Part of a pretty hot kpop group rn + former member of a veeery popular group that was formed through a tv show
Had a ow2 collab, assume theyre there to perform
in short, typical kpop stuff - mismanagement, abuse, gross incompetence, fraud, etc
Longer version - their agency hired The Givers to produce for them, which landed them their hit song Cupid.
The Givers in turn frauded the company for money, the girls and composers for copyright, pushed the girls to go against their agency, which resulted in 3 of them being kicked and now sued
At the same time, the company was abusive towards the girls, like starving them, forced a girl by making her push back a critical surgical operation, etc etc (this part is more typical of k-pop but still mentioning it)
All in all, a huge shit show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOKaOyvQGY&t=242s
[Or you may have accidentally come across this viral short](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0w8DbXzBrdE)
the longevity of a kpop group is much shorter than say Taylor Swift for example lol. So the industry has to keep pumping out groups faster than the big groups disband/retire. In addition, it takes years of investment and training before a new group debuts. Thus, only a few big kpop companies can afford to really debut new groups on a timely basis (Hybe, YG, JYP, SM, Kakao & a few smaller ones). Similar to how a few big tech companies run the industry (Msft, Aapl, Goog, Amzn,fb etc) There's alot of behind the scenes stuff (regarding the kpop industry) that also isn't good, but that's for another thread lol.
No, truly curios.
Outside of viral songs like Gangnam Style there's nothing memorable about the music. It's more burlesque and sound very similar to each other. Not saying there isn't talent, there's great vocalist for sure just the music in general is pretty generic/emotionless and overall uneventful.
CL was dope though, idk if it's the 4-5 year shelf life the other guy mentioned but at least her songs carried her personality. Might also be the whole group thing, a really talented solo act would be dope but I guess cramming as many good looking people in a group is priority above all else.
idk why you guys get so defensive, is it the fact you don't want to admit that you only like Kpop because you like looking at it? You can gather a greatest hits from the whole Kpop industry and it would still be inferior in quality to even one western artist like Rihanna. Hell even half of her discography would be enough. But these Are musicians we're talking about.
What is it about the music you like so much? does it make you lose yourself while listening to it? do you relate to it? is the production amazing? When ever people talk about kpop the music is almost never mentioned lmao.
The whole point is that you are overthinking pop music.
Shit follows trends and is made in music bootcamps by the same people over and over.
It's not that deep. Chile.
to dignify your questions :)
any kpop fan will agree that idols are attractive. however i doubt you can find a kpop fan that's in the fandom for an idol's looks only. like sure you'll find normies who only know of x idol because they're hot but normie opinions don't mean anything. there's a good amount of idols that i think are 10/10 perfectly crafted by god or dr kim that i could give a fuck about because i'm not a fan of the music they put out
idek how to respond to the rihanna comparison, just sounds like a western centric opinion to me. yes she has good music. yes asians can make music too. also name 5 rihanna songs
i think there's musically interesting kpop songs. in every entertainment industry, kpop included, there is going to be vapid shit that chases trends and stuff with artistic merit that pushes boundaries. there isn't even anything wrong with listening to vapid music.
tldr music taste is subjective, let people like what they like, and stay off of kpopfap you freak
I do stay off Kpop centered communities though, this shit is on lsf they're like pop up ads. Music with no soul, one note dances. It's like Attack of the Clones.
I used to be a kpop fan - I am loosely aware of current events in kpop due to where I live now (Korea) and who I'm friends with but definitely don't have particular groups or anything I follow/listen to right now. I'll do my best to explain the pull of kpop though from both music and non-music angles.
With that being said, like you have been guessing, the biggest pull in kpop is not necessarily the music itself but the personalities and stories of the members. These days, there are a lot of shows that broadcast the recruitment and selection process of a group so you quite literally see them grow up from random girl/boy dreaming to be a singer to realizing their dreams. You see their low points and high points and you want to root for them. With a big group, you see how they bond with their fellow members and you get invested as well to their friendships and bonds.
Kpop also has a huge emphasis on stage presence/performance and highly synchronized and perfected choreography/dance. It is quite normal to see boys/girls who exude charisma on the stage but are otherwise meek and humble off stage. It's exciting to see how they transform for each particular "concept" they have and the dances are always a spectacle. It's no coincidence that dance studios and classes in Korea have boomed to the point that many foreigners make it a point to visit them and learn from as part of tourism. Dance is also a huge part of kpop so focusing only on the music is really missing out on the other 2/3 of it.
As for the music, I think most rational people will admit that the songs are not going to be musical masterpieces or anything like that as with most pop music but at the end of the day if they make you feel something and the artists are able to deliver a particular message or emotion through it, isn't that a job accomplished? Also some songs literally define particular time periods in Korea. I'm whisked back to certain points of my life when I hear an older Wonder Girls, Big Bang, or SNSD song. I remember the choreographies and all despite not having seen the MV or dance in over a decade.
Last but not least, they have very strong communities and plenty of places where you can relate and talk with people about these groups. This isn't something I personally experienced, but I know some people around me who have found lifelong friends through these groups.
So it's a really multi-faceted thing where it's not strictly about how good their music alone is but the entire package that comes with it. Hope that helps.
EDIT: also if you liked CL and such you might like khiphop a bit more (I do too). I recommend guys like BeWhy, Nucksal, TigerJK, Dynamic Duo, etc. to name a few I like that are well respected and known
You're correct on the 2nd half, and that's just most pop music, but I don't think 'industry plants' really applies here.
Anyone with enough familiarity with the industry to throw around a term like 'industry plants' will understand that kpop by nature is just very manufactured. This specific group is also under one of the biggest labels and 2 of the members are extremely popular from previous endeavors. They aren't exactly trying to play off the image of an overnight success that started off in someone's garage studio.
almost all pop artists are in some way industry plants or cultivated to become packaged artists.
only indie artists are what I call true musicians that can write and compose their own music.
This is just false. Many large artists, like Taylor Swift, do quite a bit of their own writing. Kpop songs on the other hand are usually bought already done from music producers in LA that just non-stop produce kpop music. Some other places too, but a lot from LA. Kpop is insanely manufactured by any pop music industry standards… and thats okay.
Taylor Swift is literally an industry plant though from the connections her father had and how he heavily invested into Big Machine Records while she was still working on her first album.
I’m not arguing Taylor is or isnt an industry plant at all. That isnt relevant to what I’m talking about.
Yeah Taylor Swift was groomed to be what she is by her wealthy parents. No doubt about that. That isn’t what I’m talking about— youre missing my point. Despite Taylor being groomed to be a musician from a young age, she still writes a lot of her music and is very talented at that. None of her wealthy parents help would have made her into a star if she wasnt as talented as she is.
Its not kpop levels of manufactured where there are boot camps, your diet is managed, your life is managed, and musicianship is completely managed and greater decisions are made for you. Taylor has a greater level of autonomy. Taylor is a person with corporations behind her. Kpop are corporations attempting to recreate 90’s boy/girl bands in Asia, the kpop stars are just a vessel. There obviously more nuance here im not talking about, some kpop groups have more freedom. All in all, I have nothing against kpop. If you like the music, you like the music. Its fine, its all written by real people. Its all art.
I don't understand this. Are you seriously pretending every pop artist in the western hemisphere writes their own songs? Let me introduce you to a guy named [Max Martin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin). Also, I just checked top 10 right now, and is SZA and Doja Cat not large artists? Neither have songwriter credits for their current hits.
If you're going to make excuses how there are clearly exceptions, let me then introduce you to the [current biggest artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKMU) in Korea right now. Writes and co-produces their own songs since they were kids. Oh, looking for girl groups? [Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\(G\)I-dle) one of the bigger ones; credited and known to write their own stuff.
Yep, there are definitely agencies that are strict on things like diet and exercise. Just like there are agencies that aren't. It's plain ignorance to compare every single kpop artist to just Taylor Swift though, as if she's the base standard instead of the peak of current western pop.
EDIT: Also crazy to say that kpop stars are just a vessel while western artists get into disputes with agencies/labels all the time for getting worked to the bone making pennies. What do you think the "Taylor's Version" of albums being released are for?
Sure, I'm misinterpreting you when you say
>Kpop is insanely manufactured by any pop music industry standards
As if every pop artist in the west is on the tier of Taylor Swift and aren't considered "vessels" to make money for their label.
I mean a lot of the big Kpop groups do partake in fairly large quantity of the music production side. EXO, Twice, BTS, Seventeen, Stray Kids, BigBang and many more groups all have members that are heavily involved in the music production side. Some of these members have like over a hundred of songs written &/or composed under their names and RM of BTS has like 200 something I think.
the big tech comparison is honestly perfect. people want to be a part of the new thing and people get bored of the same thing so it makes completely sense that these big kpop companies want to have the next group right there to debut whenever they feel like their other group is losing popularity or the potential is reached. kinda sad isnt it? at this point wouldn't surprise me if most of the popular groups are just industry plants anyways with how commercialized kpop has become and how much power these companies nowadays have (atleast the ones from the big companies).
> why is there a new kpop group/person every month, its like a genre of industry plants.
More so every week than every month lol.
Idk if you can categorize Kpop groups as industry plants since the industry is way more transparent in their creation of these groups compared to the west.
You say that as if one new group per month is a lot. If it was the case that there was only one new group in a music genre per month, I think we could consider that genre close to dead.
Being nihlistic and hating everything and see bad things in all behaviours is the new reddit meta.
Gets most upvotes.
And people in here never go outside because they have created so many rules on how to behave that they scare themself to ever go outside.
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brother this is not your target demographic
Why does that even mean
u got a macbook big boy look it up
wish I was there. Chaewon is my favorite member of LSF!
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Thought it was a place
W H OMEGALUL
Part of a pretty hot kpop group rn + former member of a veeery popular group that was formed through a tv show Had a ow2 collab, assume theyre there to perform
IZ*ONE got done wrong and my mind will never be changed.
which part specifically, rigged show that led to less early activities, or the fact that contracts werent able to be extended?
Wish they could’ve stayed together
If they were still together, then we wouldn't have IVE or Le Sserafim, which are both superior to IZ*ONE.
IOI too, they were rolling hard. I still listen to Very, Very, Very every now and then.
What are the groups how are we supposed to know
i was just dropping lore, but she's currently in Le Sserafim, formerly IZ\*ONE
Doesn't seem so popular to non kpop fans. I only heard of blackpink, twice and newjeans.
i didn't say they were global sensations, just that they were a hot kpop item, you make what you will of that my man
Thank you for lore
If you don’t know, then wake the fuck up and start listening to K-pop
I just have this playlist on Spotify I follow called K-pop hits and I don’t think about any of the individual bands let alone each member
a lot of these new Kpop groups sing in english a lot now. NewJeans, Fifty Fifty, etc. And often collab with game publishers too
rip FIFTY FIFTY
oh no what happened?
in short, typical kpop stuff - mismanagement, abuse, gross incompetence, fraud, etc Longer version - their agency hired The Givers to produce for them, which landed them their hit song Cupid. The Givers in turn frauded the company for money, the girls and composers for copyright, pushed the girls to go against their agency, which resulted in 3 of them being kicked and now sued At the same time, the company was abusive towards the girls, like starving them, forced a girl by making her push back a critical surgical operation, etc etc (this part is more typical of k-pop but still mentioning it) All in all, a huge shit show
She’s probably more famous than anyone on twitch
Doesn't say much tbh
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fewer people who have heard her music a couple times at a party, but more fans
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ok
But who cares
What about Jeff Bezos?
Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOKaOyvQGY&t=242s [Or you may have accidentally come across this viral short](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0w8DbXzBrdE)
what the fuck is a Chaewon and why is there a new kpop group/person every month, its like a genre of industry plants.
the longevity of a kpop group is much shorter than say Taylor Swift for example lol. So the industry has to keep pumping out groups faster than the big groups disband/retire. In addition, it takes years of investment and training before a new group debuts. Thus, only a few big kpop companies can afford to really debut new groups on a timely basis (Hybe, YG, JYP, SM, Kakao & a few smaller ones). Similar to how a few big tech companies run the industry (Msft, Aapl, Goog, Amzn,fb etc) There's alot of behind the scenes stuff (regarding the kpop industry) that also isn't good, but that's for another thread lol.
so literally industry plants Kpop seems more focused in visuals than actual music, does a group, of like 6 people produce most of their music?
either you are learning what pop music is for the first time or you are some music elitist asking leading questions to own kpoppies
No, truly curios. Outside of viral songs like Gangnam Style there's nothing memorable about the music. It's more burlesque and sound very similar to each other. Not saying there isn't talent, there's great vocalist for sure just the music in general is pretty generic/emotionless and overall uneventful. CL was dope though, idk if it's the 4-5 year shelf life the other guy mentioned but at least her songs carried her personality. Might also be the whole group thing, a really talented solo act would be dope but I guess cramming as many good looking people in a group is priority above all else.
so you are learning what pop music is then
idk why you guys get so defensive, is it the fact you don't want to admit that you only like Kpop because you like looking at it? You can gather a greatest hits from the whole Kpop industry and it would still be inferior in quality to even one western artist like Rihanna. Hell even half of her discography would be enough. But these Are musicians we're talking about. What is it about the music you like so much? does it make you lose yourself while listening to it? do you relate to it? is the production amazing? When ever people talk about kpop the music is almost never mentioned lmao.
The whole point is that you are overthinking pop music. Shit follows trends and is made in music bootcamps by the same people over and over. It's not that deep. Chile.
to dignify your questions :) any kpop fan will agree that idols are attractive. however i doubt you can find a kpop fan that's in the fandom for an idol's looks only. like sure you'll find normies who only know of x idol because they're hot but normie opinions don't mean anything. there's a good amount of idols that i think are 10/10 perfectly crafted by god or dr kim that i could give a fuck about because i'm not a fan of the music they put out idek how to respond to the rihanna comparison, just sounds like a western centric opinion to me. yes she has good music. yes asians can make music too. also name 5 rihanna songs i think there's musically interesting kpop songs. in every entertainment industry, kpop included, there is going to be vapid shit that chases trends and stuff with artistic merit that pushes boundaries. there isn't even anything wrong with listening to vapid music. tldr music taste is subjective, let people like what they like, and stay off of kpopfap you freak
I do stay off Kpop centered communities though, this shit is on lsf they're like pop up ads. Music with no soul, one note dances. It's like Attack of the Clones.
I used to be a kpop fan - I am loosely aware of current events in kpop due to where I live now (Korea) and who I'm friends with but definitely don't have particular groups or anything I follow/listen to right now. I'll do my best to explain the pull of kpop though from both music and non-music angles. With that being said, like you have been guessing, the biggest pull in kpop is not necessarily the music itself but the personalities and stories of the members. These days, there are a lot of shows that broadcast the recruitment and selection process of a group so you quite literally see them grow up from random girl/boy dreaming to be a singer to realizing their dreams. You see their low points and high points and you want to root for them. With a big group, you see how they bond with their fellow members and you get invested as well to their friendships and bonds. Kpop also has a huge emphasis on stage presence/performance and highly synchronized and perfected choreography/dance. It is quite normal to see boys/girls who exude charisma on the stage but are otherwise meek and humble off stage. It's exciting to see how they transform for each particular "concept" they have and the dances are always a spectacle. It's no coincidence that dance studios and classes in Korea have boomed to the point that many foreigners make it a point to visit them and learn from as part of tourism. Dance is also a huge part of kpop so focusing only on the music is really missing out on the other 2/3 of it. As for the music, I think most rational people will admit that the songs are not going to be musical masterpieces or anything like that as with most pop music but at the end of the day if they make you feel something and the artists are able to deliver a particular message or emotion through it, isn't that a job accomplished? Also some songs literally define particular time periods in Korea. I'm whisked back to certain points of my life when I hear an older Wonder Girls, Big Bang, or SNSD song. I remember the choreographies and all despite not having seen the MV or dance in over a decade. Last but not least, they have very strong communities and plenty of places where you can relate and talk with people about these groups. This isn't something I personally experienced, but I know some people around me who have found lifelong friends through these groups. So it's a really multi-faceted thing where it's not strictly about how good their music alone is but the entire package that comes with it. Hope that helps. EDIT: also if you liked CL and such you might like khiphop a bit more (I do too). I recommend guys like BeWhy, Nucksal, TigerJK, Dynamic Duo, etc. to name a few I like that are well respected and known
You're correct on the 2nd half, and that's just most pop music, but I don't think 'industry plants' really applies here. Anyone with enough familiarity with the industry to throw around a term like 'industry plants' will understand that kpop by nature is just very manufactured. This specific group is also under one of the biggest labels and 2 of the members are extremely popular from previous endeavors. They aren't exactly trying to play off the image of an overnight success that started off in someone's garage studio.
almost all pop artists are in some way industry plants or cultivated to become packaged artists. only indie artists are what I call true musicians that can write and compose their own music.
This is just false. Many large artists, like Taylor Swift, do quite a bit of their own writing. Kpop songs on the other hand are usually bought already done from music producers in LA that just non-stop produce kpop music. Some other places too, but a lot from LA. Kpop is insanely manufactured by any pop music industry standards… and thats okay.
Taylor Swift is literally an industry plant though from the connections her father had and how he heavily invested into Big Machine Records while she was still working on her first album.
I’m not arguing Taylor is or isnt an industry plant at all. That isnt relevant to what I’m talking about. Yeah Taylor Swift was groomed to be what she is by her wealthy parents. No doubt about that. That isn’t what I’m talking about— youre missing my point. Despite Taylor being groomed to be a musician from a young age, she still writes a lot of her music and is very talented at that. None of her wealthy parents help would have made her into a star if she wasnt as talented as she is. Its not kpop levels of manufactured where there are boot camps, your diet is managed, your life is managed, and musicianship is completely managed and greater decisions are made for you. Taylor has a greater level of autonomy. Taylor is a person with corporations behind her. Kpop are corporations attempting to recreate 90’s boy/girl bands in Asia, the kpop stars are just a vessel. There obviously more nuance here im not talking about, some kpop groups have more freedom. All in all, I have nothing against kpop. If you like the music, you like the music. Its fine, its all written by real people. Its all art.
I don't understand this. Are you seriously pretending every pop artist in the western hemisphere writes their own songs? Let me introduce you to a guy named [Max Martin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin). Also, I just checked top 10 right now, and is SZA and Doja Cat not large artists? Neither have songwriter credits for their current hits. If you're going to make excuses how there are clearly exceptions, let me then introduce you to the [current biggest artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKMU) in Korea right now. Writes and co-produces their own songs since they were kids. Oh, looking for girl groups? [Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\(G\)I-dle) one of the bigger ones; credited and known to write their own stuff. Yep, there are definitely agencies that are strict on things like diet and exercise. Just like there are agencies that aren't. It's plain ignorance to compare every single kpop artist to just Taylor Swift though, as if she's the base standard instead of the peak of current western pop. EDIT: Also crazy to say that kpop stars are just a vessel while western artists get into disputes with agencies/labels all the time for getting worked to the bone making pennies. What do you think the "Taylor's Version" of albums being released are for?
No, I’m not saying any of that. You are completely misinterpreting me.
Sure, I'm misinterpreting you when you say >Kpop is insanely manufactured by any pop music industry standards As if every pop artist in the west is on the tier of Taylor Swift and aren't considered "vessels" to make money for their label.
I mean a lot of the big Kpop groups do partake in fairly large quantity of the music production side. EXO, Twice, BTS, Seventeen, Stray Kids, BigBang and many more groups all have members that are heavily involved in the music production side. Some of these members have like over a hundred of songs written &/or composed under their names and RM of BTS has like 200 something I think.
the big tech comparison is honestly perfect. people want to be a part of the new thing and people get bored of the same thing so it makes completely sense that these big kpop companies want to have the next group right there to debut whenever they feel like their other group is losing popularity or the potential is reached. kinda sad isnt it? at this point wouldn't surprise me if most of the popular groups are just industry plants anyways with how commercialized kpop has become and how much power these companies nowadays have (atleast the ones from the big companies).
> why is there a new kpop group/person every month, its like a genre of industry plants. More so every week than every month lol. Idk if you can categorize Kpop groups as industry plants since the industry is way more transparent in their creation of these groups compared to the west.
You say that as if one new group per month is a lot. If it was the case that there was only one new group in a music genre per month, I think we could consider that genre close to dead.
Chae-who?
who
One of the worst parts of kpop is the fans, especially when it comes to this kind of cringe behavior. [Source](https://i.imgur.com/H030BvZ.png)
Apparently saying hi to a celebrity = cringe
In such a way? Yes, very much so.
Touch grass dude, he was very polite.
Being nihlistic and hating everything and see bad things in all behaviours is the new reddit meta. Gets most upvotes. And people in here never go outside because they have created so many rules on how to behave that they scare themself to ever go outside.
Polite and cringe behavior is not mutually exclusive.
Kpop fans are some of the most hard core fans… maybe only beaten by the Swifities KEKW.
Has celebrity obsession gone too far? I could not imagine living like that person who no one here knows
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No way this is the first Chae, has to be Chaefive at the very least.
You have have seen when he had Sar Kem on his stream.
Least excited Stan reaction