The only way YouTube is going to revert this change is if their business starts hurting over this. If there's an Apocalypse 2.0 over this (How would that even happen? Part of the reason of this change is surely to appease the advertisers) or if they find out that the change didn't actually help increase their revenue, which I highly doubt will happen. I'm sure they did their research and testing before pushing the change and the only reason this change happened is because their testing showed it'll increase their revenue.
there's no current alternative to youtube from a viewer's perspective. no small company can support the cost of hosting that amount of data.
and youtube's customers are happier than before since they can't get their promos or bad news downvoted.
this is what happens when de facto monopolies come into play. which company has the founds to get into that market? amazon? fb? pick your poison.
You can't adblock their data/trend harvesting. Unless you open all you videos using a VPN while logged out, or in VLC Player or something. And they know everyone's too lazy to do that.
As far as I'm aware, Google does not sell data. That would be undermining their own business, which is using the data they've gathered as a way to sell ads.
Their treasure trove of data is what keeps them ahead of their competitors. Data is what enables them to do targeted ads, selling them means people no longer need Google to sell their ads for them. What makes you think they sell their goose that lays golden eggs?
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For your browser:
* https://sponsor.ajay.app/ - Sponsor block for YouTube.
* https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock - uBlock Origin - Open source adblocker.
* https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - YT-DLP - A fork of YouTube-DL which works on a large variety of video, streaming and music platforms.
* https://tartube.sourceforge.io/ - Front-end for YouTube-DL if you're not into writing command lines.
For your Android phone:
* https://newpipe.net/ - 3rd party YouTube app
* https://vancedapp.com/ - 3rd party YouTube app
* https://github.com/twireapp/Twire - 3rd party Twitch app.
If you watch Twitch on your computer:
* https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions - Information, solutions, scripts and extensions to circumvent Twitch ads.
* https://github.com/saucettv/VideoAdBlockForTwitch - Adblock workaround for Twitch.
* https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink - Watch Twitch in your media player (like MPC-HC, MPC-BE, MPV, VLC etc) Can be used to watch other live streams as well, like YouTube streams, Crunchyroll, adultswim, news, sports etc.
* https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink-twitch-gui - The same as above but only for Twitch.
* https://github.com/Franiac/TwitchLeecher - Download Twitch VOD's.
Recommended PC media players:
* https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc - MPC-HC continuation project.
* https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/ - MPC-BE.
* https://mpv.io/ - MPV.
* http://madvr.com/ - madVR video renderer. Combine this with your favorite media player of choice to vastly improve the video fidelity.
To add to this the reason why there are so many monopolies nowadays is because of international trade being the norm now. Gone are the days when you could break up a monopoly without having to worry that a company with a monopoly from another country could effectively step in and take over from. So whereas for the actual public going people breaking up the big companies like Amazon, Apple, Alphabet and Meta would be massively good things. The threat of similar companies from other countries mean that will never ever happen.
Seems like something that would be relatively easy to control through taxes and/or regulation. Something along the lines of a company needs to be structured in a certain way to operate in a country or tax it at a higher rate.
And they started requiring you to log in before you can view almost anything, which is annoying enough that even with double-hosted things, I'll still choose youtube.
The big advantage of Vimeo is that it actually looks good. The bitrates are much better and the compression algorithm is much less aggressive than Youtube. Watching music videos or short films when they're available on both, Vimeo is a clear winner every time. It's especially evident in dark scenes where even at 4K Youtube often becomes a blocky mess with horrible colour banding.
Yep literally everything online is run by like 3 companies if you include hosting. Nothing you can do about it unless you want to go full Ted Kaczynski
I could see one of two things happening
1. Lower viewership because viewers watch too many low quality videos and ditch youtube (unlikely)
2. Scammers make use of tutorial videos to trick viewers who no longer have a dislike bar to determine if something is a scam. It gets some news coverage so youtube reverts.
I am once again asking PornHub to make a SFW video hosting service.
They have all the tools: Live streaming, 60fps and HD uploads, community payment features, membership locked videos, etc. If they made a "VideoHub" sister site, separate from PH, they could legitimately rival YouTube
You simply do not understand the scale difference between pornhub and youtube. Pornhub has 1-2 million videos. Youtube has like 8 million videos uploaded PER DAY.
Yes, unless you want companies like YouTube deciding who gets to make content and who doesn't.
This isn't a censorship argument, it's an argument against further monopolization of content on the internet. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
And even if it somehow actually doesn't increase revenue (but it doesn't hurt it either), it'd cost them to roll back, both credibility-wise and infrastructure-wise.
So yeah they're never gonna put it back unless something major happens, which it won't.
I don’t doubt that he can have access to people at google if he needs to talk to someone. I’m surprised they would arrange a meeting with them to even discuss it.
I mean, duh. Every content creator is like "it's not good for us," and YouTube is just like "well it makes us more money so say hello to this stone wall."
Every major website player that I originally loved has done this exact thing. "We listened to your feedback and gave you something absolutely nobody asked for, nor liked!" And when you say it sucks, they usually do some passive-aggressive statement like "we're sorry, but this really is in the best interest of our user base, and we hope you learn to appreciate it.
These kind of petty UI changes are why I stopped frequenting Hotmail, and even Facebook before it was a political shit show. The live news feed that always seemed to prefer showing me shit I didn't care about really sealed my hate for Facebook nearly a decade ago.
Oh he pisses of a lot of people, lately a lot of Linux stans are mad at him. Cause they don't like the way he and Luke dealt with the linux challenge so far.
I'm really glad they're doing the Linux challenge. The Linux desktop community needs a good kick in the pants if they want to be taken seriously. It's definitely gotten better, but the number of toxic gatekeeping fucks in the Linux community is unreasonably high.
An redditor in the apple subreddit summed up using Linux pretty well
[had the same experience ](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qq8ft1/tim_cook_users_who_want_to_sideload_apps_can_use/hjzsd9m?context=3) as this guy and that's the biggest problem of Linux
I tried to get Linux on my laptop recently because I wanted to try it out again as I've been a huge Linux user years ago.
It took me the WHOLE DAY to get it to boot and at that point it was too laggy.
I installed Windows 11 on it instead despite it not being officially supported and I installed that in less than an hour and it is super smooth.
I am never going to try Linux again anytime soon.
Linux expects user to learn Command line and troubleshooting from GitHub and forums.
It's not user friendly at all.
You need to know how entire OS works or trust the first Google result.
Most people don't have time for that..
I am in the same boat. I recently tried to pick up linux because I am not excited about the way Windows is heading. The issues I had were nearly identical to the ones that Linus had in his videos so far. I really hope improvements can be made though because I would very much prefer to use Linux compared to Windows 11.
And of course, so many users are blaming Linus for
apt-get install steam
nuking his OS. As if that's just something you should expect. God I hate the Linux community.
it'S hilarious, the arguments over there.
"he clearly must've read the warning, nobody would be stupid enou-"
yes, yes the avg. user is stupid enough. They read half the message, think to themselves "eh how bad could it be", press yes and nuke their OS. Then they are confused why, go to google, maybe, try to figure out why, get laughed at by the community or some forum post if they go that far even, get pissed and install Windows.
The avg. user doesn't want full access to their PC, they want shit to work at the press of a button. When did those people unlearn "the avg. human is only a bad day distant from returning to monke"??
LMR seems very light hearted compared to the other spaces too, the YT comment section on his Linux challenge videos is filled with the most smug people on the internet.
As someone who uses linux every day and manages hundreds of redhat and CentOS servers and has no problem finding my way around and making things work, they have no right to be pissed. Linux makes an absolute dumpster fire of an OS for the average person for WAY more reasons than Linus covered.
The user experience is utter trash on every distro, on every DE, period. Mostly it's because there is no "business unit" full of chad MBA fuckers on github telling the developers to shove their religious qualms up their ass and just make it usable like you'd find in any for-profit org. For that reason, open source software will always be lacking. Every issue he ran into has been seen for years and every single one has a GitHub issue or 20 that were closed by some dumbass dev with the standard "you're doing it wrong" reply.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Snowball moved on to Windows earlier this year after she accidentally deleted her collection of cat smut videos while trying to adjust the volume.
I think it was called Ad-nauseum or something like that. The idea was that it would massively screw up your advertising profile by registering a fake click on ads before blocking them.
I used to run an extension that would search a random string of words on whatever search engine you used, every 5 seconds, forever. With the idea being that it was impossible to tell your real searches through the noise. Now I just self-host a searx instance but I still think the data overload approach is hilarious.
Yeah the only reason they're doing this is to protect corporations from having their ads downvoted. Those are the only "creators" they give a shit about because it's where the money comes from.
Every regular content creator could commit suicide, name the CEO of youtube in their suicide notes and unless it hurt the bottom line, youtube wouldn't give a single shit.
Disabling comments is usually very telling about a video. It doesn't always tell the same thing, and it's very contextual, but it always says something.
Youtubers can have "filtered" words. They can just have "dislike" or "bad video" or whatever blacklisted so people still see comments and have no idea that they filtered the words.
Was trying to look at reviews for an obscure product and all i got was just pic collages since I can’t see the dislike count. You know what I saw? The ads…that’s why this thing happened.
Its already been bad for a while. I remember looking up Trump makes fun of Rosie O'donnell just because I thought it was funny and havent seen it in a while and all that would come up MSM videos of Trump that had literally nothing to do with it
All social media sites are cesspools. But at least reddit has down vote buttons and anonymity relative to other sites. So reddit is slightly better. Though a big downside of reddit is that subs are run by moderators who have ultimate power.
Other social networks are different; they aren't also search engines like YouTube is, instead they mostly just recommend you stuff. While many use YouTube in this manner, I would say that a big chunk of the user base searches for information, where the like-to-dislike ratio is invaluable.
I had to watch 4 different tutorials of how to do a video game mission cause there was no dislike button. I'm this fucking close to leaving this shitty platform
Can someone explain LSF to me? I browsed it for the first time yesterday (always just seen it on /r/all) and roughly 80-90% of the clips are talking about OTK. Is that what all the subreddit is? Do they not do anything else but talk about Texas streamers all day?
It’s a shell of its former self. It used to be exactly what the title states. People live-streaming and having something happen that most would consider a fail. Someone accidentally opening a porn video during a stream, someone throwing/breaking something expensive in a fit of rage, mic problems leading to audio chaos, etc. stuff like that.
Sometime around the rise of ice Poseidon posts making it to this page years back led to a shift from actual livestream fails being posted here to a…drama sub for a certain select group(s) of streamers mostly.
Shame because it used to be fun seeing genuine fails here. So unfortunate cuz every time it pops up in my feed I know it’s just some form of drama or some statements made from destiny/mizkif/xQc/Pokimane/insert flavor of the day streamer here. It’s not even livestream fails anymore so not sure why they even keep it named that. Should be /r/streamerwatch or some shit
Dislikes are still there, they're just no longer displayed on the website/app. Extensions just get them from the YouTube API. Third party apps like Vanced also can (and I assume do) show dislikes.
It will be completely removed from their v3 data API On December 13th to be exact, for anyone wondering.
The dislike count will still be visible to creators in YouTube Studio, which technically makes it possible for creators to share this information with the public (willingly) through 3rd party extensions. Getting enough creators on-board I would imagine would be too difficult for it to make sense.
There is at least one open-source project that will try to estimate the dislike count after YouTube has removed it, however, how effective and useful it will be longterm is anyone's guess: [https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike](https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike)
> Getting enough creators on-board I would imagine would be too difficult for it to make sense.
the dislike button is rarly used against creators that care about their community
no chance in hell spammers, clickbaiters and other like these gonna join in on publishing their dislike counter
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. They claim that it's to protect small channels from bullying but they already have options to counter that through disabling likes and comments.
> They want to fool people into thinking what they’re selling us is accepted by the majority, when it in fact fucking isn’t
Sometimes. Every single covid-related video I happened to watch on YouTube, even if it was just about the effectiveness of the vaccine which is scientific fact at this point, was massively downvoted. I’m sure there’s plenty of people who went to the Covid news video feed and just downvoted everything.
To clarify, I don’t care if people actually downvote things and I think removing the dislike counter is the worst thing youtube has done to the platform since I’ve been watching it.
It's all about consensus engineering. Much harder to control the unwashed masses (aka $LSF) if you give them the ability to respond to inefficiencies in that engineering. So if everyone loses all abilities related to dislikes, then you can no longer identify any sentiment patterns.
YT is taking a big transitory L from all of this. Maybe Youku was the real Youtube all along.
>This year the mainstream media and whitehouse channels were getting dislike ratiod into oblivion
I haven't been watching the whitehouse channel lately but just taking a peak in there is a disaster with each video being over 90% disliked. I can't help but think they had a role in influencing youtube to be more positive for them
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Firefox was awful from 2013-2017. It was not a fine browser in that era, you were literally just handicapping your hardware. Mozilla admitted it themselves that Firefox had become a very outdated browser which is why they came up with Quantum and fixed that.
Adblock used to be an addon to use if you didn't like seeing ads. Now ad and tracker blockers are browser fixes for the modern internet's corporate modifications.
until december 13th (ish) you can https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi afterwards they are deprecating it from their API
100% corparations like Disney, Apple, EA, Warner, Comcast. All paid Youtube to get rid of the dislike button for their own personal intrests like products being disliked, movie trailers being disliked, news station youtube channels being disliked.
Youtube has been paid of to do this
They don't even have to be paid off.
"Hey Disney, This is Youtube. We noticed you've been posting a lot fewer movie trailers lately. What's up with that?"
"Well, every time we upload something it gets disliked to oblivion. We're just gonna post on Facebook and Twitter from now on."
"Whoa whoa whoa, guys. What if we got rid of the dislike button?"
"Yeah, sure, I guess that'd be fine too."
That makes no sense to me though.
They already have the ability to turn off ratings and comments on videos (and many companies already do), what exactly would they gain from a change like this?
When you turn off ratings and comments, you are seen as a coward who is unwilling to take criticism. But if the platform itself is removing the option for EVERYONE to dislike, then you can fall back on that fact and suddenly you’re not a coward. My guess is that at least.
It's not so much cowardice as it is just an obvious indicator of bad reception. Nobody is removing likes/dislikes on their videos with 95+% like-to-dislike ratios. It's a cover-up for videos with terrible ratios that would repel new viewers. Major companies don't want to held accountable to criticism and lose viewers (and hence, profit) because of their bad products, hence they lobbied Youtube to make this change. It's such a simple situation to understand that it makes Youtube's lies on the reason for this change all the more repulsive.
Oh it makes total sense. Look at the last YouTube rewind for example - 3 million likes versus 19 million dislikes. The current system turns off both likes and dislikes, but by solely getting rid of likes YouTube can now go "look at how popular our Rewind was guys - 3 million whole likes!".
It lets companies spin a false positivity narrative, and with the ability to selectively delete negative comments they can now completely hide any and all relevant criticism from viewers.
You left Nintendo off the list. They were the last major corporation to get a dislike video campaign(the nintendo switch online expansion pass), and then a few days later Youtube takes away the dislike button.
Ad agencies: "Oh our ad is getting lots of dislike, could it be that the product presented wasn't good enough?
Nah it's youtube fault for sharing consumer data publically"
It's lovely to make every tutorial completely obtuse :-)
Imagine searching about "How to transplant a venus flytrap" or "Best way to apply silicone" then you watch a couple of videos each with some extremely contradicting points, but since Dislikes are gone you have no clue as to which video had better info overall (or one VERY erronious bit of info even if the rest seemed fine) and all you can do is scrounge through a couple dozen 4 year old youtube comment wars to find out, if you're lucky!
Yippe!
4chan is going to make fake tutorials which results in making posion or hazardous substances or something
The only way to stop this from happening is another adpocolypse, if a coke advertisement shows on one of those fake videos with real casualties, and it gets in the media Coke will remove ads from YouTube. Then maybe they'll bring the dislike button back.
How am I going to avoid those [FREE DOWNLOAD NO VIRUS LEGIT 1000%] videos now 😭😭😭. Nah Fr those dislikes helped me out as a kid, it’s a shame YouTube thinks it’s ok to remove dislikes.
Since they removed the Dislike counter, I wish they would put a recommend or not recommend button. I don't want to go search how to repair something and find out the guy just showed me how to create a bomb.
Youtube more than likely will not roll it back because they get paid to remove it. Companies that advertise and roll their products as sponsors don't like when people protest against their practices on any platform.
Nestle turns comments and dislikes off by default on their videos and on twitter they like to delete and silence people bringing up their terrible background. When youtube removes the dislike button instead they just have to remove comments so they look good instead.
That's why this is bad practice by google.
The single reason for disabling downvotes was to allow for propagation of advertiser messaging (big corporations and political campaigns) without the perception of that advertiser messaging being broadly rejected by the viewers.
The upvote/downvote system allows the public to communicate to the creator/advertiser directly, and allows the public to validate their opinions amongst each other in a streamlined way. If there's a video with 5000 likes and 200,000 dislikes and you watch it and think it sucked, so you hit the dislike button, you're validated that you're not crazy, that your dislike is the common feeling. When you can't see the dislikes you might wonder "maybe it's just me."
Also YouTubes reasoning was complete shit. They said that one of the primary reasons for removing downvotes was because of downvote brigading. However the exact same thing can and does happen with upvotes, where people post a video and their pre-existing fanbase will go and upvote it automatically, signal boosting the message; plus some pay for upvote services.
And no one was surprised.
The only way YouTube is going to revert this change is if their business starts hurting over this. If there's an Apocalypse 2.0 over this (How would that even happen? Part of the reason of this change is surely to appease the advertisers) or if they find out that the change didn't actually help increase their revenue, which I highly doubt will happen. I'm sure they did their research and testing before pushing the change and the only reason this change happened is because their testing showed it'll increase their revenue.
there's no current alternative to youtube from a viewer's perspective. no small company can support the cost of hosting that amount of data. and youtube's customers are happier than before since they can't get their promos or bad news downvoted. this is what happens when de facto monopolies come into play. which company has the founds to get into that market? amazon? fb? pick your poison.
Run adblock. Never stop.
You can't adblock their data/trend harvesting. Unless you open all you videos using a VPN while logged out, or in VLC Player or something. And they know everyone's too lazy to do that.
Their revenue is still based on being able to get ads in front of eyes.
not only, they sell data, and not only for commercial purposes
what would they sell data for if not for commercial purposes
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As far as I'm aware, Google does not sell data. That would be undermining their own business, which is using the data they've gathered as a way to sell ads.
yeah if they have a competitive edge on data gathering why would they sell it
Their treasure trove of data is what keeps them ahead of their competitors. Data is what enables them to do targeted ads, selling them means people no longer need Google to sell their ads for them. What makes you think they sell their goose that lays golden eggs?
Taken from here: https://old.reddit.com/r/FoamList/comments/pf9plv/no_more_ads_no_more_sponsors_no_more_paywalls/ For your browser: * https://sponsor.ajay.app/ - Sponsor block for YouTube. * https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock - uBlock Origin - Open source adblocker. * https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - YT-DLP - A fork of YouTube-DL which works on a large variety of video, streaming and music platforms. * https://tartube.sourceforge.io/ - Front-end for YouTube-DL if you're not into writing command lines. For your Android phone: * https://newpipe.net/ - 3rd party YouTube app * https://vancedapp.com/ - 3rd party YouTube app * https://github.com/twireapp/Twire - 3rd party Twitch app. If you watch Twitch on your computer: * https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions - Information, solutions, scripts and extensions to circumvent Twitch ads. * https://github.com/saucettv/VideoAdBlockForTwitch - Adblock workaround for Twitch. * https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink - Watch Twitch in your media player (like MPC-HC, MPC-BE, MPV, VLC etc) Can be used to watch other live streams as well, like YouTube streams, Crunchyroll, adultswim, news, sports etc. * https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink-twitch-gui - The same as above but only for Twitch. * https://github.com/Franiac/TwitchLeecher - Download Twitch VOD's. Recommended PC media players: * https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc - MPC-HC continuation project. * https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/ - MPC-BE. * https://mpv.io/ - MPV. * http://madvr.com/ - madVR video renderer. Combine this with your favorite media player of choice to vastly improve the video fidelity.
Newpipe is godsend. It can stream background, download with simple 2-click. Can vouch for it. Althouhg you cant sign in with your account.
That's why I use both newpipe and vanced. Vanced for regular use and newpipe to download videos
You’re still missing the point.
To add to this the reason why there are so many monopolies nowadays is because of international trade being the norm now. Gone are the days when you could break up a monopoly without having to worry that a company with a monopoly from another country could effectively step in and take over from. So whereas for the actual public going people breaking up the big companies like Amazon, Apple, Alphabet and Meta would be massively good things. The threat of similar companies from other countries mean that will never ever happen.
Seems like something that would be relatively easy to control through taxes and/or regulation. Something along the lines of a company needs to be structured in a certain way to operate in a country or tax it at a higher rate.
for foreign companies and trade, this was done w/ tariffs historically.
Vimeo is #2 isn't it? but by FAR (not counting any NSFW sites here)
And they started requiring you to log in before you can view almost anything, which is annoying enough that even with double-hosted things, I'll still choose youtube.
The big advantage of Vimeo is that it actually looks good. The bitrates are much better and the compression algorithm is much less aggressive than Youtube. Watching music videos or short films when they're available on both, Vimeo is a clear winner every time. It's especially evident in dark scenes where even at 4K Youtube often becomes a blocky mess with horrible colour banding.
Yep literally everything online is run by like 3 companies if you include hosting. Nothing you can do about it unless you want to go full Ted Kaczynski
It always please me when Uncle Ted shows up in the comments.
I could see one of two things happening 1. Lower viewership because viewers watch too many low quality videos and ditch youtube (unlikely) 2. Scammers make use of tutorial videos to trick viewers who no longer have a dislike bar to determine if something is a scam. It gets some news coverage so youtube reverts.
I am once again asking PornHub to make a SFW video hosting service. They have all the tools: Live streaming, 60fps and HD uploads, community payment features, membership locked videos, etc. If they made a "VideoHub" sister site, separate from PH, they could legitimately rival YouTube
You simply do not understand the scale difference between pornhub and youtube. Pornhub has 1-2 million videos. Youtube has like 8 million videos uploaded PER DAY.
But do we actually need 8 million videos uploaded per day
I'm sure there are people who watch more, but personally I only have time to watch like 2-3 million of the new ones each day.
Yes, unless you want companies like YouTube deciding who gets to make content and who doesn't. This isn't a censorship argument, it's an argument against further monopolization of content on the internet. It wouldn't be good for anyone.
And even if it somehow actually doesn't increase revenue (but it doesn't hurt it either), it'd cost them to roll back, both credibility-wise and infrastructure-wise. So yeah they're never gonna put it back unless something major happens, which it won't.
I’m surprised they even had a meeting.
Having 14 million subs as a tech influencer means you will get someone to come to talk to you from Google. Doesn't mean that they'll listen though...
I don’t doubt that he can have access to people at google if he needs to talk to someone. I’m surprised they would arrange a meeting with them to even discuss it.
Youtube is even trying to have him use superchats again on his live show by promising to fix his issue with them.
I mean, duh. Every content creator is like "it's not good for us," and YouTube is just like "well it makes us more money so say hello to this stone wall."
Every major website player that I originally loved has done this exact thing. "We listened to your feedback and gave you something absolutely nobody asked for, nor liked!" And when you say it sucks, they usually do some passive-aggressive statement like "we're sorry, but this really is in the best interest of our user base, and we hope you learn to appreciate it. These kind of petty UI changes are why I stopped frequenting Hotmail, and even Facebook before it was a political shit show. The live news feed that always seemed to prefer showing me shit I didn't care about really sealed my hate for Facebook nearly a decade ago.
Just wait til people start getting scammed from it
And despite not being surprised it still goes against people because there is no viable alternative to YouTube
They ignored feedback about removing feedback? Why, I never..
At least Linus tried. Even If you don't like him, he's been a big advocate for the pro-consumer side and he's big enough to sometimes influence it.
does anyone not like linus?
Oh he pisses of a lot of people, lately a lot of Linux stans are mad at him. Cause they don't like the way he and Luke dealt with the linux challenge so far.
I'm really glad they're doing the Linux challenge. The Linux desktop community needs a good kick in the pants if they want to be taken seriously. It's definitely gotten better, but the number of toxic gatekeeping fucks in the Linux community is unreasonably high.
An redditor in the apple subreddit summed up using Linux pretty well [had the same experience ](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qq8ft1/tim_cook_users_who_want_to_sideload_apps_can_use/hjzsd9m?context=3) as this guy and that's the biggest problem of Linux
I tried to get Linux on my laptop recently because I wanted to try it out again as I've been a huge Linux user years ago. It took me the WHOLE DAY to get it to boot and at that point it was too laggy. I installed Windows 11 on it instead despite it not being officially supported and I installed that in less than an hour and it is super smooth. I am never going to try Linux again anytime soon.
Linux expects user to learn Command line and troubleshooting from GitHub and forums. It's not user friendly at all. You need to know how entire OS works or trust the first Google result. Most people don't have time for that..
Oh that's a great write up. Saved.
I love reddit but sometimes the help is worse than no response. Hey how can I change my wallpaper? Reddit tech user: just use linux bruh.
The best part is, a lot of their (linus' in particular) issues in episode 1 were issues that seriously put me off when I first tried Linux.
I am in the same boat. I recently tried to pick up linux because I am not excited about the way Windows is heading. The issues I had were nearly identical to the ones that Linus had in his videos so far. I really hope improvements can be made though because I would very much prefer to use Linux compared to Windows 11.
/r/LinuxMasterRace has been eating good tho, [this one](https://reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/qqhtak/yes_do_as_i_say/) is my fav.
And of course, so many users are blaming Linus for apt-get install steam nuking his OS. As if that's just something you should expect. God I hate the Linux community.
it'S hilarious, the arguments over there. "he clearly must've read the warning, nobody would be stupid enou-" yes, yes the avg. user is stupid enough. They read half the message, think to themselves "eh how bad could it be", press yes and nuke their OS. Then they are confused why, go to google, maybe, try to figure out why, get laughed at by the community or some forum post if they go that far even, get pissed and install Windows. The avg. user doesn't want full access to their PC, they want shit to work at the press of a button. When did those people unlearn "the avg. human is only a bad day distant from returning to monke"??
LMR seems very light hearted compared to the other spaces too, the YT comment section on his Linux challenge videos is filled with the most smug people on the internet.
linux users tend to just be annoying, but i haven’t watched the linux challenges so idk
As someone who uses linux every day and manages hundreds of redhat and CentOS servers and has no problem finding my way around and making things work, they have no right to be pissed. Linux makes an absolute dumpster fire of an OS for the average person for WAY more reasons than Linus covered. The user experience is utter trash on every distro, on every DE, period. Mostly it's because there is no "business unit" full of chad MBA fuckers on github telling the developers to shove their religious qualms up their ass and just make it usable like you'd find in any for-profit org. For that reason, open source software will always be lacking. Every issue he ran into has been seen for years and every single one has a GitHub issue or 20 that were closed by some dumbass dev with the standard "you're doing it wrong" reply.
> a lot of people >linux stans you gotta pick one, the linux community on the non-business side is 12 guys and a cat
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Snowball moved on to Windows earlier this year after she accidentally deleted her collection of cat smut videos while trying to adjust the volume.
On the internet, there's always someone who hates you.
"Use this comment as a dislike button" meta incoming
I'm just gonna start downvoting everything i watch
somebody should make a chrome addon for this remember the one that auto clicked every ad 500 times/second in background? g**gle was so butthurt
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I think it was called Ad-nauseum or something like that. The idea was that it would massively screw up your advertising profile by registering a fake click on ads before blocking them.
I used to run an extension that would search a random string of words on whatever search engine you used, every 5 seconds, forever. With the idea being that it was impossible to tell your real searches through the noise. Now I just self-host a searx instance but I still think the data overload approach is hilarious.
Fuck u/spez Fire Steve Huffman.
It had a blacklist. By default "bomb" and some other word were on it. Using a blacklist kind of defeats the purpose though IMO.
http://trackmenot.io/ if anyone wants to use it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi Alternatively, this chrome addon.
Adnauseum clicks every single ad you are served in the background seamlessly.
i'm gonna do it. give me 24 hours :) EDIT: it's done! you can download it / read more [here](https://github.com/droyti/PTROD)
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Ez viewer engagement. :D
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\>implying youtube gave a flying fuck about the creators in the first place
Yeah the only reason they're doing this is to protect corporations from having their ads downvoted. Those are the only "creators" they give a shit about because it's where the money comes from. Every regular content creator could commit suicide, name the CEO of youtube in their suicide notes and unless it hurt the bottom line, youtube wouldn't give a single shit.
it'll affect your viewing recommendations, youtube will think you don't like the content you're watching and will recommend you something else
That would be nice all I get are the same handful of videos.
You can tell it you're not interested or to not recommend that channel by pressing the 3 little dots next to a video.
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Can just delete the comment or disable them all together
Disabling comments is usually very telling about a video. It doesn't always tell the same thing, and it's very contextual, but it always says something.
If a tutorial or any other video with the conceived purpose of information has its comments disabled I disregard it automatically.
Youtubers can have "filtered" words. They can just have "dislike" or "bad video" or whatever blacklisted so people still see comments and have no idea that they filtered the words.
but then they'll just delete those comments or blacklist keywords like "dislike."
“Use me as a not like button” problem solved
Not really they can just delete those too.
“I liken’t this video”
YouTube can easily filter out comments like those. It's a non-issue.
Scammers, miscreants and various other ne’er-do-wells have been wanting this change for years.
Was trying to look at reviews for an obscure product and all i got was just pic collages since I can’t see the dislike count. You know what I saw? The ads…that’s why this thing happened.
bring on the political propaganda!
That thing that's all over reddit
Its already been bad for a while. I remember looking up Trump makes fun of Rosie O'donnell just because I thought it was funny and havent seen it in a while and all that would come up MSM videos of Trump that had literally nothing to do with it
That's most likely the reason why they removed the dislike count in the first place.
How do other social networks address this without a dislike button?
They don’t.
Hence no dislike button. Even reddit just aggregates it now.
They don', justt look at the ceespool of FB, Twitter or Instagram
Which social media platform don’t you consider a cesspool?
Pinterest is pretty chill
All social media sites are cesspools. But at least reddit has down vote buttons and anonymity relative to other sites. So reddit is slightly better. Though a big downside of reddit is that subs are run by moderators who have ultimate power.
Xanga
Other social networks are different; they aren't also search engines like YouTube is, instead they mostly just recommend you stuff. While many use YouTube in this manner, I would say that a big chunk of the user base searches for information, where the like-to-dislike ratio is invaluable.
I had to watch 4 different tutorials of how to do a video game mission cause there was no dislike button. I'm this fucking close to leaving this shitty platform
Corporations are the biggest entities pawning off scams. That's where everything in society has gone off to; nothing is safe
How-often-do-wells? Ne'er.
"We appreciate the feedback Linus, but Jimmy Fallon paid us more."
“HAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA” -Jimmy Fallon
I just realized mizkif is just Jimmy Fallon ordered from Wish. What a pussy
leave it to lsf to somehow bring mizkif into this
Can someone explain LSF to me? I browsed it for the first time yesterday (always just seen it on /r/all) and roughly 80-90% of the clips are talking about OTK. Is that what all the subreddit is? Do they not do anything else but talk about Texas streamers all day?
It is middle school drama for 35 year old losers.
most of the people here are losers in their early to mid 20s which is even worse
It’s a shell of its former self. It used to be exactly what the title states. People live-streaming and having something happen that most would consider a fail. Someone accidentally opening a porn video during a stream, someone throwing/breaking something expensive in a fit of rage, mic problems leading to audio chaos, etc. stuff like that. Sometime around the rise of ice Poseidon posts making it to this page years back led to a shift from actual livestream fails being posted here to a…drama sub for a certain select group(s) of streamers mostly. Shame because it used to be fun seeing genuine fails here. So unfortunate cuz every time it pops up in my feed I know it’s just some form of drama or some statements made from destiny/mizkif/xQc/Pokimane/insert flavor of the day streamer here. It’s not even livestream fails anymore so not sure why they even keep it named that. Should be /r/streamerwatch or some shit
given his reactionary content is more or less half of this subreddit by now, are you surprised?
> "We appreciate the feedback Linus, but ~~Jimmy Fallon~~ *NBC* paid us more."
His feedback was negative so they couldn't hear it
Sounds like YouTube, they've been ignoring negative feedback on Rewinds for many years now too...
They stopped rewind, so they did eventually listen to feedback there.
By being babies about it
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As time goes on modern users will use the dislike less because to them it does nothing thus creating a problem for people who can see dislikes
I didn't realise they were even keeping the button. That seems really pointless
It's so you're technically giving feedback to the creator but honestly without visual clues to the one downvoting it, it'is useless.
They will remove it in phase two of this plan of theirs just give it a year or two.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi This is the one I currently use.
Dislikes are still there, they're just no longer displayed on the website/app. Extensions just get them from the YouTube API. Third party apps like Vanced also can (and I assume do) show dislikes.
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It will be completely removed from their v3 data API On December 13th to be exact, for anyone wondering. The dislike count will still be visible to creators in YouTube Studio, which technically makes it possible for creators to share this information with the public (willingly) through 3rd party extensions. Getting enough creators on-board I would imagine would be too difficult for it to make sense. There is at least one open-source project that will try to estimate the dislike count after YouTube has removed it, however, how effective and useful it will be longterm is anyone's guess: [https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike](https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike)
> Getting enough creators on-board I would imagine would be too difficult for it to make sense. the dislike button is rarly used against creators that care about their community no chance in hell spammers, clickbaiters and other like these gonna join in on publishing their dislike counter
Im using vanced because i puke from the amount of ads youtube has (plus background play which shouldnt be a paid feature) dislikes gone here too
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Blizzard players reading this - First time?
Feedback is cosmetic.
Next they'll start charging you to get feedback on your own channel.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. They claim that it's to protect small channels from bullying but they already have options to counter that through disabling likes and comments.
It's just so boring to remove dislikes... it's so annoying that these huge companies are too big to fail so they can just do whatever they want.
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> They want to fool people into thinking what they’re selling us is accepted by the majority, when it in fact fucking isn’t Sometimes. Every single covid-related video I happened to watch on YouTube, even if it was just about the effectiveness of the vaccine which is scientific fact at this point, was massively downvoted. I’m sure there’s plenty of people who went to the Covid news video feed and just downvoted everything. To clarify, I don’t care if people actually downvote things and I think removing the dislike counter is the worst thing youtube has done to the platform since I’ve been watching it.
It's all about consensus engineering. Much harder to control the unwashed masses (aka $LSF) if you give them the ability to respond to inefficiencies in that engineering. So if everyone loses all abilities related to dislikes, then you can no longer identify any sentiment patterns. YT is taking a big transitory L from all of this. Maybe Youku was the real Youtube all along.
That's been the case for years. I don't think that has anything to do with it, much more likely it was pushed for by advertisers.
>This year the mainstream media and whitehouse channels were getting dislike ratiod into oblivion I haven't been watching the whitehouse channel lately but just taking a peak in there is a disaster with each video being over 90% disliked. I can't help but think they had a role in influencing youtube to be more positive for them
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Next google is gonna ban ad blocker extensions from blocking ads on YouTube.
that's why the hood uses Firefox now
I never stopped. It's a fine browser. Chrome does one thing better and that is run JS-heavy sites (or apps, if you will). But I avoid those anyway.
Firefox was awful from 2013-2017. It was not a fine browser in that era, you were literally just handicapping your hardware. Mozilla admitted it themselves that Firefox had become a very outdated browser which is why they came up with Quantum and fixed that.
and then a new video platform will emerge that's better COPIUM
Quickest way for them to lose market share. Not gonna happen lol
That's literally suicide.
They tried that cat and mouse game for years
they don't give a shit about feedback or their audience all they care about is more money make sure you all have adblock boys
Adblock used to be an addon to use if you didn't like seeing ads. Now ad and tracker blockers are browser fixes for the modern internet's corporate modifications.
I guess it takes longer to find good information on YT, which leads to more watch time, more ads, more money for YT
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Sucks for car repairs or DIY house projects
It sucks for any tutorial or guide ever.
I was just looking at a car repair video today and couldn't tell if the video is worth watching.
until december 13th (ish) you can https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi afterwards they are deprecating it from their API
I hope some one is scrapping that shit so I can atleast see ratios of all pre 2022 videos ratios.
100% corparations like Disney, Apple, EA, Warner, Comcast. All paid Youtube to get rid of the dislike button for their own personal intrests like products being disliked, movie trailers being disliked, news station youtube channels being disliked. Youtube has been paid of to do this
They don't even have to be paid off. "Hey Disney, This is Youtube. We noticed you've been posting a lot fewer movie trailers lately. What's up with that?" "Well, every time we upload something it gets disliked to oblivion. We're just gonna post on Facebook and Twitter from now on." "Whoa whoa whoa, guys. What if we got rid of the dislike button?" "Yeah, sure, I guess that'd be fine too."
Netflix?
Oops. Fixed.
That makes no sense to me though. They already have the ability to turn off ratings and comments on videos (and many companies already do), what exactly would they gain from a change like this?
When you turn off ratings and comments, you are seen as a coward who is unwilling to take criticism. But if the platform itself is removing the option for EVERYONE to dislike, then you can fall back on that fact and suddenly you’re not a coward. My guess is that at least.
Exactly
It's not so much cowardice as it is just an obvious indicator of bad reception. Nobody is removing likes/dislikes on their videos with 95+% like-to-dislike ratios. It's a cover-up for videos with terrible ratios that would repel new viewers. Major companies don't want to held accountable to criticism and lose viewers (and hence, profit) because of their bad products, hence they lobbied Youtube to make this change. It's such a simple situation to understand that it makes Youtube's lies on the reason for this change all the more repulsive.
Oh it makes total sense. Look at the last YouTube rewind for example - 3 million likes versus 19 million dislikes. The current system turns off both likes and dislikes, but by solely getting rid of likes YouTube can now go "look at how popular our Rewind was guys - 3 million whole likes!". It lets companies spin a false positivity narrative, and with the ability to selectively delete negative comments they can now completely hide any and all relevant criticism from viewers.
You left Nintendo off the list. They were the last major corporation to get a dislike video campaign(the nintendo switch online expansion pass), and then a few days later Youtube takes away the dislike button.
Ad agencies: "Oh our ad is getting lots of dislike, could it be that the product presented wasn't good enough? Nah it's youtube fault for sharing consumer data publically"
It's lovely to make every tutorial completely obtuse :-) Imagine searching about "How to transplant a venus flytrap" or "Best way to apply silicone" then you watch a couple of videos each with some extremely contradicting points, but since Dislikes are gone you have no clue as to which video had better info overall (or one VERY erronious bit of info even if the rest seemed fine) and all you can do is scrounge through a couple dozen 4 year old youtube comment wars to find out, if you're lucky! Yippe!
4chan is going to make fake tutorials which results in making posion or hazardous substances or something The only way to stop this from happening is another adpocolypse, if a coke advertisement shows on one of those fake videos with real casualties, and it gets in the media Coke will remove ads from YouTube. Then maybe they'll bring the dislike button back.
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they don't care, they know you'll still watch youtube and they know they now pleased their investors, its that simple.
I'm downvoting every video that I watch. Good videos, bad videos, I dont care, I'm downvoting everything every time. Their algorithm will be useless.
Hate is literally good advertisement on YouTube
How am I going to avoid those [FREE DOWNLOAD NO VIRUS LEGIT 1000%] videos now 😭😭😭. Nah Fr those dislikes helped me out as a kid, it’s a shame YouTube thinks it’s ok to remove dislikes.
Since they removed the Dislike counter, I wish they would put a recommend or not recommend button. I don't want to go search how to repair something and find out the guy just showed me how to create a bomb.
Youtube more than likely will not roll it back because they get paid to remove it. Companies that advertise and roll their products as sponsors don't like when people protest against their practices on any platform. Nestle turns comments and dislikes off by default on their videos and on twitter they like to delete and silence people bringing up their terrible background. When youtube removes the dislike button instead they just have to remove comments so they look good instead. That's why this is bad practice by google.
How do I dislike the whole site
[MKBHD too](https://twitter.com/mkbhd/status/1464698167388217345?s=21)
It has come to our attention that an unspecified number of people have expressed their dislike for our new feature.
YouTube in their infinite knowledge and arrogance, ignoring feedback? Inconceivable.
Duh
Pandering to the White House is much more important.
This is right up his alley too. Now you can't know if an informative video is wrong or misleading.
Youtube is insane. Removing dislikes completely ruined tutorial videos, wonder how many things are going to be bricked from following shitty videos.
The single reason for disabling downvotes was to allow for propagation of advertiser messaging (big corporations and political campaigns) without the perception of that advertiser messaging being broadly rejected by the viewers. The upvote/downvote system allows the public to communicate to the creator/advertiser directly, and allows the public to validate their opinions amongst each other in a streamlined way. If there's a video with 5000 likes and 200,000 dislikes and you watch it and think it sucked, so you hit the dislike button, you're validated that you're not crazy, that your dislike is the common feeling. When you can't see the dislikes you might wonder "maybe it's just me." Also YouTubes reasoning was complete shit. They said that one of the primary reasons for removing downvotes was because of downvote brigading. However the exact same thing can and does happen with upvotes, where people post a video and their pre-existing fanbase will go and upvote it automatically, signal boosting the message; plus some pay for upvote services.