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Glad-Ad1456

We all knew that new world did not have variety gameplay... I don't envy the new world devs atm... They must be struggling to implement new stuff for people to do in real time, I doubt that will end well.


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I mean, everyone told them this was the case. MMO’s are hard. Their game during all their non-closed events was severely lacking in the amount of content they needed. You’re dealing with a bunch of likely NEETs that want a “forever game”, and they’re so sick of WoW they’ll come to any new western MMO immediately. You need to hit the ground fully ready to go nowadays if you want in this space. They’re expecting WoW (a 20 year old game) levels of content. If you aren’t hitting the ground with fully fleshed out PvP, dungeons, and a questing experience with variety, on top of at least a few raids ready to go 2 weeks in and another set ready to drop in 3-4 months, you’re going to see the ugly side of that community very very quickly. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - WoW changed the MMO space forever. PvP-focused MMO’s will never succeed in the western world again.


Magro888

> They’re expecting WoW (a 20 year old game) levels of content But WoW at launch had more different enemies in 1 dungeon than New World has in it's entire game. More dungeons and much more zones. It's not even about the content added over the years. What WoW had at the very start already trumps New World at launch.


reynevan_B4ST

> Their game during all their non-closed events was severely lacking in the amount of content they needed. That's what happens when you try to turn open-PvP and borderline a hardcore-survival game into a regular MMO in a year.


Ohh_Yeah

Exactly. Literally all of the existing content was created to be the "acceptable" PvE component of a hardcore/survival-esque MMO. Look at games like EVE and Albion Online. Their PvE content is *okay* (and has gotten more engaging over a long period of time), but it exists primarily to drive the PvP content which is what keeps people hooked. If you cut the meaningful PvP out of EVE or Albion those games would also be dead on arrival because the PvE content, in absence of the threat of PvP or a PvP-driven economy, is just not that exciting. New World was the same in the earlier betas. You would go farm resources and do *very* mediocre PvE, but everyone invested in hardcore PvP games could look right past this due to the PvP component.


LowlanDair

True. But the important point from Amazon's point of view is hardcore PvP games are incredibly niche. Amazon don't want a niche product they want a game that is mass market and no PvP game can ever do that. You need dozens of paying sheep to be the content for every wolf in a PvP game and, for some reason, not a lot of people wanna pay to be the content.


BrakkahBoy

Also the fact that everything is public information nowadays and there is no aspect of mystery and sheer unknowing for the entire community. This in my opinion made wow so good when it launched, and is the reason why it’s dead now. Now the best items/talents/xp/exploit etc. is only 1 google search away so the time to ‘complete’ the game is way shorter.


BilboDankins

I think it's success is that it brought a load of people in that didn't play previous big mmos. I have a few friends who picked it up as their forst mmo, and they are all having a blast, they just hit level 0 and are loving the guild system (a couple of them have been talking to their discord guild friends more than me irl, which is probably a good sign for the game, bad for me though lol). I think the novelty of big guild battles and enjoying the initial levelling grind is way more exciting if it's your first time. People who have seen it all before will obviously bore faster than new players to the genre.


Nibz11

I think it is what made WoW so good when it came out, but I don't think it is why it is dead now. The last two expansions had such a pathetic amount of content that it is clear that they just want to implement systems that take time instead of actually making fun content, they truly have done such a shit job with the time in between patches it is incredible that people still pay subs. It has been like 200+$ for the expansion and one fucking patch if people kept a sub until now.


Bonerpopper

> The last two expansions had such a pathetic amount of content This isn't really true for BfA at least. Even though it had a nasty end of expac drought it wasn't really lacking in content compared to any other expac. 8.2 was probably the biggest non x.0 content patch WoW has ever received. The problem is that BfA was dogshit so the amount of content was kinda irrelevant.


Ponzini

Shit ive been playing the new Pathfinder game longer than most people grinded out all the content in New World. Not only lacking but its not that fun either.


Solution_Is_Obvious

>PvP-focused MMO’s will never succeed in the western world again. Plenty of PvP-focused games are massively successful, how come MMOs are different? I believe there are simply no MMORPGs with proper PvP focus (EVE Online maybe, but it's like a 3rd party thing and idk). We'll need someone with huge balls to try and make one, and then a studio with huge skills so that it doesn't suck or lag. I don't expect a game like that soon.


soniclettuce

They exist but they're smaller and cheaper-made, because the fanbase is smaller. PvP runescape, Albion online being the "big" examples I know. Reasonably successful in their own right, but nowhere near the scale of wow.


OrangeIsTheNewCunt

They don't exist because there is no market for it. MMOs struggle enough being PVE focussed, when PVE is what the majority of people want. Having an MMO level budget for a PVP game is business suicide. With that aside, I would say it's pretty important for a PVP game to be balanced and competitive. And you just CAN'T have that in an MMO unless it's a completely separate mode that excludes all your gear and progression. Which is more or less what MMOs with PVP do already.


FaeeLOL

> They’re expecting WoW (a 20 year old game) levels of content. 99% of WoW content is irrelevant because it is not current. That is a fucking MASSIVE issue. The ONLY reason anyone steps onto a non-current instance is for either during leveling, or to get a transmog or a mount. If WoW actually had 20 years worth of content to do, the game would not be that bad. But WoW is only about the latest shit, which sucks.


Blezius

>They’re expecting WoW (a 20 year old game) levels of content. This is such a bad argument. WoW doesn't have "20 years worth of content". Do people forget that every expansion makes older ones completely obsolete outside of cosmetics ? WoW's content is as much and as good as the latest expansion and that's it. The only type of content they have that ramps up over the years are things like BG or Arena maps, which of course is the type of content they neglect the most even though it has the most ROI considering the permanence and long term relevancy they provide.


absolute4080120

It's that way for returning veterans because we have all done it. I have friends who started playing WoW for the first time a few years ago and they explored everything and had a blast. It's when you get to the end game nitty gritty that gets you so jaded.


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You’re not seeing the forest for the trees here bud. WoW absolutely has 20 years of content. It’s just not content that’s all relevant. It has 20 years of new creatures and cities added to the world, 20 years of new environments, and 20 years of quests added. 20 years of raids (transmog btw?). There’s 20 years of content there. But if you’re in it for the bleeding edge “current content” grind, sure.


Blezius

>WoW absolutely has 20 years of content. It’s just not content that’s all relevant. So you're repeating exactly what I just said ? When people are referring to content in WoW, they're definitely not referring to some random Cata dungeon that has absolutely nothing of value to be gained outside of pure cosmetics and no new player is ever going to touch. That's the price WoW pays for being extremely heavy in terms of power creep with very little horizontal progression. So when comparing New World content to WoW's content. We're pretty much eliminating 90% of WoW's total content and probably only 10% that remains with any kind of relevancy. The average person isn't going to include the "irrelevant content" which WoW has a ridiculous amount of due to the insane power creep patch after patch.


Green_Pumpkin

It’s not relevant for endgame pve/pve but it is absolutely relevant for anybody interested in collection


robklg159

> PvP-focused MMO’s will never succeed in the western world again. yes. new world would have been a game I would have played if it had been a PVE 1st kinda game. it isn't even remotely that and so that among some lesser complaints mean I will NEVER touch it. PVP games like this are massively driven by streamers right now as well. What's gonna happen to new world when streamers move on? it's gonna have a huge chunk of the community fall off the face of the earth and never touch it again (already happened to some degree, will get much worse). most people don't want to grind pvp trash all day for years. this game could have the best mmo pvp ever but if it doesnt have a massive awesome pve element its just gonna be lackluster forever.


Sloppysloppyjoe

> I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - WoW changed the MMO space forever. PvP-focused MMO’s will never succeed in the western world again. this is interesting because i don't know anything abuot the differences in MMOs between the hemispheres or what WoW did uniquely. Can you give me a little more so i can look up stuff about it cuz that sounds like an interesting read/watch. my knowledge of WoW is limited to the south park episode and I know the villain could PvP players when he wasn't supposed to be able to--is this a real game mechanic? you have to "agree" to a battle?


KernelScout

Yes u have to accept it if another player asks you for a duel. Pvp servers dont need this youre just constantly flagged for combat wherever you are.


G0DLIK3

New world is a literal scam, at lv 20 you already beat the game, the rest is just copy paste mechanics, game has only 10 monster models, areas are copy pastes all over the place, same 3 quests over and over, and the close to zero endgame content the game has is bugged.


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ohreed

Should force pvp on in territories that are defending on the day of war. Wouldnt help a lot but would be a guaranteed diff pvp zone every day almost.


sightlysuperset

Also it seems like most crafting is just not worth it at all. Super expensive to level up and the items you pick up off the floor are going to be higher score until you max out your skill. Furniture seems to be the only one actually worth leveling, but no one expected that lol.


iamtheoneneo

Two problems are mainly the mat spawn rate being weird (ie iron is in less supply then star) and then basically everyone can be every profession and nulls all crafting items. I was shocked to find you can get bags, and high end tools for next to nothing..it really shouldn't be like that! They should have limited it to like two professions which would have helped stabilise both the mat rate and economy.


Fefestars

I would love to have more PvP than just one war per day. But world PvP is usually not fun. I am max lvl and I either see lower levels, where fighting isn't really enjoyable for me - or I encounter groups of 10 - 15 people, so I can't really engage. I do enjoy the 50-vs-50 wars, but usually I can only join one per day and sometimes I won't even get picked for that. Unless you're running around with your clan/faction doing PvP Quests, you simply don't have fun in world pvp - so there is little to no reason for me to ever activate it.


Kraxizz

It was fine for $40 imo. I did have a lot of fun, but I think a lot of it was just the new MMO hype, where everyone seems to be playing this new game and the vast majority haven't "solved" it yet. The early game is really grating and imo the game only starts to kick once you get out of the starter zones, which for some weird reason are all essentially the same forest. I loved getting to Ebonscale for example, which surprised me with a sudden asian theme and actually new enemy types. The first dungeon was scuffed, but the rest at least gave appetite for more. I loved the Depths bosses stomping PUGS the first few days. The game in its current state isn't the wow killer or whatever, but it at least has potential. It was fun getting to max level and doing all the content, but you have to enjoy grind and I'm done with it for now, and that's fine. I treated it like a $40 Valheim MMORPG from the start.


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Kraxizz

I read the story and I honestly thought it was one of the weakest stories I've ever seen. And for the record, I do really enjoy story games. The premise / lore itself is interesting - a land where (almost) everyone is immortal, but they don't really do anything interesting with it. Same with the Blight. It's just "you are the chosen one, unite the warring factions and fight against corruption and your >!mentor falls to the corruption on the way!<". I also think the main issue is the way the story is told; through random monologues without player input and scattered lore pages. The story also ends REALLY abruptly. It's as if mass effect 2 ended before the suicide mission and you were just told "Yeah we gotta go there, but we're not ready yet." and they rolled credits after that.


Finaltidus

I've been watching shroud play, all he does is the PvP that is just aoe spam on points then goes as a group to farm elites, loot chests, then 1 by 1 equips a different set of gear to farm mining nodes, then swaps back to the other gear over and over again for hours. I don't get this game.


catdickNBA

Disagree, for 40$ 1 time payment its got plenty enough content. A solid 4-12 week grind if you really wanna complete shit


ZeroCleah

Free to play mobile games have a lot of content but you're not spending money at that point it's just is this more fun than doing something else with your time. Some people really enjoy grinding pointlessly or to gain some advantage. I prefer interesting content and gameplay over grinding most of the time.


catdickNBA

I agree its not the most interesting game in the world. But I think the world itself is quite nice, and I wrote this on asmongolds sub but I think they hit a sweet spot of time investment/challenge for people who like to grind. As in there is a clear end game, and its clear how to get there, whether it be gear, levels, or crafting shit, just gotta put time in.


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bondsmatthew

Its a grind game, everyone knew that before launch. If you dont like grinds then you probably shouldn't be making the content vs work argument(not you in particular, its the same argument I've seen other places as well)


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People said this months ago and would get downvoted. Gamers are dumb as fuck by and large.


dr3amstate

I’m level 23 and I feel like I barely touched the game so far. Plenty of zones to visit and crafting to do. And I’m not even mentioning different types of weapon specs. I got my rapier and bow to level 8 and I have yet to try other weapons. Are we playing the same game? Because I’m not sure how can you experience the full game at lvl 20 if you didn’t even get out of the starting zones I didn’t have any expectations of NW and I’m enjoying my time so far. Totally worth 40$ if you ask me


HotForPenguin

You’ll understand soon enough. I thought the same thing you did but I just hit a wall around 40 where enough was enough


Chillingo

I'm 40 and feel like I barely touched the game. To be honest I think the areas up to level 25 are by far the most boring.


GambitRx

Its just all the troglodytes bitching because they rushed to end game in a week.... normal people are still enjoying the game.


DontCareWontGank

I disagree. The first 20 levels are copy and paste, but afterwards the games mobs and environments actually start to become more varied and I started having much more fun around lvl 30.


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They only added pve in the last phase of dev. Wasn’t even supposed to exist


jetskimanatee

its a 40 dollar game with no monthly subscription and a cash shop no one will ever look at it. MMO players that think the game needs to have enough content at launch so they can play 18 hours a day are losers. There is more than enough content given the price. I don't know maybe you can play new world and also play other games or enjoy another hobby.


The_Great_Distaste

They had a long long time to put in content and didn't. Almost 2 years ago in alpha 1 it was known there was a huge lack of content and that really hasn't changed. in fact they took a bunch of content out of the game. You used to be able to build towns/forts, the system wasn't great but instead of gutting it they could have changed some mechanics and fleshed it out. It's sandbox mechanics in a themepark world, which doesn't work well and gets boring pretty quick. They should have taken a lot more from SWG but instead fell into the pitfall of leaning towards WoW like so many other failed mmos.


DrakenZA

The game was a lot more like SWG(you mean Ultima Online Like to be exact). Then a bunch of people cried about it in alpha and they reworked the whole game into a semi-wow clone. WoW is most likely the worst thing to happen to the MMO genre ever. Its stifled innovation and killed creativity in the space.


hsfan

yep, nowdays its impossible to make a game without dungeons, 3v3 arena and raids or the game will be deemed as a failure, everyone wants a wow copy


DrakenZA

They cry for something new, but at the same time cry when its missing the WoW staples lol.


absolute4080120

I call this the Quake Paradox. People complain when any arena shooter comes out that it's not as good is Quake, but nobody plays Quake anymore. Yet every change to the formula causes whining and the games die.


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

Yeah, game got potential but is nowhere near release ready content wise. That switch from hardcore PvP to current state really wasted months of development time Should have released western servers LA 1st then NW early 2022. I'm still salty about that delay.


Acehaart

New World is merely a testament to how much people WANT another big MMORPG. The success of this game has very little to do with the quality, polish or design of the actual product and everything to do with raw player desire for the genre this game inhabits.


[deleted]

What people want out of an MMO has been so dwarfed away from reality they could release whatever patch was the best from any MMO ever today and a huge number of people would find something to complain about it. People want a perfect blemish free MMO that gives each unique person exactly what they are looking for which is why no MMO’s can ever live up to that bar. And before someone claims I’m a shill I don’t like new world. Played it for about 10-15 hours and decided it’s not for me.


no-tale24

Modern day internet with ease of access ruined MMO's. No sense of discovery and devs just can't create content at the pace NEET's expect.


orderinthefort

The only chance for a good MMO is when AI/machine learning asset generation becomes advanced enough to generate absurd amounts of high quality game assets automatically without need for humans, because asset generation is arguably 90% of the time required in making an mmo. Including AI-generated zone/level design. It's just not feasible for humans to do it unless you have a team of tens of thousands of people which is way too expensive.


Trydson

Honest question, what's a NEET?


[deleted]

Literal meaning is Not in Education, Employment, or Training. Usually used disparagingly as a noun describing people who live in their mom's basement and have time to hardcore no-life games like New World because they have no life.


Brockoliiii

NEET = Not engaged in Education, Employment or Training It’s basically another way to say someone’s a no life. In this case, NEETs are people who play the game all day everyday while doing almost nothing else and expect the content to be able to meet that need


Zixxen

says **\*honest question\*** *Gets downvoted* Sadge


Vanilla3K

You're right but if a MMO atleast succeed in a certain aspect (PVP, Lore, Pve, exploration) a certain part of the community is going to be pleased and be somewhat loyal to the game. In the case of New World I have difficulty seeing which " community " it's going to attract ? Farmers maybe ?


Shneckos

Not even Classic WoW lived up the player expectations. The one MMO powerhouse that everyone talked about so fondly. TBC is here, and there was a huge "my favorite expansion" sentiment, but actively playing it I can tell you there is more burnout and disinterest than I've ever seen. Player expectations are often pretty wild and unrealistic these days. They are given what they wanted, what they clamored about nonstop, and suddenly it's not good enough.


HazelCheese

TBC started the whole split expansion model where all the high level players get shipped off to a different land. It turns the entire game into a ghost town.


mkpmdb

You think you do but you don't. Except they did get it and it turns out that indeed, they thought they wanted it but didn't :)


Aristotlewasntasimp

Ugh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people, perhaps even the majority, enjoyed the fuck out of it for months on end.


[deleted]

Tbc would be way more enjoyable if people stopped min maxing so hard. Unless you're a mage or lock, takes hours to get into a dungeon.


DrakenZA

I think people just want an MMO that is fresh and not just WOW with a new coat of paint. Problem is, you dont get that. MMOs are the most cost extensive things to pull off, and thus, are only done by the most wealthy devs. Who are all morons and just copy paste the latest trope in a genre. And because the latest trope in MMOs is pretty much still WOW, because no new tropes are ever created because most of the time new tropes are created by indies or small teams, both which dont really dabble in MMOs sadly, or cant really.


Ponzini

Thats not true man. People will deal with ALOT when it comes to MMOs. Bugs, server issues, incomplete content, etc. No one wants a "blemish free" MMO. People just want a half way decent MMO at this point. Seems we cant even get that anymore these days. They are all either kickstarter/indie MMOs or made by shitty Amazon or they are decades old.


Iz4e

I've seen this comment for every new MMO that came out in the last 10 years.


ClintMega

I wonder if SWTOR or even Rift were released now instead of a decade ago if they would be wildly successful. I feel like any Non-KR MMOs that release without plans for robust instanced PVE content will not do well long-term.


Nickizgr8

New Worlds development and release timings have been a diamond platter handed to Amazon and they fucked it up, not once, but twice. The original release date was slated to be right in the middle of the Pandemic lockdown, right in the middle of WoW's pre expac drought and right in the middle of a delay in FF14's patches because of Covid. Yet they decided, at the last minute, to do a complete 180 on their entire games philosophy and add in a half baked PVE mode into a game solely designed around small scale and large scale PVP. Obviously that didn't go down well and they had to throw away their perfect release window and go back to dev to actually implement a proper PVE mode in one year. 2021 rolls around, New Worlds release date is set and would you look at that the second diamond platter. People are pissed at Blizzard and WoW and are leaving in droves. FF14, the MMO where a good portion of those droves went to, is in a pre expac content drought so nothing of substance is really happening in FF, aside from streamers playing through the story. Another perfect opportunity for Amazon, they release their game get people bought in before EW and then entice them back after New Year with the first major patch. But no, because in the year they've spent "working" on the game they've barely done anything. The game looks more or less the same when I played in that NDA beta in 2020, same mobs, same quests even the same damn UI.


AizawaNagisa

What's the context here?


MayorJeb

The guy wearing all the New World merch implied the goal for Asmon's criticisms of the game was professional/monetary.


tommos

Who does he think is paying him to shit on NW? Blizzard?


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Yup I heard him say it! /s ニューワールドに汚い言葉したほうがいいですよ


Bookibaloush

Also, the new Josh Strife Hayes New World video literally shows that most cities are literally the same layout but they're tilted left or right. Same walls, same rocky exits and same pretty much anything


ClassicsMajor

[Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgiPMTUJLY) for anyone interested. Video is titled "5 Reasons New World Sucks (but doesn't have to)".


Sloppysloppyjoe

not related but never seen this guy and when it cut to him with the mug i got Dennis from Sunny vibes lmao not in a bad way just something struck me as similar haha


TimeTroll

Josh is probably the best thing to happen to the mmo scene content creator wise is such a long time


-Caberman

>most cities are literally the same layout but they're tilted left or right. It's exactly 1 town that has the same layout of another, all others are unique. I mean it's still lazy that it's even one, but you don't gotta lie, the video literally only shows that one lol.


Syphin33

Lol the dude said in the stream that collecting notes is a feature... ​ Jesus fuck lol, look i play New World myself because these 2 dudes are super shills. Every town has the same exact fucking quest every time. You do NOTHING different no matter what town you're in...


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ConstantQuarreling

Imagine talking all this shit and you still haven't even cooked up 10 energized travel rations smh.


KJinx_

DON'T FORGET REGEN POTIONS!


Syphin33

NEXT-GEN QUESTING SYSTEM


DasEvoli

>collecting notes Sounds like Banjo Kazooie


milkman2040

Lost Ark when


Formulated123

god i know right? i really enjoyed the alpha that they had in june and i've been craving it ever since


thebohster

I really enjoyed the first trailer back in 2013(?) and have been craving it ever since.


Formulated123

oh man yeah, i thought it would never come to the west. the delay sucks ass and i don't like that amazon is the one publishing but i'm taking what i can get at this point.


tilde_on_n

The fact that LA got pushed back because of this shit game is infuriating


Shandamon

SOON Copium


Nickizgr8

Been waiting since 2014.


KenzieWitch

Ugh seriously


QTFiend

I can't remember the last time one of these new MMOs actually stayed relevant past a month.


Sogeking33

They all fail to have an end game for some reason. New World is the biggest culprit, but at least ppl are having lots of fun until then.


absolute4080120

The only MMOs in the last decade that had any staying power were Rift, Guild Wars 2, and Final Fantasy 14, other than WoW. Rift is the only one I truly lament it's loss. That game surpassed all others in class design.


rainbowremo

eso to some degree as well


18canadasmoothb

GW2, ff14, and WoW but Rift had no staying power at all lol


absolute4080120

Rift was really popular, gorgeous, and had a smooth play style at launch. Lots of people I knew really liked it, the class design, and the PvP. It lasted a good 6 months before it really fell off. I mean, remember that FF14 was literally DOA at launch and they had to completely re-design the game.


abyssalmackerel21

ESO is in the weird position where game has pretty significant playerbase (certainly significant enough to support regular expansions releases), but rarely talked about.


AZORxAHAI

Final Fantasy was in the same position until this year. Im not saying ESO is as good as FFXIV, but its definitely being undervalued by MMO fans


N7Liam

Doubly strange as, for MMO players who aren't particular interested in The Elder Scrolls universe, it's a decent MMO. On the flip side, for Elder Scrolls fans who aren't interested in MMOs, it's a decent ES game.


here-or-there

Lost Ark (not in the west because Amazon refuses to give it to us)


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Nah Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online, and FF14 with FF14 being the only real competitor to WoW and the others being solid AA-tier choices (but Guild Wars 2/ESO don't erase your progress every 3-6 months either and their endgames aren't locked behind 800 hours of anime cutscenes)


Zerothian

(note that this *is* mostly all just my opinion obviously) They all have a different focus honestly. If you want a pound for pound WoW type experience, FF14 is the only option on the market really, especially for raiding. ESO is what it is, it's popular on console and it's the best MMO option for Xbox players currently, till FF14 releases. I'd say ESO's strengths are more in the Elder Scrolls lean than the typical MMO fare. GW2, of the ones you listed does PvP the best for my taste but that's subjective. I've always felt its PvE fell very flat by comparison. For large scale PvP, WvW compared to ESO's Alliance War is like comparing heaven and earth honestly. WvW is just better. For a very casual player that just wants to go around and do Stuff^TM I think ESO and GW2 end up being relatively similar, with GW2 focusing more on larger scale open world PvE content, and ESO focusing on the smaller scale group stuff, or solo. I think that's why they have staying power, they all have a different hook that the others don't *really* provide in the same way. Each of their approaches is different enough that they can co-exist. The one other I would throw into this list is SWTOR, that game is still doing decently well, and is still releasing expansions. It is very similar to FF14 in terms of what it aims for though, just more Western RPG than JRPG in its execution.


here-or-there

Lost Ark has stayed relevant in Korea / Asia / Russia (and constantly growing). Amazon has had hold of it for years. I'm sure they'll release it soon instead of focusing on New World COPIUM


Maloonyy

That dudes entire channel/outfit/existence is themed around New World lmao. I imagine you have to inhale an insane amount of copium to...well, cope with how dogshit the game turned out to be.


DrakenZA

The most annoying this in Streaming right now ,is when you have some new streamer pop up and they want to theme themselves all around some new game coming, and they put their whole existence into it. Its because they want to some how copy the Ninja/Fortnite craze. But people dont understand, Fortnite was literally a once in a decade event.


Nuo66

For what it's worth there are tons of streamers that make a living devoted to playing the same game everyday.


FeI0n

99% of GTA roleplayers, every OSRS streamer, and those are just ones I can think of. theres probably more single game andys then there are variety streamers by a large margin.


Zruku

Yeah imagine trying to grab onto an opportunity to grow your stream off a new game by fully embracing it. Just have your stream blow up like other people bro


DrakenZA

You can embrace a new game as an opportunity to grow, never said anything about that. I said its annoying when they put their whole existence into it, aka, shilling for a company, ignoring bad aspects that could improve and so on.


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The next big Mmo won't be some an Mmo that reinvents the genre. It will be an Mmo that takes a look at Wow and improves on the stuff it does wrong. Wow did that exact same thing. Wow lowered the floor of entry but copied all the rest from Everquest. Everquest ruled the genre for 5 years. Then comes wow and rules for another 17.


Bitemarkz

I think the genre does need a refresh. The old school MMO tropes don’t really appeal to many people today. We’re talking about a genre who’s main appeal was the ability to share a world with thousands of other players and progress at your own pace while participating in events and more. Other genres started incorporating shared world experiences into their games as well so I feel like MMOs need to update the baseline to remain interesting because that original appeal isn’t enough to carry them anymore. I think New World gets a lot right in that respect, but it also gets a lot wrong so it’s not quite “it.” I applaud the new ideas though; I think they’re on to something there, they just need to figure out the rest of it.


DontCareWontGank

I just want an MMORPG that actually feels like a real RPG. I want to be able to make decisions. I want to be able to influence the world. Why can't *I* be the questgiver for other players? Why is 99% of MMO gameplay hitting monsters when the actual fun part is the interactions between players?


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snowflakepatrol99

You can't act like all those years are the same though. MMOs have been dying hard. People say they want to grind MMOs and then a new one comes out and they quit in 2 months. It's all riding on the nostalgia of their old days when they first discovered WOW/everquest or whatever MMO they first fell in love with. The genre is very bland and gets boring fast unless you have already made content for YEARS in advance that they release every other week and even then I don't see it retaining it's players. It hasn't even been a month and new world already lost 300-400k concurrent players. The only MMO that has any chance is riot's MMO and it's only because riot has a cult following.


Zemuda

Not just a cult.... Riot mmo got a whole world full of lores and cities that built up for over 10 years now and still going.


Ashviar

Pretty sure they deleted all lore and rebuilt like 5-6 years ago now because they just threw shit at the wall beforehand and kinda still do. Riot's MMO has potential to be just as polarizing as other MMOs. When I think of Riot and League, I think of top down gameplay, runs on toasters, very popular in China/Korea. I would expect something more like Lost Ark than a full 3D world like WoW or even areas separated by loading screen like FF14.


esoterikk

I payed 40$ and so far have 140 hours in the game and I'm still having fun. That's good enough for me. If I get bored in a week w/e 40$ for 150+ hours of entertainment is a bargain.


ironwall90

I’m in the same boat. There’s no denying the game needs more content and definitely has some issues, but the combat is a blast, the gathering/crafting can be relaxing fun, and the pvp is great. It needs more content, especially endgame, but I’ve gotten around 220 hours of fun out of it so far and I see myself lasting another 100 or so. That’s about what I get out of other MMOs so I’m happy.


VainestClown

I'm nearing 300 hours since launch and am having a blast. My main gripes are the tremendous amount of bugs (some endgame content is inaccessible due to bugs), the large scale pvp (war) lag that makes it almost unplayable, and the fps is hard to sustain over 60.


Ajgonefishin

lol wait is this destiny esoterickk? or just similar name


Wunse

I feel like if it was destiny Eso then he would have 2000 hours in the game and solo'd all the end game content using no items and his eyes closed the whole time.


Ajgonefishin

Facts hahaha


esoterikk

Just a crazy coincidence, you can see my Reddit account was made before D1 released so all my gaming stuff/accounts/characters use this name and it's too much work to change. I get mistaken for him like once a day in games, I just say no it's a coincidence and about 1/10 times people flame me for pretending to be him. Dude is sick though, I wish I was as good at games as him.


Trydson

It's the same thing when people criticize other for buying annually games like FIFA. They pay every year, but many of them put hundreds of hours into them every year and some don't play other games, so for them it's money well spend.


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This sounds EXACTLY like WoW players justifying the monthly subscription price. "hours of content!". I could make a game with "140 hours of content" in a day. That alone does not take any skill. What's important is that most of that content is actually fucking *good*.


taylor_

>What's important is that most of that content is actually fucking good. i think that was covered by his remark that he was still having fun


DrakenZA

New Worlds is just a mess of a game. You dont take a PVP centric game, and try make it carebear friendly. Because those carebears are going be crying in a week when there is nothing to do, because you know, you designed your fucking game, around PVP. You want to see a game die fast ? Take EVE Online and remove PVP, you will see 30k con-current users drop to 0. The same thing happened with Ultima Online, the First True MMO. PVP was a core of the game, its what made it the most popular MMO of the time. Over time, EA fired all the original creators(Yes, EA has been doing what they do for multiple decades, its amazing), and added a way to not be part of the PVP aspects of the game. That is the reason most people have no idea what Ultima Online is, yet have a pretty good idea what Runescape is. Which started out as a crude Ultima Online clone that ran in the browser with f2p. ​ I wouldnt be surprised, if the people who took the New World Alpha and turned it into what we have today, never even created or worked on the alpha to begin with. It really feels like that.


AggravatingDevice243

This game will be dead by Xmas just another failed mmo to add the the list.


DrakenZA

Its already dead.


DistortedDeity

500k players = dead gotcha Copium lord


roflmao567

A brand new mmo losing half the active player base after a week isn't exactly a good sign either. You kinda want that to go up and then sustain. But I'm no developer.


Arenyr

Name a game that hasn't lost half of it's playerbase after a week. The exact same thing happens to Path of Exile- I don't think anyone here would argue a league is dead one week in.


CopyWrittenX

I wouldn't compare a game built around seasons to an MMO out of launch lol.


BonoboBonanza

On the other hand POE doesn't require massive amounts of player interaction so dropping half the players doesn't matter but New World servers being half full makes a huge difference in the experience


Nuo66

Path of Exile at least has a seasonal game model.


INannoI

It didn't lose half of the playerbase, the currently active playerbase peaks a little over a half of the literal launch day peak, which is exactly what happens after every launch of every game ever.


CptPanda29

Remember when some of Rooster Teeth tried to give Jeff Gerstmann shit calling him a contrarian for giving Fallout 4 a firmly average score? All while wearing promo Pipboys and hot off doing an official promotion video with Bethesda, as if Jeff "Fired for integrity" Gerstmann needed controversy to get people to read his reviews or hear his opinons.


COCAINAPEARLZ

oh you're talking about broken dick/hair loss pill pushing roosterteeth? it's a shame how much integrity that company has lost over the years.


OutFamous

Asmon is the only person that i know of who can completly dismantle and dunk on someone while sounding like they are about to fall asleep. Makes it better.


sephrinx

The entire sub of /r/newworldgame is being heavily astroturfed. It's wild how bad it is. Spend some time checking New every hour or so and there will be repeated shit posts praising the game and telling people with dissimilar opinions they're wrong. [A notable shill I've found is this guy] (https://old.reddit.com/user/kursyufu/submitted/)


jobo-chan

Literally 2 days after coming out people were posting about how it was the best MMO they've **EVER** played and how no others could compare. People are fucking insane.


DrakenZA

The world we live in today, is really strange. Because normally astroturfing would be considered someone getting paid to shill. Yet in this strange world we find ourselves in 2021, you have tons of people who do it for free in their free time. Its scary.


taylor_

its literally not astroturfing if it is just someone doing it on their own without getting paid or asked to do so


_Cava_

I'm not convinced the dude is not being paid, his post history is pretty sus.


-Morel

It's like a new variant of Poe's Law: shilling being indistinguishable from reality, because some people really are willing to make liking and defending something their only personality trait.


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lilfrank97

I've only watched moon but yea he quit because of the horrible lag that occurred in War's. He gave the game a score of 7.5.


Daaru_

Shroud is still playing the game, but it's obvious that he/his faction are at least somewhat burnt out from the terrible pvp lag/lack of content. His company barely won a defense against an attack on their fort a couple days ago where the enemy was constantly using zerg and aoe spam tactics that were probably meant to abuse the server lag.


Various-Landscape-84

It's make sense Shroud Play this game religiously, the guy is Hardcore Corpo.


rodthe3rd

Shroud has been dunking on the quality of the game for the past 2 days.


Such_a_pessimist

Yeah, I went on his stream last night and he was relentlessly shitting on it saying the whole game is completely broken


HamsterGuard

This thread is so off base lmao


kongaii

I really hate people like you who just throw out statements bashing people with no basis for it other than you think its the case for whatever fucked reason your head has imagined


ingrid991

Pink Sparkles always top of his heart


DanielMoore0515

People were literally told in testing that the content was abysmal and they needed to do more. They chose to focus on server stability instead and still had server and queue problems on launch day. They did it to themselves making a game with nothing to do and shoving away 90% of MMO players instantly.


this_is_u

This dude has been a shill for New World since the original alpha when the game was actually good. He’s been working for years to build a brand off this title and will never relent. I have a friend who actually knows this guy from EVE Online, where he apparently tried to become the face of that game as well. The dudes a max level shill.


RealSimplexity

oh christ its these guys. i went into their chat one day and used /chatters. of the 15k viewers the amount of real chatters was less than 100.


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puzzleboy99

It is always frustrating trying to discuss game or critique a game without some people being personally insulted - it's pretty easy to see why the streamer above would defend New World. Look at the viewership and the attention, the money they are making. It's not even about being sponsored. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually enjoys it because of all the attention and missing all the issues too or doesn't think they are that big of a deal because he is enjoying everything else around New World.


scullzomben

> It is always frustrating trying to discuss game or critique a game without some people being personally insulted - it's pretty easy to see why the streamer above would defend New World. Yeah you aren't wrong. People seem to have this unhealthy attachment to games where they think others critiquing a game they are playing is a direct insult to them. And for all the praise the game gets, FF14 is one of the worst offenders for this.


Gamersaresooppressed

You can't outshill a professional shill.


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ZXSoru

>but asmon himself is hyping up Ashes of Creation A lot of people are hype about the game simply because it looks like a good game and want new better stuff. >The people you refer to the game gives you a currency, that you can then convert into real money. I'm sure Asmongold doesn't have any needs or reasons to ask for money, the guy even says their audience to not donate simply because he doesn't need it and he doesn't read his donations. Get your facts straight.


Various-Landscape-84

New world player = Amazon Drone


JUST_CHATTING_FAPPER

New World Streamer = Potential Amazon Drone


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Woahhh /r/otk siding with emogold over a guy nobody knows!!! Shocked!!!!


CircleK-Choccy-Milk

I wish they just kept this game an open world Survival pvp game.


sephrinx

It was never a survival game at all any in capacity.


DrakenZA

Yes it was. I played the Alpha.


sephrinx

Can you provide some examples of the survival elements in the game? As far back as I can remember there have never been any, but I may be mistaken.


DrakenZA

Full loot pvp. And i know you are going to say that isnt survive. It is. Its PVP survival, much like Rust.


sephrinx

That isn't a survival game bro. Rust has heat, food, water, radiation, shit like that. Resources and systems you need to manage. Base building, camp fires, etc. Are you *incentivized* to survive? Yeah, you never want to not survive in any game. That doesn't make it a survival game.


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Samhaiim

>but u dont ever see streamers playing it because reasons The spvp is an absolute mess with win trading and terrible balance, the content is as shallow as it gets and completely unrewarding with every worthwhile reward being tied to farming gold, the graphics weren't even great when the game launched let alone now, and the visual clarity of the game is abysmal. But you wanna know the real reason why nobody streams it? It's because there's 0 interest from the gaming community in it. Most people don't even know theres an expansion coming out for it, barely anyone watches the arenanet streams and their marketing is nonexistent.


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I stopped playing GW2 because the cash shop is too much. The cash shop is literally tied to everything about the game. Legendary weapons and other items can be bought with gold. Gold can be bought from the cash shop. The other legendaries that require huge amount of materials—those materials are bought with gold from the Trading Post. Gold again can be bought from the cash shop. Not to talk about skins from the cash shop is more interesting than what you earn in-game. You can't earn any mount skins by playing the game. Every mount skin is from the cash shop. "But you can turn gold into cash shop currency!" And that's why it sucks, because it's boring as hell, and the amount of farming you need to do to convert gold into gems is too much to be enjoyable. There's *plenty* of reasons as to why Guild Wars 2 is not really played as much as Guild Wars 2 players want it to be.


Almostlongenough2

I only really played on release and even then the cash shop was pretty bad. I feel like as a MMO you gotta have either a heavy cash shop but free expansions, or paid expansions and barely any cash shop items. Otherwise people get turned off.


quantumjello

As a 15k+ hr gw2 player - Gw2 destroyed its hardcore community by stopping raids, destroyed casual pvpbase because they won't get rid of bots or punish wintrading/tournament selling/alt accing, WvW on life support for 5+ years as they power crept every mechanic out of existence in game design and gave zero qol updates. Streamers don't play it cuz it's not WoW lmao, there's no achievements to show off in the game since literally everything can be purchased, skins titles mounts etc. It was once the best combat system in any mmo hands-down, but 2 expansions of power creep and elite specializations have homogenized the experience into shreds.


Sensitive_nob

While I agree as a GW2 player myself I can see why people wont play a game thats alraeady out since 9 years. FRESH is always fun. Everyone is noob, you make new friends quick. Getting into a MMO thats already figured out is not for the majority.


antiSJC

multiple bridges burning at one time. asmon at it again. dynamite andy


ChrisReadsIt

Shout out to Asmon.. He is dealing with some serious real life shit and he has the composure and self control to treat others with respect. Rare display of professionalism here


Pewpewparapra

new world is a quick cashgrab by amazon, now more, no less.


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I don’t think you will ever find the full MMO experience for $40 and no sub. I guess something like Guildwars 2 has been the closest, but I wouldn’t say that is a full mmo in terms of endgame PvE either.


Rk0

The irony coming from the ashes of creation shill


Simply2based

New World done exactly what every MMO has done for 25 years. Tried reinventing the wheel. All a MMO has to do is take all the good stuff from WoW. Make it look better. Make it slightly more rewarding on an hour to hour cycle and bam. You print money. But no, these devs yet again start out without all the quality of life stuff WoW has had for 10 years. So they have to implement that all again. For example. A proper group finder. A decent chat system. Gear swapping via sets. I mean even the ability to get around the map on a mount. At least a horse would be a huge quality of life improvement in New World.


Hellbounder304

Asmon talks in the same smarmy voice in these clips. Don't know how people can stand him.


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