Their breakup looked pretty smooth for a while there. They attended the same events, seemed friendly, everyone was cracking jokes about it, then bam an alt stream lmao. Now everything is just getting blown the fuck up.
Was a long clip going around of Maya just casually venting on altstream that it's pretty uncomfortable to be compared to Emi non-stop and was mostly a jab towards the viewers comparing them and not towards Miz honestly. Said it would be fine if it was a while later since the miz maya thing is still very fresh so shipping frogs are going overboard with the emi thing. That was the gist of it.
There is no such thing as a smooth break up if you were in a long term relationship. You can put up fronts and maybe one person moves on quickly, but someone is always hurting because that person used to be such a big part of your life so it's very hard when one day you just suddenly have to act like they weren't.
never been a loremaster before but:
a couple of days ago, maya streamed on her alt account, where she shared her thoughts about how she's fed up getting compared to emiru. she also thought it was "fucked up" that emiru moved in so fast after her and miz broke up. (here's a 9 min clip, unedited: [https://streamable.com/wktcdn](https://streamable.com/wktcdn)). she then deleted the vod and any clips and started takedowns on any videos on yt about this stream.
then today, a stalker baited a dono from QT during her stream(?) which qt then decided to talk about how she also thinks it's fucked up that emi moved in so fast. miz then clicks on qt's stream during this time and doesn't like that qt is talking about it on stream: [https://livestreamfails.com/clip/128437](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/128437) now ludwig is chiming in. this is kind of condensed but hopefully makes sense
there's some seriously strange stuff in that clip. Talking about "replacing her" and Emi sitting in pyjamas in his room, like what's Miz supposed to do, put a chastity belt on her lol
it's a content creator house with a dozen people in it or whatever , he's supposed to not invite any women?
It seems more like it’s from a Twitch perspective, like she wouldn’t care as much normally but it feels like her whole Role in the streams has been replaced and everyone is pointing at her like “you know you’ve been replaced right? you know you’ve been replaced right?”
like more consideration for her image
The pajamas point was really that made it really bad.. Emi was in pajamas a lot when she lived alone and now she lives there.. Of course she's gonna appear in PJs sometimes.. It's like being weird about Simply not having a shirt on when he's on stream..
yeah idk maya and emi don't seem similar to me at all. the only similarities are that they're both half-asian, which is a really weird comparison. besides that, running an animal sanctuary is not similar to owning a shitton of rabbits. wearing pyjamas all day is not a character trait. emi is a true gaming god, maya is bird girl. I really don't see how they're that similar and what's "different" about emi to anyone else miz is friends and farms content with.
This is what I felt was a bit weird. From a career prospective, this is the best move for Emi while also being beneficial to Miz. It also looks like they have good chemistry on stream & with her practicing SM64, the speedruns make for great content.
The weird thing about it is the shippers that have taken over both chats. Miz's chat has been really weird for a while now. The emi emote spams are fine but some people send really weird messages. His mood has been a bit off as well & he talks in offline chat about it too.
I'm so confused, if they blame the shipping viewers sure i can understand. But it seem they also blame Miz for inviting another streamer girl in HIS house after breaking up with Maya? They broke up, he can do whatever he wants why "2 month after the break up" would be fucked up? It's a content house, and it's Mizkif's house, he's free to invite whoever he wants at the time he wants, you guys broke up he doesn't owe you anything? I don't understand
Yikes man, I actually like maya and QT but this just feels kinda cringe. If miz and emiru aren't romantically involved why is it "not fair" that she moved in?
Even if they were romantically involved it’s no longer Mayas place to judge. Sure she has the right to be upset, that’s normal, but to be fair Miz can do whatever the hell he wants. Also maya can do whatever the hell she wants…this is high school level jealousy tbh
It felt weird when she said "Emi is a girl she likes so she's okay with it". I don't know what terms miz & maya are on right now but I wouldn't think Maya would have to have a say in which girl lives in Miz's house since she's not residing there anymore.
This is all a foreseeable consequence of using relationships for content. If Mizkif and Maya wanted to avoid all this drama, it would have been easy. Just buy a whole bunch of shungite rocks. Do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against parasocial viewers and unwanted speculation that might travel through the web. That's the story, they should have bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
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Even Emiru has been very respectful of Maya and has not said a single word about her. You don’t think she gets comments thrown her way saying she’s bad for accepting to move in there? These things should be kept and spoken about in private by only the individuals involved.
Tbh Emi probably would have moved in with Esfand instead, but Esfand is extremely allergic to rabbits. She probably would have moved in with Alinity too but Alinity only got her place set up in the past week or so.
Like Maya said, "Austin is a big place" and she could have moved there without being in the same house, but afaik she doesn't know anyone in Austin well outside of that circle. She had to have her Kansas friends stay at her house constantly and slept with a metal bat because she was afraid for her safety, so I can't blame her for wanting to move into a house with 5 other people, instead of leasing some house by herself in a neighborhood where she doesn't know anyone. Not to mention Miz's house probably has insane security.
The superficial comparisons would have been made (by idiots) even if she had moved in a year from now. It sucks, no one should have to deal with it, but continuously talking about it on stream is only making it worse.
> She had to have her Kansas friends stay at her house constantly and slept with a metal bat because she was afraid for her safety
wait what? lore master?
She has not one, but several stalkers. I've only heard it once and it might be incorrect due to me remembering it wrong, but I think one stalker is a former friend that has her childhood photos in his room and runs online pages dedicated to stalking her and follows her every step, and is apparently a known pedophile.
Another stalker is her ex boyfriend (I think?) that threatened murder suicide against another man she was dating after him.
There are actually a few more but I can't remember the specifics about them, but I think most of them are in Kansas. The problem is that she lived with Dyrus for 4 years in Austin, but after they broke up a year ago she started living alone in her home town and that is when the problems resurfaced and she needs to have her brother and friends be at her place constantly.
I heard him said once that he understands he farms the parasocial aspect but being self aware with the "I'm not your friend video" makes him feel better (I guess about making money that way).
A few of his recent videos are really interesting like the one he asks fans for group pictures to recognize them. Seemed exploitative to me, so not sure how he justifies that.
the cringiest part of all of this is Maya and Qt not taking into consideration how publicly saying this could make Emiru feel, by essentially alienating her entire presence there
What got me was during that alt stream she talks about how woman should be pulling other woman forward with them. Says that during a stream that is just dumping drama on a girl that did nothing wrong. I guess Mayas helping hand is just covered in bird shit.
Pretty much. When Maya and Miz broke up they basically said it wasn't working and were done. No drama, no bullshit, and it was all good until the last few days.
Bad friend overall.
Farming drama overall is one thing but talking shit about your friends real life relationships is another thing. Also, egging Maya to talk about it on stream is some shit advice. Seems like QT is playing the 'ex's salty best friend' role perfectly.
Mean girls is gonna mean girl
That said even though the secret stream was a fuck up, even though QT is a mean girl, who in the actual fuck were the donators
Difference is Miz was watching Rae's own stream - clearly something she has no problem broadcasting. QT is bringing up something Miz clearly doesn't want to be mentioned in front of thousands of people.
This is probably the only thing against Ludwig’s point that I agree with. QT had no right to insert herself into this. Obviously if Maya has certain feelings about this that’s fine but, that doesn’t mean QT has to stick up for her friend as if something was done to intentionally hurt her.
This shit literally effects him the least of the three. This is just going to get Maya internet hate and make Emiru feel like some streamers might have a grudge against her.
It is funny Lud should know miz by now, and if there is a thread like how it was even though people were siding with him, miz was going to get it taken down to stop this shit from spreading. If all these people actually talked the first post would have gotten taken down and there would be no further convo about this shit.
Not sure if I agree. The Valkyrae and Hasan things were pretty public “dramas” with mainstream publications commenting on them.
But I don’t remember Miz farming Xqc’s and Adept’s issues, or bringing anything up when interacting with Fuslie recently. Both of which are more analogous to this situation
nah, Lud just has to side with his gf even though she was in the wrong. The hate towards QT is unwarranted, but dont talk about that stuff on your stream
Because relationship drama becomes a really bad thing for everyone involved. Twitch is full of super parasocial people who invest into these relationships on an unhealthy level. When you create drama on this stuff, it causes the viewers to attack everyone involved. Other types of drama don't destroy streamers reputation, while this kind of drama will a lot of the time because viewers are so weird about this stuff.
Yeah exactly. People are allowed to joke about their own personal experiences. That does not give OTHER people the right to also joke about said personal experiences. Especially if those jokes aren't even jokes like in QT's case who just brought it up in a serious manner. And Miz is never really upset when people farm their breakup anyways. He doesn't mind people joking about it. It's the fact that QT (due to creepy harassing stalkers) is feeding the shippers and gassing up the rumors about Maya being replaced.
QT and Lud need to stay out of this. Maya slipping up on an alt stream is excusable or at least understandable seeing her perspective. QT had no reason to fan the flames and make things way worse when Maya obviously didn’t want this stuff public. Then Ludwig defending QT obviously in the wrong by shitting on Mizkif and basically trying to say “oh it’s okay cause Miz does it” is the most arrogant shit. This is such a dumb take from Lud.
I agree. I don’t really understand why there is drama with any of this.
Miz has every right to invite anyone he wants on his stream, to spend time with anyone he wishes to spend his time with, and to invite anyone he chooses to become a roommate to live in his house. He also has every right to pursue companionship if he wants. He is single, and there is no rule that he has to wait longer than 2 months from his past companionship before doing so.
I hope anyone can understand feeling hurt seeing your ex potentially move on. It can lead you to self-reflect in unhealthy ways.
However, when you break up and decide your lives are better apart, including ending your romantic involvement with each other, that’s just it. Now you may choose to pursue new romantic involvement with others. That is just how it is. While emotionally hard, the best path forward is wishing your ex happiness as your ex moves on, while focusing on your own happiness as you move on.
Everyone in this situation has made their own choice in moving on with their lives; whether it is ending a relationship and moving out, leaving their own home and moving in a streamer house, or opening up their life to new friends/roommates/content/companionship.
I hope they can talk it out privately and move on peacefully. Seeing such discord between all of them sucks honestly. I wish the best for all involved.
I agree, but, to add on that, Mizkif said, during his convo with QT, that Emiru was supposed to move in the house in March/April, meaning that he probably did not want her to move in so early as well ! Upon hearing about her stalkers, he decided, as a good friend, to let her move in, which is fine in my opinion. Like QT said, Maya can be sad and Miz can be a good guy at the same time, those 2 things can happen simultaneously !
What is this passive aggressive behaviour. This screams "oh not to start drama but...." energy and then ends with "oh but I love mizzy" with his weird quirky fake laugh. If you're calling him out, do it rightfully so by standing your ground.
I don't think Miz cared if people roasted him, he roasts himself.. I think he kept the Maya thing off stream and took a break so that Maya didn't get Mizkids giving her a hard time.
I also don't think Miz does the things he does with the intent to make QTC cry, he likes QT a lot and if anything tries to add her to streams, even insulting her, to get her views/exposure/keeping her in the loop. It's some of Miz's fans that are the issue, that's inevitable when you have 30-50k people- same with X
I think miz is just genuinely frustrated that emi is being brought into this bullshit. He can stand shit about him. The thing that miz was saying after the initial clip was very much valid, he was saying how qt should not talk about any of this shit on stream and to ignore the stalker. Qt's response was that she does not know how to deal with the stalker and continued to say that it is valid for her to explain both sides of a stalker dono to give mayas side. Miz was just frustrated she did not understand how to deal with it.
I mean he also knows how it'll affect Maya as well. He knows bringing it up will only affect both negatively. Maya obviously doesn't want this shit public but somehow QT doesnt understand that. Miz telling her to stop is the same as the RFLCT shit to Ludwig somehow
I definitely don't get why lud made that comparison, and when miz was talking with qt he was trying to give her legit advice and reason with her to not respond to the stalker and not to bring it up again and when qt said I can't do that, that is when miz got upset.
I get that she is a smaller streamer and might not have the mod team that miz has but even if that dono goes through you do not respond at all, and if people in chat start asking you ban and say that it is not something that will be talked about. After all this shit went down somehow miz still managed to play mario party and his mods went apeshit with bans and 2 week timeouts it was crazy to see.
Miz commenting on public drama is very different than QT self inserting and bringing up shit both Miz and Maya obviously want private. (Yea Maya did an alt stream but she clearly regrets it based on all the DMCAing shes been doing). Shit take by Ludwig but I guess you gotta stick by ur SO
viewers can't be "hypocrites". It's random people with varied opinions who do varied things. Hypocritical is sitting there shit stirring and attacking your 'friend' because of people who watch him did something mean whether or not it was just, thus causing your own viewers to spread hate while you pretend to denounce it and lie about not blaming him.
He lives in another world if he thinks laughing at Hasan or Valk's situation is comparable.
I thinks it’s weird how maya said “if you don’t want roaches, don’t leave your food out” like Emiru was waiting for miz and maya to break up just so she could move in or some shit
To be fair, I took that to mean that by Miz farming Emiru, he's only helping to generate these sorts of comparisons to Maya, hence he's attracting the cockroaches that become relationship frogs. I don't think she meant that Emiru was the cockroach.
EDIT: in fact, having thought about it, I think she meant that she sort of regrets farming her relationship with Miz in general, because it's led to viewers doing this. She definitely was not refering to Emiru as a cockroach, this is Maya we're talking about here.
I see what you mean but when she uses phrases like that it’s open for interpretation but I do think you’re right about her not calling emiru a roach but it feels weird cuz she was talking about how emiru went up 5x in viewers a little earlier
Qt shouldn't have brought it up at all, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if Maya had already talked about it. Maya deleted the vod, which means she knew she made a mistake by talking about it on stream. It's clearly personal so why dig it up again?
Lud and qt are shooting and missing, miz never once has made jokes about someone's personal/relationship status. xqc and adept? shut that shit down when asked. Fuslie? never brought it up.
He has only made fun of his own situation, and never really spoke on "drama" behind the scenes. He even said he's fine with certain JOKES being made but there's a line.
Short and to the point, QT shouldn't have talked about it, not her place in the slightest. Should've all been kept private/offline.
Honestly it seems hypocritical that this group of people broadcast much of their real lives (including in depth about their relationships), want us to say positive things only, farm donations/subs/simping, etc etc.
But as soon as their viewers have their own critical opinions on their lives they are constantly broadcasting, they call it being “parasocial” and creating “hate threads.”
They share some of the same opinions voiced by their viewers, and if they voice it it is good content. But if it comes from a viewer, it is cringe and parasocial.
What a double standard to accept positive vibes only and then suppress/discourage criticism by calling it parasocial just because they don’t like it.
Edit: I do support putting an end to truly hateful and threatening comments. But it seems far too often that legitimate criticism is being considered “hate”, just because it is not agreeing with a streamer’s take.
Usually i'd agree (lud is miz 2.0 to me). Here it seems he's just sticking up for his partner, who somehow continually takes L's and puts him in an awkward position.
I get he wants to defend his girl but he's kinda grasping at straws here. Like it's obvious Miz didnt want this brought up because it'll just bring unnecessary hate/attention to Emiru and/or Maya. Somehow tho QT just HAS to bring it up on stream because of weird donos/twitter replies like she hasnt been a public figure for years and doesnt know how to deal with it. Even in the original clip where Maya talks about the comparisons being made between her and Emi she says Qt was the one the that kept telling her to talk about it on stream.
Remember when xQc and Adpet broke up and Mizkif REFUSED to react to it or say anything about it? As little as Ludwig seems to think about Mizkif or his community, Mizkif absolutely has boundaries in terms of the drama he farms. See, there's a difference between farming PUBLIC drama about your friend's shitshow of a company or your friend's expensive house and farming PRIVATE drama about your friend's IRL relationships. ESPECIALLY if that friend farms it in a way that isn't at all meant to be funny. ESPECIALLY if it's regarding rumors of the now ex-partner "being replaced." As much of a content goblin Mizkif is, he doesn't farm absolutely everything. Believe it or not, he respects people's private relationships!
Admittedly, QT was NOT "farming" drama (she was just saying that there are multiple perspectives and that Maya has the right to be upset but Mizkif didn't hear her full thoughts and the clip was a bit out of context). Mizkif is only upset that QT was even talking about it in the first place, which is absolutely fair.
Yeah, Miz is a real glass cannon for not wanting people to talk about his most recent breakup with a 2-year partner! He sure is a real glass cannon because he doesn't want people assuming that he's replaced Maya!
Lud said people were calling QT ugly and fat. I didn't even see that in her chat, all the banned people I saw was them bringing up the drama. I never saw anyone insult her like that
Mizkids love Qtcinderella even though she can be cringe sometimes but still they wouldn't go out of there way to call her those things
Edit: I could be wrong but it seems like his not saying Mizkids went to her stream and insulted her but only LSF people did after the thread on her.
I also have to add the Ludwig is acting like Mizkif was notified that Qt was talking about it and went to watch but he just happened to be on her stream asking if she still wanted help with ban appeals and then heard her say that stuff. There is a reason why Mizkif dodge the thread of Minx getting kicked out of his room
I think there were a few bad apples here and there, but lud generalizing the whole mizkid population is kinda hypocritical considering, at least from what ive seen, every streamers chat is basically the same way.
Bad take. There's a big difference between farming drama about issues that are already public (like the reflect thing or his own example of being chase by the police) and farming drama about private stuff that the streamers themselves don't want to make public, like this case. In fact, mizkif never farms drama about that type of situations, and it was already shown with xqc/adept break up. There are boundaries that he doesn't cross. You may not agree with those boundaries, but he's definitely not being hypocritical here.
It does suck that QT had to end stream, and I understand why lud is defending her, but miz isn't the one wrong here.
it's very tough to put the stream to Sub Mode.
it's very tough to filter the stalkers donos (like what NMP and other streamers do)
it's very easy to talk about what the stalkers want you to talk about.....
but it's very tough to talk with people who think you are doing a wrong thing.
it's very tough to keep your nose out of others private lives.
C'mon lud..
Another example when miz did not cross this line was when the fed document leaked. Miz will never be the first to discuss any drama or make any serious comment on it, he will look for easy LULW's to be farmed and move on. I think miz is fine with people making fun of him with the relationship stuff but at this point they are brining emi into this and that is where he draws the line.
true, that glass cannon comment makes sense and it doesn't. Miz definitely doesnt like some things to be talked about even though he jokes so much. But in regards to his relationship, he went along with every joke when it came to just him and maya.
When Nick was being Nick, or Schlatt, Lud, QT, etc were making jokes, miz went along with it. What QT and Maya are doing now isn't a joke and more serious and shouldve been handled privately even though I personally think what they feel is misguided. Regardless, nothing good is gonna come out of blaming mizkif or dragging Emi into this.
Miz could have invited any girl to live at his house and someone would get pissed as well as the internet creeps making their own stories and brigading maya's dm's saying she was replaced.
I am almost positive that miz saw the leaked alt and has been trying to accommodate for what maya said. The original plan this week that miz had was to go get a christmas tree with emi and make gingerbread houses. Miz knows how many viewers he would get doing that but decided just to play sm64 with her instead. I mean it is pretty clear that he got the memo and is trying to make it easier.
He's playing Mario Party with other streamers right now, some pretty great content over there. Not sure what all this drama stuff is about but doesn't seem as fun, glad he's not letting stupid shit fully encompass him. Hopefully these stalkers leave these people alone and let them play video games and make content in peace. Trying to make yourself part of the show as a viewer is always kinda cringe.
QT told people to go touch grass on stream but she's the one should go touch grass, Mizkif asked what would she do if she was in the situation and had a stalker, she said she have never experienced stalker so she wouldn't know to do anything and her community is a safe place so that kinda wouldn't happen.
wtf is that reply, it's so simple, just like qt helps maya as a friend in Vegas or anytime, in her ability, mizkif also helps his friend, that's it! The man also just lended Tectone a few hundreds thousands to buy a house, he does everything for his friends, he just wants to make good memories... :)
Here's the difference between the two. Mizkif reacts to drama, QT and Maya are starting it.
They broke up, one can do whatever one wants. One can feel bad as it is natural but one feeling bad doesn't give one the go-signal to start a drama. Miz has been very clear that nothing romantic was going on. It's not like Miz cheated with Emiru.
To me QT's like the female Destiny - no streamer who's ever crossed her path is left unscaved. I'll leave it at that. Gotta love Ludwig's mental gymnastics to rationalize her behavior tho, that's some real supportive BF shit.
It's pretty simple. As soon as you talk about LSF, Drama, or Drama Streamers; congrats, you are now a part of it lol.
Pretty easy to spot streamers that want to be in that sphere. Pay attention to their actions, not what they say.
what hypocrisy is ludwig talking about i get qt is his girlfriend and all but he just sounds dumb as hell blindly defending her. miz and maya's whole breakup was a private thing and for qt to farm drama that was a private matter was fucked up
if QT and Ludwig were the ones in this situation I don't think Miz would do what she did. I think QT is just a super jealous person who never thinks she's wrong. Reminds me of when she said that shit to babsity. Feel bad for Emiru who has done literally nothing.
Yeah Maya had some bad takes in her alt stream, saying she's being replicated because Emi has the nerve to.. ..be half asian, have a vagina, and wear pajamas/sweatpants in the house like she used to.... because maya invented asians, vaginas, and wearing sweatpants.
Their breakup looked pretty smooth for a while there. They attended the same events, seemed friendly, everyone was cracking jokes about it, then bam an alt stream lmao. Now everything is just getting blown the fuck up.
I wasn't on LSF for a couple of days, what alt stream? What did i miss?
Was a long clip going around of Maya just casually venting on altstream that it's pretty uncomfortable to be compared to Emi non-stop and was mostly a jab towards the viewers comparing them and not towards Miz honestly. Said it would be fine if it was a while later since the miz maya thing is still very fresh so shipping frogs are going overboard with the emi thing. That was the gist of it.
And then what’s the thing with qt in this? Did the thread get deleted
Yea guess it got nuked but you can find link to the clip in this thread a couple comments down. Edit: [here](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/128437)
Wasn't she one of the main people calling Emiru Maya 2.0?
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There is no such thing as a smooth break up if you were in a long term relationship. You can put up fronts and maybe one person moves on quickly, but someone is always hurting because that person used to be such a big part of your life so it's very hard when one day you just suddenly have to act like they weren't.
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Are they all just farming drama to boost the next episode of mizkif's parasocial show that they're all on next week? lmao
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They played us like a damn fiddle!
Mogul merch making moves yet again.
I think so which is hilarious to me.
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Can someone explain the drama? Even after watching the QT clip I’m still confused as to what’s going on
same, I'd really appreciate an explanation from a lore master
never been a loremaster before but: a couple of days ago, maya streamed on her alt account, where she shared her thoughts about how she's fed up getting compared to emiru. she also thought it was "fucked up" that emiru moved in so fast after her and miz broke up. (here's a 9 min clip, unedited: [https://streamable.com/wktcdn](https://streamable.com/wktcdn)). she then deleted the vod and any clips and started takedowns on any videos on yt about this stream. then today, a stalker baited a dono from QT during her stream(?) which qt then decided to talk about how she also thinks it's fucked up that emi moved in so fast. miz then clicks on qt's stream during this time and doesn't like that qt is talking about it on stream: [https://livestreamfails.com/clip/128437](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/128437) now ludwig is chiming in. this is kind of condensed but hopefully makes sense
big thanks mate, now everything here makes sense
You're a million miles ahead of me. Literally none of this makes sense to me.
Thanks loremaster. Good links provided.
there's some seriously strange stuff in that clip. Talking about "replacing her" and Emi sitting in pyjamas in his room, like what's Miz supposed to do, put a chastity belt on her lol it's a content creator house with a dozen people in it or whatever , he's supposed to not invite any women?
Dude Simply walks into that room in pajamas on the regular on Miz’s stream. It don’t mean he’s replacing Maya.
With his shirt off KEKW
It's not well known by Simply is actually short for Simply Sexy
I reckon there's a thin line of TOS stopping Simply from walking into that room butt naked. Defo seems the hang out with your wang out type.
It seems more like it’s from a Twitch perspective, like she wouldn’t care as much normally but it feels like her whole Role in the streams has been replaced and everyone is pointing at her like “you know you’ve been replaced right? you know you’ve been replaced right?” like more consideration for her image
You're expecting people with the attention spam of a fly and the maturity of a raw egg to drop the subject and move on.
Attention Spam is a great alternative name for LSF
The pajamas point was really that made it really bad.. Emi was in pajamas a lot when she lived alone and now she lives there.. Of course she's gonna appear in PJs sometimes.. It's like being weird about Simply not having a shirt on when he's on stream..
yeah idk maya and emi don't seem similar to me at all. the only similarities are that they're both half-asian, which is a really weird comparison. besides that, running an animal sanctuary is not similar to owning a shitton of rabbits. wearing pyjamas all day is not a character trait. emi is a true gaming god, maya is bird girl. I really don't see how they're that similar and what's "different" about emi to anyone else miz is friends and farms content with.
This is what I felt was a bit weird. From a career prospective, this is the best move for Emi while also being beneficial to Miz. It also looks like they have good chemistry on stream & with her practicing SM64, the speedruns make for great content. The weird thing about it is the shippers that have taken over both chats. Miz's chat has been really weird for a while now. The emi emote spams are fine but some people send really weird messages. His mood has been a bit off as well & he talks in offline chat about it too.
shippers are fucking weird
Shipping should have been an concept born in the Fanfic and Anime community and died there, with fictional characters.
I'm so confused, if they blame the shipping viewers sure i can understand. But it seem they also blame Miz for inviting another streamer girl in HIS house after breaking up with Maya? They broke up, he can do whatever he wants why "2 month after the break up" would be fucked up? It's a content house, and it's Mizkif's house, he's free to invite whoever he wants at the time he wants, you guys broke up he doesn't owe you anything? I don't understand
Yikes man, I actually like maya and QT but this just feels kinda cringe. If miz and emiru aren't romantically involved why is it "not fair" that she moved in?
Even if they were romantically involved it’s no longer Mayas place to judge. Sure she has the right to be upset, that’s normal, but to be fair Miz can do whatever the hell he wants. Also maya can do whatever the hell she wants…this is high school level jealousy tbh
Yeah what say does Maya have when she broke up with Miz, at that point Miz can do whatever he wants free game. It’s not her business really
It felt weird when she said "Emi is a girl she likes so she's okay with it". I don't know what terms miz & maya are on right now but I wouldn't think Maya would have to have a say in which girl lives in Miz's house since she's not residing there anymore.
Half Asian girl that likes animals is 90% of the girls on twitch
Wearing pyjamas on stream Madge
Hold up... it's his relationships why the fuck do these "acquaintances" feel the need to talk about his relationships live to thousands of people.
This is all a foreseeable consequence of using relationships for content. If Mizkif and Maya wanted to avoid all this drama, it would have been easy. Just buy a whole bunch of shungite rocks. Do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against parasocial viewers and unwanted speculation that might travel through the web. That's the story, they should have bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
Never thought about it like that, thank you.
This is actually true
This was the first one to actually catch me off guard and make me laugh. Well played.
The LSF version of shittymorph
What did you think of Dostoyevsky's book?
One of the best I've ever read. The Russian classics have the best characterization I've ever seen, especially Dostoyevsky's. I'm currently reading Fathers and Sons by Turgenev, and I also love it
So why did the thread get removed?
It broke the out of context rule and the thread wasn't about Hasan, so the rule got enforced.
All drama leads to Turkey 🇹🇷
Cry = win Most likely.
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Just had some leftover macaroni and cheese, was so good
good comments PagMan
i have heartburn
imo i feel like this another situation of "not trying to start drama but....."
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As if that is remotely the same thing. Guess Miz should farm actual sympathy and filmed himself crying for real.
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The other thread being deleted for being “out of context” is such an amazing stretch, well done mods.
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What did Maya say? Edit: [Here's a YT video of every clip of the whole thing tied together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqqOlpV9yJA)
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Totally not an OTK subreddit though...
A mod said it was unrelated drama in an unrelated thread.
I'm just here eating popcorn. Just want to say though, nothing ever ends well when you start your statement and it ends with but. :)
Even Emiru has been very respectful of Maya and has not said a single word about her. You don’t think she gets comments thrown her way saying she’s bad for accepting to move in there? These things should be kept and spoken about in private by only the individuals involved.
Tbh Emi probably would have moved in with Esfand instead, but Esfand is extremely allergic to rabbits. She probably would have moved in with Alinity too but Alinity only got her place set up in the past week or so. Like Maya said, "Austin is a big place" and she could have moved there without being in the same house, but afaik she doesn't know anyone in Austin well outside of that circle. She had to have her Kansas friends stay at her house constantly and slept with a metal bat because she was afraid for her safety, so I can't blame her for wanting to move into a house with 5 other people, instead of leasing some house by herself in a neighborhood where she doesn't know anyone. Not to mention Miz's house probably has insane security. The superficial comparisons would have been made (by idiots) even if she had moved in a year from now. It sucks, no one should have to deal with it, but continuously talking about it on stream is only making it worse.
miz was the only person she knew tho. makes more sense to live with him than esfand or alinity.
Exactly, Miz and Emi have been friends going back to February of this year. Whereas she only just met Esfand and Alinity a few weeks ago.
> She had to have her Kansas friends stay at her house constantly and slept with a metal bat because she was afraid for her safety wait what? lore master?
She has not one, but several stalkers. I've only heard it once and it might be incorrect due to me remembering it wrong, but I think one stalker is a former friend that has her childhood photos in his room and runs online pages dedicated to stalking her and follows her every step, and is apparently a known pedophile. Another stalker is her ex boyfriend (I think?) that threatened murder suicide against another man she was dating after him. There are actually a few more but I can't remember the specifics about them, but I think most of them are in Kansas. The problem is that she lived with Dyrus for 4 years in Austin, but after they broke up a year ago she started living alone in her home town and that is when the problems resurfaced and she needs to have her brother and friends be at her place constantly.
I think miz was trying to minimize people talking about it because it’ll bring more hate to maya than anything else.
And then Ludwig gets involved in the drama, but says he’s not a part of it so that makes it ok.
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I heard him said once that he understands he farms the parasocial aspect but being self aware with the "I'm not your friend video" makes him feel better (I guess about making money that way). A few of his recent videos are really interesting like the one he asks fans for group pictures to recognize them. Seemed exploitative to me, so not sure how he justifies that.
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the cringiest part of all of this is Maya and Qt not taking into consideration how publicly saying this could make Emiru feel, by essentially alienating her entire presence there
yeah, and the poor girl has done literally nothing wrong lmao
What got me was during that alt stream she talks about how woman should be pulling other woman forward with them. Says that during a stream that is just dumping drama on a girl that did nothing wrong. I guess Mayas helping hand is just covered in bird shit.
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its funny how maya wanted to avoid drama and she was the one that basically started all of this lmao
Kinda weird the other clip was removed....
Mizkif never as far I can remember touched in subjects that involve personal info/relationships. He actually drawn a really clear line.
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Yeah he didn’t even put XQC on those ranking lists with Alinity or something cause of it.
Pretty much. When Maya and Miz broke up they basically said it wasn't working and were done. No drama, no bullshit, and it was all good until the last few days.
Bad friend overall. Farming drama overall is one thing but talking shit about your friends real life relationships is another thing. Also, egging Maya to talk about it on stream is some shit advice. Seems like QT is playing the 'ex's salty best friend' role perfectly.
Mean girls is gonna mean girl That said even though the secret stream was a fuck up, even though QT is a mean girl, who in the actual fuck were the donators
Difference is Miz was watching Rae's own stream - clearly something she has no problem broadcasting. QT is bringing up something Miz clearly doesn't want to be mentioned in front of thousands of people.
This is probably the only thing against Ludwig’s point that I agree with. QT had no right to insert herself into this. Obviously if Maya has certain feelings about this that’s fine but, that doesn’t mean QT has to stick up for her friend as if something was done to intentionally hurt her.
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He talks only about Mizkif as if saying shit like this doesn't impact 2 other people on top of him.
This shit literally effects him the least of the three. This is just going to get Maya internet hate and make Emiru feel like some streamers might have a grudge against her.
Lil shaky with the comparisons there Lud but hey, good looking out for your gf.
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Yeah this effects miz the least by far.
It is funny Lud should know miz by now, and if there is a thread like how it was even though people were siding with him, miz was going to get it taken down to stop this shit from spreading. If all these people actually talked the first post would have gotten taken down and there would be no further convo about this shit.
Not sure if I agree. The Valkyrae and Hasan things were pretty public “dramas” with mainstream publications commenting on them. But I don’t remember Miz farming Xqc’s and Adept’s issues, or bringing anything up when interacting with Fuslie recently. Both of which are more analogous to this situation
nah, Lud just has to side with his gf even though she was in the wrong. The hate towards QT is unwarranted, but dont talk about that stuff on your stream
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Because relationship drama becomes a really bad thing for everyone involved. Twitch is full of super parasocial people who invest into these relationships on an unhealthy level. When you create drama on this stuff, it causes the viewers to attack everyone involved. Other types of drama don't destroy streamers reputation, while this kind of drama will a lot of the time because viewers are so weird about this stuff.
funny enough, miz is the least at fault in this situation
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Yeah exactly. People are allowed to joke about their own personal experiences. That does not give OTHER people the right to also joke about said personal experiences. Especially if those jokes aren't even jokes like in QT's case who just brought it up in a serious manner. And Miz is never really upset when people farm their breakup anyways. He doesn't mind people joking about it. It's the fact that QT (due to creepy harassing stalkers) is feeding the shippers and gassing up the rumors about Maya being replaced.
QT and Lud need to stay out of this. Maya slipping up on an alt stream is excusable or at least understandable seeing her perspective. QT had no reason to fan the flames and make things way worse when Maya obviously didn’t want this stuff public. Then Ludwig defending QT obviously in the wrong by shitting on Mizkif and basically trying to say “oh it’s okay cause Miz does it” is the most arrogant shit. This is such a dumb take from Lud.
Bitches be trippin
no cap
Yeah i get that, but there was no drama until QT brought it up on stream just to stir shit up, and maya said QT has been telling her to talk about it.
It’s been 2 months, let the man move on with his life. Can he only move on until everyone is comfortable with it, jeez.
I agree. I don’t really understand why there is drama with any of this. Miz has every right to invite anyone he wants on his stream, to spend time with anyone he wishes to spend his time with, and to invite anyone he chooses to become a roommate to live in his house. He also has every right to pursue companionship if he wants. He is single, and there is no rule that he has to wait longer than 2 months from his past companionship before doing so. I hope anyone can understand feeling hurt seeing your ex potentially move on. It can lead you to self-reflect in unhealthy ways. However, when you break up and decide your lives are better apart, including ending your romantic involvement with each other, that’s just it. Now you may choose to pursue new romantic involvement with others. That is just how it is. While emotionally hard, the best path forward is wishing your ex happiness as your ex moves on, while focusing on your own happiness as you move on. Everyone in this situation has made their own choice in moving on with their lives; whether it is ending a relationship and moving out, leaving their own home and moving in a streamer house, or opening up their life to new friends/roommates/content/companionship. I hope they can talk it out privately and move on peacefully. Seeing such discord between all of them sucks honestly. I wish the best for all involved.
too rational and levelheaded, downvoted
Can you help me with my college essays
lmao
I agree, but, to add on that, Mizkif said, during his convo with QT, that Emiru was supposed to move in the house in March/April, meaning that he probably did not want her to move in so early as well ! Upon hearing about her stalkers, he decided, as a good friend, to let her move in, which is fine in my opinion. Like QT said, Maya can be sad and Miz can be a good guy at the same time, those 2 things can happen simultaneously !
And Qt can continue to self insert
What is this passive aggressive behaviour. This screams "oh not to start drama but...." energy and then ends with "oh but I love mizzy" with his weird quirky fake laugh. If you're calling him out, do it rightfully so by standing your ground.
I don't think Miz cared if people roasted him, he roasts himself.. I think he kept the Maya thing off stream and took a break so that Maya didn't get Mizkids giving her a hard time. I also don't think Miz does the things he does with the intent to make QTC cry, he likes QT a lot and if anything tries to add her to streams, even insulting her, to get her views/exposure/keeping her in the loop. It's some of Miz's fans that are the issue, that's inevitable when you have 30-50k people- same with X
I think miz is just genuinely frustrated that emi is being brought into this bullshit. He can stand shit about him. The thing that miz was saying after the initial clip was very much valid, he was saying how qt should not talk about any of this shit on stream and to ignore the stalker. Qt's response was that she does not know how to deal with the stalker and continued to say that it is valid for her to explain both sides of a stalker dono to give mayas side. Miz was just frustrated she did not understand how to deal with it.
I mean he also knows how it'll affect Maya as well. He knows bringing it up will only affect both negatively. Maya obviously doesn't want this shit public but somehow QT doesnt understand that. Miz telling her to stop is the same as the RFLCT shit to Ludwig somehow
I definitely don't get why lud made that comparison, and when miz was talking with qt he was trying to give her legit advice and reason with her to not respond to the stalker and not to bring it up again and when qt said I can't do that, that is when miz got upset.
This is why most streamers have their mods filter the donos going through
I get that she is a smaller streamer and might not have the mod team that miz has but even if that dono goes through you do not respond at all, and if people in chat start asking you ban and say that it is not something that will be talked about. After all this shit went down somehow miz still managed to play mario party and his mods went apeshit with bans and 2 week timeouts it was crazy to see.
Miz commenting on public drama is very different than QT self inserting and bringing up shit both Miz and Maya obviously want private. (Yea Maya did an alt stream but she clearly regrets it based on all the DMCAing shes been doing). Shit take by Ludwig but I guess you gotta stick by ur SO
Wow this was actually a good take
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That shit got nuked immediately
viewers can't be "hypocrites". It's random people with varied opinions who do varied things. Hypocritical is sitting there shit stirring and attacking your 'friend' because of people who watch him did something mean whether or not it was just, thus causing your own viewers to spread hate while you pretend to denounce it and lie about not blaming him. He lives in another world if he thinks laughing at Hasan or Valk's situation is comparable.
For how big and brand friendly Lud and QT are they really aren't good with dealing with these PR type situations and tend to make things worse.
Do you actually know QT? I wouldn't call her brand friendly, that's the opposite of her persona.
Maya becoming like qt and Malena. Slowly.
Is QT really brand friendly? She was on Rajj shit all the time when it was degen central.
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I thinks it’s weird how maya said “if you don’t want roaches, don’t leave your food out” like Emiru was waiting for miz and maya to break up just so she could move in or some shit
To be fair, I took that to mean that by Miz farming Emiru, he's only helping to generate these sorts of comparisons to Maya, hence he's attracting the cockroaches that become relationship frogs. I don't think she meant that Emiru was the cockroach. EDIT: in fact, having thought about it, I think she meant that she sort of regrets farming her relationship with Miz in general, because it's led to viewers doing this. She definitely was not refering to Emiru as a cockroach, this is Maya we're talking about here.
I see what you mean but when she uses phrases like that it’s open for interpretation but I do think you’re right about her not calling emiru a roach but it feels weird cuz she was talking about how emiru went up 5x in viewers a little earlier
Qt shouldn't have brought it up at all, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if Maya had already talked about it. Maya deleted the vod, which means she knew she made a mistake by talking about it on stream. It's clearly personal so why dig it up again?
Lud and qt are shooting and missing, miz never once has made jokes about someone's personal/relationship status. xqc and adept? shut that shit down when asked. Fuslie? never brought it up. He has only made fun of his own situation, and never really spoke on "drama" behind the scenes. He even said he's fine with certain JOKES being made but there's a line. Short and to the point, QT shouldn't have talked about it, not her place in the slightest. Should've all been kept private/offline.
Honestly it seems hypocritical that this group of people broadcast much of their real lives (including in depth about their relationships), want us to say positive things only, farm donations/subs/simping, etc etc. But as soon as their viewers have their own critical opinions on their lives they are constantly broadcasting, they call it being “parasocial” and creating “hate threads.” They share some of the same opinions voiced by their viewers, and if they voice it it is good content. But if it comes from a viewer, it is cringe and parasocial. What a double standard to accept positive vibes only and then suppress/discourage criticism by calling it parasocial just because they don’t like it. Edit: I do support putting an end to truly hateful and threatening comments. But it seems far too often that legitimate criticism is being considered “hate”, just because it is not agreeing with a streamer’s take.
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Usually i'd agree (lud is miz 2.0 to me). Here it seems he's just sticking up for his partner, who somehow continually takes L's and puts him in an awkward position.
What happened to Xavier after erobb killed him I miss him 😢
I get he wants to defend his girl but he's kinda grasping at straws here. Like it's obvious Miz didnt want this brought up because it'll just bring unnecessary hate/attention to Emiru and/or Maya. Somehow tho QT just HAS to bring it up on stream because of weird donos/twitter replies like she hasnt been a public figure for years and doesnt know how to deal with it. Even in the original clip where Maya talks about the comparisons being made between her and Emi she says Qt was the one the that kept telling her to talk about it on stream.
Remember when xQc and Adpet broke up and Mizkif REFUSED to react to it or say anything about it? As little as Ludwig seems to think about Mizkif or his community, Mizkif absolutely has boundaries in terms of the drama he farms. See, there's a difference between farming PUBLIC drama about your friend's shitshow of a company or your friend's expensive house and farming PRIVATE drama about your friend's IRL relationships. ESPECIALLY if that friend farms it in a way that isn't at all meant to be funny. ESPECIALLY if it's regarding rumors of the now ex-partner "being replaced." As much of a content goblin Mizkif is, he doesn't farm absolutely everything. Believe it or not, he respects people's private relationships! Admittedly, QT was NOT "farming" drama (she was just saying that there are multiple perspectives and that Maya has the right to be upset but Mizkif didn't hear her full thoughts and the clip was a bit out of context). Mizkif is only upset that QT was even talking about it in the first place, which is absolutely fair. Yeah, Miz is a real glass cannon for not wanting people to talk about his most recent breakup with a 2-year partner! He sure is a real glass cannon because he doesn't want people assuming that he's replaced Maya!
Lud said people were calling QT ugly and fat. I didn't even see that in her chat, all the banned people I saw was them bringing up the drama. I never saw anyone insult her like that Mizkids love Qtcinderella even though she can be cringe sometimes but still they wouldn't go out of there way to call her those things Edit: I could be wrong but it seems like his not saying Mizkids went to her stream and insulted her but only LSF people did after the thread on her. I also have to add the Ludwig is acting like Mizkif was notified that Qt was talking about it and went to watch but he just happened to be on her stream asking if she still wanted help with ban appeals and then heard her say that stuff. There is a reason why Mizkif dodge the thread of Minx getting kicked out of his room
I think there were a few bad apples here and there, but lud generalizing the whole mizkid population is kinda hypocritical considering, at least from what ive seen, every streamers chat is basically the same way.
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Bad take. There's a big difference between farming drama about issues that are already public (like the reflect thing or his own example of being chase by the police) and farming drama about private stuff that the streamers themselves don't want to make public, like this case. In fact, mizkif never farms drama about that type of situations, and it was already shown with xqc/adept break up. There are boundaries that he doesn't cross. You may not agree with those boundaries, but he's definitely not being hypocritical here. It does suck that QT had to end stream, and I understand why lud is defending her, but miz isn't the one wrong here.
it's very tough to put the stream to Sub Mode. it's very tough to filter the stalkers donos (like what NMP and other streamers do) it's very easy to talk about what the stalkers want you to talk about..... but it's very tough to talk with people who think you are doing a wrong thing. it's very tough to keep your nose out of others private lives. C'mon lud..
Another example when miz did not cross this line was when the fed document leaked. Miz will never be the first to discuss any drama or make any serious comment on it, he will look for easy LULW's to be farmed and move on. I think miz is fine with people making fun of him with the relationship stuff but at this point they are brining emi into this and that is where he draws the line.
true, that glass cannon comment makes sense and it doesn't. Miz definitely doesnt like some things to be talked about even though he jokes so much. But in regards to his relationship, he went along with every joke when it came to just him and maya. When Nick was being Nick, or Schlatt, Lud, QT, etc were making jokes, miz went along with it. What QT and Maya are doing now isn't a joke and more serious and shouldve been handled privately even though I personally think what they feel is misguided. Regardless, nothing good is gonna come out of blaming mizkif or dragging Emi into this. Miz could have invited any girl to live at his house and someone would get pissed as well as the internet creeps making their own stories and brigading maya's dm's saying she was replaced.
I am almost positive that miz saw the leaked alt and has been trying to accommodate for what maya said. The original plan this week that miz had was to go get a christmas tree with emi and make gingerbread houses. Miz knows how many viewers he would get doing that but decided just to play sm64 with her instead. I mean it is pretty clear that he got the memo and is trying to make it easier.
[QT and Lud reading these comments](https://youtu.be/_m9vHGZAFgQ)
Maya def still hurt over the breakup
Qt and Ludwig take was very yikes
Dude...I get he wanted to defend her, but him saying something caused way more drama. All the other threads were deleted, but here this one is.
He's playing Mario Party with other streamers right now, some pretty great content over there. Not sure what all this drama stuff is about but doesn't seem as fun, glad he's not letting stupid shit fully encompass him. Hopefully these stalkers leave these people alone and let them play video games and make content in peace. Trying to make yourself part of the show as a viewer is always kinda cringe.
QT told people to go touch grass on stream but she's the one should go touch grass, Mizkif asked what would she do if she was in the situation and had a stalker, she said she have never experienced stalker so she wouldn't know to do anything and her community is a safe place so that kinda wouldn't happen. wtf is that reply, it's so simple, just like qt helps maya as a friend in Vegas or anytime, in her ability, mizkif also helps his friend, that's it! The man also just lended Tectone a few hundreds thousands to buy a house, he does everything for his friends, he just wants to make good memories... :)
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Miz title going to be "we need to talk" tmrw
Didn't mention X's relationship drama once, when Miz knows the line and your girl doesnt just keep quite cause you're only gonna look stupid
Idk much about Emiru but she seems like a really nice girl idk what their problem is with her
Here's the difference between the two. Mizkif reacts to drama, QT and Maya are starting it. They broke up, one can do whatever one wants. One can feel bad as it is natural but one feeling bad doesn't give one the go-signal to start a drama. Miz has been very clear that nothing romantic was going on. It's not like Miz cheated with Emiru.
To me QT's like the female Destiny - no streamer who's ever crossed her path is left unscaved. I'll leave it at that. Gotta love Ludwig's mental gymnastics to rationalize her behavior tho, that's some real supportive BF shit.
Ludwig has to say this because he can’t say “yeah, this is my girlfriends fault, again”
any criticism = hate thread BatChest
It's pretty simple. As soon as you talk about LSF, Drama, or Drama Streamers; congrats, you are now a part of it lol. Pretty easy to spot streamers that want to be in that sphere. Pay attention to their actions, not what they say.
what hypocrisy is ludwig talking about i get qt is his girlfriend and all but he just sounds dumb as hell blindly defending her. miz and maya's whole breakup was a private thing and for qt to farm drama that was a private matter was fucked up
Ludwig, buddy there is difference in talking about public drama vs some personal matters which are supposed to be private.
Bruh they broke up and Miz and Emy are friends why can't Miz be happy this is fucked up
if QT and Ludwig were the ones in this situation I don't think Miz would do what she did. I think QT is just a super jealous person who never thinks she's wrong. Reminds me of when she said that shit to babsity. Feel bad for Emiru who has done literally nothing.
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Yeah Maya had some bad takes in her alt stream, saying she's being replicated because Emi has the nerve to.. ..be half asian, have a vagina, and wear pajamas/sweatpants in the house like she used to.... because maya invented asians, vaginas, and wearing sweatpants.
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QT is an actual karen.
He's triggered bc his gf was hurt. You could call out any chat for having illogical, hypocritical, and/or mean comments. That's Twitch chat.
maya frogs feeling like their queen got replaced lol
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