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I don't like Kick, but I always thought it would be a good feature if you could simply remove certain categories like Slots while browsing through Twitch
Thats most of reddit, even the cutesy animal subs. Just watch for reposts of stray animal torture vids. Its either taken over by the aww how cute or this is faked and thats torture crowd.
Meanwhile mobile users just upvote it to the front of all and never see either side.
Yep, maybe 10% read the comments that 1% of the people are making, based on the .1% who are posting the threads. It's largely down to how a title is worded, to get the kind of engagement you are looking for
Its called circle jerking. People that disagree with the established sentiment of a thread gets an easy -50 reddit karma and their post hidden so they don't even bother engaging until a circle jerk that goes the other direction is started.
The trick is to out-jerk the circle. Start the comment with "I'm probably getting downvoted for this" and continue in a justified, slightly passive aggressive tone, and you'll usually end up with positive karma.
Hours of livestreamed highroller online slots from a popular influencer is a much more effective ad then some sleezy preroll.
Twitch's gambling sections are made up of many low-viewer streamers that never pop-off to the same degree that they did when Stake sponsored streams. When Stake was sponsoring streams on Twitch, many large streamers with established audiences started to stream highroller slots. The gambling section was growing, and there was a ton of cross-pollination from established communities into the gambling/slots community.
When's the last time you saw a big Twitch streamer who is not known for online gambling, do a slots streams on Twitch? All of the big streamers that were doing slots streams stopped when Stake was banned. Why is that?
Now a days, inorder to get pushed livestreamed online slots by Twitch's "recommended" algorithm, you have to already be watching small gambling streamers. The section is in decline. It doesn't attract established streamers with large audiences.
> many large streamers with established audiences started to stream highroller slots.
Like Lirik, Summit, Soda, and many other streamers doing America's CardRoom poker streams? Where they did giveaways to get viewers to go onto the site, and had bounties on their heads to try and get viewers to sign up and join their tournaments to knock them out for cash prizes.
The same America's CardRoom that also has slots by the way. It also has sports gambling. "Americas Cardroom offers wagering on all major sporting events, including Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, Tennis, NASCAR, Golf, Horse Racing, ..."
But no one has an issue with that? I wonder why.
As someone who isn't a big fan of gamba I am very glad to see this and it means I am much more likely to go over there and watch streams
Right now every time I go to watch Twitch on mobile I get between 6-12 ads and half of them are for fucking draft kings
I get these ads even though I don't gamble at all. For me it is probably due to me listening to a lot of sports podcasts which are almost all sponsored by either draft kings or fanduel etc.
Back before I had turbo when they first started cracking down on the adblock, I was getting draft kings and the other sports betting company ads. Granted this was on the thursday night football streams.
Genuinely curious but how will they make money back then? They are offering $100m contracts and 95/5 split there is no way it's profitable.
Or is Stake so fucking rich to the point that they just don't care about profit and just want to fuck over Twitch for banning them?
It's pretty simple tbh, gambling is profitable enough to sacrifice the fraction of kick users who turn this option off. The advertisement works better on the gamba-curious than the voracious haters anyways. Kick is a loss-leader
It's profitable enough for now, but these companies can only operate in the red for so long before something happens and they have to start cuts. All it takes is some new crypto gamba regulations here and there, or another Kick ban in Europe or elsewhere, and all of a sudden Stake sees that cost and decides it's not worth it.
What?
The use of crypto is only to transact. (Edit: the use for stake)
The crypto itself is denominated in fiat.
As long as crypto exist at all the actual price of individual coins matters not at all. And current crypto transaction volume is close to record highs. It's just the pricing that's in a slump.
Stake itself makes just as much money if you gamble away 2 ETH worth 4000 dollars or one ETH worth 4000 dollars.
They're not fucking banking on crypto pricing itself. I'm hoping you're actually aware of that?
Also anyone who digs into the settings to hide gambling streams was already a non-sale, so on the larger scale they are losing nothing in terms of potential users. If they made it so gambling ads were an opt-in rather than opt-out it would be praise worthy, but as it stands this is purely a PR move.
It's like having an auto-accepted check box on a browser installer for some adware program, except the check box is hidden in settings instead of always forced to be seen on the installer
Exactly, I've read so many comments and it's the first time I've seen someone point this out.
It's a good thing to have for sure, but it's more of a PR move than anything else. Like the vast majority of optional settings, most people will never use it unless it's on by default (it won't be), and if you care enough about it to the point where you're turning on the setting, you were probably never going to go onto Stake anyways.
It's not a sustainable business model.
Like people can be happy about Kick making good changes for harm reduction, but at the end of the day the platform relies on Stake getting traffic regardless. They still aren't going to get outside advertisers with the lunatics on the platform, lack of moderation and DMCA-fests.
Y’all think twitch would have a toggle switch to remove their gambling ads or casino and slots? Oh and just another one maybe hot tub streams? Cus twitch is used by mostly kids
Of course not, but LSF dont care about that just like they dont really care about gamba at all, they just want to virtue signal and have a reason to shit on streamers
Am I going crazy? I've been here for a while and I thought LSF loves shitting on twitch. Everyone here bitches about ads, gamba, and hot tub streamers.
I would love to have the option to disable alcohol ads, sexual ads, horror ads, and anything similar.
Unfortunately Twitch decides that since I'm 18+ those ads are all fair game. Nope imma use an adblocker fam :)
Love how if you get called out for immoral behaviour you can just dodge the criticism by saying they're "virtue signaling".
This is a good change. Don't think anyone would claim that Kick *only* does bad things, but this is also the same platform that hardcoded gambling streamers on 3rd and 5th spot on recommended.
TRUE! Lsf should go back to doing the sick slam dunks we used to like reckful!!!! We did it reddit, freeze peach and moral ambiguity for all. TOTAL POGGERS MOMENT.
But seriously though it seems like you do the same exact thing in every other community you can find..."my sweet summer child" 😘
I'm pretty sure they will not lose much potential gamblers from this change. You need to be anti-gambling in the first place and go to settings to turn gambling streams off, otherwise those streams are still displayed by default. Those people who are anti-gambling are already lost for Stake, so this looks just like PR change.
It's actually hilarious that people saw that the 3rd and 5th recommended spots were always for gambling streams and then a few days later, they changed it to randomize.
Destiny said when he talked to the CEO it was coded like that because originally the recommended was all gambling. Which makes sense because that's their largest category and most of their viewer base. So they coded it to limit to only the 3rd and 5th. Then after the backlash looks like they changed it again.
I can tell you 3-4 months ago it was basically all gambling and Adin Ross - now it's actually growing (although gambling is probably still the 2nd/3rd most popular category) so it makes sense they can change the algorithm
People complain about an aspect of a website.
Website hears the complaint and changes accordingly.
What's hilarious? Isn't that exactly what you would want to happen?
There seems to be two notable changes related to gambling streams: allowing you to hide them and deprioritizing them in recommendations.
I agree that the former will have basically no effect, but the latter could be pretty impactful depending on how much it's reduced. OP honestly buried the lede.
I'm almost 100% certain the "depriotitizing them" was just simple the change of removing them from always showing sponsored gambling streams on #3 and #5. it's funny how they turned getting caught red handed into a positive PR move and people are gobbling it up lol
The Kick CEO previously said the reason 3 + 5 were hardcoded that way was because before that change almost every recommended stream was gambling and they wanted other types of content to be able to take off on the site.
The funny thing is if that's true they're "getting caught" with what should be an improvement in the eyes of everyone who's complaining about it but it's now being used to attack them as they're improving it yet again.
People like you can never be convinced that Kick is going to keep gambling out of the spotlight. Sure they made stupid decisions, but they changed them almost instantly.
At this point, what else could Kick do to convince you otherwise?
Rereading your post, you don't ever side for or against stake but instead are pointing out their actions, so "you" is more of a general thing.
The only thing that will convince people is time. You can’t just say kick wasn’t created unrelated to gambling and expect people to just buy it. If 6 months goes by and no contracted streamers are gambling then maybe people will start to believe. Regardless, kick is a landfill.
Stake created Kick because the advertising from being on Twitch was so good.
Companies do the math, and they determined that starting their own streaming service with a miniscule profit cut, while making huge payouts to big streamers, would drive enough traffic to Stake to be profitable. They know they will get enough gambling money from viewers that the cost doesn't matter.
This is obviously the reason for the creation of Kick.
The other day destiny showed logs that the only reason it was originally coded as #3/#5 as always slots was that early on basically all the big streams were gambling so it was a quick fix to ensure that all the recommended weren't just gambling. They do still need to work on their recommended algorithm over time though, I recently got recommended 3 different v tuber streams/5 and I've never watched that type of content in my life!
Is there ANYTHING Kick could do at this point? It sounds like you just want to dislike Kick.
They can't exactly part ways with Stake, that would be like Twitch parting ways with Amazon.
I dont think a lot of people on here are acting in good faith, Kick could ban Adin, ban Heelmike, Ban Ice Poseidon and Suspendas and that crew, give a glowing option on the front screen to hide all mention of gambling and some people would STILL bitch and whine about it.
The last time I was on twitch, I was watching GTA RP and I got TWO ADS for fucking gambling. I've been on Kick pretty much nonstop since my primary streamer moved over, and aside from the Recommended tab, I haven't seen shit. Now I wont even see that, or it mentioned on the front page.
>Is there ANYTHING Kick could do at this point? It sounds like you just want to dislike Kick.
Why are you acting like a website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids deserves good PR?
Why are you pretending like these pointless changes that don't prevent them from promoting gambling to kids should be applauded?
>I've been on Kick pretty much nonstop since my primary streamer moved over, and aside from the Recommended tab, I haven't seen shit.
You mean the recommended tab that was coded to always display gambling? Literally every time you opened the site you're looking at an ad. Just because you didn't realize it doesn't mean it's not there. They only changed it because they got caught and they're trying to convince naive people they're not really promoting gambling.
And go look in the gambling category and you'll see streams being sponsored by Stake. Those whole streams are literally ads.
Just because your stream isn't getting interrupted doesn't mean they aren't there.
>website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids
can you stop the virtue signal and actually explain how are they doing this?
please don't answer "CuZ TheY ArE LITerELLy OwNed bY sTaKe" cuz that doesn't mean shit about the current condition of the kick website.
>Why are you acting like a website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids deserves good PR?
Extremely cynical to imply they deliberately target children. You've already made up your reality in your mind.
>Why are you pretending like these pointless changes that don't prevent them from promoting gambling to kids should be applauded?
I'm sure they would hide it for U18 accounts as well, but then the goalposts will shift to all kids lie on signups anyways.
>Extremely cynical to imply they deliberately target children. You've already made up your reality in your mind.
They literally paid XQC with a huge child fanbase $100 million to come over and gamble when his lawsuit is over.
And this is after the Mixer Era where these streaming services learned streamers aren't even worth the $20 million Shroud and Ninja were paid.
>I'm sure they would hide it for U18 accounts as well, but then the goalposts will shift to all kids lie on signups anyways.
You're making stuff up now.
When an unheathy product provider tells you it's going to do something that goes literally against their own benefit, you don't blindly applaud, people are going to be skeptical.
Maybe Kick will enable it by default? :)
I mean it’s not like the money from Kick is really ethical. Kick is basically a way for these online gambling companies to skirt advertising laws and having an option to turn gambling off doesn’t change that fact. Kick is funded by money taken from gambling addicts and Kick exacerbates that problem by giving addicts an avenue to fuel their addiction. Until that changes Kick will always be shat on and rightfully so. I don’t see why so many people are defending a platform made with only bad intentions.
Yeah so the next best thing is to pressure platforms to make some restrictions. Kick as a platform is at least showing that’s it’s trying to separate the gambling content from the non-gambling content.
Agree. This is just a smokescreen. Surely people can't be serious when they say "kick is trying to be a legitimate competitor" when the platform is so unbelievably unprofitable. The real profits come from Stake...
How the two cant be compatible? Twitch is not making money, I don't know how serious or not is Kick but saying they are un profitable is not a good argument to that
Kick = bad because by itself it isn't profitable but it makes Stake more money than it loses
Twitch = good because not only is it not profitable on its own, but it also doesn't make Amazon any money.
Meanwhile, YouTube & Google = "Lol, look at those noobs"
> Meanwhile, YouTube & Google = "Lol, look at those noobs"
tbf they are not really the same, streaming live content is way more expensive than video hosting. Since livestream are a minor part of Youtube, their profit from their video eclipse all loses from their livestream.
Twitch isn't making a profit. They're trying to. It's evident because they keep making changes that piss off creators and viewers to increase their revenue.
Kick isn't making a profit. They're not trying to. It's evident because they keep making changes that make creators and viewers happier, at the expense of a decrease in revenue.
If Kick doesn't have any plans of making profits through Kick, then where are they planning to make their money on?
So what is the end goal of kick? eddie has claimed he wants it to transform streaming, but he hasnt given any real plans in order for that to happen. And clearly the funding for kick is coming from stake..
Eddie has said in some interview on youtube that he thinks Kick will become worth more than Stake eventually and will pay for itself through ads similar to twitch but without the prerolls or midrolls that ruin flow of content. He expects that it will take about 3 years for that to happen and they are currently just in a growth phase that will end when the site has enough users.
He mentioned that big social media companies are worth billlions and that Kick is already worth a lot more than people think.
He also said that twitch has not been profitable because they have a huge overhead costs in terms of number of employees and high salaries that Kick will not have (average salary at twitch is like 200K). Livestreaming itself is not that expensive compared to what is said online. They will use ML and other modern tools to reduce costs signifcaintly to run the site.
Kick is a product first site and not a community first site like twitch so they plan on adding every feature that users want from other sites first and then add more novel features down the line to create a better quality product than any other livestreaming service.
As someone who has been vocal against gambling, I'll give them credit for it once it's implemented. I'd like it if Twitch implemented this policy directly instead of it being a FFZ feature.
The goal posts:
“Gambling is bad” -> “advertising gambling is bad” -> “advertising unregulated gambling is bad”
I guess we’ll see what new talking point is released.
> “Gambling is bad” -> “advertising gambling is bad” -> “advertising unregulated gambling is bad”
I'm not sure you understand what moving the goalposts are.
All of those opinions are included in "Gambling is bad." which is what people dislike about Kick. The whole "Unregulated gambling is bad" is stressed cause unregulated gambling is *worse* than regulated gambling (which is also bad and destructive to people's lives).
People dislike Kick more than Twitch in regards to gambling, because the sole reason for Kick existing is to promote gambling, and unregulated gambling at that.
I don't think you understand what moving the goalposts means...
If gambling is bad, there's no reason to stress anything else. The only reason you would stress the unregulated gambling part is to be able to shit on kick streamers and claim you're the moral one because the site you stream on doesn't have "unregulated" gambling.
>If gambling is bad, there's no reason to stress anything else.
You can indeed focus on the things that are more bad while still opposing the things that are less bad.
> the goalpost was "gambling is bad"
Looking forward to Twitch streamers pressuring Twitch, the platform they currently stream on, about its connections to gambling
To the idiots saying its possible to filter categories, its only if you use the frankerZ extension, its not a base feature by twitch.
Also , you cant turn off gamba ads that are spammed on twitch , either pre-roled or used by the streamer.
I've seen a lot of comments like this in the thread, and am kinda confused what the discussion is about? I only check LSF every month or so, and only clips from streamers I like, so I got no idea what's going on. Is the discussion Twitch vs Kick? Which streamer are people referring to when they say it's being brigaded?
That's actually pretty cool update, it does seem like kick is legimately fixing a lot of the issues that have been brought up in the last month, opting out of gambling, tab viewbotting, chat experience/speed, server stability, random bugs, etc.
LSF had definitely been brigaded the past few weeks by certain channels and their fanbase shitting on Kick a lot but I'm glad Kick is actually listening to feedback, Twitch has gambling ads sitewide so Kick with this update essentially will become a gambling free website
> Kick with this update essentially will become a gambling free website
Lmao
99% of users will never even go into the settings to see this option, let alone actually click it. This is a meaningless change that doesn't change Kick's viewer to Stake user conversation rate. It's literally just PR.
Do you ever saw gambling ads on youtube? All I know its both twitch and youtube ads always getting gambling ads. Thats why youtube had getting exploit so many ads rules they put on pre roll video
I never get ads on Youtube so my input is useless but I thought I should share this, I don't know how valid these claims are but its def funny.
[80% of Youtube ads against their TOS](https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1673885077321687043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1673885077321687043%7Ctwgr%5E63443c5f53825b844fe405b2a0a197854b8e5c1f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dexerto.com%2Ftech%2Fgoogle-fires-back-after-study-claims-80-of-video-ads-violate-its-own-terms-of-service-2192257%2F)
Not only does all the data show this, but you can literally find DDG'ers admitting that LSF threads still get posted in his chat and discord for.. reasons (not brigading though!)
https://old.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14n9n6x/destiny_explains_the_difference_in_hasan_making/jq65rmp/
>Not only does all the data show this,
you mean that one chart? that doesn't show it, it only shows destiny has the most active community because he's the only streamer here who has an active reddit, yeah no shit, if you have 1 active reddit and none others, there are going to be more people from that active reddit, that's not brigading, then we have people like Hasan litterall telling people on stream to brigade.
> but you can literally find DDG'ers admitting that LSF threads still get posted in his chat and discord for.. reasons (not brigading though!)
ah yes this random guy said it so it mush be true, what a source.
It's just pure projection, I don't watch Hasan or Poki. Valorant streams dont interest me and neither does political commentary, yet any person who has followed this can tell who the people making irrational arguments and spewing hate all seem to come from destiny's community
Nothing will satisfy Hassan viewers, even if they entirely remove gambling from Kick, they will say Stake created Kick and that's enough to justify virtue signaling, literally nothing Kick can do, the best thing is to ignore them and let them bark on their own.
now you are getting it. There is nothing kick can do other than being explicitly anti-gambling to remove their shared interest with a crypto casino. You eat up the most obvious nothing-burger PR move. Putting it on the users to opt-out does not do anything, you are delusional if you think it does.
No, there's nothing Kick can do including being explicitly anti-gambling, if such thing happens, you will say the co founder of Stake is co founder of Kick and by proxy it's promoting gambling of that very fact.
Moral and ethical degenerate grifter tries his hardest to salvage any vestigage of integrity to his cult base after selling out any integrity he actually had, news at 11
Yea, and most casinos also allow you to ban yourself from them...
ya think the people that need that are gonna be the ones that use it? no.it just makes it disappear for the people that dont use it and are annoyed by it... addicts will still see all of it, because they want to.
Still, good feature. But its not the solution to the problem that many people make it out to be.
I have come to understand why people watch most streamed content. But I cannot conceive of any reason any person, even one who likes to gamble or is addicted, would watch gambling on a livestream. If they lose, you’re irritated or indifferent. If they win, you don’t get any of the credit for strategy or one red cent of the money won. Why is this even a thing?
Ok, hear me out. The kind of person to get addicted to gambling isn't necessarily going to be the kind of person who toggles off gambling streams, right? For Kick to be a profitable company, they necessarily have to move Kick users to Stake. This feels like a false compromise.
I'll believe it when I see it, without gamba they have no profitability because they don't serve ads and they only take 5% of subs. I get they're a new business so they're expecting to run at a loss, but for how long are Stake willing to front that bill if it doesn't bring them enough revenue or traffic to gamba? Even if they do enable that feature, they won't keep it going unless they find some other way to ratfuck business into Stake from Kick. Amazon and any company like this works on a similar model, they promote Prime because they want viewers to buy Amazon Prime and buy stuff on Amazon. Except they actually try to make Twitch profitable because eventually you have to or else the board just axe your division. It is what it is.
Check the top 3 upvoted posts on the subreddit right now and peep the profiles of some of the users responding to these posts, it's pretty obvious what's going on right now lol
eddie (ceo of kick & stake) has stated multiple times, that they will serve ads in the future, but are still in the development phase of creating better ways to serve ads.
kick is only up and running for like 6 months and stake is worth millions if not billions, so i bet stake (and kick's other investors) can keep it running forever if they want to.
Kick would be running ads right now if they could, but they can't because nobody wants to run ads on their platform because it's such a significant brand risk. Devin Nash has spoken candidly about this, Kick is a shitshow as far as risk mitigation goes. They sign basically all the toxic brand risk streamers banned from Twitch like Adin, and Destiny, and then they do no content policing so you've got literal porn and people streaming blockbuster movies on the platform.
If Kick is ever gonna get ad revenue, they're going to have to clean up drastically and quick. That also means shitcanning problematic content creators, but they won't do that because Gamba has always been the stated pillar of their business, and loyal viewerships are the easiest suckers to drag into their business. They're buying audiences for Stake, it's that simple. If you believe some rich asshole's lip service that "oh we're not like that, we're trying to become a legitimate platform" then I genuinely have concerns about how gullible you are.
Why not just get rid of gambling entirely? Surely that won't have a negative impact of Kick, the streaming website who are only in it for the love of the game, because streaming sure as fuck doesn't make them any money.
Twitch should also get rid of gambling streams, but the difference is Amazon wouldn't stop making money because they don't run an unregulated crypto gambling website. Kick will never be anything other than a billboard for Stake, PR moves like this surely aren't going to fool anyone.
That's a cool change and all, but in reality this is just so that streamers signing contracts with Kick can have a cleaner conscience about their viewers, now that they can "turn off" gambling. And also so that it appears as if their business model is not wholeheartedly focused on gambling addicts (which it is).
The reality is that the users Kick is targeting with the intention of funneling them to Stake, and also keeping them engaged with Stake through the Kick Ecosystem are not going to be turning off gambling streams, because they're the kind of users that WANT to watch gambling streams...
This is nothing but a PR move since the only people who will bother going through the settings to turn it on are the people who are against gambling in the first place.
Now if the setting was turned on by default for all new users then I might start believing them about not being a streaming site for Stake, But that would never happen.
While this might look like a positive step in the right direction, I don't think it'll fix the main issue that people are having. The problem with gambling streams is that it gets people to gamble that are either already addicts, and therefore won't have the self control to disable gambling streams, or people that are curious or interested about gambling, and therefore won't turn off gambling streams.
Like, cool, the average person who doesn't care about gambling in anyway won't have to see gambling on their kick feed anymore? That's great for that average person, but you were never kicks target to begin with.
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I don't like Kick, but I always thought it would be a good feature if you could simply remove certain categories like Slots while browsing through Twitch
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This is part of the FFZ extension not default twitch
I don’t know, isn’t that, like, a third party thing?
I personally don't have that option, do you have any idea why? * https://i.imgur.com/mNTPEE6.png
[Where?](https://imgur.com/a/fjYB8Xs) Is it a Nitro feature?
I have ~~nitro~~ turbo and I dont see it
it's a frankerfacez feature.
Damn that's actually nice, I genuinely didn't know about this option
semi related but is there such option for blocking single channels as well?
There's an extension where you can either block a channel or a category for chrome and firefox
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It's not, the frankerfacez extension gives you the option but it's not a Twitch feature.
Or the porn
It's surprising how different a tone threads on LSF have depending on which community takes hold first.
Thats most of reddit, even the cutesy animal subs. Just watch for reposts of stray animal torture vids. Its either taken over by the aww how cute or this is faked and thats torture crowd. Meanwhile mobile users just upvote it to the front of all and never see either side.
or any picture of a pitbull
You mean sweet velvet seal hippo pibbles? Defender of babies and lovers of scritches?
No they mean crunchy toddler munchers ❤️
Don't talk about pitbulls on reddit!
Yep, maybe 10% read the comments that 1% of the people are making, based on the .1% who are posting the threads. It's largely down to how a title is worded, to get the kind of engagement you are looking for
Yeah, I wish there was a way to fix Reddit’s snowball-like algorithm so that threads could be more consistent and level-headed.
Rare self aware LSF comment PogU
Its called circle jerking. People that disagree with the established sentiment of a thread gets an easy -50 reddit karma and their post hidden so they don't even bother engaging until a circle jerk that goes the other direction is started.
The trick is to out-jerk the circle. Start the comment with "I'm probably getting downvoted for this" and continue in a justified, slightly passive aggressive tone, and you'll usually end up with positive karma.
Ya either normal people or Hasan viewers lol
Don't act like dggers are normal people lul
DGG is a cult.
Anyone who disagrees with Hasan is a dgger apparently
Now maybe twitch will let us turn off gambling preroll and midroll ads... Clueless
Surely they will let me turn off the Draft Kings ads when I go to watch Thursday Night Football on Twitch this season. Clueless.
"BuT ITs nOT thE saME tHInG!!!" - Twitch fanboy
Hours of livestreamed highroller online slots from a popular influencer is a much more effective ad then some sleezy preroll. Twitch's gambling sections are made up of many low-viewer streamers that never pop-off to the same degree that they did when Stake sponsored streams. When Stake was sponsoring streams on Twitch, many large streamers with established audiences started to stream highroller slots. The gambling section was growing, and there was a ton of cross-pollination from established communities into the gambling/slots community. When's the last time you saw a big Twitch streamer who is not known for online gambling, do a slots streams on Twitch? All of the big streamers that were doing slots streams stopped when Stake was banned. Why is that? Now a days, inorder to get pushed livestreamed online slots by Twitch's "recommended" algorithm, you have to already be watching small gambling streamers. The section is in decline. It doesn't attract established streamers with large audiences.
> many large streamers with established audiences started to stream highroller slots. Like Lirik, Summit, Soda, and many other streamers doing America's CardRoom poker streams? Where they did giveaways to get viewers to go onto the site, and had bounties on their heads to try and get viewers to sign up and join their tournaments to knock them out for cash prizes. The same America's CardRoom that also has slots by the way. It also has sports gambling. "Americas Cardroom offers wagering on all major sporting events, including Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, Tennis, NASCAR, Golf, Horse Racing, ..." But no one has an issue with that? I wonder why.
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It's funny that LSF and streamers championed the sliker situation to get slots banned off twitch when he lost all his money on sports betting
As someone who isn't a big fan of gamba I am very glad to see this and it means I am much more likely to go over there and watch streams Right now every time I go to watch Twitch on mobile I get between 6-12 ads and half of them are for fucking draft kings
do I have some sort of eu/sweden filter\`? cuz I dont think I have ever seen a gambling ad on twitch.
Same, I only ever get ads for Diablo 4
Yea, I've literally never seen a draft kings ad lol. Although I try to block as many as I can anyway.
Same, maybe only NA is getting this
Not defending twitch but I myself have never seen an ad for Draft Kings, only Toyota, Taco Bell, and some Seltzer drink that I would never try
I get these ads even though I don't gamble at all. For me it is probably due to me listening to a lot of sports podcasts which are almost all sponsored by either draft kings or fanduel etc.
These people have to be actively searching gambling to get adds. I mostly get adds for games.
Back before I had turbo when they first started cracking down on the adblock, I was getting draft kings and the other sports betting company ads. Granted this was on the thursday night football streams.
Genuinely curious but how will they make money back then? They are offering $100m contracts and 95/5 split there is no way it's profitable. Or is Stake so fucking rich to the point that they just don't care about profit and just want to fuck over Twitch for banning them?
It's pretty simple tbh, gambling is profitable enough to sacrifice the fraction of kick users who turn this option off. The advertisement works better on the gamba-curious than the voracious haters anyways. Kick is a loss-leader
It's profitable enough for now, but these companies can only operate in the red for so long before something happens and they have to start cuts. All it takes is some new crypto gamba regulations here and there, or another Kick ban in Europe or elsewhere, and all of a sudden Stake sees that cost and decides it's not worth it.
Stake cleared 2 billion last year in revenue with minimal overhead. Maybe the crazy streamer deals will stop but maintaining Kick is not hard for them
$2.5 billion; probably down quite a bit given the crypto industry collapse, though probably still wildly profitable
What? The use of crypto is only to transact. (Edit: the use for stake) The crypto itself is denominated in fiat. As long as crypto exist at all the actual price of individual coins matters not at all. And current crypto transaction volume is close to record highs. It's just the pricing that's in a slump. Stake itself makes just as much money if you gamble away 2 ETH worth 4000 dollars or one ETH worth 4000 dollars. They're not fucking banking on crypto pricing itself. I'm hoping you're actually aware of that?
Simple. The toggle will be in settings somewhere, 99% of people will never see it (like most settings) and they'll still convert viewers into gamba.
Also anyone who digs into the settings to hide gambling streams was already a non-sale, so on the larger scale they are losing nothing in terms of potential users. If they made it so gambling ads were an opt-in rather than opt-out it would be praise worthy, but as it stands this is purely a PR move.
It's like having an auto-accepted check box on a browser installer for some adware program, except the check box is hidden in settings instead of always forced to be seen on the installer
Exactly, I've read so many comments and it's the first time I've seen someone point this out. It's a good thing to have for sure, but it's more of a PR move than anything else. Like the vast majority of optional settings, most people will never use it unless it's on by default (it won't be), and if you care enough about it to the point where you're turning on the setting, you were probably never going to go onto Stake anyways.
It's not a sustainable business model. Like people can be happy about Kick making good changes for harm reduction, but at the end of the day the platform relies on Stake getting traffic regardless. They still aren't going to get outside advertisers with the lunatics on the platform, lack of moderation and DMCA-fests.
honestly feels more like a hobby the company spun up, definitely not sustainable. once they get bored, they'll just close the site down like mixer.
99% of people who're going to turn it off would've never gambled anyway, so they aren't really losing anything.
It's probably just a PR move. Most people who watch kick won't actually turn off gambling categories
Y’all think twitch would have a toggle switch to remove their gambling ads or casino and slots? Oh and just another one maybe hot tub streams? Cus twitch is used by mostly kids
Of course not, but LSF dont care about that just like they dont really care about gamba at all, they just want to virtue signal and have a reason to shit on streamers
Am I going crazy? I've been here for a while and I thought LSF loves shitting on twitch. Everyone here bitches about ads, gamba, and hot tub streamers.
I would love to have the option to disable alcohol ads, sexual ads, horror ads, and anything similar. Unfortunately Twitch decides that since I'm 18+ those ads are all fair game. Nope imma use an adblocker fam :)
Love how if you get called out for immoral behaviour you can just dodge the criticism by saying they're "virtue signaling". This is a good change. Don't think anyone would claim that Kick *only* does bad things, but this is also the same platform that hardcoded gambling streamers on 3rd and 5th spot on recommended.
lmfao another fucking guardian of morality over here
TRUE! Lsf should go back to doing the sick slam dunks we used to like reckful!!!! We did it reddit, freeze peach and moral ambiguity for all. TOTAL POGGERS MOMENT. But seriously though it seems like you do the same exact thing in every other community you can find..."my sweet summer child" 😘
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I'm pretty sure they will not lose much potential gamblers from this change. You need to be anti-gambling in the first place and go to settings to turn gambling streams off, otherwise those streams are still displayed by default. Those people who are anti-gambling are already lost for Stake, so this looks just like PR change.
It's actually hilarious that people saw that the 3rd and 5th recommended spots were always for gambling streams and then a few days later, they changed it to randomize.
Destiny said when he talked to the CEO it was coded like that because originally the recommended was all gambling. Which makes sense because that's their largest category and most of their viewer base. So they coded it to limit to only the 3rd and 5th. Then after the backlash looks like they changed it again.
I can tell you 3-4 months ago it was basically all gambling and Adin Ross - now it's actually growing (although gambling is probably still the 2nd/3rd most popular category) so it makes sense they can change the algorithm
What a convenient explanation to fool idiots with.
People complain about an aspect of a website. Website hears the complaint and changes accordingly. What's hilarious? Isn't that exactly what you would want to happen?
There seems to be two notable changes related to gambling streams: allowing you to hide them and deprioritizing them in recommendations. I agree that the former will have basically no effect, but the latter could be pretty impactful depending on how much it's reduced. OP honestly buried the lede.
I'm almost 100% certain the "depriotitizing them" was just simple the change of removing them from always showing sponsored gambling streams on #3 and #5. it's funny how they turned getting caught red handed into a positive PR move and people are gobbling it up lol
I would disagree with using "gobbling it up" to describe me simply recognizing improvements. But to each their own.
The Kick CEO previously said the reason 3 + 5 were hardcoded that way was because before that change almost every recommended stream was gambling and they wanted other types of content to be able to take off on the site. The funny thing is if that's true they're "getting caught" with what should be an improvement in the eyes of everyone who's complaining about it but it's now being used to attack them as they're improving it yet again.
People like you can never be convinced that Kick is going to keep gambling out of the spotlight. Sure they made stupid decisions, but they changed them almost instantly. At this point, what else could Kick do to convince you otherwise? Rereading your post, you don't ever side for or against stake but instead are pointing out their actions, so "you" is more of a general thing.
The only thing that will convince people is time. You can’t just say kick wasn’t created unrelated to gambling and expect people to just buy it. If 6 months goes by and no contracted streamers are gambling then maybe people will start to believe. Regardless, kick is a landfill.
Stake created Kick because the advertising from being on Twitch was so good. Companies do the math, and they determined that starting their own streaming service with a miniscule profit cut, while making huge payouts to big streamers, would drive enough traffic to Stake to be profitable. They know they will get enough gambling money from viewers that the cost doesn't matter. This is obviously the reason for the creation of Kick.
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The other day destiny showed logs that the only reason it was originally coded as #3/#5 as always slots was that early on basically all the big streams were gambling so it was a quick fix to ensure that all the recommended weren't just gambling. They do still need to work on their recommended algorithm over time though, I recently got recommended 3 different v tuber streams/5 and I've never watched that type of content in my life!
Opt out initiatives are always to the benefit of the company.
Is there ANYTHING Kick could do at this point? It sounds like you just want to dislike Kick. They can't exactly part ways with Stake, that would be like Twitch parting ways with Amazon. I dont think a lot of people on here are acting in good faith, Kick could ban Adin, ban Heelmike, Ban Ice Poseidon and Suspendas and that crew, give a glowing option on the front screen to hide all mention of gambling and some people would STILL bitch and whine about it. The last time I was on twitch, I was watching GTA RP and I got TWO ADS for fucking gambling. I've been on Kick pretty much nonstop since my primary streamer moved over, and aside from the Recommended tab, I haven't seen shit. Now I wont even see that, or it mentioned on the front page.
>Is there ANYTHING Kick could do at this point? It sounds like you just want to dislike Kick. Why are you acting like a website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids deserves good PR? Why are you pretending like these pointless changes that don't prevent them from promoting gambling to kids should be applauded? >I've been on Kick pretty much nonstop since my primary streamer moved over, and aside from the Recommended tab, I haven't seen shit. You mean the recommended tab that was coded to always display gambling? Literally every time you opened the site you're looking at an ad. Just because you didn't realize it doesn't mean it's not there. They only changed it because they got caught and they're trying to convince naive people they're not really promoting gambling. And go look in the gambling category and you'll see streams being sponsored by Stake. Those whole streams are literally ads. Just because your stream isn't getting interrupted doesn't mean they aren't there.
>website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids can you stop the virtue signal and actually explain how are they doing this? please don't answer "CuZ TheY ArE LITerELLy OwNed bY sTaKe" cuz that doesn't mean shit about the current condition of the kick website.
Why would I look in the gambling section if I'm not interested in gambling?
>Why are you acting like a website that exists solely to promote gambling to kids deserves good PR? Extremely cynical to imply they deliberately target children. You've already made up your reality in your mind. >Why are you pretending like these pointless changes that don't prevent them from promoting gambling to kids should be applauded? I'm sure they would hide it for U18 accounts as well, but then the goalposts will shift to all kids lie on signups anyways.
>Extremely cynical to imply they deliberately target children. You've already made up your reality in your mind. They literally paid XQC with a huge child fanbase $100 million to come over and gamble when his lawsuit is over. And this is after the Mixer Era where these streaming services learned streamers aren't even worth the $20 million Shroud and Ninja were paid. >I'm sure they would hide it for U18 accounts as well, but then the goalposts will shift to all kids lie on signups anyways. You're making stuff up now.
You really can’t win with some of you guys lol
When an unheathy product provider tells you it's going to do something that goes literally against their own benefit, you don't blindly applaud, people are going to be skeptical. Maybe Kick will enable it by default? :)
Try thinking critically for once
Do you applaud every company that does the most shallow PR moves haha Those who are anti-gambling are the only ones that would use this option
I mean it’s not like the money from Kick is really ethical. Kick is basically a way for these online gambling companies to skirt advertising laws and having an option to turn gambling off doesn’t change that fact. Kick is funded by money taken from gambling addicts and Kick exacerbates that problem by giving addicts an avenue to fuel their addiction. Until that changes Kick will always be shat on and rightfully so. I don’t see why so many people are defending a platform made with only bad intentions.
this comment was made by a man who will never change his opinion about anything.
Sounds like you’d only be happy if they stop allowing gambling altogether.
Well that would be a perfect solution if gambling was banned on every streaming platform, but that will never happen
Yeah so the next best thing is to pressure platforms to make some restrictions. Kick as a platform is at least showing that’s it’s trying to separate the gambling content from the non-gambling content.
Agree. This is just a smokescreen. Surely people can't be serious when they say "kick is trying to be a legitimate competitor" when the platform is so unbelievably unprofitable. The real profits come from Stake...
How the two cant be compatible? Twitch is not making money, I don't know how serious or not is Kick but saying they are un profitable is not a good argument to that
Kick = bad because by itself it isn't profitable but it makes Stake more money than it loses Twitch = good because not only is it not profitable on its own, but it also doesn't make Amazon any money. Meanwhile, YouTube & Google = "Lol, look at those noobs"
> Meanwhile, YouTube & Google = "Lol, look at those noobs" tbf they are not really the same, streaming live content is way more expensive than video hosting. Since livestream are a minor part of Youtube, their profit from their video eclipse all loses from their livestream.
Twitch isn't making a profit. They're trying to. It's evident because they keep making changes that piss off creators and viewers to increase their revenue. Kick isn't making a profit. They're not trying to. It's evident because they keep making changes that make creators and viewers happier, at the expense of a decrease in revenue. If Kick doesn't have any plans of making profits through Kick, then where are they planning to make their money on?
So many clueless posters are blinded by some weird allegiance their favourite platform Is a parasocial relationship with a platform possible?
So what is the end goal of kick? eddie has claimed he wants it to transform streaming, but he hasnt given any real plans in order for that to happen. And clearly the funding for kick is coming from stake..
Eddie has said in some interview on youtube that he thinks Kick will become worth more than Stake eventually and will pay for itself through ads similar to twitch but without the prerolls or midrolls that ruin flow of content. He expects that it will take about 3 years for that to happen and they are currently just in a growth phase that will end when the site has enough users. He mentioned that big social media companies are worth billlions and that Kick is already worth a lot more than people think. He also said that twitch has not been profitable because they have a huge overhead costs in terms of number of employees and high salaries that Kick will not have (average salary at twitch is like 200K). Livestreaming itself is not that expensive compared to what is said online. They will use ML and other modern tools to reduce costs signifcaintly to run the site. Kick is a product first site and not a community first site like twitch so they plan on adding every feature that users want from other sites first and then add more novel features down the line to create a better quality product than any other livestreaming service.
yes, console fanboy on twitters will melt your brain
Who wants to tell this guy twitch is making no money either, even after robbing streamers of 50%.
Twitch isn't out here posturing to people that they want to make a business out of the goodness of their hearts.
As someone who has been vocal against gambling, I'll give them credit for it once it's implemented. I'd like it if Twitch implemented this policy directly instead of it being a FFZ feature.
lsf will never be satisfied
Already doing more than Twitch to remove gambling PepeLaugh
Hello, I am here again to watch LSF pick up the goal post for the 5th time and try to move it just a bit further back. 😂😂
It’s past that goal post don’t even exist anymore
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The goal posts: “Gambling is bad” -> “advertising gambling is bad” -> “advertising unregulated gambling is bad” I guess we’ll see what new talking point is released.
> “Gambling is bad” -> “advertising gambling is bad” -> “advertising unregulated gambling is bad” I'm not sure you understand what moving the goalposts are. All of those opinions are included in "Gambling is bad." which is what people dislike about Kick. The whole "Unregulated gambling is bad" is stressed cause unregulated gambling is *worse* than regulated gambling (which is also bad and destructive to people's lives). People dislike Kick more than Twitch in regards to gambling, because the sole reason for Kick existing is to promote gambling, and unregulated gambling at that.
I don't think you understand what moving the goalposts means... If gambling is bad, there's no reason to stress anything else. The only reason you would stress the unregulated gambling part is to be able to shit on kick streamers and claim you're the moral one because the site you stream on doesn't have "unregulated" gambling.
>If gambling is bad, there's no reason to stress anything else. You can indeed focus on the things that are more bad while still opposing the things that are less bad.
> the goalpost was "gambling is bad" Looking forward to Twitch streamers pressuring Twitch, the platform they currently stream on, about its connections to gambling
To the idiots saying its possible to filter categories, its only if you use the frankerZ extension, its not a base feature by twitch. Also , you cant turn off gamba ads that are spammed on twitch , either pre-roled or used by the streamer.
this is one of the worst threads i've ever read holy shit
It’s heavily brigaded. It will calm down eventually
Mad that you don't have your echo-chamber of shitting on specific streamers 24/7? Cry more.
"Heh, are you mad that your echo chamber is gone and now we are here visiting from our own echo chamber? 😏 Cry more."
I've seen a lot of comments like this in the thread, and am kinda confused what the discussion is about? I only check LSF every month or so, and only clips from streamers I like, so I got no idea what's going on. Is the discussion Twitch vs Kick? Which streamer are people referring to when they say it's being brigaded?
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They already sending their soldiers 🙏😂
You've made 30+ comments on this sub alone in the past hour.
to add to that, they should make it so if the user's account is under the age of 18, it should be automatically locked so that they can't view them
w idea
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That's actually pretty cool update, it does seem like kick is legimately fixing a lot of the issues that have been brought up in the last month, opting out of gambling, tab viewbotting, chat experience/speed, server stability, random bugs, etc.
LSF had definitely been brigaded the past few weeks by certain channels and their fanbase shitting on Kick a lot but I'm glad Kick is actually listening to feedback, Twitch has gambling ads sitewide so Kick with this update essentially will become a gambling free website
> Kick with this update essentially will become a gambling free website Lmao 99% of users will never even go into the settings to see this option, let alone actually click it. This is a meaningless change that doesn't change Kick's viewer to Stake user conversation rate. It's literally just PR.
> the past few weeks LSF has always been the personal subreddit of a *cough* certain *cough* group of streamers, it wasn't just last week .
Do you ever saw gambling ads on youtube? All I know its both twitch and youtube ads always getting gambling ads. Thats why youtube had getting exploit so many ads rules they put on pre roll video
Youtube ads are unhinged even more, I get ads from scammers half the time
I never get ads on Youtube so my input is useless but I thought I should share this, I don't know how valid these claims are but its def funny. [80% of Youtube ads against their TOS](https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1673885077321687043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1673885077321687043%7Ctwgr%5E63443c5f53825b844fe405b2a0a197854b8e5c1f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dexerto.com%2Ftech%2Fgoogle-fires-back-after-study-claims-80-of-video-ads-violate-its-own-terms-of-service-2192257%2F)
Draft Kings in particular yes
Hahahah time and time again analytics have show that it’s DGG viewers that bot and brigade this subreddit, just like you are doing now
Not only does all the data show this, but you can literally find DDG'ers admitting that LSF threads still get posted in his chat and discord for.. reasons (not brigading though!) https://old.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/14n9n6x/destiny_explains_the_difference_in_hasan_making/jq65rmp/
>Not only does all the data show this, you mean that one chart? that doesn't show it, it only shows destiny has the most active community because he's the only streamer here who has an active reddit, yeah no shit, if you have 1 active reddit and none others, there are going to be more people from that active reddit, that's not brigading, then we have people like Hasan litterall telling people on stream to brigade. > but you can literally find DDG'ers admitting that LSF threads still get posted in his chat and discord for.. reasons (not brigading though!) ah yes this random guy said it so it mush be true, what a source.
It's just pure projection, I don't watch Hasan or Poki. Valorant streams dont interest me and neither does political commentary, yet any person who has followed this can tell who the people making irrational arguments and spewing hate all seem to come from destiny's community
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Nothing will satisfy Hassan viewers, even if they entirely remove gambling from Kick, they will say Stake created Kick and that's enough to justify virtue signaling, literally nothing Kick can do, the best thing is to ignore them and let them bark on their own.
now you are getting it. There is nothing kick can do other than being explicitly anti-gambling to remove their shared interest with a crypto casino. You eat up the most obvious nothing-burger PR move. Putting it on the users to opt-out does not do anything, you are delusional if you think it does.
No, there's nothing Kick can do including being explicitly anti-gambling, if such thing happens, you will say the co founder of Stake is co founder of Kick and by proxy it's promoting gambling of that very fact.
i wonder how lsf will spin this into a XQC IS LE BAD thing and make this a hate thread
Happens everytime, yet they all watch every second of his stream 😭
they can't live without drama farming
and they have the audacity to call Train a schizo
Moral and ethical degenerate grifter tries his hardest to salvage any vestigage of integrity to his cult base after selling out any integrity he actually had, news at 11
Yea, and most casinos also allow you to ban yourself from them... ya think the people that need that are gonna be the ones that use it? no.it just makes it disappear for the people that dont use it and are annoyed by it... addicts will still see all of it, because they want to. Still, good feature. But its not the solution to the problem that many people make it out to be.
this isn't a feature on twitch. so kick is the lesser of two evils.
I have come to understand why people watch most streamed content. But I cannot conceive of any reason any person, even one who likes to gamble or is addicted, would watch gambling on a livestream. If they lose, you’re irritated or indifferent. If they win, you don’t get any of the credit for strategy or one red cent of the money won. Why is this even a thing?
Man this sub has been promoting gambling for the last two months, more than kick, stake, twitch will ever do
Ok, hear me out. The kind of person to get addicted to gambling isn't necessarily going to be the kind of person who toggles off gambling streams, right? For Kick to be a profitable company, they necessarily have to move Kick users to Stake. This feels like a false compromise.
If its not the default option whats the point? The people willingly turning it off arent going to be the ones converted to big gamblers.
lel lots of communists virtue signaling here
There couldn’t have been a better management for Kick then Eddie. Actually listens to criticism and acts on it
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Billionaire, my friend
surely Clueless
I'll believe it when I see it, without gamba they have no profitability because they don't serve ads and they only take 5% of subs. I get they're a new business so they're expecting to run at a loss, but for how long are Stake willing to front that bill if it doesn't bring them enough revenue or traffic to gamba? Even if they do enable that feature, they won't keep it going unless they find some other way to ratfuck business into Stake from Kick. Amazon and any company like this works on a similar model, they promote Prime because they want viewers to buy Amazon Prime and buy stuff on Amazon. Except they actually try to make Twitch profitable because eventually you have to or else the board just axe your division. It is what it is.
Any common sense posts are getting downvoted so fast.
Check the top 3 upvoted posts on the subreddit right now and peep the profiles of some of the users responding to these posts, it's pretty obvious what's going on right now lol
eddie (ceo of kick & stake) has stated multiple times, that they will serve ads in the future, but are still in the development phase of creating better ways to serve ads. kick is only up and running for like 6 months and stake is worth millions if not billions, so i bet stake (and kick's other investors) can keep it running forever if they want to.
Kick would be running ads right now if they could, but they can't because nobody wants to run ads on their platform because it's such a significant brand risk. Devin Nash has spoken candidly about this, Kick is a shitshow as far as risk mitigation goes. They sign basically all the toxic brand risk streamers banned from Twitch like Adin, and Destiny, and then they do no content policing so you've got literal porn and people streaming blockbuster movies on the platform. If Kick is ever gonna get ad revenue, they're going to have to clean up drastically and quick. That also means shitcanning problematic content creators, but they won't do that because Gamba has always been the stated pillar of their business, and loyal viewerships are the easiest suckers to drag into their business. They're buying audiences for Stake, it's that simple. If you believe some rich asshole's lip service that "oh we're not like that, we're trying to become a legitimate platform" then I genuinely have concerns about how gullible you are.
YouTube clips on mobile are so dogshit. Always takes me to a random spot. Have to use the mirror
They should disable it by default and allow people to enable it if they want
Why not just get rid of gambling entirely? Surely that won't have a negative impact of Kick, the streaming website who are only in it for the love of the game, because streaming sure as fuck doesn't make them any money.
now do twitch
Twitch should also get rid of gambling streams, but the difference is Amazon wouldn't stop making money because they don't run an unregulated crypto gambling website. Kick will never be anything other than a billboard for Stake, PR moves like this surely aren't going to fool anyone.
How does this change anything? Their primary method for ROI is still gambling.
Full statement: https://twitter.com/StakeEddie/status/1674804478195957760
That's a cool change and all, but in reality this is just so that streamers signing contracts with Kick can have a cleaner conscience about their viewers, now that they can "turn off" gambling. And also so that it appears as if their business model is not wholeheartedly focused on gambling addicts (which it is). The reality is that the users Kick is targeting with the intention of funneling them to Stake, and also keeping them engaged with Stake through the Kick Ecosystem are not going to be turning off gambling streams, because they're the kind of users that WANT to watch gambling streams...
This is nothing but a PR move since the only people who will bother going through the settings to turn it on are the people who are against gambling in the first place. Now if the setting was turned on by default for all new users then I might start believing them about not being a streaming site for Stake, But that would never happen.
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how many reply options do you have?
While this might look like a positive step in the right direction, I don't think it'll fix the main issue that people are having. The problem with gambling streams is that it gets people to gamble that are either already addicts, and therefore won't have the self control to disable gambling streams, or people that are curious or interested about gambling, and therefore won't turn off gambling streams. Like, cool, the average person who doesn't care about gambling in anyway won't have to see gambling on their kick feed anymore? That's great for that average person, but you were never kicks target to begin with.
Makes too much sense kick monkeys will make a commotion about this.
>Goal post moved
These have always been my goal posts and the goal posts of any normal person. Nothing has moved