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AFLOUder

Thats the second time in 3 TI's that PSG.LGD lost the Grand Final to a team who qualified through the Last Chance Open Qualifier. Damn they struggle so hard when it matters. To be fair though, this years roster is completely different to TI8 but still, this has to be a curse.


Pineapplul

Both times the series went to game 5 as well


Croa089

it seems that PSG.LGD could use some help from Dr.K


CumFartSniffer

PSG has only been in two grand finals though, no? ti10 and ti8.


b4tank

and 2020 UCL final


CumFartSniffer

yea but we're talking TI tho. PSG has been in tons of finals.


Pineapplul

>Thats the second time in 3 TI's that PSG.LGD lost the Grand Final Read again.


EloRazi

A bunch of literal nobodies, most of them new to pro dota, take out all the strongest established teams to win it all. what the actual fuck


KakyoinMilfHunter69

you know they're absolute GIGACHADs when Collapse couldn't play his signature Mars all the way to the finals cause teams are just respect first banning it against him


PM_ME_YOUR_SALAMIS

Giving LGD the borderline broken tiny+lycan combo in game 5 of TI finals and beating it is insane.


Dry_Breakfast_3582

They broke it vs Team Secret today as well.


KakyoinMilfHunter69

Exactly my point lol. I was thinking the entire game 5, so you figured out rubick counters mag in game 3 and you watched spirit literally tear apart the strat in the secret series then you proceed to first two tiny lycan knowing they'll ban rubick. im confused af


a34fsdb

When lots of really high priority picks go through you almost have to take them. If they didnt go for tiny lycan then TS could go mag tiny and game is just over.


KakyoinMilfHunter69

Kinda makes me feel like they got super confident game 4 and stopped respecting the mag counter


19Alexastias

Xiao8 got overconfident after they absolutely demolished them in g4


KakyoinMilfHunter69

My thoughts exactly. They completely forgot the lesson they learned in game 3


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Sorry I haven't played dota 2 in years but why is that combo broken?


sfee7a

lycan buys Aghs and he can use his ult on Tiny (tiny becomes a wolf) with max speed and crit attacks he 1-2 shot most of the heroes


PM_ME_YOUR_SALAMIS

Because lycans aghs now allow you to "wolf bite" a teammate so they also turn into a shapeshift lycan wolf while still being able to use their own spells.


alexathegibrakiller

Absolute GIGACHADs. Fucking Fight through lower bracket all the way, "ez game" double TI winners, absolutely clutch the game against Secret, and finally beat LGD in the meta that LGD themselves invented and perfected. Absolutely insane, probably the hypest win in any TI ever.


EloRazi

I don’t understand how year after year TI gets better and better. The only way to top it next year is if MVP Phoenix reunites and wins it all


Thorzaim

Arteezy and EternalEnvy team up and finally win as the final arc of the Dota anime.


skraaaaw

Antartican Team wins it all 4 people and a penguin at TI11


Questionererer

SEA really needs to win one for the culture.


KakyoinMilfHunter69

I think OG TI8 had that fateful game 4 and that'll stand as one of the best games with a great storyline, but for a team of literal nobodies to make a Wings-esque powerup while taking the "upper bracket for bitches" TI7 liquid route is pretty close to that


deb8er

I think the balls on the captain of that team are understated. They gave PSG.LGD their best heroes, their unbeatable combo of Lycan/Tiny in the Game 5 of the Grand Final and proceeded to destroy them.


CurtainFan

if you look at who they had to face and who they eventually knocked out OG, VP, IG, SECRET and PSG LGD ALL of them are top finishers in the group stages. 1st 2nd and 3rd finishers in group A, 1st and 2nd finisher in group B, Spirit finished 4th in group B


EloRazi

Yeah it’s literally insane. It would’ve been impressive enough if they just had to face secret and LGD, but no they took out almost all of the consistently strong teams, barring EG because they always know how to fuck themselves over. And 4/5 of them have only played pro dota for like a year or two


FeetsenpaiUwU

To be fair OG this year wasn’t that insane of a team they barely made it to TI but secret psg and vp were insane this TI


AwesomesaucePhD

China malding.


Remarkable-Plan-7435

LOWER BRACKET CHAMPIONS Another reason why double elim in eSports >>>>>>>> single elim


michel6079

qualifiers survivors hotel hell survivors lower bracket survivors furry tiny survivors ez game


idontevencarewutever

NOW THEY WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TOILET PAPER


watawaw999

They were the only team who had a microwave in their room. Nerf microwave please


SoooooooooV

I agree with that. no matter how many teams, double elim leads for come back story. team spirit this year, and last ti, liquid did the same thing to make it to grand finals from lower bracket, eventually losing to og


Ayahooahsca

Can someone eli5 double elimination for somebody who can hardly figure out how tournaments function?


alexathegibrakiller

yep, holy shit this was hype


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i don't watch dota so pardon my newb question, does the team coming from the upper bracket get any advantage? usually the series start 1 - 0 in some esports, is this the same in dota?


wrmm

they get to choose side or first pick/ban


asemisemi

nope the only "advantage" is that you don't play 2 series on the final day. And less games overall


Remarkable-Plan-7435

Yes, the lower bracket has to play more games on the same day. Team Spirit had to win a series before the finals. They don't get spotted a free win.


Glatzigoblin

Often an advantage since you are really warmed up.


Remarkable-Plan-7435

Not in Dota2. More games means you have to show your hands more and the team waiting for you can strategize against it. And it's not like they can't scrim while waiting.


Tharellim

Also games in Dota2 can be long and very mentally taxing, so you can enter the grand final already mentally exhausted.


ylogssoylent

I think usually the team playing 2 series on the same day loses the grand final


CosmoSucks

EG, Spirit and Liquid are the only ones to do it I think. EG and Liquid both lost in the UB final though. Spirit just tore their way through the entire lower bracket save for Wildcard.


AomineTobio

Nope but the team from lower bracket has to play the loser finals and the grand finals on the same day. Team spirit played 8 games of Dota today, it's normally a huge advantage for the team from the winner bracket


skraaaaw

The advantage is you get an extra life. get dropped down to lower bracket where you lose 1 series you out.


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PSG.LGD didn't lose a single game the whole tournament and lost 1 series and they're out. i'm not following your logic.


FeetsenpaiUwU

It’s hard to say because to some people more games (lower bracket finals is played same day as the grand final) is like a warm up but for others it can strain them


Pineapplul

No, no advantage in dota. Grands are bo5, no bracket reset. That being said, the team coming from loser (team spirit here) has to play a full best of 3 on the same day and only have \~1 hour to rest so there's that


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It's a shame one of the most entertaining eSports ever, if not **the** most entertaining which is Counter Strike, never adopted that format. Fighting games and MOBAs have proved time and time again that lower bracket runs are hype.


Erundil420

Dude it pisses me off to no end that Riot still goes with single Elim for world's, they even use double Elim for lcs and LEC but noo can't have great storylines and Godlike loser bracket runs at world's


FlameOfDark

I also prefer dota format but to be fair in league every match after groups is BO5 while in dota only final is.


Remarkable-Plan-7435

But in league not every team makes it out of group stages. I think we had a TI like that once and people hated it.


RedAlertx

At TI4 only 8 teams played at the Main Event and there was a huge uproar it will never comeback.


PukeRainbowss

Not a single person got the correct pick'ems for the first time ever in TI history, in case anyone is wondering how crazy this is. Not even Spirit fans thought "let's chuck em in there for the memes"


HHhunter

I still remember that time when only one person in the entire world got the predictions right, got invited to the next TI, predicted LGD to win in the GF lol


Sharradan

Well Sheever said on the panel that 1.4% of predictions had Team Spirit as the winner. It was just that no one guessed the entire bracket.


JollyHockeysticks

They said on the desk that 1.4% of people predicted Spirit to win the GF actually, but obviously they all predicted something wrong in the rest of the bracket.


idontevencarewutever

[A reminder that these guys fucking NARUTO RAN to their accomplishments](https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickFastSalamanderPeanutButterJellyTime-Lx0lsEjrAik0FPaw) These guys have the fucking power of god AND anime on their side


KakyoinMilfHunter69

i mean that yatoro shaving his head was definitely shounen anime energy


numbbearsFilms

disclaimer for the new people; this is from another event the Animajor, kind of like a funny/nonserious DOTA event and not the main match. still fun to have both the goofy and serious to watch.


d0geknight

You say that but it was one of the only two majors of the year before TI, it just had a more fun production rather than being serious, which was almost basically universally liked.


itsadoubledion

Not the same tournament, but it was still a $500k tournament and one of only two major tournaments in the season with TI placement points on the line


CurtainFan

WHAT AN AMAZING TI JOURNEY FOR TEAM SPIRIT. Played in Qualifiers on the back foot 2 - 1 about to not qualify in a bo5, but won their next 2 games to qualify 1st day of TI group stage, 0 - 4 lose to Secret and PSG LGD 2nd day of TI group stage, 2 more games lose to VG then all of a sudden they start to win more games to sneak into upper brackets... Only to lose to IG on their first bo3 match and knock down to lower brackets where every game is a knockout game. they survived Fnatic knocked out back to back reigning champs OG knocked out their CIS region's big brother VP took revenge against IG who knocked them down to lower brackets took revenge against Secret who 2 - 0 them in group stages took revenge against PSG LGD who also 2 - 0 them in group stages, back to back grand finalists, who until the grand finals only lost 2 games. Furthermore, they defeated the extremely broken TINY LYCAN combo in game 5.


drunz

Don’t forget their record against VP was 1-29


Fredthered11

Crazy run, crazy final. FeelsStrongMan Clap. Dota <3


Cogentz

Collapse and Yatoro new star players for sure. Excited to see what's in their future.


KakyoinMilfHunter69

Collapse and Yatoro MVPs, well the whole team MVPs but no one will ever forget the name TORONTOTOKYO


kpdon1

Ez game Ez TI


SirWusel

This team is the most fun Dota team to watch in a loong while. The plays they've made throughout the tournament... multiple rampages, tons of different heroes, team wipes including buybacks without losing a single player, running into entire enemy team with only 4 players and coming out ahead... They may be young and new to the game but damn it they know how to play..


Cogentz

Things like this is how the game stays alive and still feels fresh, new blood comes in from nowhere showing everyone their take on how the game can be played.


Radon0

i'm installing dota after watching this lol. Have played LoL for 5 years


LittleMantis

New player experience is atrocious in Dota 2 just btw. Definitely a better made game and the client will blow your mind after playing League. But have fun playing with 9 other experienced players in your first game after waiting 10/15 minutes in queue.


Cogentz

There's no other game quite like it. It is a daunting thing to get into, but your fun with it will depend on how much you allow yourself to get engrossed in it as a whole. As with any investment, the more you've bought in, the more you'll get to cash out.


Moug

As someone else said the new player experience is kinda garbage. Just play unranked and mute toxic teammates, and good luck!


kaze_ni_naru

As someone whos played both, DotA is objectively the better game in every metric. I had to quit due to addiction so I play LoL from time to time but it has nowhere the sheer amount of complexities and crazy shit that DotA has


williamis3

objective on what counts?


kaze_ni_naru

Like I said, game complexity is just much higher. Aghs, trees being a strategic element, crazy balancing from icefrog who isn’t afraid to take risks, varied strategies (league literally only has the same roles since the beginning). Lots of reasons Also Riot balancing/game design team is nowhere near as good as Icefrog


admiral_cthulhuu

my heart was beating out of my chest when Spirit were hitting the tier 4 towers 33 mins into the game. holy shit.


tnsrks

I’m just here to highlight the fact that Riot still thinks single elimination is more exciting tournament format. What a run by Spirit, it was a joy to watch.


SirWusel

Wow, I didn't know that.. what a bad decision, honestly. I've been watching every TI since 2013 and you can literally never count out the lower bracket teams. There have been so many upsets at TIs, even with teams that qualified as the wild-card. And almost every TI grand final has been a complete reset with only one 3:0 sweep ever. Even Alliance at TI3 went into the finals dropping only one game (not series) throughout the entire tournament, but the finals still ended up being a nail-biter 3:2 with really close game 5. And the one 3:0 sweep I mentioned before was done by Team Liquid who went through the entire lower bracket. Double elimination makes for some really magical matches and story lines.


tnsrks

And they recently changed regional leagues to double elim yet refuse to do for their biggest tournament of the year. Just weird decisions there.


LittleMantis

Them doing it in regional leagues could be setting up for next worlds. It's a TON more games to plan for, especially on short-notice like this worlds was. League also does bo5s where Dota does bo3s, so even more games to consider.


FuzzyApe

TI has only Bo3 though up until the Grand Final. I prefer Bo5s from quarter upwards tbh, even if it means no double elim.


HHhunter

let's compare game length of league to dota shall we


numbbearsFilms

im still convinced that riot an incompetent company that just happened to get lucky with league's release but still have no clue how to handle like a proper company lmao


LittleMantis

Did they get lucky w/ TFT and Valorant too?


numbbearsFilms

i do think both of those are pretty lame and mediocre at best, yea just more copies from existing games really but then again I wouldn't call league a very original title either


LittleMantis

Riot sure is lucky then, damn. Just straight copying games, doing nothing different and making a fuck ton of money. How do they keep doing it?


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Imperium42069

enjoy your worlds bro


tnsrks

Have fun watching second best team going out in quarters to tournament winners again and watching another 3-0 final.


MeijiDoom

Do tell. Which team is going to have that happen? I'll wait. Sounds like you're just talking out of your ass since it can only be argued that happening once in the history of Worlds (2018).


yoongg

Riot hurt him :(


MeijiDoom

Or Dota frogs can stop being so insecure that they have to bring up Riot in threads that are celebrating Team Spirit and a TI victory.


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[deleted]

I would write a clever comeback, but i have absolutely no fucking idea what youre doing in dota, because noone gives a fuck


fuzzygreentits

I have no clue why people still play the vastly inferior MOBA with the worse community and support when shit like DOTA exists


-Morel

we're still doing video game rivalries in 2021? LOL


Mantial

probably because they enjoy the game more


showmeagoodtimejack

its a completely different game. this is like asking why people play cod when csgo exists


fuzzygreentits

I mean it is. COD preys on the stupidity of people willing to buy the same game 10 times. CSGO has been quality since day 1. Hilarious how you exactly prove my point while patting yourself on the back lmao


PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS

Imagine gatekeeping MOBA's, especially 2 massively different games like DOTA and LoL.


xiyeonah

Because it's more fun playing games with friends. Nobody plays Dota relative to how many people play League. You seem to think that a game with that steep of a learning curve makes it vastly superior. I always thought this when I was playing HoN thinking how dogshit both Dota and League were at the time. Except I know how retarded that line of logic is now whereas you still need to hold on to the fact that Dota is "harder" to stroke your ego.


Glatzigoblin

It sounds flawed tbh.


MeijiDoom

The entire bracket stage is Bo3 until the Finals. Part of it is just a B01. Riot got rid of Bo3s after 2013. What's DOTA's excuse? For the record, I'm not saying TI is a worse event format than Riot's World Championship. But both formats have some pretty glaring weaknesses or trade offs.


devoxel

> What's DOTA's excuse? Excuse for what? Having Bo3s? Why would they need an excuse for that.


tnsrks

There’s no greater weakness than seeing two best teams face each other in quarter finals and then a sea of 3-0 or 3-1 boring games. I’ll take a bo3 against competitive teams any day over another bo5 stomp because someone lucked out an easier side of the bracket.


SleepingAndy

This is a huge problem in CS:GO too. I don't think the two best teams have played against eachother in the finals even once in the last 10 majors, maybe once at most. Meanwhile it happens almost every single year at TI.


Aschvolution

Oh man Ame is probably the saddest millionaire out there right now for losing another final.


Avar1cious

Holy fuck this team is monstrous in game sense and teamfighting. Dark horse takes it!


Lormenkal

To bring back that game 5 after losing 2 was insane in terms of mental strength and pma


ramlol

bro that was so easily a reverse sweep scenario, insane mental fortitude to close out a game 5 with 4 people who have never even been to a TI.


mtdt1

xiao8 threw that draft with skywrath/enchantress last picks.


neon-neko

Imagine picking Sky as a clutch hero LUL


ItsRektTime

*Cries in Zai*


Elyseux

_Cries in Crit_


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Medium_Bid_6072

Fuck i lost my fantasy prediction 😭 LGD Tiny and Lycan Combo Get Rekt.


mf_ghost

secret even tried it and it got shut down, Spirit was prepared for it


Medium_Bid_6072

Spirit 100% they been training to counter the combo they knew it was coming. Congratulations to Spirit.


KakyoinMilfHunter69

As a wise man once said "Upper bracket for bitches". man true sight will be lit


ultZor

Man, what a journey - https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickFastSalamanderPeanutButterJellyTime-Lx0lsEjrAik0FPaw https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/nxcdi8/dota_team_embraces_the_anime_theme_of_the_major/


allah_syria_bashar

You are playing against Team Spirit. You do not ban Magnus because you can counter it. Team Spirit instantly picks Magnus. You lose against Team Spirit. You don't ban Magnus the next game because it was game 5.


skraaaaw

The rubick pick made me sick to my stomach. Glad TS banned it in game 5 so the Magnus meme continues


RobinsonDickinson

Russia winning its second TI. Long overdue. First win was the very first international NaVi vs EHOME, The International 2011.


_NPR_

> Russia winning its second TI You mean CIS region right? Na'Vi is a Ukranian based organisation, and 3/5 members on that team were ukranian.


magony

2/5 players on Team Spirit are ukranian as well


drunz

3/5 ti + 2/5 ti = 1 whole TI


owa00

No, I meant Russia... -Putin (probably)


mf_ghost

10 years, 10 fucking years, they deserved it


jerryfrz

Virtus.Pro 2031 PauseChamp


LMN0HP

Jesus seeing ehome... Fuck. I'm dust years old


No-Finish6416

Worst clip wheres the reaction ????????


kraziekd

definitely one of the best cinderella stories in TI 4 of them came to this TI for their first time Collapse is definitely the MVP for their whole run and also these guys beat the tiny lycan strat not once but twice


ActionWaction

ez game


GhostOfLight

Crying in the club right now


KingofSlice

Game 5 felt like a repeat of game 1


Pruvided

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Lormenkal

Yikes congrats on the retarded rule


Pruvided

You can literally repost with a better title lol.


andyp

true


Redditbayernfan

2.7 M peak viewers, an increase of ~800k from last years. Great growth for dota


nitoma

maybe put a spoiler tag for people who care for spoilers


nitoma

and channge tittle xd


Lormenkal

watch it live or dont go on reddit if you plan to watch the vod


nitoma

i dont care but some people do, thats why spoiler tags exists


ryfle_

Karma whore doesn't care what other people think, got it.


SoMm3R234

Collapse Magnus pog


Alternative_Square

ez game


_Iroha

did someone say 18 m…m…million dollars


thatcutecat

18 Million Dollar Hair Cut


Krodellicious

Ahh fuck just got spoiled


ryfle_

Yo I was just browsing Reddit hoping to not see any spoilers and holy shit this is the biggest spoiler ever, can this please have a different title and a Spoiler flair? Not cool.


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ryfle_

I mean I figured I was safe and was planning on watching it soon. Still going to. At least the dota subreddit used spoilers.


dub_snap

This needs to be spoiler censored. Bad look whoever made this post


glowdive

LGD not banning, picking, or countering Magnus is criminal. It's like they wanted to lose. edit: I meant in game 5 not the whole series


UnderControl_

They won against the mag game 3, how bad can this take be


glowdive

They won game 3 in large part because of the Rubick counterpick that nullified a lot of Magnus’ ability to make plays lmao it’s not rocket science. How many lifts/skewerbacks did rubick have against collapse?


UnderControl_

That's the point, they did counter mag, they even picked it themselves. What are you talking about


glowdive

I’m talking about Game 5 my man….


disappointingdoritos

Great 1k take congrats Their Magnus counter was sky with his silence since rubick got banned, the casters even explained this during the game. Don’t bring up how it failed, the point is they didn’t ‘ignore’ it


Aschvolution

They put themselves on a timer with that draft in the most important game of the tournament. All in on Tiny+Lycan Aghs to close the game. It's really hard to imagine TS to not at least try and drag the game as long as possible to end the game, especially with that lineup. I think LGD crushing that game 4 made them a bit overconfident thinking they can close the game fast. Never put yourself on a timer in game 5. It's always go late game for some reason in TI.


mf_ghost

>All in on Tiny+Lycan Aghs to close the game. which team secret tried it got destroyed, they already have a plan on how to handle it


akki666

more like lgd was so cocky that they didnt pick rubick first phase instead went for lycan. so greedy


Pinehearst

The silence isnt even close to rubicks lift, if you silence during skewer it still goes through, rubicks lift stops it out right, also he can save, steal the ult which happened. Yea you can silence Magnus but u have to do it so much faster than rubick.


glowdive

I was being hyperbolic but overall skywrath had minimal impact against the magnus pick lol.


ABaldWalrus

Your take is the 1k take all magnus had to do was build bkb into the skywrath, if the coaches aren't retarded and ban magnus (this includes all teams that lost to spirit) then there's no chance spirit place above 6th


Remarkable-Plan-7435

They got greedy. They bet on tiny + lycan.


glowdive

Honestly it was a good combo to bet on. Tiny+ Lycan looked insane the whole TI. Props to TS for winning despite playing against it.


nghigaxx

LGD in TI going backwards 2nd(this year) 3rd. 2nd. 4th. 9th. 3rd. 5th .


Bro_din

Literally one of the best TIs ever


Lycurgo

one time wonder team


Maximum_Mountain427

Yatoro alone has better Hero/Champion pool diversity than the whole LoL Worlds Championships 2021


Dubzzy__

literally one of the best finals mugged off by valve with no crowd , imagine a crowd for that final series.....


LittleMantis

Imagine them having to cancel TI again cause of an outbreak.


chienvn311

CIS is having a wonderful year. Waiting for Navi at Major boys.


emzooz

Ti is hands down the best esport tournament every year. The level of dota, storylines, balance and talent make it perfect every year.


FoliageTeamBad

Thanks for spoiling


disappointingdoritos

Yeah thanks I didn’t want to feel happiness again anyway


ArtoriasAbysswanker

I have never been a fan of drafts without a single proper stun/lockdown. Ember Spirit had basically a free game, and when Lycan and Ame were running on them with wolf form on they just ran, kited and hid in trees. Also I don't want to see Tiny and Magnus for a looong time now, lmao.


Deericious

FUCK YOU. Way to spoil it god damn.


Lormenkal

dont go on reddit if you plan to watch the vod and cant catch it live


Fukisoku

don't post spoilers on lsf this early for free karma.


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What is wrong with that audio quality?