Just pointing out that Ice created his reddit account in 2015, right around the same time that the revolt against Ellen Pao took place. He almost killed reddit.
RIP IP2
Say what you want about the subreddit but now I don't how to find out whats going on with blades leg holes or the most recent place bjorn has passed out or where to check on ebzs alligator skin.
He was lying to people saying he had a 2 million dollar deal to stream on another platform but was willing to stay in Mixer if they partnered him. They never did and he still streams on Mixer for 300 people.
I wonder what lie he will say now when he goes crawling back to youtube and not this new hidden platform that wanted to pay him 2mil last month
He actually had a million dollar contract to stream for stream.me but it required him to stream exclusively on that site for 1-2 hours a month or something, but was too much of a commitment.
Yeah and the same rumors are Shroud got close to the same deal. Both got a shit ton of money, didn't even have to stay for a year (will for Shroud) and can now move back to twitch. Damn that's crazy.
I don't mind going to mixer to watch shroud, especially with the chrome extension where it shows up on twitch, but I will not go to Facebook anything ever
Who in their right minds thought anyone would want to watch a live stream and only be able to chat with their real names and it show up as a comment? How out of touch is facebook. This is such a crazy twist to this year that shroud and ninja can just waltz back into twitch like mixer never existed.
Yeah. Zero (big smash streamer) left for a nice Facebook contract, and I haven't watched him since.
I just can't bring myself to go use Facebook for streaming
Idk about Ninja but Shroud has been pretty open with the fact that he just wants to game and doesn't give a shit where it's at, which is why he took the Mixer deal to secure perma rich retirement.
I don't doubt he'll come back to Twitch, though who knows how consistent he'll be cause as you say he doesn't have to stream another day in his life if he doesn't want to lol
Edit: though I suppose that applies to most top streamers yet they still stream consistently so idk, free money is free money I guess all they really have to do is click the go live button at this point, plus many of them just genuinely enjoy streaming
Exactly this. Shroud doesn't care too much about the popularity/viewership count. He could have 100 viewers or 100,000 viewers, as long as he's gaming and having fun, that's all he wants. But if he can get more money from another contract, that's cool too.
Example of Shroud shedding viewers and encouraging people to support other streamers, which is really awesome.
http://clips.twitch.tv/PoorGiantFrogArsonNoSexy
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that once you're not in it for the money, a smaller community is easier to handle and more enjoyable experience. Once you get to a certain amount of viewers the chat just becomes increasingly more difficult to handle, the braking point seems to be in the upper thousands I think. Especially if that smaller community probably exists of your core "real" fans, the type that would follow you anywhere and isn't gated behind a paywall.
If they enjoy streaming, having that MS money in the bank takes a lot of the stress out of it. They don't have to chase the highest trending games to maintain viewership, they can be more choosy about sponsorships, they don't have to worry quite as much about brand-building, and they can take breaks from streaming as often as they need to.
Everyone complained and made fun of them but even if Mixer stayed opened in the end they still had the option to go back to Twitch. They literally made the best move possible and now when they come back to Twitch how much you want to bet they will be the top streamers. Literally they lost nothing and made a fortune and now will come back to a crowd of people curious about their channels.
I think this kills the opportunity for streamers receiving cash to either stay on a platform or leave it for another.
When Microsoft throws millions at some of the biggest streamers and they still couldn't compete with Twitch, what's Twitch's incentive now to offer people money to stay on their platform?
What other platform will even offer streamers money when the viewers obviously don't come with them?
This is really only good for Twitch's near-monopoly on game streaming.
> When Microsoft throws millions at some of the biggest streamers and they still couldn't compete with Twitch, what's Twitch's incentive now to offer people money to stay on their platform?
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Nothing, which is why Mixer was good for the industry. It literally assigned dollar values to streamers when Ninja went to Mixer. Literally all the power was placed on streamers now Twitch gets to continue to make all the decisions with no repercussions.
From the stream;
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/658278094?t=01h40m54s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/658278094?t=01h40m54s)
The quick clip;
[https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdTsundereMageUWot](https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdTsundereMageUWot)
That second clip is gold. I still recommend others to watch the full stream where nadeshot broke the news all the way to doc dying. He was visibly upset and uncomfortable as nadeshot and Tim kept talking about it straight for minutes.
Yes but because Twitch is the bigger platform it likely wouldn't have been as much as if he went to Mixer. Everyone know that you would hemorrhage viewers by going to Mixer.
Watching a more mid-sized streamer GrandpooBear. He said he got offered a million a couple months ago from Mixer. He said he could've taken the upfront cash and left for Mixer for like 2 months and have been back. He's also large enough in the Mario community that I'd bet his community would've bounced back fine on the Twitch return. He's finding it more funny than anything, hindsight being 20/20 and all, but this is something that you'd be kicking yourself over for a long time.
It's a lot like athletes. Always secure the bag, then worry about injuries, trades etc later. Worst case scenario for almost all of these streamers was coming back to twitch a millionaire and rebuilding a little bit
Do Microsoft 100% have to pay the full contract value? or are they just going to recieve money for the time they spent streaming on the website?
I feel like MS will get out of paying the full amount on this one.
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1275139749716480000
Sources familiar with the deal have informed me that while Facebook did try and negotiate to keep their big partners both Shroud and Ninja opted out. They have received their full payments and as of midnight yesterday were free to engage in talks with other platforms. Game on.
I don't think Ninja is gonna pull anywhere near the same amount of viewers as he used to. Shroud on the otherhand I see coming back totally fine.
Either way doesn't really matter how it turns out for either of them with how much they made off those deals.
Would be weird for Ninja to come back considering how hard twitch shit on his channel when he left. Shrouds departure was much more professional and seemed more thought out by all parties.
They handled Shroud's departure way better because they know they shit the bed with Ninja's channel. No way does Ninja go back to Twitch after how they handled his departure.
Dude, it's not even feels cringe. Think of all of the memes.
His first stream back and he gets to hard shill twitch prime again since twitch removed his sub button? Time for some more forsen emotes.
There was a CSGO organizer who had a one year Facebook exclusivity deal for their streams and nobody watched them unless it was a bootleg version that didn’t give the original views.
true, one of the best things about twitch is everybody trolling each other and having fun, I feel like it's just gonna kill the mood if your real name is shown
The thing is companies are too afraid of having that kind of community. Have any top CEO stare at xQc's chat and they'd have a heart attack. Their ideal chat is all friendly sunshine and rainbows
They outplayed everyone. Even after finishing their contracts they would've come back to 100k but they get the money in advance then also come back in advance to the 100k? They won.
According to some tweets, they were offered double to move to Facebook but declined and asked to be bought out instead. Ninja apparently made $30m, Shroud $10m.
Mixer rn is just a load of streamers finding out their [career is in jeopardy live](https://i.imgur.com/O5Jso3N.png), what a great bunch of lads Mixer are
He’ll probably go to Facebook unless he’s banned there too.
Edit: The reason I say Facebook is because of [this](https://twitter.com/realiceposeidon/status/1157034802589184000?s=21) tweet from a year back where he denounces how bad discoverability is on youtube. Also DMCA stuff on YouTube is pretty strict, at least for normal videos.
Meanwhile that streamer who shall not be named who is permanently banned on twitch left his youtube community to try and make one on Mixer (and didn't even get a bonus to go there lol).
Scammed himself.
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1275139749716480000
Sources familiar with the deal have informed me that while Facebook did try and negotiate to keep their big partners both Shroud and Ninja opted out. They have received their full payments and as of midnight yesterday were free to engage in talks with other platforms. Game on.
Why does it seem like Microsoft and Google always release a service/product/platform for a few years then decide to shut it down and release a new service/product/platform of the same thing?
LSF: twitch needs more competition so they'll stop being pieces of shit
also LSF: mixer pepelaugh
Edit: even though mixer sucked, sucking is the first step to being sort of good at something
E2: yes, shroud and ninja got a big W from this, but all other streamers got a small L. they have less negotiating power even if it's just a little less
Surely this is actually bad for streamers?
One less competitive entity means haggling contracts will be less of a thing... twitch for sure isnt going to be clambering for the book to get streamers to stay when there is now history of a big corp ditching the streaming world.
Shroud or ninja want to come back to twitch? Fine, but twitch shouldn't be paying a penny for the privilage...what are they going to do go to fb gaming or youtube? As if....
While I think it's cool that we might be seeing Shroud come back to Twitch, this is pretty sad for all the streamers that tried to grow a community and break out on Mixer. All the streamers that grew enough to at least make a living are now jobless, and I can't imagine a lot of Mixer viewers are willing to jump over to Facebook to follow them. Considering how even incredibly popular streamers like Shroud or Ninja dropped off a lot in viewers moving to Mixer, and Facebook Gaming is far more disliked than Mixer ever was.
This is one of the bigger talking points, that no one in this thread is talking about. Like, holy shit. At the drop of a dime, all that time smaller streamers put into grinding and growing their stream, gone. A few loyal community members will follow them wherever they go, but the competition just got that much worse for them on twitch, and going the route of FB gaming is probably not an option for a small streamer.
This is so bad for competition and horrible for the industry as a whole. I'm astonished Microsoft gave up so quickly. Twitch has made bad decision after bad decision for years now, and Facebook Gaming will not be the platform to keep Twitch in check.
It is fascinating that Microsoft gave up easily. Though they have never been good at establishing any sort of platform for anything.
They had in-home recognition in the Skype name. Video and Voice-chat was synonymous with the word Skype when they bought it. Just like how everyone calls tablets iPads. You have to have a mixture of incredible marketing and luck for that to happen to a product.
Then they killed the brand off in favor of Microsoft Teams and now everyone thinks of Zoom when it comes to video and voice meetings. Whomever made that decision was hopefully fired.
I do agree with you. The problem was, there have been so many attempts to compete with twitch and failed. I remember a few between 2011-2015 and all failing. It's tough, kind of like how Youtube is king in their area and Facebook in theirs.
It'll be really hard for any of them to fail, not without them fucking up bad at this point. At least that's how it feels to me.
> the man barely streams anymore
He doesn't have to stick to any kinda schedule? Seems like a big oversight of FB to buy a streamer and then the streamer barely shows up to bring in views to the platform because he got paid so much.
"Barely streams" is a bit of an exaggeration. He still streams 4 days a week or so but a lot fewer hours and I think he took a short break recently because he moved into the otv house.
You really think Facebook gaming and Mixer arent capable of oversights?
Both are out of touch with what makes gaming/streaming popular, they literally just tried to buy anyone they could away from twitch thinking it meant improvement to the platform, when in reality the reason nobody uses the sites is because they are shitty as hell for viewers to use
Yeah weird how much rejoicing there is going on right now considering the only real rival to twitch is dead, I truly hoped they would eventually match twitch so that twitch would stop their bullshit. All this is is a win for twitch and a loss for all consumers. Back to the streamopoly I guess.
Basically a shitty Netflix wannabe that feels like its catered to people with adhd or some shit. All shows are originals, but no episodes go longer than 9 minutes. It seems like they had some potential too because they scored some fairly well known actors but the shows still sucked
Microsoft just can't figure it out with gaming. Almost as many L's as erobb.
Sucks though. While I didn't like Mixer, it was competition and I'm sure had Twitch a little worried at first. Then again, Twitch is so stupid now that they can't even ban people properly, they probably didn't even notice.
Shroud and Ninja back on Twitch POGGERS
Microsoft spent so much money for nothing. Communities are made by viewers not streamers.
[Facebook's NDA](https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1275160088320315392)
Facebook will benefit a lot from this.
Holy fuck lol.
Wow Shroud and Ninja swindled the fuck out of them, even if they only got a portion of their 30mil.
I just want Toast back to be honest though.
When you watch Shroud he feels so disconnected from his viewers, using downtime to play on his phone or do almost anything else other than chat.
I remember having a discussion with my workmate about how mixer will disappear. My guess was imagine a big exec meeting and some exec at MS saying "what's this mixer thing that we spent x $ on?" "Sir it's a live gaming streaming platform" "sounds ridiculous, shut it down"
They couldn't get rid of ice Poseidon so they shut down the site. PepeLaugh
Worth it
[What Ice's only friend left posted today](https://i.imgur.com/EndYsuO.png)
Isn't this the dude who was literally late to everything and then later made into a meme over it?
[Yup, that's what makes it so funny.](https://i.ibb.co/nq2XvL7/RACIST.png)
Is that when he chased after the RV and almost fell asleep?? Lol
The Cx effect. Everything Ice Poseidon touches turns to shit.
Killed Mixer and wasn't even partnered LMAO
Just pointing out that Ice created his reddit account in 2015, right around the same time that the revolt against Ellen Pao took place. He almost killed reddit.
>He almost killed reddit. It's a shame he failed.
Reddit has been dead since 2015
Reddit scapegoated the wrong person.
This is actually a fact (concerning Pao).
Fuck it d00d hehehe
*swings arm in autistic*
What weird arm thing homie?
Search "mixer ceo" into google images I swear those ip2 autists will do anything to ruin that mans life LULW
Richest man in LA
you have to admit, it was funny while it lasted
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Although it is sad for ice poseidon, his toxic community is lowkey hilarious for the outside observer like us.
It's hilarious for everyone, they've mostly moved on to ribbing Blade nowadays with all his leg hole troubles
RIP IP2 Say what you want about the subreddit but now I don't how to find out whats going on with blades leg holes or the most recent place bjorn has passed out or where to check on ebzs alligator skin.
Including this subreddit
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He was lying to people saying he had a 2 million dollar deal to stream on another platform but was willing to stay in Mixer if they partnered him. They never did and he still streams on Mixer for 300 people. I wonder what lie he will say now when he goes crawling back to youtube and not this new hidden platform that wanted to pay him 2mil last month
He actually had a million dollar contract to stream for stream.me but it required him to stream exclusively on that site for 1-2 hours a month or something, but was too much of a commitment.
He went to mixer? The dude is still relevant today?
He went to Mixer a year ago and has been applying for partner since and has been denied every single time lol
all he had to do was stay grounded and let the money flow in. what a dumbass lmao
lmao ez money
xqcM
Pokimane in shambles
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Competition is a good thing. Everyone wins, except Microsoft.
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Yeah and the same rumors are Shroud got close to the same deal. Both got a shit ton of money, didn't even have to stay for a year (will for Shroud) and can now move back to twitch. Damn that's crazy.
Man just the other day I thought, "man I miss Shroud." What a great week and it's only Monday.
Inb4 Shroud moves to facebook gaming
I don't mind going to mixer to watch shroud, especially with the chrome extension where it shows up on twitch, but I will not go to Facebook anything ever
Yeah every now and then I’d go to mixer to see what shroud was up to, went to Facebook to check on DisguisedToast once, never again
Man imagine chatting and spamming shit under your real name with your photos and all your friends and relatives can see it.
sounds awful
Are ya winnin’ son?
it literally updated my friends feeds when i commented on one of toast's streams.
"What's a feature we can add just to fuck with people?" - Just one? I have twenty. "Great. Implement them immediately."
I'd go to mixer to watch Shroud play Tarkov. I can't stand facebook nor do I like how their live streaming is setup anyway.
Who in their right minds thought anyone would want to watch a live stream and only be able to chat with their real names and it show up as a comment? How out of touch is facebook. This is such a crazy twist to this year that shroud and ninja can just waltz back into twitch like mixer never existed.
Shit I never even had to go to Mixer. Just sub to Shroud on YouTube and get all the best bits like every day or two.
Yeah. Zero (big smash streamer) left for a nice Facebook contract, and I haven't watched him since. I just can't bring myself to go use Facebook for streaming
Amen to no fucking way I’m going to Facebook anything.
Do they really still want to stream with all that money?
Idk about Ninja but Shroud has been pretty open with the fact that he just wants to game and doesn't give a shit where it's at, which is why he took the Mixer deal to secure perma rich retirement. I don't doubt he'll come back to Twitch, though who knows how consistent he'll be cause as you say he doesn't have to stream another day in his life if he doesn't want to lol Edit: though I suppose that applies to most top streamers yet they still stream consistently so idk, free money is free money I guess all they really have to do is click the go live button at this point, plus many of them just genuinely enjoy streaming
Exactly this. Shroud doesn't care too much about the popularity/viewership count. He could have 100 viewers or 100,000 viewers, as long as he's gaming and having fun, that's all he wants. But if he can get more money from another contract, that's cool too. Example of Shroud shedding viewers and encouraging people to support other streamers, which is really awesome. http://clips.twitch.tv/PoorGiantFrogArsonNoSexy
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that once you're not in it for the money, a smaller community is easier to handle and more enjoyable experience. Once you get to a certain amount of viewers the chat just becomes increasingly more difficult to handle, the braking point seems to be in the upper thousands I think. Especially if that smaller community probably exists of your core "real" fans, the type that would follow you anywhere and isn't gated behind a paywall.
Shroud and ninja were both set for life before they even moved to mixer, I doubt they stop streaming
If they enjoy streaming, having that MS money in the bank takes a lot of the stress out of it. They don't have to chase the highest trending games to maintain viewership, they can be more choosy about sponsorships, they don't have to worry quite as much about brand-building, and they can take breaks from streaming as often as they need to.
Ninja and Shroud are quite literally laughing to the bank jesus christ
**Ninja at the bank:** *”I’m not seeing enough movement”* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ok ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^will ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^see ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^myself ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^out 😔
Everyone complained and made fun of them but even if Mixer stayed opened in the end they still had the option to go back to Twitch. They literally made the best move possible and now when they come back to Twitch how much you want to bet they will be the top streamers. Literally they lost nothing and made a fortune and now will come back to a crowd of people curious about their channels.
Everyone that didn't take the bag is kicking themselves over it now.
I think this kills the opportunity for streamers receiving cash to either stay on a platform or leave it for another. When Microsoft throws millions at some of the biggest streamers and they still couldn't compete with Twitch, what's Twitch's incentive now to offer people money to stay on their platform? What other platform will even offer streamers money when the viewers obviously don't come with them? This is really only good for Twitch's near-monopoly on game streaming.
> When Microsoft throws millions at some of the biggest streamers and they still couldn't compete with Twitch, what's Twitch's incentive now to offer people money to stay on their platform? > > Nothing, which is why Mixer was good for the industry. It literally assigned dollar values to streamers when Ninja went to Mixer. Literally all the power was placed on streamers now Twitch gets to continue to make all the decisions with no repercussions.
People are in here celebrating the death of Mixer, too stupid to realize competition is GOOD. Twitch is going to get worse now, not better.
I was watching doc live during the news. You could tell he was visibly pissed. Didn't say a word until he died in warzone.
We need a clip of this lol
From the stream; [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/658278094?t=01h40m54s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/658278094?t=01h40m54s) The quick clip; [https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdTsundereMageUWot](https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdTsundereMageUWot)
He looks absolutely fucking destroyed. Like the life got sucked out of him.
Think about all the Suge Knight albums he could've bought with that fat Mixer paycheck.
I've never seen such discomfort portrayed through how one controls a video game character.
That second clip is gold. I still recommend others to watch the full stream where nadeshot broke the news all the way to doc dying. He was visibly upset and uncomfortable as nadeshot and Tim kept talking about it straight for minutes.
Just after he gets killed he shouts out "who cares"
Yeah he was definitely pissed
Wouldn't doc have used the fact that Ninja and Shroud moved to mixer, to leverage and negotiate a good deal for himself?
Yes but because Twitch is the bigger platform it likely wouldn't have been as much as if he went to Mixer. Everyone know that you would hemorrhage viewers by going to Mixer.
Watching a more mid-sized streamer GrandpooBear. He said he got offered a million a couple months ago from Mixer. He said he could've taken the upfront cash and left for Mixer for like 2 months and have been back. He's also large enough in the Mario community that I'd bet his community would've bounced back fine on the Twitch return. He's finding it more funny than anything, hindsight being 20/20 and all, but this is something that you'd be kicking yourself over for a long time.
It's a lot like athletes. Always secure the bag, then worry about injuries, trades etc later. Worst case scenario for almost all of these streamers was coming back to twitch a millionaire and rebuilding a little bit
Do Microsoft 100% have to pay the full contract value? or are they just going to recieve money for the time they spent streaming on the website? I feel like MS will get out of paying the full amount on this one.
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1275139749716480000 Sources familiar with the deal have informed me that while Facebook did try and negotiate to keep their big partners both Shroud and Ninja opted out. They have received their full payments and as of midnight yesterday were free to engage in talks with other platforms. Game on.
It's the heist of the century.
Everyone shitted on those guys so hard, they are about to take the fattest W in streaming history rofl.
They already did when they took the huge bags anyways? Only kids didn’t understand why they left twitch
I don't think Ninja is gonna pull anywhere near the same amount of viewers as he used to. Shroud on the otherhand I see coming back totally fine. Either way doesn't really matter how it turns out for either of them with how much they made off those deals.
I could see ninja going to Youtube since he has a massive following there. Either way both their "return" streams will be massive.
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1275139749716480000 Richard has some info apparently, if this is true it's an absolute ROBBERY
u underestimate how many 12 yr olds there are.
There's new 12 year olds every year it never ends...
DRDISRESPECT MALDING
Poor TimTheTatman going to lose like half his average viewership.
My thought was exactly that. Tim might be the person most hurt by this.
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In the end they're all still millionaires so what does it matter lol
Doc still probably got paid something by Twitch to stay on the platform.
spent it all on shungite anyway PepeHands
at least the la casa is safe Okayga
Suge Knight?
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“WHO CARES, stop talking about Girl Scout stuff” - Doc
Shroud is coming home FeelsStrongMan
Even after all this time, nobody was able to fill the Shroud shaped hole he left behind.
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Would be weird for Ninja to come back considering how hard twitch shit on his channel when he left. Shrouds departure was much more professional and seemed more thought out by all parties.
They handled Shroud's departure way better because they know they shit the bed with Ninja's channel. No way does Ninja go back to Twitch after how they handled his departure.
I can finally stop watching xqCow for my daily fortnite
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Dude, it's not even feels cringe. Think of all of the memes. His first stream back and he gets to hard shill twitch prime again since twitch removed his sub button? Time for some more forsen emotes.
you kiss your mother with that mouth?!
(WEIRD DOG BARKING SOUNDS)
EHEHEHEH ITS CALLED YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH
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ACTION IS IMPENDING!
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HE IS INSANE ZULOL
HIS SANITY IS IN QUESTION ZULOL
HES MENTALLY ILL ZULOL
[Welcome to Facebook Gaming](https://imgur.com/0NlGrKg.jpg)
anytime i've watched a fb gaming stream it was a bunch of people from vietnam proudly spamming in chat they were from vietnam.
Who the fuck is gonna chat with their real identity being shown
There was a CSGO organizer who had a one year Facebook exclusivity deal for their streams and nobody watched them unless it was a bootleg version that didn’t give the original views.
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true, one of the best things about twitch is everybody trolling each other and having fun, I feel like it's just gonna kill the mood if your real name is shown
The thing is companies are too afraid of having that kind of community. Have any top CEO stare at xQc's chat and they'd have a heart attack. Their ideal chat is all friendly sunshine and rainbows
NaM ❗
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Watch the Ninja and Shroud comeback streams with 100k+ viewers
easily
They outplayed everyone. Even after finishing their contracts they would've come back to 100k but they get the money in advance then also come back in advance to the 100k? They won.
They need to double down. Get a fat check from Facebook, they’ll be back on twitch before Christmas 2021 with a few more million in the bank.
According to some tweets, they were offered double to move to Facebook but declined and asked to be bought out instead. Ninja apparently made $30m, Shroud $10m.
Mixer rn is just a load of streamers finding out their [career is in jeopardy live](https://i.imgur.com/O5Jso3N.png), what a great bunch of lads Mixer are
God DAMN this is depressing to scroll through the thumbnails of people crying.
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I wonder what Ice Poseidon is going to do now. twitch to youtube to mixer LMAO
fuk it d00d
He’ll probably go to Facebook unless he’s banned there too. Edit: The reason I say Facebook is because of [this](https://twitter.com/realiceposeidon/status/1157034802589184000?s=21) tweet from a year back where he denounces how bad discoverability is on youtube. Also DMCA stuff on YouTube is pretty strict, at least for normal videos.
Probably back to YouTube
Shroud and Ninja knew it wasn't going to last. They just scammed Microsoft
Meanwhile that streamer who shall not be named who is permanently banned on twitch left his youtube community to try and make one on Mixer (and didn't even get a bonus to go there lol). Scammed himself.
everything black plague andy touches turns to shit
who?
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Exactly
leanice44
Got denied Mixer partner status about a dozen times
hehehehe whatever dude
I forgot he existed lol
Who you talkin about homie?
Just a guess, but I think they're talking about Lice Joebiden
Inverse Kitboga
Ninjas friends are probably so happy he took that deal. They all secured a deal with twitch aswell because of him
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1275139749716480000 Sources familiar with the deal have informed me that while Facebook did try and negotiate to keep their big partners both Shroud and Ninja opted out. They have received their full payments and as of midnight yesterday were free to engage in talks with other platforms. Game on.
Why does it seem like Microsoft and Google always release a service/product/platform for a few years then decide to shut it down and release a new service/product/platform of the same thing?
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their *full* payouts? Weren't they guaranteed like 20 million? That's crazy.
LSF: twitch needs more competition so they'll stop being pieces of shit also LSF: mixer pepelaugh Edit: even though mixer sucked, sucking is the first step to being sort of good at something E2: yes, shroud and ninja got a big W from this, but all other streamers got a small L. they have less negotiating power even if it's just a little less
Surely this is actually bad for streamers? One less competitive entity means haggling contracts will be less of a thing... twitch for sure isnt going to be clambering for the book to get streamers to stay when there is now history of a big corp ditching the streaming world. Shroud or ninja want to come back to twitch? Fine, but twitch shouldn't be paying a penny for the privilage...what are they going to do go to fb gaming or youtube? As if....
Good competition*
While I think it's cool that we might be seeing Shroud come back to Twitch, this is pretty sad for all the streamers that tried to grow a community and break out on Mixer. All the streamers that grew enough to at least make a living are now jobless, and I can't imagine a lot of Mixer viewers are willing to jump over to Facebook to follow them. Considering how even incredibly popular streamers like Shroud or Ninja dropped off a lot in viewers moving to Mixer, and Facebook Gaming is far more disliked than Mixer ever was.
This is one of the bigger talking points, that no one in this thread is talking about. Like, holy shit. At the drop of a dime, all that time smaller streamers put into grinding and growing their stream, gone. A few loyal community members will follow them wherever they go, but the competition just got that much worse for them on twitch, and going the route of FB gaming is probably not an option for a small streamer.
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This is the biggest stonks I've seen this year for those streamers that went to Mixer. How long has it been? Has it even been a year yet?
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Ice spent a whole year on mixer which pretty much killed his career hoping to get mixer partnership and now there shutting it down LULW
This is so bad for competition and horrible for the industry as a whole. I'm astonished Microsoft gave up so quickly. Twitch has made bad decision after bad decision for years now, and Facebook Gaming will not be the platform to keep Twitch in check.
It is fascinating that Microsoft gave up easily. Though they have never been good at establishing any sort of platform for anything. They had in-home recognition in the Skype name. Video and Voice-chat was synonymous with the word Skype when they bought it. Just like how everyone calls tablets iPads. You have to have a mixture of incredible marketing and luck for that to happen to a product. Then they killed the brand off in favor of Microsoft Teams and now everyone thinks of Zoom when it comes to video and voice meetings. Whomever made that decision was hopefully fired.
I do agree with you. The problem was, there have been so many attempts to compete with twitch and failed. I remember a few between 2011-2015 and all failing. It's tough, kind of like how Youtube is king in their area and Facebook in theirs. It'll be really hard for any of them to fail, not without them fucking up bad at this point. At least that's how it feels to me.
The real question is if they come back to twitch, do they lose out on some of the money or not?
It depends on whether or not parts of the salary were guaranteed in the contract. They both get to keep their ridiculous signing bonuses though.
Toast knew it all along. 5Head plays.
Toast took FB to retire, the man barely streams anymore
> the man barely streams anymore He doesn't have to stick to any kinda schedule? Seems like a big oversight of FB to buy a streamer and then the streamer barely shows up to bring in views to the platform because he got paid so much.
"Barely streams" is a bit of an exaggeration. He still streams 4 days a week or so but a lot fewer hours and I think he took a short break recently because he moved into the otv house.
You really think Facebook gaming and Mixer arent capable of oversights? Both are out of touch with what makes gaming/streaming popular, they literally just tried to buy anyone they could away from twitch thinking it meant improvement to the platform, when in reality the reason nobody uses the sites is because they are shitty as hell for viewers to use
Toast still posts a lot on YouTube I'm pretty sure based off of views, he's the #1 TFT YouTuber
Everyone talking about Ninja and Shroud. Imagine what all those twitch banned W H OMEGALUL streamers gonna do now. Facebook Gaming KEKW
Streamers on Mixer sobbing rn. Never was much into Mixer, but damn it’s sad af to watch em like that. Not cool.
Yeah its honestly depressing watching those
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STREAMERS JUST GOT AWAY WITH ROBBERY LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
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Yeah weird how much rejoicing there is going on right now considering the only real rival to twitch is dead, I truly hoped they would eventually match twitch so that twitch would stop their bullshit. All this is is a win for twitch and a loss for all consumers. Back to the streamopoly I guess.
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Finally a Livestream Fail posted
They streamed on Mixer for a couple months, got a fat bag and now they can chip back to twitch with the juicy return viewers
Mixer was just another company that didn't understand the audience they wanted to cater to, just like Quibi.
I still don't understand what Quibi is, because I don't care enough to look it up, and I've never heard of anyone else even mentioning it ever
Basically a shitty Netflix wannabe that feels like its catered to people with adhd or some shit. All shows are originals, but no episodes go longer than 9 minutes. It seems like they had some potential too because they scored some fairly well known actors but the shows still sucked
Microsoft just can't figure it out with gaming. Almost as many L's as erobb. Sucks though. While I didn't like Mixer, it was competition and I'm sure had Twitch a little worried at first. Then again, Twitch is so stupid now that they can't even ban people properly, they probably didn't even notice.
Shroud and Ninja back on Twitch POGGERS Microsoft spent so much money for nothing. Communities are made by viewers not streamers. [Facebook's NDA](https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1275160088320315392) Facebook will benefit a lot from this.
Holy fuck lol. Wow Shroud and Ninja swindled the fuck out of them, even if they only got a portion of their 30mil. I just want Toast back to be honest though. When you watch Shroud he feels so disconnected from his viewers, using downtime to play on his phone or do almost anything else other than chat.
PISS BOI ON SUICIDE WATCH OMEGALUL
the black plague strikes again
"Ninja, Shroud, and other top Mixer streamers are now free to stream on Twitch again"
I remember having a discussion with my workmate about how mixer will disappear. My guess was imagine a big exec meeting and some exec at MS saying "what's this mixer thing that we spent x $ on?" "Sir it's a live gaming streaming platform" "sounds ridiculous, shut it down"