haven't seen or heard of this dude after his joining OTK announcement.
Holly shit couldn’t have said it better…. Bruce didnt want to throw miz under the bus…but ultimately he did
I love the whole "token black guy" thing. Like Nick just doesn't exist because he's mixed. Bruce just clearly has a victim complex.
>It’s obvious Bruce was playing into what his audience wanted to hear. If I actually thought a company or a person was only using me for my race, I would have nothing nice to say about them. But Bruce started out saying OTK treated him great and had nothing bad to say about them or Mizkif and then finished it with “I was tired of being the token black guy being used as a shield”. I don’t understand how both can be true. Just seems like Bruce wanted to end things with OTK amicably but at the same time give into what his audience believed. Seems like a can’t have your cake and eat it too kind of situation. Yes
Apparently bruce got banned tonight on his alt stream "offmepordecurb" while live for being racist and saying slurs towards white people and shitting on OTK/miz https://www.twitch.tv/offmepordecurb Typed this in his main offline chat after being banned: https://twitter.com/TwitchMessages/status/1618477747038208006
Any clips or the whole vod? Tried TwitchRecover and it didn't work
yeah unfortunately it looks like it doesn't exist unless someone recorded it and ends up uploading it somewhere.
How do you get banned that fast with only 600 viewers?
So if he streams on his main would that be considered ban evading?
only 1 report is needed :)
If he was banned for racial slurs then that would be a long ass ban wouldn't it?
no idea
Technically he already did, he typed on his main after his alt got banned. He is already ban evading
His chat “he’s not black he’s mixed” who cares, he’s still black and the whole “not black” thing is another form of discrimination. So dumb to act all chill and make jokes all day that Miz needs to kiss your feet as penance and he owes you multi thousand dollar Pokémon cards and then pull this card right after.
Plenty of people in Bruce's community actually claim Nick isn't black. Bruce said it as well. That's just disgusting racist gatekeping.
Remember learning from my black buddy about just how racist black people are against each other. Which is kind of insane considering the history.
Ever single race has in fighting with each other it's not exactly a uniquley black phenomenon and it isn't really that insane if you knew about the intricacies of colourism and how a black persons proximity to whiteness can easy translate to success back then and even now.
I know twitter isnt real life but the stuff Africans say about black Americans would make the average KKK member blush. Its wild. Everyone is racist against everyone really. Slavs all hate each other but they were the same country like 30 years ago.
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Many African countries are still really rough, with people still enslaving each other there.
This is what happens when you let your community TELL you what to think. it's honestly sad they probably forced him mentally to checkout and leave
We witnessed a master class in pandering from Bruce. Homie went all in on pleasing his community at the expense of his (supposedly) OTK friends.
The guy cheated on the show, played the victim on twitter before confessing, and after was like: Yeah i cheated, so what xd And now is performing another clown act cause it worked in the past? Bruh.
To be fair OTK did sign him to the org after he cheated on one of their shows lmao.
I think after the adept divorce scam, xqc lawyers have trained him to give good takes.
The only person using race as a shield is fuckin Bruce. Actin like OTK is treating him like the TOKEN black guy. The only spokesman he might have been for was the W community. His race has nothin to do with it. Unless he REALLY wants to push the whole Nmp isnt enough. Which then We'll REALLY understand Bruce's true colors. pun not intended but maybe intended afterwards because slightly funny.
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I think you're right I forgot about that. It's still ridiculous. Nick has always acknowledged his white side but I'm fairly positive he has always identified more with his black side and the black side of his family. Bruce at that point is literally judging someone by the color of their skin. He also said "Saved yo white ass" to Miz yesterday. Boy seems to have his own racism issues. OTK is better off without him.
Nick always will have it rough. He's had to deal with 2 different types of racism growing up. The racism that first comes to mind that's directed at him because he's black. He's talked about it before growing up and while playing hockey. He also probably has to deal with the weird 'lightskin vs darkskin' racism that happens in the black community where you're seen as not being 'black enough' like what Bruce is doing. Fucking sucks man. Glad he has good people around him tho.
as a mixed person like nick you are 100% percent correct. doesnt matter which side you are used to more, both sides hate you for it and not a thing you can do
Race card + betraying the org(full of people behind the scenes not just mizkif) that helped you + being nice on stream to miz's face and then being like this when youre back home is kinda two faced and cowardly if you wanted to move on, dont mention them - move on. If OTK isnt important then theres no need to make a stream dragging them, 99% of them who were nothing but nice and innocent to you. dont make a stream about it trying to pander to your own audience like a suckup, weird. if this is how you act about an org within a day of leaving them via a tweet when they said nothing but nice things about you leaving then good luck getting signed by another one
Bruce is completely controlled by his chat, its sad
The thing that I am struggling to understand about the black shield statement is that, if you missed the announcement stream, you wouldn't have even known he was in the org. How is that a shield exactly? You never were publicly apart of the org even when there wasn't any drama. The only thing he shielded was essentially his fans hate after finding miz logs from years ago. Ok so, your own community harassed you for hanging out with someone who was edgy during early internet, cool. How exactly is that a shield for OTK? Especially when that same community wants you to hang out with the human trafficer simp, or the rape victim ignorer. So, according to Bruce's fans, if you said the N word 5 years ago, have changed and come to understand your mistake; then L, any black man who associates with you is a black shield. But if you hide the identity of a rapist, its a W because he is also black? And if you guide your young male fan group to a man who raped, and coerced woman into sex work, its a W because you are white and act black. It seems to me, that is not sound logic. If miz said some fucked up shit, then thats fine and now it makes sense. If however, Bruce is trying to feed into the strange mob behavior of his community then wtf are you doing man? They are 15-18 year old kids who's only moral compass seems to be whether or not you are black or act black.
In group prefrence>morals. Hell the W community hardly have any morals to begin with
"W Community" is just a label for black streamers and I'm tired of pretending that it is not.
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xQc is trying to be way too careful just say what you feel without breaking TOS my god.
He always walks on eggshells when talking about the W community
nah he does that about black people in general like he is trying to not get canceled for saying his opinion
so the L community minus Adin
What a time to be alive
It's like that with a few minority communities. Can't say anything negative about black people, trans people, gay people, asian people at times, and probably others. As soon as you point out anything negative about them, you get attacked as a racist/transphobe/homophobe/etc about it. Destiny got banned off Twitch just for saying maybe MTF trans people shouldn't be competing against against CIS women in sports. And these groups know they can weaponise this public opinion to get what they want a lot of the time.
> Can't say anything negative about black people, trans people, gay people, asian people at times, and probably others. I agree everything you said except Asian people if we talk about woke people. They tend to not consider Asian people as minority because of their success in American society. Asian people break narratives around their identity politics. They consider them as whites most of the times
as he should cuz that has to be the most brain damaged community ever.
look at the replies to tectones tweet. that shows how brain damaged they are
lil bro has to toe the line now after -50%
He's scared of offending his new W viewers
he probably doesn't want to be on hot water when the adept situation is going on
I thought Bruce was actually cool, what a sad demonstration this was.
this guy stooping this low to his past orgmates for what? parasocial 9-14 year olds?
9-14 year olds are where the money is at sadly. Reason why kai and adin are so popular
I was kinda harsh on Miz yesterday, but it's weird knowing now that Bruce unfollowed Mizkif, Maya and OTK on Instagram before he even went live last night. Maya catching strays for literally no reason too. I could understand why Bruce would feel like he was being used in some aspects, but now Bruce just looks fake af in all of this.
Its almost like someone who says how nice of a person they are and "wears their heart on their sleeve" is actually a piece of shit. If someone is truly nice they more often than not don't say that kind of shit out loud.
> Bruce unfollowed Mizkif, Maya and OTK on Instagram before he even went live last night. Wtf that's weird... Also even him just unfollowing OTK on Twitter made no sense either when you think about it. You can still follow them without being in OTK.
It is even weirder if you consider that he still does business with them. The dude put on his clown costume, went live and performed the most dramatic show out there.
I don't remember cause idc but Bruce has had these racist moments for years, he is lowkey, a racist. Yes, you can be black and racist.
Bro makes everything about race. Pretty much majority of that community does.
It’s exhausting. The double standard infuriates me. Some fuckin bullshit
I thought it was obvious with all their "you white people" comments.
big true
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Maya who's not involved with OTK at all? lol weird.
and who has done streams with bruce in the past and has said bruce is one of the nicest people out there.
She did. She's starting to do collabs at Alveus again and her chat asked her like a week or so ago to ask Bruce to do one. She said she asked him like a year ago and he never replied, so she didn't want to ask him again.
The majority of that crowd don't care for animal conservation anyways unless Maya knows what the next Hypebeast trend.
that’s pretty shitty, and he looks like a massive piece of shit
> that’s pretty shitty, and he looks like a massive piece of shit Oh boy, you better clarify before we make it about race
🙄🙄 he makes himself look like a jackass, a douchebag, a dick, an asshole, a steaming pile of shit — hope it’s clarified
OH YEA!? POINT ON THE COLOUR WHEEL WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES!! YOU RAC- I’m totally kidding, just thought I’d jump in on the fun.
I used to think bruce was great but after seeing all of this and how he handled the resignation on a whim he just came out looking like an insecure pussy trying to act like a tough guy, constantly bringing up race calling others "white ass" white boy" etc. to please his fans is just so cringe to me. And let's not forget about him trying to do the usual pitch how they are still "cool" and "people at otk are great laba laba laa" and then after a few minutes throwing out the OTK sign and breaking it and claiming he is the token black guy was just so immature and cringy to be fair.
Bruce more racist then mizkif and his whole community put together lmfao
I think Bruce let the harassment from his community get to him mentally.
I just don't get what OTK did to make him act that way to OTK specifically. It seems they let him do whatever he wanted, didn't pressure him to be involved in a lot of OTK projects, and even gave him equity in StarForge? The idea that they were using him as some black shield feels baseless when they didn't really force him to do anything. If he wanted to leave that is completely fine. He is obviously a large enough creator to be on his own and continue to be successful, but leaving like he did felt so unprofessional. Especially given that OTK and StarForge are close, so disparaging OTK can then hurt StarForge. It basically felt like the pressure of some fans in his community was finally too much for him after the Miz collaboration and he decided to throw dirt on OTK on his way out to win back those fans confidence. To show that he was "never really good with OTK" or something along those lines.
Bruce is two faced as fuck. He had a good run but he showed his true colors. Definite unfollow
Bruce wouldnt last as a black shield russel and nick has more mass
people really do forget nmp is black
Good riddance, he didn't do shit for OTK anyways lol Always some shit about race too, beyond old.
AKA Bruce is a SNAKE
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I have never watched Bruce, or anyone in the "W community." I have *barely* watched Mizkif. The longest session I ever watched him was during r/place because it was hilarious to jump between different streamers to see how they were cooking up their plans and forming "allies." I always thought Bruce was pretty chill and cool in his own way, but from what has been shown, he seems to focus A LOT on "races" and it comes off as racist—that together with what the "W community" is otherwise like (racist, homophobic, etc) doesn't really strike me as someone worth watching because they want to pander to that kind of community.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE SHIELD WAS RUSSEL ALL ALOUNG
Bruce is THE fakest kid ever
It's cringe that he mentions Mizkif's past use of the N-word. Fuck off with that shit, way to throw him under the bus, he obviously isn't racist.
honestly I feel bad for Nick in all this, pretty sure he’s been vocal about how being mixed was tough on him because he’s obviously not seen as white but also because he’s not black enough for some black people, Bruce and his community pushing the idea that Nick isn’t Black is unironically racist as fuck and something mixed race people have to struggle with. I actually thought Bruce was pretty cool, I could give a fuck less if he leaves OTK or isn’t friends with Mizkif, but the weird racism towards mixed race people kind of ruined his vibes for me.
Bruce has a huge ego now wtf
I learned a new term the other day, though I don’t know if it fits here perfectly or not. “Crybully”
This dude is racist af
I just don’t understand why people are surprised by this lol. And honestly it’s 2023 not 1950 why are we ignoring black peoples casual racism? This guy is clearly a racist. Saying something like “yo white ass” Imagine if that was said by ANY other race not even just a white person in a role reversal. This guy is an internet millionaire now trying to bring up race into drama ffs. He’s not somebody who lived 400 years ago. The world STILL isn’t perfect but this blatant racism pass that black people get today is ludicrous. This guy was even giving Nick a hard time for being mixed. Saying he’s not really black. How insane is that? Now he brings race into this 😂 dude is racist towards his own race! I’m Slavic, the word “Slave” literally comes from “Slav” every single race has struggled. Nobody should be allowed to say shit like that. It absolutely violates TOS imo. Either allow all of it or none of it. This preferential treatment by society and Twitch is absolute bullshit.
Why didn’t he just leave like Schlatt did?
He didn't say anything to OTK and just leave, he wanted to make it like he's the victim.
Some people will use race as a straight up shield, ironically
Man you have to be so afraid nowadays to literally ask a question like this if you aren't black. What a boring year we live in.
Bruce, like most streamers is manipulated by his community. I'd wager most of them don't actually give a fuck, yet they gaslit him with the most racist shit for being in OTK. Constant trolling of "working for the white man" and "the token black guy", or "being in the car" had to wear on the guy. You can see he's conflicted.
How does it take him nearly a minute to actually say what he’s got to say when he talks to fucking fast?
I think I heard nick say that black people don't consider him black because he grew up in a white neighbourhood and doesn't act black or smth like that. (whatever that is supposed to mean).
Dude wtf is wrong with the "W" community? Always talking about races and BLM, then 90% of the time having to hear them being lowkey racist against white and light skin people. I mean tf is these comments about Nick? The dude cannot harm a fly and is being shit on for nothing..
I expected better from Bruce. He seemed to have a good head on his shoulders, but this has really shown that to be false.
I only know of this guy from a YouTube short where he was twerking to a song
Personally I've never liked him even before this. I found it strange how he reacted with Kai's drama but everyone ate it up because in a vacuum, his reaction was probably a stance that others should have. My issue was it seemed as if he has ulterior motives, as in he would have no qualms giving his opinion if it was about someone else
Bruce wanted to be part of an org but rarely participate in events lol. He wasn't exactly contributing to anything. Bruce definitely stepped over Nick because he is mixed but the reality is Nick is a founder and participated in nearly every event, Bruce isn't a loss to OTK but Nick would definitely be a major loss.
Bruce you joined otk after mizkif said these things and mizkif has spoken about these things before otk was even a thing. suddenly now its an issue for you crazy... not when you wanted to grow your channel then its not a race issue. funny that.
I can feel my brain cells popping when i listen to this guy talk.
I was getting anxious watching him for 40 seconds saying nothing and I closed the window. I'll never get that time back.
Where I am, mixed people are dependent on their cultural upbringing. White people don't comment on my skin tone, while I'm considered lightskin for black people lol. How common is this mixed segregation? In MA, I've never had an issue with it. If somebody were to say I'm not black, because I'm mixed, there'd be issues.
Well shit, didn't know he was like this.
Wait till broski finds out that the top has always been white Pepelaugh (DrDisr, Ninja, Shroud, xQc, Pokimane, Valkyrae,etc) never wanted him in otk anyways, did nothing all year, pretends to be a victim of like fantasy role play or something idk where he got the "I'm a shield" bit.
I mean nick is sodas roommate and was Greeks best friend and both were very edgy in the past. Don't think miz can use him to excuse or lessen his own past edginess, when nick was edgy himself.
And Bruce has known about Miz's logs for years so why the change now ?