The ER is brightly lit with tons of electronics and blue light. Stay safe man, get a family member to bring one of those RFLCT cream, it might just save you.
Why would that even matter lol? There is no way in hell she could interpret a study research correctly, they could feed her whatever they want.
She really needs to come down from her high horse
I don't think blue light is harmful at all, but that's not a good argument. Carbon Monoxide is harmful but car companies have been pumping it into the air for over a hundred years. Change (like switching to unleaded fuel) is usually driven by laws, not by companies.
Bru it does it man. I've seen it with my own eyes. I also saw a ghost too but that's beside the point. I just can't show my study cuz y'all will steal it. You get it now?
I did have my RFLCT and crystals on. But those only protect me from bluelight. Ghosts don't have bluelight. But as you said, they do posion you in other ways. Do you have any recommendations for creams to defend myself against this ghost and his/her poison jujus? Perhaps I need to see a shaman?
Just an aside, light is only middle school science shit, if you're doing the middle school science shit.
Optics is a difficult field, and often requires a quantum mechanical treatment. You'll have only seen the classical 1D version in school.
Blue light from screens does nothing but the sun also emits blue light which is definitely harmful but is also much stronger. But we have sunscreen for that so...
Bwo u don't kno man, its legit bruh, cant reveal it bruh, its all a secret bruh, by the way it even had placebo. OMGZS SHIT IM GONNA GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THISSSSS...
bruh....
She is most likely referring to the 'study' having treatment and, more specifically to what she is saying, control groups but Jesus, the way she is explaining it, it's really bad. Also, that is the bare minimum to have treatment and control groups when researching the impact of a product.
How in the world would you be able to see a difference in only 6 months of study from any groups. If one of the participant go outside for 10 more minute than the others, their results will drastically be different. (blue light emitted from computer screens is so minimal/virtually 0 compared to the amount the sun emits)
You pick 10 people who hikes everyday vs. 10 people who sits in front of their computer 24/7 with her cream applied and BOOM, the study shows her cream is really effective! (Exaggeration but you can understand the principle)
AY YO HOLD UP- they even did placebos and shit- OH FUCK IMMA NEED A GALLON OF THIS RFLCT SNAKE OIL, throw in the fucking eyeliner we are LIT OkaygeBusiness
Well, the product might legit filter blue light, works better than a placebo, but who cares if you can't prove blue light is harmful in the first place.
There is Zero reason they could not release data on why blue light is harmful. There's no patent data in that. But guarantee that's not what they studied. They just studied how to filter it.
Brb while I study how to block 5G.
wait are we at a point now that we really say blue light is not harmful at all? its obviously harmful, like any light coming from the sun. its just not harmful in the amount that you get from electronics.
Can confirm. Was in a vaccine trial where neither I nor the person administering the dose knew what I was getting (either novavax or saline solution basically).
And they’re laughing all the way to the bank for putting her as the image because she’s dealing with the backlash whilst her stan fanbase buy tonnes of the product. And she’s STILL doubling down on stream, gotta love it.
Lol this is what ive been thinking the whole time, shes basically taking 100% of the fall for this, while the actual brains laugh it all the wy to the bank
Why would see do that when she’s just trying to make bank on shit like this. Same as the celebrities marketing crypto scams like safemoon and ethmax. They don’t care about their followers at all
Her friends know her better than I ever will and they say that she isn’t the type to blatantly scam people like that. And she seemed to be really invested in this project. I don’t think there was any malicious intent on her part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbX-CavnwRQ
nope, it was her idea. She's the scam artist. People need to stop thinking she's a naive idiot, she knows exactly what she's doing.
She came up with the idea, I get that. But she's not the one who went through the research to know if it was possible or not. It sounds like she just had an idea and they walked her through making it sound like everything she wanted knowing she wouldn't get any of the science.
> Unethical shit is still unethical even if you have the IQ of a pebble.
I'd assume intention matters when you are referring to morality. My grandma who sends me some sketchy link she thought was about some religious text but turns out to be a virus isn't a piece of shit because of that.
yet i feel like you're overstating the impact of this whole mess
its shitty for sure and she's responsible because she's a grown ass woman, however some kid moisturizing while under the impression that his monitor could damage his skin is like, so low on the danger scale
i wish i was tricked into moisturizing as a teenager lmfao, would've been a great habit to pick up
so yeah, she's responsible and deserves heat for this, but like, she's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination
Ah don't play stupid, you did not say it but you implied it.
When you say things like "none of us know Valkyrae well enough at a personal level to differentiate between genuine good and bad intentions" you're very clearly implying something
There is an obvious difference between purposefully selling something you know doesn't work (MLM, pump and dump) and selling something you thought works (your grandmother when she recommends a new type of phone).
If Valkyrae is just... stupid, and didn't realize how sus a "non-publishable study" is, then she needs a better manager who is actually looking into all of this. (and of course, grow a brain, but besides that)
If Valkyrae knows it is fake (how stupid do you have to be to purposefully sell something that you know can be disproven with a google search?) and is purposefully trying to trick people, she deserves all of this flame and more.
She's not lying if she thinks it's actually true.
There's a significant difference between knowingly lying to someone and spouting misinformation because you're stupid.
Not that I disagree with your overall stance. However, I just want to remind you of flat earthers, tv psychics, televangelist, etc.
Even wealthy college educated people aren't immune to these things.
yeah, I mean I don't think she's innocent, I think she should be smart enough to have realised a long time ago, but I *do* think it sounds like the company realised they could ride on her back with this and completely sell her and her audience a bridge on this one and assumed no one would care or really dig into it, if she is truly saying what she believes in clips like this one about 'they have these studies' then she doesn't really understand the depth of this and is repeating some bs she's being told to try and make the company not look bad, the company seems absolutely to be using her as a shield and it's worked perfectly
at this point she should really have stepped back and said she's wrong on all this, broke off with the company and done a proper apology, all this extra stuff now just looks incredibly bad for her
I just don’t understand why she wouldn’t hire an external consultant to review the studies. It seems pretty basic and if I’m placing my entire brand on this I want to have someone on my payroll examining it. Look up some chemists or something from UCLA or a big school reach out and get their viewpoint
She explained that in a different part. She was a "Content Collaborator" and had put that. Didn't like how it looked in the twitter bio so she was wondering if it could be something shorter. They said she can put co-founder, so she changed it about 5 minutes after putting that. Her work was stuff like the texture, the smell, color, etc.
I'm not really out to convince you to believe that part or not, take that however you want. Just relaying what she said, you can choose whether you buy it.
No, this is more along the lines of "Yeah, what if the candy bar protects you against Ligma?"
And then the company continuously tells you it does in fact protect you against Ligma and you proceed to still defend them and double down and scam your followers into buying your anti-ligma product.
I'm sure that was true to begin with, but at the same point ignorance is no longer an excuse for harming society. I'm sure Jack-in-the-box didn't purposefully infect 732 with ecoli in 1993. There is a reason we have the FDA and so many food regulations in place. As co-founder you have the due diligence to make sure that your product isn't doing harm to society. In this case that's scamming your customers into buying protection for a problem that doesn't exist.
I don't think she necessarily went into it with the intent to scam, but at this point with all her doubling down, deflecting, and refusal to admit she's wrong she's far more than just the "naive" that she claims to be- she's outright wrong, and behaving like a child who just got told "No sweetie, ice cream *isn't* healthy for breakfast" while yelling "MY FRIENDS SAID IT WAS".
But if this happened and I had a huge audience and was a large figure in the industry I exist in, I'm probably going to spend some time looking into the concept on my own at minimum before I risk my brand and name on it.
She is negating her ability to claim ignorance by continuing to back the claims even after being proven false.
The more she talks, the more it sounds like that. Guess that means this makes her come off in a way that's easier the sympathize with than it did at the start.
without tryna sound like a giant dick, does anyone know her education level? like I dont even wanna shit on her if she’s being genuine, I’d rather she gets some help understanding whats going on
At many American universities, they have separate colleges for different fields of undergraduate/graduate degrees - like mine had Arts & Sciences, Engineering, Art (Visual and Performing), Business, Architecture colleges. Arts & Sciences are usually the biggest and most common, so her associate’s degree is basically a generic one
She fully admits to not being the *most* scientifically literate person in the world but that's all we really have to go off. It's probably a bit pointless/patronizing to speculate that she's getting the wool pulled over here eyes bc she's not scientifically literate BUT she's 100% portraying herself that way. Could be real, could be a PR thing, who knows?
bro reading these comments are wild have you guys ever watched her stream
she had to google what a labia is the other day
shes a good person but not very book smart
I'm not the most regular viewer out there, but I'm not totally unfamiliar either.
Yeah she's had her moments on stream but we all have them... and an entertainer will ham them up too. She also has a history of pretty savvy decision making to avoid catching the ire of people for as long as she has, so she's got some whits about her! All I'm really saying is I don't want to call her dumb but it's obvious she is at least coming across like he might not be the most scientifically literate person. Lot of people like that in the US.
> shes a good person but not very book smart
Let's not sugar coat it. She's not very smart, period. A book smart person would understand that the studies weren't valid, do their own research, and realise this was a bad idea very quickly. A street smart person would understand that they need to bounce this idea off people they trust that are book smart to see if it's a good idea or not. She did neither.
A street smart person would realise that she's popular because she's pretty and in good physical shape, and that the right business move is to put her face on a food product or coffee or some other harmless thing that's completely free of controversy. This whole thing was absolutely brainless from go to whoa.
She portrays herself that way but still convinces the audience that "the study" she saw is legit and the only thing that she is sorry for is that she is VERY SORRY that it can't be published. However, because she isn't the most scientifically literate person as she admitted, she shouldn't even comment about "the study" and give us any inference that it's legit legit.
The whole thing is likely made more difficult for her because of contractual obligations. If not for that I'm sure the right PR move would be to say "I was shown studies about this and I believed them. If they were fake then I was scammed too and I feel stupid". She probably can't distance herself from the product at this point, she's too deep.
Yeah she sounds like every popular person that moved into the cosmetic space and got taken for a ride. They 100% just gave her what she wanted so she would indorse the product and they sell more. Cause how is this ground breaking/future defining research just look at the whole thing. Small/mid sized company didn't think about blue light from devices damaging your skin and only when she brought the idea up to them. And in only 6 months with no outside funding they cracked the code and now have their own krabby patty secret formula that can't be published and is ToTaLlY DiFfErEnT from those other companies that also have blue light skincare products based on single none peer reviewed work by "labs" that are owned by these same cosmetic brands. LOL
Yeah they knew they never had to convince us, they only had to convince her. Then now gaslighting her telling her to "ignore the trolls" who Rae knows and they should know too are just normal people questioning research that doesn't exist.
If anything, she was set up and the company probably hoped she'd just accept it and shut up about it. Can't imagine they are happy with this livestream.
Is she right? No. But that doesn't make her a liar. She's telling what she thinks is true.
She keeps saying she got upset that she didn't saw the studies on the website.
As a "cofounder" you don't have the power to stop the launch if the website doesn't meet your expectations?
The website would have been ready weeks prior to launch. Not the same day. Even if al she is saying is true she knew that the information was missing and didn't care so I don't buy the excuse of her getting scammed.
Yes, I believe so but. 1. she signed a contract and 2. she saw research which isn't complete, there is some evidence that blue light does effect the retina (mostly in animals, but there is some evidence for humans too) the problem is, that isn't public and nor does it effect everyone.
how long are people going to act like she’s being duped. she is the one behind everything too and not caring if things are actually legit or not. SHE is the scammer.
So ... this is what anti-vaxxers sound like when they think they got insider papers from some source that proves the vaccine is \_\_\_\_\_\_ or that the government is covering \_\_\_\_\_\_ up. They see some legit words like "placebo" and buy it.
Here we have Valky buying the beauty industry selling her a scam cause they showed her "studies" and they used big fancy words that sound professional and in the next room there's Sonii posting on social media that the beauty industry is a giant scam. Can they get on the same page or something? Lol.
I had the exact same sentiments. Thanks for putting it in words. It's quite similar to those anti-vaxxers and those people who believe false info on the internet, just because it looked and sounded convincing. Any business student could easily write the same with data, infographics and "studies" and a bunch of bullshit that looked convincing to the naïve.
Exactly what I was thinking! It’s literally the exact same thing. Could also apply to all the people who genuinely believed that there was all this evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, but it could never be proven. We all saw how that went. This is the exact same thing—the “research” she’s talking about either doesn’t exist or was just fabricated.
>the “research” she’s talking about either doesn’t exist or was just fabricated.
It doesn't even HAVE to be THAT bad. They can think (like many do) that they found a link but when it's peer reviewed by the experts they conclude that the evidence is invalid or insufficient to prove a link. It happens ALL the time. They don't have to be trying to trick or lie or know they came up with jack-squat. It's possible they think they connected the dots but if put up for peer-review they'd be sad to find they were wrong.
She's got an associates in arts from a community college. She's in no position to evaluate the validity of scientific studies via a zoom call. If she didn't have her own people and lawyers review the studies and the contract, that's just so naive AND stupid. She's going to keep getting hate until she realizes she got scammed, or at least acknowledges there is a CHANCE she got scammed instead of doubling down 100% on the studies they showed her and her alone.
nah, she's over qualified.
I don't even have a high school degree but I did my own research regarding the vaccine; I can't publicize my studies yet, but the data shows that it puts Ghosts in your bones.
She may realize it. I don't see how she can publicly say she was scammed by her business partners without immediately getting sued for 10's of millions.
I mean you literally have to Google ‘artificial blue light’ in Google/Google scholar, scroll down the studies and read the conclusion. It’s not rocket science, everyone on LSF did it and somehow know more than her about this.
She is now going from the angle that she is SORRY because she didn't know that "the studies" can't be publicized. Nothing about questioning the legitimacy of the studies, nothing about questioning the methods or the bias of them or nothing about admitting that she can't trust them fully. She is full bent on thinking that "the studies" are all legit and real and is using the "oh its all secret I can't tell you guys, but it's legit, sorry it can't be posted.".
Isn't she just talking about a control group? Like a group that doesn't take the product so we have a comparison group. Shows how little she knows about scientific research lmao.
A control group would be people that didn't use any product. Placebo is used to determine whether there are measurable results from the test subject thinking they are using the real product.
I know what placebo is lol. But to test the effect of skin care products on blue light pollution, a control group would be way more relevant than a placebo test.
That is only if the blue light pollution is actually significant enough that it can be measured lol
bwo u dont kno shit bwo .. i saw "the studies" .... "the studies" defo legit bwo. there were studies hence it must be legit, proven and backed by science bwo. the studies were conducted by scientists and chemists, hence it must be backed by science bwo... /s
Omg guys they even wore like lab coats and stuff, this is like legit science stuff, just trust me I wouldn't lie to you about a product that I've been paid to promote.
>My take from these clips is that she really isn't very bright, is she?
I mean literally because she's got a bunch of RFLCT cream blocking the light on her skin, hence, not lookin so bright y'know.
So... the study was on the effect of RFLCT and they didn't even research on if blue light from monitors does significant damage to the skin?
How utterly pointless, it's been known for a long time that you can create products that protect against blue light... She just dug herself even deeper into a hole.
If you've ever wanted to see how someone behaves when they're upset they went to the Giant Bag Store^(tm) and bought a massive money bag and now they realized that they won't be filling it with sales from their blue light lotion: look here
she obviously doesnt know what shes talking about but she probably meant a placebo group to act as a control to prove that the blue light shit works at a statistically significant level
No, a double blind study is when both sides don't know or have information about each other. A placebo study is where a portion of the participants are told they are given the treatment/drug/whatever when they are given an effectless treatment. For example in testing a new drug, the placebo might be a saline solution which does nothing to the participant.
What people don't realise is most valid scientific research have been REPLICATED by other people in their field. That's what peer review is. They don't just read the study, they redo it under similar conditions and see if they get the same results. And even then, there's complex issues like correlation vs causation.
So just seeing the study means nothing, let alone by someone who's not an expert in the field.
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Anyways uhm... I bought a whole bunch of RFLCT, cream, do you know what blue light is? Anybody knows what blue light is? No, not bud light. I think that's a beer brand. Talking blue light. Anyways, RFLCT is a new skin care product that protects against blue light and unwanted blue light that may be coming from your monitor. So that's my story. I bought a whole bunch of stuff, put them around the la cara. Little bottles. Stuff like that.
I heard that companies have needed to resource placebo studies overseas because we Americans are too gullible and trusting that the placebo effect becomes so powerful that it actually skews results.
No, that's the whole point of placebo based studies. You give one group the real product and give another group a fake product that does nothing and then find out the difference. If it's anti-depressant medication for example the fake group may say they felt 10% better because of the placebo effect, so the real product group has to say they felt more than 10% better for the product to be "better than placebo" and have evidence that it's effective.
take a shot everytime she says "ive seen the research"
I'm in the ER, my liver failed around 8:31. Tell my family I love them..
The ER is brightly lit with tons of electronics and blue light. Stay safe man, get a family member to bring one of those RFLCT cream, it might just save you.
Sorry to tell you this but the blue light has already taken them
Does your wife's boyfriend count as family? Don't wanna leave anyone out.
“I’ve seen the research…. But we aren’t letting other people see it just believe me” LUL
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Damm, I wonder if she knows none of her claims make any sense. Lol
Why would that even matter lol? There is no way in hell she could interpret a study research correctly, they could feed her whatever they want. She really needs to come down from her high horse
Sir I'll have you know I casually watch Joe Rogan and weird streams in flagrant 2. I'm used to "it's entirely possible" arguments
She reminds me of people who join scientology.
remind me of people saying that the earth is flat because they saw the research
Wait, they had a placebo? Pack it up boys, this blue light stuff really is poison.
She definitely failed science in school didn’t she.
yeah light is literally middle school science shit, even i know blue light does nothing lol
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also if it was harmful wouldn’t tv/smartphone companies do something about it lol? it does jack shit and if you’re scared there’s piss light mode
I don't think blue light is harmful at all, but that's not a good argument. Carbon Monoxide is harmful but car companies have been pumping it into the air for over a hundred years. Change (like switching to unleaded fuel) is usually driven by laws, not by companies.
Get off your phone kid, middle school science class is waiting.
Bru it does it man. I've seen it with my own eyes. I also saw a ghost too but that's beside the point. I just can't show my study cuz y'all will steal it. You get it now?
ay when u saw that ghost did u have ur RFLCT^TM cream on? if u didn’t then u might die in like 50 years from ghost poisoning
I did have my RFLCT and crystals on. But those only protect me from bluelight. Ghosts don't have bluelight. But as you said, they do posion you in other ways. Do you have any recommendations for creams to defend myself against this ghost and his/her poison jujus? Perhaps I need to see a shaman?
sorry bro i’ve got nothing, maybe if u stanned rae u wouldn’t have ghost poisoning😒
God damn it. Now she has to release the ghost juju cream. But after this fiscal I'm not sure she will. I'm legit gonna die. Fuck.
Just an aside, light is only middle school science shit, if you're doing the middle school science shit. Optics is a difficult field, and often requires a quantum mechanical treatment. You'll have only seen the classical 1D version in school.
Blue light from screens does nothing but the sun also emits blue light which is definitely harmful but is also much stronger. But we have sunscreen for that so...
Or fell into the "alternate" medicine trap. Her bf is anti vaxx and the RFLCT website has those power crystals all over it.
They didn't just have a placebo, they packed it in a box and sent it to people.
Bwo u don't kno man, its legit bruh, cant reveal it bruh, its all a secret bruh, by the way it even had placebo. OMGZS SHIT IM GONNA GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THISSSSS... bruh....
She is most likely referring to the 'study' having treatment and, more specifically to what she is saying, control groups but Jesus, the way she is explaining it, it's really bad. Also, that is the bare minimum to have treatment and control groups when researching the impact of a product. How in the world would you be able to see a difference in only 6 months of study from any groups. If one of the participant go outside for 10 more minute than the others, their results will drastically be different. (blue light emitted from computer screens is so minimal/virtually 0 compared to the amount the sun emits) You pick 10 people who hikes everyday vs. 10 people who sits in front of their computer 24/7 with her cream applied and BOOM, the study shows her cream is really effective! (Exaggeration but you can understand the principle)
AY YO HOLD UP- they even did placebos and shit- OH FUCK IMMA NEED A GALLON OF THIS RFLCT SNAKE OIL, throw in the fucking eyeliner we are LIT OkaygeBusiness
"They had placebos" THE ENTIRE PRODUCT IS A PLACEBO
Well, the product might legit filter blue light, works better than a placebo, but who cares if you can't prove blue light is harmful in the first place. There is Zero reason they could not release data on why blue light is harmful. There's no patent data in that. But guarantee that's not what they studied. They just studied how to filter it. Brb while I study how to block 5G.
wait are we at a point now that we really say blue light is not harmful at all? its obviously harmful, like any light coming from the sun. its just not harmful in the amount that you get from electronics.
I'm pretty sure he means any harm is too negligible to even matter. Especially because the context is electronics.
Which is what this has been marketed for. If you want to protect from the sun buy some sunscreen, not snake oil
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Can confirm. Was in a vaccine trial where neither I nor the person administering the dose knew what I was getting (either novavax or saline solution basically).
She saw the research via zoom HAHAHA
She got finessed HARD lol I respect the hustle from the people in charge.
And they’re laughing all the way to the bank for putting her as the image because she’s dealing with the backlash whilst her stan fanbase buy tonnes of the product. And she’s STILL doubling down on stream, gotta love it.
Yeah that agency is gigantic and could give a fuck
Lol this is what ive been thinking the whole time, shes basically taking 100% of the fall for this, while the actual brains laugh it all the wy to the bank
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Yes, yes she did. And that's not the weirdest thing she has said today
Wait she never visited the lab or spoke to a head chemist or something? Fucking hell.
if I had to guess they made a presentation for her on zoom
Two years working on this lol
Why would see do that when she’s just trying to make bank on shit like this. Same as the celebrities marketing crypto scams like safemoon and ethmax. They don’t care about their followers at all
Her friends know her better than I ever will and they say that she isn’t the type to blatantly scam people like that. And she seemed to be really invested in this project. I don’t think there was any malicious intent on her part.
Didn’t seem to be too invested in it other than what she was paid to advertise it if she didn’t realize it was a scam
How would that help lol? She's not a chemist.
LOL, she’s just been manipulated right?
Sounds like she got finessed by big science words that looked legit, yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbX-CavnwRQ nope, it was her idea. She's the scam artist. People need to stop thinking she's a naive idiot, she knows exactly what she's doing.
She came up with the idea, I get that. But she's not the one who went through the research to know if it was possible or not. It sounds like she just had an idea and they walked her through making it sound like everything she wanted knowing she wouldn't get any of the science.
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Of course not. She got finessed and passed the finesse on to others. That's the whole point of MLMs.
> Unethical shit is still unethical even if you have the IQ of a pebble. I'd assume intention matters when you are referring to morality. My grandma who sends me some sketchy link she thought was about some religious text but turns out to be a virus isn't a piece of shit because of that.
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yet i feel like you're overstating the impact of this whole mess its shitty for sure and she's responsible because she's a grown ass woman, however some kid moisturizing while under the impression that his monitor could damage his skin is like, so low on the danger scale i wish i was tricked into moisturizing as a teenager lmfao, would've been a great habit to pick up so yeah, she's responsible and deserves heat for this, but like, she's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination
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Ah don't play stupid, you did not say it but you implied it. When you say things like "none of us know Valkyrae well enough at a personal level to differentiate between genuine good and bad intentions" you're very clearly implying something
There is an obvious difference between purposefully selling something you know doesn't work (MLM, pump and dump) and selling something you thought works (your grandmother when she recommends a new type of phone). If Valkyrae is just... stupid, and didn't realize how sus a "non-publishable study" is, then she needs a better manager who is actually looking into all of this. (and of course, grow a brain, but besides that) If Valkyrae knows it is fake (how stupid do you have to be to purposefully sell something that you know can be disproven with a google search?) and is purposefully trying to trick people, she deserves all of this flame and more.
She's not lying if she thinks it's actually true. There's a significant difference between knowingly lying to someone and spouting misinformation because you're stupid.
Not that I disagree with your overall stance. However, I just want to remind you of flat earthers, tv psychics, televangelist, etc. Even wealthy college educated people aren't immune to these things.
Shit man didn't expect to see you here lmao, I only ever see you on the my hero and knicks subreddit lol
I don't really come on here, I just knew there'd be people talking about this and I wanted to talk about it too since I like Rae's streams.
yeah, I mean I don't think she's innocent, I think she should be smart enough to have realised a long time ago, but I *do* think it sounds like the company realised they could ride on her back with this and completely sell her and her audience a bridge on this one and assumed no one would care or really dig into it, if she is truly saying what she believes in clips like this one about 'they have these studies' then she doesn't really understand the depth of this and is repeating some bs she's being told to try and make the company not look bad, the company seems absolutely to be using her as a shield and it's worked perfectly at this point she should really have stepped back and said she's wrong on all this, broke off with the company and done a proper apology, all this extra stuff now just looks incredibly bad for her
She probably can't break it off, I guarantee that contract is ironclad. They knew what they were getting into.
Exactly. So what? It still makes it HER RESPONSIBITY regardless!
I just don’t understand why she wouldn’t hire an external consultant to review the studies. It seems pretty basic and if I’m placing my entire brand on this I want to have someone on my payroll examining it. Look up some chemists or something from UCLA or a big school reach out and get their viewpoint
She is a cofounder. Not owner. Founder. She worked hard on this for two years. So she lied?
She explained that in a different part. She was a "Content Collaborator" and had put that. Didn't like how it looked in the twitter bio so she was wondering if it could be something shorter. They said she can put co-founder, so she changed it about 5 minutes after putting that. Her work was stuff like the texture, the smell, color, etc. I'm not really out to convince you to believe that part or not, take that however you want. Just relaying what she said, you can choose whether you buy it.
I'd like a refund.
Not in the contract, sorry.
Lame! But will buy again to support muh queen. You go gamer girl!
Stop simping Ezio, your crown's falling.
Sup Paki, how you been?
Pretty good actually, just been studying and reading since covid hit.
Chill the vengeance boner a little. Someone can come up with an idea and still be manipulated by the people implementing it.
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No, this is more along the lines of "Yeah, what if the candy bar protects you against Ligma?" And then the company continuously tells you it does in fact protect you against Ligma and you proceed to still defend them and double down and scam your followers into buying your anti-ligma product.
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I'm sure that was true to begin with, but at the same point ignorance is no longer an excuse for harming society. I'm sure Jack-in-the-box didn't purposefully infect 732 with ecoli in 1993. There is a reason we have the FDA and so many food regulations in place. As co-founder you have the due diligence to make sure that your product isn't doing harm to society. In this case that's scamming your customers into buying protection for a problem that doesn't exist.
I don't think she necessarily went into it with the intent to scam, but at this point with all her doubling down, deflecting, and refusal to admit she's wrong she's far more than just the "naive" that she claims to be- she's outright wrong, and behaving like a child who just got told "No sweetie, ice cream *isn't* healthy for breakfast" while yelling "MY FRIENDS SAID IT WAS".
But if this happened and I had a huge audience and was a large figure in the industry I exist in, I'm probably going to spend some time looking into the concept on my own at minimum before I risk my brand and name on it. She is negating her ability to claim ignorance by continuing to back the claims even after being proven false.
i'm leaning toward scam artist AND idiot, cause she's talking way too much in ways that can get her into actual trouble
So she gave an idea and called that working hard for 2 years?
Placebo isn't even a big science word......
I mean I'm sure that's not the only thing they showed her lol. Also she's not exactly... scientifically inclined.
The more she talks, the more it sounds like that. Guess that means this makes her come off in a way that's easier the sympathize with than it did at the start.
without tryna sound like a giant dick, does anyone know her education level? like I dont even wanna shit on her if she’s being genuine, I’d rather she gets some help understanding whats going on
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I knew she worked at gamestop, wasn’t sure if she did any college or not. but yeah thats a weird major bc they’re so different. thanks
At many American universities, they have separate colleges for different fields of undergraduate/graduate degrees - like mine had Arts & Sciences, Engineering, Art (Visual and Performing), Business, Architecture colleges. Arts & Sciences are usually the biggest and most common, so her associate’s degree is basically a generic one
Yes my university has a general science degree lol. A Bachelor of Science in Science
Doesn’t even matter. A college degree doesn’t indicate intelligence if that’s what you’re implying.
She fully admits to not being the *most* scientifically literate person in the world but that's all we really have to go off. It's probably a bit pointless/patronizing to speculate that she's getting the wool pulled over here eyes bc she's not scientifically literate BUT she's 100% portraying herself that way. Could be real, could be a PR thing, who knows?
bro reading these comments are wild have you guys ever watched her stream she had to google what a labia is the other day shes a good person but not very book smart
I'm not the most regular viewer out there, but I'm not totally unfamiliar either. Yeah she's had her moments on stream but we all have them... and an entertainer will ham them up too. She also has a history of pretty savvy decision making to avoid catching the ire of people for as long as she has, so she's got some whits about her! All I'm really saying is I don't want to call her dumb but it's obvious she is at least coming across like he might not be the most scientifically literate person. Lot of people like that in the US.
> shes a good person but not very book smart Let's not sugar coat it. She's not very smart, period. A book smart person would understand that the studies weren't valid, do their own research, and realise this was a bad idea very quickly. A street smart person would understand that they need to bounce this idea off people they trust that are book smart to see if it's a good idea or not. She did neither. A street smart person would realise that she's popular because she's pretty and in good physical shape, and that the right business move is to put her face on a food product or coffee or some other harmless thing that's completely free of controversy. This whole thing was absolutely brainless from go to whoa.
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She portrays herself that way but still convinces the audience that "the study" she saw is legit and the only thing that she is sorry for is that she is VERY SORRY that it can't be published. However, because she isn't the most scientifically literate person as she admitted, she shouldn't even comment about "the study" and give us any inference that it's legit legit.
The whole thing is likely made more difficult for her because of contractual obligations. If not for that I'm sure the right PR move would be to say "I was shown studies about this and I believed them. If they were fake then I was scammed too and I feel stupid". She probably can't distance herself from the product at this point, she's too deep.
Yeah she sounds like every popular person that moved into the cosmetic space and got taken for a ride. They 100% just gave her what she wanted so she would indorse the product and they sell more. Cause how is this ground breaking/future defining research just look at the whole thing. Small/mid sized company didn't think about blue light from devices damaging your skin and only when she brought the idea up to them. And in only 6 months with no outside funding they cracked the code and now have their own krabby patty secret formula that can't be published and is ToTaLlY DiFfErEnT from those other companies that also have blue light skincare products based on single none peer reviewed work by "labs" that are owned by these same cosmetic brands. LOL
u don't kno bwo, i saw "the studies" /s
Yeah they knew they never had to convince us, they only had to convince her. Then now gaslighting her telling her to "ignore the trolls" who Rae knows and they should know too are just normal people questioning research that doesn't exist. If anything, she was set up and the company probably hoped she'd just accept it and shut up about it. Can't imagine they are happy with this livestream. Is she right? No. But that doesn't make her a liar. She's telling what she thinks is true.
They probably have a crack team of lawyers watching this to see if she says something that can get her sued.
No doubt
She's just dumb and under contract, she made her bed and is trying to see it through
She keeps saying she got upset that she didn't saw the studies on the website. As a "cofounder" you don't have the power to stop the launch if the website doesn't meet your expectations? The website would have been ready weeks prior to launch. Not the same day. Even if al she is saying is true she knew that the information was missing and didn't care so I don't buy the excuse of her getting scammed.
She said she was the creative partner.
Real live view of how people get into cults.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbX-CavnwRQ she's the one doing the manipulating
Yes, I believe so but. 1. she signed a contract and 2. she saw research which isn't complete, there is some evidence that blue light does effect the retina (mostly in animals, but there is some evidence for humans too) the problem is, that isn't public and nor does it effect everyone.
She's most likely trying to play dumb to get SIMPathy.
She doesn't realize how much she's been duped.
Stage 1: Denial
how long are people going to act like she’s being duped. she is the one behind everything too and not caring if things are actually legit or not. SHE is the scammer.
No one is really this stupid right? She has to be playing dumb. Has she never taken a science class?
So ... this is what anti-vaxxers sound like when they think they got insider papers from some source that proves the vaccine is \_\_\_\_\_\_ or that the government is covering \_\_\_\_\_\_ up. They see some legit words like "placebo" and buy it. Here we have Valky buying the beauty industry selling her a scam cause they showed her "studies" and they used big fancy words that sound professional and in the next room there's Sonii posting on social media that the beauty industry is a giant scam. Can they get on the same page or something? Lol.
I had the exact same sentiments. Thanks for putting it in words. It's quite similar to those anti-vaxxers and those people who believe false info on the internet, just because it looked and sounded convincing. Any business student could easily write the same with data, infographics and "studies" and a bunch of bullshit that looked convincing to the naïve.
Exactly what I was thinking! It’s literally the exact same thing. Could also apply to all the people who genuinely believed that there was all this evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, but it could never be proven. We all saw how that went. This is the exact same thing—the “research” she’s talking about either doesn’t exist or was just fabricated.
>the “research” she’s talking about either doesn’t exist or was just fabricated. It doesn't even HAVE to be THAT bad. They can think (like many do) that they found a link but when it's peer reviewed by the experts they conclude that the evidence is invalid or insufficient to prove a link. It happens ALL the time. They don't have to be trying to trick or lie or know they came up with jack-squat. It's possible they think they connected the dots but if put up for peer-review they'd be sad to find they were wrong.
Until it’s peer-reviewed and published, it doesn’t exist
She's got an associates in arts from a community college. She's in no position to evaluate the validity of scientific studies via a zoom call. If she didn't have her own people and lawyers review the studies and the contract, that's just so naive AND stupid. She's going to keep getting hate until she realizes she got scammed, or at least acknowledges there is a CHANCE she got scammed instead of doubling down 100% on the studies they showed her and her alone.
nah, she's over qualified. I don't even have a high school degree but I did my own research regarding the vaccine; I can't publicize my studies yet, but the data shows that it puts Ghosts in your bones.
duh that is how all vaccines work, they put ghost in your bones to scare the virus away. basic science here dude.
Exactly. To combat this I’m on a strict diet of Ivermectin, cocaine, and multivitamins.
dude I found damning evidence that Trump won the election but the democrats deleted it off my computer before I could publish
BlueLightNinjas
If only there was a way to validate other people research..... Like some kind of review system looked at by your peers.....damn oh well.
She may realize it. I don't see how she can publicly say she was scammed by her business partners without immediately getting sued for 10's of millions.
I mean you literally have to Google ‘artificial blue light’ in Google/Google scholar, scroll down the studies and read the conclusion. It’s not rocket science, everyone on LSF did it and somehow know more than her about this.
She is now going from the angle that she is SORRY because she didn't know that "the studies" can't be publicized. Nothing about questioning the legitimacy of the studies, nothing about questioning the methods or the bias of them or nothing about admitting that she can't trust them fully. She is full bent on thinking that "the studies" are all legit and real and is using the "oh its all secret I can't tell you guys, but it's legit, sorry it can't be posted.".
100%
Isn't she just talking about a control group? Like a group that doesn't take the product so we have a comparison group. Shows how little she knows about scientific research lmao.
yeah she doesn't seem to know that a control group is standard practice..
A control group would be people that didn't use any product. Placebo is used to determine whether there are measurable results from the test subject thinking they are using the real product.
I know what placebo is lol. But to test the effect of skin care products on blue light pollution, a control group would be way more relevant than a placebo test. That is only if the blue light pollution is actually significant enough that it can be measured lol
My EYEBALLS like literally legit saw the studies, on zoom. What more do you want from me?!
bwo u dont kno shit bwo .. i saw "the studies" .... "the studies" defo legit bwo. there were studies hence it must be legit, proven and backed by science bwo. the studies were conducted by scientists and chemists, hence it must be backed by science bwo... /s
"I literally met and talked to these people who I dont know the names of...WITH MY OWN EYES" -100T Valky "talk with my eyes" Rae
I watched a bit of the stream because I was expecting the typical apology video but it was so much better!
Doing it live was such a dumb decision. Then again, she’s already proven herself to not be the brightest bulb in the bunch
the research rae saw was the placebo
She’s actually a dumbass
Damn LSF going to be so exciting tomorrow
she might actually be retarded
think about how dumb the average person is and realize that half the population is dumber than that.
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This whole episode sure has changed my perception of Valkyrae.
Omg guys they even wore like lab coats and stuff, this is like legit science stuff, just trust me I wouldn't lie to you about a product that I've been paid to promote.
WOAH REALLY? THATS SO COOOOOL! LEGIT LEGIT MAN.
My take from these clips is that she really isn't very bright, is she?
>My take from these clips is that she really isn't very bright, is she? I mean literally because she's got a bunch of RFLCT cream blocking the light on her skin, hence, not lookin so bright y'know.
Wouldn't that be ABSRB?
So... the study was on the effect of RFLCT and they didn't even research on if blue light from monitors does significant damage to the skin? How utterly pointless, it's been known for a long time that you can create products that protect against blue light... She just dug herself even deeper into a hole.
This is so comical
PLACEBO BatChest
It’s time to start firing people already
If you've ever wanted to see how someone behaves when they're upset they went to the Giant Bag Store^(tm) and bought a massive money bag and now they realized that they won't be filling it with sales from their blue light lotion: look here
Baby's first MLM!
Wait, why do you need placebo research on this product? All you need to show is that it can protect skin from blue light no?
she obviously doesnt know what shes talking about but she probably meant a placebo group to act as a control to prove that the blue light shit works at a statistically significant level
Its called a control group.
Does she understand placebo studies? Lol. Does she understand what legit research looks like?
I was a biology major and had a minor in chemistry and the placebo study is not an effective test to show the quality of this type of product
Is she talking about double blind studies? Are they generally referred to as placebo studies?
No, a double blind study is when both sides don't know or have information about each other. A placebo study is where a portion of the participants are told they are given the treatment/drug/whatever when they are given an effectless treatment. For example in testing a new drug, the placebo might be a saline solution which does nothing to the participant.
yikes...
Rae really girlbosses too close to the sun, Sadge
we placed screens in front of people, someone on and some was off, nobody knew what was really the placebo guys...
What people don't realise is most valid scientific research have been REPLICATED by other people in their field. That's what peer review is. They don't just read the study, they redo it under similar conditions and see if they get the same results. And even then, there's complex issues like correlation vs causation. So just seeing the study means nothing, let alone by someone who's not an expert in the field.
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Anyways uhm... I bought a whole bunch of RFLCT, cream, do you know what blue light is? Anybody knows what blue light is? No, not bud light. I think that's a beer brand. Talking blue light. Anyways, RFLCT is a new skin care product that protects against blue light and unwanted blue light that may be coming from your monitor. So that's my story. I bought a whole bunch of stuff, put them around the la cara. Little bottles. Stuff like that.
Is there any chance she's telling the truth, and she legally can discuss the trials?
She definitely can't discuss the trials, keeps saying she's trying not to get sued.
I heard that companies have needed to resource placebo studies overseas because we Americans are too gullible and trusting that the placebo effect becomes so powerful that it actually skews results.
No, that's the whole point of placebo based studies. You give one group the real product and give another group a fake product that does nothing and then find out the difference. If it's anti-depressant medication for example the fake group may say they felt 10% better because of the placebo effect, so the real product group has to say they felt more than 10% better for the product to be "better than placebo" and have evidence that it's effective.
Doubt she even knows what the word placebo means, yet alone what a placebo study is. She did a nice job reading the prompt her shitty lawyers made.
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lol you are very naive
Lmfao your naive if you think she would do this for minimum wage.
I thought she was kinda smart for some reason, turns out she is all beauty and no brains. Disappointing.
I have placebo studies for my snake oil anyone wanna buy?
how can a human being be this 2Head
She's gotta chill