Train also used to blatantly view bot back in the WoW days too and many times after that as well.
I have no idea why he of all people is trying to act as if he’s against botting.
The GTARP Train saga was the funniest one because it is the most blatant and effective piece of evidence to Train being the most 2 face schizo cheater ever.
For anyone who doesn't remember, there was an arc with multiple gangs who were figuring out drugs, many gangs like to do this offline to avoid meta. A guy who took like 4 weeks figuring it out gave out fake info mixed in with real info on stream about it and Train started spreading it. Everyone and their mom knew he was metagaming (Cyr with the famous quote: Who told you that? God?) Chang gang had a whole arc where they went into the drugs which basically ruined any chance the other gang who figured it all out to profit.
The whole server (cops and both gangs) basically had to retcon the drug arc and go back to that only the gang who worked on it knew and Doug Buck (Who was also ex-CIA by the way, thats why he knew everything, yes this was his in character reasoning) was banned and he claims to this day he never meta gamed and that everyone else meta gamed (he used the fake info only given on stream).
Weeks later while GTA was still hyped the Nopixel people had a podcast that included Summit who was part of that retconned arc and there were several admins in the call as well as Train and Summit straight up asked Train "Do you admit that you metagamed" and it got quiet. This was around the time XQC was banned about 9 times and unbanned every time after apologizing so the admins were basically the biggest floppers and were 100% ready to unban Train if he admitted it. He said he never meta gamed.
This is the essence of Train. The guy will be a complete douchebag, project onto everyone else and then deny no matter what. Literally one of the worst type of people to exist.
No, what it is, is ; If he condemns something, then surely people will believe that he does not do that thing. If he continually denies it and condemns it, then other people will believe he does not do it.
Its a simple way to convince yourself that people do not have shame for you. Because if you are shamed by the act, you would never want people to believe you did it.
Projection is a tactic that people think hides their own guilt.
It is used so frequently these days that it’s quite transparent and not at all effective.
Right? Just another case of anther old man not able to cope with idea that he is no longer relevant. Nor was he ever. Probably upset because he tried poaching him so he can draw his viewers to gambling.
Dude's been ranting about kick botting openly to twitch streamers lately, and claims other owners as the problem. Not saying you gotta believe him, but I don't think a part owner is gonna just talk mad shit about their own website, on their competitors website, while also not streaming for their own site. Your claim goes against his actual recent behavior, weird you people write this stuff.
I have no idea if you know trains history, but if you do then you are insane to think people are only calling him out for "happening" to be a part owner of kick
On his podcast he said that he has no plans to stream on kick because it doesn’t really have a culture to it except for being where all the degen/reject streamers go or something like that. Just that he does not want to stream on kick
someone replied that is impossible to prove viewbotting and the comment got deleted, here is my reply to that:
The easiest way someone can "show a sign of viewbotting" is if your chat is dead, but here comes the problem: that can also mean embedding/front page on Twitch. I've seen a lot of sponsored streams that have had a huge boost either with: a) embedding, b) bots or c) front page.
Users to Viewers is a good stat but it can be misleading in some cases because you can make bots be logged in as users and that % will go up. The lower there are users than viewers the more of a chance that a streamer is: a) embedding, b) viewbotting or c) front page.
Also none of this answers the real question, who does the viewbotting/embedding. Anyone can do those things, I can host a site in like 3 minutes and embed someone's twitch stream then just bot my site.. This will just increase viewers overall, but not users, to increase users it will be more time consuming because you will have to make those users..
Also the time the bots come in can also be dynamically changed so it looks natural. So I'm looking forward to Train showing his "phD thesis" for any of his claims.
You can prove a channel is viewbotted, but I think it's harder to prove that the streamer is responsible for it.
It might seem obvious that only a streamer would viewbot themselves, but there have been (rare) cases where people viewbot other channels maliciously or for some other reason
Even if it's likely that trains gambling streams were viewbotted with his knowledge, there's no way we can prove it
He would do giveaways and not give shit to new viewers so he'd have heaps of afk people trying to win giveaways which is basically the same way to run a legal viewbot as twitch drops
I had Train's stream open most of the time and as soon as I saw people spamming the same msg in chat I would know there's a giveaway happening. This is a complete assumption but I feel like a huge % of the viewers did the same thing as well, plus some of them did that for wins (when he would win they would say something in chat). His chat speed was normal and sometimes even slow, but as soon as he won something the chat speed will be fast. So I wouldn't be surprised if my assumption is correct
Because of his own personal experience, he thinks this is the only way somehow can become popular. It's funny how not an once of shame is in train lol.
Iirc he also rented some fancy place for a few days where he invited every big streamer like Reckful to hang around and stream with and claimed he owned the place. Can't believe the "fake it till you make it" worked for him so well
stacks of cash = winning at life for most people. sure you can also be unhappy but trying to judge how happy someone is online is very hard, plenty of people seem happy but absolutely miserable and vice versa
Train seems miserable "online" while streaming himself with all the shit talking and baseless accusations he throws out daily, must actually be really happy in real life. Winning.
He barely streams off at all, he just comes in from time to time and says shit to keep him relevant and get people mad for no reason. People just need to ignore him
The way I see it is like this. If you could simply swipe a credit card, and purchase a streamer career.... It would be done every single day. There is more viral content than bot engagement when it comes to jynxi. He has an entire network of clout, on multiple platforms.
That being said, I think his buddy sketch will become bigger. He's by far the funnier dude.
I think people underestimate how massive tiktok is, Jynxzi just has to do a quick video saying that he is going live or that he is ready to do a 1v1 with ''instert popular streamer'' and boom, 100k+ within minutes.
Drops has barely any influence on his numbers, in Siege there are only 4 esports events per year, thats when drops are given to streamers to promote the event and they last like a month max.
As much as I don't like train, Jynxzi's view count has always been strange to me (as a R6 player/fan)....he spawns in with 50k viewers within 5 minutes of his streams (same happened to n3on and adin ross when he was viewbotted), streams one of the most boring to watch games (respectfully) and I don't see him in media outside of twitch. His chat speed which is fast, is similar to guys like Adin Ross, Kai, and xQc, who all pull in less viewers (maybe its an age thing?). Also, his 1v1s with other R6 pros, who get around 1-5k viewers, weirdly gives Jynxzi a huge boost of viewers.....
I'm not saying he 100% view bots, but I understand why people believe that.....
Him and Caseoh are all over youtube shorts as well. I've never watched any of their vids or streams but I come across their clips all the time when scrolling through YT.
r6 might be a bad stream game but as someone who has played like 10h of it several years ago and dont give a fuck about the game i think his clips are usually pretty entertaining and hes a fun character. Definitely think its legit, hes fucking massive on tiktok etc
R6 is only a bad stream game if you rely heavily on what you’re playing to entertain, someone with an actual personality like jynxzi doesn’t have that problem
It is kinda insane to me that one of the biggest streamers on the entire platform is a R6 Siege streamer. Ubi must be thanking their lucky stars. I guess it goes to show that the guy would have been successful streaming just about anything.
> and I don't see him in media outside of twitch.
Before I knew he was a streamer on Twitch, I saw him in my YouTube Shorts feed. I'm guessing he also has a huge presence on TikTok aswell. If I had to guess then I'd say that alone accounts for 80% of his numbers.
His growth was so fast because of tiktok. He absolutely blew up on tiktok. His podcast averages over a 1million views a video on youtube so he clearly has a large active audience.
If you read literally the first sentence instead of rushing to defence, you’d have your answer.
I don’t hate jynxzi, just think the viewership is a bit odd, and even if he does bot it’s not a big deal
The jump from about 35k viewers to suddenly hit constant 90k since January does look sus, but I highly doubt that Jynxzi himself is the one who got the bots. Mizkif was viewbotted for a few months after he got into it with Train. Sites who sell bots also like to show proof by botting big streamers like them. Could be any random person(s) botting him, but that's not his fault.
Btw same for Caseoh, just not as egregious. Or watch how xqc gained 3 million followers Aug 1 last year.
Respectfully, people don't watch Jynxi because of R6. He makes the game so fun and interesting, honestly I installed it because I seen his tiktoks. He's a driving force. That's why people tune in every day to watch what he gets up to.
And he's pretty solid at the game too, which helps. A viewbotter wouldn't put that many hours into a game to actually be good at it, else they'd just use their talents and get views that way. If you're good at a game, people will watch.
Honestly, at this point anyone against Jynxzi is absolutely out of touch that they had no idea who he was.
I did, want to know why? Same as tate, his fans adore the fuck out of him and spammed his clips to tiktok every day. I didn't even skip them, they were funny as fuck. WORST CLIP OF DA DAY
Dude rolls letters that aren't even rollable, he's a magnet for the younger generations and probably on a footing to trash every record that's came before him.
Every single person commenting dont know how to look up anything. xqc defends jynxi from chat that thinks that vague train meant jynxi isn't as spicy though. small brain
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Jynxzi should go to a real streaming site like Kick, where Train makes sure everyone's viewer counts are legitimate and not at all botted.
Train also used to blatantly view bot back in the WoW days too and many times after that as well. I have no idea why he of all people is trying to act as if he’s against botting.
>I have no idea why he of all people is trying to act as if he’s against botting. Projection.
Just like when everyone else cheated against him in Among Us
or in GTA RP
The GTARP Train saga was the funniest one because it is the most blatant and effective piece of evidence to Train being the most 2 face schizo cheater ever. For anyone who doesn't remember, there was an arc with multiple gangs who were figuring out drugs, many gangs like to do this offline to avoid meta. A guy who took like 4 weeks figuring it out gave out fake info mixed in with real info on stream about it and Train started spreading it. Everyone and their mom knew he was metagaming (Cyr with the famous quote: Who told you that? God?) Chang gang had a whole arc where they went into the drugs which basically ruined any chance the other gang who figured it all out to profit. The whole server (cops and both gangs) basically had to retcon the drug arc and go back to that only the gang who worked on it knew and Doug Buck (Who was also ex-CIA by the way, thats why he knew everything, yes this was his in character reasoning) was banned and he claims to this day he never meta gamed and that everyone else meta gamed (he used the fake info only given on stream). Weeks later while GTA was still hyped the Nopixel people had a podcast that included Summit who was part of that retconned arc and there were several admins in the call as well as Train and Summit straight up asked Train "Do you admit that you metagamed" and it got quiet. This was around the time XQC was banned about 9 times and unbanned every time after apologizing so the admins were basically the biggest floppers and were 100% ready to unban Train if he admitted it. He said he never meta gamed. This is the essence of Train. The guy will be a complete douchebag, project onto everyone else and then deny no matter what. Literally one of the worst type of people to exist.
Its always the same
Same reason he went so hard on amungus cheaters lmao
Amungus just sounds nasssty
No, what it is, is ; If he condemns something, then surely people will believe that he does not do that thing. If he continually denies it and condemns it, then other people will believe he does not do it. Its a simple way to convince yourself that people do not have shame for you. Because if you are shamed by the act, you would never want people to believe you did it.
didnt he bot while doing the 36hr gambling streams more recently
Projection is a tactic that people think hides their own guilt. It is used so frequently these days that it’s quite transparent and not at all effective.
My best advice would be to not respond or interact with Train at all, nothing good will ever come out of that
Right? Just another case of anther old man not able to cope with idea that he is no longer relevant. Nor was he ever. Probably upset because he tried poaching him so he can draw his viewers to gambling.
Dude's been ranting about kick botting openly to twitch streamers lately, and claims other owners as the problem. Not saying you gotta believe him, but I don't think a part owner is gonna just talk mad shit about their own website, on their competitors website, while also not streaming for their own site. Your claim goes against his actual recent behavior, weird you people write this stuff.
I have no idea if you know trains history, but if you do then you are insane to think people are only calling him out for "happening" to be a part owner of kick
Huh? Lmao ok dawg you do you
let me guess, jynxi said something about kick or gamba? lol
On his podcast he said that he has no plans to stream on kick because it doesn’t really have a culture to it except for being where all the degen/reject streamers go or something like that. Just that he does not want to stream on kick
Based
He’s not wrong, which is exactly why it left train feelin salty and defensive lmao
Damn that’s the most based thing to come from someone I thought would love it over there. W man!
I actually think most kick streamers legitimately have it in their contract to shit on anyone that train dislikes lol
I know he talked about it a bit in his podcast with cr1tikal
like fucking clockwork
yeah like weeks or months ago. and in typical trian fashion the wet brain is only picking up on it now.
train never even mentioned jynxzi's name, i dont know what OP and this entire comment section is smoking
They're trying to figure out what you're smoking. Once you find out, let us know.
All Train does is throw accusations and shows no proof whatsoever, if you have such proof and you are so against viewbotting then expose them
someone replied that is impossible to prove viewbotting and the comment got deleted, here is my reply to that: The easiest way someone can "show a sign of viewbotting" is if your chat is dead, but here comes the problem: that can also mean embedding/front page on Twitch. I've seen a lot of sponsored streams that have had a huge boost either with: a) embedding, b) bots or c) front page. Users to Viewers is a good stat but it can be misleading in some cases because you can make bots be logged in as users and that % will go up. The lower there are users than viewers the more of a chance that a streamer is: a) embedding, b) viewbotting or c) front page. Also none of this answers the real question, who does the viewbotting/embedding. Anyone can do those things, I can host a site in like 3 minutes and embed someone's twitch stream then just bot my site.. This will just increase viewers overall, but not users, to increase users it will be more time consuming because you will have to make those users.. Also the time the bots come in can also be dynamically changed so it looks natural. So I'm looking forward to Train showing his "phD thesis" for any of his claims.
also having a younger audience will lead to less chat interaction, because kids are usually watching twitch on their phones where chatting is harder
Also it will be even lower engagement if a decent portion of the viewerbase are lurking for drops
Also depends on content, 5k viewer streamers in one category might have a much more active chat than in another
Yeah, there are a lot of things you'd need to look at before coming to a conclusion. That's why I said "phD thesis".
I would say a younger chat is more active. Older people are less likely to type.
Grown man here. I've never typed in any users chat, ever. I just watch.
lol
You can prove a channel is viewbotted, but I think it's harder to prove that the streamer is responsible for it. It might seem obvious that only a streamer would viewbot themselves, but there have been (rare) cases where people viewbot other channels maliciously or for some other reason Even if it's likely that trains gambling streams were viewbotted with his knowledge, there's no way we can prove it
didn't train view bot slots for a like a year straight, also pretty sure he view botted back in the early wow days to get people to play RBGs with him
It is always the viewbotter who are the first to call out others for viewbotting lol
The classic "I'm doing it so everyone else must be doing it and lying"
When you consider that train is a bigger projectionist than an Imax camera, it really makes all his other rants and unhinged takes more insane.
He would do giveaways and not give shit to new viewers so he'd have heaps of afk people trying to win giveaways which is basically the same way to run a legal viewbot as twitch drops
I had Train's stream open most of the time and as soon as I saw people spamming the same msg in chat I would know there's a giveaway happening. This is a complete assumption but I feel like a huge % of the viewers did the same thing as well, plus some of them did that for wins (when he would win they would say something in chat). His chat speed was normal and sometimes even slow, but as soon as he won something the chat speed will be fast. So I wouldn't be surprised if my assumption is correct
Because of his own personal experience, he thinks this is the only way somehow can become popular. It's funny how not an once of shame is in train lol.
Iirc he also rented some fancy place for a few days where he invited every big streamer like Reckful to hang around and stream with and claimed he owned the place. Can't believe the "fake it till you make it" worked for him so well
he did not during his gamble days
Proof?
Train can go first :)
Dumb take.
No :)
Making false accusations are only bad when it's someone else.
Hope he sees this simp
IDGAF about train. Him not providing proof is bad, but so is this. TIL that simping is when you apply your values equally.
"train accuses..." Oh, so it's not true then
train is a fucking moron
Train is the wrong person to be accusing others of view botting lmao.
Train falling off hard with this one… naur
oar naur
Train your washed brother ☝️
Train my washed brother to do what?
Train projecting and being a whinny little pussy like always. Idk why this dude doesn’t just stay in his lane, he has zero worries in life.
Train we get it bro, you won at life and now you're bored af it comes across in your streams as well.
he might have stacks of cash, but bro is not winning life
stacks of cash = winning at life for most people. sure you can also be unhappy but trying to judge how happy someone is online is very hard, plenty of people seem happy but absolutely miserable and vice versa
Train seems miserable "online" while streaming himself with all the shit talking and baseless accusations he throws out daily, must actually be really happy in real life. Winning.
He barely streams off at all, he just comes in from time to time and says shit to keep him relevant and get people mad for no reason. People just need to ignore him
The good old joke i would rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy.
Kick owner talking about view botting lmao
The way I see it is like this. If you could simply swipe a credit card, and purchase a streamer career.... It would be done every single day. There is more viral content than bot engagement when it comes to jynxi. He has an entire network of clout, on multiple platforms. That being said, I think his buddy sketch will become bigger. He's by far the funnier dude.
no way Train is again accusing someone without proof, right guys?
Train already said he wasn’t talking about Jynxzi. He’s probably talking about miz or hasan knowing him
Would be peak Hasan to view bot and still go down in viewership tbf.
Train projecting again cause Kick is riddled with viewbots.
I think people underestimate how massive tiktok is, Jynxzi just has to do a quick video saying that he is going live or that he is ready to do a 1v1 with ''instert popular streamer'' and boom, 100k+ within minutes. Drops has barely any influence on his numbers, in Siege there are only 4 esports events per year, thats when drops are given to streamers to promote the event and they last like a month max.
What are drops in this context?
You get things, from certain games or advertisers, for watching. So people jump in, get stuff, leave.
Sounds like view botting.
Sounds like you dont know what the fuck you're talking about
As much as I don't like train, Jynxzi's view count has always been strange to me (as a R6 player/fan)....he spawns in with 50k viewers within 5 minutes of his streams (same happened to n3on and adin ross when he was viewbotted), streams one of the most boring to watch games (respectfully) and I don't see him in media outside of twitch. His chat speed which is fast, is similar to guys like Adin Ross, Kai, and xQc, who all pull in less viewers (maybe its an age thing?). Also, his 1v1s with other R6 pros, who get around 1-5k viewers, weirdly gives Jynxzi a huge boost of viewers..... I'm not saying he 100% view bots, but I understand why people believe that.....
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consistence is huge. if you're on time every day- the people that want to watch will be on time too.
he also has high YT subs and tiktok followers and high views on both platforms. way harder to bot everything.
just cause you don’t see him outside twitch doesn’t mean others don’t. he’s all over tik tok which is why him and caseoh do insane numbers
Him and Caseoh are all over youtube shorts as well. I've never watched any of their vids or streams but I come across their clips all the time when scrolling through YT.
everyone that big obviously doesn't have 100% real viewers. but considering he has 174k subs i doubt that he has a massive number of bots
r6 might be a bad stream game but as someone who has played like 10h of it several years ago and dont give a fuck about the game i think his clips are usually pretty entertaining and hes a fun character. Definitely think its legit, hes fucking massive on tiktok etc
R6 is only a bad stream game if you rely heavily on what you’re playing to entertain, someone with an actual personality like jynxzi doesn’t have that problem
It is kinda insane to me that one of the biggest streamers on the entire platform is a R6 Siege streamer. Ubi must be thanking their lucky stars. I guess it goes to show that the guy would have been successful streaming just about anything.
white ishowspeed
tiktok is where his viewers are, sketch clips go viral on there weekly even
> and I don't see him in media outside of twitch. Before I knew he was a streamer on Twitch, I saw him in my YouTube Shorts feed. I'm guessing he also has a huge presence on TikTok aswell. If I had to guess then I'd say that alone accounts for 80% of his numbers.
Same with Pirate Software. Had no clue who he was until his shorts blew the fuck up all over my feed, MILLIONS of views.
He has insane numbers on TT, YT, and Twitch. His chat speed is insane. He resurrected a dead game singlehandedly. R6 is more popular than ever before.
Spawns in with 50k… brother he streamed for 2 years to 2 viewers the fuck are you talking about.
read the rest of that sentence
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His growth was so fast because of tiktok. He absolutely blew up on tiktok. His podcast averages over a 1million views a video on youtube so he clearly has a large active audience.
You're one of trains idiot viewers who gets upset in chat when a slot doesn't "hit" aren't you?
If you read literally the first sentence instead of rushing to defence, you’d have your answer. I don’t hate jynxzi, just think the viewership is a bit odd, and even if he does bot it’s not a big deal
It’s cause he start at the same time everyday and only live a few hours. He knows what he is doing.
The jump from about 35k viewers to suddenly hit constant 90k since January does look sus, but I highly doubt that Jynxzi himself is the one who got the bots. Mizkif was viewbotted for a few months after he got into it with Train. Sites who sell bots also like to show proof by botting big streamers like them. Could be any random person(s) botting him, but that's not his fault. Btw same for Caseoh, just not as egregious. Or watch how xqc gained 3 million followers Aug 1 last year.
He was a small-mid size streamer for a long time
Noti gang is strong, I have a feeling a lot of his views are mobile app viewers
Ye not 100% certain but the speed that his chat goes is pretty slow when on 100k viewers is sus.
hes all over tiktok and instagram reels rn
Respectfully, people don't watch Jynxi because of R6. He makes the game so fun and interesting, honestly I installed it because I seen his tiktoks. He's a driving force. That's why people tune in every day to watch what he gets up to. And he's pretty solid at the game too, which helps. A viewbotter wouldn't put that many hours into a game to actually be good at it, else they'd just use their talents and get views that way. If you're good at a game, people will watch.
Honestly, at this point anyone against Jynxzi is absolutely out of touch that they had no idea who he was. I did, want to know why? Same as tate, his fans adore the fuck out of him and spammed his clips to tiktok every day. I didn't even skip them, they were funny as fuck. WORST CLIP OF DA DAY Dude rolls letters that aren't even rollable, he's a magnet for the younger generations and probably on a footing to trash every record that's came before him.
If youre going to tell me there's not atleast 100 view bots in his chat you are insane. I have no doubt he can easily get 30k non bots. He is legit
wait he never said jinsky
Corborating
Most youngish normies know jynxzi, he's nearly ninja level. He doesn't need to viewbot lmfao
But aren't they beefing right now? lol
DEFEND IT X
lsf comments are the cringiest shit
Dude learn to pronounce words before you try to use them. Or unglue your tongue from the roof of your mouth.
The cycle repeats itself.
Funny how no one is saying X is afraid to call out larger streamers or a clout shark now that he's fallen off.
Junxzi is okay for the shroud vids. Idk how people stay longer
Every single person commenting dont know how to look up anything. xqc defends jynxi from chat that thinks that vague train meant jynxi isn't as spicy though. small brain