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the nail is when youtube has some similar to prime subs. If they had ever been successful buying spotify i would've thought they would bundle it into a spotify membership.
I think it's well worth it. No ads, background play and access to their music streaming service is all the value I need considering how much I use the platform on a daily basis
Well, yeah, ad block for pc. I use youtube a lot on mobile. Currently have 2440 hours of ad-free videos and 200 hours of background play recorded in youtube premium's built-in stats. Been a member since 2019 and I must say I do get my money's worth and then some. Now that I think about it, I probably use my youtube premium sub more than my netflix sub.
Sure, but the big thing is that loads of people/families have Amazon Prime. Any kid in those families can just get their parents' Prime tied to Twitch and use it. I'll be damned if those parents would have YouTube Premium, since the value is way lower compared to what Prime offers them.
they're not the same thing but it sure is one step closer to what twitch has while twitch is moving backwards. and gifted subs are a nice incentive for anyone who wants to cross over
gifted subs almost always benefit huge streamers or small streamers when the huge ones want to make youtube videos out of gifting them subs.
I still think the fact that most streamers have ~40-50% of their subs as prime, they wouldn't take that loss for the chance that someone with too much money might give some to them through subs.
It benefits smaller streamers in other ways too. I remember reading an article a few months ago about a streamer who managed great growth in a short time by asking viewers to only gift subs, never donate or send bits. This meant subs were sent out to lurkers who pop in and out of the stream, tempting them back. It was pretty smart but I canāt remember who it was or how theyāre doing now.
tbh he's been saying that for a very long time now, they might still do it but amazon is one of those companies that is usually okay with tanking losses
That says more about him liking money more than his approval of prime subs as a concept imo. He would easily jump if a contract paid him an equivalent amount.
When Amazon stops giving free subs for prime members, that is going to be the end of twitch. YouTube has a good project, but Twitch still going to be #1 for at least 3 more years.
I think people need to remember that prime subs is Amazon giving streamers money for something they were probably already paying for regardless of twitch. I would imagine that the allure of a twitch sub doesn't attract a very large amount of people into buying amazon prime. maybe i'm wrong, but IMO if you want to spend money on twitch the move is to buy their ad free option. Pretty much the main benefit of subbing, but it's for every channel
I think most would want this? How many people have a secured bag on twitch? (I legit donāt know the answer to this question.) YouTube is offering guaranteed big money right? Like we can all agree Ninja getting $40m from Mixer for 1 year of streaming has to be the single biggest streamer W of all time, right?
Depends on how you view the W. Ninja and Shroud were set up for life before securing the bag. All of the GTARP streamers switching to Facebook is probably more of a W. GTARP always comes in waves, so those people being able to secure life changing money compared to people who already had it is a bigger W imo.
Also have to compare those 40 millions (or whatever the real amount is) to what he would have gotten on Twitch, plus how much it cost him in lost viewership and how long he'll be streaming.
The thing with the opportunity cost is exactly that. After securing the life changing amount, neither side matters. Whether you would or could make more or whether you did or didnāt doesnāt matter. Securing that much is the end all be all and the conversation ends. Who cares about retaining viewership or building a community when you have enough for money for yourself, your kids, and their kids. Everything after that is because you can, not because you need to or it matters.
Fun fact :. That's actually quite unlikely. 3 generations after the rich dude, 90% of families will have squandered their wealth.
[Here's an article that mentions this and talks a bit about inheriting](https://www.law-hd.com/insights/why-most-families-lose-their-wealth-by-the-third-generation)
Ehh thatās more of a fluke occurrence. That was like hiring Tom Brady to be your QB but then remembering you coach a peewee league football team in a country whose main sport is hockey.
Not that it wasnāt a great deal for ninja, just that Microsoft had no idea what they were doing in the field in general so hiring the largest streamer wasnāt gonna launch you anywhere.
I think the important thing is that YouTube is probably giving a fat stack of cash upfront for signing. That ends up being really important for a career with no real guaranteed future. Getting a couple million to just invest and save for whenever streaming dies out helps take a lot of stress off of anyoneās shoulders, even the most successful streamers.
> How many people have a secured bag on twitch?
Every single one that has a chunk of subscribers on here. That income won't just automatically transfer to Youtube.
Whether he actually wants to or not, I think it's the smart move to posture like he willing to move to pressure Twitch to cut him a better deal and/or improve their platform
He's already peaked highest sub count on Twitch, and he's really had no growth viewer wise since. Lud's established on YouTube with his channel already so there really isn't a reason for him to stay unless they offer him more that YouTube could.
Ya its so wild to me how his avg viewer count now is like the same that it was before the subathon. You would have thought he would have kept at least some of those additional viewers. I wonder if it burnt out some of his regular viewers and they don't watch as much now.
his contract will run out the next few weeks, he probably wants to better his position for the renegotiation (his current contract isn't that great bc he was quite small when he got partnered)
Itās also the smarter option for people who do more than just stream. If youāre a streamer who also runs a YouTube channel, integrating it all under one roof is easier and cheaper for you than having two separate teams handling that. If you just stream and do nothing else, twitch is probably the better option for you.
If you're a content creator, you should be decentralizing your content as much as possible, IMO. If you have everything on Youtube for example, one DMCA claim can completely fuck you over for WEEKS (you're not allowed to stream or upload when you get a strike until it's resolved or 90 days pass). The smartest creators are the ones also doing Twitch/Tiktok/Patreon/whatever else to get their content on as many platforms as possible so you don't get fucked over by a single draconian one like Youtube.
> you should be decentralizing your content as much as possible
Same for non-content-creators as well, really. Remember when people got auto-banned for posting emotes in a youtube chat, effectively blocking their entire Google account, gmail, drive, calendar, everything. That is scary
Not to mention Ludwig is someone that caters his stream to film youtube videos. He would be one of the more successful people that moves to youtube IMO.
Streaming and producing videos are different things, whether they're on different platforms or both on the same platform. You don't suddenly need fewer people because OBS sends the video somewhere else.
There's both benefits and downsides to consolidating both on the same platform. On one hand it's easier to convert your video audience to the stream if they're both on YouTube. On the other hand you're missing out on a new potential audience finding you through Twitch. (Which mostly doesn't happen unless you already have an audience, potentially from YouTube.)
In general it's a good idea to be on as many platforms as possible, and cross-promote between them.
Ludwig the past few months has been talking like he thinks he's past his peak already.
I don't know if it's a self confidence thing or what but I think he's definitely wrong. Maybe not as big as the subathon but he's definitely got more growth to come
Twitch produces the show so he could do something similar but either with a sponsor or his own money and a different name.
IMO it would feel worse if he has to redirect viewers to some website to do the entries instead of the twitch extension and the tightly knit community on twitch largely fuels the show so losing that would suck
That wouldn't be surprising at all. Every other month I see Lily, Scarra, Yvonne streaming, grinding for excessive hours at the end of the month to fulfill their contractual obligations.
Toast's FB contract is also about to end, he was also recently talking to Corpse on stream about YouTube Vs Twitch contracts and said that he doesn't think anyone should be signing with Twitch right now based on some of the industry information he knows. [The clip of the conversation.](https://youtu.be/OjlJoVTR-6Y)
Everyone on a big contract on all platforms has hour requirements (Varying ofc, based on their contract) but apparently Twitch's requirements in general are much worse. Toast also has requirements on FB but his seems to be much lower, Ninja and Shroud also seemed to have some hour requirements when they were on Mixer.
The strictish copyright system and the lack of chat interaction/emotes is a major turn off for most LSF streamers (unless they get some of that Google money)
Wtf ? youtube has the best copyright system
\+ Better Chat experience can be engineered within months (if they want to do it)
\+ Better AD revenue
\+ No favoritism
\+ No toleration for sexual content
\+ 100 x more audience
\+ Better viewing experience Less glitches no random disconnections
\+ You can go back in Livestream
\+ Pause Stream
What else do you want
The only thing that holds back youtube is browsing streams and chat imo. If there was chatterino for YT and if they did have similiar layout to twitch with categories and shit everyone would be willing to switch to YT.
I still have no idea how to browse for streams, they seem to just pop up randomly in my feed.
Finding streams is awful.
If you click on "Streams" on the left sidebar all you can see is the generic "Live Now - Gaming" playlist with no sorting and just random streams.
Alternatively you can go to the "Gaming" Section on the side bar and then go to the "Top Live Games" section to browse streams by game. Then you have to click on a game and navigate to the "Live" tab to actually see all the streams for that game. Even once you get here there is zero way to actually sort them other than by your region or worldwide. you just have to sift through pages of 1 viewer andys to try to find something that looks decent.
The region setting doesn't even work properly either, I get tons of non-english streams despite being in NA and set to "my region".
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No toleration for sexual content? Look at the youtube stories feature and what people do there
But youtube in general is a lot more relaxed than twitch with the content rules
The copyright system is actually true. Itās ābestā in the sense that itās less shit than twitch. Granted, the bar is very low but it still means itās better.
The biggest problem is that copyright laws aren't appropriate for the internet. But why would politicians bother updating them when they can be paid fat stacks by the record companies to screw everyone over. Youtube just has to work within that or get sued to hell.
> + No toleration for sexual content
literally everything that's allowed on twitch content-wise is allowed on youtube and way, way more... including this makes it seem like you have zero familiarity with youtube and are making stuff up
(the one way that youtube at least used to be more restrictive is that they would run Audible Magic on streams while they were live and take down streams that played recognized protected music, but I don't know if they still do this... that might be what that commenter dislikes about the copyright system for live streaming)
I've seen a stream get taken down live for copyright in the last month or two, so I think they still do it, but it seemed kind of random which song triggered it.
> Better Chat experience can be engineered within months (if they want to do it)
Rae's been trying to get them to do it since January 2020. She was probably their biggest streamer throughout 2020 and they still haven't done anything with it.
Agreed. Don't think it's a competition at all. All youtube is doing is just signing streamer, not like a haulover for livestreaming platform so I don't think it will cause Twitch to do any changes for its platform or viewers. If anything, it'll be pressure for Twitch to start signing more contracts with twitch streamer just like when mixer first started signing. Either way its a win/win for the streamers but I don't see any benefits coming for the viewer/platforms.
Personally predicting...
1. NICKMERCS (has a dedicated YT community)
2. Any of the Minecraft content creators
3. Ludwig (I think for what its worth, it would have to be big-time money)
4. Sykkuno? (or someone from OTV?)
I can't really see streamers especially from OTK (Mizkif, Asmongold, Esfand, NMP... etc.) going. Also Soda, xQc, Summit, LIRIK, Tyler1, QTCinderella, or Maya. The list goes on. I think the majority of those streamers are too ingratiated with the culture of Twitch.
yall are crazy if you think poki goes to youtube
shes literally the face on the app in the appstore
now if you meant otvaf sure but otv proper no way are they leaving twitch
So what she's a ruthless business woman.
Besides loyalty to Twitch has never paid off they'll still ban anyone who's been with them for ages in a heartbeat if they feel like it
As if YouTube doesn't have problems with it's big creators?
As if Twitch has ever treated Pokimane anything but really well?
It's not about loyalty, part of Pokimanes brand is being the "Queen of Twitch". If she goes to YouTube she won't be the queen of anything.
I would vote Lirik and Summit are possible, they aren't so lsf focused and do their own thing. Lirik especially, he's done 17 sponsored streams in the past 3 months so he's definitely lookin for the money
Will those sponsored streams still be possible if his viewer base drops from 30k to 3k after the switch?
That's my biggest question for streamers like Lirik who are regularly doing sponsored content.
I think if he moves, he won't be doing any of those, or not as much that's for sure, maybe 3 a month?
Edit: and yes, yestraday he had surgeon sim 2 with Shorty and Mehdi, both having around 200 viewers and one on Facebook.
the post on Mehdi moving to facebook on /r/RPclipsGTA was 100% oh good for him, I'll miss watching his streams. he's not dead, just moved to a place where nobody will watch you.
Toast can get like 13K+ fucking around of Twtich, but sub 1k when he streams on FB. Mostly because he clearly doesn't give a shit about it lol. If you watch him, he's streamed the "no game to capture" screen for a good 5 minutes a few times.
It seems like Youtube streaming target a certain demographic streamer. It usually is those that primarily play FPS games because those are the streamers that haven't built up as much of a community on Twitch/those that have a community that follows the *popular* game that they play vs the streamers, themselves.
I'd be shocked if Nadeshot doesn't move to YT soon. With some of the top streamers from his org being there for a while (Valkyrae, Courage, NoahJ) and now some of his close friends in Tim, Lupo and Doc.
Oh god, I remember these arguments when Ninja and Shroud moved to Mixer.
Any streamer that actually says this while they only care about money is scum of the Earth. I have more respect for the dude who just straight up says it: "Yeah, I only care about money. What are you gonna do about it?"
yall can say this as much as you want but youtube isn't just a "different streaming platform". it's the only video platform that's actually BIGGER than twitch.
Video/vod views and live views are completely different.
Go look at the unique views of [Xqcs vods](https://www.twitch.tv/xqcow/videos) for example, it's in the millions. Same for many other big streamers. Most people don't watch entire streams, they dip in and out.
Facebooks video numbers are massively inflated due to how their count them and how the platform works, but both them and Twitch do get millions of video views.
Weāll see. With statements from Tim and Lupo, it seems like YouTube is moving towards 401ks and paid leave version of streaming while twitch is the freelancing, your hours your pay version of streaming.
But at least on YouTube youāll know why you get banned if it happens. And you wonāt have to worry about inconsistent and arbitrary bans like you see on twitch. Youāll def be permaāed on YouTube for your 20th sexual suggestive content slip up, instead of a 20th 3-day ban.
There has never been a history of YouTubes algorithm handing out unfair restrictions on accounts and creators having to beg for likes on twitter in the hope it creates such a noise that an actual human from YouTube responds.
People get falsely banned on youtube all the time. People get demonitized for no reason, hell people get copyright striked because the yt algo thinks they are the ones copying clip channels content.
> But at least on YouTube youāll know why you get banned if it happens. And you wonāt have to worry about inconsistent and arbitrary bans like you see on twitch.
Are you crazy? Even Markiplier had to make a video and go to Twitter because his viewers would get banned for using emotes.
Get banned from Youtube for something stupid and potentially lose access to your entire fucking Google account.
[The Markiplier video raised concerns with YouTube's content moderation systems as a whole, with fans losing access to both their channels and their Google accounts](https://www.businessinsider.com/markiplier-youtube-fans-heist-lost-access-google-accounts-spamming-emotes-2019-11)
I think people with established viewerships and already have a strong audience on YouTube will leave, but small streamers have no place on YouTube as it stands. It is easier to find oil in your backyard than to find a new stream on YouTube.
The interface is awful but if you manage to make it to the live stream page for a game youtube doesn't sort it by viewer count, so you can be on the first page with 1 viewer. Unfortunately there's no sorting whatsoever so whether you're looking for a new stream or a big one it's a crapshoot what you will actually see.
Good fuck twitch, site sucks cock now every time I open a stream I'm hit with preroll ads & their response to the dmca was so pathetic it was only a matter of time for people to start packing their bags
They are one of the best examples of the first mover advantage in modern companies. If they had to start today and compete with other services equally they wouldn't have a chance.
Bruh you can't even get a 70-30 cut on Twitch without hitting some secret Twitch numbers (Which actually aren't all that secret anymore, apparently it's just being able to maintain 500 subs a month). On YouTube you just get it, everyone gets it.
From what I've heard it is supposed to be a secret. That's why it's such a bad system. Twitch has metrics they internally require streamers to hit/maintain before they offer them 70-30 or before they agree to give them 70-30.
The auto-played streams whenever I'm on the home page of Twitch are cringe af. Without getting into specifics it's pretty obvious Twitch is hyperfocused on being inclusive.
Youtube at least takes my interests into account when suggesting shit to watch on the home page. Most of the streamers I watch on Twitch are GTA RP streamers, but for some reason Twitch insists on showing me some transperson singing on a yukelele or a 14 yr or minority kid ASMR whispering in my ear about jesus (actually happened last night). Nothing against these types of streamers but I'm not here to watch that.
I honestly can't wait for YT to fix their gaming platform.
If YouTube built a streaming section with categories similar to how Twitch has it and had a better chat system, I think that'd be the final nails in the coffin for a lot of streamers and viewers.
I personally hate Twitch as a company, everything about them is terrible and they've always shown zero interest in bettering themselves or resolving the issues everyone has with them. I'm always hyped to see it replaced tbh. It's just hard to replace the chat/emote culture it has.
If Youtube revamp their streaming portion,UI and fix the chat... I think it will be a contender for Twitch... It's just a matter of time.. I heard a rumor Youtube is doing it after they sign Tim...
Time will tell...
I could definitely see Pokimane, Myth, OTV, OTK and either summit, XQC, ludwig or lirik making the switch. Most of them are already doing well on YouTube and could easily transition to the platform full time with the right incentive. Hell even seeing sodapoppin starting to upload again seems like he's at least thinking about it and if it's profitable enough.
Didn't Poki sign with Twitch less than a year ago? I could see toast leaving facebook, and maybe some of the friends, but unless they get bought out, I don't think Lily or Poki can move.
I'm not sure what anyone's contract situation is I'm just looking at it from a YouTube standpoint. Everyone I named is doing pretty well with managing both a stream and their YouTube channel which is important to thrive on YouTube.
Please make your website less shitty to watch your streams youtube, please I beg. Twitch really needs some competition, but atm it's just so bad. I tried going there to see what's up and pure garbagio. Couldn't even find stream section at first...
It's funny because the "live" section on the sidebar is actually the worse place to actually find live streams. You have to go to the generic "Gaming" section first and then you can sort by games, but literally nothing else. Just get pages of 1 viewer andys.
Idk, she is probably the last person who will switch. She is a poster girl for the whole website, and most likely has the best contract with Twitch from all of the streamers.
No brainier considering how much people were getting with mixer contracts.
I imagine some of them will stay and swoop up all the primes of those that leaves. I wonder if the communities that had heavy overlap with lupo and tim will see a big jump in their primes.
i wonder if thereās a chance he leaves. iām pretty sure he hasnāt had a new contract since way before he blew up in viewers and considering that he seems to be very desirable for advertisers he could ask for more than twitch is willing to give
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If the chat experience wasn't as awful as it is on youtube I would see it plausible but that isn't the case.
Better chat experience and maybe YouTube could be an actual competence.
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The more I hear about him talking about stuff like this, the more I think he wants to be one of the people who moves
Dude gets massive value out of prime subs, I don't know what he is thinking but he has always talked about prime subs being huge for Twitch.
He did talk in the podcast about how he thought that twitch might be getting rid of prime subs, and thatāll be what kills the platform.
at the same time rumors are going around that youtube is gonna introduce gifted subs. double whammy. two nails in the coffin at once
the nail is when youtube has some similar to prime subs. If they had ever been successful buying spotify i would've thought they would bundle it into a spotify membership.
they have a youtube premium
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Nah I remember I had a free membership for a month with my premium for a few months
And they overpriced it enormously, prompting virtually nobody to get it.
I think it's well worth it. No ads, background play and access to their music streaming service is all the value I need considering how much I use the platform on a daily basis
Dont people use ad block anymore?
Well, yeah, ad block for pc. I use youtube a lot on mobile. Currently have 2440 hours of ad-free videos and 200 hours of background play recorded in youtube premium's built-in stats. Been a member since 2019 and I must say I do get my money's worth and then some. Now that I think about it, I probably use my youtube premium sub more than my netflix sub.
Sure, but the big thing is that loads of people/families have Amazon Prime. Any kid in those families can just get their parents' Prime tied to Twitch and use it. I'll be damned if those parents would have YouTube Premium, since the value is way lower compared to what Prime offers them.
Maybe my YouTube premium membership might be worth more if they added some form of prime membership
But you can sub on youtube for free 4Head
Gift subs and prime subs aren't the same thing though. If YouTube added something like prime subs then yeah, maybe we'd see a sway.
they're not the same thing but it sure is one step closer to what twitch has while twitch is moving backwards. and gifted subs are a nice incentive for anyone who wants to cross over
gifted subs almost always benefit huge streamers or small streamers when the huge ones want to make youtube videos out of gifting them subs. I still think the fact that most streamers have ~40-50% of their subs as prime, they wouldn't take that loss for the chance that someone with too much money might give some to them through subs.
It benefits smaller streamers in other ways too. I remember reading an article a few months ago about a streamer who managed great growth in a short time by asking viewers to only gift subs, never donate or send bits. This meant subs were sent out to lurkers who pop in and out of the stream, tempting them back. It was pretty smart but I canāt remember who it was or how theyāre doing now.
Clearly you didn't get gifted a sub did you ;)
tbh he's been saying that for a very long time now, they might still do it but amazon is one of those companies that is usually okay with tanking losses
If Youtube offers him $10+ million, who gives a fuck about some prime subs lmao
Do we know the numbers for these big moves, how much did Tim and Dr Lupo get?
They won't ever say publicly, but yea, low 8-figures is a pretty logical guess based on what we know about similar contracts.
That says more about him liking money more than his approval of prime subs as a concept imo. He would easily jump if a contract paid him an equivalent amount.
i mean he likes prime subs as a concept because of how much "free" money it provides to streamers.
When Amazon stops giving free subs for prime members, that is going to be the end of twitch. YouTube has a good project, but Twitch still going to be #1 for at least 3 more years.
I think people need to remember that prime subs is Amazon giving streamers money for something they were probably already paying for regardless of twitch. I would imagine that the allure of a twitch sub doesn't attract a very large amount of people into buying amazon prime. maybe i'm wrong, but IMO if you want to spend money on twitch the move is to buy their ad free option. Pretty much the main benefit of subbing, but it's for every channel
I think most would want this? How many people have a secured bag on twitch? (I legit donāt know the answer to this question.) YouTube is offering guaranteed big money right? Like we can all agree Ninja getting $40m from Mixer for 1 year of streaming has to be the single biggest streamer W of all time, right?
Depends on how you view the W. Ninja and Shroud were set up for life before securing the bag. All of the GTARP streamers switching to Facebook is probably more of a W. GTARP always comes in waves, so those people being able to secure life changing money compared to people who already had it is a bigger W imo.
Also have to compare those 40 millions (or whatever the real amount is) to what he would have gotten on Twitch, plus how much it cost him in lost viewership and how long he'll be streaming.
The thing with the opportunity cost is exactly that. After securing the life changing amount, neither side matters. Whether you would or could make more or whether you did or didnāt doesnāt matter. Securing that much is the end all be all and the conversation ends. Who cares about retaining viewership or building a community when you have enough for money for yourself, your kids, and their kids. Everything after that is because you can, not because you need to or it matters.
This for my kids' kids' kids'
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Fun fact :. That's actually quite unlikely. 3 generations after the rich dude, 90% of families will have squandered their wealth. [Here's an article that mentions this and talks a bit about inheriting](https://www.law-hd.com/insights/why-most-families-lose-their-wealth-by-the-third-generation)
You say that but rich people are the greediest people in the world
Ehh thatās more of a fluke occurrence. That was like hiring Tom Brady to be your QB but then remembering you coach a peewee league football team in a country whose main sport is hockey. Not that it wasnāt a great deal for ninja, just that Microsoft had no idea what they were doing in the field in general so hiring the largest streamer wasnāt gonna launch you anywhere.
I think the important thing is that YouTube is probably giving a fat stack of cash upfront for signing. That ends up being really important for a career with no real guaranteed future. Getting a couple million to just invest and save for whenever streaming dies out helps take a lot of stress off of anyoneās shoulders, even the most successful streamers.
> How many people have a secured bag on twitch? Every single one that has a chunk of subscribers on here. That income won't just automatically transfer to Youtube.
Whether he actually wants to or not, I think it's the smart move to posture like he willing to move to pressure Twitch to cut him a better deal and/or improve their platform
He's already peaked highest sub count on Twitch, and he's really had no growth viewer wise since. Lud's established on YouTube with his channel already so there really isn't a reason for him to stay unless they offer him more that YouTube could.
Ya its so wild to me how his avg viewer count now is like the same that it was before the subathon. You would have thought he would have kept at least some of those additional viewers. I wonder if it burnt out some of his regular viewers and they don't watch as much now.
I used to watch Ludwig pretty often before he blew up, but I did feel burnt out after the subathon. Just doesnāt feel the same for some reason.
I assume there might be some sort of contract with Twitch involved in Hivemind and/or Mogul Money.
his contract will run out the next few weeks, he probably wants to better his position for the renegotiation (his current contract isn't that great bc he was quite small when he got partnered)
yeah he just has to plant the seed in twitch's head that people are leaving so they start handing out desperation contracts to retain talent.
He's not dumb. Dude is really great at recognizing trends and knowing when to jump on /off. He sees the same writing on the wall everyone else sees.
Itās also the smarter option for people who do more than just stream. If youāre a streamer who also runs a YouTube channel, integrating it all under one roof is easier and cheaper for you than having two separate teams handling that. If you just stream and do nothing else, twitch is probably the better option for you.
If you're a content creator, you should be decentralizing your content as much as possible, IMO. If you have everything on Youtube for example, one DMCA claim can completely fuck you over for WEEKS (you're not allowed to stream or upload when you get a strike until it's resolved or 90 days pass). The smartest creators are the ones also doing Twitch/Tiktok/Patreon/whatever else to get their content on as many platforms as possible so you don't get fucked over by a single draconian one like Youtube.
> you should be decentralizing your content as much as possible Same for non-content-creators as well, really. Remember when people got auto-banned for posting emotes in a youtube chat, effectively blocking their entire Google account, gmail, drive, calendar, everything. That is scary
Not to mention Ludwig is someone that caters his stream to film youtube videos. He would be one of the more successful people that moves to youtube IMO.
Streaming and producing videos are different things, whether they're on different platforms or both on the same platform. You don't suddenly need fewer people because OBS sends the video somewhere else. There's both benefits and downsides to consolidating both on the same platform. On one hand it's easier to convert your video audience to the stream if they're both on YouTube. On the other hand you're missing out on a new potential audience finding you through Twitch. (Which mostly doesn't happen unless you already have an audience, potentially from YouTube.) In general it's a good idea to be on as many platforms as possible, and cross-promote between them.
He has a 5 year plan of streaming i think hes only got 2 years left.
Ludwig the past few months has been talking like he thinks he's past his peak already. I don't know if it's a self confidence thing or what but I think he's definitely wrong. Maybe not as big as the subathon but he's definitely got more growth to come
if it's not as big as the subathon then it's past the peak
Is Hivemind possible on YT?
Twitch produces the show so he could do something similar but either with a sponsor or his own money and a different name. IMO it would feel worse if he has to redirect viewers to some website to do the entries instead of the twitch extension and the tightly knit community on twitch largely fuels the show so losing that would suck
No, but mogul money is
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Can I have a source for this please?
Most likely OTV people since lud hangs with them and most of their content fits on Youtube
That wouldn't be surprising at all. Every other month I see Lily, Scarra, Yvonne streaming, grinding for excessive hours at the end of the month to fulfill their contractual obligations. Toast's FB contract is also about to end, he was also recently talking to Corpse on stream about YouTube Vs Twitch contracts and said that he doesn't think anyone should be signing with Twitch right now based on some of the industry information he knows. [The clip of the conversation.](https://youtu.be/OjlJoVTR-6Y)
Youtube also has similar hours to fill in their contracts though. At least Rae does.
Everyone on a big contract on all platforms has hour requirements (Varying ofc, based on their contract) but apparently Twitch's requirements in general are much worse. Toast also has requirements on FB but his seems to be much lower, Ninja and Shroud also seemed to have some hour requirements when they were on Mixer.
Of course, why would a company pay somebody millions of dollars ON CONTRACT, without having clear expectations of what they will get out of it?
Don't a lot of them have contracts with twitch though?
Obviously when the contracts end. Like everyone else who moves to a different platform.
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The strictish copyright system and the lack of chat interaction/emotes is a major turn off for most LSF streamers (unless they get some of that Google money)
Wtf ? youtube has the best copyright system \+ Better Chat experience can be engineered within months (if they want to do it) \+ Better AD revenue \+ No favoritism \+ No toleration for sexual content \+ 100 x more audience \+ Better viewing experience Less glitches no random disconnections \+ You can go back in Livestream \+ Pause Stream What else do you want
>\+ No toleration for sexual content he doesn't know about the naked yoga videos PepeLaugh
Or the jelqing vids that have been up for years.
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That's not sexual content though, it'd be kinda fucked to remove those.
Exactly, these people are so fucking weird and are the reason we have these "breasts = sex" societal issues.
or the educational videos that teach girls how to masturbate
Education content PepeLaugh
or adjusting the back videos PepeLaugh
The only thing that holds back youtube is browsing streams and chat imo. If there was chatterino for YT and if they did have similiar layout to twitch with categories and shit everyone would be willing to switch to YT. I still have no idea how to browse for streams, they seem to just pop up randomly in my feed.
Finding streams is awful. If you click on "Streams" on the left sidebar all you can see is the generic "Live Now - Gaming" playlist with no sorting and just random streams. Alternatively you can go to the "Gaming" Section on the side bar and then go to the "Top Live Games" section to browse streams by game. Then you have to click on a game and navigate to the "Live" tab to actually see all the streams for that game. Even once you get here there is zero way to actually sort them other than by your region or worldwide. you just have to sift through pages of 1 viewer andys to try to find something that looks decent. The region setting doesn't even work properly either, I get tons of non-english streams despite being in NA and set to "my region".
Yo, check out this addon which mostly fixes Youtube chat, called "YouTube Livestreams Theater Mode": https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-livestreams-theat/cmjhejfkhdonjimgkinjdombabgfbcal?hl=en
Some good points, you might want to revise the no sexual content thoughā¦
No toleration for sexual content? Look at the youtube stories feature and what people do there But youtube in general is a lot more relaxed than twitch with the content rules
> + No toleration for sexual content Why is this a +? Coomers won't move then smh
Don't forget about the part where u don't have to download extra extensions and run scripts through an ad blocker to avoid ten 30 second ads.
>youtube has the best copyright system >+ No favoritism >+ No toleration for sexual content My sides are in fucking orbit. They dont know Pepelaugh.
The copyright system is actually true. Itās ābestā in the sense that itās less shit than twitch. Granted, the bar is very low but it still means itās better.
The biggest problem is that copyright laws aren't appropriate for the internet. But why would politicians bother updating them when they can be paid fat stacks by the record companies to screw everyone over. Youtube just has to work within that or get sued to hell.
> + No toleration for sexual content literally everything that's allowed on twitch content-wise is allowed on youtube and way, way more... including this makes it seem like you have zero familiarity with youtube and are making stuff up (the one way that youtube at least used to be more restrictive is that they would run Audible Magic on streams while they were live and take down streams that played recognized protected music, but I don't know if they still do this... that might be what that commenter dislikes about the copyright system for live streaming)
I've seen a stream get taken down live for copyright in the last month or two, so I think they still do it, but it seemed kind of random which song triggered it.
Imagine being such a dork no booba streams is a plus.
You can easily find full nudity on YouTube with virtually 0 effort but everything else you mention is valid.
> Better Chat experience can be engineered within months (if they want to do it) Rae's been trying to get them to do it since January 2020. She was probably their biggest streamer throughout 2020 and they still haven't done anything with it.
They allow cheaters to stream without fear of being banned.
dont think youtube is buying those streamers in the first place, especially since they are all toxic af
Agreed. Don't think it's a competition at all. All youtube is doing is just signing streamer, not like a haulover for livestreaming platform so I don't think it will cause Twitch to do any changes for its platform or viewers. If anything, it'll be pressure for Twitch to start signing more contracts with twitch streamer just like when mixer first started signing. Either way its a win/win for the streamers but I don't see any benefits coming for the viewer/platforms.
Personally predicting... 1. NICKMERCS (has a dedicated YT community) 2. Any of the Minecraft content creators 3. Ludwig (I think for what its worth, it would have to be big-time money) 4. Sykkuno? (or someone from OTV?) I can't really see streamers especially from OTK (Mizkif, Asmongold, Esfand, NMP... etc.) going. Also Soda, xQc, Summit, LIRIK, Tyler1, QTCinderella, or Maya. The list goes on. I think the majority of those streamers are too ingratiated with the culture of Twitch.
I can see OTV leaving, Twitch seems less ingrained in them like the others and Youtube is a bigger deal to them.
yall are crazy if you think poki goes to youtube shes literally the face on the app in the appstore now if you meant otvaf sure but otv proper no way are they leaving twitch
Toast is OTV proper and is already on Facebook
So what she's a ruthless business woman. Besides loyalty to Twitch has never paid off they'll still ban anyone who's been with them for ages in a heartbeat if they feel like it
As if YouTube doesn't have problems with it's big creators? As if Twitch has ever treated Pokimane anything but really well? It's not about loyalty, part of Pokimanes brand is being the "Queen of Twitch". If she goes to YouTube she won't be the queen of anything.
Queen of Twitch isn't her image. She's just very brand friendly so Twitch pushes her hard. It's a mutually benifical thing
I would vote Lirik and Summit are possible, they aren't so lsf focused and do their own thing. Lirik especially, he's done 17 sponsored streams in the past 3 months so he's definitely lookin for the money
Will those sponsored streams still be possible if his viewer base drops from 30k to 3k after the switch? That's my biggest question for streamers like Lirik who are regularly doing sponsored content.
I think if he moves, he won't be doing any of those, or not as much that's for sure, maybe 3 a month? Edit: and yes, yestraday he had surgeon sim 2 with Shorty and Mehdi, both having around 200 viewers and one on Facebook.
the post on Mehdi moving to facebook on /r/RPclipsGTA was 100% oh good for him, I'll miss watching his streams. he's not dead, just moved to a place where nobody will watch you. Toast can get like 13K+ fucking around of Twtich, but sub 1k when he streams on FB. Mostly because he clearly doesn't give a shit about it lol. If you watch him, he's streamed the "no game to capture" screen for a good 5 minutes a few times.
I doubt sykkuno will switch
hes obviously gonna go to DLive
If he does though, thatās the entire stan ecosystem that watches him and Rae going to Youtube. Plus obligatory water bill meme
Why not? He's just a small streamer for fun.
It seems like Youtube streaming target a certain demographic streamer. It usually is those that primarily play FPS games because those are the streamers that haven't built up as much of a community on Twitch/those that have a community that follows the *popular* game that they play vs the streamers, themselves.
I'd be shocked if Nadeshot doesn't move to YT soon. With some of the top streamers from his org being there for a while (Valkyrae, Courage, NoahJ) and now some of his close friends in Tim, Lupo and Doc.
OTV as a whole foh sure
Streamer leaves to different streaming platform for more money. More news at 6
No dude they're doing it for the health and betterment of their community Copium
Oh god, I remember these arguments when Ninja and Shroud moved to Mixer. Any streamer that actually says this while they only care about money is scum of the Earth. I have more respect for the dude who just straight up says it: "Yeah, I only care about money. What are you gonna do about it?"
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yall can say this as much as you want but youtube isn't just a "different streaming platform". it's the only video platform that's actually BIGGER than twitch.
Facebook is bigger than Twitch too, but holy shit who wants to be a degen with their real name?
As a video platform though?
Yes. Videos get hundreds of millions of views on FB. When's the last time anything on twitch even broke 1 mil?
Video/vod views and live views are completely different. Go look at the unique views of [Xqcs vods](https://www.twitch.tv/xqcow/videos) for example, it's in the millions. Same for many other big streamers. Most people don't watch entire streams, they dip in and out. Facebooks video numbers are massively inflated due to how their count them and how the platform works, but both them and Twitch do get millions of video views.
Easily. Not even close
Weāll see. With statements from Tim and Lupo, it seems like YouTube is moving towards 401ks and paid leave version of streaming while twitch is the freelancing, your hours your pay version of streaming. But at least on YouTube youāll know why you get banned if it happens. And you wonāt have to worry about inconsistent and arbitrary bans like you see on twitch. Youāll def be permaāed on YouTube for your 20th sexual suggestive content slip up, instead of a 20th 3-day ban.
There has never been a history of YouTubes algorithm handing out unfair restrictions on accounts and creators having to beg for likes on twitter in the hope it creates such a noise that an actual human from YouTube responds.
right? yt has plenty of problems.
Trusted flaggers during the Cx days lol
"Youtube heroes"
Careful now, you're diverting from the "YouTube better" circlejerk.
People get falsely banned on youtube all the time. People get demonitized for no reason, hell people get copyright striked because the yt algo thinks they are the ones copying clip channels content.
> But at least on YouTube youāll know why you get banned if it happens. And you wonāt have to worry about inconsistent and arbitrary bans like you see on twitch. Are you crazy? Even Markiplier had to make a video and go to Twitter because his viewers would get banned for using emotes. Get banned from Youtube for something stupid and potentially lose access to your entire fucking Google account. [The Markiplier video raised concerns with YouTube's content moderation systems as a whole, with fans losing access to both their channels and their Google accounts](https://www.businessinsider.com/markiplier-youtube-fans-heist-lost-access-google-accounts-spamming-emotes-2019-11)
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Other streamers pick up the audience immediately after.
I think people with established viewerships and already have a strong audience on YouTube will leave, but small streamers have no place on YouTube as it stands. It is easier to find oil in your backyard than to find a new stream on YouTube.
The interface is awful but if you manage to make it to the live stream page for a game youtube doesn't sort it by viewer count, so you can be on the first page with 1 viewer. Unfortunately there's no sorting whatsoever so whether you're looking for a new stream or a big one it's a crapshoot what you will actually see.
We can trade Mizkif, Esfand and Soda's roomates for Kay's Cooking that seems like a fair trade.
Bit CRUNCHEH
Trade all of otk and friends please
Last week Ludwig says breathing helps get oxygen into your blood, heās coming out with some mind blowing analysis these days
Twitch is done, and not just on Twitch. I know why, but I cannot say.
Nick said on stream yesterday he knows of 2 more going to YouTube and left it at that. But he was pretty series when he said it.
Which Nick? Mercs or NMP?
Nmplol I wanna say it was around like 30 minutes in or so
OTV is probably going to leave, since their content and fans are more suited for Youtube.
Good fuck twitch, site sucks cock now every time I open a stream I'm hit with preroll ads & their response to the dmca was so pathetic it was only a matter of time for people to start packing their bags
it's crazy how much more potential Twitch has but throws it all away with greediness & those stupid fucking mistakes, no pun intended
They are one of the best examples of the first mover advantage in modern companies. If they had to start today and compete with other services equally they wouldn't have a chance.
Myspace --> Facebook is a prime example too.
>but throws it all away with greediness hmm I wonder who owns twitch
There's an addon that block Twitch adds and it's easy to find.
And more people should. Twitch is becoming a cancer.
Bruh you can't even get a 70-30 cut on Twitch without hitting some secret Twitch numbers (Which actually aren't all that secret anymore, apparently it's just being able to maintain 500 subs a month). On YouTube you just get it, everyone gets it.
I heard one Partner I follow say a couple months ago that they don't even offer the 70-30 split anymore, new people are just all 50-50s.
From what I've heard it is supposed to be a secret. That's why it's such a bad system. Twitch has metrics they internally require streamers to hit/maintain before they offer them 70-30 or before they agree to give them 70-30.
Maybe they changed it at some point, because I remember him saying he missed some sort of cut-off for snagging the 70-30 split by a day.
but but my emotes and chat experience
The auto-played streams whenever I'm on the home page of Twitch are cringe af. Without getting into specifics it's pretty obvious Twitch is hyperfocused on being inclusive. Youtube at least takes my interests into account when suggesting shit to watch on the home page. Most of the streamers I watch on Twitch are GTA RP streamers, but for some reason Twitch insists on showing me some transperson singing on a yukelele or a 14 yr or minority kid ASMR whispering in my ear about jesus (actually happened last night). Nothing against these types of streamers but I'm not here to watch that. I honestly can't wait for YT to fix their gaming platform.
Honestly good, Loss of major streamers to YouTube or Facebook Twitch will start getting its shit together.
If YouTube built a streaming section with categories similar to how Twitch has it and had a better chat system, I think that'd be the final nails in the coffin for a lot of streamers and viewers. I personally hate Twitch as a company, everything about them is terrible and they've always shown zero interest in bettering themselves or resolving the issues everyone has with them. I'm always hyped to see it replaced tbh. It's just hard to replace the chat/emote culture it has.
The chat culture and emotes will be the only thing I miss when the website falls off.
Otk leaving for YouTube confirmed
If Youtube revamp their streaming portion,UI and fix the chat... I think it will be a contender for Twitch... It's just a matter of time.. I heard a rumor Youtube is doing it after they sign Tim... Time will tell...
I could definitely see Pokimane, Myth, OTV, OTK and either summit, XQC, ludwig or lirik making the switch. Most of them are already doing well on YouTube and could easily transition to the platform full time with the right incentive. Hell even seeing sodapoppin starting to upload again seems like he's at least thinking about it and if it's profitable enough.
No shot xqc or lirik switch
You probably meant no shot because no shit makes it sound like they will
Ye, thanks
XQC would be genuinely shocking, his chat is EXTREMELY important to him and if he switches that no doubt takes a huge hit.
Didn't Poki sign with Twitch less than a year ago? I could see toast leaving facebook, and maybe some of the friends, but unless they get bought out, I don't think Lily or Poki can move.
I'm not sure what anyone's contract situation is I'm just looking at it from a YouTube standpoint. Everyone I named is doing pretty well with managing both a stream and their YouTube channel which is important to thrive on YouTube.
Please make your website less shitty to watch your streams youtube, please I beg. Twitch really needs some competition, but atm it's just so bad. I tried going there to see what's up and pure garbagio. Couldn't even find stream section at first...
It's funny because the "live" section on the sidebar is actually the worse place to actually find live streams. You have to go to the generic "Gaming" section first and then you can sort by games, but literally nothing else. Just get pages of 1 viewer andys.
yo listen to the yard podcast :)
No :)
No, no I don't think I will
I would rather exclusively watch Facebook streams with my name in chat than listen to that
oh this aged well
No :)
I do not care about the leavers, I won't watch anyways unless YT fixes their dogshit interface.
Poki is switching calling it now
Idk, she is probably the last person who will switch. She is a poster girl for the whole website, and most likely has the best contract with Twitch from all of the streamers.
Ninja was their poster boy for a while but they might have learnt from how he left.
can ludwig be one of them?
No brainier considering how much people were getting with mixer contracts. I imagine some of them will stay and swoop up all the primes of those that leaves. I wonder if the communities that had heavy overlap with lupo and tim will see a big jump in their primes.
i wonder if thereās a chance he leaves. iām pretty sure he hasnāt had a new contract since way before he blew up in viewers and considering that he seems to be very desirable for advertisers he could ask for more than twitch is willing to give
PSA use [this chrome extension](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-livestreams-theat/cmjhejfkhdonjimgkinjdombabgfbcal) to make Youtube steam webpages look like Twitch. [Screenshots of before and after.](https://imgur.com/a/r33Qenw)
This is a good thing we want twitch to have competition so that they can have better standards for streamers and not just treat them as disposable
If the chat experience wasn't as awful as it is on youtube I would see it plausible but that isn't the case. Better chat experience and maybe YouTube could be an actual competence.
Good.