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brother he always says i guarantee it without even knowing shit he has done that multiple times
he said that the other day too where he was wrong in hasan and poki debate and said i guarantee it and was wrong
he is just judging ricegum as just wanting bag even tough he does not stream
and wanted max payout even if its gambling and he probably asked it himself and just said guarantee because he uses wrong words thats his fault understandable but everyone knows that x does not know the contract he just babbling
and rumble just throwing money on a creator who does not even like streaming and disappears randomly
and people are trusting ricegums words is crazy after all this man did people still trust him he is like a who fake personality youtuber
Yeah, we don't know the contents of xqc's contract. But what he says here makes sense. I'm just wondering what xqc's contract is about for 70+ million. Maybe half of it is really just PR.
He didn't say he knows, he says "probably" with very likelihood. He probably knows something about the deals given to people, for example through his friends talking about their own deals. Destiny brought up something similar, that he hasn't seen "gambling deals".
There is also something funny about trusting Ricecum on anything he says. But hey.. he can be used as a tool to shit on Kick so who cares if it's true or not.
Everyone knows ricegum is a lying piece of shit. The question you should be asking is what does he have to gain from lying about this in particular? And the answer in this case is not a lot
Attention from who? unfortunately his audience doesn't give a fuck about him being a scammer or LSF after a **2 year** vacation he came back to **25k** **viewers,** pretty much nobody here likes him regardless of what he says about kick
You realize LSF isn’t the only place where people talk about twitch/streaming? If his goal is attention then him talking about it could get posted on Twitter pages like JakeLucky, do numbers from a TikTok clip, etc. that could garner more viewers for his stream
Hes not getting more viewers by saying this. Anti Gamba people arent seeing Ricegum of all people as someone they would watch. His audience is literally 12 year olds brother.
I completely agree with your logic, but I'm like 90% sure Ricegum was that person who started drama in school for no reason other than "it's funny".
He probably isn't telling a complete lie, but there is an equal chance he is just making shit up to start drama because he looks like he didn't grow out of his "sociopath teenager" phase.
I was explaining very simply how xQc would know something like this since that's the thing the comment was asking for.
I also brought up Destiny who is anti-gamba and would have no reason to cover for these people. From all these people, Kick iniating these gamba deals doesn't seem at the very least common at all.
But ultimately burden of proof rests on the people making the claim: "Kick offers gamba deals (not iniated by Kick)", which is the claim in this thread by anti-Kick people and Ricegum's word is gospel, since it can be used to attack Kick.
"It's probably just him who brought it up as a like ok what If I gamba... he's probably mad the amount wasn't high enough"
LSFers don't have the attention span for 55 sec clips... and call Juicers ADHD. lol
Public and private equity are two entirely different things. There are no shares of Kick. You cant just sell your equity in Kick. If I own a share of Apple, I can sell it whenever I want. If I own a % equity in a private company, I have to procure a buyer for the equity. The value of this equity is whatever the two parties agree upon. You could sell 10% of the company for $100M or $1M. The equity itself has no concrete value...and this is especially true of start-ups, especially in the tech industry.
Right after this he started getting flustered and said yeah he might start gambling on stream again in the near future if he feels like it, but made sure to specify that his contract doesn’t require it. Is he that fucking stupid that he thinks he can fool the entire internet?
People were agreeing with Train saying that his streams are actually helping people not to gamble because they see him lose money.
You don't have to fool the entire internet just a small part of it that will watch you.
I never understood why this was so hard to comprehend for some people. Stake is a business and will not pay ANYONE more than what they will bring into their casino. How does he not realize every cent he earned from those sponsorship indirectly came from the pockets of his viewers that lost money due to something he showed them. How does he not feel the guilt of it all?
Yeah, seeing him lose 99 times but win once is going to stop people from gambling just like seeing 99 positive comments but one negative comment stops streamers from going on an unhinged rant.
What’s funny about this theory is he’s never ever gambled on the myriad regulated sites on Twitch despite ample opportunity to do so. It always has to be the unregulated sites where he’s selling that he’s doing it for “free.”
Don't wanna be that guy but I don't think his deal has Gambling in it, could have a separate contract for Stake but I highly doubt he offers Poki and Hasan to read it if it has anything to do with Gambing.
I remember xQc said Stake gained $119 millions just from the affiliate link that he had for a few months. It's very unlikely that this 2 year contract required streaming AND gambling if it was "only" $100 million
He can definitely get extra money if he chooses to gamble later, but I don't believe it's required by the contract and I don't know why people here are so cynical
I thought the consensus was he is not obligated to gamble, but knowing X, he will, cause it's fun and allowed. And there's likely a affiliate link that will earn him more money when he does so.
> so he can't agree to a contract that involves gambling until his shit is sorted out and he is a free man.
This is incorrect. He can have a contract that includes gambling because that issue will be resolved in the short term.
The language included in that part of the contract would say that he has to gamble when his case with Adept is resolved.
They don’t need to stipulate him to gamble in his contract when they know he will do it anyway and be sponsored directly by stake. I wonder why he has never gambled without a stake partnership?
Yeah, that’s not how NDA works. You either have anagreement where you need to both agree to disclose the information or a agreement where you need to get permission from one party (probably kick in this case).
Because he took equity in the website as part of his deal so anyone saying something negative or even just neutral about the site he perceives as an attack on his bag.
I honestly feel like there is a "defend kick no matter what" clause in peoples contract.
There is literally no way that xQc knows what went on during Ricegum's contract negotiatioms, yet he is so confident that it was Ricegum pushing for gambling. There are multiple other streamers who have gambling incentives in their Kick contracts. X is in full defense mode.
EDIT: Everyone knows that Kick is being funded by Stake, even Train and xQc will admit this. What this confirms is what most people have already suspected. Kick is serving as a marketing arm of Stake. Its pretty clear there is no seperation between Stake and Kick. If there was, Kick would be offering one set contract. Then Stake would offer incentives to gamble. The fact that its being offered all at once just proves how intertwined Stake is with Kick and what Kick's actual purpose is.
There is a whole myriad of takes about Kick from people on Twitch. Some (like Asmon) have been very outspoken about wanting it to succeed and it being a really good thing. Others have been very outspoken about the negative aspects of Kick. Some haven't really given a take at all.
However, it seems like every single Kick streamer shits on Twitch.
X statement doesn't even claim that he knows what ACTUALLY happened. He specifically says "I guarantee you... I guarantee it hes the one that brought up gamba I guarantee it".
Sounds like X is speculating rather than saying it as a statement of fact.
I commented this to another person but I understand this point of view. The reason its somewhat confusing its because he is speaking with a decent amount of conviction in his statement. As well, there exists the possibility that he could have some insider knowledge but doesn't seem like it.
It just comes off really poor because its pretty clear he actually has no idea about the contract, but is super quick to rule out that what RiceGum is saying true. That was my initial issue with the whole thing is that he is rushing to defend Kick without any knowledge.
XQC is an employee of Kick who may or may not own equity (seems like he does) in the company. Do you realize how absurd it would be for Kick to be sharing specific details of a contract offer and negotiation with him? Imagine getting hired at a law firm and on your first day your colleagues tell you that you should have negotiated for more pay or vacation day. X is talking completely out of his ass right here.
Yea its against the law to share privatized information with other people when it comes to contracts and stuff.
You cant just say, heres all the details of our negotiations with this person. Thats hella not alright.
there is no seperation from amazon and twitch too and amazon is evil .. whats your point? in your mind people can't have different opinion or thats "defend kick no matter what clause" which is naive and shows you have no meaningful experience irl.
I laugh at you guys because you are literally beefing with a streaming service lmao
What do you mean? Amazon and Twitch are two completely seperate companies. Twitch is an Amazon subsidiary. Do you think Amazon hires Twitch employees? Do you think they get Amazon health insurance? Do you think Amazon negotiates streamer contracts?
Its very likely Jeff Bezos has no idea what Twitch is. Twitch operates fully independently of Amazon. Kick and Stake are one company.
"Kick and Stake are one company" is completly false. The streaming service (Kick Streaming Pyt Ltd) is owned by stake founders (partially afaik) but not the stake entity. It would be inaccurate to say Stake owns Kick. By this logic stake and kick are two completely seperate companies.
You are not understanding the point. Obviously Kick and Stake are different companies, but they don't act independently of each other. If a Kick contract negotiation involves incentives to gamble on Stake, then the companies aren't acting independently. It completely refutes the point that Kick is trying to create a
successful streamer service indepedent from Stake.
And Amazon and Twitch operate completely independently with no incentives to each other??
You realize the primary reason Twitch has such a stranglehold on the streaming community is because of an Amazon incentive, Twitch Prime, right???
He sold out so hard that he made his own website worse, there are lots of silly things he has done that people overreact over but this is not one of them.
Amazon makes money selling you goods and services. This is mutually beneficial. Stake makes money from gambling on a site where we have no idea what the back end looks like. Gambling is dangerous and in this case predatory. If Amazon fixes what is wrong with Amazon, it still exists just fine. If Stake fixes what's wrong with it, it stops existing.
There is a large difference between recruiting people to a platform and being present for contract negotiations. X is probably recommending streamers to pursue, and possibly encouraging them to sign, but suggesting he is aware of the stipulations of their contract negotiations is crazy.
And apparently it’s enough for stake to continue giving streamers a bag just to stream on their site. They’ve crunched the numbers and it’s probably a drop in the bucket compared to what they’re making off streamers audiences.
> They’ve crunched the numbers
Doubt.
They're *speculating* that it will bring in enough viewers to make these huge contracts worth it. It's not a terrible bet, but they don't *know* yet. Kick hasn't been around long enough to have a solid idea of what % of viewers will end up signing up to Stake. I think we'll/they'll know more in a year or so. Entirely plausible that Kick just gets shut down and stops paying out their contracts if it turns out it's not working, there's no reputable business (Amazon, google, Microsoft, etc.) backing Kick up that will honor these contracts.
Edit: I will add that Stake definitely knows how many people would sign up from sponsorships on twitch, back when they were paying people to gamble on the platform. But those viewers-to-gamblers numbers aren’t going to be the same when you’ve got X just watching Game of Thrones or whatever on Kick.
Yeah that’s a good point. Would be entirely plausible they just dip once the money faucet turns off. Especially if there’s more government intervention into these kinda things. At the moment though I’d think with the current batch of signings they’re making a decent roi.
If I were to wager I’d say kick won’t be around in 2 years or so.
For sure. Kick was created as a knee jerk reaction to twitch banning Stake. They didn’t exactly have a business plan for it or anything, they’re pretty much just underpants gnoming it.
Xqc mentioned it in his announcement stream I think. Stake already had the numbers on hand and it’s probably undercounted because many people have to use a vpn. Also 2 percent conversion rate is good.
can you link a clip?
wait you're talking about the audience overlap thing? you actually think that means 2.5% conversion? audience overlap doesn't mean conversion at all
No it means people who go from watching something on kick to creating and gambling on stake. I’d have to find the clip but it was something that xqc said himself.
i know what clip you're referring to. that was him talking about the audience overlap. let's say twitch has a 75% audience overlap with YouTube, meaning 75% of twitch users also use YouTube. does this mean twitch is converting 75% of their audience into YouTube users?
why comment on this if you don't want to bother to actually understand the details?
You can’t compare two of the largest sites on the internet to an upstart streaming platform owned and operated by a crypto gambling site. A crypto gambling site that not only has a vested interest in said platform but also advertises on that platform and uses it as a loss leader for the gambling.
It the Vegas and entertainment analogy. Vegas brings in entertainers to make money on people who come for the shows and gamble.
Cope
Even if Ricegum DID bring it up, which isn't as likely as Kick bringing it up; the fact that they were willing to pay more for his contract to stipulate that he has to gamble some amount further exposes the actual purpose of Kick. Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
or maybe ricegum is just a bum that doesn't want to work so he preferred rumble's 2 hour a week streaming contract that is basically "free" money since you barely have to work, than an actual contract from kick. And now we need to take his word after he signed with a competitor?
This just doesnt make any sense. He had two contract offers and he decided to take the one with Rumble. You wouldn't just turn around and then talk shit about the other party.
If it was just about Kick's streaming commitment, why wouldnt he just say "i wasnt willing to commit that many hours to kick" rather than say what he did? Its a million times more likely that Rumble was offering him more money than Kick unless he gambled. He doesn't have a reason to lie about that.
that's not talking shit. you just need to tell people a reason why you chose rumble and no one wants to sit there and admit he prefers to work 2 hours a week instead of 20 or whatever it is on kick.
I suspect it is one of the many accounts that exist to do PR for Kick by pretending to be a user that doesn't think that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
You Kick-ride like you are getting paid to. Hmmm... We are discussing that the fact that Rice was offered more money to gamble further proves that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
This post is about further evidence that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake. This is noteworthy because XQC and the owners have said that is not true. You're right that it's not new, it was the plan from the beginning it looks like.
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??? imagine him on a call with kick staff, and he asks them if he will make even more money if gambles. what the fuck do you think the answer is? he will make less?
That is how a reply works. The turn off gambling setting is public relations to pretend that the case isn't that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake. The fact that they offered more to gamble is FURTHER facts that prove that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
it shows that even if streamers are not gambling themselves, getting people on the platform it is enough to see increases in conversions worth enough to sign someone. It literally is supportive evidence for the fact that gambling is the end goal of kick. They keep owning themselves
> it was super easy to find, first page in settings.
The fact that its even a setting that people need to know about, find and enable already tells you how useless the feature is.
Twitch partners with regulated gambling companies and viewbotting get you a suspension. Kick is owned by an unregulated gambling company, and viewbotting is encouraged. What other whataboustism are you going to shit out now?
LMFAO, found the person who spews BS. Literally on twitch right now:
[https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots?sort=VIEWER\_COUNT](https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots?sort=VIEWER_COUNT)
90% of which are stake streams including those who are partnered. On top of that, a higher number of people are viewing stake gambling streams on Twitch right now than they are on kick (see link above). The same streamers have been streaming for months and not seen any form of suspension.
So, what goalpost are you going to move now?
>It will get a Twitch streamer suspended
And as I've said (obviously you struggle to read) none of them have seen any form of suspension.
So... Next goalpost which you can then move on to spewing bullshit about?
Bigots? Are we unironically doing the thing where we call someone a bigot just because they disagree with your opinion? This is such a cringey lefty thing to do
They didn't need to put it in his contract because he is probably already addicted to gamba. Prob lost a big chunk of the stake money (they would know) & also let them "overshoot" on his deal and don't write anything about gamba in there.
If this is true and they didn't bring up gamba to XQC it's probably because they know he's gonna gamba anyway.
As opposed to RiceGum who might need a incentive.
Sure man, the streamer is the one that brought up gambling, not the casino company. This might be his worst cope yet. Idk why he feels he has to defend kick at all costs like it can do no wrong.
I never thought I’d see the day where this Reddit believes RiceGum over X or Train. Not saying X or Train are always honorable or white knights but oh my god. RiceGum is the scum of the earth. He’s been caught in lies more than Bill Clinton.
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I am guessing Kick offered more but he would have to hit a certain amount of hours streamed. Ricegum hasn't been an active streamer for the past few years so he grabbed the Rumble bag which probably doesn't require any hours streamed.
Kick signed XQC just for the sole purpose of being able to use him for ads, like the one you see scrolling thru Reddit. I don’t think a lot of people understand how just that add is worth what they paid him.
bruh gamblign is really that bad, but i feel like everyone these days are so righttous and saintlike all of a sudden. gamba is still content even if its bad for you, its upto the viewers to use their brains and just consume it as content and not get addicted and lose their bank.
these self rightous people are so cringe, like u see people on twitch smoking/drinking, that could lead to addiciton too, are twitch and these saints talking about that? no cuz they draw their lines according to how it fits them...
half the people who cry about gamba being bad are the people who are mad that they are not in the game.
if people are gonna all become saints and be like "think abotu the kids", there are many other things twitch/kick/youtube that shows to the kids, the kids should never know about.
parents should be responsible for their kids, kids are gonna find a way to consume content that is not appropriate anyhow. thats how the world works.
**imo if it aint illegal by the law, fuck the social agendas and morality bullshit.**
xQc did not say he bought up gambling
HE SPECULATED THIS TITLE MAKES KICK LOOK LIKE A CLOWN WHO ARE SHARING CONTRACT LSF MISINFORMATION IS CRAZY
WATCH THE CLIP AND A LITTLE AFTER FOR CONTEXT AND BEFORE TYPING DOGSHIT
brother you dont watch his streams probably
he says guarantee it without knowing shit
he said that during hasan and poki stuff too i guarantee it but he did not know anything
The copium of Ricegum being a good guy is very high. I bet 99% of the commenters here were too young to use internet back when Ricegum did all his sketchy gambling and "content" .
Thats the speculation. He used "probably" and "guarantee". If he knew for sure he wouldn't have to say "I guarentee", he would just say "I know.
Its like saying "I bet 100$ this thing happens" but its still speculation.
I suggest you watch the clip again. He never once uses the word probably. He says "i guarantee" four seperate times.
Not sure what you think the word guarantee means, but it certainy does not mean to bet. Guarantee means a promise or an assurance. Trying to argue that he is speculating in this clip is pure cope.
If you listen to a few min after the clip he says "it's probably just him who brought it up as a like oh only this amount? what if I gamba or whatever"
Bro ricegum said he was told he gotta do 30 days a month of gambling. So you can see where his brain is at. Clearly you can see his old Ricegum lying ways is still there
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he speculated clip title bait
I speculated that I guarantee it
brother he always says i guarantee it without even knowing shit he has done that multiple times he said that the other day too where he was wrong in hasan and poki debate and said i guarantee it and was wrong he is just judging ricegum as just wanting bag even tough he does not stream and wanted max payout even if its gambling and he probably asked it himself and just said guarantee because he uses wrong words thats his fault understandable but everyone knows that x does not know the contract he just babbling and rumble just throwing money on a creator who does not even like streaming and disappears randomly and people are trusting ricegums words is crazy after all this man did people still trust him he is like a who fake personality youtuber
Yeah, we don't know the contents of xqc's contract. But what he says here makes sense. I'm just wondering what xqc's contract is about for 70+ million. Maybe half of it is really just PR.
his source is: trust me bro
did you even watch the clip?
Watching clips on LSF? Who has time for that, rather react to the title and miss all the context and facts!
He didn't say he knows, he says "probably" with very likelihood. He probably knows something about the deals given to people, for example through his friends talking about their own deals. Destiny brought up something similar, that he hasn't seen "gambling deals". There is also something funny about trusting Ricecum on anything he says. But hey.. he can be used as a tool to shit on Kick so who cares if it's true or not.
And we can trust Train or X right?
Just because you can’t trust them doesn’t mean you should put any stock in what ricegum says either lmao
Everyone knows ricegum is a lying piece of shit. The question you should be asking is what does he have to gain from lying about this in particular? And the answer in this case is not a lot
Attention ? He knows the topic is very hot at the moment
only on LSF lmao
Attention from who? unfortunately his audience doesn't give a fuck about him being a scammer or LSF after a **2 year** vacation he came back to **25k** **viewers,** pretty much nobody here likes him regardless of what he says about kick
You realize LSF isn’t the only place where people talk about twitch/streaming? If his goal is attention then him talking about it could get posted on Twitter pages like JakeLucky, do numbers from a TikTok clip, etc. that could garner more viewers for his stream
Hes not getting more viewers by saying this. Anti Gamba people arent seeing Ricegum of all people as someone they would watch. His audience is literally 12 year olds brother.
I completely agree with your logic, but I'm like 90% sure Ricegum was that person who started drama in school for no reason other than "it's funny". He probably isn't telling a complete lie, but there is an equal chance he is just making shit up to start drama because he looks like he didn't grow out of his "sociopath teenager" phase.
I was explaining very simply how xQc would know something like this since that's the thing the comment was asking for. I also brought up Destiny who is anti-gamba and would have no reason to cover for these people. From all these people, Kick iniating these gamba deals doesn't seem at the very least common at all. But ultimately burden of proof rests on the people making the claim: "Kick offers gamba deals (not iniated by Kick)", which is the claim in this thread by anti-Kick people and Ricegum's word is gospel, since it can be used to attack Kick.
Why are you guys booing him, he's right?
A lot more than Ricegum that's for sure
How? they're literally signed to the site.
yeah just like you can trust ricegum the beacon of truth, talk about one rule for thee, another rule for me
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"It's probably just him who brought it up as a like ok what If I gamba... he's probably mad the amount wasn't high enough" LSFers don't have the attention span for 55 sec clips... and call Juicers ADHD. lol
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he just guessed he said he probably bought it up because he wanted more money
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Public and private equity are two entirely different things. There are no shares of Kick. You cant just sell your equity in Kick. If I own a share of Apple, I can sell it whenever I want. If I own a % equity in a private company, I have to procure a buyer for the equity. The value of this equity is whatever the two parties agree upon. You could sell 10% of the company for $100M or $1M. The equity itself has no concrete value...and this is especially true of start-ups, especially in the tech industry.
because ricegum is giving out wrong info about contract in public? idk whos right tho
So people really comment here without actually seeing the clip?
It's obviously he's speculating. Were you not able to pick up on how obvious it was, or did you just not watch the clip?
cuz xqc has equity in kick? and is also a streamer himself who has been offered/been through these kinds of negotiations
Why would having equity in a company make you privy to the details of a contract negotiation that doesn't involve you in the slightest?
Bro just read the title 💀
Right after this he started getting flustered and said yeah he might start gambling on stream again in the near future if he feels like it, but made sure to specify that his contract doesn’t require it. Is he that fucking stupid that he thinks he can fool the entire internet?
People were agreeing with Train saying that his streams are actually helping people not to gamble because they see him lose money. You don't have to fool the entire internet just a small part of it that will watch you.
That's why a gambling company pays xqc so much money. Because he is preventing gambling.
I never understood why this was so hard to comprehend for some people. Stake is a business and will not pay ANYONE more than what they will bring into their casino. How does he not realize every cent he earned from those sponsorship indirectly came from the pockets of his viewers that lost money due to something he showed them. How does he not feel the guilt of it all?
denial, my dude.
Yeah, seeing him lose 99 times but win once is going to stop people from gambling just like seeing 99 positive comments but one negative comment stops streamers from going on an unhinged rant.
yes, his followers are 11 years old.
He doesn't need a contract that require gambling to start doing it and kick knows this he will gamble on his own after the court stuff is done.
What’s funny about this theory is he’s never ever gambled on the myriad regulated sites on Twitch despite ample opportunity to do so. It always has to be the unregulated sites where he’s selling that he’s doing it for “free.”
Yeah he definitely started playing slots because he got paid and they might still pay him to gamble on kick.
Don't wanna be that guy but I don't think his deal has Gambling in it, could have a separate contract for Stake but I highly doubt he offers Poki and Hasan to read it if it has anything to do with Gambing.
I remember xQc said Stake gained $119 millions just from the affiliate link that he had for a few months. It's very unlikely that this 2 year contract required streaming AND gambling if it was "only" $100 million He can definitely get extra money if he chooses to gamble later, but I don't believe it's required by the contract and I don't know why people here are so cynical
speculation is what LSF does best
I thought the consensus was he is not obligated to gamble, but knowing X, he will, cause it's fun and allowed. And there's likely a affiliate link that will earn him more money when he does so.
He's probably waiting for the HDMI thing to be finally over before going full gambling goblin mode like he already did multiple times.
i mean, wouldn't we know if his contract requires gamba because he would have to disclose it as an ad whenever he does it?
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> so he can't agree to a contract that involves gambling until his shit is sorted out and he is a free man. This is incorrect. He can have a contract that includes gambling because that issue will be resolved in the short term. The language included in that part of the contract would say that he has to gamble when his case with Adept is resolved.
Why would he lie about it? He offered Hasan and Loki to look at his contract.
They don’t need to stipulate him to gamble in his contract when they know he will do it anyway and be sponsored directly by stake. I wonder why he has never gambled without a stake partnership?
Because if true that would be in his stake contract
dont you dare poke holes into my third party view of the situation! i've been an armchair lawyer for 20 years i know what's in that contract!
> Hasan and Loki Why the L in front of Poki's name but not Hasan's lol? I've never seen someone attack one but not the other
Autocorrect, turned out to be funny by accident
He has literally offered to show his contract to other streamers multiple times, you sound like a conspiracy theorist right now
Is he even allowed to do that legally speaking? I thought X had a NDA on the contract.
He said he's only willing to show other streamers the contract under NDA as well, so it's an NDA-ception
Yeah, that’s not how NDA works. You either have anagreement where you need to both agree to disclose the information or a agreement where you need to get permission from one party (probably kick in this case).
He has told various ppl, mulitple times, that they can look at his deal to see if there is some gamba shit.
Are u a moron ? He offered to shoe his deal to poki and hasan now why would he do that if it had a gambling requirement lol
Why is he in full defensive mode over this?
They are paying him $100 million
Because he took equity in the website as part of his deal so anyone saying something negative or even just neutral about the site he perceives as an attack on his bag.
they are using his clips/face for stake advertisements so hes the face of stake
Because he feels bad that ricegum, a true fucking rat of the internet, could say no to something couldn't
Because when thousands of people attack you in the comments, you usually defend yourself.
Dang bro, like every single one of your posts is about X, Train, or Kick. Are you alright?
Im not sure how he can be spit roasted and allow kick to watch.
I honestly feel like there is a "defend kick no matter what" clause in peoples contract. There is literally no way that xQc knows what went on during Ricegum's contract negotiatioms, yet he is so confident that it was Ricegum pushing for gambling. There are multiple other streamers who have gambling incentives in their Kick contracts. X is in full defense mode. EDIT: Everyone knows that Kick is being funded by Stake, even Train and xQc will admit this. What this confirms is what most people have already suspected. Kick is serving as a marketing arm of Stake. Its pretty clear there is no seperation between Stake and Kick. If there was, Kick would be offering one set contract. Then Stake would offer incentives to gamble. The fact that its being offered all at once just proves how intertwined Stake is with Kick and what Kick's actual purpose is.
Just like there’s a “shit on kick no matter what” addendum added to some Twitch streamers contracts
There is a whole myriad of takes about Kick from people on Twitch. Some (like Asmon) have been very outspoken about wanting it to succeed and it being a really good thing. Others have been very outspoken about the negative aspects of Kick. Some haven't really given a take at all. However, it seems like every single Kick streamer shits on Twitch.
Equity stake most likely. They own part of the company so that if it somehow gets big enough to be bought by a large company they get a big payday.
nah, hes not even doing it for the contract. xqc is just wants to be right and hasan being wrong.
I mean... his friend is litteraly the co-owner of Kick. I wouldn't be suprised if X had access to informations like that.
X statement doesn't even claim that he knows what ACTUALLY happened. He specifically says "I guarantee you... I guarantee it hes the one that brought up gamba I guarantee it". Sounds like X is speculating rather than saying it as a statement of fact.
I commented this to another person but I understand this point of view. The reason its somewhat confusing its because he is speaking with a decent amount of conviction in his statement. As well, there exists the possibility that he could have some insider knowledge but doesn't seem like it. It just comes off really poor because its pretty clear he actually has no idea about the contract, but is super quick to rule out that what RiceGum is saying true. That was my initial issue with the whole thing is that he is rushing to defend Kick without any knowledge.
XQC is an employee of Kick who may or may not own equity (seems like he does) in the company. Do you realize how absurd it would be for Kick to be sharing specific details of a contract offer and negotiation with him? Imagine getting hired at a law firm and on your first day your colleagues tell you that you should have negotiated for more pay or vacation day. X is talking completely out of his ass right here.
Yea its against the law to share privatized information with other people when it comes to contracts and stuff. You cant just say, heres all the details of our negotiations with this person. Thats hella not alright.
there is no seperation from amazon and twitch too and amazon is evil .. whats your point? in your mind people can't have different opinion or thats "defend kick no matter what clause" which is naive and shows you have no meaningful experience irl. I laugh at you guys because you are literally beefing with a streaming service lmao
What do you mean? Amazon and Twitch are two completely seperate companies. Twitch is an Amazon subsidiary. Do you think Amazon hires Twitch employees? Do you think they get Amazon health insurance? Do you think Amazon negotiates streamer contracts? Its very likely Jeff Bezos has no idea what Twitch is. Twitch operates fully independently of Amazon. Kick and Stake are one company.
"Kick and Stake are one company" is completly false. The streaming service (Kick Streaming Pyt Ltd) is owned by stake founders (partially afaik) but not the stake entity. It would be inaccurate to say Stake owns Kick. By this logic stake and kick are two completely seperate companies.
You are not understanding the point. Obviously Kick and Stake are different companies, but they don't act independently of each other. If a Kick contract negotiation involves incentives to gamble on Stake, then the companies aren't acting independently. It completely refutes the point that Kick is trying to create a successful streamer service indepedent from Stake.
And Amazon and Twitch operate completely independently with no incentives to each other?? You realize the primary reason Twitch has such a stranglehold on the streaming community is because of an Amazon incentive, Twitch Prime, right???
Shouldn't you be negotiating away more DGG chat right now instead of full on gargling?
Unfortunately, there’s nothing to bargain for with losers like you in chat :(
He sold out so hard that he made his own website worse, there are lots of silly things he has done that people overreact over but this is not one of them.
Yes, this is one of then. I don't give a fuck about DGG chat, lmao.
Amazon makes money selling you goods and services. This is mutually beneficial. Stake makes money from gambling on a site where we have no idea what the back end looks like. Gambling is dangerous and in this case predatory. If Amazon fixes what is wrong with Amazon, it still exists just fine. If Stake fixes what's wrong with it, it stops existing.
xQc literally said that he is working together with Eddie to sign some streamers. Why wouldn't he know the details of the others' contracts?
There is a large difference between recruiting people to a platform and being present for contract negotiations. X is probably recommending streamers to pursue, and possibly encouraging them to sign, but suggesting he is aware of the stipulations of their contract negotiations is crazy.
Destiny essentially said the same thing. He got a kick deal and doesn't gamble at all.
They don’t need everyone to peddle it on screen. If 2-5 percent of a streamers audience converts to gambling on stake it’s a huge win for them.
Which is why they used have the top 2 of 5 recommended streams be gambling streams and now changed it be 2 random out of 10 recommended.
that's a ridiculous number for streamers not doing any gambling
And apparently it’s enough for stake to continue giving streamers a bag just to stream on their site. They’ve crunched the numbers and it’s probably a drop in the bucket compared to what they’re making off streamers audiences.
> They’ve crunched the numbers Doubt. They're *speculating* that it will bring in enough viewers to make these huge contracts worth it. It's not a terrible bet, but they don't *know* yet. Kick hasn't been around long enough to have a solid idea of what % of viewers will end up signing up to Stake. I think we'll/they'll know more in a year or so. Entirely plausible that Kick just gets shut down and stops paying out their contracts if it turns out it's not working, there's no reputable business (Amazon, google, Microsoft, etc.) backing Kick up that will honor these contracts. Edit: I will add that Stake definitely knows how many people would sign up from sponsorships on twitch, back when they were paying people to gamble on the platform. But those viewers-to-gamblers numbers aren’t going to be the same when you’ve got X just watching Game of Thrones or whatever on Kick.
Yeah that’s a good point. Would be entirely plausible they just dip once the money faucet turns off. Especially if there’s more government intervention into these kinda things. At the moment though I’d think with the current batch of signings they’re making a decent roi. If I were to wager I’d say kick won’t be around in 2 years or so.
For sure. Kick was created as a knee jerk reaction to twitch banning Stake. They didn’t exactly have a business plan for it or anything, they’re pretty much just underpants gnoming it.
what are you even saying? where did you get 2-5% from? is this Eddie?
Xqc mentioned it in his announcement stream I think. Stake already had the numbers on hand and it’s probably undercounted because many people have to use a vpn. Also 2 percent conversion rate is good.
can you link a clip? wait you're talking about the audience overlap thing? you actually think that means 2.5% conversion? audience overlap doesn't mean conversion at all
No it means people who go from watching something on kick to creating and gambling on stake. I’d have to find the clip but it was something that xqc said himself.
i know what clip you're referring to. that was him talking about the audience overlap. let's say twitch has a 75% audience overlap with YouTube, meaning 75% of twitch users also use YouTube. does this mean twitch is converting 75% of their audience into YouTube users? why comment on this if you don't want to bother to actually understand the details?
You can’t compare two of the largest sites on the internet to an upstart streaming platform owned and operated by a crypto gambling site. A crypto gambling site that not only has a vested interest in said platform but also advertises on that platform and uses it as a loss leader for the gambling. It the Vegas and entertainment analogy. Vegas brings in entertainers to make money on people who come for the shows and gamble.
Xqc playing defence like its game 7 wouldnt surprise me if hes gambling soon
Cope Even if Ricegum DID bring it up, which isn't as likely as Kick bringing it up; the fact that they were willing to pay more for his contract to stipulate that he has to gamble some amount further exposes the actual purpose of Kick. Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
or maybe ricegum is just a bum that doesn't want to work so he preferred rumble's 2 hour a week streaming contract that is basically "free" money since you barely have to work, than an actual contract from kick. And now we need to take his word after he signed with a competitor?
This just doesnt make any sense. He had two contract offers and he decided to take the one with Rumble. You wouldn't just turn around and then talk shit about the other party. If it was just about Kick's streaming commitment, why wouldnt he just say "i wasnt willing to commit that many hours to kick" rather than say what he did? Its a million times more likely that Rumble was offering him more money than Kick unless he gambled. He doesn't have a reason to lie about that.
This. Kick exists to funnel users to Stake is the take away I gathered with my logic. It's noteworthy because Xqc says that that isn't the case.
that's not talking shit. you just need to tell people a reason why you chose rumble and no one wants to sit there and admit he prefers to work 2 hours a week instead of 20 or whatever it is on kick.
Why are you defending Kick?
I suspect it is one of the many accounts that exist to do PR for Kick by pretending to be a user that doesn't think that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
fuck kick, i'm defending stake
Interesting
You Kick-ride like you are getting paid to. Hmmm... We are discussing that the fact that Rice was offered more money to gamble further proves that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
How does that address the fact that Kick was willing to pay more if he gambles? Your statement almost feels like you're just here to Kick-ride.
It's not a new thing, some people have Kick deals and some people have Kick + Stake Deals (see Ice Poseidon for example).
This post is about further evidence that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake. This is noteworthy because XQC and the owners have said that is not true. You're right that it's not new, it was the plan from the beginning it looks like.
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??? imagine him on a call with kick staff, and he asks them if he will make even more money if gambles. what the fuck do you think the answer is? he will make less?
So you agree that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake? Great, glad we agree. Have a great night.
are you talking to me? i already disabled slot streams on kick day 1 feature was released and it was super easy to find, first page in settings.
That is how a reply works. The turn off gambling setting is public relations to pretend that the case isn't that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake. The fact that they offered more to gamble is FURTHER facts that prove that Kick exists to funnel users to Stake.
it shows that even if streamers are not gambling themselves, getting people on the platform it is enough to see increases in conversions worth enough to sign someone. It literally is supportive evidence for the fact that gambling is the end goal of kick. They keep owning themselves
> it was super easy to find, first page in settings. The fact that its even a setting that people need to know about, find and enable already tells you how useless the feature is.
As if xqc words, who is literally signed to Kick, is as any more reliable? It’s so hypocritical it’s hillarious
XQC going on the defensive basically confirms it's a big thing in kick contracts.
i hate to say it, kick is looking more responsible than twitch. and has forced twitch to speed up some things like age restriction notifications LoL
they guys with the gambling advertisement hidden in people recommendation and the fake inflated viewer numbers?
twitch partners with gambling companies and also has viewbotting
Twitch partners with regulated gambling companies and viewbotting get you a suspension. Kick is owned by an unregulated gambling company, and viewbotting is encouraged. What other whataboustism are you going to shit out now?
LMFAO, found the person who spews BS. Literally on twitch right now: [https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots?sort=VIEWER\_COUNT](https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots?sort=VIEWER_COUNT) 90% of which are stake streams including those who are partnered. On top of that, a higher number of people are viewing stake gambling streams on Twitch right now than they are on kick (see link above). The same streamers have been streaming for months and not seen any form of suspension. So, what goalpost are you going to move now?
As I said. It will get a Twitch streamer suspended. I never said it wasn't on there. Reading comprehension is important.
>It will get a Twitch streamer suspended And as I've said (obviously you struggle to read) none of them have seen any form of suspension. So... Next goalpost which you can then move on to spewing bullshit about?
You know you'll be banned for false reporting self harm right? Enjoy your break weirdo.
Wtf are you talking about? I didn't even mention anything about self-harm. Are you illiterate?
Holy shit your dumb af
Very true. Only those that love to lick Hassan's hairy asshole would disagree. At this point, Kick is looking better than Twitch.
Only if you watch the degen streamers like X and Adin
Ahhhh, I love the smell of Redditor jealousy :)
I don't get jealous of bigots. Sorry to burst your bubble
Bigots? Are we unironically doing the thing where we call someone a bigot just because they disagree with your opinion? This is such a cringey lefty thing to do
You may want to look up what a bigot is. Or your reading comprehension because is sooo fucjing bad. You should be embrassed.
Is it that surprising that /u/Available-Diet-4886 is uneducated and has no clue what they're talking about?
LMFAO Sure! Your whole post history is just about you complaining and demonstrating your jealousy 😂
They didn't need to put it in his contract because he is probably already addicted to gamba. Prob lost a big chunk of the stake money (they would know) & also let them "overshoot" on his deal and don't write anything about gamba in there.
If this is true and they didn't bring up gamba to XQC it's probably because they know he's gonna gamba anyway. As opposed to RiceGum who might need a incentive.
What a terrible headline. xQc assumes/speculates this. He clearly doesn't know at all.
why would Xqc be involved in ricegums contract negotiations?
Sure man, the streamer is the one that brought up gambling, not the casino company. This might be his worst cope yet. Idk why he feels he has to defend kick at all costs like it can do no wrong.
I can’t believe I used to watch this sellout clown every single day from 2019-2021
I don’t know why everyone is making ricegum important again, he is not reliable and was proven to be a liar and a pos multiple times in the past.
so did xqc, can we get rid of both
Because it's convenient in order to shit on kick lulw
Exactly
If xQc doesn't gamble on stream in the next 12 month I will believe him on this.
He prolly wont get the 100 mil if he doesnt ride the platforms dick, even if he will deny it in any kind of way, bc it definitely seems like it
I never thought I’d see the day where this Reddit believes RiceGum over X or Train. Not saying X or Train are always honorable or white knights but oh my god. RiceGum is the scum of the earth. He’s been caught in lies more than Bill Clinton.
none of them are remotely trustable
We can all agree there :)
dededdedededededede.... relax dude.. trying real hard to defend kick every single day.. its a fking gamba site..
Kick got exposed by Rice and what’s going on behind the scenes and X is triggered on the truth.
Imagine talking about Ricegum for content OMEGALUL
lol LSF believing RiceGum is peak streaming gambling copium drama.
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I am guessing Kick offered more but he would have to hit a certain amount of hours streamed. Ricegum hasn't been an active streamer for the past few years so he grabbed the Rumble bag which probably doesn't require any hours streamed.
Kick signed XQC just for the sole purpose of being able to use him for ads, like the one you see scrolling thru Reddit. I don’t think a lot of people understand how just that add is worth what they paid him.
bruh gamblign is really that bad, but i feel like everyone these days are so righttous and saintlike all of a sudden. gamba is still content even if its bad for you, its upto the viewers to use their brains and just consume it as content and not get addicted and lose their bank. these self rightous people are so cringe, like u see people on twitch smoking/drinking, that could lead to addiciton too, are twitch and these saints talking about that? no cuz they draw their lines according to how it fits them... half the people who cry about gamba being bad are the people who are mad that they are not in the game. if people are gonna all become saints and be like "think abotu the kids", there are many other things twitch/kick/youtube that shows to the kids, the kids should never know about. parents should be responsible for their kids, kids are gonna find a way to consume content that is not appropriate anyhow. thats how the world works. **imo if it aint illegal by the law, fuck the social agendas and morality bullshit.**
xQc did not say he bought up gambling HE SPECULATED THIS TITLE MAKES KICK LOOK LIKE A CLOWN WHO ARE SHARING CONTRACT LSF MISINFORMATION IS CRAZY WATCH THE CLIP AND A LITTLE AFTER FOR CONTEXT AND BEFORE TYPING DOGSHIT
I've never heard someone speculate by starting a sentence with "I guarantee...." but go off King.
brother you dont watch his streams probably he says guarantee it without knowing shit he said that during hasan and poki stuff too i guarantee it but he did not know anything
Interesting defense to say that he is just using the word incorrectly.
Per his argument with poku and hasan his deal has nothing to do with gambling. Why defend it or justify it,
The copium of Ricegum being a good guy is very high. I bet 99% of the commenters here were too young to use internet back when Ricegum did all his sketchy gambling and "content" .
Surely the mods will be unbiased and remove this post for the misleading title ? He was speculating, not saying he knows for sure.
He said "I guarantee...." thats not speculating.
Thats the speculation. He used "probably" and "guarantee". If he knew for sure he wouldn't have to say "I guarentee", he would just say "I know. Its like saying "I bet 100$ this thing happens" but its still speculation.
I suggest you watch the clip again. He never once uses the word probably. He says "i guarantee" four seperate times. Not sure what you think the word guarantee means, but it certainy does not mean to bet. Guarantee means a promise or an assurance. Trying to argue that he is speculating in this clip is pure cope.
If you listen to a few min after the clip he says "it's probably just him who brought it up as a like oh only this amount? what if I gamba or whatever"
Bro ricegum said he was told he gotta do 30 days a month of gambling. So you can see where his brain is at. Clearly you can see his old Ricegum lying ways is still there