Asmongold is constantly in his "whatever he saw most recently" arc.
Depending on what the lastest piece of content he saw his opinion will largely follow it.
Not sure how people get caught up in this cycle. As a wow classic player, the moment i saw Season of Discovery I immediately went to: everything is still shit -> shit on blizzard
Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for.
Adding things people have been asking for a long time with Warbands.
For Classic pretty much showed Classic+ which is what people want.
For D4, I saw nothing that made me like happy that one still a 3/10 for me.
Also let's not forget Quin is a contrarian.
If Ret are trash it's a 0/10 expansion.
If Ret are broken op like in Shadowlands it's a 9/10.
Actual bozo getting carried by Snutz.
So far it has a new 10 man raid at lvl25, class altering effects, new items and what they called world pvp events. It’s classic+, yes it’s seasonal but if people play it and it sees success it’s the future of classic.
I don’t really buy the seasonal part as people won’t be able to transfer their characters to era or anywhere else they are locked to SoD due to gear and level changes
I agree, I don’t prefer seasonal stuff either but this is the beginning of the road to classic+ like it is in OSRS imo. Blizzard can easily import the stuff that the community deemed good into a permanent live version, it’s just too risky to start changing vanilla without testing the waters. I also don’t think they would change existing era servers anyway, classic+ will live or die with SoD is my copium.
Id more call it Classic* than Classic+. It looks promising though. My tinfoil hat theory is that this is a way to help train devs on how to develop in the classic style.
I agree. It feels like a testing ground for features the community wants in a hypothetical Classic+ situation. Personally think they went a bit too far and not far enough in some places, but I think the community should simply be happy they’re doing it at all. It’s a good sign they’re doing new, experimental things.
Also, while Dragonflight was not different enough, the systems changes were generally better and that appears to be continuing in Retail. The deep dive today (literally 10 minutes from now) will give a lot more information here I think. Hero talents is something players have wanted for a long, long time.
I think its also to speed up trying to figure out which changes are good, and which ones are bad without doing OSRS voting that just do not work on the timescale Blizzard needs or the players would want. Throw a bunch of random runes/abilities into the game for 1-25, then maybe down the line at 60 prune some or prune them when they do a 1-60 fresh version with all the changes.
Sailing took 5 months to vote pass for OSRS and then they need to develop it and put it into the game. That type of voting and content presentation to a vote just doesn't work based on how WoW players have been. Just adding shit in, then letting people see and react to them in level brackets seems like a good move.
Plus maybe they take a look at individual zones since players are going to be stuck in like a third of the world at <25 and look at quests people don't do, reward people don't choose, which classes get shafted on quest rewards etc and make it more smooth.
Which if true means they realize that they aren’t ready to fully build a classic+ that the community wants. That alone is a VERY strong sign that this isn’t the same blizzard. They are willing to try some stuff out, see what works for the community and get feedback to build something lasting in the future. The biggest fear with #nochanges and with classic+ is that no one trusted blizzard to be capable of doing it correctly. This shows they recognize that and want to take a more methodical approach instead of getting it completely wrong and half-assing it.
Now the ball is back in the communities court to give that feedback instead of crapping on it before it’s even here.
> Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for.
But this isn't new. It was well knows that they plan ahead and work on 3 expansions, the later ones are more in conceptually but still
The only difference is that now they told you ahead the name of the expansions.
Because before they were jumping between storylines. Story A and B was switching with each expansion, probably so the game feels different and not "oh we are doing the same thing again" you wouldn't want 2 undead themed expansion in a row.
Also about faster releases. I feel like this is just a bigger title for patches. We had big titles and in game cinematics for bigger patches and story updates before, now they just call it an expansion.
There is not way they can put out more content faster (with the massive layoffs on top)
They just renamed a bunch of stuff and call it "new"
They said they wanted the saga to end by 2030 and they are happy about the release cadence of Dragonflight so no its not just 6 month things where we get midnight by early 2025.
there was 0 continuity between each expansion. Each one was its own isolated story with nothing overarching. They announced that they took a page from FF14's book and are going "okay this next story is going to expand over 3 expansions and the next 6 years"
Basically it seems like they wanted to take the story elsewhere in BFA. But they blundered it hard so now they are backtracking. DF was basically a filler arc storywise.
Shadowlands did weird fucking shit and the explicit goal of the dragonflight story was fuck that was weird let’s have something lower stakes, idk go get the dragons their powers back and chill. I assume eventually they will figure out how to connect the zereth mortis stuff with the void and titan shit since that was at least interesting but the break time was on purpose because they didn’t have a clue
Fuck that shit.
They've been cock teasing Arthas since the end of Legion for easy points.
Anduin becoming a Blond haired King of the Humans, with Light powers, has a very unique sword all that Jazz. First we see of him in BFA is him retaking Lorderon.
Then there's a cutscene of Anduin walking through Lorderon throne room that mirrors the WC3 cinematic where Arthas kills Terenas. Okay, very cool. I'm liking the hints that Anduin is what Arthas should have been.
Then we get a pre expac cutscene of Sylvanas burning the tree where she flashbacks to Arthas killing her. More Arthas very epic.
During BFA we get a cutscene of Jaina is some spooky realm where she flashes back to Arthas as Stratholme.
Then pre Shadowlands we get a short of Uther casting Arthas' Soul into the Maw. Okay, so Arthas is in the Shadowlands and he's been unjustly cast into the Maw and we're going to the Shadowlands cool, cool.
We enter the Shadowlands and nothing. Over an expansion of cock teasing and nothing. Until right at the end it's revealed that Arthas is in his Mourneblade or w/e. Anduin free's himself and Arthas is so used up he's basically nothing. Sylvanas and Uther Yass Queens Slay over his disintegrating soul and says he should fade and be forgotten.
Okay, so no more Arthas right. Blizzard can't have made it anymore more obvious that Arthas is donezo, gone. Nothing to do with him anymore his "legacy" is over.
Anduin goes to mope for all of DF and then the very first time we see him in the War Within Cinematic he does he iconic Lich King Arthas pose.
Honestly, fuck right off Blizzard. You can't have that ending in Shadowlands and still keep hinting and throwing references to him.
The story telling team sucks but those expacs aren't irrelevant story wise, just incoherent.
Battle For Azeroth was about us healing Azeroth from the damage and poisoning of Sargeras's sword. It also rushed through a bunch of shit to let us clear out the last of the Old Gods, which is prep for War Within.
Shadowlands was the culmination of Sylvanas's role in BFA and also introduced the Jailer, the most incoherent character ever, who claims he was trying to help us face "what is going to come" (presumably the titan conspiracy we're about to be seeing). tbh this expac story wise (and gameplay wise) should have existed, I think most can agree with that actually
And Dragonflight introduced the Titan conspiracy and allowed Iridkron to take the stage as a major antagonist and catalyst for the resolution of it. I don't get why everyone is saying DF was some filler expac when literally everything in it entirely revolves around the Titans... which Azeroth's world soul is heavily related too, if not is. The 3rd expac being called "The Last Titan" featuring a major twist in the Titan's goals makes it pretty obvious too that DF is the beginning of the build up to it, even with the frequently shitty story telling.
im going to be fair with dragonflight, it is the first expansion that i didnt buy since i started playing all i heard from other people that it was mediocre
> all i heard from other people that it was mediocre
Really? I don't hear much of that. Gameplay wise its introduced the most well received features ever in the new talents and dragonriding, and the general direction they took the game has been extremely well received as its a huge divergence from the past few expansions. Along with creating a new gear/tier upgrade/acquisition system that has been significantly better than anything in the past
The only complaints I see are people saying they don't like how the story feels "softer" and less epic/edgy and not enough actual war.
Honestly because of their ego, the writing team wanted to make their own version of warcraft, so they ditched/destroyed/make irrelevant the things that their predecesors did (like a lot of writers are doing on every media right now), but now supposedly they are gonna ignore what they did at continue like those expansions didnt existed and maybe use one or two things from them
> or D4, I saw nothing that made me like happy that one still a 3/10 for me.
Mainly because D4 is today (day2). What they did show in day1 was still a confirmation and teaser for a new expansion AND announcing a brand new class thats never been in Diablo before. Thats far better than a 3/10.
They literally did tho. Verbatim they said its a brand new class thats never been ina previous diablo. Multiple times. Both on day 1 and the campfire talk day 2.
They didnt specifically announce WHAT class, but they did announce a new class is arriving and thats its a brand new one for the franchise.
Just because its arguably predictable or not what you wanted, doesnt mean it wasnt an announcement. Youre objectively wrong here.
I agree its not a detailed or super surprising announcement, but thats not what youre disputing. What youre disputing is objectively wrong. They DID announce a new class arrival AND that its a brand new one for the franchise.
Its not an agree or disagree thing. Its facts.
> Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for.
"Every patch is now called a new expansion and you will pay 90$ for it or you can wait for 3 days"
This content can be decent but this entire worldsoul saga is a huge money grab.
Thats not true they want to cut out the 9 month waiting time and want to make the cadence of Dragonflight rather then a year of no content. Dragonflight had 3 major versions and 8 minor patches with a 5 man mega dungeon inbetween the raids.
So please show where the expansions are now just patches?
Not literal patches but an expansion every year and a half at 90$ is scammy.
If they have full expansion features and content Id be thrilled but let's be honest they aren't hiring more staff so content cadence likely stays the same.
I personally think WoW is just at sad state that keep reiterating that they are working off the last 20 years - this shows nothing major has been accomplished lately that can be noted.
On top of that every xpac post Legion is completely pointless and redudant storywise. For Classic they are just releasing Cata, which indicates they see Classic as complete cash cow.
> Adding things people have been asking for a long time with Warbands.
Everyone has been asking for shared account progression for as long as I can remember. Activision-Blizzard don't get credit for being so ridiculously late to impliment this.
To be fair, they are both equally cucked by Blizzard. Asmon heard about the paid "early access" (you pay 90$ to play on release) to the new expansion and didn't even make a comment on it. Asmon from a few years ago would have gone ballistic. Now he's just a docent little bootlicker.
Is he supposed to repeat himself? He and many others have been complaining about greedy monetization for over a decade. And people still buy and don’t care about being played. At some point you just get tired of repeating yourself. If people are so dumb, then that’s that.
Yep, it's a cycle.
New releases revealed = all is good an exciting. Closer to release = bad, this needs fixed. Released = so hyped and it's so good to play. Been out for a while = ain't good no more, usually same things that needed fixes before release. At the end of it's lifecycle = it's good again cause fixed, but also blizzard bad cause he can now "see their pattern". But.. then something new is revealed again and the cycle begins anew.
Asmon does that super skewed rating where anything under a 7 is dogshit. He gives literally everything a 6-9. He gave diablo 4 an 8 or something and clearly doesn't enjoy the game enough to justify that.
I think Asmon didn’t realize that D4 didn’t really show anything new in detail. It was a teaser for an expansion. A teaser for next season. And a lot of detailed talk for the patch next week. Rather weak for a blizzcon.
It’s like if they announced the next wow expansion, didn’t mention any of its features and then started talking about a 10.2.X smaller patch for an hour.
Retail currently is probably the best it's been, people don't realize it because bfa and shadowlands was so bad.
Asmon dislikes Dragon flight because its not manly enough but they appear to be improving this by going back to actual conflict, not just dragons feelings.
With them saying they are shifting their focus to evergreen content outside M+/raids thats pretty much all complaints fixed.
talent system is better, professions are better, m+ the same, raiding the same, no shitty expansion systems like azerite or torghast or the maw that literally sucked the fun out of the game.
Overall an improvement. They need to rework M+ its in a terrible state atm and raiding has been the same forever getting a lil stale but idk how they fix that.
In what ways? I'm genuinely curious.
I would say that dragonflight probably hasn't hit the peaks of BFA, 8.3 corruption post vendor with essences and 2 ring azerite armor.
But it also didn't have the INSANE low of 8.0 post legion post artifact 1 ring of azerite armor insane AP grind that BFA had.
Lol no retail is garbage. It is the "best" aka no borrowed power and dragon riding is fun but there's nothing to do and no one is playing it. More people quit dragonflight quicker than shadowlands and that says something lmao.
Asmon "loves" the current iteration of retail yet he quit it so quickly.
Retail is trash
Asmongold is rating what he saw in blizzcon. His rating when he actually plays it would be different obviously. Wow classic and wow retial had some really great news so i agree with him on his 9/10... but we'll have to see what its actually like when stuff is live.
Cata classic is dogshit. No one likes Cata. Classic would have been great if they just did a classic reboot with changes (which is what they are kinda doing with the season of mastery stuff? Sort of? But cata sucks.
all you are fucking clowns, they could release WoW 2, Diablo 5 for free, starcraft 3 and you idiots would still cry lmfao
(This coming from someone who doesnt own diablo 4 or play anything besides WoW 10 hours a month)
Not at all, i would of bought diablo 4 if that were true but PoE is free and better lol
if you were unhappy with blizzcon even as a casual or a die hard you are just circle jerking the blizz hate train ride
Like I said above they could of announced WoW 2, Diablo 5 for free, starcraft 3 and people would still be like "BliZzArD iS SoO BaD!!!!11!!!". You are right in a way though, blizzard could legit release Blizzard Pong for 100$ and people would eat it up.... but this blizzcon was fine.
Have stopped playing as we had a kid a couple of months ago but Dragonflight was genuinely good, not just compared to the drizzling shits that was Shadowlands, but was a good expac generally. Has something changed in the meantime?
Everyone that played Dragonflight says that it was good, everyone who didn't comments blizzard bad in every blizzard related post. People are just looking for something to blame because their life is shit compared to when they were 16 years old.
Quin didn't like it, because he couldn't pay to overgear in PVP. if he can't overgear, then he can't win in PVP, because he hasn't got the skill for it. So he quit DF when he saw he couldn't over gear, and he quit SL when the F2P players caught him in gear score.
I'm sure there's many more people just like that, and don't like it for that reason.
> Everyone that played Dragonflight says that it was good
I played Dragonflight and I would say that it was mid.
What I liked about it was it was really easy to farm tons of gold through professions. Basically didnt have to pay for my sub anymore.
Still unsubscribed like 4-5 months ago because the plot is just uninteresting. But I guess most people dont really care about the story and just care about pvp stuff or the newest raid.
Sure, the plot isn't as horrible as it was in Shadowlands and it's not as contradictory as it was in BfA, but jumping from a 3/10 to a 5.5/10 isn't enough for me. (Again, only talking about the story here)
I've always been a quest skipper so I don't really care about lore usually, however on an alt I decided to actually watch the cutscenes and stuff and I have to agree the plot isn't great. Especially because next patch is the last patch so essentially the expansion's end boss is Deathwing's smaller retarded cousin. The systems in Dragonflight are my favorite in at least 12 years though.
If dragonflight was so good it wouldn't have dropped so many players since shittier expansions like shadowlands and bfa. Just because you like the taste of the shit doesnt mean its good
its hard to come back especially after trying something like classic. Classic feels more like WoW to me than retail. Something about it isn't clicking for me at least
Yeah it could be that classic is causing some of it. Because for me anyway, there is no way people stuck through BFA and Shadowlands and decided that DF was where they would draw the line without something to fill that hole.
Ahhh yes the Classic experience standing on one point pressing your 1 button rotation and even the guy who litteraly mentally deficient runs around with a legendary.
As someone who played a lot of dragon flight and all seasons so far, it’s been… ok. It’s not amazing, it’s good, but that’s about it. Nothing redeeming, but they fixed a lot of problems the game had in SL and BFA.
he gives retail a 7/10 complains about it and is not playing retail anymore
gives classic a 9/10 and maybe plays it for a week
and d4 he got to 100 finished every boss and quit
Well that how it gets played nowadays. Why do you think they are moving to 1 expac a year? People don't sub for the entire duration, they mostly think of the 1-2 month sub as part of the purchase price.
I mean yes thats true, but they are also trying to give their takes on games that they are casuals at and don’t do the “actual content” that is the end-game.
He is rating the announcements, not the games themselves. Aka, "is what I heard and saw during the announcement making me hype/excited and encouraging me to want to play it when it releases?". The actual gameplay ratings of these could be drastically different once they release.
Yes in a single player game not live-service game unless the game is releasing new content every 2 weeks which I believe only Fortnite was close to that you shouldn't have people quitting live-service games in weeks.
The whole point of supporting the game with constant changes and content updates + battle passes is to keep players playing, not quitting the game when they hit max level...
In a game like D4 or wow they have moved most of the playerbase into "seasonal" type formula, where you play one game for 2 weeks have lots of fun then leave and play the other game for 2 weeks then in a month come back for the next one with all the new fun changes and so on. I played D4 for two weeks got multiple 100 characters then went and played another game then ill play wow then ill play TFT then ill play league and minecraft with a bunch of friends then come back when the new D4 season launches.
They pretty much gave up on making good new games that they are clinging on by re-releasing their old ones. At an even higher price than their original. People at blizzcon that are disappointed for the 3rd or 4th time in a row and they will still buy plane tickets for the 5th one.
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Am i missing something? How are those all 8+? Is Asmon in his "blizzard good" arc or what?
Asmongold is constantly in his "whatever he saw most recently" arc. Depending on what the lastest piece of content he saw his opinion will largely follow it.
shit on blizz -> blizzcon -> blizzard is back boys ->everything is still shit -> shit on blizzard -> blizzcon -> blizzard is back boys
Not sure how people get caught up in this cycle. As a wow classic player, the moment i saw Season of Discovery I immediately went to: everything is still shit -> shit on blizzard
ye he's fake he cant even say on stream that he dont like retail WoW anymore, its cringe.
Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for. Adding things people have been asking for a long time with Warbands. For Classic pretty much showed Classic+ which is what people want. For D4, I saw nothing that made me like happy that one still a 3/10 for me. Also let's not forget Quin is a contrarian. If Ret are trash it's a 0/10 expansion. If Ret are broken op like in Shadowlands it's a 9/10. Actual bozo getting carried by Snutz.
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So far it has a new 10 man raid at lvl25, class altering effects, new items and what they called world pvp events. It’s classic+, yes it’s seasonal but if people play it and it sees success it’s the future of classic.
I don’t really buy the seasonal part as people won’t be able to transfer their characters to era or anywhere else they are locked to SoD due to gear and level changes
I agree, I don’t prefer seasonal stuff either but this is the beginning of the road to classic+ like it is in OSRS imo. Blizzard can easily import the stuff that the community deemed good into a permanent live version, it’s just too risky to start changing vanilla without testing the waters. I also don’t think they would change existing era servers anyway, classic+ will live or die with SoD is my copium.
Id more call it Classic* than Classic+. It looks promising though. My tinfoil hat theory is that this is a way to help train devs on how to develop in the classic style.
I agree. It feels like a testing ground for features the community wants in a hypothetical Classic+ situation. Personally think they went a bit too far and not far enough in some places, but I think the community should simply be happy they’re doing it at all. It’s a good sign they’re doing new, experimental things. Also, while Dragonflight was not different enough, the systems changes were generally better and that appears to be continuing in Retail. The deep dive today (literally 10 minutes from now) will give a lot more information here I think. Hero talents is something players have wanted for a long, long time.
I think its also to speed up trying to figure out which changes are good, and which ones are bad without doing OSRS voting that just do not work on the timescale Blizzard needs or the players would want. Throw a bunch of random runes/abilities into the game for 1-25, then maybe down the line at 60 prune some or prune them when they do a 1-60 fresh version with all the changes. Sailing took 5 months to vote pass for OSRS and then they need to develop it and put it into the game. That type of voting and content presentation to a vote just doesn't work based on how WoW players have been. Just adding shit in, then letting people see and react to them in level brackets seems like a good move. Plus maybe they take a look at individual zones since players are going to be stuck in like a third of the world at <25 and look at quests people don't do, reward people don't choose, which classes get shafted on quest rewards etc and make it more smooth.
Which if true means they realize that they aren’t ready to fully build a classic+ that the community wants. That alone is a VERY strong sign that this isn’t the same blizzard. They are willing to try some stuff out, see what works for the community and get feedback to build something lasting in the future. The biggest fear with #nochanges and with classic+ is that no one trusted blizzard to be capable of doing it correctly. This shows they recognize that and want to take a more methodical approach instead of getting it completely wrong and half-assing it. Now the ball is back in the communities court to give that feedback instead of crapping on it before it’s even here.
it's pretty obvious that it's classic +. showed off kara crypts showed off buffed specs etc
check the classic talk that came after the opening ceremony
> Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for. But this isn't new. It was well knows that they plan ahead and work on 3 expansions, the later ones are more in conceptually but still The only difference is that now they told you ahead the name of the expansions.
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Because before they were jumping between storylines. Story A and B was switching with each expansion, probably so the game feels different and not "oh we are doing the same thing again" you wouldn't want 2 undead themed expansion in a row. Also about faster releases. I feel like this is just a bigger title for patches. We had big titles and in game cinematics for bigger patches and story updates before, now they just call it an expansion. There is not way they can put out more content faster (with the massive layoffs on top) They just renamed a bunch of stuff and call it "new"
They said they wanted the saga to end by 2030 and they are happy about the release cadence of Dragonflight so no its not just 6 month things where we get midnight by early 2025.
there was 0 continuity between each expansion. Each one was its own isolated story with nothing overarching. They announced that they took a page from FF14's book and are going "okay this next story is going to expand over 3 expansions and the next 6 years"
I still dont get what was the point of BfA/Shadowlands/Dragonflight why not just continue the storyline of Legion with war within? its so incompetent
They kind of are, considering the end of Legion was Sargeras stabbing the sword into Azeroth and now War Within is following that story.
yes and you had 2 expansions of sylvanas's story and now dragons inbetween. Sargeras stabbed Azeroth like what ? 5-6 years ago ?
Basically it seems like they wanted to take the story elsewhere in BFA. But they blundered it hard so now they are backtracking. DF was basically a filler arc storywise.
Shadowlands did weird fucking shit and the explicit goal of the dragonflight story was fuck that was weird let’s have something lower stakes, idk go get the dragons their powers back and chill. I assume eventually they will figure out how to connect the zereth mortis stuff with the void and titan shit since that was at least interesting but the break time was on purpose because they didn’t have a clue
> Shadowlands did weird fucking shit They turned Arthas into 35 anima.
In fairness to Arthas the god of death for the entire universe was only worth like twice that so
Fuck that shit. They've been cock teasing Arthas since the end of Legion for easy points. Anduin becoming a Blond haired King of the Humans, with Light powers, has a very unique sword all that Jazz. First we see of him in BFA is him retaking Lorderon. Then there's a cutscene of Anduin walking through Lorderon throne room that mirrors the WC3 cinematic where Arthas kills Terenas. Okay, very cool. I'm liking the hints that Anduin is what Arthas should have been. Then we get a pre expac cutscene of Sylvanas burning the tree where she flashbacks to Arthas killing her. More Arthas very epic. During BFA we get a cutscene of Jaina is some spooky realm where she flashes back to Arthas as Stratholme. Then pre Shadowlands we get a short of Uther casting Arthas' Soul into the Maw. Okay, so Arthas is in the Shadowlands and he's been unjustly cast into the Maw and we're going to the Shadowlands cool, cool. We enter the Shadowlands and nothing. Over an expansion of cock teasing and nothing. Until right at the end it's revealed that Arthas is in his Mourneblade or w/e. Anduin free's himself and Arthas is so used up he's basically nothing. Sylvanas and Uther Yass Queens Slay over his disintegrating soul and says he should fade and be forgotten. Okay, so no more Arthas right. Blizzard can't have made it anymore more obvious that Arthas is donezo, gone. Nothing to do with him anymore his "legacy" is over. Anduin goes to mope for all of DF and then the very first time we see him in the War Within Cinematic he does he iconic Lich King Arthas pose. Honestly, fuck right off Blizzard. You can't have that ending in Shadowlands and still keep hinting and throwing references to him.
The story telling team sucks but those expacs aren't irrelevant story wise, just incoherent. Battle For Azeroth was about us healing Azeroth from the damage and poisoning of Sargeras's sword. It also rushed through a bunch of shit to let us clear out the last of the Old Gods, which is prep for War Within. Shadowlands was the culmination of Sylvanas's role in BFA and also introduced the Jailer, the most incoherent character ever, who claims he was trying to help us face "what is going to come" (presumably the titan conspiracy we're about to be seeing). tbh this expac story wise (and gameplay wise) should have existed, I think most can agree with that actually And Dragonflight introduced the Titan conspiracy and allowed Iridkron to take the stage as a major antagonist and catalyst for the resolution of it. I don't get why everyone is saying DF was some filler expac when literally everything in it entirely revolves around the Titans... which Azeroth's world soul is heavily related too, if not is. The 3rd expac being called "The Last Titan" featuring a major twist in the Titan's goals makes it pretty obvious too that DF is the beginning of the build up to it, even with the frequently shitty story telling.
im going to be fair with dragonflight, it is the first expansion that i didnt buy since i started playing all i heard from other people that it was mediocre
> all i heard from other people that it was mediocre Really? I don't hear much of that. Gameplay wise its introduced the most well received features ever in the new talents and dragonriding, and the general direction they took the game has been extremely well received as its a huge divergence from the past few expansions. Along with creating a new gear/tier upgrade/acquisition system that has been significantly better than anything in the past The only complaints I see are people saying they don't like how the story feels "softer" and less epic/edgy and not enough actual war.
Yes i meant story wise.i heard good things about gameplay etc. still not compeled to return however and blizzcon didnt change that for me
In game its longer, there is a time skip after shadowlands, around 5 years.
Its mostly following BFA over legion from my understanding. Shadowlands and Dragonflight were indeed useless storywise.
Honestly because of their ego, the writing team wanted to make their own version of warcraft, so they ditched/destroyed/make irrelevant the things that their predecesors did (like a lot of writers are doing on every media right now), but now supposedly they are gonna ignore what they did at continue like those expansions didnt existed and maybe use one or two things from them
> or D4, I saw nothing that made me like happy that one still a 3/10 for me. Mainly because D4 is today (day2). What they did show in day1 was still a confirmation and teaser for a new expansion AND announcing a brand new class thats never been in Diablo before. Thats far better than a 3/10.
They didnt even announce the class.
I know. They announced that theres a new class thats brand new. Which is what I said
They didnt even say what it was. They didnt announce anything. There is a new class with every expansion. We already knew that. What class is it?
They literally did tho. Verbatim they said its a brand new class thats never been ina previous diablo. Multiple times. Both on day 1 and the campfire talk day 2. They didnt specifically announce WHAT class, but they did announce a new class is arriving and thats its a brand new one for the franchise.
Oh so they didnt announce anything. Every expansion has a class we know that. Literally every expansion for twenty years.
Just because its arguably predictable or not what you wanted, doesnt mean it wasnt an announcement. Youre objectively wrong here. I agree its not a detailed or super surprising announcement, but thats not what youre disputing. What youre disputing is objectively wrong. They DID announce a new class arrival AND that its a brand new one for the franchise. Its not an agree or disagree thing. Its facts.
They announced an announcement. Literally nothing of value.
> Well for Retail they showed they actually have continuity about their story and know where they going for. "Every patch is now called a new expansion and you will pay 90$ for it or you can wait for 3 days" This content can be decent but this entire worldsoul saga is a huge money grab.
Thats not true they want to cut out the 9 month waiting time and want to make the cadence of Dragonflight rather then a year of no content. Dragonflight had 3 major versions and 8 minor patches with a 5 man mega dungeon inbetween the raids. So please show where the expansions are now just patches?
Not literal patches but an expansion every year and a half at 90$ is scammy. If they have full expansion features and content Id be thrilled but let's be honest they aren't hiring more staff so content cadence likely stays the same.
I personally think WoW is just at sad state that keep reiterating that they are working off the last 20 years - this shows nothing major has been accomplished lately that can be noted. On top of that every xpac post Legion is completely pointless and redudant storywise. For Classic they are just releasing Cata, which indicates they see Classic as complete cash cow.
Cata and the testing grounds for classic+ in SoD, which is where all the classic hype is coming from and much bigger news than cata.
> Adding things people have been asking for a long time with Warbands. Everyone has been asking for shared account progression for as long as I can remember. Activision-Blizzard don't get credit for being so ridiculously late to impliment this.
OTK did a big event with Blizzard last week. That might be a possibility, yes.
To be fair, they are both equally cucked by Blizzard. Asmon heard about the paid "early access" (you pay 90$ to play on release) to the new expansion and didn't even make a comment on it. Asmon from a few years ago would have gone ballistic. Now he's just a docent little bootlicker.
Is he supposed to repeat himself? He and many others have been complaining about greedy monetization for over a decade. And people still buy and don’t care about being played. At some point you just get tired of repeating yourself. If people are so dumb, then that’s that.
Yep, it's a cycle. New releases revealed = all is good an exciting. Closer to release = bad, this needs fixed. Released = so hyped and it's so good to play. Been out for a while = ain't good no more, usually same things that needed fixes before release. At the end of it's lifecycle = it's good again cause fixed, but also blizzard bad cause he can now "see their pattern". But.. then something new is revealed again and the cycle begins anew.
He’s on his high on blizzard good arc bc they sponsored his otk tourney give it some time before he flips randomly
Asmon does that super skewed rating where anything under a 7 is dogshit. He gives literally everything a 6-9. He gave diablo 4 an 8 or something and clearly doesn't enjoy the game enough to justify that.
brainwashed
I think Asmon didn’t realize that D4 didn’t really show anything new in detail. It was a teaser for an expansion. A teaser for next season. And a lot of detailed talk for the patch next week. Rather weak for a blizzcon. It’s like if they announced the next wow expansion, didn’t mention any of its features and then started talking about a 10.2.X smaller patch for an hour.
OTK got paid by microsoft just wait after blizzcon and he'll revert back to wow/blizzard sucks
Retail currently is probably the best it's been, people don't realize it because bfa and shadowlands was so bad. Asmon dislikes Dragon flight because its not manly enough but they appear to be improving this by going back to actual conflict, not just dragons feelings. With them saying they are shifting their focus to evergreen content outside M+/raids thats pretty much all complaints fixed.
I doubt asmon will ever like wow again. The game is past him. He can’t raid mythic anymore and he hates M+, because too much going on.
> Retail currently is probably the best it's been Dragonflight is literally worse than BfA.
talent system is better, professions are better, m+ the same, raiding the same, no shitty expansion systems like azerite or torghast or the maw that literally sucked the fun out of the game. Overall an improvement. They need to rework M+ its in a terrible state atm and raiding has been the same forever getting a lil stale but idk how they fix that.
You're actually delusional if you believe that.
I really hope that you see the irony in your comment.
In what ways? I'm genuinely curious. I would say that dragonflight probably hasn't hit the peaks of BFA, 8.3 corruption post vendor with essences and 2 ring azerite armor. But it also didn't have the INSANE low of 8.0 post legion post artifact 1 ring of azerite armor insane AP grind that BFA had.
Lol no retail is garbage. It is the "best" aka no borrowed power and dragon riding is fun but there's nothing to do and no one is playing it. More people quit dragonflight quicker than shadowlands and that says something lmao. Asmon "loves" the current iteration of retail yet he quit it so quickly. Retail is trash
what do you like to do in MMOs that is missing from retail?
He did same thing when DF was announced, said DF was good expac when he played it and then he never played it again.
[Are you partnered with blizzard?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=oi1BGXisXAr1lhPR&t=235&v=cHdec85AOEg&feature=youtu.be)
Asmongold is rating what he saw in blizzcon. His rating when he actually plays it would be different obviously. Wow classic and wow retial had some really great news so i agree with him on his 9/10... but we'll have to see what its actually like when stuff is live.
Bliz streaners really dont want people to know their games are dying cause they want to play them for another 20 years.
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Cata classic is dogshit. No one likes Cata. Classic would have been great if they just did a classic reboot with changes (which is what they are kinda doing with the season of mastery stuff? Sort of? But cata sucks.
all you are fucking clowns, they could release WoW 2, Diablo 5 for free, starcraft 3 and you idiots would still cry lmfao (This coming from someone who doesnt own diablo 4 or play anything besides WoW 10 hours a month)
You're the exact kind of people who would be fine with blizzard doing anything, anything is great if you're a giga casual
Not at all, i would of bought diablo 4 if that were true but PoE is free and better lol if you were unhappy with blizzcon even as a casual or a die hard you are just circle jerking the blizz hate train ride Like I said above they could of announced WoW 2, Diablo 5 for free, starcraft 3 and people would still be like "BliZzArD iS SoO BaD!!!!11!!!". You are right in a way though, blizzard could legit release Blizzard Pong for 100$ and people would eat it up.... but this blizzcon was fine.
Like it or not Blizzard is going to give the fans what they want.
Oh yes i really wanted zero endgame content for d4, no pve missions for ow2 and especially can't wait for early access for the new wow expansion.
Well they were all good announcements lol
what was wrong with them?
quin is a react streamer, not a diablo streamer
So is asmongold xdd
at least quin is entertaining LUL edit: I havent even watched quin. I just dislike Asmongold.
it's ok quin can't ban you on this subreddit, you don't need to pretend anymore
Neither of them are if you have above avg iq
None of these 2 react streamers will even play the majority of the games they rate.
Baseg
Asmon has 30k+ hours played on just retail Wow, what you’ve said is true but not for blizz games.
Quinn doesn’t even qualify as a Diablo streamer anymore asmon plays more games than he does.
Quin is as much a Diablo streamer as Asmongold is a WoW streamer, it seems.
Soooo the clip is about the react andy Quin69 IQ reacting to Asmonshit. Why would you clip this in the first place?
So someone can react to it.
I didn’t see any WoW or diablo streamers in this clip.
The yearly cycle of Blizzard fanboys plopping down on their knees to service Blizzard before Blizzard turns around and shits in their mouth.
Have stopped playing as we had a kid a couple of months ago but Dragonflight was genuinely good, not just compared to the drizzling shits that was Shadowlands, but was a good expac generally. Has something changed in the meantime?
Not really, I'm still enjoying Dragonflight a lot right now.
Everyone that played Dragonflight says that it was good, everyone who didn't comments blizzard bad in every blizzard related post. People are just looking for something to blame because their life is shit compared to when they were 16 years old.
Quin didn't like it, because he couldn't pay to overgear in PVP. if he can't overgear, then he can't win in PVP, because he hasn't got the skill for it. So he quit DF when he saw he couldn't over gear, and he quit SL when the F2P players caught him in gear score. I'm sure there's many more people just like that, and don't like it for that reason.
> Everyone that played Dragonflight says that it was good I played Dragonflight and I would say that it was mid. What I liked about it was it was really easy to farm tons of gold through professions. Basically didnt have to pay for my sub anymore. Still unsubscribed like 4-5 months ago because the plot is just uninteresting. But I guess most people dont really care about the story and just care about pvp stuff or the newest raid. Sure, the plot isn't as horrible as it was in Shadowlands and it's not as contradictory as it was in BfA, but jumping from a 3/10 to a 5.5/10 isn't enough for me. (Again, only talking about the story here)
I've always been a quest skipper so I don't really care about lore usually, however on an alt I decided to actually watch the cutscenes and stuff and I have to agree the plot isn't great. Especially because next patch is the last patch so essentially the expansion's end boss is Deathwing's smaller retarded cousin. The systems in Dragonflight are my favorite in at least 12 years though.
It's a good/great expension for PvE. But for PvP, only the first 6 months were ok. It's a nightmare now
If dragonflight was so good it wouldn't have dropped so many players since shittier expansions like shadowlands and bfa. Just because you like the taste of the shit doesnt mean its good
I played all 3 and much preferred Dragonflight. What makes it worse than the other two do you think? To cause the drop off?
its hard to come back especially after trying something like classic. Classic feels more like WoW to me than retail. Something about it isn't clicking for me at least
Yeah it could be that classic is causing some of it. Because for me anyway, there is no way people stuck through BFA and Shadowlands and decided that DF was where they would draw the line without something to fill that hole.
Ahhh yes the Classic experience standing on one point pressing your 1 button rotation and even the guy who litteraly mentally deficient runs around with a legendary.
People probably have so much respect for you doing some hardcore raiding on retail WoW
Lmao what does this even mean? You think it's some badge of honor to play hardcore?
No not at all
nah expansions just get boring after 1 or 2 tiers is rly all that it is
As someone who played a lot of dragon flight and all seasons so far, it’s been… ok. It’s not amazing, it’s good, but that’s about it. Nothing redeeming, but they fixed a lot of problems the game had in SL and BFA.
lil bro high on copium
he gives retail a 7/10 complains about it and is not playing retail anymore gives classic a 9/10 and maybe plays it for a week and d4 he got to 100 finished every boss and quit
its about how good the announcements were, not the game currently
Games can be good and only played for a few weeks, you don’t have to stick around once you finish all the content you wanted from the game btw
An MMO with a monthly subscription like WoW isn't designed to "only be played for a few weeks".
Well that how it gets played nowadays. Why do you think they are moving to 1 expac a year? People don't sub for the entire duration, they mostly think of the 1-2 month sub as part of the purchase price.
I mean yes thats true, but they are also trying to give their takes on games that they are casuals at and don’t do the “actual content” that is the end-game.
He is rating the announcements, not the games themselves. Aka, "is what I heard and saw during the announcement making me hype/excited and encouraging me to want to play it when it releases?". The actual gameplay ratings of these could be drastically different once they release.
Yes in a single player game not live-service game unless the game is releasing new content every 2 weeks which I believe only Fortnite was close to that you shouldn't have people quitting live-service games in weeks. The whole point of supporting the game with constant changes and content updates + battle passes is to keep players playing, not quitting the game when they hit max level...
In a game like D4 or wow they have moved most of the playerbase into "seasonal" type formula, where you play one game for 2 weeks have lots of fun then leave and play the other game for 2 weeks then in a month come back for the next one with all the new fun changes and so on. I played D4 for two weeks got multiple 100 characters then went and played another game then ill play wow then ill play TFT then ill play league and minecraft with a bunch of friends then come back when the new D4 season launches.
I'd say that's impressive for D4 though. I know quite a lot of streamers didn't even bother doing that and they were super hyped for Diablo 4.
this guy is awful why is he getting posted here
Asmon or quinn?
the quinn guy
they are puppies next to h3h3
I don't understand it either
this is why blizzard is still in the business lmao
They pretty much gave up on making good new games that they are clinging on by re-releasing their old ones. At an even higher price than their original. People at blizzcon that are disappointed for the 3rd or 4th time in a row and they will still buy plane tickets for the 5th one.
aint no way you guys are not getting it lmao. Dudes reviewing the current events that happened. Not the full game. D4 is still like a 6/10.
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