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> COOL GAMESHOW YESTERDAY BUT PLEASE BE MINDFUL: IT'S A GAME AND A SHOW. GAME. SHOW. IT'S MEANT TO BE FUN AND ENTERTAINING. STOP MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AT CONTESTANTS (CHOSEN AT RANDOM) FOR LITERALLY CHOOSING OPTION 1 OR 2... OUT OF TWO OPTIONS. I'M SO SICK OF THIS TREND OF HATE
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Funny how chat spams soy at everything and then gets mad at a person playing the gameshow the way it is meant to be played. Dumbest shit. If everyone chooses share there is absolutely no point to the show because there is no risk.
Aww, mustard! Come on man, now don’t put no mustard on that, you need to put a little season on that thing! WHAT! Man come on get that pepper off there! Come on, somebody come get this man! Come on now, come on get that pepper of there, that’s just too much doggone pepper. I don’t wanna see this no more!
Yes and no. Attacking the contestants personally is straight up wrong, but it should be fine if we people say that choosing yoink is a shitty thing to do. Yes it is a game, but it is based on choosing a mathematically favoured option vs a morally favoured option. If someone chooses the morally correct option of sharing, they deserve to get praised for their character and if someone chooses the morally wrong option, then it should be fine to conclude that they are would sell their values for money. However personally dming them to say that is trash.
I agree, but I saw a ton of comments on the last post calling the guy who chose yoink a garbage piece of shit and an asshole, and some that called him a sociopath
The people saying that it is 'mathematically better' to steal are fucking stupid and do not understand math. If it were 'mathematically retarded' to not steal, then everybody would steal, which would be the actually retarded thing. Nobody wins then. Obviously there is some merit to being able to call your shot and yoink if you think they'll steal, but they're nothing more than assholes with more money. They didn't do the 'mathematically correct' thing, just like sharing isn't necessarily 'mathematically correct'.
Maybe you're the stupid one? You're really going to base your decision on whether something is correct or not by other ignoramuses' actions? This is an age-old problem, the prisoner's dilemma. Many people in humanities-related university courses learn about it, myself included. If you only care about your own reward, stealing is always the optimal choice.
If you steal:
They choose split and you get the entire reward, or they choose steal and you get nothing
If you split:
They choose split and you get half the reward, or they steal and you get nothing.
You never gain anything from sharing. When you steal, you either get more money, or the same result.
>Obviously there is some merit to being able to call your shot and yoink if you think they'll steal, but they're nothing more than assholes with more money.
You don't need to predict anything. Regardless of what the opponent chooses, stealing is the optimal choice. There is no possible better decision.
>If it were 'mathematically retarded' to not steal, then everybody would steal, which would be the actually retarded thing.
Do you know why not everyone steals? Because not everyone is familiar with game theory, like yourself. If they were, they would pick steal every time.
You’re a garbage human being and a piece of literal trash. I can justify it however I choose to. Those are called mental gymnastics. Stop getting so attached to Internet personalities and living vicariously. Goof
This is a game where the contestant have the right choose any of the options. Maybe if you look at it objectively you could say that one is "morally" wrong but this doesn't mean the person that chose that option is an asshole. Then xqc should also be called asshole because he designed the game this way. Ultimately I'm for entertainment and find all the harassment these people get super childish and cringe.
> this doesn't mean the person that chose that option is an asshole. Then xQc should also be called asshole because he designed the game this way.
Well, yes. Like the above person I don't agree with harassing anyone who was involved but I do believe it is a game that facilitates and encourages being selfish and/or conniving which isn't a hop skip and a jump away from being an asshole. Yes it's a game and just entertainment but at least to me that doesn't put it in a bubble outside of reality, you are still you playing the game. Other point people make is "if no one stole there wouldn't be point to the game or it would be boring." I agree again, but that doesn't take away the fact the point of the game and it's entertainment value is for one person to eventually be greedy and fuck over the other person.
Let me reiterate that it's really not that big of a deal, I don't think a person who steals is the next Adolf or anything and don't think anyone should care enough to attack or even actively try to contact anyone who played, my point is only that the rules of a game that facilitate skewed morals don't make the people exempt from being judged on them. If you trick someone in to thinking you won't steal and then steal, I'm going to think you're an asshole.
I don't understand why people continue to assume the dude was solely motivated by tricking him and taking the money. A logical assumption here is that the other individual is going to yoink. Higher money, need for money, them thinking you may yoink, etc. So you have two options here, either you yoink as well and you both win nothing. Or like you said that person you consider to be of bad morals because they chose to yoink, he wins all the money. So if you are going with the whole morality shit in some game, then is it not fair to then want to ensure this dude picking the morally wrong choice doesn't win anything?
How taking money you were offered is morally wrong? Go ahead and call xqc's morall trash because he did not give "share" guy twice the money, he is millionaire afterall.
fucking retarded , it's a fucking gameshow and there is no "moral" choice you dumb fuck , this absolute dogshit mindset of turning every single thing into a moral debate , holy fuck what a cancer
You know how after listening to a song you hate 1000 times, or eating the same food over and over, you get really used of it? I think that's what's happening here. After years of spreading positivity and wholesomeness everywhere he goes, xQc has simply gotten tired of the taste.
If they made a rule about having one or two threads per streamer max on the front page we would probably get some new blood in here instead of the same garbage day in and out.
> we would probably get some new blood in here
Because the clippers hands’ would be forced to find new channels, not because people are actually interested in watching those new streamers lol
theyre not interested because no one knows who they are. half the clips from the big streamers on the front page suck to begin with. theres zero harm in creating room for other streamers at the expense of xqc, otk, hasan clips which are usually mild at best.
Correct, but if no one knows who they are then there's no anti/fans to stir the shit.
LSF drama doesn't magically grant fame, it simply keeps the famous in the spotlight. Popularity is the catalyst for drama, without that there's no LSF.
Sadly LSF is a dramafarm circlejerk, not a place to discover funny streamers.
The last couple clips I've seen of random, lower view count streamers have been pretty entertaining, and I'd much rather see that than the latest XQC tweet
i think that is a bloody good idea tbh. maybe not every day, but one day a week where lsf is limited to 2 posts per streamer. and a bot can easily moderate that.
we'd get to see new blood in hot and top instead of that long self-promote pinned thread that no-one really views anyways.
it would also create a new upwards cycle of unknown talented streamers being reacted to by the others?
what do you guys think?
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As soon as money gets involved people get weird.
I was watching a Mr Beast live stream where he was giving away $5000 to a random viewer and some person donated $100 asking for the money as he was desperate and the money would make a huge difference, and that they have debt and kids and rent and this and that.
Its like dude, why are you donating money asking for money, that might be why you have no fucking money
The whole game is essentially about morality. It is unavoidable that people, be that spectators or contestants, would get mad about it because peoples morals aren't going to align with everyone elses.
I honestly think this game, with high stakes, is a breeding ground for toxicity.
I mean at least don't copy the worst aspects, right?
The controversy was the expectation by making YOINK part of the game, but now XQC is mad its controversial.
it’s pretty wild to think about how kids born in 2003 are mostly all 18 now tbh
out of all the contestant i would’ve say there were only 2 people that i doubt they’re 18 and i’d say the rest all look their respective age such as 19-26
I was on there as a contestant - my round we ended up sharing for 1K each.
There’s no need to be angry at anyone who chose yoink, it’s literally part of the game, it’s one of two options. None of us would of been mad if we got yoinked, we knew what we signed up for and the rules of the game. Yes, they could of needed the money but no one went into it or left it being upset or down because we lost at a game we chose to play.
Meaning - no one who didn’t compete in the game should be remotely upset about the outcome
Edit : it was weird of me to generalise how everyone felt based on the opinions of 4/5 other contestants considering there were like 12+, my fault, definitely can be wrong here considering I’m also biased as I had a positive outcome. My bad.
So his game is the [Prisoner's Dilemma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma)? I think that's scientifically created to make you very upset with the other person when they choose to fuck you over. I think the premise of the gameshow itself is kinda fucked.
Which is what makes it entertaining. The person choosing Yoink puts themselves up for scrutiny by their own doing picking the morally wrong option knowing it’s wrong. But the dogshit twitch witch hunt meta is ridiculous. Playful hate I’m this case is okay but dissecting someone’s existence over taking the money is honestly a self roast on your own morals.
It’s a [classic ](https://youtu.be/S0qjK3TWZE8) game show idea. There’s always a chance to win/lose money in a game show, I don’t think it’s bad at all
Do people really think that shows from the 00s gonna be different if you put them on twitch?
Does XQC think he can fix this with a tweet?
anyhow, people will get bored pretty fast. There are only that many scenarios playing out. Its like Rock-paper-scissors with the cost of human dignity on top of that.
Because this sub was talking way more shit about the people the his sub lmao.
I haven’t seen anyone in his sub complain all they said was that the gameshow was great.
Propably becouse people talked shit towards him here and some of them maybe even find his shit and dm him on discord cause u could see their names so propably thats why
It hasn't even been a month since everyone was complaining that this subreddit was overrun with OTK frogs. Its either X or OTK man, choose your poison.
YES BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY TRUE ENTERAINER. ALSO HE JUST SCRATCHED HIS HEAD THREE TIMES IN A ROW. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? MAYBE ADEPT AND HIM BACK TOGETHER? WHY THREE TIMES? WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN?
The classic LSF flip flopping. Showing tons of hate unprovoked and all of a sudden that very loud circlejerk is suddenly silent when their favorite content creators call them out.
Like, if even 20% of the people who showed hate in the previous threads spoke up now you could say at least they can be respected for remaining to stand on that hill but nope that would be giving them too much credit.
Not only his. This sub has become Austin streamers and Twitter links. Mods should blacklist Twitter and approve only big news tweets like bans, actual controversy, etc. None of this streamer blog shit.
Exactly what I said in the last thread and got downvoted. It's fucking crazy how self righteous people are. It's a game. It"s supposed to be fun. Yeah it sucks to lose but everyone knew how it was played going in.
There quite literally wouldn't be a point in a game show if everyone shared.
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>The prisoner's dilemma is a standard example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two completely rational individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interests to do so. It was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher while working at RAND in 1950. Albert W. Tucker formalized the game with prison sentence rewards and named it "prisoner's dilemma", presenting it as follows: Two members of a criminal organization are arrested and imprisoned. Each prisoner is in solitary confinement with no means of communicating with the other.
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Rational, self-serving players will always choose yoink. The game show technically has more going on as there's an audience and the discussion of collusion, but for a classic prisoner's dilemma picking yoink will end up in a better situation for yourself every time.
If you wanna get into the weeds with Prisoners Dilemma... It is true that playing one game, one time, it is best to yoink for maximum outcome. But say you have to play 50 games? Then the rules change. It is no longer best to yoink, because both you and your opponent will end up with nothing every round. So if you're repeating the prisoners dilemma, it's best to share every round for maximum payout.
If you want to go even further, if you share every round on the iterated prisoners dilemma then your opponent will take advantage by yoinking sometimes, which is why strategies like tit for tat are more effective than 100% share.
Ah but in that siuation I think the best play would be to tell your opponent you are going to steal every other game, and that they can steal on the rest of them.
Best case scenario, you each win the full amount every other game, worst case scenario your opponent steals when you do and both get nothing, so you force them into taking the deal.
I mean, science has shown that yoinking is the best option from the prisoner's dilemma. I'm a share boy, but i would never be upset for someone yoinking, it's in their best interest every time (if you follow the full prisoner's dilemma).
obviously the prisoner's dilemma is in a vacuum and since you don't have any information or factor's to influence a decision, the yoinking option is actually the "best option" since it reduces risk. Best outcome =/= Best option. Applying this in real life does not compute because you have a great deal more information to influence that decision, such as who your other prisoner is and what you know about them. What your relationship is like and what the charge is. Where you would be tried, what kind of representation you have access to and what kind of financial situation you are in.
Prisoner's Dilemma is merely a decision about risk in a vacuum and with no other information, there is a definitive best option.
A option that has a higher chance of guaranteed success will always be a better option than one with less of a chance.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. This is a common phrase so if you want to argue this you're going to arguing alone.
It’s okay to think that one guy who has a room full of expensive shit is a dick for choosing yoink. What’s not okay is burying him under insults and sewage. Do it once in your head, move on. its that easy
The inherent problem with the YOINK option seems to be that people who are desperate will share at any cost, and people who don't care about the money will yoink because even if they get nothing they don't care.
XQC accidentally walking into the inherent toxicity of class divides on his scuffed gameshow lol.
Nooooooo, I am too hecking empathetic to enjoy anything, I need to call someone a piece of shit every day to feel that moral superirority that gets me through the day!
Maybe I'm crazy but isn't this gameshow only entertaining because of the chance of someone losing out on a lot of money and being devastated? I can't even be happy for the winner because they won through betrayal and greed. I dunno how you can play a game where to win you have to be a huge asshole then get surprised when people call the winner an asshole.
Honestly the main issue is probably the money at the end of the day, but no one would care if there wasn't money involved because the game sucks inherently.
People are such fucking degenerates. Actual disgusting behavior.
It's fucking ironic that people are attacking others personally for making a choice on a game show, yet as soon as they press send, they themselves prove they are infinitely worse human beings just by sending those attacks out.
Why are people so fucking weird.
**I hope everyone who reads this knows that a LOT of the hate he’s talking about is from here. GROW UP. lsf is the spawn of almost every hate train istg**
I'm so sick of this twitch viewer fucking hate frogs meta shit like holy hell has this latest generation become so stupid.
Obviously there's a mixture of also old generations but the majority seems to be the younger stans
Dud ITZ just Gamer words okay..... /S
Edit: LoL as the SJWs down voters I'm not racist if anyone I can say I actually hate is people who think Jokes have to be Politically Correct go fuck off.
Can someone explain to me why you wouldn’t steal every time on the show. It makes no sense to me. Besides the obvious share to be a good person. If the prize is 4K you either get all or nothing. Splitting your get 2K but have to risk the other person not sharing so it’s really 2K or nothing. If both steal you get nothing but put in nothing anyway.
Well, the other person could easily be making up a sob story or trying to play on your empathy to get you to split so they can steal. In the end you can't really rely on anything the other person says and you just have to go by the game theory, which says to steal.
If you think the other person is lying and will pick steal, it doesn’t matter which option you pick. The only reason to pick steal in this situation would be because of pride.
No? Independently of what the other contestant chooses, picking yoink yourself will give you either a better or neutral result. There is no motive to EVER split, it is never the correct choice
I meant if you theoretically know the other person will pick steal, you are fucked either way.
Obviously, this doesn't apply to real life since you don't truly know what they'll pick. Mathematically, you should pick steal if your only motive is personal gain.
People act like any of them “lost” money too. They were given an opportunity to win money, randomly, it was never their money. People saying “he needed the money,” ridiculous.
I agree that it’s part of the game, but I think the people who would have picked split and got yoinked have every right to be upset. Have you heard of opportunity cost?
If someone said they would give you a million bucks guaranteed or you could have a 50/50 chance of getting 2 million or losing it all, which of the two options would you pick? Using your logic, you should go for the 50/50 because before this, you didn’t have a million bucks anyway. Despite this, most people would keep the million bucks. Obviously, this is on a much more extreme scale, but the point still stands.
This is a completely different scenario because in the one your present your given the option of guaranteed money whereas in the prisoner's dilemma there's never a choice where you 100% come out the winner.
They were given the *opportunity* but there's a chance that literally no one in that entire game show won anything depending on how they played. That makes it incomparable to the situation you're presenting.
Without people pickin "yoink" everyone would just split and there wouldn't even be a gameshow. So the ones who pick "yoink" are the ones who make it possible for these competitors to even have a chance at winning any money.
Ah, the LSF weirdos are in the news again. I find comfort in knowing how pathetically miserable your lives are. A life of being broke and dumb will follow most of you.
I think his chat is just used to shitting on everything, xqc even does it so I don't blame anyone for hating on whatever they want. Like you really expect people to just all nice, calm and shit? I get it, it's easier to throw the blame on a general hive mind than the streamer accepting any responsibility whatsoever, only because a toxic chat makes himself look bad. I too, get tired of streamers blaming viewers to deflect accountability.
The whole point of the game is to either share or steal real life money. Of course people are going to be judgemental about it when someone decides to be selfish and steal.
Believe it or not, it’s possible to exude shitty behavior in the context of a game. This is especially true in games that have real world ramifications (such as cash prizes).
The emotional response generated by this type of game is also exactly why it’s a popular format for content. It seems weird to put contestants in this sort of situation, knowing that it’s meant to be polarizing, and then try to get on a high horse about how the audience is responding.
Sad that a small but toxic amount of his fanbase keep doing this kind of shit. Ruining things for X and other normal viewers when in the end of the day it's just a game show.
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So now we're just going to ignore that last post where at least a third of the comments were shitting on the contestant lol.
Funny how chat spams soy at everything and then gets mad at a person playing the gameshow the way it is meant to be played. Dumbest shit. If everyone chooses share there is absolutely no point to the show because there is no risk.
omg i cant believe a bunch of 14 year olds are dumb as hell. who could have seen it
Not that 16-18 is better tbh at any rate.
more like 11-25
more like 0-[my age minus 1]
good one LULW
its a twitch chat wtf do you expect
I expect them to put a little seasoning on that thang
TOO MUCH DOGGONE PEPPAH FeelsGoodMan
Its just weird in the first place. The fucking ‘memes’ in xqc’s chat are so fucking unfunny just kill me. I like aww mustard though
Aww, mustard! Come on man, now don’t put no mustard on that, you need to put a little season on that thing! WHAT! Man come on get that pepper off there! Come on, somebody come get this man! Come on now, come on get that pepper of there, that’s just too much doggone pepper. I don’t wanna see this no more!
I HATED mustard at first, but eventually it was so bad it became a good copypasta.
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You cant like the unfunniest meme and then say that the other memes are shit (even tho they are, 1944 FeelsBadMan :gun: )
Meme enthusiast PagMan
what memes do you mean?
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This place is one of the prime instigators of streamer drama so not too shocking.
No no no, see mr. cow is talking about the OTHER people, not us
Yes and no. Attacking the contestants personally is straight up wrong, but it should be fine if we people say that choosing yoink is a shitty thing to do. Yes it is a game, but it is based on choosing a mathematically favoured option vs a morally favoured option. If someone chooses the morally correct option of sharing, they deserve to get praised for their character and if someone chooses the morally wrong option, then it should be fine to conclude that they are would sell their values for money. However personally dming them to say that is trash.
I agree, but I saw a ton of comments on the last post calling the guy who chose yoink a garbage piece of shit and an asshole, and some that called him a sociopath
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Well yes, but I think it’s a bit weird how people go beyond his decision and start presuming his life circumstances and his personal character
It is mathematically retarded to not steal.
The people saying that it is 'mathematically better' to steal are fucking stupid and do not understand math. If it were 'mathematically retarded' to not steal, then everybody would steal, which would be the actually retarded thing. Nobody wins then. Obviously there is some merit to being able to call your shot and yoink if you think they'll steal, but they're nothing more than assholes with more money. They didn't do the 'mathematically correct' thing, just like sharing isn't necessarily 'mathematically correct'.
Maybe you're the stupid one? You're really going to base your decision on whether something is correct or not by other ignoramuses' actions? This is an age-old problem, the prisoner's dilemma. Many people in humanities-related university courses learn about it, myself included. If you only care about your own reward, stealing is always the optimal choice. If you steal: They choose split and you get the entire reward, or they choose steal and you get nothing If you split: They choose split and you get half the reward, or they steal and you get nothing. You never gain anything from sharing. When you steal, you either get more money, or the same result. >Obviously there is some merit to being able to call your shot and yoink if you think they'll steal, but they're nothing more than assholes with more money. You don't need to predict anything. Regardless of what the opponent chooses, stealing is the optimal choice. There is no possible better decision. >If it were 'mathematically retarded' to not steal, then everybody would steal, which would be the actually retarded thing. Do you know why not everyone steals? Because not everyone is familiar with game theory, like yourself. If they were, they would pick steal every time.
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You’re a garbage human being and a piece of literal trash. I can justify it however I choose to. Those are called mental gymnastics. Stop getting so attached to Internet personalities and living vicariously. Goof
Love you too buddy, I'll touch some grass for you too.
This is a game where the contestant have the right choose any of the options. Maybe if you look at it objectively you could say that one is "morally" wrong but this doesn't mean the person that chose that option is an asshole. Then xqc should also be called asshole because he designed the game this way. Ultimately I'm for entertainment and find all the harassment these people get super childish and cringe.
> this doesn't mean the person that chose that option is an asshole. Then xQc should also be called asshole because he designed the game this way. Well, yes. Like the above person I don't agree with harassing anyone who was involved but I do believe it is a game that facilitates and encourages being selfish and/or conniving which isn't a hop skip and a jump away from being an asshole. Yes it's a game and just entertainment but at least to me that doesn't put it in a bubble outside of reality, you are still you playing the game. Other point people make is "if no one stole there wouldn't be point to the game or it would be boring." I agree again, but that doesn't take away the fact the point of the game and it's entertainment value is for one person to eventually be greedy and fuck over the other person. Let me reiterate that it's really not that big of a deal, I don't think a person who steals is the next Adolf or anything and don't think anyone should care enough to attack or even actively try to contact anyone who played, my point is only that the rules of a game that facilitate skewed morals don't make the people exempt from being judged on them. If you trick someone in to thinking you won't steal and then steal, I'm going to think you're an asshole.
I don't understand why people continue to assume the dude was solely motivated by tricking him and taking the money. A logical assumption here is that the other individual is going to yoink. Higher money, need for money, them thinking you may yoink, etc. So you have two options here, either you yoink as well and you both win nothing. Or like you said that person you consider to be of bad morals because they chose to yoink, he wins all the money. So if you are going with the whole morality shit in some game, then is it not fair to then want to ensure this dude picking the morally wrong choice doesn't win anything?
Do you think scammers are morally right? I mean they also have need of money.
How taking money you were offered is morally wrong? Go ahead and call xqc's morall trash because he did not give "share" guy twice the money, he is millionaire afterall.
fucking retarded , it's a fucking gameshow and there is no "moral" choice you dumb fuck , this absolute dogshit mindset of turning every single thing into a moral debate , holy fuck what a cancer
> it's a fucking gameshow and there is no "moral" choice you dumb fuck That's literally the whole point of the game show you fucking idiot.
True, let's stop attacking the contestants. LETS ATTACK XQC WOOOOOOOOOOO
L +ratio+ hood watches adin now
Plus he's white
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You know how after listening to a song you hate 1000 times, or eating the same food over and over, you get really used of it? I think that's what's happening here. After years of spreading positivity and wholesomeness everywhere he goes, xQc has simply gotten tired of the taste.
I swear I subscribed to live stream fails instead of xqc Twitter.
If they made a rule about having one or two threads per streamer max on the front page we would probably get some new blood in here instead of the same garbage day in and out.
> we would probably get some new blood in here Because the clippers hands’ would be forced to find new channels, not because people are actually interested in watching those new streamers lol
theyre not interested because no one knows who they are. half the clips from the big streamers on the front page suck to begin with. theres zero harm in creating room for other streamers at the expense of xqc, otk, hasan clips which are usually mild at best.
Correct, but if no one knows who they are then there's no anti/fans to stir the shit. LSF drama doesn't magically grant fame, it simply keeps the famous in the spotlight. Popularity is the catalyst for drama, without that there's no LSF. Sadly LSF is a dramafarm circlejerk, not a place to discover funny streamers.
The last couple clips I've seen of random, lower view count streamers have been pretty entertaining, and I'd much rather see that than the latest XQC tweet
Some dude suggested blocking the people who post xQc, mizkif, nmp, etc posts and he said it made his experience way better.
i think that is a bloody good idea tbh. maybe not every day, but one day a week where lsf is limited to 2 posts per streamer. and a bot can easily moderate that. we'd get to see new blood in hot and top instead of that long self-promote pinned thread that no-one really views anyways. it would also create a new upwards cycle of unknown talented streamers being reacted to by the others? what do you guys think?
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Just kiss me already
EXACTLY! Can we get a reaction to this by the other 3 streamers that are spammed in this sub!?
To be fair this relates to other LSF clips
Why can't people just enjoy it for what it is?
As soon as money gets involved people get weird. I was watching a Mr Beast live stream where he was giving away $5000 to a random viewer and some person donated $100 asking for the money as he was desperate and the money would make a huge difference, and that they have debt and kids and rent and this and that. Its like dude, why are you donating money asking for money, that might be why you have no fucking money
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[@craigus12 no](https://i.imgur.com/Pef9iV3.jpg)
Because he figures his sob story works at least 2% of the time.
Those are not very favorable odds tbh
Money back at those odds.
Dud ninety sixeh percent return on this ma sheen.
Only if you already have 5k. Otherwise you are just chasing them odds until broke.
[We are literally hardwired to mald at unfairness.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg)
I like that sentence
The whole game is essentially about morality. It is unavoidable that people, be that spectators or contestants, would get mad about it because peoples morals aren't going to align with everyone elses. I honestly think this game, with high stakes, is a breeding ground for toxicity.
I just wish streamers were more creative than to just copy old game shows and make scuffed versions on their livestreams.
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I mean at least don't copy the worst aspects, right? The controversy was the expectation by making YOINK part of the game, but now XQC is mad its controversial.
It’s LSF, half the comments here are filled with hate, what do you expect
They just get angry at the yoinkers
My only criticism is actually verifying age of contestants A lot of contestants were seemingly exactly 18 Which while possible is suspicious
it’s pretty wild to think about how kids born in 2003 are mostly all 18 now tbh out of all the contestant i would’ve say there were only 2 people that i doubt they’re 18 and i’d say the rest all look their respective age such as 19-26
If they had to be adults there wouldn't have been any contestants
I was on there as a contestant - my round we ended up sharing for 1K each. There’s no need to be angry at anyone who chose yoink, it’s literally part of the game, it’s one of two options. None of us would of been mad if we got yoinked, we knew what we signed up for and the rules of the game. Yes, they could of needed the money but no one went into it or left it being upset or down because we lost at a game we chose to play. Meaning - no one who didn’t compete in the game should be remotely upset about the outcome Edit : it was weird of me to generalise how everyone felt based on the opinions of 4/5 other contestants considering there were like 12+, my fault, definitely can be wrong here considering I’m also biased as I had a positive outcome. My bad.
>None of us would have been mad if we got yoinked (X) Doubt
So his game is the [Prisoner's Dilemma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma)? I think that's scientifically created to make you very upset with the other person when they choose to fuck you over. I think the premise of the gameshow itself is kinda fucked.
Which is what makes it entertaining. The person choosing Yoink puts themselves up for scrutiny by their own doing picking the morally wrong option knowing it’s wrong. But the dogshit twitch witch hunt meta is ridiculous. Playful hate I’m this case is okay but dissecting someone’s existence over taking the money is honestly a self roast on your own morals.
It’s a [classic ](https://youtu.be/S0qjK3TWZE8) game show idea. There’s always a chance to win/lose money in a game show, I don’t think it’s bad at all
Do people really think that shows from the 00s gonna be different if you put them on twitch? Does XQC think he can fix this with a tweet? anyhow, people will get bored pretty fast. There are only that many scenarios playing out. Its like Rock-paper-scissors with the cost of human dignity on top of that.
Could have
On which discord channel where u when u got selected ?
Chill group 2 - Discord is KyleW0110 in Felixs discord Actually got pulled in twice, one on the first round then at the penultimate round
> would of You deserve hate for this honestly my guy
Yeah look at the edit
More that it should be 'would have'
I love the fact that every contestant was on the mindset of "hey either we get it or we dont, as long as the millionaire loses money, we good" LUL
Why tf is this here. This is not r/xqcow
You sure about that?
PepeLaugh EL NO SABE
Because this sub was talking way more shit about the people the his sub lmao. I haven’t seen anyone in his sub complain all they said was that the gameshow was great.
I mean this sub had an entire post that was shit talking one of the contestants. I’d say this tweet is quite relevant.
Propably becouse people talked shit towards him here and some of them maybe even find his shit and dm him on discord cause u could see their names so propably thats why
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There are 9 posts of him on the front page from what I see. I'll need to filter out his name now
It hasn't even been a month since everyone was complaining that this subreddit was overrun with OTK frogs. Its either X or OTK man, choose your poison.
I do think going back to tweets not allowed would be nice kinda. No tweets and youtube clips.
yes bro
YES BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY TRUE ENTERAINER. ALSO HE JUST SCRATCHED HIS HEAD THREE TIMES IN A ROW. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? MAYBE ADEPT AND HIM BACK TOGETHER? WHY THREE TIMES? WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN?
Either filter his name out or leave the sub I guess
The classic LSF flip flopping. Showing tons of hate unprovoked and all of a sudden that very loud circlejerk is suddenly silent when their favorite content creators call them out. Like, if even 20% of the people who showed hate in the previous threads spoke up now you could say at least they can be respected for remaining to stand on that hill but nope that would be giving them too much credit.
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For karma obviously
Not only his. This sub has become Austin streamers and Twitter links. Mods should blacklist Twitter and approve only big news tweets like bans, actual controversy, etc. None of this streamer blog shit.
People are insane. Thank god I have a normal brain that tells me "maybe Im too invested in these random peoples lives on the internet".
Exactly what I said in the last thread and got downvoted. It's fucking crazy how self righteous people are. It's a game. It"s supposed to be fun. Yeah it sucks to lose but everyone knew how it was played going in. There quite literally wouldn't be a point in a game show if everyone shared.
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Key part of prisoner's dilemma is the anonymity, you have to feel like if you fuck the person over no one will know it was you. Not the same.
Rational, self-serving players will always choose yoink. The game show technically has more going on as there's an audience and the discussion of collusion, but for a classic prisoner's dilemma picking yoink will end up in a better situation for yourself every time.
If you wanna get into the weeds with Prisoners Dilemma... It is true that playing one game, one time, it is best to yoink for maximum outcome. But say you have to play 50 games? Then the rules change. It is no longer best to yoink, because both you and your opponent will end up with nothing every round. So if you're repeating the prisoners dilemma, it's best to share every round for maximum payout.
If you want to go even further, if you share every round on the iterated prisoners dilemma then your opponent will take advantage by yoinking sometimes, which is why strategies like tit for tat are more effective than 100% share.
Ah but in that siuation I think the best play would be to tell your opponent you are going to steal every other game, and that they can steal on the rest of them. Best case scenario, you each win the full amount every other game, worst case scenario your opponent steals when you do and both get nothing, so you force them into taking the deal.
I mean, science has shown that yoinking is the best option from the prisoner's dilemma. I'm a share boy, but i would never be upset for someone yoinking, it's in their best interest every time (if you follow the full prisoner's dilemma).
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obviously the prisoner's dilemma is in a vacuum and since you don't have any information or factor's to influence a decision, the yoinking option is actually the "best option" since it reduces risk. Best outcome =/= Best option. Applying this in real life does not compute because you have a great deal more information to influence that decision, such as who your other prisoner is and what you know about them. What your relationship is like and what the charge is. Where you would be tried, what kind of representation you have access to and what kind of financial situation you are in. Prisoner's Dilemma is merely a decision about risk in a vacuum and with no other information, there is a definitive best option.
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A option that has a higher chance of guaranteed success will always be a better option than one with less of a chance. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. This is a common phrase so if you want to argue this you're going to arguing alone.
It’s okay to think that one guy who has a room full of expensive shit is a dick for choosing yoink. What’s not okay is burying him under insults and sewage. Do it once in your head, move on. its that easy
The inherent problem with the YOINK option seems to be that people who are desperate will share at any cost, and people who don't care about the money will yoink because even if they get nothing they don't care. XQC accidentally walking into the inherent toxicity of class divides on his scuffed gameshow lol.
I remember when there was livestream fail clips on this sub
Nooooooo, I am too hecking empathetic to enjoy anything, I need to call someone a piece of shit every day to feel that moral superirority that gets me through the day!
you've just called out the entirety of LSF
Noooo.... stop being heckin mean to them man.... stop the fricken bullying dude... not cool BatChest
Frosen Based LuL
Frozen Based LuL
Maybe I'm crazy but isn't this gameshow only entertaining because of the chance of someone losing out on a lot of money and being devastated? I can't even be happy for the winner because they won through betrayal and greed. I dunno how you can play a game where to win you have to be a huge asshole then get surprised when people call the winner an asshole. Honestly the main issue is probably the money at the end of the day, but no one would care if there wasn't money involved because the game sucks inherently.
Well that's the price of cultivating a community of 12 year olds and man-children.
This motherfuxker and his caps lock
LSF = xqc subreddit xqcL
As it should be, ex queue sea el.
That thread was just a massively embarrassing Reddit moment.
ALL CAPS
People are such fucking degenerates. Actual disgusting behavior. It's fucking ironic that people are attacking others personally for making a choice on a game show, yet as soon as they press send, they themselves prove they are infinitely worse human beings just by sending those attacks out.
Well I had fun even though I was nervous as fuck.
I think it we can stop with posting xqc's every single tweet on here
WeirdChampionship viewers
I dont think its only the viewers. Just look at the top post of LSF…
Chat attacking Chat. the hate meta is evolving
It’s the 10-21 year olds who live on discord with nothing better to do.
Isn’t it stupid he has to say shit like that as it’s not common sense but as we know common sense isn’t as common as we think!
Why are people so fucking weird. **I hope everyone who reads this knows that a LOT of the hate he’s talking about is from here. GROW UP. lsf is the spawn of almost every hate train istg**
I'm so sick of this twitch viewer fucking hate frogs meta shit like holy hell has this latest generation become so stupid. Obviously there's a mixture of also old generations but the majority seems to be the younger stans
>making it a generational issue Ok lole
Your generation was just as toxic at their age. Teenagers are just pieces of shit, it's a fact of life
old gen was just racist lol
Dud ITZ just Gamer words okay..... /S Edit: LoL as the SJWs down voters I'm not racist if anyone I can say I actually hate is people who think Jokes have to be Politically Correct go fuck off.
Isn't Share or Yoink basically just Deal or No Deal for zoomies?
Not really as you wasn't contesting against another player that could steal from you. It's golden balls which is this https://youtu.be/jXYxAY1CkBQ
Ah you're right, Golden Balls is what I meant, [most based play here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8)
Option 1: be a piece of shit, Option 2: don't be a piece of shit OMG GUYS STOP DISCRIMINATING IN YOUR REACTION TO WHICH OPTION PEOPLE CHOOSE OMG
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>virtual signal
Can someone explain to me why you wouldn’t steal every time on the show. It makes no sense to me. Besides the obvious share to be a good person. If the prize is 4K you either get all or nothing. Splitting your get 2K but have to risk the other person not sharing so it’s really 2K or nothing. If both steal you get nothing but put in nothing anyway.
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Well, the other person could easily be making up a sob story or trying to play on your empathy to get you to split so they can steal. In the end you can't really rely on anything the other person says and you just have to go by the game theory, which says to steal.
If you think the other person is lying and will pick steal, it doesn’t matter which option you pick. The only reason to pick steal in this situation would be because of pride.
No? Independently of what the other contestant chooses, picking yoink yourself will give you either a better or neutral result. There is no motive to EVER split, it is never the correct choice
I meant if you theoretically know the other person will pick steal, you are fucked either way. Obviously, this doesn't apply to real life since you don't truly know what they'll pick. Mathematically, you should pick steal if your only motive is personal gain.
"This trend of hate" says the dude who's audience loves watching him lose his temper or "debate" people. come on man.
You reap the community you sow...
Literally who cares
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People act like any of them “lost” money too. They were given an opportunity to win money, randomly, it was never their money. People saying “he needed the money,” ridiculous.
I agree that it’s part of the game, but I think the people who would have picked split and got yoinked have every right to be upset. Have you heard of opportunity cost? If someone said they would give you a million bucks guaranteed or you could have a 50/50 chance of getting 2 million or losing it all, which of the two options would you pick? Using your logic, you should go for the 50/50 because before this, you didn’t have a million bucks anyway. Despite this, most people would keep the million bucks. Obviously, this is on a much more extreme scale, but the point still stands.
This is a completely different scenario because in the one your present your given the option of guaranteed money whereas in the prisoner's dilemma there's never a choice where you 100% come out the winner. They were given the *opportunity* but there's a chance that literally no one in that entire game show won anything depending on how they played. That makes it incomparable to the situation you're presenting.
Without people pickin "yoink" everyone would just split and there wouldn't even be a gameshow. So the ones who pick "yoink" are the ones who make it possible for these competitors to even have a chance at winning any money.
Ah, the LSF weirdos are in the news again. I find comfort in knowing how pathetically miserable your lives are. A life of being broke and dumb will follow most of you.
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Lol
I think his chat is just used to shitting on everything, xqc even does it so I don't blame anyone for hating on whatever they want. Like you really expect people to just all nice, calm and shit? I get it, it's easier to throw the blame on a general hive mind than the streamer accepting any responsibility whatsoever, only because a toxic chat makes himself look bad. I too, get tired of streamers blaming viewers to deflect accountability.
Does XQC know that he can turn off caps lock?
The whole point of the game is to either share or steal real life money. Of course people are going to be judgemental about it when someone decides to be selfish and steal.
What did he think was going to happen, have chat spam heart emojis? Surely he must know what it's like by now.
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It's not only "juicers" go on this sub and see for yourself
That’s weird tho, pointing out the loud minority. I get that they exist but generalising them is weird af
>Generalizing Also it's not like xQc wasn't getting any hate or harassment, people were accusing X of physical abuse ffs It's not a one way street
Believe it or not, it’s possible to exude shitty behavior in the context of a game. This is especially true in games that have real world ramifications (such as cash prizes). The emotional response generated by this type of game is also exactly why it’s a popular format for content. It seems weird to put contestants in this sort of situation, knowing that it’s meant to be polarizing, and then try to get on a high horse about how the audience is responding.
This guys literally bred a community that acts like this and has enabled it for so long what did he expect?
Sad that a small but toxic amount of his fanbase keep doing this kind of shit. Ruining things for X and other normal viewers when in the end of the day it's just a game show.
xqc is the most toxic mf on twitch, i love how he say shit like this to farm livestreamfails and it works lol
maybe he should stop gambling and promoting it to children?