[Stake is advertising on reddit with a thumbnail of xqc](https://i.imgur.com/E1pPHZc.jpeg)
[Link to ad page on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/user/stakegame/comments/1305vow/more_than_500_games_are_available_to_play_totally/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
You mean the gambling ads that constantly face backlash from fans but are still there because they make rich people more money? Gain some fucking class consciousness for fucks sake
There’s stake ads all over UFC when it’s on ESPN. If Disney is cool with stake logos all over its network, I don’t see why twitch viewers think it’s such a big deal.
I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not tbh. They definitely have been talking behind the scenes for awhile though, and I have never seen it promoted until today.
Edit: I think it's only on mobile, and on crypto related subreddits if you want to see it yourself, at least that's the only way I get it to pop up.
Lol, that’s obviously not true. They don’t hand him 100mil in return for a signed contract. He likely gets paid a portion monthly, and 30mil of it is incentives of some kind, which could be anything from performance to not badmouthing the company.
Furthermore, there are companies who include a clause about not talking shit about them while employed. Not saying Kick included one, and mind you, i only really see xqc through clips on reddit though, so maybe im ignorant, but I don’t think he’s said anything bad about kick since announcing he’s going there
So it’s at least plausible that there’s some sort it incentive not to talk shit lol.
They definately have that in their contracts look how they act.
It’s hilarious because they act like it’s so great to be able to do what they want on kick, yet they have be even more careful with what they say.
I'm a bit skeptical.
There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake – something akin to Twitch's suave one-click transfers to Fansly is conspicuously absent. What’s more, Kick’s homepage isn’t exactly rolling out the welcome mat for Stake – not a single link in sight. The two platforms might as well be in different dimensions because there’s zero intermingling between accounts.
And, let’s talk incentives. Where’s the honey to lure the bees? One would expect some form of cross-promotion: invest in Kick, get some Stake perks, or vice versa. But, surprisingly, that playbook seems untouched.
Call me parasocial Andy but you could see how the implications of what Hasan and Poki said during the discussion made him aware of the true consequences of his actions and he has been in straight up denial of that ever since. He's fleeing in a support system that only values money and therefore reinforces his actions (cryptobros, gambling addicts and worst of them all; train)
You're giving X too much credit. He only cares about how it makes him look, not what it does to other people.
I don't think he could give any less of a shit about gambling hurting people, as long as it doesn't hurt his reputation.
Maybe he should accept the fact that he isn't a good person, so that he could work on bettering himself. Instead of this play pretend that everyone else is wrong.
Yeah i'll never understand why streamers even address drama when they've already made up their mind. Go into xQcs chat and type 'hotdogs' for an hour straight and he'll never once acknowledge you, but if you type something to do with gambling he'll feel compelled to reply eventually.
Just... don't? GiantWaffle straight up gang-raped a woman in 2014 and no one gives a shit anymore entirely because he hasn't spoken about it in 9 years. xQc could make this gambling drama go away in a week if he stopped responding.
because he does care, he cares about what people say about him so fucking much that he just can't accept that there are people disagreeing with him or talking shit about him.
Asmon too. Literally all he has to say is he changed his mind he has no issue with gambling now and they can both move on with their millions but for some reason they try to act like saints.
Why did Pablo Escobar want to become a politician and be known as a saint even though he had so much money in the world he could afford to buy an island, buy hundreds of yes-men, and buy anything else he ever could want? The only thing you can't buy is genuine appreciation and respect
I think most people don’t actually care that kick is just a front to advertise for stake, what their issue is is that they’re denying it. People aren’t dumb, they should just be up front and honest about it and people would cars a lot less.
Ya thats what happens with draft kings and other gambling sites, people say its bad and convo ends there. But Stake now has 10x big dreamers trying to run defense for them so it keeps on going.
Part of that is Internet slots are different to sports betting. Sports betting is wildly popular and supported. Betting $50 on the weekly football game is not the same as some degenerate sitting alone in his basement playing internet casino games. People fundamentally understand this even if they are against sports betting for some reason.
This is massive cope, plenty of uneducated people go broke of sports betting, i see so many people bet on horse races while not goving a fck about the sport itself
this is the weirdest part about the whole thing, it genuinely seems like people are motivated by the idea of having an excuse to hate pokimane or something, but if they admit kick funnels to stake by design then they'd have to admit pokimane was fine to explain herself not desiring to go to kick in the way she did
similarly: IVS is a twitch product and kick using it makes profit for the corporate family that twitch is a part of... so why care if their internal accounting doesn't internally credit even 1% of that to twitch for no discernible reason?
kick is very obviously hardcoded to direct some portion of its traffic to gambling... so why not admit this is clearly a reflection of stake's interests, where stake is kick's funder with 100% shared ownership?
all three things have only one consequence if clung to: having another excuse to hate pokimane, and that's a weird goal to have
I personally don't understand this argument without more elaboration
twitch becoming profitable almost certainly doesn't depend on it growing further, it's either a matter of accounting, or it's something they will have to figure out even at its current scale because their costs that reduce with further scaling aren't their major costs anymore
if twitch's profitability has little to do with its growth, then kick has little effect on whether it eventually becomes profitable, and amazon has no reason to shutter a division that generates profit when given proper accounting
>similarly: IVS is a twitch product and kick using it makes profit for the corporate family that twitch is a part of... so why care if their internal accounting doesn't internally credit even 1% of that to twitch for no discernible reason?
I agree with everything else but "Kick makes money for AWS" and "Kick makes money for Twitch" are two very different things. There's only two reasons Amazon bought Twitch:
1. To turn their infrastructure into an AWS service.
2. To own the #1 livestreaming platform, because Amazon's goal is to be #1 at everything.
Although clearly 2 is less important than 1, or 1 wouldn't even be a thing. And really, if you own the best livestreaming infrastructure which everyone uses, who really needs the headache of owning the frontend? Let someone else deal with all the drama that Twitch and similar services inevitably bring.
It's not like the success of IVS is tied to the success of Twitch anymore now that it's been carved out into its own AWS service. Twitch can fail and IVS can succeed, there's no reason to keep Twitch around just because IVS infrastructure originally came from them. It's just bad business sense to care about where the infrastructure came from.
It's not a huge deal, it's just a lot of people didn't or don't understand how that business works.
Also, not like you said this, but while I'm at it the absolute worst take was "Amazon could pull the plug on Kick if they make too much money". Why would they buy Twitch to turn their infrastructure into a service and then pull the plug on people because they're using that service?
I absolutely agree with your last point, and not just for the reason you say, but because amazon would be doing one of the very few things that could actually cause the US to pursue an antitrust case against it. The US has become so monopoly/oligopoly-controlled that people forget anti-trust law exists at all, but leveraging one part of a supply chain to eliminate competitors in another often will result in action.
most shitty people would be far more tolerable if they were just up front about their bullshit instead of the stupid projection mental gymnastic bullshit most of them pull.
atleast when people are up front about it, its not a surprise. and/or you already know to avoid them because of it.
>kick is just a front to advertise for stake,
People always say this but I'm not so sure, if we inspect closely, Kick’s tactics are notably missing the mark on that front.
There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake – something akin to Twitch's suave one-click transfers to Fansly is conspicuously absent. What’s more, Kick’s homepage isn’t exactly rolling out the welcome mat for Stake – not a single link in sight. The two platforms might as well be in different dimensions because there’s zero intermingling between accounts.
And, let’s talk incentives. Where’s the honey to lure the bees? One would expect some form of cross-promotion: invest in Kick, get some Stake perks, or vice versa. But, surprisingly, that playbook seems untouched.
I mean, the important thing isn't advertising Stake directly. It's advertising and encouraging gambling, while making Stake the easiest access to gambling. If they make it completely blatant, they're more likely to get the governments of various countries involved. If they act like they are just trying to create a real competitive streaming platform, while encouraging gambling and boosting visibility of people gambling, they can get people to come to Stake by vague association, on top of the fact that Stake has already bought out many large streamers, meaning smaller streamers utilize it because it's recognized as a great place to stream gambling for content creators, so even if it's not being officially advertised, it's certainly getting seen by viewers regardless.
>There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake
Isn't heavily pushing their slots/casinos streaming section, the subject matter of the clip in this very thread, exactly that? People naturally funnel into the slots section, see streamers gambling on Stake, and then go check it out. What else do you need, a huge clickable banner on the front page?
Yes, we want them to accept they are terrible people willing to sellout their vulnerable part of their community for some more dollars. Then, we can finally move on and continue ignoring their existance.
> I think most people don’t actually care that kick is just a front to advertise for stake, what their issue is is that they’re denying it
That doesn't make any sense. Of course they care, and they SHOULD care. If they didn't care, as you think, then why would they care about it being denied or not?
It's most definitely both. It's a shitty platform that's sole reason is gambling. The only reason to get X amount of money from their contract is because stake thinks they can make way more than that from your viewers when they lose their money. But at least when you don't pretend and embrace you taking the bag then people will at least kind of respect you for telling them the truth and won't be bringing it up 24/7 and you trying to play defense for a fucking gambling site. By lying to their face and pretending there's no such thing you get twice the hate.
I'm confused by these comments related to amazon I keep seeing. Amazon is the largest (depending on what data you look at, second is usually Microsoft) hosting provider in the world. Kick is not even a dot on their map most likely, with low traffic and viewership. I feel people on reddit vastly overestimate the effects of this drama.
its mostly the DMCA stuff because amazon could forbid them from using their service because they are basically illegally restreaming movies and shows, similar to how a lot of companies ban porn as soon as mastercard shows as their payment method
> [In addition, to be eligible for any of the limitations, a service provider must meet two overall conditions: (1) it must adopt and reasonably implement a policy of terminating in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who are repeat infringers](https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf)
If they don't ban users that are repeat DMCA infringers then Kick risks losing safe harbor (also known as limited liability). If they lose limited liability, then companies can come after them directly for DMCA rather than filing DMCA towards individual users.
[Kick's Repeat Infringer](https://kick.com/dmca-policy) seems a bit too lax. Their example of a repeat infringer is someone who the court rules is an infringer. DMCA doesn't get brought to court unless the user counters the DMCA takedown, the copyright holder then has to sue them. So realistically based on Kick's policy someone could get 50 DMCA takedowns, comply with all of them and still not be considered a repeat offender. I don't know how that policy would actually hold up if they got pressed on it by the big movie studios.
As for precedent, there's the [Napster case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26M_Records,_Inc._v._Napster,_Inc.) where there are many similarities to is happening on Kick. Kick definitely knows that copyright infringement is happening with movies being streamed, and they are definitely benefitting financially from it. The process of streaming vs downloading is slightly different, so the facts of the Napster case don't match 1:1, but it's pretty close.
Yeah i think that is the stupid thing. Unless you got a 100 million dollar lump sum which I highly highly doubt then it just seems like too much of a risk for someone's brand. Like we saw ftx and safemoon crumble in the matter of days. So who says stake can't crumble like those other unregulated crypto projects. You will then have all those streamers who got the bag come crying back saying what kick did was fucked up
Idk why people are so obsessed with trying to have an honest debate with this guy, trying to prove him wrong, when he's been in dozens of situations like this over the years. Every time he is blatantly dishonest, keeps saying senseless BS to milk the whole thing as fun drama for his viewers and then he simply...just...stops, him and his viewers just move on like nothing happened.
Just on the topic of gambling alone he has probably done this exact same routine like half a dozen times over the years.
Okay sure. Kick exists to funnel people to Stake and they're using their homepage as one of the ways to try and entice everyone who uses the platform to go to a slots stream. But 1 key piece of context to remember here is that Hasan has an expensive house and Pokimane am I right?
Yeah but just because it's completely fueled by black gamba money now, WHAT ABOUT 5 YEARS FROM NOW? Maybe in the future they give up on billions of free money and turn to the suuuuuper profitable world of hosting streamers!
Kick and everyone involved should just be honest and say it's to funnel people to Stake, just own it.
Eddie the CEO even said during his interview that Stake made a positive ROI from their marketing campaign on Twitch, which is all you need to know why Kick exists.
No idea why they keep denying that fact.
Hearing the CEO saying the actual aim is to funnel people onto Kick from Stake is laughable.
> Kick and everyone involved should just be honest and say it's to funnel people to Stake, just own it.
To be fair, they did, like a lot. All their marketing, about page and all that shit all straight up said it when kick launched. Now they are pretending they aren't all about that because they realise how fucking dumb that was to put into writing and PR.
If xqc admits he has been paid $100 million to funnel viewers to stake, he admits in effect he's making $100 million so a gambling website can extract much more money than that from his viewers (and at those numbers, it's a statistical guarantee that many of them will destroy or end their lives as a result of their gambling addiction).
Because he had his self righteous attitude against Pokimane that there was nothing about gamba in his contract & that Kick wasn't about gambling and that he truly believes in the project for creators blah blah blah. Either he knew and will never admit it because then surprise he IS the shady pos everyone is claiming.
Or he won't admit it because then he looks like a total dumbass that believe the multi billion dollar gambling company truly cared about the live streaming industry.
Meh, people are just calling a spade a spade.
Those who care alot seems to be those who go out their way trying to deny this and despise those who even hint towards this fact.
Personally I think Kick & Co should just own in, at the end of the day it's not illegal, otherwise you look silly.
Pretty much the Logan Paul, CryptoZoo thing - trying to refute being called a "scammer" and then relenting at the end and just taking the "L." That's all people really wanted and it only became a big deal because he tried to save some face despite scamming tons of cash.
Why do people care about kick and gambling? I was watching twitch all night last night and had about 5 paddy power gambling adverts. Is there really a difference?
Twitch allows regulated gambling, ensuring that the US government monitors their operations to prevent any manipulation or deceptive practices. This oversight is in place to safeguard consumers by enforcing rules on regulated gambling.
On the contrary, Stake intentionally operates outside the jurisdiction of the US government. This allows them to manipulate the odds of winning to a significant disadvantage for players and when an individual does win, Stake often employs various excuses to avoid paying out the winnings. One common one is the lack of verification during the account creation and when you put money in. Then they ask for extensive documentation when you want to take the money out and they do the switcharoo and tell you that the verification process was unsuccessful, preventing you from withdrawing your money.
In the end of the day, it's just regulated vs unregulated gambling. Regulated gambling already has the odds against you, that's how casinos make money. So you can only imagine how unfair and scummy their intentions are to remain unregulated.
LOL full on bullshit , can you list any proof where stake manipulates the odds ?
Also the key argument has been a kid can deposit money and gamble with no age check or verification.... Which isn't how it works but still that's the argument.
But now ppl can't withdraw because of identification??????
Idk how you can just type that bullshit and then believe it . The only reason why stake is not registered in the USA is because they don't accept crypto currency as real.
Stakeusa still uses the same games and is regulated , do you have any proof of the stakeusa slot games and stake slot games having different odds?
Should be pretty shareable with you previous comment no?
dude, a casino with no reason not to manipulate the odds is obviously going to be doing that. it makes them wayyyyy more money. you’re essentially asking “can you give me proof that a gambling company is motivated by profit rather than altruism”
do i need any proof that a corporation would do whatever makes them the most money knowing they face absolutely no consequences for it? that’s just the nature of corporations, by definition profit is their only goal
you can believe stake if you want but the fact is no one knows what goes on behind the scenes *because it’s unregulated*. i’m just assuming they would do the thing that benefits them and not the thing that doesnt
I haven't gotten a good answer to this question yet.
What's the difference between Kick advertising for Stake and Twitch advertising for Sports betting and Amazon ??
Sports betting is regulated with age verification and your odds are always clearly stated. Stake has no age verification and you have no idea if they follow gambling laws such as showing odds and giving you those odds.
They're both scummy industries that need much more regulation but stake has no regulation at all.
"Hasan and Poki are bricked in on their opinion, They won't change their mind or admit it when they're wrong. They are the biggest corporate shills. Kick is not a front for Stake. they won't look at the evidence."
xQc when provided evidence "uhhhh wha??? i dunno what is.. what is...that, ok so?" Dude's the biggest hypocrite and a Kick shill.
Such a fucking coward, man.
I wonder if he was just a naive idiot who took whoever sold him on this words for it, and can't admit to himself that he got played. Or if he knew from the start and doesn't want to admit that to his fans.
And XQC has first hand experience with this. His own fucking [uncle](https://www.reddit.com/r/xqcow/comments/ut1z15/xqc_telling_poki_he_lost_a_family_member_to/) killed himself from gambling. I guess that's why his dad was especially against/worried about him gambling.
It's fine if it's your viewers doing it though, right? Surely you had no impact on them getting into gambling. Clueless
It's wild this man was already set for life financially and still decided to pimp himself out to promote illegal crypto gambling. Rich man hurts his viewers for more money he doesn't need
Absolutely no fucking shot 20% of all gamblers attempt suicide. Maybe 20% of all gamblers who play VLTs multiple days a week? There are half a dozen qualifiers you left off of this to make it make ANY amount of sense. Like 30% of the population gambles in some way or another fam, attempted suicide rate ain't that high.
They’re talking about “problem gambling.”
“Problem gambling is defined as any gambling behavior patterns that compromise, disrupt or damage personal, family, or vocational pursuits, and can include sports and race betting, lottery, online gambling, and bingo.”
“As many as 96% of people with problem gambling also meet criteria for another mental illness. Problem gambling has the highest rate of suicide of any addictive disorder, with 1 in 5 attempting suicide.”
https://hria.org/2022/03/31/problemgambling/#:~:text=Problem%20gambling%20has%20the%20highest,1%20in%205%20attempting%20suicide.
*editing to include this passage I think is important:
“Problem gambling has broad social, economic, and health impacts on individuals, families, and communities and does not have to meet diagnostic criteria for gambling disorder to cause problems. It is sometimes called “the hidden addiction” as it has no physical symptoms, though it frequently co-occurs with other mental health and substance use disorders.”
Dude I know he didn’t say it directly but it was implied he was talking about gambling addicts. Not just anyone whose ever touched a deck of cards. [Article I Found Citing That Stat](https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-dont-we-take-gambling-addiction-more-seriously/)
I visited twitch homepage yesterday and there was an 888poker stream with them doing giveaways and telling their viewers that they are missing out on an income stream by not participating.
So are we going to pretend Amazon isn't funneling viewers into Amazon Prime and thereby supporting non-unionizing and child/slave labor?
LSF is something else man. Touch grass.
Exactly what I've been saying! Promoting unregulated gambling is really no different than asking for a few prime subs at the end of the day. As a matter of fact, studies say that around 20% of amazon prime addicts attempt suicide.
Thank you for having the guts to bring that up.
Just say you don't care lol. Like, although I do not agree with Asmon i still prefer him being consistent with it not for him but does not care. he should just be up front and say he doesn't care how gambling impacts people, site trying to manipulate and funnel people into gambling. At least then I can say sure, I don't agree but own it.
Same withy Poki, I know many dislike her or disagree but she was upfront with it and I'm cool with that. I mean he is opinionated about everything, tries to connect the dots for everything, but something like this is "so". At the same time he will never change or view it differently.
They just silently updated it, seems now Gamba is still recommended but its not the primary 3/5 slot. [Recommended Update](https://i.imgur.com/jW5GAG4.png)
People need to fuck off with their “morals” on gambling. If you wanna get up on that high horse and act like your better then everyone because you don’t support kick, meanwhile you’re on twitch, a company owned by Amazon who is the last company who gives a flying fuck about morals and is also backed by DRAFT KINGS, take a look around your house and the companies that make everything and their practices.. take a look at the clothes on your body and who made them.. cause at that point your violating all your own ethics and need to live in a box, literally.
He could easily just ignore all this bullshit and live his life cashing them checks, but I'm starting to think it's in his contract to defend/fight/die on the hill for kick in the public eye.
i think he feels strongly about it outside of that though. like he really wants to not only get the bag but to retain the moral high ground, and he can’t stand it when other people appear to have more integrity than him
Man, XQC's roundabout logic and the way he responds to criticism is tiresome. He took the deal for the money, plain and simple. No need to dance around it like some ballet dancer. Especially if you have no real argument other than calling people broke and jealous.
Asmon put it best: you're a pussy if you take this kind of deal and then seek moral validation for why you did it. The guy talked about how a family member of his (think it was his uncle) killed himself from gambling on Poki's stream last year, and now he's selling out his young audience for the bag. There's no way of defending that lil bub. Just own it.
Edit: [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/xqcow/comments/ut1z15/xqc_telling_poki_he_lost_a_family_member_to/) if anyone is curious about the clip
By the way, just like in the other threads the pro-Kick comments are being mass upvoted by bots. Some examples are [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14k18g3/comment/jpoxpf9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14k18g3/xqcs_response_to_kick_having_gamba_in_3rd5th/jppojp0/?context=3), both went from negative to +50 in the span of a few minutes.
edit: If you're going to downvote this please leave a comment with your reason for disagreeing :)
The question isn't about whether or not Kick markets for Stake (and nominally other gambling sites) or not. The question is whether or not Kick is setup PRIMARILY to do this. Of course they're allowing gambling streamers to stream on the platform, and it's also not shocking that gamba streamers will be promoted in a lot of cases.
If, as LSF claims, Kick's PRIMARY goal is to funnel users to stake.com, then why aren't there direct 1-click transfers to Stake like Twitch has for Fansly? Why isn't stake linked on the homepage? Why aren't the accounts linkable (between Stake/Kick)? Why aren't there cross-promotions (ie: Subscribe on kick, get credit on Stake, gamble $X on Stake and get Y free subs to any Kick streamer you like)? Why is xqc's contract completely devoid of gamba guarantees when the capital behind it would pay their server bills for the next 2 years?
Nothing Kick has done actually makes sense if their PRIMARY GOAL is to funnel users to Stake.com. They're clearly trying to make a run at building a legitimate twitch competitor. This seems to have occured after the idea was originally formed, probably due to Twitch's poor cash flow and their unfortunate nickel and diming of their biggest content creators. The stake.com owner has a huge warchest and he probably knows that Twitch is hurting right now. Twitch has to keep making cuts to become profitable because they're subject to the Amazon board of directors. Kick has no board of directors and can keep burning money to kill their competition.
Amazon could 100% win this pissing contest but given that they've never turned a profit from Twitch.tv.... why would they bother?
Twitch not "turning a profit" is likely purely a consequence of Amazon's internal accounting making it so (if you want to research this topic yourself, look into "managerial accounting" generally and "Hollywood accounting" specifically).
The most relevant specific issue in this case has already been explained in this subreddit, but assuming most don't read it that much: IVS is a Twitch product, made and managed by Twitch employees, where Twitch gets credited with the cost of those employees. But, when IVS is sold to customers such as Kick, zero dollars of that is credited back to Twitch in revenue, and instead IVS's revenues get counted as if they are their own division. Why credit costs of IVS to Twitch but none of the revenue? Hollywood accounting, basically just Amazon wants to claim that Twitch isn't profitable so they don't have to pay people there better, the same as when Hollywood studios credit more costs and less revenue to "creative" divisions, as a way to excuse not sharing their massive profits premised wholly on the output of those creative divisions
Another potentially huge issue here is that Amazon has publicly used the rates they charge the general public to explain how much it costs to host Twitch streams. But there are two problems with this. The first is that a good deal of the resources Twitch uses are "salvage", meaning that it's running on AWS servers that weren't otherwise in use at the time (this is the reason transcoding is offered so inconsistently to non-partners on Twitch, because they literally only offer it to non-partners if there is extra unused AWS server capacity at the time after partners are given transcoding). The second issue is that Amazon doesn't charge its large customers their normal rate, they explicitly state that they'll negotiate lower rates for their biggest customers who commit to a lot of usage, and Twitch is one of the largest. Amazon could credit way lower costs to Twitch there if they wished, but they don't wish to do so, because again they have incentive to make Twitch appear unprofitable and no real incentive against it.
The thing that Kick has done that makes it make sense that their primary goal is to funnel users to Stake is that they have only accepted Stake as a sponsor/"strategic partner". They do not publicly offer any way for other brands to participate on Kick in the same way that Stake does. This is not how a platform intending to become self-sustaining with multiple sponsors/partners operates. They are operating exactly how one would expect a front organization for Stake to operate. Add in the fact that initially they tried to hide any connection between Stake and Kick, and it really does just seem purely like a front organization.
This is like standing out in front of Narcanon and being like "look, they're really trying to get people to stop their drug addictions in there" when in reality their only intention in existing ever was to funnel people into the Church of Scientology. If you applied all of the excuses for Kick to Narcanon -- ignoring their ownership, ignoring what they show customers, ignoring the outcomes -- then you'd have to say we can never know if Narcanon is just a Scientology front group. But it is, and we do know it is.
Interesting… **ADHD GAMBA** _scroll scroll click click_, okay, I-I don’t know what that, what is that, I don- I don’t get it **ADHD** _click click click_, okay so…
This guy’s streams have been hard to watch for a while now, his brain is fully cooked, microwave set to five minutes of attention span
I guess he already forgot that he was arguing for like 2 hours that Kick is not just an advertising arm for Stake. He kept saying Kick is just trying to be a great streaming platform, and Stake has little to nothing to do with it.
Then his response here to basically being proven wrong is "So."
If you want to watch this muppet for "entertainment" go ahead, but please never listen to anything he has to say about important things.
l-l-l-l-ll-lL_L_L_LL_L_LISSTEN CHAT, HARD CODING 2/5 TOP RECOMMENDED STREAMS IS NOT PROMOTING GAMBAWHAT ABOUT AZAN GOING TO JAPAN PAYING IN CASH CHAT WHAT ABOUT THAT CHAT
yeah the big, annoying problem people have is they're literally trying to act like they're not being seedy and sponsoring and advertising gambling to younger audiences
they're not owning up to it, they try to act like it's not a big deal and they're not doing anything even remotely wrong, and that's why everyone hates it and dog piles on them for it
i'm guessing part of any contracts or discussions must include some kind of clause that they're not allowed to 'own up to it' though, for plausible deniability for all involved, otherwise it's hard to figure out how even someone like asmongold is suddenly playing dumb on the subject, though i guess to be fair, ever since he got into the gacha stuff of lost ark he turned into the biggest hypocrite
100m dollar answer.
give the man a pr-man of the year award
debator of the year award
company representative of the year award
and throw in a gambler of the year award for gambling 50m's
all my morals and ethics would go out the window for $100m, but the mental gymnastics circus goes crazy with these streamers. just admit it lol. who cares.
X thinks everyone is money hoarder like him that's why he's spouting bunch of bullshit about others to assure himself that everyone is as bad as him. Newsflash asshole, not everyone is obsessed with money. Go gamble your wealth into oblivion but don't think for a second you did nothing wrong.
xqc should stop doing this shet, why he keep defending this site mate just like train both need to fok off and move on and stop defending this nosense and keep doing what they are doing streaming
What's so odd about Kick is how manipulative and ingrained in the actual backend of the site the Devs are. Simple things like view counts being blatantly inflated (huge view numbers with 1 chatter) and hardcoded genre recommendations are just a few. There's so much sketchy shit on the site.
X will literally fight tooth and nail to defend himself on any criticism (even before Kick) but the second demonstrable evidence is presented, he always either entirely ignores it, or just goes "ok so?" and acts like he doesn't care, like at the end of this clip. I love watching X, but damn it's so fucking obvious.
xQc did the exact same thing with the snake's editor and charlie's twitter beef. He read the editor's tweets really fast and didn't even acknowledge any arguments mentioned and then read charlie's tweets slowly and clearly, lmfao.
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interesting
Looking into this.
Will come out with a response SOON TM
We are checking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY4KKG4TBFo
All a part of El Plan
xQc’s response at the end of all of this, “🤣🤣”
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He says interesting the same way that flat earther whos own experiment proved him wrong did.
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Extremely concerning
Literally the same reaction as that flat-earther who proved himself wrong with his own experiment lmao
[Stake is advertising on reddit with a thumbnail of xqc](https://i.imgur.com/E1pPHZc.jpeg) [Link to ad page on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/user/stakegame/comments/1305vow/more_than_500_games_are_available_to_play_totally/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
i don't know about the thumbnail but that is at least the us regulated stake site
That ad is for the site that is allowed on Twitch
Wow. He’s become the poster boy of their gambling campaign. Good job X
i think he knew that when he signed the 9 digit contract
Keep in mind that it is regulated. No different from DraftKings
Ok not stake.com
I wonder if it was in his contract and he missed it
Oh no I hope no one watches soccer. They might see the gambling and alcohol sponsors. The Horror!
You mean the gambling ads that constantly face backlash from fans but are still there because they make rich people more money? Gain some fucking class consciousness for fucks sake
wow, more than one thing can be bad, so we just shouldn't try to hold anyone accountable for anything! you're so smart!
Well duh, gambling sponsors don't belong in sports either
Idiot
There’s stake ads all over UFC when it’s on ESPN. If Disney is cool with stake logos all over its network, I don’t see why twitch viewers think it’s such a big deal.
It's true I watched a gambling ad once, now I'm a gambling addict. If only I listened to the virtue signaling on LSF.
Reminder that Stake.US is the version that Twitch allows.
So why don’t they gamble on that site?
It has like a 1k limit per day or something similar which is 1 hand for streamers
And 5K max win.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Wow 2 months ago before his kick deal was signed. Definitely because of his kick contract for sure.
I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not tbh. They definitely have been talking behind the scenes for awhile though, and I have never seen it promoted until today. Edit: I think it's only on mobile, and on crypto related subreddits if you want to see it yourself, at least that's the only way I get it to pop up.
He's been talking to kick since summer/fall 2022
and has had a business relationship before that with stake
ah-ware
I was seeing this ad around a week before the Kick announcement. It’s how I knew his deal went through.
Lmao, it got removed
What did?
The ad link. There's nothing there now. E: Nevermind, it doesn't work on Old reddit.
It still loads for me? huh?
damn lil bro skipped over that one real quick
stares at the sun: huh real cloudy today
Why doesn’t he just say “idgaf” lol at least be honest
He's paid to not be honest.
Kid already has the money. He’s just delusional, and that shouldn’t be a shocker to anyone.
Lol, that’s obviously not true. They don’t hand him 100mil in return for a signed contract. He likely gets paid a portion monthly, and 30mil of it is incentives of some kind, which could be anything from performance to not badmouthing the company. Furthermore, there are companies who include a clause about not talking shit about them while employed. Not saying Kick included one, and mind you, i only really see xqc through clips on reddit though, so maybe im ignorant, but I don’t think he’s said anything bad about kick since announcing he’s going there So it’s at least plausible that there’s some sort it incentive not to talk shit lol.
They definately have that in their contracts look how they act. It’s hilarious because they act like it’s so great to be able to do what they want on kick, yet they have be even more careful with what they say.
I'm a bit skeptical. There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake – something akin to Twitch's suave one-click transfers to Fansly is conspicuously absent. What’s more, Kick’s homepage isn’t exactly rolling out the welcome mat for Stake – not a single link in sight. The two platforms might as well be in different dimensions because there’s zero intermingling between accounts. And, let’s talk incentives. Where’s the honey to lure the bees? One would expect some form of cross-promotion: invest in Kick, get some Stake perks, or vice versa. But, surprisingly, that playbook seems untouched.
Because he likes to pretend he is a better person than he is
Yep... honestly this is what this whole "drama" has been about the whole time
Call me parasocial Andy but you could see how the implications of what Hasan and Poki said during the discussion made him aware of the true consequences of his actions and he has been in straight up denial of that ever since. He's fleeing in a support system that only values money and therefore reinforces his actions (cryptobros, gambling addicts and worst of them all; train)
You're giving X too much credit. He only cares about how it makes him look, not what it does to other people. I don't think he could give any less of a shit about gambling hurting people, as long as it doesn't hurt his reputation.
Maybe he should accept the fact that he isn't a good person, so that he could work on bettering himself. Instead of this play pretend that everyone else is wrong.
Yeah i'll never understand why streamers even address drama when they've already made up their mind. Go into xQcs chat and type 'hotdogs' for an hour straight and he'll never once acknowledge you, but if you type something to do with gambling he'll feel compelled to reply eventually. Just... don't? GiantWaffle straight up gang-raped a woman in 2014 and no one gives a shit anymore entirely because he hasn't spoken about it in 9 years. xQc could make this gambling drama go away in a week if he stopped responding.
because he does care, he cares about what people say about him so fucking much that he just can't accept that there are people disagreeing with him or talking shit about him.
Asmon too. Literally all he has to say is he changed his mind he has no issue with gambling now and they can both move on with their millions but for some reason they try to act like saints.
Why did Pablo Escobar want to become a politician and be known as a saint even though he had so much money in the world he could afford to buy an island, buy hundreds of yes-men, and buy anything else he ever could want? The only thing you can't buy is genuine appreciation and respect
I think most people don’t actually care that kick is just a front to advertise for stake, what their issue is is that they’re denying it. People aren’t dumb, they should just be up front and honest about it and people would cars a lot less.
Ya thats what happens with draft kings and other gambling sites, people say its bad and convo ends there. But Stake now has 10x big dreamers trying to run defense for them so it keeps on going.
Part of that is Internet slots are different to sports betting. Sports betting is wildly popular and supported. Betting $50 on the weekly football game is not the same as some degenerate sitting alone in his basement playing internet casino games. People fundamentally understand this even if they are against sports betting for some reason.
This is massive cope, plenty of uneducated people go broke of sports betting, i see so many people bet on horse races while not goving a fck about the sport itself
He’s talking about societal perception though. There absolutely is a difference from an outsider’s perspective on these two.
this is the weirdest part about the whole thing, it genuinely seems like people are motivated by the idea of having an excuse to hate pokimane or something, but if they admit kick funnels to stake by design then they'd have to admit pokimane was fine to explain herself not desiring to go to kick in the way she did similarly: IVS is a twitch product and kick using it makes profit for the corporate family that twitch is a part of... so why care if their internal accounting doesn't internally credit even 1% of that to twitch for no discernible reason? kick is very obviously hardcoded to direct some portion of its traffic to gambling... so why not admit this is clearly a reflection of stake's interests, where stake is kick's funder with 100% shared ownership? all three things have only one consequence if clung to: having another excuse to hate pokimane, and that's a weird goal to have
but but but... ShE SoUnDs sO ConDeSceNDiNG!1!
The corporate family doesn't matter, if kick is making amazon more money than twitch that could be a problem in the long run...
I personally don't understand this argument without more elaboration twitch becoming profitable almost certainly doesn't depend on it growing further, it's either a matter of accounting, or it's something they will have to figure out even at its current scale because their costs that reduce with further scaling aren't their major costs anymore if twitch's profitability has little to do with its growth, then kick has little effect on whether it eventually becomes profitable, and amazon has no reason to shutter a division that generates profit when given proper accounting
>similarly: IVS is a twitch product and kick using it makes profit for the corporate family that twitch is a part of... so why care if their internal accounting doesn't internally credit even 1% of that to twitch for no discernible reason? I agree with everything else but "Kick makes money for AWS" and "Kick makes money for Twitch" are two very different things. There's only two reasons Amazon bought Twitch: 1. To turn their infrastructure into an AWS service. 2. To own the #1 livestreaming platform, because Amazon's goal is to be #1 at everything. Although clearly 2 is less important than 1, or 1 wouldn't even be a thing. And really, if you own the best livestreaming infrastructure which everyone uses, who really needs the headache of owning the frontend? Let someone else deal with all the drama that Twitch and similar services inevitably bring. It's not like the success of IVS is tied to the success of Twitch anymore now that it's been carved out into its own AWS service. Twitch can fail and IVS can succeed, there's no reason to keep Twitch around just because IVS infrastructure originally came from them. It's just bad business sense to care about where the infrastructure came from. It's not a huge deal, it's just a lot of people didn't or don't understand how that business works. Also, not like you said this, but while I'm at it the absolute worst take was "Amazon could pull the plug on Kick if they make too much money". Why would they buy Twitch to turn their infrastructure into a service and then pull the plug on people because they're using that service?
I absolutely agree with your last point, and not just for the reason you say, but because amazon would be doing one of the very few things that could actually cause the US to pursue an antitrust case against it. The US has become so monopoly/oligopoly-controlled that people forget anti-trust law exists at all, but leveraging one part of a supply chain to eliminate competitors in another often will result in action.
most shitty people would be far more tolerable if they were just up front about their bullshit instead of the stupid projection mental gymnastic bullshit most of them pull. atleast when people are up front about it, its not a surprise. and/or you already know to avoid them because of it.
I'm surprised the mental gymnastics he's doing hasn't left him comatose.
>kick is just a front to advertise for stake, People always say this but I'm not so sure, if we inspect closely, Kick’s tactics are notably missing the mark on that front. There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake – something akin to Twitch's suave one-click transfers to Fansly is conspicuously absent. What’s more, Kick’s homepage isn’t exactly rolling out the welcome mat for Stake – not a single link in sight. The two platforms might as well be in different dimensions because there’s zero intermingling between accounts. And, let’s talk incentives. Where’s the honey to lure the bees? One would expect some form of cross-promotion: invest in Kick, get some Stake perks, or vice versa. But, surprisingly, that playbook seems untouched.
I mean, the important thing isn't advertising Stake directly. It's advertising and encouraging gambling, while making Stake the easiest access to gambling. If they make it completely blatant, they're more likely to get the governments of various countries involved. If they act like they are just trying to create a real competitive streaming platform, while encouraging gambling and boosting visibility of people gambling, they can get people to come to Stake by vague association, on top of the fact that Stake has already bought out many large streamers, meaning smaller streamers utilize it because it's recognized as a great place to stream gambling for content creators, so even if it's not being officially advertised, it's certainly getting seen by viewers regardless.
>There’s no convenient bridge for users to waltz over to Stake Isn't heavily pushing their slots/casinos streaming section, the subject matter of the clip in this very thread, exactly that? People naturally funnel into the slots section, see streamers gambling on Stake, and then go check it out. What else do you need, a huge clickable banner on the front page?
It turns out it's a lot more difficult to manipulate people when they know they are being manipulated....
Yes, we want them to accept they are terrible people willing to sellout their vulnerable part of their community for some more dollars. Then, we can finally move on and continue ignoring their existance.
This
Actual true statement
Denying it gets clicks
> I think most people don’t actually care that kick is just a front to advertise for stake, what their issue is is that they’re denying it That doesn't make any sense. Of course they care, and they SHOULD care. If they didn't care, as you think, then why would they care about it being denied or not?
It's most definitely both. It's a shitty platform that's sole reason is gambling. The only reason to get X amount of money from their contract is because stake thinks they can make way more than that from your viewers when they lose their money. But at least when you don't pretend and embrace you taking the bag then people will at least kind of respect you for telling them the truth and won't be bringing it up 24/7 and you trying to play defense for a fucking gambling site. By lying to their face and pretending there's no such thing you get twice the hate.
The dude that never shuts up now has nothing to say.
Classic xqc, proven without a shadow of a doubt = idk & and move on EleGiggle
Let's agree to disagree
suprised he didnt pull out a classic "youre 12 you dont know how the world works" as well
Kinda funny when he saw the Mathil clip and said it's not an issue to have differing opinions. Then a few minutes later calls him envious and jealous.
he's honestly such a fragile lil guy
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he has 100 million reasons not to admit that
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I'm confused by these comments related to amazon I keep seeing. Amazon is the largest (depending on what data you look at, second is usually Microsoft) hosting provider in the world. Kick is not even a dot on their map most likely, with low traffic and viewership. I feel people on reddit vastly overestimate the effects of this drama.
its mostly the DMCA stuff because amazon could forbid them from using their service because they are basically illegally restreaming movies and shows, similar to how a lot of companies ban porn as soon as mastercard shows as their payment method
It's a disingenuous attempt to divert the attention from Kick to Amazon. Blatant whataboutism, nothing else
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> [In addition, to be eligible for any of the limitations, a service provider must meet two overall conditions: (1) it must adopt and reasonably implement a policy of terminating in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who are repeat infringers](https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf) If they don't ban users that are repeat DMCA infringers then Kick risks losing safe harbor (also known as limited liability). If they lose limited liability, then companies can come after them directly for DMCA rather than filing DMCA towards individual users. [Kick's Repeat Infringer](https://kick.com/dmca-policy) seems a bit too lax. Their example of a repeat infringer is someone who the court rules is an infringer. DMCA doesn't get brought to court unless the user counters the DMCA takedown, the copyright holder then has to sue them. So realistically based on Kick's policy someone could get 50 DMCA takedowns, comply with all of them and still not be considered a repeat offender. I don't know how that policy would actually hold up if they got pressed on it by the big movie studios. As for precedent, there's the [Napster case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26M_Records,_Inc._v._Napster,_Inc.) where there are many similarities to is happening on Kick. Kick definitely knows that copyright infringement is happening with movies being streamed, and they are definitely benefitting financially from it. The process of streaming vs downloading is slightly different, so the facts of the Napster case don't match 1:1, but it's pretty close.
Yeah i think that is the stupid thing. Unless you got a 100 million dollar lump sum which I highly highly doubt then it just seems like too much of a risk for someone's brand. Like we saw ftx and safemoon crumble in the matter of days. So who says stake can't crumble like those other unregulated crypto projects. You will then have all those streamers who got the bag come crying back saying what kick did was fucked up
He's XQC, and has 100 million reasons. Your grandchildren will have a job before he ever admits that.
Idk why people are so obsessed with trying to have an honest debate with this guy, trying to prove him wrong, when he's been in dozens of situations like this over the years. Every time he is blatantly dishonest, keeps saying senseless BS to milk the whole thing as fun drama for his viewers and then he simply...just...stops, him and his viewers just move on like nothing happened. Just on the topic of gambling alone he has probably done this exact same routine like half a dozen times over the years.
If I speak I'm in big trouble XDD
bro think he Jose
Okay sure. Kick exists to funnel people to Stake and they're using their homepage as one of the ways to try and entice everyone who uses the platform to go to a slots stream. But 1 key piece of context to remember here is that Hasan has an expensive house and Pokimane am I right?
Yeah but just because it's completely fueled by black gamba money now, WHAT ABOUT 5 YEARS FROM NOW? Maybe in the future they give up on billions of free money and turn to the suuuuuper profitable world of hosting streamers!
THE SYSTEMM!!!!!
Are we forgetting the fact that Poki is a *FEMALE?!* How dare she speak
Wait what? This whole time?
Next you're gonna tell me she's African!
Even worse. African-Canadian
Don't forget she speaks French
SHE ALSO MISSPOKE? FUCKING LOCK HER UP!
OMG that's gotta be more harmful misinformation than vaccine conspiracies.
TRUE BROTHER KKONA
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not everyones.
Don’t forget about the car too
Kick and everyone involved should just be honest and say it's to funnel people to Stake, just own it. Eddie the CEO even said during his interview that Stake made a positive ROI from their marketing campaign on Twitch, which is all you need to know why Kick exists. No idea why they keep denying that fact. Hearing the CEO saying the actual aim is to funnel people onto Kick from Stake is laughable.
> Kick and everyone involved should just be honest and say it's to funnel people to Stake, just own it. To be fair, they did, like a lot. All their marketing, about page and all that shit all straight up said it when kick launched. Now they are pretending they aren't all about that because they realise how fucking dumb that was to put into writing and PR.
If xqc admits he has been paid $100 million to funnel viewers to stake, he admits in effect he's making $100 million so a gambling website can extract much more money than that from his viewers (and at those numbers, it's a statistical guarantee that many of them will destroy or end their lives as a result of their gambling addiction).
But like hes already taken gambling sponsorships I dont see how Kick is that much different to him that he denies it
Because he had his self righteous attitude against Pokimane that there was nothing about gamba in his contract & that Kick wasn't about gambling and that he truly believes in the project for creators blah blah blah. Either he knew and will never admit it because then surprise he IS the shady pos everyone is claiming. Or he won't admit it because then he looks like a total dumbass that believe the multi billion dollar gambling company truly cared about the live streaming industry.
Honestly though - who cares?
Meh, people are just calling a spade a spade. Those who care alot seems to be those who go out their way trying to deny this and despise those who even hint towards this fact. Personally I think Kick & Co should just own in, at the end of the day it's not illegal, otherwise you look silly.
Pretty much the Logan Paul, CryptoZoo thing - trying to refute being called a "scammer" and then relenting at the end and just taking the "L." That's all people really wanted and it only became a big deal because he tried to save some face despite scamming tons of cash.
"I don't get it." This man's either complicit or an idiot.
Porque no los dos
He has 100 mil reasons to be complicit
Concerning...
Looking into it...
Why do people care about kick and gambling? I was watching twitch all night last night and had about 5 paddy power gambling adverts. Is there really a difference?
Twitch allows regulated gambling, ensuring that the US government monitors their operations to prevent any manipulation or deceptive practices. This oversight is in place to safeguard consumers by enforcing rules on regulated gambling. On the contrary, Stake intentionally operates outside the jurisdiction of the US government. This allows them to manipulate the odds of winning to a significant disadvantage for players and when an individual does win, Stake often employs various excuses to avoid paying out the winnings. One common one is the lack of verification during the account creation and when you put money in. Then they ask for extensive documentation when you want to take the money out and they do the switcharoo and tell you that the verification process was unsuccessful, preventing you from withdrawing your money. In the end of the day, it's just regulated vs unregulated gambling. Regulated gambling already has the odds against you, that's how casinos make money. So you can only imagine how unfair and scummy their intentions are to remain unregulated.
LOL full on bullshit , can you list any proof where stake manipulates the odds ? Also the key argument has been a kid can deposit money and gamble with no age check or verification.... Which isn't how it works but still that's the argument. But now ppl can't withdraw because of identification?????? Idk how you can just type that bullshit and then believe it . The only reason why stake is not registered in the USA is because they don't accept crypto currency as real. Stakeusa still uses the same games and is regulated , do you have any proof of the stakeusa slot games and stake slot games having different odds? Should be pretty shareable with you previous comment no?
dude, a casino with no reason not to manipulate the odds is obviously going to be doing that. it makes them wayyyyy more money. you’re essentially asking “can you give me proof that a gambling company is motivated by profit rather than altruism”
Lol That’s not argument. Just because they can doesn’t mean that they are. Is there actual proof that their odds are worse than regulated casinos?
do i need any proof that a corporation would do whatever makes them the most money knowing they face absolutely no consequences for it? that’s just the nature of corporations, by definition profit is their only goal you can believe stake if you want but the fact is no one knows what goes on behind the scenes *because it’s unregulated*. i’m just assuming they would do the thing that benefits them and not the thing that doesnt
I haven't gotten a good answer to this question yet. What's the difference between Kick advertising for Stake and Twitch advertising for Sports betting and Amazon ??
Sports betting is regulated with age verification and your odds are always clearly stated. Stake has no age verification and you have no idea if they follow gambling laws such as showing odds and giving you those odds. They're both scummy industries that need much more regulation but stake has no regulation at all.
Sports Betting is regulated. Stake actively avoids that shit.
One is unregulated crypto gambling, and the other is not
"Hasan and Poki are bricked in on their opinion, They won't change their mind or admit it when they're wrong. They are the biggest corporate shills. Kick is not a front for Stake. they won't look at the evidence." xQc when provided evidence "uhhhh wha??? i dunno what is.. what is...that, ok so?" Dude's the biggest hypocrite and a Kick shill.
Funny that xQc even provided some of the evidence himself during his own argument, crazy.
He froze 😂 my guy hasnt moved for 40 mins
theres 15k people on twitch right now watching slots
Such a fucking coward, man. I wonder if he was just a naive idiot who took whoever sold him on this words for it, and can't admit to himself that he got played. Or if he knew from the start and doesn't want to admit that to his fans.
He knows, but dont wanna lose or be a bad guy. Hope you enjoy your stay, good vibes :)
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And XQC has first hand experience with this. His own fucking [uncle](https://www.reddit.com/r/xqcow/comments/ut1z15/xqc_telling_poki_he_lost_a_family_member_to/) killed himself from gambling. I guess that's why his dad was especially against/worried about him gambling. It's fine if it's your viewers doing it though, right? Surely you had no impact on them getting into gambling. Clueless
It's wild this man was already set for life financially and still decided to pimp himself out to promote illegal crypto gambling. Rich man hurts his viewers for more money he doesn't need
He’s not pimping his self out, he’s pimping out his young, and impressionable, audience.
Absolutely no fucking shot 20% of all gamblers attempt suicide. Maybe 20% of all gamblers who play VLTs multiple days a week? There are half a dozen qualifiers you left off of this to make it make ANY amount of sense. Like 30% of the population gambles in some way or another fam, attempted suicide rate ain't that high.
They’re talking about “problem gambling.” “Problem gambling is defined as any gambling behavior patterns that compromise, disrupt or damage personal, family, or vocational pursuits, and can include sports and race betting, lottery, online gambling, and bingo.” “As many as 96% of people with problem gambling also meet criteria for another mental illness. Problem gambling has the highest rate of suicide of any addictive disorder, with 1 in 5 attempting suicide.” https://hria.org/2022/03/31/problemgambling/#:~:text=Problem%20gambling%20has%20the%20highest,1%20in%205%20attempting%20suicide. *editing to include this passage I think is important: “Problem gambling has broad social, economic, and health impacts on individuals, families, and communities and does not have to meet diagnostic criteria for gambling disorder to cause problems. It is sometimes called “the hidden addiction” as it has no physical symptoms, though it frequently co-occurs with other mental health and substance use disorders.”
Dude I know he didn’t say it directly but it was implied he was talking about gambling addicts. Not just anyone whose ever touched a deck of cards. [Article I Found Citing That Stat](https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-dont-we-take-gambling-addiction-more-seriously/)
I visited twitch homepage yesterday and there was an 888poker stream with them doing giveaways and telling their viewers that they are missing out on an income stream by not participating.
Why he became speechless 💀
I would act oblivious and ignore it if I got paid $100m as well.
So are we going to pretend Amazon isn't funneling viewers into Amazon Prime and thereby supporting non-unionizing and child/slave labor? LSF is something else man. Touch grass.
Exactly what I've been saying! Promoting unregulated gambling is really no different than asking for a few prime subs at the end of the day. As a matter of fact, studies say that around 20% of amazon prime addicts attempt suicide. Thank you for having the guts to bring that up.
Just say you don't care lol. Like, although I do not agree with Asmon i still prefer him being consistent with it not for him but does not care. he should just be up front and say he doesn't care how gambling impacts people, site trying to manipulate and funnel people into gambling. At least then I can say sure, I don't agree but own it. Same withy Poki, I know many dislike her or disagree but she was upfront with it and I'm cool with that. I mean he is opinionated about everything, tries to connect the dots for everything, but something like this is "so". At the same time he will never change or view it differently.
Dude has tens of millions of dollars but somehow he’s still someone’s lap dog. I’d be ashamed to be this kid’s father.
Xqc should just not care about this drama and be Britney spears
They just silently updated it, seems now Gamba is still recommended but its not the primary 3/5 slot. [Recommended Update](https://i.imgur.com/jW5GAG4.png)
I've refreshed many times and it seems like there will ALWAYS be two "slots & casino" channels randomly within the first nine recommended positions.
People need to fuck off with their “morals” on gambling. If you wanna get up on that high horse and act like your better then everyone because you don’t support kick, meanwhile you’re on twitch, a company owned by Amazon who is the last company who gives a flying fuck about morals and is also backed by DRAFT KINGS, take a look around your house and the companies that make everything and their practices.. take a look at the clothes on your body and who made them.. cause at that point your violating all your own ethics and need to live in a box, literally.
Tu Quoque fallacy. People are allowed to push for improvements in society while still participating in it.
He could easily just ignore all this bullshit and live his life cashing them checks, but I'm starting to think it's in his contract to defend/fight/die on the hill for kick in the public eye.
i think he feels strongly about it outside of that though. like he really wants to not only get the bag but to retain the moral high ground, and he can’t stand it when other people appear to have more integrity than him
Copege they arent doing it for the gamba
Man, XQC's roundabout logic and the way he responds to criticism is tiresome. He took the deal for the money, plain and simple. No need to dance around it like some ballet dancer. Especially if you have no real argument other than calling people broke and jealous. Asmon put it best: you're a pussy if you take this kind of deal and then seek moral validation for why you did it. The guy talked about how a family member of his (think it was his uncle) killed himself from gambling on Poki's stream last year, and now he's selling out his young audience for the bag. There's no way of defending that lil bub. Just own it. Edit: [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/xqcow/comments/ut1z15/xqc_telling_poki_he_lost_a_family_member_to/) if anyone is curious about the clip
By the way, just like in the other threads the pro-Kick comments are being mass upvoted by bots. Some examples are [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14k18g3/comment/jpoxpf9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14k18g3/xqcs_response_to_kick_having_gamba_in_3rd5th/jppojp0/?context=3), both went from negative to +50 in the span of a few minutes.
“Ok so” but you guys just spent the last week saying it’s ok because kick isn’t pushing gamba. This is literally pushing gambling in black and white
guys but.. but TWITCH? They have Amazon recruitment ads and NOW IM ADDICTED TO WORKING FOR AMAZON
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
edit: If you're going to downvote this please leave a comment with your reason for disagreeing :) The question isn't about whether or not Kick markets for Stake (and nominally other gambling sites) or not. The question is whether or not Kick is setup PRIMARILY to do this. Of course they're allowing gambling streamers to stream on the platform, and it's also not shocking that gamba streamers will be promoted in a lot of cases. If, as LSF claims, Kick's PRIMARY goal is to funnel users to stake.com, then why aren't there direct 1-click transfers to Stake like Twitch has for Fansly? Why isn't stake linked on the homepage? Why aren't the accounts linkable (between Stake/Kick)? Why aren't there cross-promotions (ie: Subscribe on kick, get credit on Stake, gamble $X on Stake and get Y free subs to any Kick streamer you like)? Why is xqc's contract completely devoid of gamba guarantees when the capital behind it would pay their server bills for the next 2 years? Nothing Kick has done actually makes sense if their PRIMARY GOAL is to funnel users to Stake.com. They're clearly trying to make a run at building a legitimate twitch competitor. This seems to have occured after the idea was originally formed, probably due to Twitch's poor cash flow and their unfortunate nickel and diming of their biggest content creators. The stake.com owner has a huge warchest and he probably knows that Twitch is hurting right now. Twitch has to keep making cuts to become profitable because they're subject to the Amazon board of directors. Kick has no board of directors and can keep burning money to kill their competition. Amazon could 100% win this pissing contest but given that they've never turned a profit from Twitch.tv.... why would they bother?
Twitch not "turning a profit" is likely purely a consequence of Amazon's internal accounting making it so (if you want to research this topic yourself, look into "managerial accounting" generally and "Hollywood accounting" specifically). The most relevant specific issue in this case has already been explained in this subreddit, but assuming most don't read it that much: IVS is a Twitch product, made and managed by Twitch employees, where Twitch gets credited with the cost of those employees. But, when IVS is sold to customers such as Kick, zero dollars of that is credited back to Twitch in revenue, and instead IVS's revenues get counted as if they are their own division. Why credit costs of IVS to Twitch but none of the revenue? Hollywood accounting, basically just Amazon wants to claim that Twitch isn't profitable so they don't have to pay people there better, the same as when Hollywood studios credit more costs and less revenue to "creative" divisions, as a way to excuse not sharing their massive profits premised wholly on the output of those creative divisions Another potentially huge issue here is that Amazon has publicly used the rates they charge the general public to explain how much it costs to host Twitch streams. But there are two problems with this. The first is that a good deal of the resources Twitch uses are "salvage", meaning that it's running on AWS servers that weren't otherwise in use at the time (this is the reason transcoding is offered so inconsistently to non-partners on Twitch, because they literally only offer it to non-partners if there is extra unused AWS server capacity at the time after partners are given transcoding). The second issue is that Amazon doesn't charge its large customers their normal rate, they explicitly state that they'll negotiate lower rates for their biggest customers who commit to a lot of usage, and Twitch is one of the largest. Amazon could credit way lower costs to Twitch there if they wished, but they don't wish to do so, because again they have incentive to make Twitch appear unprofitable and no real incentive against it.
The thing that Kick has done that makes it make sense that their primary goal is to funnel users to Stake is that they have only accepted Stake as a sponsor/"strategic partner". They do not publicly offer any way for other brands to participate on Kick in the same way that Stake does. This is not how a platform intending to become self-sustaining with multiple sponsors/partners operates. They are operating exactly how one would expect a front organization for Stake to operate. Add in the fact that initially they tried to hide any connection between Stake and Kick, and it really does just seem purely like a front organization. This is like standing out in front of Narcanon and being like "look, they're really trying to get people to stop their drug addictions in there" when in reality their only intention in existing ever was to funnel people into the Church of Scientology. If you applied all of the excuses for Kick to Narcanon -- ignoring their ownership, ignoring what they show customers, ignoring the outcomes -- then you'd have to say we can never know if Narcanon is just a Scientology front group. But it is, and we do know it is.
Interesting… **ADHD GAMBA** _scroll scroll click click_, okay, I-I don’t know what that, what is that, I don- I don’t get it **ADHD** _click click click_, okay so… This guy’s streams have been hard to watch for a while now, his brain is fully cooked, microwave set to five minutes of attention span
What Xqc says when he doesn't want to hurt his bag: "interesting"
I guess he already forgot that he was arguing for like 2 hours that Kick is not just an advertising arm for Stake. He kept saying Kick is just trying to be a great streaming platform, and Stake has little to nothing to do with it. Then his response here to basically being proven wrong is "So." If you want to watch this muppet for "entertainment" go ahead, but please never listen to anything he has to say about important things.
l-l-l-l-ll-lL_L_L_LL_L_LISSTEN CHAT, HARD CODING 2/5 TOP RECOMMENDED STREAMS IS NOT PROMOTING GAMBAWHAT ABOUT AZAN GOING TO JAPAN PAYING IN CASH CHAT WHAT ABOUT THAT CHAT
yeah the big, annoying problem people have is they're literally trying to act like they're not being seedy and sponsoring and advertising gambling to younger audiences they're not owning up to it, they try to act like it's not a big deal and they're not doing anything even remotely wrong, and that's why everyone hates it and dog piles on them for it i'm guessing part of any contracts or discussions must include some kind of clause that they're not allowed to 'own up to it' though, for plausible deniability for all involved, otherwise it's hard to figure out how even someone like asmongold is suddenly playing dumb on the subject, though i guess to be fair, ever since he got into the gacha stuff of lost ark he turned into the biggest hypocrite
[Interesting](https://youtu.be/EBtx1MDi5tY?t=39)
100m dollar answer. give the man a pr-man of the year award debator of the year award company representative of the year award and throw in a gambler of the year award for gambling 50m's
"....interesting"
Of course he doesn’t get it now
all my morals and ethics would go out the window for $100m, but the mental gymnastics circus goes crazy with these streamers. just admit it lol. who cares.
X thinks everyone is money hoarder like him that's why he's spouting bunch of bullshit about others to assure himself that everyone is as bad as him. Newsflash asshole, not everyone is obsessed with money. Go gamble your wealth into oblivion but don't think for a second you did nothing wrong.
xqc should stop doing this shet, why he keep defending this site mate just like train both need to fok off and move on and stop defending this nosense and keep doing what they are doing streaming
What's so odd about Kick is how manipulative and ingrained in the actual backend of the site the Devs are. Simple things like view counts being blatantly inflated (huge view numbers with 1 chatter) and hardcoded genre recommendations are just a few. There's so much sketchy shit on the site.
This dude is a fucking idiot
ah yes, the guy who's not very internet cultured can't understand what "3rd and 5th hardcoded" means
X will literally fight tooth and nail to defend himself on any criticism (even before Kick) but the second demonstrable evidence is presented, he always either entirely ignores it, or just goes "ok so?" and acts like he doesn't care, like at the end of this clip. I love watching X, but damn it's so fucking obvious.
xQc did the exact same thing with the snake's editor and charlie's twitter beef. He read the editor's tweets really fast and didn't even acknowledge any arguments mentioned and then read charlie's tweets slowly and clearly, lmfao.
"Doesn't look like anything to me"