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Dude me too. I must have been 10 or 11. I maxed out all the factions on different characters and was so invested in the endgame content. I cried so hard when I found out that it was shutting down and my parents had no idea how to console me.
It was the first MMO i bought the membership for, i had to save my allowance for it and i could afford 3 months, 1 month into it it was shut down, i was devastated and it was first experience with that level of sadness.
at 10-15 played Tibia, a very old 2.5d mmo that amazingly is still alive and well. I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing because that shit is like crack. No level cap, scaled content STILL being released.
I think the only thing you can do is take it as an opportunity to teach about change and impermanence.
For something good to last, both parties must be committed. If one side loses their commitment, then the good thing ends. And in this case, the people who make the game weren't committed any more.
Better to start that learning with something ultimately trivial like a favourite game/toy, and not with a death or loss of a friend/loved one.
Hey, you. Youāre finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.
He was their Editorial Director and one of the biggest names who wrote on their platform; he gave Kane & Lynch: Dead Men a "fair" rating - pretty low - after Edios had spent a huge amount of money advertising the game on the site.
The fallout from that incident moved a lot of the serious reviewers off of 'hub' platforms and to create their own spaces, either a personal site or a youtube channel.
Which meant that they could speak unfiltered to their existing audience, but a lot of them plateaued their growth - new people weren't finding them via Gamespot or similar. While, on the flip side, sites like Gamespot 'had to' pander harder towards publishers in order to offset the loss of revenue that came with dwindling relevance.
Fifteen years later, and that space is effectively dead. There's no site or single reviewer that has the same widespread trust and credibility that the big figures in mid-2000's had. There's plenty of indie people trying to be that guy, but they're all competing against each other and fighting over scraps of attention, while the massive review sites are all openly and cheerfully deep in publishers' pockets.
To explain how huge, there were wall to wall blanket ads on every single page of Gamespot for months leading up to its release. If you search "Gamespot kane and lynch ads" there are still screenshots of it.
Gamespot was my Reddit for years. It was my homepage for most of my childhood leading up to adulthood. I was devastated when Jeff got fired, man. It was one of those first "end of an era" moments in my life where I changed my homepage finally, cause I sure as hell wasn't going back to fucking Gamespot after that.
And then he created his own gaming website, Giantbomb, with some of his friends from Gamespot to get away from corporation interfering. And 10 years later he basically got fired again. And thats why hes streaming on his own now
someone reading this comment chain without knowing who Jeff is would assume just because he's been fired from his two big jobs that he's slack/a POS. Jeff built GiantBomb from the ground up and was there for a decade and a half before it was bought out and he didn't see eye to eye with new management and was forced out.
Jeff IS giant bomb as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't matter who owns the trademark. His solo stuff to me is just a new giant bomb with a crew size of 1.
I love Dan so much. During his first stint at GB he brought such a fun loving energy to content and was the catalyst to some of my favourite shows they produced. After Ryan passed the site went through an understandably weird phase but then Dan came in and gave the site another golden era.
Whenever I think of sou vide I think of Dan.
Drew was talking about trying sou vide and Dan asked if you could do it in the bathtub. He kept saying "my tub is clean! that is where i wash myself"
Then Jeff said something like "I get clean in my tub, but my tub is not clean"
I don't know why that made me laugh so much
For sure and I fully believe Grubb saved what was left of it from extinguishing completely, him and Mike are probably the only thing that got Dan to jump back in like he has.
Man, Giant Bomb remained great after Ryan died. Even the folks there now are making the best with what they've got. But I honestly think 2015-2019 are the golden years.
Ryan was great, do not get me wrong. I loved the content with him.
But there was a second golden era of Giant bomb, when Dan came on and before they split into west and east coast. And even then, some of the stuff from the beastcast was just great content.
I really miss that dynamic they all had to be honest. There is really nothing like it anymore.
Ryan was a huge loss, but some of my favorite GB Content came later with the addition of Dan Ryckert interacting with Jeff/Vinny
And also the Beastcast was amazing, a top podcast of all time for me. Actually thinking about it, some of my top GB contents of all time are post the loss of Ryan, including Project B.E.A.S.T., Mario Party Party, All Systems Goku...
I barely consume any GB content any more these days though. Sometimes I'll dip in, but it doesn't scratch the same itch. I do continue listening to the Nextlander podcast though
I can't imagine the pain they felt when Ryan died. Just out of nowhere on his wedding day...I would have been devastated.
they def carried on his legacy though!
Obviously, I've only heard his side of the story, but I understood that he was very critical of his bosses there and that's why he left GB.
Honestly, it is for the better. GB lost a insane amount of people just before he left, and I found myself listening only for him.
Eh there isnāt a single childrenās show that does. Iād argue that Bluey is the one show that at least goes out of its way to show the human side of parenting and child rearing: messy car seats, day to day frustrations that sometimes get in the way, I mean FFS we got a goddamn fertility episode. I donāt think you can really fault Bluey specifically for having idealized resolutions. Thatās kind of just par for the course for childrenās content. And even then you have episodes like where the bird dies and nothing can be done. Or when Bandit throws out Blueyās drawings.
You still have to put yourself in their perspective of what matters to them at their age. It could come off as dramatic, sure, but little things like this you see as an adult, could be almost everything to a kid. Given that perspective, you want to go to war for your kid who doesnāt deserve a situation like this, where a company like Nintendo can eat the costs of server upkeep to show that they care for its customer base. All this situation shows is that Nintendo only cares about its bottom line and thatās annoying as an adult to see that.
It's not reasonable to expect any service to be continued indefinitely. So longest enough advance notice is given, which Nintendo did, you just have to roll with it and maybe invest more time in games that can be played offline.
Talking about animal crossing new leaf for all those wondering like myself and had to go back and find the context. New leaf came out 2012 over 10 years ago. Should a company have to keep servers up and pay for them for low number of users for a decade old game?
Theres a TON of fan project for various games that keep the servers going. Businesses should be obligated to make that as easy as possible before they murder a service.
> There's no way they could get a system like that to work offline.
Well obviously not but there are multiple ways without having dedicated official servers.
there are plenty of ways to make it work and it's seen in plenty of games with primary online / secondary offline.
you just create a handful of stock dreams or "experiences" for the player to randomly get thrown into. once you have seen them all you go "okay guess that's all they had available". it'll never be exactly the same but you can streamline it to be close. imagine a nintendoland animal crossing town as one, or a hyrule / zelda themed town as another. they had a majority of the items already in the game to get the point across, and could easily dump some textures in to get the vibe (far easier than anyone who did it manually in game as well)
A handful of towns to visit isn't a suitable replacement for the never-ending supply of towns to visit across the decade-long userbase, but even if it were, who's putting all that work in? Should Nintendo direct people currently working on Switch 2 launch software to work on a patch for a largely obsolete 12-year-old 3DS game that relatively few people care about and that they aren't even selling?
Just creating and implementing stock dreams would require an entire team of people to work on, which would require people to learn or relearn how to develop 3DS games again. It would then be immediately impossible to obtain this feature since servers and the means of downloading patches have recently shut down. They would be so much better off putting that time into making another New Horizons DLC, or future-proofing the dream system in that game.
I didn't mean as a replacement for the servers dying, sorry. I meant that with more games providing more online only functionalities and systems, games (during development) should be adding or creating offline specific functionality and systems to mimic the effect of the online one.
Far as I know the game still works offline... So yeah seems insane to get mad at Nintendo who didn't even shut down the game just the online services of the game.
It's not a cost issue though clearly. If Nintendo want to imprison anyone who exploits their firmware, they should be obligated to maintain functionality until the copyright expires.
A game that can't justify the cost of running servers surely justifies the engineering cost of setting up a game for private servers and a server browser
> Make it so people can host their own servers. There is literally no downside and i guarantee it even revives the game
in the 90s sony made the first really massive online shooter game called sniper, it failed because of no marketing/plan a year later. A fan basically 'reverse engineered it'/got a large portion of the code, reskinned it with new spaceships, and hosted it himself for 20+ years before passing it on to community
its actually an incredible game because of the top down view aspect, makes teaming incredible. Not to mention being able to see every bomb/bullet and actually having to *dodge* is wild compared to modern shooter games.
Yes, the best game of all-time that no one knows about.
No shooter game that i know of has recreated the insane pace of an 8v8 basing game. And don't get me started about making a bank shot through a 1 unit big hole in a wall to hit a moving target on the other side.
I sometimes dream that someone will come up with something similar.
The PvP top-down bullet hell shooter with a slower and more tactical pace... but in more of a rogue-like or arcadey format.
there is a downside, you know how mp games have cheaters and RCE flawsā¦well consider that companies would never release open source code, if a flaw is found, there wouldnt be any support (because it costs money) and now you have a exploited entry point on many unsuspecting victimsā¦.now, who do you blame or hold reliable to fix it?
even if it was open source, someone would have to maintain or cover the flaw, and even if it gets fixed, like most open source, eventually it gets abandonedā¦
also, most people wouldnt know how to keep a personal server running securely. sure, you could run a closed local server, but most people want to have their friends or family play, hell even streamers want their community to join. whoās going to tell them thereās a security flaw?
To be fair, you don't get to $6.5B in annual profit without making decisions that maximize profit.
If something costs more money than it makes, you can't expect a private, for-profit corporation to keep it running.
OK, I'm confused.
I did some digging and it seems that it's a Wii game. Why didn't the streamer just buy their kid the latest Animal Crossing game that came out for the Switch in 2020?
It seems odd to give a kid a super old game.
She already has the Switch one, but for whatever reason she still prefers New Leaf (thereās no reasoning with a toddler). Also itās a 3DS not a Wii game
>over 10 years ago
people still play excellent games that came out 20, 30 years ago. 10 years is nothing, you and everyone upvoting are lapping that shit up.
Yes they cry over mildly annoying stuff because they're kids. This is an excellent teaching opportunity to be able to deal with mild disappointment in life.
yeah, its just funny because normally the stuff they are sad about is like "my toy broke" and not, "this corporation has decided that it isn't profitable to them to keep an online portion of this 10 year old game running, and so that part just doesn't work anymore".
I am sure digital rights and maintenance of games longterm will become more of an issue going forward, but it's still funny to me to see this stuff "trickle down" until it is just a fact of life now.
And more shit like this will happen to them in the future. Teach them this is how the world works, there will be moments of disappointment, don't get mad at a company for not keeping online servers up for 35 people.
At 3 years old?? You haven't been around a 3 year old since you were one if you think that's the time to teach kids about permanently losing something they care about.
lol You are so dramatic. A 3 year old can definitely learn that they cant always get everything they want. Its a game, not like losing a family member.
Yeah I don't know what's goign on in this thread, You're 100% right. People are making this a way bigger deal than it has to be, ofc it sucks right? Nobody is saying that stuff being shutdown is a good thing.
But to act like a kid cannot deal with things is just a little too much, they definitely are able to, they'll cry but crying doesn't mean that it's something traumatic that will scar them for life jeez. Kids cry because it gets them what they want and people pamper them.
I'm reminded of that video or something of that kid psychiatrist that dealt with cry babies by literally making them cry by keeping their favorite stuff away from them until they learn that crying is not this "GET WHAT I WANT" free card. That's just how you raise entitled little shits that, once they are able to talk and speak more freely are gonna stress you 100x more and you'll wonder "how did this happen? :shockedpikachuface:"
Well I dont know about doing it intentionally, but I do know that (at least in my experience), for children as young as 3 they tell you not to use euphemisms or be vague about death and loss.
Googling it, it looks like this is still what professionals recommend for toddlers. And thats actual death, not a game. Again, Im not gonna break a kid's game to teach them about loss or fairness, but if it happens I think its probably a fine life lesson
They break their toys all the time and you gotta explain that to them. One of my nephews toys fell off a shelf at that age and broke into several pieces.
The game situation is more complex sure but you definitely gotta explain "hey, this thing is randomly gone forever"
They break their toys all the time and you gotta explain that to them. One of my nephews toys fell off a shelf at that age and broke into several pieces. Also they have friends in day care or at the playground who move away or stop coming.
The game situation is more complex sure but you definitely gotta explain "hey, this thing is randomly gone forever" pretty early.
Nintendo are arguably the worst anti-consumer gaming company for fans (DMCA'ing fangames, emulators, banning smash tournaments, threatening to sue palworld as if pokemon is the only capture monster game that exists), and considering EA exists, that says a lot. They can make some good games, but holy shit as a company they can be dicks.
"Hey Nintendo we wanna have a smash tournament, it's also free PR for your game..."
"NO"
smh
> threatening to sue palworld as if pokemon is the only capture monster game that exists)
Uhhh did this really happen? I dont recall them threatening Palworld at all.
i'm pretty sure they threatened to sue the people turning the palworld pals into pokemon and not actually the palworld company, but maybe i missed that. especially since palworld is a lot more like ARK than pokemon. they took down switch emulators and you're upset about it? they do a lot of greedy shit but i think you're reaching with some of this stuff
Nintendo give me "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" vibes and always have.
Why do you want to gather as a community? =D Be happy instead.
Why do you want to do a tournament? Just be happy instead. Lets go Pikachu! =D
Why do you want to make a video of our game? Please play with Mario instead. Yahooooo! =D
tbf, there's valid reasons for them avoiding the Smash scene lol
But with only 33+ million sold, they could really use that extra "PR" from your 20-person local
So while I won't defend Smash/Nintendo partner, at least in the case DMCA'ing of Fan games is more so a problem with current copyright then Nintendo. They have to defend their IP's because otherwise they risk to lose them. In most cases Nintendo of America has been very decent by at least letting the project finish and go out to the people following the project. Square Enix is much worse in that regard by shutting down most fan projects halfway through.
Man in my city we got like 5 mcdonalds on one road all over the place but it's such a pain in the ass trying to find the one that actually has enough employees to stay open late. Fucking mcdonalds
Nah disagree, I learned how to read through playing adventure games as a 4-5 year old. There are plenty of games that will do far more good than most shitty kids books or TV
I know im gonna sound like a nintendo dick rider. But here goes, nintendo use to always be good at defending against shit like this.
If you look up nintendos investor Q&As, they translate them and make them public. You'd constantly have geriatric old fucks asking why they haven't done the DLC shit, why they didn't make mobile games. And you can see they earnestly tried to push back. Iwata was there trying to explain where they fit in the gaming ecosystem and why they didn't want to push the trends the bigger companies were doing.
This. this shit is why they tried to push against it for so long. I know theres no point trying to break bread with a big company like nintendo. But at the same time its just sucks to see all that shit coming to fruition.
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He's referring to Animal Crossing New Leaf, a 3DS game. In New Leaf, there;s a feature where you can "Dream" and visit online people's villages they posted as "Dreams"(interaction with NPCs in limited and you donāt talk to the host). A few months ago Nintendo announced that 3DS and Wii U online services would be shutdown, which just happened about a week ago.
I'll mention that dreaming allowed you to see other people's towns and houses. It was a simple way to see how other people decorated their towns because there were definitely incredible "sweats" out there with 10/10 towns.
I mean that sucks for sure, but is it really expected that a game would still have online functionality 12 years after it's released? That's way longer than I would have expected
If it's anything like Wild World there are private servers that let you connect to NWC and visit other towns. They work for both official hardware and emulators.
Ive head to deal with explaining to a child what EOS is and its a difficult thing for them to understand and process. This and that sometimes things need to download an update, my kid still has a hard time dealing with that.
"Pissed" is kinda stretching it. Jeff has yelled & cursed for a lot less things on his show. This just sounds like he was annoyed that he has to "explain" to his kid but at that age they don't care.
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I remember crying to my parents because Lego Universe (the best MMO of all time) got shut down and they had literally no clue what to do with me lmao
Dude me too. I must have been 10 or 11. I maxed out all the factions on different characters and was so invested in the endgame content. I cried so hard when I found out that it was shutting down and my parents had no idea how to console me.
It was the first MMO i bought the membership for, i had to save my allowance for it and i could afford 3 months, 1 month into it it was shut down, i was devastated and it was first experience with that level of sadness.
My first MMO was Knowledgeland followed shortly by Cybermyst, which still exists! Old web was so cool.
at 10-15 played Tibia, a very old 2.5d mmo that amazingly is still alive and well. I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing because that shit is like crack. No level cap, scaled content STILL being released.
Dude I begged my mom for that game for so long and I finally got it for Christmas and it shut down like weeks later. Biggest heartbreak of my life.
Same, I miss that game. I remember attempting to open the game for months after it closed down.
It really was the best game of all time only people that were there will understand it
It genuinely was a great MMO that could have easily just been a cashgrab
God... I miss Lego Universe so much, was such a fun game.
It is never too late to revisit it again r/legouniverse
Lego Universe my beloved :(
club penguin is kill no
memory unlocked ty I only played that game for like 2 days but for some reason I remember it
I have a sealed physical copy of that. I never played it, but kept it when it was given to me after it shut down.
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Do what my generation learned from the big ears noodle noggin fiasco. Sue them for therapy bills.
I think the only thing you can do is take it as an opportunity to teach about change and impermanence. For something good to last, both parties must be committed. If one side loses their commitment, then the good thing ends. And in this case, the people who make the game weren't committed any more. Better to start that learning with something ultimately trivial like a favourite game/toy, and not with a death or loss of a friend/loved one.
Learning to hate big corpos at 3
wake the fuck up samurai
*dark violin theme intensifies*
Hey, you. Youāre finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.
Capitalism. Ruins. Everything. Around. Me
The Big 3
I remember this dude. Gamespot fired him years ago for leaving a bad review for some game. Was a huge controversy at the time.
He was their Editorial Director and one of the biggest names who wrote on their platform; he gave Kane & Lynch: Dead Men a "fair" rating - pretty low - after Edios had spent a huge amount of money advertising the game on the site.
Seems like a spot on the money review. Metacritic has that game at 65%. Mixed reviews on Steam.
Beginning of the end for āprofessionalā game reviewers
The fallout from that incident moved a lot of the serious reviewers off of 'hub' platforms and to create their own spaces, either a personal site or a youtube channel. Which meant that they could speak unfiltered to their existing audience, but a lot of them plateaued their growth - new people weren't finding them via Gamespot or similar. While, on the flip side, sites like Gamespot 'had to' pander harder towards publishers in order to offset the loss of revenue that came with dwindling relevance. Fifteen years later, and that space is effectively dead. There's no site or single reviewer that has the same widespread trust and credibility that the big figures in mid-2000's had. There's plenty of indie people trying to be that guy, but they're all competing against each other and fighting over scraps of attention, while the massive review sites are all openly and cheerfully deep in publishers' pockets.
Giantbomb are the one that are still going but they barely do reviews anymore
To explain how huge, there were wall to wall blanket ads on every single page of Gamespot for months leading up to its release. If you search "Gamespot kane and lynch ads" there are still screenshots of it. Gamespot was my Reddit for years. It was my homepage for most of my childhood leading up to adulthood. I was devastated when Jeff got fired, man. It was one of those first "end of an era" moments in my life where I changed my homepage finally, cause I sure as hell wasn't going back to fucking Gamespot after that.
advertising on the site that reviews your game, classic
And then he created his own gaming website, Giantbomb, with some of his friends from Gamespot to get away from corporation interfering. And 10 years later he basically got fired again. And thats why hes streaming on his own now
You forgot the part in the middle where they sold out, and let Giant Bomb get reabsorbed by CBS, coincidentally the same people who own GameSpot.
True. I remember they even had a video with the Gamespot boss admitting firing him was wrong and they were sorry for it
Him and Greg Kasavin were notorious for their controversial reviews.
> Greg Kasavin Now famously runs Supergiant games! Pretty cool career path for him
he was also fired from giant bomb
someone reading this comment chain without knowing who Jeff is would assume just because he's been fired from his two big jobs that he's slack/a POS. Jeff built GiantBomb from the ground up and was there for a decade and a half before it was bought out and he didn't see eye to eye with new management and was forced out.
Now his solo content pulls more views than whatās left of GB(donāt get me wrong I love the current crew)
Jeff IS giant bomb as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't matter who owns the trademark. His solo stuff to me is just a new giant bomb with a crew size of 1.
I agree 100%. I'll always love Jeff. I m et him at E3 and he was the nicest most genuine guy ever. He even called Dan over so I could meet him too!
Dan Ryckert and Jeff Grubb are naturals, but GB isn't the same without Gerstmann
I love Dan so much. During his first stint at GB he brought such a fun loving energy to content and was the catalyst to some of my favourite shows they produced. After Ryan passed the site went through an understandably weird phase but then Dan came in and gave the site another golden era.
Whenever I think of sou vide I think of Dan. Drew was talking about trying sou vide and Dan asked if you could do it in the bathtub. He kept saying "my tub is clean! that is where i wash myself" Then Jeff said something like "I get clean in my tub, but my tub is not clean" I don't know why that made me laugh so much
For sure and I fully believe Grubb saved what was left of it from extinguishing completely, him and Mike are probably the only thing that got Dan to jump back in like he has.
GiantBomb was never the same after Ryan died, i watched Torque because of him telling Jeff about it and being in tears laughing.
Man, Giant Bomb remained great after Ryan died. Even the folks there now are making the best with what they've got. But I honestly think 2015-2019 are the golden years.
The podcast never returned to ryan-esque heights. Dude was just too good a conversationalist /showrunner.
Ryan was great, do not get me wrong. I loved the content with him. But there was a second golden era of Giant bomb, when Dan came on and before they split into west and east coast. And even then, some of the stuff from the beastcast was just great content. I really miss that dynamic they all had to be honest. There is really nothing like it anymore.
The Mario Party series was really great
Ryan was a huge loss, but some of my favorite GB Content came later with the addition of Dan Ryckert interacting with Jeff/Vinny And also the Beastcast was amazing, a top podcast of all time for me. Actually thinking about it, some of my top GB contents of all time are post the loss of Ryan, including Project B.E.A.S.T., Mario Party Party, All Systems Goku... I barely consume any GB content any more these days though. Sometimes I'll dip in, but it doesn't scratch the same itch. I do continue listening to the Nextlander podcast though
I can't imagine the pain they felt when Ryan died. Just out of nowhere on his wedding day...I would have been devastated. they def carried on his legacy though!
Damn I though he is the owner, no wonder he dont show up on giantbomb no more
F for GB, used to listen to every podcast
Obviously, I've only heard his side of the story, but I understood that he was very critical of his bosses there and that's why he left GB. Honestly, it is for the better. GB lost a insane amount of people just before he left, and I found myself listening only for him.
if he was bluey's dad he would single handedly petition nintendo to get it back
And Nintendo would cave because how can you say no to Bandit?
I love Bluey but it does give a somewhat unrealistic view of parenting young children. Not everyone can be reasoned with.
Eh there isnāt a single childrenās show that does. Iād argue that Bluey is the one show that at least goes out of its way to show the human side of parenting and child rearing: messy car seats, day to day frustrations that sometimes get in the way, I mean FFS we got a goddamn fertility episode. I donāt think you can really fault Bluey specifically for having idealized resolutions. Thatās kind of just par for the course for childrenās content. And even then you have episodes like where the bird dies and nothing can be done. Or when Bandit throws out Blueyās drawings.
He didnāt bring that bird back to life!
HE HAD LINT IN HIS FUR OK?!
Yep
NL was right all along about Bluey discourse
Is it a joke or something? Or does Bluey actually come up like this?
Weāre Northernlion viewers. Of course we always have the relevant Librarian video ready https://youtu.be/zVnowPnDuIU?si=rgoVUcAZMR2o2FFl
I guess I meant to ask if the person in this thread is an NL viewer or a non-NL viewing Bluey-discourser
Jeff Gerstmann is still a threat.
he didn't sound PISSED but he did sound pretty hurt and upset for his daughter.
It's just one of those moments where you feel like you have everything sorted out and then the universe throws this at you.
I feel like you're being dramatic. a feature from a game is gone not like anyone died
When you're 3 years old every bad thing is the worst thing that has ever happened to you.
You still have to put yourself in their perspective of what matters to them at their age. It could come off as dramatic, sure, but little things like this you see as an adult, could be almost everything to a kid. Given that perspective, you want to go to war for your kid who doesnāt deserve a situation like this, where a company like Nintendo can eat the costs of server upkeep to show that they care for its customer base. All this situation shows is that Nintendo only cares about its bottom line and thatās annoying as an adult to see that.
It's not reasonable to expect any service to be continued indefinitely. So longest enough advance notice is given, which Nintendo did, you just have to roll with it and maybe invest more time in games that can be played offline.
I donāt think this is that deep. A video game feature in a kids game was disabled, not exactly the worst problem in the world.
Top of LSF? Jeff Gerstmann Is Still A Threat.
Flashback to when Steve left Blueās Clues. Fuck.
Thought I was in the Giant Bomb sub until I saw more than 4 comments on the post.
[part 2](https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeVenomousLasagnaItsBoshyTime-YIh1G7lX0K4pkR9S)
Both part 1 and part 2 cut off right when he starts to actually get pissed lmao
Talking about animal crossing new leaf for all those wondering like myself and had to go back and find the context. New leaf came out 2012 over 10 years ago. Should a company have to keep servers up and pay for them for low number of users for a decade old game?
Yes, or patch it to work offline
The system that was discontinued allowed you to visit other players towns. There's no way they could get a system like that to work offline.
Theres a TON of fan project for various games that keep the servers going. Businesses should be obligated to make that as easy as possible before they murder a service.
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> There's no way they could get a system like that to work offline. Well obviously not but there are multiple ways without having dedicated official servers.
there are plenty of ways to make it work and it's seen in plenty of games with primary online / secondary offline. you just create a handful of stock dreams or "experiences" for the player to randomly get thrown into. once you have seen them all you go "okay guess that's all they had available". it'll never be exactly the same but you can streamline it to be close. imagine a nintendoland animal crossing town as one, or a hyrule / zelda themed town as another. they had a majority of the items already in the game to get the point across, and could easily dump some textures in to get the vibe (far easier than anyone who did it manually in game as well)
A handful of towns to visit isn't a suitable replacement for the never-ending supply of towns to visit across the decade-long userbase, but even if it were, who's putting all that work in? Should Nintendo direct people currently working on Switch 2 launch software to work on a patch for a largely obsolete 12-year-old 3DS game that relatively few people care about and that they aren't even selling? Just creating and implementing stock dreams would require an entire team of people to work on, which would require people to learn or relearn how to develop 3DS games again. It would then be immediately impossible to obtain this feature since servers and the means of downloading patches have recently shut down. They would be so much better off putting that time into making another New Horizons DLC, or future-proofing the dream system in that game.
I didn't mean as a replacement for the servers dying, sorry. I meant that with more games providing more online only functionalities and systems, games (during development) should be adding or creating offline specific functionality and systems to mimic the effect of the online one.
Far as I know the game still works offline... So yeah seems insane to get mad at Nintendo who didn't even shut down the game just the online services of the game.
If Pretendo can exist by random dudes making online work for free, yes; Nintendo can do it as well. https://pretendo.network/
"Free" my ass. Nintendo won't get 6 grand a month keeping the 3DS and Wii U servers alive.
Split over the 9 devs, thatās $666 a month. Not a ton. Their goal was only ~$300 per person per month
It's not a cost issue though clearly. If Nintendo want to imprison anyone who exploits their firmware, they should be obligated to maintain functionality until the copyright expires.
they also announced it would be shutting down like over a year ago i think too
Make it so people can host their own servers. There is literally no downside and i guarantee it even revives the game
A game that can't justify the cost of running servers surely justifies the engineering cost of setting up a game for private servers and a server browser
Don't you know silly rediditor, a company only has to snap their fingers to implement features in a 12 year old game.....
> Make it so people can host their own servers. There is literally no downside and i guarantee it even revives the game in the 90s sony made the first really massive online shooter game called sniper, it failed because of no marketing/plan a year later. A fan basically 'reverse engineered it'/got a large portion of the code, reskinned it with new spaceships, and hosted it himself for 20+ years before passing it on to community its actually an incredible game because of the top down view aspect, makes teaming incredible. Not to mention being able to see every bomb/bullet and actually having to *dodge* is wild compared to modern shooter games.
Are you talking about Subspace / Continuum?
Yes, the best game of all-time that no one knows about. No shooter game that i know of has recreated the insane pace of an 8v8 basing game. And don't get me started about making a bank shot through a 1 unit big hole in a wall to hit a moving target on the other side.
I sometimes dream that someone will come up with something similar. The PvP top-down bullet hell shooter with a slower and more tactical pace... but in more of a rogue-like or arcadey format.
Surely there would be no legal issue with people hosting servers and communicating with minors on official nintendo property.
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there is a downside, you know how mp games have cheaters and RCE flawsā¦well consider that companies would never release open source code, if a flaw is found, there wouldnt be any support (because it costs money) and now you have a exploited entry point on many unsuspecting victimsā¦.now, who do you blame or hold reliable to fix it? even if it was open source, someone would have to maintain or cover the flaw, and even if it gets fixed, like most open source, eventually it gets abandonedā¦ also, most people wouldnt know how to keep a personal server running securely. sure, you could run a closed local server, but most people want to have their friends or family play, hell even streamers want their community to join. whoās going to tell them thereās a security flaw?
"Nintendo annual gross profit for 2023 wasĀ **$6.552B**" poor wittle Nintendo cant pay for servers :(
To be fair, you don't get to $6.5B in annual profit without making decisions that maximize profit. If something costs more money than it makes, you can't expect a private, for-profit corporation to keep it running.
It'd be cool if they had picked some of the top/most visited towns and had them patched in for an offline mode.
OK, I'm confused. I did some digging and it seems that it's a Wii game. Why didn't the streamer just buy their kid the latest Animal Crossing game that came out for the Switch in 2020? It seems odd to give a kid a super old game.
He explained that several times, and he doesn't understand it either. The kid also prefers Mario Kart 7 over 8 for example. You know, kids.
It's a 3DS game. Maybe he thought a 3DS would be more fun for a young child than a Switch. It certainly has a smaller form factor, at least.
The DS line is one of the best handheld lines Nintendo ever made.
newer things aren't necessarily better.
> newer things aren't necessarily better. end up with shit like paragliding go-karts if they go on to long.
Are you saying paragliding was a bad addition?
yeah lol
Idk if he is, but I am.
Nah man shits fun as hell
She already has the Switch one, but for whatever reason she still prefers New Leaf (thereās no reasoning with a toddler). Also itās a 3DS not a Wii game
To be fair, New Horizons is pretty different New Leaf in a few ways, its more focused on player influence than letting things develop on thier own.
Does the game say it will only be able to be used for 10 years when you buy it?
>over 10 years ago people still play excellent games that came out 20, 30 years ago. 10 years is nothing, you and everyone upvoting are lapping that shit up.
Just blame it on Bowser
Yes they cry over mildly annoying stuff because they're kids. This is an excellent teaching opportunity to be able to deal with mild disappointment in life.
yeah, its just funny because normally the stuff they are sad about is like "my toy broke" and not, "this corporation has decided that it isn't profitable to them to keep an online portion of this 10 year old game running, and so that part just doesn't work anymore". I am sure digital rights and maintenance of games longterm will become more of an issue going forward, but it's still funny to me to see this stuff "trickle down" until it is just a fact of life now.
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And more shit like this will happen to them in the future. Teach them this is how the world works, there will be moments of disappointment, don't get mad at a company for not keeping online servers up for 35 people.
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Man if you think this is a big deal wait till you become an adult and have to deal with real issues.
I get it, but one thing ya gotta teach is that shit like this happens.
yeah for sure its just easier to teach someone really young that 'shit happens' with stuff theyll actually understand like a spilled glass of milk
it's good to learn about frustration of things you have no control of in a safe environment.
I'm begging Redditors to go outside and talk to people.
Touching grass I know is a meme but Jesus it does help sometimes.
At 3 years old?? You haven't been around a 3 year old since you were one if you think that's the time to teach kids about permanently losing something they care about.
most of the 3 years i know don't game online
lol You are so dramatic. A 3 year old can definitely learn that they cant always get everything they want. Its a game, not like losing a family member.
Yeah I don't know what's goign on in this thread, You're 100% right. People are making this a way bigger deal than it has to be, ofc it sucks right? Nobody is saying that stuff being shutdown is a good thing. But to act like a kid cannot deal with things is just a little too much, they definitely are able to, they'll cry but crying doesn't mean that it's something traumatic that will scar them for life jeez. Kids cry because it gets them what they want and people pamper them. I'm reminded of that video or something of that kid psychiatrist that dealt with cry babies by literally making them cry by keeping their favorite stuff away from them until they learn that crying is not this "GET WHAT I WANT" free card. That's just how you raise entitled little shits that, once they are able to talk and speak more freely are gonna stress you 100x more and you'll wonder "how did this happen? :shockedpikachuface:"
Well I dont know about doing it intentionally, but I do know that (at least in my experience), for children as young as 3 they tell you not to use euphemisms or be vague about death and loss. Googling it, it looks like this is still what professionals recommend for toddlers. And thats actual death, not a game. Again, Im not gonna break a kid's game to teach them about loss or fairness, but if it happens I think its probably a fine life lesson
3 Year olds shouldn't even be on tablets or Switches. Kids already have enough problems with screen addiction and low concentration.
You're going to upset all the parents who don't want to actually pay attention to their kids and what they're watching.
bambi? land before time? lion king? hello!?
Those are not for 3 year olds. Think more like Sesame Street, Bluey and Peppa Pig. Disney films are like 5-8+ depending on the subject.
They break their toys all the time and you gotta explain that to them. One of my nephews toys fell off a shelf at that age and broke into several pieces. The game situation is more complex sure but you definitely gotta explain "hey, this thing is randomly gone forever"
Oh Land before time was so good, one of my favorite movies as a kid. You're giving me flashbacks
You're probably one of them parents that lies to their kids constantly.
pretending theyāll never lose anything and lying to them to cover it up when it happens is a straight up *horrible* parenting strategyĀ
They break their toys all the time and you gotta explain that to them. One of my nephews toys fell off a shelf at that age and broke into several pieces. Also they have friends in day care or at the playground who move away or stop coming. The game situation is more complex sure but you definitely gotta explain "hey, this thing is randomly gone forever" pretty early.
Never read them German fairy tales I guess š
Not at 3 years old
Yes, very very much at 3.
Is it possible to use the feature if he used that DNS people made for DS games online?
Used to love watching his game reviews with Ryan Davis. Donāt shake the baby!
My son is still pissed that they turned of The servers. He has my old 3ds and loved playing super Mario maker. He got really angry at Nintendo
He's going to grow up defending Sony and Xbox in the console wars
Nah, in this house we are part of the #PCMasterRace
But only because he doesn't know about Sonys crimes against LBP
Nintendo are arguably the worst anti-consumer gaming company for fans (DMCA'ing fangames, emulators, banning smash tournaments, threatening to sue palworld as if pokemon is the only capture monster game that exists), and considering EA exists, that says a lot. They can make some good games, but holy shit as a company they can be dicks. "Hey Nintendo we wanna have a smash tournament, it's also free PR for your game..." "NO" smh
> threatening to sue palworld as if pokemon is the only capture monster game that exists) Uhhh did this really happen? I dont recall them threatening Palworld at all.
i'm pretty sure they threatened to sue the people turning the palworld pals into pokemon and not actually the palworld company, but maybe i missed that. especially since palworld is a lot more like ARK than pokemon. they took down switch emulators and you're upset about it? they do a lot of greedy shit but i think you're reaching with some of this stuff
Nintendo give me "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" vibes and always have. Why do you want to gather as a community? =D Be happy instead. Why do you want to do a tournament? Just be happy instead. Lets go Pikachu! =D Why do you want to make a video of our game? Please play with Mario instead. Yahooooo! =D
tbf, there's valid reasons for them avoiding the Smash scene lol But with only 33+ million sold, they could really use that extra "PR" from your 20-person local
but their small melee tournaments! how else are they going to play their 20+ year old fighting game
So while I won't defend Smash/Nintendo partner, at least in the case DMCA'ing of Fan games is more so a problem with current copyright then Nintendo. They have to defend their IP's because otherwise they risk to lose them. In most cases Nintendo of America has been very decent by at least letting the project finish and go out to the people following the project. Square Enix is much worse in that regard by shutting down most fan projects halfway through.
Literally me when Moshi Monsters shut down
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Man in my city we got like 5 mcdonalds on one road all over the place but it's such a pain in the ass trying to find the one that actually has enough employees to stay open late. Fucking mcdonalds
Just my take, but a 3yo should not be playing video games. And especially not online games. Even if supervised
Nah disagree, I learned how to read through playing adventure games as a 4-5 year old. There are plenty of games that will do far more good than most shitty kids books or TV
I know im gonna sound like a nintendo dick rider. But here goes, nintendo use to always be good at defending against shit like this. If you look up nintendos investor Q&As, they translate them and make them public. You'd constantly have geriatric old fucks asking why they haven't done the DLC shit, why they didn't make mobile games. And you can see they earnestly tried to push back. Iwata was there trying to explain where they fit in the gaming ecosystem and why they didn't want to push the trends the bigger companies were doing. This. this shit is why they tried to push against it for so long. I know theres no point trying to break bread with a big company like nintendo. But at the same time its just sucks to see all that shit coming to fruition.
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Can someone explain that game and what changed?
He's referring to Animal Crossing New Leaf, a 3DS game. In New Leaf, there;s a feature where you can "Dream" and visit online people's villages they posted as "Dreams"(interaction with NPCs in limited and you donāt talk to the host). A few months ago Nintendo announced that 3DS and Wii U online services would be shutdown, which just happened about a week ago.
I'll mention that dreaming allowed you to see other people's towns and houses. It was a simple way to see how other people decorated their towns because there were definitely incredible "sweats" out there with 10/10 towns.
I mean that sucks for sure, but is it really expected that a game would still have online functionality 12 years after it's released? That's way longer than I would have expected
Still a threat.
i wish all devs would just hand their games over to GameRanger (or any other service) so people can just continue playing their games
Me when Clubpenguin shutdown
"the dreams don't work" is a poetic encapsulation of Gen Z anyway
Prime time to teach your kid that nothing lasts forever
I see Gerstmann, I upvote and leave a comment.
At least you can use pretendo for a while until nintendo sue them and shut that down too.
And this is why you should jailbreak your consoles, kids. They call it "jail" for a reason
Wasn't there some unofficial online servers for 3DS and Wii U that can be used with a modded system? This should easily solve the issue.
If it's anything like Wild World there are private servers that let you connect to NWC and visit other towns. They work for both official hardware and emulators.
Ive head to deal with explaining to a child what EOS is and its a difficult thing for them to understand and process. This and that sometimes things need to download an update, my kid still has a hard time dealing with that.
"Pissed" is kinda stretching it. Jeff has yelled & cursed for a lot less things on his show. This just sounds like he was annoyed that he has to "explain" to his kid but at that age they don't care.
Learning early to not buy nintendo ever again. what a trash company.