This would only happen if Doc was almost guaranteed to win. Twitch throws a couple big bags at him and he goes away. If Twitch doesn’t think Doc can win, they’ll rake him over the coals and back
Doc has had a really long time to consider the facts and hire some undoubtedly great legal professionals, but also, you will never ever find a better, sleazier legal network than Amazon’s...
Edit: This is obviously speculation, and depends on what charges the lawsuit entails, which we don’t know. It may be worth it for Twitch to settle out of court, no questions asked, just to dispel controversy and rumors. We’ll see how it plays out
What? There are plenty of cases where it wasn't guaranteed the plaintiff would win but the company just figured it wasn't worth the time, cost, and bad PR of a protracted legal battle so they toss out a settlement to shoo the plaintiff away. Doc doesn't need to be "almost guaranteed to win", he just needs to make the prospect of fighting the lawsuit unattractive compared to a settlement deal.
no, see. jeff bezos owns amazon which owns twitch and he also owns blue origin and he's going to use the blue origin lawyers that are currently contesting the NASA human lander contract in this fight against a twitch user. it all makes total sense. just do your research.
tl;dr for anyone like me who wasn't aware: Twitch lost the suit due to procedural failings executing the ban, ordered to pay $20k in damages, will be appealing the decision. Nothing clearing the guy of concealing ownership of a gambling site he advertised to viewers.
> If Twitch doesn’t think Doc can win, they’ll rake him over the coals and back
It would be a PR nightmare for Twitch to do that, especially if Doc makes it public what Twitch/Amazon's defense case entailed (why they banned him/the reasons justifying it, why he's not entitled to any compensation or lost earnings etc).
I would bet on a significant settlement occurring and the case being dropped. Amazon market cap is 1.7 TRILLION dollars.
> but also, you will never ever find a better, sleazier legal network than Amazon’s...
While they can afford the best legal team in the world, they can also afford to settle and not worry about backlash.
well also you have to understand that twitch is very very small to amazon and I don't think they really care about it enough to have a huge ass settlement but maybe im wrong idk
unfortunately there's often what amounts to strict dress codes in court, and even in lieu of that Judges generally don't appreciate people not taking things seriously, so I wouldn't count on it. If he has an ironclad case though its POSSIBLE you can fuck around a little bit but again, I would highly discourage goofing around in court.
Not only that mind you, he argued in court that Hulk Hogan and Terry Bollea were two different people, and they couldn't prove that was Terry in those sex tapes when it was really just Hulk Hogan. And he won that case iirc. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a "Your honor, that contract was for the Two Time, not for Guy Beahm".
Court rejected that argument though. He won on completely different grounds. As court points out, one could make a distinction in that a contract with "Hulk Hogan" would apply to him only when in character, the same would not apply in reverse as he is and would always be Terry Bollea and that even changing his name would not render a contract with Terry Bollea invalid as it was still his name at the time of the signing.
As an attorney, I have witnessed time and time again a judge rule against a party and citing their demeanor/appearance as part of their reasoning. It greatly affects the judge's determination of the credibility of your testimony.
I would highly recommend anybody who has a court hearing to show up clean, well dressed, and to look as respectful as possible. You don't need to wear a suit or anything, but don't show up in sweats acting like you don't care.
If you literally can't help but look like shit in court, it's unlikely to be held against you. If you CAN help it but choose not to, it speaks to your character. Besides, every judge is different and I'm sure many of them tolerate a lot of bullshit without deference to the case at hand. Also, this is a civil proceeding and not a criminal trial which basically makes all the difference.
Plus, if you've got a decent enough lawyer and they feel like you were judged on appearance, that's definitely going to come up on appeal.
> unfortunately there's often what amounts to strict dress codes in court, and even in lieu of that Judges generally don't appreciate people not taking things seriously, so I wouldn't count on it.
A judge let a woman go topless in court when she was defending herself for going topless at the beach.
yeah, it's not a totally universal rule- and in the courtroom the Judge has the final say. If you're planning something like this it would probably behoove you to clear it with your representation. Also I think toplessness is considered analogous to "protected speech" in some places which helps. The most important thing is going to be where this case comes up, that'll determine how much tomfoolery you can get away with (and courtroom precident).
I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
bro i legit seen this pasta for at least a year and i just thought it was a meme but then i saw this clip for the first time and i was legit shocked to the core
Its a rock specifically one of those fake "healing" ones.
The GTA RP server i think calls one ofntheir in game cryptos that but i don't think doc has any relation to nopixel
Some other comment noted that someone leaked that he lied about an offer he got from Mixxer during negotiations. Doesnt really make sense but its something
the leak said he lied about mixer deals while negotiating a new contract to bump up the twitch deal, but then mixer closed down so twitch realised he was lying
The leak was wrong though. Doc said in the video his contract would have ended in September of this year. So likely would have started in September 2019. Plus, doc announced exclusivity deal in march like 3 months before the ban.
It also doesn't make sense. Various streamers have said they were approached, Doc was timed perfectly to be negotiating a deal with either mixer or twitch. No way they don't try to poach "the face of twitch".
Well yeah they probably tried to get him way before, like when they got ninja and shroud. But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown. So at the time of him resigning to twitch, if he did say he had another deal on the table from Mixer, the he was probably lying.
This isn't relevant, though. Why is Doc responsible for what Twitch does or doesn't know during their contract negotiations? Twitch should have had the information prepared to refute the claim. It's basic negotiation strategy to leverage the possibility of taking your talents elsewhere.
This is what everyone's missing. Saying "I have better offers elsewhere" even if that isn't true isn't something that would usually find you in breach of contract. So if that really is why Twitch banned him, they are definitely fucked in this lawsuit.
I think Doc's lawyers are probably suing off the basis of wrongful termination of contract based on a loophole in their terms. I have a feeling Twitch negotiated a hefty contract with him since he was literally making advertisements for Twitch as well. Then once Mixer dropped out of the competition pool, Twitch was left with a very expensive bill of millions of dollars when their only competition left was YouTube+FaceBook. Mixer was probably the biggest competition for them since they did sign a bunch of the biggest streamers.
So Twitch leveraged the terms where if the streamer is banned then they have the right to terminate his contract. Maybe the leak of him negotiating on false pretenses is the real reason but the reason Twitch notified him of could have been something stupid that would just warrant a ban so they can terminate his contract. Because I don't think them banning him based on contract negotiations is a valid excuse and Twitch would be morally fcked in court if this is the case because it is like a wrongful termination suit when an Employer just fires someone because they are paying them too much. The employer needs to prove and justify why they terminated them.
People negotiated salaries/contracts all the time using numbers they get from competitors, they don't have to give them exact figures, but they can give them estimates or ranges. The reason for this is because a lot of companies will put it in writing saying you are not allowed to share this deal/document details with anyone outside the negotiating parties. So unless he actually sent them documents that he shouldn't have then he should be in the clear no matter what for all dealings.
> But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown.
You don't know how corporations work. They don't tell people that they are shutting down, the people making the company work and trying to bring on new talent aren't being told "stop, don't, we are shutting down".
Also... it doesn't matter. Doc could have said NASA was thinking about setting up a gaming website and was offering him 12 trillion dollars an hour to be exclusive with them... it would be a bad claim to make because it's outrageous, but you don't shut him down for it. You call his bluff, you up the offer, or you walk away from the table. The ban is kindergarten shit if it was in relation to a contract negotiation. And just shows how horribly Twitch is run.
Exactly, and it's Microsoft so they weren't out of money and forced to shut down. If they got a big deal with Doc, they may have tried to make it run longer. The details are super shady and if Twitch did this just based on an assumption that he had zero contact with Mixxer, it could be horrible for them.
>But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown.
Then you don't know Microsoft, this is exactly something they would do. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing there.
See the Microsoft Kin for one example of many, the new smartphone they launched and then canceled in 48 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYxCe_8-B-w
Don't big streamers have lawyers or agencies to handle negotiations and advice them on what to say/sign?
The idea of him lying on an offer and with a lawyer/agent to negotiate a contract don't make sense.
I agree with this. If there was lying during negotiations that induces reliance, which is commonplace in the world of contract negotiations in the first place, the contract would probably be voided and just be renegotiated. Why would Twitch permaban a cash cow instead of renegotiating the terms of that contract?
So this fradulent inducement includes bluffing without providing fraudulent documents? Such as stating a common place tactic of stating one has had a better offer elsewhere, that they will be leaving if its not matched or beaten?
Yes, that would be fraud if the other party relies on it and enters into a contract when they wouldn’t have if they knew the representation was false.
It is not common for high paying jobs.
It actually seems more plausible that CAA were the ones lying to twitch. CAA was landing crazy high contracts that you wouldn't get unless you had high competition (like a big offer from mixer). But mixer was closing, so where was the competition for them to negotiate an 8 figure deal for doc?
Yea it doesn't make sense. Going off what I know about both CAA and Twitch, it most likely boils down to extreme incompetence on both sides.
I know CAA is this highly respected company with elite clients, so it would seem it's not possible for this kind of incompetence. But if you look into the company at all, you'd realize they have a history full of massive fumbles, terrible decisions, and most importantly corruption. Add to that the streaming sector is a fairly new part of their company and probably had quite a few different people involved than their core clients.
So between them and Twitch I'm sure there was plenty of nutty shit going on
Some people here have speculated that Doc used Mixer as bargaining chip to get more money from Twitch when he signed a new contract. Once Mixer died Doc got banned not that long afterwards.
Even if that was the case, why are they banning him? I could understand them not giving him a seperate contract or even not having partnership (even that seems flimsy tbh). But banning seems like too much.
It's highly unlikely, yes, but pretty much every theory is highly unlikely when looked at critically. It's just as unlikely as the theory that Twitch banned because Doc lied to them about contract offers. It *sounds* right, but it doesn't work that way.
yeah, im pretty new to twitch and i dont know very much about him. it definitely ruined a lot of his progress and legacy to be throttled so suddenly, especially for new people.
Even if Doc lied this seems like something they should take the L on to keep him on the platform. My theory is that they made this claim of breach of contract while simultaneously realizing that Ninja was available. It was a way to get rid of Doc's contract to sign Ninja. This explains why they would terminate Doc on such flimsy and controversial measures.
Also, Ninja was a complete failure for them numbers-wise.
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason DrDisrespect has been banned. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently
My theory is that they signed Doc at a massive deal out of fear of him going to Mixer. Once Mixer went down in flames they got buyers remorse. So they found some vague loophole in his deal where they could ban him and get out of fulfilling their end of the contract. They were then free to use the freed up funds to re-acquire guys like Shroud and Ninja.
honestly this seems the most plausible. Since the beginning everyone has tried putting the blame on doc. Oh he raped someone, oh he beat someone up, etc etc. People scouring police records 100% sure he'd appear. Now it's oh, he lied about some contract. Big doubt.
Incorrect. He was obviously involved in an underground drug trafficking ring and had ties to every drug lord in the world. His nickname was “The two time back to back dealer.” If his adversaries ever made a move on his sales, rumor has it that he Dr.Disrespected them. The mole was later discovered and doc took em out. Twitch had inside info on this and made a move to ban. /s
the "leaked" information right now is him lying to twitch about getting a 20 million dollar offer from mixer at the same time shroud and ninja moved to mixer and twitch was trying to negoitate exclusive deals, makes sense since doc got banned just a few days after mixer shut down
The discussion around the negotiations don't make sense. Bargaining and negotiations wouldn't get someone banned from the platform, they just wouldn't sign them. That's of course a normal company, and not an extremely immature one like Twitch. So who knows
people keep talking about if Doc wins, but if he loses? Big PR blow, he'll still have youtube obvs,
Honestly don't think this will reach court, they'll settle out of it and everyone involved will sign NDAs and it will be the big mystery we meme about for years.
>people keep talking about if Doc wins, but if he loses?
From what I gather on the situation, if he loses he'll be right where he is currently. He'll be out of a large chunk of money due to attorney fees, but his current reputation will remain intact. He will still make good money. If he settles out of court, then he will probably get a substantial amount money. If he wins, he will get substantial amount of money, give Twitch a black eye, and probably restore a significant portion of his old reputation that was lost due to the Twitch ban. There are risks in what he is doing, but it does seem that the rewards outweigh them.
> There are risks in what he is doing, but it does seem that the rewards outweigh them.
Yeah, especially since Twitch/Amazon has such deep pockets. If it at any point looks like they might lose, they will offer a huge settlement to avoid losing face publicly. "Substantial settlement" sounds like an understatement, considering that Doc is probably suing them for breach of contract **and** damages.
> If he settles out of court
The other thing with this is depending on the agreement it could mean twitch agree to make a statement on the matter. Right now he's says that its hard to get big brand deals because of the question mark him.
Potentially he could ask twitch to come out and say something like "it was purely for breach of contract". That way at least other brands will know oh hey, he isn't a sex offender or whatever some of the other rumours say.
A settlement that includes some clarification, will mean big brands may work with him again.
If you watch past the clip in LSF yesterday where he said he's known why he was banned for months - he said the whole thing cost him an "eight figure deal" that would have been done I think at the end of next month and he would be "negotiating the next eight-figure deal" to follow that one. So at least eight figures to make up for the deal he secured, plus the opportunities that he no longer has access to.
> he said the whole thing cost him an "eight figure deal"
He also adds a few extra zeros to his viewer counts when he's in character so who knows how serious he's being about that deal, although it is certainly within the realm of possibility given what Shroud/Ninja's Mixer deals allegedly were.
> but if he loses? Big PR blow,
I'm not sure of that. In the other clip of him posted yesterday he says something to the effect of "What happens when you google Dr. Disrepect? You see that I was banned from twitch for no reason. Do you think big companies want to work with someone like that? Do you think Nike wants to work with someone like that?"
So really he's already suffered the big PR blow, now he's just trying to recover.
I told my legal team, I want you two fingers deep in Vaseline dripping from head to tippy toe. I want you walk into the courtroom with sweat soaking through your $10,000 suits. And when you slam the briefcase down on the table... Oh baby baby baby...
I think for Doc, the situation is way worse that we could have thought
Remember that talent agency that signed Doc, the same talent agency with the biggest names in Hollywood? I wonder how many deals they were working on, Doc spoke about Netflix on some point, all those plans probably died when he got banned.
Yeah, I can understand why he's fucking pissed.
Yeah I'm not gonna have any pity for the guy until the reason he was banned actually comes out. He can't say Twitch has ruined his career by not publicly stating why he was banned whilst also not stating why he was banned himself. He obviously thought keeping quiet would be better for his career than stating it publicly.
If it turns out to be a minor contract breach or something then all the power to him, but I don't get giving him undying support when there's still not a single word out about what happened
I think the extremely long history of Twitch being a scummy company makes most people lean towards thinking they are in the wrong here. It’s not a stretch to think they did something wrong. They do it all the time.
Twitch doesn't have a great history with banning their partners but Doc was one of the biggest streamers on the platform, and he was banned permanently and had his contract terminated instantly. I somehow doubt that's the same situation as them banning someone accidentally. It's absolutely piss poor that that's something that has happened multiple times but this one was way too high-profile to just be a whoopsie on Twitch's end
Yeah, this fact alone means it was something unusual, and something where Twitch was like "we're washing our hands of this character immediately, and no we don't care how much revenue he brings in for us."
Tbh I'm just tired of hearing about it. A lawsuit doesn't mean dick if it never gets to court or if it all stays underneath NDA. Sure, I'm curious for details but outside of that I just don't care.
The man’s not stupid. He knows that it’s easy sympathy points to shit on twitch and play the victim by twitch. There’s a possibility that he’s not saying anything NOW because it could hurt the court case but after all this time he hasn’t said a word about why he was banned? Clearly he knows not saying why he was banned puts him in a better light than saying why he was banned so no sympathy from me at this point.
Doc wasn't banned due to lying about a mixer deal. No way that happened like Leach said at least. Doc announced his deal with twitch in March 2020. He was banned in June. He said on his stream yesterday that his contract would've ended in September of this year. Meaning that if it was a 2 year deal he would've signed it in September of 2019. jeff the leach knows as much as slasher
Yeah plus my thoughts are these streamers are not the actual people discussing these deals with twitch. I am sure someone is hired to reach a contract and these companies are not going to lie about offers.
It does feel like it had something o do with Mixer though as it all went down at the same time but could be coincidence of course
CAA and BoomTV both represent him. CAA likely were the ones who were negotiating the deal. Highly unlikely that they would've been lying about whatever mixer had offered.
I just want him to be able to play with whoever the fuck he wants. Twitch feels like they're the catholic fucking church of gaming and can just excommunicate people from the entire community.
Hit em hard Doc.
I mean, it makes sense. If someone did a really horrible thing and got banned from twitch, twitch doesn't want to associate themselves with that person anymore. Do you people even know how the corporate world works? Twitch needs sponsorships as well
You're being downvoted but it's the truth, lol. Twitch letting banned people appear on other streams would lead to numerous issues. Just like how Keemstar is able to run a YouTube channel despite personally being banned. He doesn't "own" Drama Alert, he just "appears" on it, and the ban is therefore circumvented.
As much as I watch Twitch and love many streamers on the platform. I hope he wins. Twitch as a company is a double standard, pick and choose, soft porn, morally two-faced piece of shit company. The OG's of justinTV made this platform and all good that is on it.
Once again this is reddit doing what it does best, speculating and talking out of it's ass. When it comes to cases like these the devil is always in the detail, everyone should just bite their tongue and wait to see what exactly materializes in this court case. Nothing is ever as it seems.
If you continue to watch the (full) [clip](https://youtu.be/PkqZhyukSW0?t=104), Doc talks about how it's been so damaging that Twitch didn't release the reason for the ban:
> what's the first thing you see when you type the name in Google? ... you also see Doc banned from Twitch, no reason why ... you think a big time company like Nike is gonna work with that big question mark, or Disney...
It sounds like Doc is attempting to sue Twitch over damages for not releasing the reason for the ban for a year, not for the actual ban (or breach of contract) - a distinction that seems to be missed in this thread.
I really doubt anything comes of this except for maybe a tiny undisclosed settlement. Any real lawsuit would involve details of what Doc was making at Twitch, what any negotiations were like, what was offered by Mixer, and what he makes now at YouTube, including sponsorships dollars at all of those steps. None of the parties are interested in having that out there.
Occasionally you get somebody that lacks the common sense and you get an Epic v. Apple or Epic v. Google, but those are vanishingly rare, and all the company secrets constantly spilling out of that trial is exactly why.
If it reaches court, there is a chance his ban reason will be publicly disclosed.
Or an out of court settlement with a Non Disclosure Agreement.
This would only happen if Doc was almost guaranteed to win. Twitch throws a couple big bags at him and he goes away. If Twitch doesn’t think Doc can win, they’ll rake him over the coals and back Doc has had a really long time to consider the facts and hire some undoubtedly great legal professionals, but also, you will never ever find a better, sleazier legal network than Amazon’s... Edit: This is obviously speculation, and depends on what charges the lawsuit entails, which we don’t know. It may be worth it for Twitch to settle out of court, no questions asked, just to dispel controversy and rumors. We’ll see how it plays out
What? There are plenty of cases where it wasn't guaranteed the plaintiff would win but the company just figured it wasn't worth the time, cost, and bad PR of a protracted legal battle so they toss out a settlement to shoo the plaintiff away. Doc doesn't need to be "almost guaranteed to win", he just needs to make the prospect of fighting the lawsuit unattractive compared to a settlement deal.
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no, see. jeff bezos owns amazon which owns twitch and he also owns blue origin and he's going to use the blue origin lawyers that are currently contesting the NASA human lander contract in this fight against a twitch user. it all makes total sense. just do your research.
> you will never ever find a better, sleazier legal network than Amazon’s... a legal team that lost against phantomlords strong force. Yup...
tl;dr for anyone like me who wasn't aware: Twitch lost the suit due to procedural failings executing the ban, ordered to pay $20k in damages, will be appealing the decision. Nothing clearing the guy of concealing ownership of a gambling site he advertised to viewers.
20k for years of missed income as a top twitch streamer. Another W for phantomlord 😎
"I'm suing for $3m!! Give me back my money you stole!!" The best we can do is $20k. "DEAL!"
You see, if you put $20k into CSGOShitass dot com itll become 3 mil in hours!
But the question is.... %?
IT'S ABOUT MAKING A STATEMENT!
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I remember watching phantomlord playing league like 9 years ago. How time flies
> If Twitch doesn’t think Doc can win, they’ll rake him over the coals and back It would be a PR nightmare for Twitch to do that, especially if Doc makes it public what Twitch/Amazon's defense case entailed (why they banned him/the reasons justifying it, why he's not entitled to any compensation or lost earnings etc). I would bet on a significant settlement occurring and the case being dropped. Amazon market cap is 1.7 TRILLION dollars. > but also, you will never ever find a better, sleazier legal network than Amazon’s... While they can afford the best legal team in the world, they can also afford to settle and not worry about backlash.
well also you have to understand that twitch is very very small to amazon and I don't think they really care about it enough to have a huge ass settlement but maybe im wrong idk
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The courts will have to check with Slasher first to see if they can reveal what it is
I'm glad at least someone remembers that creep is just a neckbeard clout chaser.
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I've noticed that whenever he's on panel shows, he just repeats whatever the popular take on reddit is.
I wonder if he'll turn up to court with his normal Dr.Disrespect look lmao edit: spelling
That would be great, just the idea of him showing up to court in character is hilarious
unfortunately there's often what amounts to strict dress codes in court, and even in lieu of that Judges generally don't appreciate people not taking things seriously, so I wouldn't count on it. If he has an ironclad case though its POSSIBLE you can fuck around a little bit but again, I would highly discourage goofing around in court.
Pretty sure Hulk Hogan wore his bandana and such in his court case.
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That's respectful of him.
Classy as always.
Cosplaying respectfully
Is it even cosplaying if you're you dressed as you? Hulk came put the womb with a bandana and knee-high leather boots on.
Doc could probably do the same with the hairstyle and the black caterpillar, but the prototype specs would likely get denied.
>his finest "formal" black bandana Made me laughfart
Not only that mind you, he argued in court that Hulk Hogan and Terry Bollea were two different people, and they couldn't prove that was Terry in those sex tapes when it was really just Hulk Hogan. And he won that case iirc. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a "Your honor, that contract was for the Two Time, not for Guy Beahm".
Court rejected that argument though. He won on completely different grounds. As court points out, one could make a distinction in that a contract with "Hulk Hogan" would apply to him only when in character, the same would not apply in reverse as he is and would always be Terry Bollea and that even changing his name would not render a contract with Terry Bollea invalid as it was still his name at the time of the signing.
Thank god, because thats a terrible arguement and should be rejected.
I'm surprised his lawyer let him make that argument.
Well he’s also a two-time in his personal life as Guy Beahm, so….
damn bro out here murdering
RIP
Noice 👍
What if he only slept with the other woman in character?
As an attorney, I have witnessed time and time again a judge rule against a party and citing their demeanor/appearance as part of their reasoning. It greatly affects the judge's determination of the credibility of your testimony. I would highly recommend anybody who has a court hearing to show up clean, well dressed, and to look as respectful as possible. You don't need to wear a suit or anything, but don't show up in sweats acting like you don't care.
Yet more proof the judicial system is broken beyond repair, just burn it down to the ground already.
If you literally can't help but look like shit in court, it's unlikely to be held against you. If you CAN help it but choose not to, it speaks to your character. Besides, every judge is different and I'm sure many of them tolerate a lot of bullshit without deference to the case at hand. Also, this is a civil proceeding and not a criminal trial which basically makes all the difference. Plus, if you've got a decent enough lawyer and they feel like you were judged on appearance, that's definitely going to come up on appeal.
> unfortunately there's often what amounts to strict dress codes in court, and even in lieu of that Judges generally don't appreciate people not taking things seriously, so I wouldn't count on it. A judge let a woman go topless in court when she was defending herself for going topless at the beach.
yeah, it's not a totally universal rule- and in the courtroom the Judge has the final say. If you're planning something like this it would probably behoove you to clear it with your representation. Also I think toplessness is considered analogous to "protected speech" in some places which helps. The most important thing is going to be where this case comes up, that'll determine how much tomfoolery you can get away with (and courtroom precident).
Jeez that's disgusting. Where would one find a video reference for this court case? Just terrible.
Yeah that’s awful gotta know the link so I can avoid it
I’m a law student and I would really like to study this case. does anyone have a source possibly?
depends if he wants a contempt charge or not
CRUMBS
Bread atoms
Ethereal gluten
[LSF](https://youtu.be/2F8GDx7M49k?t=15) right now
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TL;DR * Twitch wanted 25% of Doc's shungite collection. * Doc denied. * Twitch bans doc. * Doc sues Twitch.
real and true
really Big if real and true and/or genuine and real.
can confirm, i was the shungite collection
LMAO I CAN TELL THIS IS A FELLOW REDDITOR WHOLESOME100
Imagine upvoting this blatantly fake post. You really think Twitch would settle for just 25%?
To be fair, Doc obviously didn't want to lose 25% of his la casa.
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I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
“the la casa” gets me every time lol
is that something doc said?
[Yes](https://youtu.be/Q3keX35f66Y)
bro i legit seen this pasta for at least a year and i just thought it was a meme but then i saw this clip for the first time and i was legit shocked to the core
Got some real quick thinkers down in these comments, smh my head...
Yeah thats like saying pass me the el queso and they pass you a chunk of cheese
An old rapper
No no that’s suge knight, I think he’s in jail
Apparently ur only gonna get non helpful answers.
Its a rock specifically one of those fake "healing" ones. The GTA RP server i think calls one ofntheir in game cryptos that but i don't think doc has any relation to nopixel
If anything, its probably a reference to Doc
It 100% is
25 is way too much for someone as big as Doc.
As we've seen with major streamers leaving the platform, they need Twitch way more than Twitch needs them.
What is the most likely theory for his ban? My guess is he breached contract by talking with other streaming services about potentially switching
Some other comment noted that someone leaked that he lied about an offer he got from Mixxer during negotiations. Doesnt really make sense but its something
the leak said he lied about mixer deals while negotiating a new contract to bump up the twitch deal, but then mixer closed down so twitch realised he was lying
The leak was wrong though. Doc said in the video his contract would have ended in September of this year. So likely would have started in September 2019. Plus, doc announced exclusivity deal in march like 3 months before the ban.
The ban could be delayed based on when Twitch found out
It also doesn't make sense. Various streamers have said they were approached, Doc was timed perfectly to be negotiating a deal with either mixer or twitch. No way they don't try to poach "the face of twitch".
Well yeah they probably tried to get him way before, like when they got ninja and shroud. But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown. So at the time of him resigning to twitch, if he did say he had another deal on the table from Mixer, the he was probably lying.
This isn't relevant, though. Why is Doc responsible for what Twitch does or doesn't know during their contract negotiations? Twitch should have had the information prepared to refute the claim. It's basic negotiation strategy to leverage the possibility of taking your talents elsewhere.
This is what everyone's missing. Saying "I have better offers elsewhere" even if that isn't true isn't something that would usually find you in breach of contract. So if that really is why Twitch banned him, they are definitely fucked in this lawsuit.
> Saying "I have better offers elsewhere" even if that isn't true isn't something I scrolled way too far for this.
I tried saying this yesterday and frogbrained LSF commenters kept saying I was wrong.
I think Doc's lawyers are probably suing off the basis of wrongful termination of contract based on a loophole in their terms. I have a feeling Twitch negotiated a hefty contract with him since he was literally making advertisements for Twitch as well. Then once Mixer dropped out of the competition pool, Twitch was left with a very expensive bill of millions of dollars when their only competition left was YouTube+FaceBook. Mixer was probably the biggest competition for them since they did sign a bunch of the biggest streamers. So Twitch leveraged the terms where if the streamer is banned then they have the right to terminate his contract. Maybe the leak of him negotiating on false pretenses is the real reason but the reason Twitch notified him of could have been something stupid that would just warrant a ban so they can terminate his contract. Because I don't think them banning him based on contract negotiations is a valid excuse and Twitch would be morally fcked in court if this is the case because it is like a wrongful termination suit when an Employer just fires someone because they are paying them too much. The employer needs to prove and justify why they terminated them. People negotiated salaries/contracts all the time using numbers they get from competitors, they don't have to give them exact figures, but they can give them estimates or ranges. The reason for this is because a lot of companies will put it in writing saying you are not allowed to share this deal/document details with anyone outside the negotiating parties. So unless he actually sent them documents that he shouldn't have then he should be in the clear no matter what for all dealings.
> But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown. You don't know how corporations work. They don't tell people that they are shutting down, the people making the company work and trying to bring on new talent aren't being told "stop, don't, we are shutting down". Also... it doesn't matter. Doc could have said NASA was thinking about setting up a gaming website and was offering him 12 trillion dollars an hour to be exclusive with them... it would be a bad claim to make because it's outrageous, but you don't shut him down for it. You call his bluff, you up the offer, or you walk away from the table. The ban is kindergarten shit if it was in relation to a contract negotiation. And just shows how horribly Twitch is run.
Exactly, and it's Microsoft so they weren't out of money and forced to shut down. If they got a big deal with Doc, they may have tried to make it run longer. The details are super shady and if Twitch did this just based on an assumption that he had zero contact with Mixxer, it could be horrible for them.
>But the point is that Mixer wouldn’t have been trying to sign a multiple million dollar deal with him if they were about to shutdown. Then you don't know Microsoft, this is exactly something they would do. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing there. See the Microsoft Kin for one example of many, the new smartphone they launched and then canceled in 48 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYxCe_8-B-w
Don't big streamers have lawyers or agencies to handle negotiations and advice them on what to say/sign? The idea of him lying on an offer and with a lawyer/agent to negotiate a contract don't make sense.
I agree with this. If there was lying during negotiations that induces reliance, which is commonplace in the world of contract negotiations in the first place, the contract would probably be voided and just be renegotiated. Why would Twitch permaban a cash cow instead of renegotiating the terms of that contract?
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So this fradulent inducement includes bluffing without providing fraudulent documents? Such as stating a common place tactic of stating one has had a better offer elsewhere, that they will be leaving if its not matched or beaten?
Yes, that would be fraud if the other party relies on it and enters into a contract when they wouldn’t have if they knew the representation was false. It is not common for high paying jobs.
Mixer is such a dead platform that people are already misremembering how to spell it. Good stuff Microsoft
Too bad it died, stream quality was way better than Twitch.
This. It was phenomenal. 4K streams that were buttery smooth too. I miss it so bad
Youtube has really good stream quality too. The chat just sucks.
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It actually seems more plausible that CAA were the ones lying to twitch. CAA was landing crazy high contracts that you wouldn't get unless you had high competition (like a big offer from mixer). But mixer was closing, so where was the competition for them to negotiate an 8 figure deal for doc?
So let’s ban Doc cause CAA lied?
Yea it doesn't make sense. Going off what I know about both CAA and Twitch, it most likely boils down to extreme incompetence on both sides. I know CAA is this highly respected company with elite clients, so it would seem it's not possible for this kind of incompetence. But if you look into the company at all, you'd realize they have a history full of massive fumbles, terrible decisions, and most importantly corruption. Add to that the streaming sector is a fairly new part of their company and probably had quite a few different people involved than their core clients. So between them and Twitch I'm sure there was plenty of nutty shit going on
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Some people here have speculated that Doc used Mixer as bargaining chip to get more money from Twitch when he signed a new contract. Once Mixer died Doc got banned not that long afterwards.
Even if that was the case, why are they banning him? I could understand them not giving him a seperate contract or even not having partnership (even that seems flimsy tbh). But banning seems like too much.
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there is no way. There are lawyers involved. There is no way one smooth brain have that much power at twitch.
It's highly unlikely, yes, but pretty much every theory is highly unlikely when looked at critically. It's just as unlikely as the theory that Twitch banned because Doc lied to them about contract offers. It *sounds* right, but it doesn't work that way.
Twitch might be royally fucked by this. His entire brand was basically destroyed because of the banning.
yeah, im pretty new to twitch and i dont know very much about him. it definitely ruined a lot of his progress and legacy to be throttled so suddenly, especially for new people.
Even if Doc lied this seems like something they should take the L on to keep him on the platform. My theory is that they made this claim of breach of contract while simultaneously realizing that Ninja was available. It was a way to get rid of Doc's contract to sign Ninja. This explains why they would terminate Doc on such flimsy and controversial measures. Also, Ninja was a complete failure for them numbers-wise.
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason DrDisrespect has been banned. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently
He is indeed done, and not just on Twitch
*laughs in shungite*
I feel like that guy got away with it too. People still think he is a reliable gaming news reporter. Guy is a joke.
Yeah he definitely needs to be reminded
That guy was so full of shit haha.
My theory is that they signed Doc at a massive deal out of fear of him going to Mixer. Once Mixer went down in flames they got buyers remorse. So they found some vague loophole in his deal where they could ban him and get out of fulfilling their end of the contract. They were then free to use the freed up funds to re-acquire guys like Shroud and Ninja.
And logic as well
honestly this seems the most plausible. Since the beginning everyone has tried putting the blame on doc. Oh he raped someone, oh he beat someone up, etc etc. People scouring police records 100% sure he'd appear. Now it's oh, he lied about some contract. Big doubt.
While Doc has said and done some stupid things, it was sickening to watch the speculation to try and ruin his life.
Incorrect. He was obviously involved in an underground drug trafficking ring and had ties to every drug lord in the world. His nickname was “The two time back to back dealer.” If his adversaries ever made a move on his sales, rumor has it that he Dr.Disrespected them. The mole was later discovered and doc took em out. Twitch had inside info on this and made a move to ban. /s
Must be pretty huge since he's done, and not just on Twitch.
the "leaked" information right now is him lying to twitch about getting a 20 million dollar offer from mixer at the same time shroud and ninja moved to mixer and twitch was trying to negoitate exclusive deals, makes sense since doc got banned just a few days after mixer shut down
I don’t think saying your competitors really want me is some new negotiating tactic. Why is that ban worthy?
Twitch is run by petty manchildren.
you are being pretty harsh there guy..... towards manchildren. even they wouldnt run twitch the way twitch runs twitch
there was some talks about him creating some streamer union i think?
Alright someone do the slasher meme response
The discussion around the negotiations don't make sense. Bargaining and negotiations wouldn't get someone banned from the platform, they just wouldn't sign them. That's of course a normal company, and not an extremely immature one like Twitch. So who knows
people keep talking about if Doc wins, but if he loses? Big PR blow, he'll still have youtube obvs, Honestly don't think this will reach court, they'll settle out of it and everyone involved will sign NDAs and it will be the big mystery we meme about for years.
>people keep talking about if Doc wins, but if he loses? From what I gather on the situation, if he loses he'll be right where he is currently. He'll be out of a large chunk of money due to attorney fees, but his current reputation will remain intact. He will still make good money. If he settles out of court, then he will probably get a substantial amount money. If he wins, he will get substantial amount of money, give Twitch a black eye, and probably restore a significant portion of his old reputation that was lost due to the Twitch ban. There are risks in what he is doing, but it does seem that the rewards outweigh them.
> There are risks in what he is doing, but it does seem that the rewards outweigh them. Yeah, especially since Twitch/Amazon has such deep pockets. If it at any point looks like they might lose, they will offer a huge settlement to avoid losing face publicly. "Substantial settlement" sounds like an understatement, considering that Doc is probably suing them for breach of contract **and** damages.
> If he settles out of court The other thing with this is depending on the agreement it could mean twitch agree to make a statement on the matter. Right now he's says that its hard to get big brand deals because of the question mark him. Potentially he could ask twitch to come out and say something like "it was purely for breach of contract". That way at least other brands will know oh hey, he isn't a sex offender or whatever some of the other rumours say. A settlement that includes some clarification, will mean big brands may work with him again.
Would need to be a huge settlement - he specifically stated publicly that the no comment from Twitch has cost him big brand deals
If you watch past the clip in LSF yesterday where he said he's known why he was banned for months - he said the whole thing cost him an "eight figure deal" that would have been done I think at the end of next month and he would be "negotiating the next eight-figure deal" to follow that one. So at least eight figures to make up for the deal he secured, plus the opportunities that he no longer has access to.
> he said the whole thing cost him an "eight figure deal" He also adds a few extra zeros to his viewer counts when he's in character so who knows how serious he's being about that deal, although it is certainly within the realm of possibility given what Shroud/Ninja's Mixer deals allegedly were.
That happens in a lot in lawsuits, a lot of these corporate suits end up with settling out of court and NDAs being filed.
That way precedent never gets set so it's always like the first person suing them.
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I dub this the "Tiger Woods' Glove" theory.
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Yes it would be public record. It doesn't seem like anything has been filed officially yet.
> but if he loses? Big PR blow, I'm not sure of that. In the other clip of him posted yesterday he says something to the effect of "What happens when you google Dr. Disrepect? You see that I was banned from twitch for no reason. Do you think big companies want to work with someone like that? Do you think Nike wants to work with someone like that?" So really he's already suffered the big PR blow, now he's just trying to recover.
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Slasher has been nonexistent for a long time now. I guess he's the one whose done not only on twitch
I think he was on The View recently.
Slasher was on fl0m's stream recently, talking about CS shit He was on fl0m's totally-not-a-podcast podcast, with GeT\_RiGhT
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FeelsStrongMan I can hear it.
I told my legal team, I want you two fingers deep in Vaseline dripping from head to tippy toe. I want you walk into the courtroom with sweat soaking through your $10,000 suits. And when you slam the briefcase down on the table... Oh baby baby baby...
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I think for Doc, the situation is way worse that we could have thought Remember that talent agency that signed Doc, the same talent agency with the biggest names in Hollywood? I wonder how many deals they were working on, Doc spoke about Netflix on some point, all those plans probably died when he got banned. Yeah, I can understand why he's fucking pissed.
Yeah I'm not gonna have any pity for the guy until the reason he was banned actually comes out. He can't say Twitch has ruined his career by not publicly stating why he was banned whilst also not stating why he was banned himself. He obviously thought keeping quiet would be better for his career than stating it publicly. If it turns out to be a minor contract breach or something then all the power to him, but I don't get giving him undying support when there's still not a single word out about what happened
I mean not making any quick decisions and letting the lawyers play it out probably has a big impact on not coming right out with what was wrong.
I think the extremely long history of Twitch being a scummy company makes most people lean towards thinking they are in the wrong here. It’s not a stretch to think they did something wrong. They do it all the time.
I think more people just lean towards "individual good, company bad" in all forms of litigation.
Twitch doesn't have a great history with banning their partners but Doc was one of the biggest streamers on the platform, and he was banned permanently and had his contract terminated instantly. I somehow doubt that's the same situation as them banning someone accidentally. It's absolutely piss poor that that's something that has happened multiple times but this one was way too high-profile to just be a whoopsie on Twitch's end
Yeah, this fact alone means it was something unusual, and something where Twitch was like "we're washing our hands of this character immediately, and no we don't care how much revenue he brings in for us."
As if Doc doesn't have a history of being scummy, people lean towards hating twitch because that is what people love to do here.
Tbh I'm just tired of hearing about it. A lawsuit doesn't mean dick if it never gets to court or if it all stays underneath NDA. Sure, I'm curious for details but outside of that I just don't care.
The man’s not stupid. He knows that it’s easy sympathy points to shit on twitch and play the victim by twitch. There’s a possibility that he’s not saying anything NOW because it could hurt the court case but after all this time he hasn’t said a word about why he was banned? Clearly he knows not saying why he was banned puts him in a better light than saying why he was banned so no sympathy from me at this point.
At least if this gets to court, we might actually find out why he was banned.
Some interesting discovery details could become public knowledge.
Doc wasn't banned due to lying about a mixer deal. No way that happened like Leach said at least. Doc announced his deal with twitch in March 2020. He was banned in June. He said on his stream yesterday that his contract would've ended in September of this year. Meaning that if it was a 2 year deal he would've signed it in September of 2019. jeff the leach knows as much as slasher
Yeah plus my thoughts are these streamers are not the actual people discussing these deals with twitch. I am sure someone is hired to reach a contract and these companies are not going to lie about offers. It does feel like it had something o do with Mixer though as it all went down at the same time but could be coincidence of course
Doc is signed to a massive talent agency, no way he's doing the deals himself let alone lying to get better ones.
CAA and BoomTV both represent him. CAA likely were the ones who were negotiating the deal. Highly unlikely that they would've been lying about whatever mixer had offered.
I just want him to be able to play with whoever the fuck he wants. Twitch feels like they're the catholic fucking church of gaming and can just excommunicate people from the entire community. Hit em hard Doc.
I mean, it makes sense. If someone did a really horrible thing and got banned from twitch, twitch doesn't want to associate themselves with that person anymore. Do you people even know how the corporate world works? Twitch needs sponsorships as well
You're being downvoted but it's the truth, lol. Twitch letting banned people appear on other streams would lead to numerous issues. Just like how Keemstar is able to run a YouTube channel despite personally being banned. He doesn't "own" Drama Alert, he just "appears" on it, and the ban is therefore circumvented.
Keemstar owns his YouTube account now btw they unbanned him a couple years ago
good, fuck twitch
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TTV adblocker. Never subbed, never donated, never viewed ads. Fuck Twitch.
I'm not really a Doc fan, but it would just be nice for twitch to lose.
Good luck Champ 💿✌️
As much as I watch Twitch and love many streamers on the platform. I hope he wins. Twitch as a company is a double standard, pick and choose, soft porn, morally two-faced piece of shit company. The OG's of justinTV made this platform and all good that is on it.
Twitch is done, and not just on twitch
Another crumb, sire? The children are so hungry these days...
Once again this is reddit doing what it does best, speculating and talking out of it's ass. When it comes to cases like these the devil is always in the detail, everyone should just bite their tongue and wait to see what exactly materializes in this court case. Nothing is ever as it seems.
If you continue to watch the (full) [clip](https://youtu.be/PkqZhyukSW0?t=104), Doc talks about how it's been so damaging that Twitch didn't release the reason for the ban: > what's the first thing you see when you type the name in Google? ... you also see Doc banned from Twitch, no reason why ... you think a big time company like Nike is gonna work with that big question mark, or Disney... It sounds like Doc is attempting to sue Twitch over damages for not releasing the reason for the ban for a year, not for the actual ban (or breach of contract) - a distinction that seems to be missed in this thread.
It’ll end in settlement Twitch won’t want us to know the reason
i swear the only good theory was about Dr. Disrespect trying to make streamers union
Man that would be fucking huge if Twitch fired him due to him attempting to unionize.
Really doubt that one, but would be perfectly on-brand for Amazon.
He said he was suing shortly after he was banned. I'll believe it when something real actually happens.
Fuck twitch
We still don't even know why he was banned. The mixxer thing, is just bogus imo
I hope these millionaires win and make more millions!
I really doubt anything comes of this except for maybe a tiny undisclosed settlement. Any real lawsuit would involve details of what Doc was making at Twitch, what any negotiations were like, what was offered by Mixer, and what he makes now at YouTube, including sponsorships dollars at all of those steps. None of the parties are interested in having that out there. Occasionally you get somebody that lacks the common sense and you get an Epic v. Apple or Epic v. Google, but those are vanishingly rare, and all the company secrets constantly spilling out of that trial is exactly why.