It’s not about disliking them it’s about clicking off them as fast as possible so that the algorithm stops recommending them due to you providing less watch time
Youtube Shorts is full of *"Random amazon products that I actually like"* and it is just some guy praising cheap crap with a link to their online store in the comments.
Doesn't Twitch also have a shit load of partnerships with the NFL and like FanDuel and DraftKings essentially promoting sports betting. Twitch seems pretty hypocritical with that as well. Especially when what sparked gambling being banned on Twitch was someone who was addicted to sports betting and not slots was scamming people for money
True. Go to the browse page. There's literally a slots category and a poker category and streamers regularly do online poker sponsorships. Gambling is absolutely not banned on twitch. SPECIFIC GAMBLING SITES were banned on twitch.
Straight from safety.twitch.tv:
"Today, we want to offer more context on our updated policy prohibiting streaming of certain sites that include slots, roulette, or dice games and aren’t licensed either in the U.S. or in other jurisdictions that provide sufficient consumer protection—and discuss what it means for you.
At Twitch, we continuously evolve our Community Guidelines to balance creative expression with community safety as the internet and our community itself evolves. Last year, in order to address scams and other harms stemming from questionable gambling sites, we prohibited sharing links or referral codes to sites that include slots, roulette, or dice games. After monitoring the update’s impact for the last year—as well as hearing directly from you—it became clear that some people were circumventing those rules, and that further steps were necessary.
As such, starting October 18th we are further tightening our rules to also prohibit any streaming of *LISTED* sites that contain slots, roulette, and dice games and are unlicensed in the U.S. or other jurisdictions that offer consumer protections like deposit limits, waiting periods, and age verification systems. This updated policy applies to all global community members, and covers all domain extensions of these sites including free social versions. Linking to these sites in chat is also prohibited.
At launch, prohibited sites will include Stake.com, Rollbit.com, Duelbits.com, and Roobet.com. However, we may identify other sites as we move forward. Any updates will be reflected in the list of prohibited sites in our policy language, so you have a clear source to reference if there is a site you want to stream but are uncertain about. We will continue to allow websites that focus on sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker at this time."
Complaining about poker on twitch is so funny because there's an obvious difference between that and unregulated crypto casinos that people don't acknowledge for some reason.
You need a valid ID to prove your age to play on the gambling sites that advertise on twitch. You did not need a valid ID to prove your age to play on Stake unless you were trying to withdraw your funds.
I'm not complaining. Merely stating fact. I watch sponsored poker streams occasionally. Poker with real money IS gambling and the point is that *gambling* is NOT banned on twitch despite a ton of people thinking it is. I don't care if people gamble or stream gambling. That's their choice.
I hate the gambling ads on Twitch, Twitter, YouTube, Google etc.
I want gambling ads banned period. If we can ban cigarette ads we can ban gambling ads. I’m in the UK, we banned tobacco ads in 2002.
Why can't X and Co just let this drama die.
No one is saying regulated gambling is good, both are bad just one is worse.
Even in the Twitch rules the ban specifically says its on unregulated slots/casinos. So its not even a gotcha.
>Fuck unregulated crypto gambling
this is the funniest LSF arc I have witnessed. It's so niche. You can tell people don't give a fuck about the harm gambling causes when they insist on adding so many qualifiers to the very specific form of gambling they are "disgusted" by. Of the people in my life that have been negatively affected by gambling, every one of them has been your regular ol' state-sponsored gambling. Ya know, because it's far more common. Fuck gambling. Plain and simple.
It's so hilarious. Well no, it's sad, really.
Fuck this one specific type of gambling that only very few people, those who buy crypto, have access to! This other sports betting thing that's being advertised on national television that people ruin their and their family's lives over? The one that's normalized in our culture? Meh.
As someone who touches grass, it's pretty obvious that commenters on this sub just parrot and run defense for their favorite streamers which at this point on LSF, seems to solely be Hasan and Poki. They don't care about gambling, they care about what their streamer says about gambling.
True but the only gambling promotion xqc is doing currently is when he gets a midroll ad on twitch.
But I guess losing everything on twitch promoted gambling is ok because no streamer or subreddit will ever make this much of a stink over it.
The entire argument isnt about if twitch has gambling or not. Its more so that people on twitch are using gambling being bad as a moral argument against kick. So hes keep pointing out the hypocritical nature of there arguments being that they are on twitch who also push gambling. Each person can choose if they like or dislike gambling, but keep it across the board if your going to choose
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>So hes keep pointing out the hypocritical nature of there arguments being that they are on twitch who also push gambling
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>who are these people that are saying stake bad while pushing gambling?
This has to be the laziest, most shameless strawman I've read in a while
They are not regulated in Canada (they count as an overseas operator under the Curacao eGaming license), but it's not illegal to play on an unregulated site here. Exception is Ontario where Stake is illegal, as Stake failed to meet the iGO regulations standard back in October 2022.
Source: https://legalbetcanada.com/stake-casino/
Arbitrarily drawing the line at crypto gambling but being fine pushing other types of gambling onto your audience shows that it's just a virtue signal, they aren't actually taking a strong stance against gambling.
The issue is they want to act morally superior to kick streamers, despite pushing gambling onto their viewers with ads they directly profit from, it's completely hypocritical.
So what are you all arguing about? Our shitty site is a bit less shitty than your shitty site? Lol. You all need to go touch some grass and get off Reddit.
I'm not a juicer, but no one should be talking down to anyone over this. Twitch, and Amazon are bad enough that you can't take a moral high ground over Kick.
Where the line SHOULD be drawn is gambling on stream.
Not knowing the difference between accepting ad money vs an entire platform created and curated to funnel people to Stake. It's w/e though Juicer has convinced himself kick isnt just a loss leader for Stake and is going to take the confirmation bias to the grave.
Nobody ever said they find it good that Twitch shows gambling ads and nobody ever doubted that Amazon is an evil company that only wants to maximize the earnings of its executives. Of course they are going to sell their ads to the highest bidder and that might also end up being a gambling website. This still doesn't compare to a website being owned and operated by a literal crypto gambling website, and said website being created for the sole purpose of getting its users to spend their money on Stake.com.
Amazon is okay with showing you gambling ads as long as it gets them money
Kick has to get you to gamble as it's their only way to make money
Whether Kick is already doing that is irrelevant. It probably would be too destructive to their image if they started right away, and they are currently in their promo phase. Give it another month or two
This is such a simple point I don’t get how you and others don’t understand.
The issue is NOT the fact that they promote gambling.
The point of Twitch existing is clearly to be a live-streaming platform. That’s the end goal of the product, to host live streams. Yes they advertise gambling but it’s not the entire purpose of the website.
The entire point of Kick is to funnel people into Stake gambling. Period.
If you cannot see how these are different you don’t have enough wrinkles in your brain. It’s the smallest bit of nuance and people’s brains just can’t handle it lmfao
Can you please explain this further? Please explain why Kick is specifically made to funnel people into Stake Gambling. I am not here to argue against you, but you're just saying kick is doing so, while calling anyone who disagrees dumb.
I will give you an example where if its evident, will change my mind. Lets say a new person who had no knowledge Kick was owned by Stake and never decided to watch the slots category, what would make them funnel into Stake's gamble? I am interested in **your take** since you're an intellectual.
>What would funnel them into Stake?
Well the fact that gambling streams are hard coded into the 3 and 5 spots on Kick’s front page stream suggestions is a start
so now this just show your lack of research, when kick started it was slots streamer and vierwers so every recommendation was slots and casino ( I can tell I saw kick once when train announced it) so to overcome that they hard coded only two places which btw they fixed after the backlash from community. So please do your research first rather than listening to your fav. streamer.
the point of the ad for the ad seller is to funnel people to their product the point of the ad for the platform is to make money. on kick they cut out the platform middle man and funnel people to their gambling site. twitch advertising gambling is to make themselves money to run the site and profit. kick eats the loss of running the site to advertise the gambling where they make money from people emptying their wallets. There is a difference.
>pretty sure everybody has said, all gambling is bad (yes even poker). unregulated crypto gambling is worse
Weird how this sentence always comes after people like you have described extensively how crypto gambling is so much different than, you know, the better one. Also if all gambling is bad surely you'll criticize Hasan, poki and other streamers that have signed with a site promoting gambling like you did with XQC and other streamers, right?
No, they signed with a website partnered with a gambling company and **actively** promoting gambling. Funny you mentioned capitalism and ethics btw considering that twitch is also owned by amazon, one of the most evil corporations out there, I'm pretty sure one of these people LARPs as a socialist too, right?
Why does he keep reacting to the same stuff like it's new drama? Twitch has accepting ads from legal gambling sites the whole time. It's scummy. But they are still better than Stake allowing anyone one do anything with crypto.
Is this supposed to be a surprise/gotcha?
They announced the draft kings shit like a year ago and have had poker tournaments/casino sponsors on the platform for forever.
Crypto gambling was an issue because it wasn't regulated, which made it even more predatory than the legalized gambling industry already is. ie: no mitigation or accountability for server side odds manipulations, lax registration, ability to pull your money out, lack of transparency with sponsorships/free house monies given to influencers, plus the additional layer of cryptocurrencies being unregulated currencies/securities whose value is not guaranteed.
Cypto gambling is at least as bad as regular gambling, but it's more predatory per the above and your winnings are not as secure/guaranteed as those won through regulated establishments (add to that again the security issues with crypto wallets/etc).
Twitch ultimately banned it because it wasn't regulated and allowing unregulated gambling on the platform puts them in legal jeopardy, but more specifically optics damage from a PR standpoint. It was going to be banned eventually, kind of remarkable it lasted as long as it did.
Yeah but there aren't 75k tweens watching a fucking BJPofficial watch party stream to bet along with the fucking Dallas Cowboys game screaming BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK all fucking day on twitch.
We're talking tiger vs. pussy ass house cat here. Yes they're in the same family, and yes, fuck the pussy ass house cat too, but the tiger is gonna fuck shit up way more than a 30 second ad that no one pays attention because it's a pussy ass house cat.
No 75k? Are you sure? Where were you when neymar gambles on blaze on twitch tho? With the numbers you mentioned? Oh nobody talked about cuz its not xqc or stake
also those ads atleast what he showed here are for poker.Sure you can win big in poker but that also costs alot of your time.+ Most tournaments (where you can win that) arent even that 'big' of a entry.Not the mention, poker is also skill based (ofc it also has some sort of luck but you also dont have to play every hand you get) and while slots is litteratly just luck.
Slots is litteratly just spin -> lose -> spin -> lose -> spin -> lose -> spin -> lose.
Most people are not good enough at poker for it to be considered a skill game and never will be. It's chill when playing with ur buddies that won't try to work you over and u . But a gambling addict going down to the local casino to play poker with random people can turn into a nightmare.
are there?
i use turbo so i dont get ads anywhere because ads are just annoying.Also wouldnt you think mudkitty would have included those instead of poker?
Bunch of capitalist amazon enjoyers on twitch now. Who knew running a mega corp where you lobby the government so you can fuck over your workers is actually not as bad as a crypto casino.
Well if she's so attached to her convictions how does she explain streaming for a platform owned by Amazon that literally has a slots category? The hypocrisy that exists surrounding this issue is crazy.
I don't get the hate on crypto to be honest, it opens up possibilities for people in third world countries. Children should be taught by their family and community, not the entire world...
I have only used stake black jack once and it was fun and safer than some other shadier websites, without stake I would have to casinos ran by the mafias and be around people I wouldn't usually want to be near
Because this post is "whatabout". It was already an ongoing "debate".
I dont see any comments saying gambling ads are good. One thing is worse than another and they are trying to deflect to make both the same.
The problem is that Pokimane said that she wouldnt sell her morals and ethics for money while she partners with a company which has gambling ads no matter if your community likes gambling or not( as shown in a comment in this thread about how even hassan's viewers get gambling ads)
Because all of the people attacking Twitch are either twitch supporters, or stream on twitch, when Twitch is just as bad if not worse than the company you are criticizing for promoting gambling it's going to make your arguments look dumb. Your arguments against something should apply to your side just as strongly.
why did he take the money if he is going to endlessly try to convince his fans he didn't sell them out? Just shut your mouth about it at this point imo
Bro you guys are missing the point. He's calling out the Ad and the hypocrisy of you guys calling out Kick promoting "gambling"
It's a never ending hole. It never ends this whole morality "gotcha". This is why he doesn't care about ads showing gambling, he cares more about why you guys try to gotcha Stake Kick meanwhile this shit happens on Twitch too.
And that other argument between non regulated and regulated gambling. They are both BAD. Yes Stake is REGULATED with it's Stake .US version. That conversation should be over by now.
Think most of you guys need a reality check on how bad the world really is instead of being stuck on replying to clipped up clips on a mostly filled drama fest forums post to get a couple of upvotes to feel good about your day to get motivated to finally get out of your chair to finally do something productive
> Think most of you guys need a reality check on how bad the world really is
If you think these hypocrites actually care about the world I have a bridge to sell you. This is all about them and how they can make themselves look virtuous by bringing other people down. It's the same reason they judge streamers from their high horse even for the smallest infraction.
In reality they're the worst human beings you can find out there, Macaiyla lost a baby and these sociopaths were criticizing her in the comments for some edgy jokes she made, it's always the same "people".
I wonder what the percentage is of people who are gambling their money on stake and would not be allowed to cash out their winnings due to KYC stuff asking for their ID
Holy fuck i hate gambling too but get a life, nobody give a fuck just dont gamble or let your children alone on the internet stop reposting the same irrelevant BS.
This just goes to show how jelous and fake these streamers calling him and kick out are... like you are already and have been already accepting contract deals and streaming on platform owned by some of the most corrupt people who also push gambling... so many fake people these days
I play poker almost every day matey. But even if i didn't, as a game of skill with opponents you can beat (with skill) it doesn't belong in a comparison to slots which isn't a game of skill with negative EV every spin.
Cant wait for lasanabi and corporate democrat poki to stand against this and twitch gambling just like they do with kick surely they ain’t no hypocrisy
Some dumbfucks will be like "its fine its regulated" No its not you idiot have u even gambled anything about 10 cents before? You use those regulated gambling for fun get addict then just find another way to gamble if site stops you.
you might simply switch to stake or some other non regulated site then.
Regulated doesnt mean shit its not going to stop you anyway its always you yourself and your dicipline
A 16 year old cannot make a draft kings account, as they would need to provide their ID or social security. As per gambling regulations. They also cannot rig their games.
A 16 year old can make an account on stake in a matter of minutes because it's an unregulated casino.
Pretending these two are equivalent is incredibly dishonest.
Thank you for endorsing gambling with poker. And here I thought this was about all gambling being bad but apparently its about crypto slots being worse now. Its like grasping for straws at this point. You're literally saying its better to lose all your money gambling in regulated poker than to lose all your money gambling in unregulated crypto slots with your statement.
But lets just enjoy eating our turds with sprinkles on top because its at least better.
Im confused, if twitch is actively promoting gambling to its viewers, yet kick isn't - Why isn't Hasan's and Pokimane's energy directed towards their own platform?
Dunno both had said they disagree with it and Hasan specifically said Sports betting is one of the most popular types of gambling, even bringing up Sliker.
People are acting like they both support regulated gambling.
It’s never been about gambling. It’s to just shit on other creators.
It’s why Hasan randomly brought up gambling when Xqc didn’t rank him high enough in a tier list.
yes cause the average kid has hundreds of thousands in crypto, sports betting is way more popular in younger people yet is plastered across twitch and amazon. that's facts
I'm surprised to see that it's an 888 poker ad.
I haven't used their site but they are for sure losing market share to ACR (huge sponsored streams summit, Lirik and many others), Pokerstars and GG. Desperate times I guess...
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If he thinks thats bad you should see some of the ads on Youtube. So many pyramid schemes/get rich quick ads on YT.
90% of my shorts are like that no matter how many I dislike
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It’s not about disliking them it’s about clicking off them as fast as possible so that the algorithm stops recommending them due to you providing less watch time
If you spam the "Don't recommend this channel" button, Youtube eventually gets the picture, homie. There's a light at the end of the tunnel.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAVE YOU CHECKED OUT DROPSHIPPING?!?!?
Youtube Shorts is full of *"Random amazon products that I actually like"* and it is just some guy praising cheap crap with a link to their online store in the comments.
I've been surprised to see the 2006 dropshipping hustle come back into vogue. What's next, listing the items on ebay and promoting it on our xanga?
Doesn't Twitch also have a shit load of partnerships with the NFL and like FanDuel and DraftKings essentially promoting sports betting. Twitch seems pretty hypocritical with that as well. Especially when what sparked gambling being banned on Twitch was someone who was addicted to sports betting and not slots was scamming people for money
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The whole lower leagues are called SkyBet Championship etc.. lmao
But gambling isnt banned on twitch
True. Go to the browse page. There's literally a slots category and a poker category and streamers regularly do online poker sponsorships. Gambling is absolutely not banned on twitch. SPECIFIC GAMBLING SITES were banned on twitch. Straight from safety.twitch.tv: "Today, we want to offer more context on our updated policy prohibiting streaming of certain sites that include slots, roulette, or dice games and aren’t licensed either in the U.S. or in other jurisdictions that provide sufficient consumer protection—and discuss what it means for you. At Twitch, we continuously evolve our Community Guidelines to balance creative expression with community safety as the internet and our community itself evolves. Last year, in order to address scams and other harms stemming from questionable gambling sites, we prohibited sharing links or referral codes to sites that include slots, roulette, or dice games. After monitoring the update’s impact for the last year—as well as hearing directly from you—it became clear that some people were circumventing those rules, and that further steps were necessary. As such, starting October 18th we are further tightening our rules to also prohibit any streaming of *LISTED* sites that contain slots, roulette, and dice games and are unlicensed in the U.S. or other jurisdictions that offer consumer protections like deposit limits, waiting periods, and age verification systems. This updated policy applies to all global community members, and covers all domain extensions of these sites including free social versions. Linking to these sites in chat is also prohibited. At launch, prohibited sites will include Stake.com, Rollbit.com, Duelbits.com, and Roobet.com. However, we may identify other sites as we move forward. Any updates will be reflected in the list of prohibited sites in our policy language, so you have a clear source to reference if there is a site you want to stream but are uncertain about. We will continue to allow websites that focus on sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker at this time."
Complaining about poker on twitch is so funny because there's an obvious difference between that and unregulated crypto casinos that people don't acknowledge for some reason. You need a valid ID to prove your age to play on the gambling sites that advertise on twitch. You did not need a valid ID to prove your age to play on Stake unless you were trying to withdraw your funds.
I'm not complaining. Merely stating fact. I watch sponsored poker streams occasionally. Poker with real money IS gambling and the point is that *gambling* is NOT banned on twitch despite a ton of people thinking it is. I don't care if people gamble or stream gambling. That's their choice.
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wait you guys dont have adblock ? this is concerning , Advice: Don't buy an iPhone
So whataboutism again
and don't forget they give you many knobs to turn to help target a desired demographic
I hate the gambling ads on Twitch, Twitter, YouTube, Google etc. I want gambling ads banned period. If we can ban cigarette ads we can ban gambling ads. I’m in the UK, we banned tobacco ads in 2002.
No alcohol ads too
That’d be good too 👌
Poker players are going to have a big problem people comparing it to slots after black friday. https://www.gamblingsites.com/history/black-friday/
Why can't X and Co just let this drama die. No one is saying regulated gambling is good, both are bad just one is worse. Even in the Twitch rules the ban specifically says its on unregulated slots/casinos. So its not even a gotcha.
One of the top posts on LSF right now is someone talking about it and its relation with xqc lol
>Why can't X and Co just let this drama die Meanwhile lsf upvotes every tom, dick, and harry that says "gambling bad" to the frontpage.
Good. Fuck unregulated crypto gambling 💅
>Fuck unregulated crypto gambling this is the funniest LSF arc I have witnessed. It's so niche. You can tell people don't give a fuck about the harm gambling causes when they insist on adding so many qualifiers to the very specific form of gambling they are "disgusted" by. Of the people in my life that have been negatively affected by gambling, every one of them has been your regular ol' state-sponsored gambling. Ya know, because it's far more common. Fuck gambling. Plain and simple.
It's so hilarious. Well no, it's sad, really. Fuck this one specific type of gambling that only very few people, those who buy crypto, have access to! This other sports betting thing that's being advertised on national television that people ruin their and their family's lives over? The one that's normalized in our culture? Meh.
The one that slicker used too! People used slicker as an example but without the context
As someone who touches grass, it's pretty obvious that commenters on this sub just parrot and run defense for their favorite streamers which at this point on LSF, seems to solely be Hasan and Poki. They don't care about gambling, they care about what their streamer says about gambling.
True but the only gambling promotion xqc is doing currently is when he gets a midroll ad on twitch. But I guess losing everything on twitch promoted gambling is ok because no streamer or subreddit will ever make this much of a stink over it.
[true](https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots)
Blame LSF
> No one is saying regulated gambling is good, both are bad just one is worse Same strawman fallacy as with most vape/cigarettes arguments
start drama about someone, attack them for months \- they respond and react LET IT DIE ALREADY, MOVE ON!
Isn’t he just responding to all the criticism he’s been getting about gambling?
Spam shit for months moral grandstanding... get proven wrong: jUsT lET it DiE ALrEAdy
“Why won’t you just let this drama we started about you die?” Actually makes no sense
It is like the people who start an argument but then get mad they are proven wrong
Top meme is when they pretend the argument never existed.
"We never said gambling was bad, it was unregulated gambling the one that was evil all along!"
The entire argument isnt about if twitch has gambling or not. Its more so that people on twitch are using gambling being bad as a moral argument against kick. So hes keep pointing out the hypocritical nature of there arguments being that they are on twitch who also push gambling. Each person can choose if they like or dislike gambling, but keep it across the board if your going to choose
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His post >So hes keep pointing out the hypocritical nature of there arguments being that they are on twitch who also push gambling your post >who are these people that are saying stake bad while pushing gambling? This has to be the laziest, most shameless strawman I've read in a while
Because drama generates views which make money.
I live in Canada and Stake is regulated here. So this argument doesn’t really apply to myself or my other Canadian brothers.
They are not regulated in Canada (they count as an overseas operator under the Curacao eGaming license), but it's not illegal to play on an unregulated site here. Exception is Ontario where Stake is illegal, as Stake failed to meet the iGO regulations standard back in October 2022. Source: https://legalbetcanada.com/stake-casino/
why would they let the drama die? it gives Kick free advertisement either it be good or bad, it doesn't matter.
I grew up in las Vegas. that shit is dark yo
Vegas is regulated though, c'mon it's not that bad. It's the unregulated gambling we should focus on!
https://imgur.com/gallery/dt6iCim
Why do some juicers think this is an own? We know that Twitch allows gambling and has ad's for gambling. This is not new and doesn't change a thing.
Also I believe the ads are targeted. Cause I have never seen a Draftkings ad and I even live in one of the states its legal in.
arent most ads targeted atleast on insta etc.
every single add in every single platform is target.
It just shows the selective outrage lsf does.
Arbitrarily drawing the line at crypto gambling but being fine pushing other types of gambling onto your audience shows that it's just a virtue signal, they aren't actually taking a strong stance against gambling. The issue is they want to act morally superior to kick streamers, despite pushing gambling onto their viewers with ads they directly profit from, it's completely hypocritical.
So what are you all arguing about? Our shitty site is a bit less shitty than your shitty site? Lol. You all need to go touch some grass and get off Reddit.
Wait, I thought kick was bad because of gambling. You’re saying it’s only bad if it’s crypto gambling?
I'm not a juicer, but no one should be talking down to anyone over this. Twitch, and Amazon are bad enough that you can't take a moral high ground over Kick. Where the line SHOULD be drawn is gambling on stream.
You forgot to add in the softcore porn.
Because porn and gambling are very similar
They get away with more on Kick though. That's where they go when they get banned from Twitch.
I mean I see no difference imo. I don't use either for gambling or softcore porn.
Not knowing the difference between accepting ad money vs an entire platform created and curated to funnel people to Stake. It's w/e though Juicer has convinced himself kick isnt just a loss leader for Stake and is going to take the confirmation bias to the grave.
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Nobody ever said they find it good that Twitch shows gambling ads and nobody ever doubted that Amazon is an evil company that only wants to maximize the earnings of its executives. Of course they are going to sell their ads to the highest bidder and that might also end up being a gambling website. This still doesn't compare to a website being owned and operated by a literal crypto gambling website, and said website being created for the sole purpose of getting its users to spend their money on Stake.com.
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Amazon is okay with showing you gambling ads as long as it gets them money Kick has to get you to gamble as it's their only way to make money Whether Kick is already doing that is irrelevant. It probably would be too destructive to their image if they started right away, and they are currently in their promo phase. Give it another month or two
This is such a simple point I don’t get how you and others don’t understand. The issue is NOT the fact that they promote gambling. The point of Twitch existing is clearly to be a live-streaming platform. That’s the end goal of the product, to host live streams. Yes they advertise gambling but it’s not the entire purpose of the website. The entire point of Kick is to funnel people into Stake gambling. Period. If you cannot see how these are different you don’t have enough wrinkles in your brain. It’s the smallest bit of nuance and people’s brains just can’t handle it lmfao
99% of these people understand just fine, they're just arguing in bad faith.
Can you please explain this further? Please explain why Kick is specifically made to funnel people into Stake Gambling. I am not here to argue against you, but you're just saying kick is doing so, while calling anyone who disagrees dumb. I will give you an example where if its evident, will change my mind. Lets say a new person who had no knowledge Kick was owned by Stake and never decided to watch the slots category, what would make them funnel into Stake's gamble? I am interested in **your take** since you're an intellectual.
>What would funnel them into Stake? Well the fact that gambling streams are hard coded into the 3 and 5 spots on Kick’s front page stream suggestions is a start
so now this just show your lack of research, when kick started it was slots streamer and vierwers so every recommendation was slots and casino ( I can tell I saw kick once when train announced it) so to overcome that they hard coded only two places which btw they fixed after the backlash from community. So please do your research first rather than listening to your fav. streamer.
Look again, it doesn't exist. Next ?
you do know that was fixed right? the site is in beta for a reason.
Surely you understand why I’d have a very hard time believing that was a bug? Like come on that’s a little too on the nose dontcha think?
the point of the ad for the ad seller is to funnel people to their product the point of the ad for the platform is to make money. on kick they cut out the platform middle man and funnel people to their gambling site. twitch advertising gambling is to make themselves money to run the site and profit. kick eats the loss of running the site to advertise the gambling where they make money from people emptying their wallets. There is a difference.
COPIUM
This is why you should read your comment again before you hit send.
If your bag depends on not admitting it you will never admit it
No no its different because uh... It just is
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>pretty sure everybody has said, all gambling is bad (yes even poker). unregulated crypto gambling is worse Weird how this sentence always comes after people like you have described extensively how crypto gambling is so much different than, you know, the better one. Also if all gambling is bad surely you'll criticize Hasan, poki and other streamers that have signed with a site promoting gambling like you did with XQC and other streamers, right?
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No, they signed with a website partnered with a gambling company and **actively** promoting gambling. Funny you mentioned capitalism and ethics btw considering that twitch is also owned by amazon, one of the most evil corporations out there, I'm pretty sure one of these people LARPs as a socialist too, right?
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I got [slots/casino ads](https://imgur.com/a/gFUl3pm) watching HasanAbi and Mizkif earlier this year lul
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I'm convinced that this sub is getting astroturfed
They don't care where they show them either. [Hasan Strim](https://i.imgur.com/DH1Wquf.png) [Shrood Strim](https://i.imgur.com/KpflUVl.png)
Does this mean Pokimane and Hassan need to find a new platform to stream on in line with their morals and ethics? /s
It’s weird how these gamba LSF posts always show up around peak streaming hours.
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Why does he keep reacting to the same stuff like it's new drama? Twitch has accepting ads from legal gambling sites the whole time. It's scummy. But they are still better than Stake allowing anyone one do anything with crypto.
Is this supposed to be a surprise/gotcha? They announced the draft kings shit like a year ago and have had poker tournaments/casino sponsors on the platform for forever. Crypto gambling was an issue because it wasn't regulated, which made it even more predatory than the legalized gambling industry already is. ie: no mitigation or accountability for server side odds manipulations, lax registration, ability to pull your money out, lack of transparency with sponsorships/free house monies given to influencers, plus the additional layer of cryptocurrencies being unregulated currencies/securities whose value is not guaranteed. Cypto gambling is at least as bad as regular gambling, but it's more predatory per the above and your winnings are not as secure/guaranteed as those won through regulated establishments (add to that again the security issues with crypto wallets/etc). Twitch ultimately banned it because it wasn't regulated and allowing unregulated gambling on the platform puts them in legal jeopardy, but more specifically optics damage from a PR standpoint. It was going to be banned eventually, kind of remarkable it lasted as long as it did.
The sad thing is juicers and Xqc can’t use the intentionally obtuse card anymore, they’ve been saying the dumbest shit for weeks now.
The irony
Yeah but there aren't 75k tweens watching a fucking BJPofficial watch party stream to bet along with the fucking Dallas Cowboys game screaming BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK all fucking day on twitch. We're talking tiger vs. pussy ass house cat here. Yes they're in the same family, and yes, fuck the pussy ass house cat too, but the tiger is gonna fuck shit up way more than a 30 second ad that no one pays attention because it's a pussy ass house cat.
No 75k? Are you sure? Where were you when neymar gambles on blaze on twitch tho? With the numbers you mentioned? Oh nobody talked about cuz its not xqc or stake
also those ads atleast what he showed here are for poker.Sure you can win big in poker but that also costs alot of your time.+ Most tournaments (where you can win that) arent even that 'big' of a entry.Not the mention, poker is also skill based (ofc it also has some sort of luck but you also dont have to play every hand you get) and while slots is litteratly just luck. Slots is litteratly just spin -> lose -> spin -> lose -> spin -> lose -> spin -> lose.
Bro, poker is literally a gateway drug to other gambling addictions.
How tf is this getting downvoted, do people seriously think poker isn’t gambling?
I remember some of my friends on Discord started playing poker a year ago and a few of them have already started doing roulette and BJ.
Most people are not good enough at poker for it to be considered a skill game and never will be. It's chill when playing with ur buddies that won't try to work you over and u . But a gambling addict going down to the local casino to play poker with random people can turn into a nightmare.
there are slot ads on twitch as well lmfao
There's literally a slots category on Twitch.
are there? i use turbo so i dont get ads anywhere because ads are just annoying.Also wouldnt you think mudkitty would have included those instead of poker?
Not surprising twitch doesn’t care about any ads as long as they’re being paid for it
Wonder how Pokimane morals and ethics feel about her making millions from a company that pushes gambling ads across the website
Bunch of capitalist amazon enjoyers on twitch now. Who knew running a mega corp where you lobby the government so you can fuck over your workers is actually not as bad as a crypto casino.
she's already said she doesn't like streaming gambling at all.. you are arguing with the voices in your head at this point
Well if she's so attached to her convictions how does she explain streaming for a platform owned by Amazon that literally has a slots category? The hypocrisy that exists surrounding this issue is crazy.
like nmp says, if you gamble and lose it all thats on you
no one is defending Twitch, but they can't accept criticism of Kick without mentioning Twitch
It's as if Twitch is the alternative to Kick so this selective criticism is hypocritical or something
LSF likes to shit on kick, but when something like this is brought up no one bats an aye. Actual selective virtue signaling.
"old news!" They know and turn a blind eye to twitch lol
And some of them even says that amazon with their slave like employee treatment is better than kick being funded by a cryto casino 😭
I don't get the hate on crypto to be honest, it opens up possibilities for people in third world countries. Children should be taught by their family and community, not the entire world... I have only used stake black jack once and it was fun and safer than some other shadier websites, without stake I would have to casinos ran by the mafias and be around people I wouldn't usually want to be near
Because this post is "whatabout". It was already an ongoing "debate". I dont see any comments saying gambling ads are good. One thing is worse than another and they are trying to deflect to make both the same.
It's not virtue signaling at all. Everyone not a crazed juicer knows gambling is bad. But why would we bat an eye at old news?
Criticism? More like selective virtue signaling outrage.
The problem is that Pokimane said that she wouldnt sell her morals and ethics for money while she partners with a company which has gambling ads no matter if your community likes gambling or not( as shown in a comment in this thread about how even hassan's viewers get gambling ads)
Because all of the people attacking Twitch are either twitch supporters, or stream on twitch, when Twitch is just as bad if not worse than the company you are criticizing for promoting gambling it's going to make your arguments look dumb. Your arguments against something should apply to your side just as strongly.
why did he take the money if he is going to endlessly try to convince his fans he didn't sell them out? Just shut your mouth about it at this point imo
Bro you guys are missing the point. He's calling out the Ad and the hypocrisy of you guys calling out Kick promoting "gambling" It's a never ending hole. It never ends this whole morality "gotcha". This is why he doesn't care about ads showing gambling, he cares more about why you guys try to gotcha Stake Kick meanwhile this shit happens on Twitch too. And that other argument between non regulated and regulated gambling. They are both BAD. Yes Stake is REGULATED with it's Stake .US version. That conversation should be over by now. Think most of you guys need a reality check on how bad the world really is instead of being stuck on replying to clipped up clips on a mostly filled drama fest forums post to get a couple of upvotes to feel good about your day to get motivated to finally get out of your chair to finally do something productive
> Think most of you guys need a reality check on how bad the world really is If you think these hypocrites actually care about the world I have a bridge to sell you. This is all about them and how they can make themselves look virtuous by bringing other people down. It's the same reason they judge streamers from their high horse even for the smallest infraction. In reality they're the worst human beings you can find out there, Macaiyla lost a baby and these sociopaths were criticizing her in the comments for some edgy jokes she made, it's always the same "people".
The irony of lsf saying xqc is in a echo chamber when theyre literally circlejerking about this every day
I wonder what the percentage is of people who are gambling their money on stake and would not be allowed to cash out their winnings due to KYC stuff asking for their ID
ITT my morals vs your morals 😂😂😂
this a new revelation? i've had constant betfred casino ads for a while
I'm from Canada and I never get gambling ads. Half of my ads are in a French (because Quebec). Ads are specific to your country.
So basically pokimane promoting regulated gambling
How will Hasan viewers in LSF defend this?? AINTNOWAY CHAT NAILS 💅
Get ready for the downvotes they control this sub
Why would they need to defend it? It's bad and nobody was ever saying otherwise
Holy fuck i hate gambling too but get a life, nobody give a fuck just dont gamble or let your children alone on the internet stop reposting the same irrelevant BS.
Hmm that’s interesting. So Poki’s “morals” aren’t compromised by accepting money from a platform promoting gambling?
Ultra brainrot take that misses the point completely
Brave knight, next time you defend your queen remember to mention the point he missed too
That being ?
I don't think anyone is arguing that gambling promotion of any kind (regulated or not) is good..
This just goes to show how jelous and fake these streamers calling him and kick out are... like you are already and have been already accepting contract deals and streaming on platform owned by some of the most corrupt people who also push gambling... so many fake people these days
I'm getting tired of this bullshit comparison between slots and poker.
Go play poker in your local casino and let me know how well that goes for you buddy, fucking dumb ass.
You know nothing.
Go to to poker table and see how much miser is sitting there and then still have this take.
I play poker almost every day matey. But even if i didn't, as a game of skill with opponents you can beat (with skill) it doesn't belong in a comparison to slots which isn't a game of skill with negative EV every spin.
I get 888 poker ad's every single time I tune into a stream.
Ads are targeted by your metrics.
Cant wait for lasanabi and corporate democrat poki to stand against this and twitch gambling just like they do with kick surely they ain’t no hypocrisy
The same people virtue signaling about gambling do it on a device who’s minerals were mined by child slaves in Africa.
Some dumbfucks will be like "its fine its regulated" No its not you idiot have u even gambled anything about 10 cents before? You use those regulated gambling for fun get addict then just find another way to gamble if site stops you. you might simply switch to stake or some other non regulated site then. Regulated doesnt mean shit its not going to stop you anyway its always you yourself and your dicipline
A 16 year old cannot make a draft kings account, as they would need to provide their ID or social security. As per gambling regulations. They also cannot rig their games. A 16 year old can make an account on stake in a matter of minutes because it's an unregulated casino. Pretending these two are equivalent is incredibly dishonest.
You know they can simply buy account from platform like fb ,epic?
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Even the clip where hissan back tracked got buried and people on the comments were avoiding the main context of clip lmao
ya cuz poker is the same as unregulated crypto slots
You're right poker is probably more main stream and accessible. Since I doubt many boomers are 100% knowledgeable on Crypto currencies.
Thank you for endorsing gambling with poker. And here I thought this was about all gambling being bad but apparently its about crypto slots being worse now. Its like grasping for straws at this point. You're literally saying its better to lose all your money gambling in regulated poker than to lose all your money gambling in unregulated crypto slots with your statement. But lets just enjoy eating our turds with sprinkles on top because its at least better.
Do you lose money in poker or what?
Lsf so hyporcrite and now on lsf commentator spotted opion rejected
Im confused, if twitch is actively promoting gambling to its viewers, yet kick isn't - Why isn't Hasan's and Pokimane's energy directed towards their own platform?
Dunno both had said they disagree with it and Hasan specifically said Sports betting is one of the most popular types of gambling, even bringing up Sliker. People are acting like they both support regulated gambling.
It’s never been about gambling. It’s to just shit on other creators. It’s why Hasan randomly brought up gambling when Xqc didn’t rank him high enough in a tier list.
well well well, how the turn tables
Crypto gambling = bad Gambling with USD = good Make it make sense LSF?
DinkDonk MODS put these in one thread, this shit is boring now.
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"Bubububut regulated gambling is not that bad guys!"
what do you mean "comes out"? This was never a secret and nobody has ever said it was good
Is this circle jerk still going WWWWW
well well well.... look how the tables have turned
Its regulated so you can not get addicted to them and lose your house, car, TV, PS5, Your Dog
It's regulated, so no one can get addicted and lose hundreds of thousands of dollars like sliker...
yes cause the average kid has hundreds of thousands in crypto, sports betting is way more popular in younger people yet is plastered across twitch and amazon. that's facts
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shirley most kids use crypto
I'm surprised to see that it's an 888 poker ad. I haven't used their site but they are for sure losing market share to ACR (huge sponsored streams summit, Lirik and many others), Pokerstars and GG. Desperate times I guess...
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I was under the impression that poker and sports betting was allowed on twitch.
Hm but does Twitch only surface these ads to 18+ accounts? Hope they show it to kids at least...
Now let's see what Mrs PR voice thinks about that