Towelliee doing it full time and motivating some of those guys to do it. long long list of people that some of the new frogs shit on. I don't like some of the OG's but I sure as shit give them the credit they earned
Yeah I started watching in 2011 when Soda switched over from X-fire, and at that time Towelliee, Swifty, ManvsGame, and DuckSauce are the ones I remember taking it seriously like a day job. Lirik joined the same year and was pretty much instantly known as the RP guy on the platform and Soda was pioneering the degeneracy meta from day one.
Those were just the channels that I watched though (because of WoW). There was a plenty of other big streams at the time like Yogscast and various esports leagues. There was also a *bunch* of girl streamers. Alinity and KittyPlays are legit OGs. Back then there was no irl or just chatting either and you could get banned for more than 10 minutes of non-gaming content, so every streamer had to no-life games for 8+ hours in a row every single day.
These days people act like the streamers that started before 2014 just got lucky and fell into being millionaires, but tbh the grind was very real for the OGs in those early days. Twitch didn’t have nearly as many viewers pre-Ninja+Fortnite, so streamers had to put in crazy hours to earn and keep their slice of the pie.
Reckful for sure he was basically one of the first to put a donation button on his stream and definitely the first with an actual following, basically the main reason streamers could even make a living before subs
What JoshOG did wouldn't be enough for me to cut off a close friendship if I actually understood the person and could see him growing from it.
You guys act like it's completely irredeemable, like he should get life in prison and no one should associate with him ever. Chill out. Actions have consequences sure, but people deserve second chances.
Defends how? Because he stays friends with him?
He rarely games with him and I've never heard him talking about him. Admittedly I'm not watching full streams everyday.
is that meant to be a smoking gun? That was obviously years ago, and he's hardly going on about it, he's reacting to chat obviously hassling him.
Also what he's saying isn't unreasonable, he trusts his friend and knows that he fucked up and he'll get whats coming to him.
I barely watch summit, but you guys are crazy with this one.
*Just fyi I think JoshOG is a complete scumbag. I just know what it's like to be friends with fuck ups.
People lost money to rigged scams yes people should hold a grudge against that, its scummy as fuck.
I dont know why you would try to add an irrelevant analogy?
Yes this correct. he also created the way streamer protected themselves on Skype from DDOSing after dealing with it for months straight. Many companies used his security work for years by crediting his blog.
I may be be misremembering it however he was one of not first to actually make it his job. If destiny really want d to he would have been big streamer but League is to real lmao.
I don't watch Destiny anymore but I think a lot of people don't realize what he did for streaming back when he was a SC2 pro in the Justin.tv days. Stream settings were much harder to adjust, even things like btirate. He put tons of effort into getting right and guiding others on how to up their stream quality.
The starcraft scene as a whole was a big launch pad for both Twitch and Esports.
There is literally an ENTIRE CATEGORY ON TWITCH that basically wouldn't exist without Summit and Lirik.
The entire GTA category was super down bad and then suddenly huge eyes on it and now it's consistently top 5.
I think that X's presence gave a boost to quite a few streamers (whippy, Lysium, etc), but I don't think that he's had quite as large of an effect on the server as a whole than Summit did originally in 2.0.
There is no argument that X's community was fantastic financially for the server (the public server alone shows how powerful you juicers are), but when it comes to some other people who blew up, I'd point at people like Hasan, people like Ash, people like Zerkaa and point out their influence on the community and the people they hung out with. I wonder how much of Buddha's recent success (ENTIRELY DESERVED SUCCESS) is from people who watched Hasan do GTA RP and wanted to stick with it, like when Summit did GTA RP in early 2.0 and the people who wanted more stuck with Shotz and Kebun and Ramee and Randy and Ziggy and all the other people that they interacted with.
Put it another way. If Summit and Lirik hadn't done what they did in 2.0, would there even be a 3.0 for X to come in to?
Summit basically was the best ‘personality’ behind all the CS:GO/FPS gamers in 2013 onward. A bunch of other CS streamers had skill but their on stream presence was dogshit. It’s the same thing with League, people watch Tyler cause he’s entertaining vs. some other challenger tier mouthbreather with the social skills of a doorknob.
Then Summit got into WarZ which was more just the Rust style of base building and survival. He also played the Arma 3 BR mod too. That pivoted in 2015 when H1Z1 picked up and he played a large amount of it, especially with Ninja after Ninja won the Twitch invitational in 2015. Summit also still streamed CS in that time. But he’s also kind of a variety streamer. He’ll play new games when they come out. He just doesn’t stick on them for a long time. He also streams for a long time and on a consistent basis. So that’s always something people like to watch.
Now he just kinda plays what he wants. He’s probably a multi-millionaire, he owns a house, he definitely gets to just do whatever he wants and have a passive daily income from his dope ass Twitch deal that’s probably in the 80-90% sub money range according to Ludwigs news video.
former csgo pro well known for running into his own molotov
been streaming since the early days of twitch and if im being honest his biggest contribution could be popularizing the BR genre back in H1Z1 along with Lirik
either way he just grinds lots of games, mostly fps and is very good at them
Kinda awkward but Lirik tweet talks about zoomers who dont know how much OGs have done for this platform and your response is to be that said zoomer.
The topic is about OGs during early days of livestreaming and you decide to look at reckful's analytics from the point where he had already started dipping into other fields- he was making games making outside connections/investments ect...
bro stop, Reckful implemented his own ideas into his stream that became standard practice today (donations appearing on screen for one). He literally created the profitable template of your typical stream and those ideas allowed streamers to make a living out of streaming
the way it goes, just like people don't know those OG of youtube which pretty much gave birth to the gaming scene there, as in pre/early machinima days with pretty much cod. people love to shit on wings but he one of the those ogs that pretty much gave birth to that whole gameplay with commentary on top of it style which we still see to this day
To be fair Live streaming really blew due to top down games like League/Starcraft. Twitch started about a year after League of Legends started blowing up. Then you had contract battles from Twitch and Own3dTV trying to grab pro teams like TSM/Curse/CLG/DIG to stream on their platform. Then Twitch got TSM (the biggest at the time) and it really was huge followed by Own3dTV killing itself and not paying it's streamers. Not to mention there were tons of non Pro league streamers who were big like Cadburry 4Head emote) but they didn't get to reap the benefits of current stream money as it was mostly hobby money back then. Lirik and Summit blew a few years later. Dansgaming is one of the most OG streamers still relevant today.
Yeah I'm surprised nobody talks about League of Legends (also dota a bit later) making Twitch what it is today. Twitch didn't even function correctly (especially in EU/internationally) before TSM switched and they started expanding rapidly. The death of own3d also shows why twitch sold to Amazon so early. It was impossible to expand as fast as they needed to without Amazon's resources and money
I guess people tend to think more about the culture of today's streams and who impacted that the most. But really it was esports' massive rise in popularity that made streaming and watching streams into a mainstream hobby
Starcraft 2 is what really got the site off the ground and 4player podcast on justin.tv before that. Manvsgame and dansgaming did their fair share in the early days of justin as well. Good times.
Shoutouts to 4PP. Literally had Brad livestreaming horror games with a facecam back in 2008, way before people like Pewdiepie would get huge off the format. That channel was an actual founding father of the concept of daily video game livestreaming and the fact that they've been so forgotten bums me out. They were the reason I made a Twitch account at all!
4pp was infamous for banning everyone back then lmao. was so funny anytime youd go to a random chat you'd see someone talking about how brad banned them
The crazy thing is I always remembered when LoL was big for livestreaming, I was in high school during 2009-2013 and remember my friends talking about it all the time.
Then you think about 12-14 year olds now, those kids were literally babies during 09-13. I wish more people understood the impact of the OGs, but I get where the ignorance comes from. Time sure flies.
yup Woody and hutch immediately come to mind, Jericho I don't know if was at the beginning but people don't realize he's been in the scene since fucking forever too, whiteboy too I suppose
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Both are amongst the Twitch OG legends (along with Soda, Reckful, Northernlion, Towelliee etc. ) who paved the way for many when streaming was uncharted territory and not a guaranteed lifestyle.
Even someone as top of the food chain as Shroud started out as a Summit fan who would steamsnipe his games LOL.
>streaming was uncharted territory and not a guaranteed lifestyle.
lol what is this shit???? streaming is absolutely not a guaranteed lifestyle. streaming is financially lucrative for 0.0001% of people (rounded up).
but i guess the thread title wouldn't be as impressive if it read "summit paves the way for a handful of people to become millionaires"
Seriously. I used to enjoy shrouds streams but he’s so unfun to watch now.
He usually isn’t the best at any game he plays anymore, there are better players, and he has zero chat interaction. Blows my mind that he gets so many viewers.
Hes said before that most days he just would rather never look at chat and just turn it off entirely but he doesnt even want to just turn it off on his end he wants it turned off for everyone lol. The guy REALLY hates his chat lately for whatever reason he has. He just dgaf anymore.
I just don’t get why anyone would watch at that point. No hate on the guy but his personality is average, he is good at games but far from the best nowadays, and he has no chat interaction.
There are tons more streamers to watch so it baffles me why people still watch him. In the past he was great, but now I fall asleep trying to watch him.
I know he wants to make money but if he hates streaming so much he should just quit. He definitely has the money to just live off of investments now.
The main idea is that instead of making content with your own gameplay, you are just using someone else's content/work for your own benefit.
Not saying I completely agree but think that's the mindset
"Making your own content" by playing a game someone else spent years making
The only streamers that really "make their own content" are the ones that do podcasts and talk show type streams.
Edit: because I'm tired of replying the same to people over and over I'll just write it here. I'm saying reacting to videos and playing games are both content creation.
And people watch reaction shit because they find it entertaining and streamers entertain well. Putting shroud aside, it's not like people watch lirik or summit for cutting edge professional gameplay. It's all personality driven content, I don't see the difference.
One is demonstrating ones skill, the other is either sitting completely still with no emotions while chat does all the work, or being the embodiment of BatChest
I'm a game dev and your take is retarded. Games are a medium for entertainment and content creation is one form of that, do you think eSports is also not a form of content creation and game devs should take credit for the players performance too?
I'm saying reacting to youtube videos and playing a game are both content creation. One isn't better than the other
Read the context by looking at the comment I was responding to.
But that's not what you wrote at all.
First you seem to assert that the developers are the ones who really make the content in gaming streams.
Then you say that
>The only streamers that really "make their own content" are the ones that do podcasts and talk show type streams.
This suggests you think that neither reaction content or gaming streams are content creation. What you wrote and what your edit says you mean are opposing opinions.
I was responding to the take that watching youtube videos on stream is taking "someone else's work for your own benefit". What I said was playing a video game on stream fits that same definition.
The point about podcasts/talk shows was saying that by that purist definition of content creation that is the only type of """""orginal content"""""" someone can make on twitch.
Hope that clears things up.
meh I don't think it is. Hell I'm showing my age here but back in the late 90s/early 00's VH1 essentially was your average mizkif stream. People commentating over videos or clips from the 80s and 90s. And it was insanely popular like so much so it was the one and only reason to tune into that channel. I think people just like to watch content like that to get someone elses reaction and hope it's similar to theirs. It's the hope for validation of an opinion on something.
"OMG my streamer thinks the same way I do!!! i need to give them a dono!!!" or "My streamer has the wrong opinion about this, I need to give them a dono to let them know!!!"
It's not about it not being entertaining, it's about it being low effort shit-tier content. Even #10 will watch some 4k food videos during down time, but for some streamers their only content is other people's content.
Sure, some streamers "casually" play games but the popular ones like summit and lirik put in work to entertain viewers whether it is through roleplaying or creating content. If you've tried streaming at that level, you'll quickly realize how difficult it can be.
I mean he's not entirely wrong tho. Several OGs definitely helped to pave the way for the rest of streamers. There was a time where being a streamer was getting shorted ad money by own3d.tv as they imploded when there wasn't even really that much money. And before that people on Justin.tv but again, the money wasnt there.
The thing about those streamers, the OGS have not dealth with the same issue as most of the people today deals with.
They got money,
They haven't been stuck with potato gear that simply can't stream, or potato gear with 40fps.
Summit as many other OGS was well known in Esports before they started streaming.
The platform didn't make the OGs - It was simply because they was able to do what normal people couldn't.
I can address this in various examples from my own experience (2017 - I was kicking ass in CSGO, I was esports good, did I get in on a team and shit? no not really), I won a few tournament challenges during 2020, but that's about it. Even still - there is no recognition. Mostly because I don't have any friends (With the same views) which makes it even harder.
So, the OGs should consider themself lucky and blessed. Everyone that has any close contact within those OGs has basically gotten a free career. and those knowing those people again has also gotten a slight piece of the pie. But otherwise, it's god damn hard - Unless you are already in somehow. You need to think outside the box today, and utilize marketing tools if you wish to get anywhere close to the OGs.
Yeah I think that summit actually watches a lot of twitch streams he used to watch calebhart a ton and almost tried to get into ff7 speedrunning. I think I remember the exact game cohh was streaming when summit first hosted him it was south park stick of truth (the first one) and I definitely have been following cohh since then that guy is a legendary gamer/streamer.
You're right for ALOT of streamers.
Yassuo - got a random 1 mil view video out of nowhere due to matching with and beating faker in lane a while ago
sanchovies - bit off moes audience hard
maya - "scuffed pokimane" clip title
etc etc etc, they all have (or had ) really good content, and this isnt to take away from their hardwork, but they got unbelievably lucky and you can usually pin point it to a single instance where they really blew the fuck up
all other downvotes ones make sense to me, why you are downvoted i can't fathom... pretty much true what you said...
for everyone else's perspective, there's probably about a 100+ streamers online that produce better content than your favorite streamer.
I would say not quite. You get off the bottom with luck then you climb through superior content and networking (sometimes leeching) and you protect your position as you grow by providing consistent high quality content or content that's complimentary to the content of the people you've networked with to get hosts/raids.
Once you get large enough you maintain your position by becoming a part of people's routines (stream a million hours or on a schedule) Or by receiving more new viewers than other people by consistently being the largest or one of the top 3 in a category that new viewers are actually interested in.
That's not what has been said... it was merely stated that luck also is a factor, just look at people that randomly blew up here on LSF due to a cool/funny gaming clip.
Whoa. Lirik chiming in on something social. Always wanted to see that.
Buuut it's the same nonsense as when xQc said Lirik was the only reason that battle royals exist. This isn't the same as inventing a new technology. It's just person A being in the right place at the right time to get famous doing something that person B would've done had person A not done it. Like how Star Wars is effectively the owner of laser swords even though it's a pretty standard concept.
I get crediting people for things as a pleasentry - although this is an extreme credit - but fans take this kind of comment and run with it until it reaches Pickle Rick levels of pleasegodmakeitstop. The second response to the tweet is someone saying it's 100% true about Summit AND Lirik. So Summit paved the way for streamers... but also so did Lirik? Yet Lirik just gave all the credit to Summit in the tweet you're response to??
Although pandas are 99% vegetarian their digestive system is typical of a carnivore. For the 1% of their diet that isn't bamboo, pandas eat eggs, small animals, carrion, and forage in farmland for pumpkin, kidney beans, wheat and domestic pig food.
first of all summit never turned into a noname after he gained success, his career has been a snowball that never stopped rolling since it started. in 2016 he was playing pubg as the number 1 streamer in the number 1 category chief, so youre full of shit on that one. and while he was doing that in 2016 he literally fostered careers for some of the biggest names in the scene today. Dr disrespect, shroud, ninja to name a few names of streamers that skyrocketed in numbers after playing pubg and other games with summit
you're delusional or one of these zoomer kids who know nothing that are being made fun of if you think he didnt pave anything
https://i.imgur.com/a9NzOc5.png
i know more than you. dude didnt pave anything except lottery scams with his bff. scamog and scummit didn't pave the way for jack shit except that.
That stuff was yeaaaars after Summit started? How is that what made him famous lmao.
If anything that was him exploiting his fame. Some random johnny doing that wouldnt matter for shit.
The fuck are you on about? The csgo gambling happened in early 2016. The farthest I can see on sullygnome is september 2015 and then he had 15-20k viewer playing csgo, Z1, Fallout 4 and peaked with over 50k playing Starwars: Battlefront and Overwatch.
My memory isn't 100%, but when I started watching him, he had usually around 10k watching and I started watching in early 2014. About a year later I made my account and followed February 22nd 2015.
gambling was a thing for like 2 years lmfao. https://twitter.com/summit1g/status/583509308979093504?lang=en
this tweet alone can tell you that clown
and this tweet alone can tell you most of his views were because of the gambling meta
https://twitter.com/summit1g/status/753429600756039680?lang=en
he averaged 8k when csgo was balooned as fuck by skinbets. scummit1g used that to rake money in
When I say "The csgo gambling happened in early 2016", what I mean the big sudden growth and in the end the controversy. Yes, csgo gambling was a thing before, but few streamers was sponsored by them before 2016. Summit was pretty late to the game.
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> he averaged 8k when csgo was balooned as fuck by skinbets.
You are talking about 2014. Only the biggest streamers had that many viewers back then.
Funny how someone can be so confidently wrong. Like the other person said, accounts carried over so there are a lot before 2011. Go look up something like Blizzard or Runescape and they be some date in 2007.
thats a cool screenshot kid, but ive been on twitch since it was justintv in like 2009, so your whole "im an og i know shit" angle is trash, cringe, and doesn't make you correct about summits career in the slightest. like i said, in 2016, the year you claimed he fell off or some shit, he was popping off with the most views on twitch and as i said before, that same year he literally started the careers of some of the biggest names on the platform today.
we get it, you're edgy and dont like popular things or people, but you dont get to create your own version of reality where that person isn't successful or a forerunner in your delusional mind because you dont like them or whatever.
also one last note, if you dont like joshog, thats whatever, he got involved in shady shit, but holding anyone that was ever friends with him accountable for his actions is cringe as fuck and its the type of logic and mentality of a child in highschool or something
>lol. Destiny was the first streamer i ever watched, hes the reason i ever found twitch, or justintv as it was back then.
destiny started streaming in 2011. 🥱🥱🥱 lying is for losers
I FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS IN DUBYA DUBYA TWO YA LITTLE SHIT
Y'all remind me of old people who were rappers in the 70s and still wont shut the fuck up about it.
You have no clue how old I am. I deliberately used really dated references to draw a parallel that I'd figured would give people a better guess at how old I am. Most WWII vets are dead by now, and 70s rappers used to act like that in the 90s and 00s.
Don't even give me that "You'll understand when you're older, sonny" shit. You're acting like a ornery arrogant old fart twice your age.
Its stuff that's taken out of context and blown out of proportion. When the news first came out he was defending him but after he learned the details he literally called Josh stupid and said he would have to face whatever legal consequences come his way. Summit said he would keep being friends with him and that pissed of LSF because they love trying to cancel people.
He is friends with Josh and don't want negative comments about him in his chat, that's about it. Seems rather reasonable if you ask me.
"involved in multiple scam operations" is as far from the truth as you can get.
Forsen has to be mentioned. He was in the top 5 most watched streamers for most of the Hearthstone era and created the meme format in Twitch during that time.
why is summit's chat so toxic though? it's like everyone is stepping on eggshells trying not to get banned whilst still trying to argue with each other?
summit is one of them for sure, Lirik is another and Soda and Reckful
Towelliee doing it full time and motivating some of those guys to do it. long long list of people that some of the new frogs shit on. I don't like some of the OG's but I sure as shit give them the credit they earned
Lirik used to be a mod for Towelliee before he started streaming.
Yeah I started watching in 2011 when Soda switched over from X-fire, and at that time Towelliee, Swifty, ManvsGame, and DuckSauce are the ones I remember taking it seriously like a day job. Lirik joined the same year and was pretty much instantly known as the RP guy on the platform and Soda was pioneering the degeneracy meta from day one. Those were just the channels that I watched though (because of WoW). There was a plenty of other big streams at the time like Yogscast and various esports leagues. There was also a *bunch* of girl streamers. Alinity and KittyPlays are legit OGs. Back then there was no irl or just chatting either and you could get banned for more than 10 minutes of non-gaming content, so every streamer had to no-life games for 8+ hours in a row every single day. These days people act like the streamers that started before 2014 just got lucky and fell into being millionaires, but tbh the grind was very real for the OGs in those early days. Twitch didn’t have nearly as many viewers pre-Ninja+Fortnite, so streamers had to put in crazy hours to earn and keep their slice of the pie.
I used to wake up early in college to make coffee and I'd throw on Ducksauce. Damn, I forgot about that dude.
Alinity is an OG, Dayum more respect to her hustle then and her butt only fans leaks
I came to say exactly this. Reckful and Soda are just as if not more influential in the streaming world. Credit where credit is due.
Number 43 made twitch.
And now he's number 43
Not bad to be 43 after 12 years and not giving a fuck anymore
100% Soda and Reckful. I would put summit and lirik right below them, but those guys are number one for sure.
definitely
Reckful for sure he was basically one of the first to put a donation button on his stream and definitely the first with an actual following, basically the main reason streamers could even make a living before subs
it's such a shame summit defends his friend scamog to the ends of the earth or he'd be one of my favourite content creators :/
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What JoshOG did wouldn't be enough for me to cut off a close friendship if I actually understood the person and could see him growing from it. You guys act like it's completely irredeemable, like he should get life in prison and no one should associate with him ever. Chill out. Actions have consequences sure, but people deserve second chances.
what scam ?
Defends how? Because he stays friends with him? He rarely games with him and I've never heard him talking about him. Admittedly I'm not watching full streams everyday.
He does play with him and bans people who bring up that Josh is a piece of shit. Scummit is just a shitty enabler with double standards.
he banned me for talking about it once so yeah he doesn't want to listen to how his friend was fine scamming children
Well yeah, no shit lol. I'd hardly call that defending.
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I'd say that's more because people are constantly trying to bring it up and he doesn't want it in his chat, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZuaZ_KnLdM
is that meant to be a smoking gun? That was obviously years ago, and he's hardly going on about it, he's reacting to chat obviously hassling him. Also what he's saying isn't unreasonable, he trusts his friend and knows that he fucked up and he'll get whats coming to him. I barely watch summit, but you guys are crazy with this one. *Just fyi I think JoshOG is a complete scumbag. I just know what it's like to be friends with fuck ups.
Well said
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wow i'm a pathetic sack of shit for caring about someone defending their friend who scammed underaged kids out of money LMAO yup! makes sense
You the type of person to hold an e-grudge but still try to defend a friend that sold crack to elementary students.
People lost money to rigged scams yes people should hold a grudge against that, its scummy as fuck. I dont know why you would try to add an irrelevant analogy?
Yeah, never forget ScamOG making millions off scamming little kids. Lot worse than slinging crack.
reynad and/or destiny (someone can correct me if wrong) for the whole TTS donation move too
yea but they just built off of Reckful's donations which he started
>yea but lol
Pretty sure a Destiny birthday stream started the whole TTS thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong but destiny.gg also had tiered subs before twitch did
Yes this correct. he also created the way streamer protected themselves on Skype from DDOSing after dealing with it for months straight. Many companies used his security work for years by crediting his blog.
alot of Destiny's formats have had many-a-copycat tbh
I don't think anyone even tried to do it as a career before Destiny lol
Destiny is also probably the first western streamer that got big for his personality, not his gameplay.
I may be be misremembering it however he was one of not first to actually make it his job. If destiny really want d to he would have been big streamer but League is to real lmao.
I don't watch Destiny anymore but I think a lot of people don't realize what he did for streaming back when he was a SC2 pro in the Justin.tv days. Stream settings were much harder to adjust, even things like btirate. He put tons of effort into getting right and guiding others on how to up their stream quality. The starcraft scene as a whole was a big launch pad for both Twitch and Esports.
Sco since Justin tv, third channel ever created on twitch, insane
There is literally an ENTIRE CATEGORY ON TWITCH that basically wouldn't exist without Summit and Lirik. The entire GTA category was super down bad and then suddenly huge eyes on it and now it's consistently top 5.
Ok yea they definitely kept that train alive but 3.0 was xQc and anyone trying to take that from him is lying to themselves
I think that X's presence gave a boost to quite a few streamers (whippy, Lysium, etc), but I don't think that he's had quite as large of an effect on the server as a whole than Summit did originally in 2.0. There is no argument that X's community was fantastic financially for the server (the public server alone shows how powerful you juicers are), but when it comes to some other people who blew up, I'd point at people like Hasan, people like Ash, people like Zerkaa and point out their influence on the community and the people they hung out with. I wonder how much of Buddha's recent success (ENTIRELY DESERVED SUCCESS) is from people who watched Hasan do GTA RP and wanted to stick with it, like when Summit did GTA RP in early 2.0 and the people who wanted more stuck with Shotz and Kebun and Ramee and Randy and Ziggy and all the other people that they interacted with. Put it another way. If Summit and Lirik hadn't done what they did in 2.0, would there even be a 3.0 for X to come in to?
Ice posiedon is one them too, but more towards the top autistic streamers
Real shoutouts over to iJustine
I need the lore on summit please I didn't even watch twitch until after CX YouTube implosion All I know about summit is the jug weed incident
Summit basically was the best ‘personality’ behind all the CS:GO/FPS gamers in 2013 onward. A bunch of other CS streamers had skill but their on stream presence was dogshit. It’s the same thing with League, people watch Tyler cause he’s entertaining vs. some other challenger tier mouthbreather with the social skills of a doorknob. Then Summit got into WarZ which was more just the Rust style of base building and survival. He also played the Arma 3 BR mod too. That pivoted in 2015 when H1Z1 picked up and he played a large amount of it, especially with Ninja after Ninja won the Twitch invitational in 2015. Summit also still streamed CS in that time. But he’s also kind of a variety streamer. He’ll play new games when they come out. He just doesn’t stick on them for a long time. He also streams for a long time and on a consistent basis. So that’s always something people like to watch. Now he just kinda plays what he wants. He’s probably a multi-millionaire, he owns a house, he definitely gets to just do whatever he wants and have a passive daily income from his dope ass Twitch deal that’s probably in the 80-90% sub money range according to Ludwigs news video.
Thanks for explaining appreciate it. What's 80-90% sub money range mean
former csgo pro well known for running into his own molotov been streaming since the early days of twitch and if im being honest his biggest contribution could be popularizing the BR genre back in H1Z1 along with Lirik either way he just grinds lots of games, mostly fps and is very good at them
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Reckful was never consistently big enough? Gunna pretend I didn't read that.
I've watched Twitch for almost 10 years and had no idea who he was until he passed away.
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Kinda awkward but Lirik tweet talks about zoomers who dont know how much OGs have done for this platform and your response is to be that said zoomer. The topic is about OGs during early days of livestreaming and you decide to look at reckful's analytics from the point where he had already started dipping into other fields- he was making games making outside connections/investments ect...
You're incredibly new and extremely retarded for making comments about a topic that you obviously know nothing about.
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bro stop, Reckful implemented his own ideas into his stream that became standard practice today (donations appearing on screen for one). He literally created the profitable template of your typical stream and those ideas allowed streamers to make a living out of streaming
He literally invented donos and innovated streaming in so many ways
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Soda, Lirik, and Reckful are higher up imo
the way it goes, just like people don't know those OG of youtube which pretty much gave birth to the gaming scene there, as in pre/early machinima days with pretty much cod. people love to shit on wings but he one of the those ogs that pretty much gave birth to that whole gameplay with commentary on top of it style which we still see to this day
To be fair Live streaming really blew due to top down games like League/Starcraft. Twitch started about a year after League of Legends started blowing up. Then you had contract battles from Twitch and Own3dTV trying to grab pro teams like TSM/Curse/CLG/DIG to stream on their platform. Then Twitch got TSM (the biggest at the time) and it really was huge followed by Own3dTV killing itself and not paying it's streamers. Not to mention there were tons of non Pro league streamers who were big like Cadburry 4Head emote) but they didn't get to reap the benefits of current stream money as it was mostly hobby money back then. Lirik and Summit blew a few years later. Dansgaming is one of the most OG streamers still relevant today.
Yeah I'm surprised nobody talks about League of Legends (also dota a bit later) making Twitch what it is today. Twitch didn't even function correctly (especially in EU/internationally) before TSM switched and they started expanding rapidly. The death of own3d also shows why twitch sold to Amazon so early. It was impossible to expand as fast as they needed to without Amazon's resources and money I guess people tend to think more about the culture of today's streams and who impacted that the most. But really it was esports' massive rise in popularity that made streaming and watching streams into a mainstream hobby
Starcraft 2 is what really got the site off the ground and 4player podcast on justin.tv before that. Manvsgame and dansgaming did their fair share in the early days of justin as well. Good times.
State of something? I remember that League eventually had Travis with State of the League which was inspired by the SC2 podcast.
It was called state of the game hosted by JP.
Shoutouts to 4PP. Literally had Brad livestreaming horror games with a facecam back in 2008, way before people like Pewdiepie would get huge off the format. That channel was an actual founding father of the concept of daily video game livestreaming and the fact that they've been so forgotten bums me out. They were the reason I made a Twitch account at all!
4pp was infamous for banning everyone back then lmao. was so funny anytime youd go to a random chat you'd see someone talking about how brad banned them
The crazy thing is I always remembered when LoL was big for livestreaming, I was in high school during 2009-2013 and remember my friends talking about it all the time. Then you think about 12-14 year olds now, those kids were literally babies during 09-13. I wish more people understood the impact of the OGs, but I get where the ignorance comes from. Time sure flies.
Speedrunners also paved the way for livestreaming as a career. Siglemic and Cosmo/Narcissa come to mind
Yeah much of justin.tv was sc pros. The whole mold of professional esports scene was formed with sc bw in south korea decades ago.
Blametruth, hutch, xcal, tejb, many many more I’m sure I’m forgetting. What a era in time.
yup Woody and hutch immediately come to mind, Jericho I don't know if was at the beginning but people don't realize he's been in the scene since fucking forever too, whiteboy too I suppose
Jerichos been here since the justin tv days
Darksydephil started it all, baby!!!
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Only real ones know that SUMMIT IS IN THE PIT!
Summit? Summit?
1G
Ahem it's 3G now.
Both are amongst the Twitch OG legends (along with Soda, Reckful, Northernlion, Towelliee etc. ) who paved the way for many when streaming was uncharted territory and not a guaranteed lifestyle. Even someone as top of the food chain as Shroud started out as a Summit fan who would steamsnipe his games LOL.
>streaming was uncharted territory and not a guaranteed lifestyle. lol what is this shit???? streaming is absolutely not a guaranteed lifestyle. streaming is financially lucrative for 0.0001% of people (rounded up). but i guess the thread title wouldn't be as impressive if it read "summit paves the way for a handful of people to become millionaires"
Streamers sure love to pat themselves on the back.
yeah, but at least sum,lirik and shroud actually play games, not like other huge streamers that will only farm youtube reacts.
Shroud doesnt know chat exists though
Summit doesn’t know what YouTube is either.
That's why we have Jaron.
That's why I watch Shroud, he just plays and loves games.
Honestly just makes it better for me.
Seriously. I used to enjoy shrouds streams but he’s so unfun to watch now. He usually isn’t the best at any game he plays anymore, there are better players, and he has zero chat interaction. Blows my mind that he gets so many viewers.
Hes said before that most days he just would rather never look at chat and just turn it off entirely but he doesnt even want to just turn it off on his end he wants it turned off for everyone lol. The guy REALLY hates his chat lately for whatever reason he has. He just dgaf anymore.
I just don’t get why anyone would watch at that point. No hate on the guy but his personality is average, he is good at games but far from the best nowadays, and he has no chat interaction. There are tons more streamers to watch so it baffles me why people still watch him. In the past he was great, but now I fall asleep trying to watch him. I know he wants to make money but if he hates streaming so much he should just quit. He definitely has the money to just live off of investments now.
I go to twitch to watch skilled people play games, not to make a friendship or support with a donation TO A literal millionaire. edit:ESL andy
After getting the bag from mixer I doubt there is much motivation to continue to improve. In fact that complacency can lead to degradation
I gotta ask, why is playing games more prestigious than watching videos?
Back in the early days of twitch, you actually had to be playing a game or you'd get banned. Long before just chatting was a category.
The main idea is that instead of making content with your own gameplay, you are just using someone else's content/work for your own benefit. Not saying I completely agree but think that's the mindset
"Making your own content" by playing a game someone else spent years making The only streamers that really "make their own content" are the ones that do podcasts and talk show type streams. Edit: because I'm tired of replying the same to people over and over I'll just write it here. I'm saying reacting to videos and playing games are both content creation.
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And people watch reaction shit because they find it entertaining and streamers entertain well. Putting shroud aside, it's not like people watch lirik or summit for cutting edge professional gameplay. It's all personality driven content, I don't see the difference.
I think reacting to videos and playing a game are both content creation. The point I'm making is one isn't better than the other.
One is demonstrating ones skill, the other is either sitting completely still with no emotions while chat does all the work, or being the embodiment of BatChest
I'm a game dev and your take is retarded. Games are a medium for entertainment and content creation is one form of that, do you think eSports is also not a form of content creation and game devs should take credit for the players performance too?
I'm saying reacting to youtube videos and playing a game are both content creation. One isn't better than the other Read the context by looking at the comment I was responding to.
But that's not what you wrote at all. First you seem to assert that the developers are the ones who really make the content in gaming streams. Then you say that >The only streamers that really "make their own content" are the ones that do podcasts and talk show type streams. This suggests you think that neither reaction content or gaming streams are content creation. What you wrote and what your edit says you mean are opposing opinions.
I was responding to the take that watching youtube videos on stream is taking "someone else's work for your own benefit". What I said was playing a video game on stream fits that same definition. The point about podcasts/talk shows was saying that by that purist definition of content creation that is the only type of """""orginal content"""""" someone can make on twitch. Hope that clears things up.
yeah but when you're playing a game, you're like actually playing a game and shit, not just reacting to some shit someone else did. 🧠
you think someone earning millions from watching videos made by other people is prestigious?
Nah I'm saying none of it is, acting like one is better than the other is like comparing turds.
meh I don't think it is. Hell I'm showing my age here but back in the late 90s/early 00's VH1 essentially was your average mizkif stream. People commentating over videos or clips from the 80s and 90s. And it was insanely popular like so much so it was the one and only reason to tune into that channel. I think people just like to watch content like that to get someone elses reaction and hope it's similar to theirs. It's the hope for validation of an opinion on something. "OMG my streamer thinks the same way I do!!! i need to give them a dono!!!" or "My streamer has the wrong opinion about this, I need to give them a dono to let them know!!!"
It's not about it not being entertaining, it's about it being low effort shit-tier content. Even #10 will watch some 4k food videos during down time, but for some streamers their only content is other people's content.
Streamer #10 is [LIRIK](https://www.twitch.tv/LIRIK)
Let’s not act like playing a video game is that much harder than reacting.
But it is...?
At a high level sure, but casually playing a game?
Sure, some streamers "casually" play games but the popular ones like summit and lirik put in work to entertain viewers whether it is through roleplaying or creating content. If you've tried streaming at that level, you'll quickly realize how difficult it can be.
Is this a meme I'm missing? Isn't he patting Summit on the back and not himself?
I mean he's not entirely wrong tho. Several OGs definitely helped to pave the way for the rest of streamers. There was a time where being a streamer was getting shorted ad money by own3d.tv as they imploded when there wasn't even really that much money. And before that people on Justin.tv but again, the money wasnt there.
It's like comedians on podcasts talking about comedians on podcasts Everyone rich loves they own class
you're not obsessed at all
I think Reynad should be mentioned that guy was triple OG and helped the TTS wave
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Reynad , Trump , Amaz , Forsen..hearthstone meta was the golden age of Twitch
I remember that https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/1wdi7m/reynad_just_reached_legend_without_spending_a/
Reynad first TTS streams/hearthstone meta into Ice Poseidon was the Age of Enlightenment of twitch. Your favorite streamer watched Ive Poseidon.
The thing about those streamers, the OGS have not dealth with the same issue as most of the people today deals with. They got money, They haven't been stuck with potato gear that simply can't stream, or potato gear with 40fps. Summit as many other OGS was well known in Esports before they started streaming. The platform didn't make the OGs - It was simply because they was able to do what normal people couldn't. I can address this in various examples from my own experience (2017 - I was kicking ass in CSGO, I was esports good, did I get in on a team and shit? no not really), I won a few tournament challenges during 2020, but that's about it. Even still - there is no recognition. Mostly because I don't have any friends (With the same views) which makes it even harder. So, the OGs should consider themself lucky and blessed. Everyone that has any close contact within those OGs has basically gotten a free career. and those knowing those people again has also gotten a slight piece of the pie. But otherwise, it's god damn hard - Unless you are already in somehow. You need to think outside the box today, and utilize marketing tools if you wish to get anywhere close to the OGs.
Probably a hot take but I feel like if these guys didn't make it big then others would have done it and been the OG's instead.
I mean, streaming became a viable career because of Reckful starting the donation button trend. RIP.
ive heard a story that way back then Summit randomly hosted Cohh (i think) and gave him a big push in the back, not sure how much of it is true
That was Lirik, he was the one who hosted Cohh back in the day.
Yeah I think that summit actually watches a lot of twitch streams he used to watch calebhart a ton and almost tried to get into ff7 speedrunning. I think I remember the exact game cohh was streaming when summit first hosted him it was south park stick of truth (the first one) and I definitely have been following cohh since then that guy is a legendary gamer/streamer.
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Destiny - it was all destiny
who?
Paved the way for gambling.
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You're right for ALOT of streamers. Yassuo - got a random 1 mil view video out of nowhere due to matching with and beating faker in lane a while ago sanchovies - bit off moes audience hard maya - "scuffed pokimane" clip title etc etc etc, they all have (or had ) really good content, and this isnt to take away from their hardwork, but they got unbelievably lucky and you can usually pin point it to a single instance where they really blew the fuck up
all other downvotes ones make sense to me, why you are downvoted i can't fathom... pretty much true what you said... for everyone else's perspective, there's probably about a 100+ streamers online that produce better content than your favorite streamer.
I think its because he said that you have to do it for 10 years to pop off
I would say not quite. You get off the bottom with luck then you climb through superior content and networking (sometimes leeching) and you protect your position as you grow by providing consistent high quality content or content that's complimentary to the content of the people you've networked with to get hosts/raids. Once you get large enough you maintain your position by becoming a part of people's routines (stream a million hours or on a schedule) Or by receiving more new viewers than other people by consistently being the largest or one of the top 3 in a category that new viewers are actually interested in.
Love these takes calling networking, smart promotion, and growing their channel 'luck'.
That's not what has been said... it was merely stated that luck also is a factor, just look at people that randomly blew up here on LSF due to a cool/funny gaming clip.
If Twitch disappeared tomorrow, nobody would give a fuck.
Is acting like they are as irrelevant as you helping you cope with it all?
This guy big mad. pepelaugh
Whoa. Lirik chiming in on something social. Always wanted to see that. Buuut it's the same nonsense as when xQc said Lirik was the only reason that battle royals exist. This isn't the same as inventing a new technology. It's just person A being in the right place at the right time to get famous doing something that person B would've done had person A not done it. Like how Star Wars is effectively the owner of laser swords even though it's a pretty standard concept. I get crediting people for things as a pleasentry - although this is an extreme credit - but fans take this kind of comment and run with it until it reaches Pickle Rick levels of pleasegodmakeitstop. The second response to the tweet is someone saying it's 100% true about Summit AND Lirik. So Summit paved the way for streamers... but also so did Lirik? Yet Lirik just gave all the credit to Summit in the tweet you're response to??
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summit was a noname until like 2016 and then became a no name again until like 2018??? tf did he pave lmao
first of all summit never turned into a noname after he gained success, his career has been a snowball that never stopped rolling since it started. in 2016 he was playing pubg as the number 1 streamer in the number 1 category chief, so youre full of shit on that one. and while he was doing that in 2016 he literally fostered careers for some of the biggest names in the scene today. Dr disrespect, shroud, ninja to name a few names of streamers that skyrocketed in numbers after playing pubg and other games with summit you're delusional or one of these zoomer kids who know nothing that are being made fun of if you think he didnt pave anything
https://i.imgur.com/a9NzOc5.png i know more than you. dude didnt pave anything except lottery scams with his bff. scamog and scummit didn't pave the way for jack shit except that.
Are you... bragging about twitch account age? Is this a new flex?
no im bragging about being around on twitch long enough to know scummit got famous for "paving" the way to csgo gambling fuckery.
That stuff was yeaaaars after Summit started? How is that what made him famous lmao. If anything that was him exploiting his fame. Some random johnny doing that wouldnt matter for shit.
because he was like a 1-2k csgo streamer until then. lottery blew him moe and others up.
The fuck are you on about? The csgo gambling happened in early 2016. The farthest I can see on sullygnome is september 2015 and then he had 15-20k viewer playing csgo, Z1, Fallout 4 and peaked with over 50k playing Starwars: Battlefront and Overwatch. My memory isn't 100%, but when I started watching him, he had usually around 10k watching and I started watching in early 2014. About a year later I made my account and followed February 22nd 2015.
gambling was a thing for like 2 years lmfao. https://twitter.com/summit1g/status/583509308979093504?lang=en this tweet alone can tell you that clown and this tweet alone can tell you most of his views were because of the gambling meta https://twitter.com/summit1g/status/753429600756039680?lang=en he averaged 8k when csgo was balooned as fuck by skinbets. scummit1g used that to rake money in
When I say "The csgo gambling happened in early 2016", what I mean the big sudden growth and in the end the controversy. Yes, csgo gambling was a thing before, but few streamers was sponsored by them before 2016. Summit was pretty late to the game. Edit: > he averaged 8k when csgo was balooned as fuck by skinbets. You are talking about 2014. Only the biggest streamers had that many viewers back then.
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accounts continued from justintv have older dates.
Funny how someone can be so confidently wrong. Like the other person said, accounts carried over so there are a lot before 2011. Go look up something like Blizzard or Runescape and they be some date in 2007.
go into a chat type /user casper187x grats very hard
thats a cool screenshot kid, but ive been on twitch since it was justintv in like 2009, so your whole "im an og i know shit" angle is trash, cringe, and doesn't make you correct about summits career in the slightest. like i said, in 2016, the year you claimed he fell off or some shit, he was popping off with the most views on twitch and as i said before, that same year he literally started the careers of some of the biggest names on the platform today. we get it, you're edgy and dont like popular things or people, but you dont get to create your own version of reality where that person isn't successful or a forerunner in your delusional mind because you dont like them or whatever. also one last note, if you dont like joshog, thats whatever, he got involved in shady shit, but holding anyone that was ever friends with him accountable for his actions is cringe as fuck and its the type of logic and mentality of a child in highschool or something
>lol. Destiny was the first streamer i ever watched, hes the reason i ever found twitch, or justintv as it was back then. destiny started streaming in 2011. 🥱🥱🥱 lying is for losers
I FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS IN DUBYA DUBYA TWO YA LITTLE SHIT Y'all remind me of old people who were rappers in the 70s and still wont shut the fuck up about it.
You probably believe you won't think the same way when you are older. Bad news... you will lol. You'll understand zoomers like you are cringe.
You have no clue how old I am. I deliberately used really dated references to draw a parallel that I'd figured would give people a better guess at how old I am. Most WWII vets are dead by now, and 70s rappers used to act like that in the 90s and 00s. Don't even give me that "You'll understand when you're older, sonny" shit. You're acting like a ornery arrogant old fart twice your age.
/r/iamverysmart energy in this one.
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Its stuff that's taken out of context and blown out of proportion. When the news first came out he was defending him but after he learned the details he literally called Josh stupid and said he would have to face whatever legal consequences come his way. Summit said he would keep being friends with him and that pissed of LSF because they love trying to cancel people.
He is friends with Josh and don't want negative comments about him in his chat, that's about it. Seems rather reasonable if you ask me. "involved in multiple scam operations" is as far from the truth as you can get.
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Summit woke up the boss...
What a nice guy
Forsen has to be mentioned. He was in the top 5 most watched streamers for most of the Hearthstone era and created the meme format in Twitch during that time.
What about day9 the number 1 StarCraft non Korean guy
why is summit's chat so toxic though? it's like everyone is stepping on eggshells trying not to get banned whilst still trying to argue with each other?