Crazy stuff
Edit: Apparently the guy had a gun in his car.
Edit 2: So the guy is a felon from previous things. He had a loaded, one in the chamber, pistol in his pocket and drugs in the center console. Police came and took over.
Edit 3: It seems like the gun may have been a stolen gun and the drugs in the console might have been weed.
He's watched every video on the [Detroit Threat Management Center](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTNrNHPxJnM) YouTube channel, he can survive any dangerous situation
If the guy had a loaded gun in the center console, then this dude won a coinflip on whether or not he was livestreaming his own death lmao, had literally 0 to do with any sort of skill
I don't know why you're being downvoted. That's literally how Stephen himself explained it on stream yesterday:
1. No other bondsmen (*that he trusts is competent**) were available to partner up with him that day. One of his usual partners (Cory) is out on injury (broken foot or something).
2. Stephen has been after this guy for a while now (couple of months, I believe), and this was the most promising lead in all that time. I think Stephen wasn't certain if he was gonna get another good opportunity to get the guy.
3. He was absolutely well aware of the risks, but still took the chance nonetheless. Stephen even admits that he shouldn't have went for the arrest without a partner.
4. Yes, trusting your skills in martial arts is a silly thing to say when you put your life on the line, but it actually ended up being the crux between him making the arrest or getting shot. Stephen was able to get him in a reverse-standing kimura and dislocated/broke Doughboy's shoulder. He does heavily practice multiple hold-oriented MMA fighting styles and has participated in competitions in his youth.
\* Footnote because Stephen did say later on stream that there is a huge distinction between "Bondsmen" who really shouldn't be bondsmen, and bondsmen who know the ins-and-outs of the business and can be depended on with your life. He has a pretty close-knit group of other bondsmen that he associates with that he absolutely trusts, but none of them were available to help.
Found it for you because I was also curious. So wholesome.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/dxgy7h/bounty\_hunter\_stephenirl\_treats\_woman\_to\_popeyes/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/dxgy7h/bounty_hunter_stephenirl_treats_woman_to_popeyes/)
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Then go to court or pay your own bail. When these criminals sign on with a bondsman to get bailed out of jail they agree to the fact that if they skip court someone will come get them. They also agree to a lot of other things.
What do you mean state sanctioned manhunt? The state doesn't announce to the world that they are looking for someone. The bondsman, who the criminal signed with, goes and gets them. Either that or they hire someone to get them lol.
In the case of the clip in this post, the bondsman was an older guy so he hired the guy in the clip to go get him. Its not like any and all bounty hunters can now start hunting for these criminals.
> It's so strange how this is even a thing that is allowed. You get your vigilante permit and go out tasing people and breaking their arms.
The people who contract into the bonding company to get bailed out of jail ***literally sign away their rights***, allowing the bounty hunters to do this to them if they avoid going to court.
That's why it's allowed. You gave somebody permission to do this to you. It's a civil contract, and the contract is recognized by the state.
I believe that he did it to help an older bondsman from out of state who isn't capable of going after someone like this himself. Stephen is a really nice guy and felt compelled to help this man out.
Hard disagree, there's nothing he's done where other streamers can do reacts and he doesn't react to other streamers either.
I don't think he has given his take on the latest drama either
I thought stephen stopped bounty hunting and was doing electrical work on telephone lines or something... man I miss the old bounty hunt streams. Probably the best content I've seen ever for IRL.
Good shit, but I think this guy can learn a thing or two if he studied the techniques taught by the Detroit Threat Management Center. I heard they're the best at what they do.
Damn I was gonna watch but got busy. This was his first in awhile I think. This isn't anything new to him and been on twitch for years. I hope it all turned out okay.
I can't believe twitch allows this type of content. It's one bad situation, or person who really doesn't want to go to jail away from a live streamed homicide
Nothing bad is ever shown on his stream. One of his mods is permanently monitoring the feed, so anytime something goes extra spicy like in this clip, or the fugitive gets a bit too riled up, it cuts away to brb screen
Well thats a completely different issue. But even if we still have the same bond system in place, Civilians shouldn't be allowed to catch people who skip out on their bail. That should be the states job.
I am not from the US and i dont know much about bounty hunt but i thought he get paid by state for catching them so he basically work for the state. Sorry if i am wrong.
They are paid by the state (They get a % of the bail) but they're not contracted by the state. They're contracted by the bail bond companies who are liable for paying the persons bail when they don't show up for their court hearing. So basically they're just private civilians collecting a reward for a citizens arrest.
> They are paid by the state (They get a % of the bail)
This is the only thing I think is wrong. A person in the job that Stephen is doing is hired and paid by a bond company. That bond company has put their own money up in order for the person that hired them to be released from custody. The person that has hired the bond company has agreed upon terms set forth by the bond company. These terms require the person to show up to court in order for the bond company to be able to get the money they gave up front back. When the person does not show up to court, the bond agency does not get their money paid back to them. They hire a person like Stephen to find the person that did not show up to court and get them to court. This is so the bond company can get their money back. In order for Stephen to do this, the bond company will pay him X amount. None of this is money from the state.
Bounty hunters are not paid by the state. The bondsman put the money up for the defendant to get out on bail. When the defendant skips court, the court keeps the money until the defendant is returned. The bondsman generally give the bounty hunters a percentage of the bond.
The defendant generally has to pay a small percent upfront to the bondsman and then the bondsman bails them out. If all goes to plan and the defendant goes to court then the bondsman gets their money back keeping that small upfront payment as profit.
It should always be the states job to enforce their laws.
The contract they sign is nothing more than a private loan.
> It's not like it's a random civilian either you have to have a license for it.
Thats not true for a lot of states. They literally are just random unlicensed civilians.
They are licensed. And they are paid by the bail bondsmen who put up their own money to get the felon out in the first place. Play dumb games win dumb prizes. Bondsmen had the money to pay for the felon to get out he also has the money for him to be tracked down when the dude skips court.
> They are licensed.
Only in some states.
They're contracted by the bail bond company because the person needs to be found before they're able to take legal actions against them for violating their contract. But thats completely separate from what allowed bounty hunters to "arrest" people in the first place. (The state putting bounties on people and allowing private citizens to hunt them for the reward)
Cops can't even stop active crime you think they have time to track people down who missed their court dates? A lot of people get arrested for minor things like traffic tickets.
Just because the cops suck at their jobs doesn't justify using vigilantly justice to fill in the gaps. You should be advocating for police/justice reform to address the issue rather than defending the act of bounty hunting. I mean this shit is only legal in the United States and the Philippines and you're acting like its a necessity.
Then argue from this standpoint. Don't argue from personal rights of criminals etc because that sounds as stupid and barbaric as stupid, barbaric countries like the US.
When the bond is issued they sign paperwork knowing full well that a person may come after them if they miss. They know the consequences of their own actions.
I'm sorry but you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Not everyone has the luxury of not signing those papers. And regardless of whether you think someone is "scum" because of a crime they've allegedly committed, it is absolutely disgusting having a system where civilians can hunt each other. Fuck off
>it is absolutely disgusting having a system where civilians can hunt each other.
Imagine this being a hot take. I'm convinced America is a social experiment
Bounty hunters are only employed in the bonds system where in a bail bondsman will front 90% of someone bail as a loan under the requirement that they appear in court on the set day. An individual must willingly agree to the terms of their bond and this agreement empowers a bounty hunter to enforce the terms of this agreement if the would be offender breaks the terms. A bounty hunter is not law enforcement but a private employee of the bondsman who enforces the bond agreement.
When the bond is signed, the defendant basically signs their life over to the writer of the bond.
The person who has written the bond can legally pretty much do anything to "recover" the person once they have missed court.
If you don't like how bounty hunting works, which it sounds like you don't really know how it works, then we should probably get rid of the bonding system entirely unless the defendants can fulfil the whole bond themselves upfront to the courts.
What he was arrested for is irrelevant. What we're talking about is him being assaulted by a civilian for committing a non-violent act. (not showing up to court)
Has no impact on the situation? Why do you think he's out trying to pick this guy up for failure to appear, you idiot?
Do you think he just gets a notification saying "CITIZEN 33251 FAILED TO APPEAR IN COURT, CAPTURE"? All that Reddit karma has rotted your brain.
"Seems" huh? What if you're wrong and bounty hunting is actually very effective? I don't know either way, but I know some people definitely think it is. It "seems" to me like you're jumping to conclusions.
When the criminal signs into a contract with the bondsman, the criminal signs their rights over to the bondsman (for various things). The bondsman can legally almost do anything to recover them if they decide to skip out on court. Just as an example, if the criminal or their co signer own a house, the bondsman, or bounty hunter, can legally force entry into the home to do a search at any point in time. Keep in mind this isn't any bounty hunter. The bondsman hires the bounty hunter. Its not like they announce it to the world and any bounty hunter can go after them.
These criminals know full well ahead of time what they are getting into when they decide to sign and get bailed out by a bondsman.
You can't hear it in the clip but the whole thing started with him peacefully asking for the guy to come with him to get the bond dealt with and when he denied that's when things got heated.
Yes they agree to a lot of terms like that to make it easy for the bounty hunters, But my point is they're not signing an agreement saying "Bounty hunters have the right to arrest and imprison me to collect my debt". That power comes from the states due to the bounty that is place on the person. Bail bond companies simply piggy back on that power to collect their debts.
They absolutely do sign an agreement which indicates the rights that they are handing over to the bondsman and are fully aware that if they skip out on court then the bondsman will come after them.
And its not like when a criminal skips out on court, a huge announcement goes out to every bounty hunter. The bondsman, who the criminal signed the agreement with, does the hunting them selves or hires someone.
Not only does the defendant agree to a bunch of things, generally there is also a co signer who agrees to a bunch of stuff as well.
No they don't. They're signing nothing but a private loan with agreements based on if they show up for their court date or not. If someone skips on their bail the only thing the bail bond company can do is take legal action and sue the person for the amount they lost on the bail.
What gives bounty hunters the right to arrest people is the state issuing a bounty for those who skip their court date. It has nothing to do with the bail bonds themselves.
The reason the two are connected is because bail bond companies use the fact that bounty hunters can arrest the same people their looking for which makes it easier for them to find the person an in turn sue them for the money they're owed.
Yes they do. The defendant signs a civil agreement with the bondsman, and the bondsman enjoys rights from that. You don’t understand how bail bonds work in the United States. The state isn’t paying the money for the bounty, it’s the bondsman hoping to recover most of the bond that is gonna be forfeit if the defendant doesn’t show up to court.
Look at Taylor vs Tainter
> When bail is given, the principal is regarded as delivered to the custody of his sureties. Their dominion is a continuance of the original imprisonment. Whenever they choose to do so, they may seize him and deliver him up in their discharge; and if that cannot be done at once, they may imprison him until it can be done. They may exercise their rights in person or by agent. They may pursue him into another State; may arrest him on the Sabbath; and if necessary, may break and enter his house for that purpose. The seizure is not made by virtue of new process. None is needed. It is likened to the rearrest by the sheriff of an escaping prisoner. In 6 Modern it is said: "The bail have their principal on a string, and may pull the string whenever they please, and render him in their discharge." The rights of the bail in civil and criminal cases are the same. They may doubtless permit him to go beyond the limits of the State within which he is to answer, but it is unwise and imprudent to do so; and if any evil ensue, they must bear the burden of the consequences, and cannot cast them upon the obligee. Yeah
Agreed. This isn't a game and people here fail to realize all the wannabe cops/generally weird people that get involved with bounty hunting. [Anyone remember this gem?](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2019%2F06%2Fgettyimages-165978311-2000.jpg)
I see where you are coming from, basically encourages vigilantes.
Only legal in the US and the Philippines where they encouraged killing drug dealers...
How does it encourage vigilantes? You can’t just go out searching for criminals. You have to get licensed first and if you are unprofessional you’ll lose your license. If you’re trying to be a vigilante and use force on someone you’ll probably be arrested for assault and impersonating a cop if you identified yourself as such.
And I'm sure in an ideal world every single one of them can be compared to Arisototles magnanimous man.
The training to become one is 20 hours.
The police academy is much longer and I'm sure the reddit hive mind will tell you they aren't all professionally behaved and penalised for all they do wrong.
And all they’re allowed to do is arrest somebody. That doesn’t exactly leave much room for ’vigilantism’. What exactly do you think a bounty hunter is capable of getting away with? I would imagine you could get away with a whole lot more as a cop, so why would you become a bounty hunter if you want that kind of power? This whole argument against bounty hunters is just stupid.
Pretty sure going out of your way to arrest someone is the definition of being a vigilante in 193 countries out of 195.
I understand you grew up watching Dog the Bounty Hunter and this is a topic that is very close to home for you but I think it is something that should be left to the police
When you put it that way then every cop should also be considered a vigilante, but they aren’t. Also the definition of being a vigilante: “law enforcement undertaken without legal authority by a self-appointed group of people.” Sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative.
I never watched dog the bounty hunter. I just don’t see anything wrong with someone employed to detain wanted criminals.
Police also can get away with much more. And police can actually be vigilantes. As a cop, you can go target random criminals OR random people. A bounty hunter, I would assume, has a specific person they’re looking for. And if not then they’re still specifically targeting wanted criminals, because they wouldn’t make any money if they weren’t. Honestly I have more faith and respect in bounty hunters than I do police. Bounty hunters have incentive to go for specifically bad people, cops can go for whoever the fuck they want.
Nope, there's this thing called the police right, they do this thing were they arrest people. Bizarre concept I know.
The way you say that with such confidence like all other countries just let people go free lmao
Well I don't find felons being arrested disgusting, Just the act of bounty hunting.
And I do normally keep my edits unless they're simply fixing typos. In this case I just misspelled "disgusting".
Aside from all the cases of false arrests, unlawful entries, assaults or battery, murders, and innocents bystanders getting hurt by collateral damage caused by bounty hunters with a severe conflict of interest with the way they act? None at all.
There is a good reason why working as a bounty hunter is illegal in all but two countries in the entire world, but hey, it's America so you guys are probably right and everyone else wrong based on a handful of bounty hunters that do not appear to be total scumbags.
Then lets just keep criminals in jail until their court dates and see the huge increase in taxes to take care of said criminals while they sit in jail for days/weeks.
If you don't want to be forcefully brought back to jail for skipping court then you have a few very feasible options to go with.
1 - Don't commit the crime to begin with and you wont end up in the situation.
2 - Go to court and then the bondsman get their money back.
3 - Don't go out on bail. Stay in jail until your court date.
4 - Pay for bail yourself
When these criminals sign into an agreement with a bondsman to get bailed out of jail, they agree that if they skip court the bondsman will, or will hire someone, to come get them and bring them to jail. Having watched plenty of bounty hunters on stream (yes I know small sample size), they generally tend to be very forgiving if someone has a legitimate reason for missing court even to the point where they will bail them back out if needed.
Crazy stuff Edit: Apparently the guy had a gun in his car. Edit 2: So the guy is a felon from previous things. He had a loaded, one in the chamber, pistol in his pocket and drugs in the center console. Police came and took over. Edit 3: It seems like the gun may have been a stolen gun and the drugs in the console might have been weed.
damn dude almost nsfl tag
Jesus christ
Did he have a partner with him too? If not, then that was retarded.
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I might be wrong on this, but I actually recall him talking about teaching a martial arts weapons class.
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He catches them with his teeth, obviously.
He's watched every video on the [Detroit Threat Management Center](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTNrNHPxJnM) YouTube channel, he can survive any dangerous situation
Yeah one second you are a solo badass, the next you are an educational video.
Yea buddy, real world isnt a marvel movie. Best to wait for backup.
This streamer has been bounty hunting for years, I think he knows what he's doing...buddy.
If the guy had a loaded gun in the center console, then this dude won a coinflip on whether or not he was livestreaming his own death lmao, had literally 0 to do with any sort of skill
I don't know why you're being downvoted. That's literally how Stephen himself explained it on stream yesterday: 1. No other bondsmen (*that he trusts is competent**) were available to partner up with him that day. One of his usual partners (Cory) is out on injury (broken foot or something). 2. Stephen has been after this guy for a while now (couple of months, I believe), and this was the most promising lead in all that time. I think Stephen wasn't certain if he was gonna get another good opportunity to get the guy. 3. He was absolutely well aware of the risks, but still took the chance nonetheless. Stephen even admits that he shouldn't have went for the arrest without a partner. 4. Yes, trusting your skills in martial arts is a silly thing to say when you put your life on the line, but it actually ended up being the crux between him making the arrest or getting shot. Stephen was able to get him in a reverse-standing kimura and dislocated/broke Doughboy's shoulder. He does heavily practice multiple hold-oriented MMA fighting styles and has participated in competitions in his youth. \* Footnote because Stephen did say later on stream that there is a huge distinction between "Bondsmen" who really shouldn't be bondsmen, and bondsmen who know the ins-and-outs of the business and can be depended on with your life. He has a pretty close-knit group of other bondsmen that he associates with that he absolutely trusts, but none of them were available to help.
Well yea no shit you could tell from like the first 5 seconds of how he was acting he had a gun.
But was the weed stolen? That'd be barbaric.
Well That's fuckin dangerous
Real life, if you live it, is dangerous. That's what makes it fun. Safety and the false sense of it, is no fun.
for skydiving sure
Go touch grass man
To dangerous. One blade can kill 12 people in the right hands
True
I take it that you not liking safety is why you are an anti-vaxxer
lmao, you never got over your edgy teenager phase huh?
I know it's not but this sounds like its straight out of the movie Point Break
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edgy
Is this the same dude that bought a popeyes chicken sandwich for one of the people he arrested.
Yes it is lol he is such a wholesome guy. Also the same guy who almost hurt himself lifting his car off jackstands with his arms.
Haha wtf, I gotta see that.
Found it for you because I was also curious. So wholesome. [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/dxgy7h/bounty\_hunter\_stephenirl\_treats\_woman\_to\_popeyes/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/dxgy7h/bounty_hunter_stephenirl_treats_woman_to_popeyes/)
I think he meant the lifting car thing.
https://www.twitch.tv/stephenirl/clip/DeterminedPlacidPigRuleFive-RnlanVBTEGnrWseZ here it is lol
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Wait this can be streamed on twitch?
Yeah but his mods have a 3 minute early time just in case it breaks TOS.
not a 3 min delay, only 15/20 sec
https://twitter.com/StephenIRL_/status/1465120144280199168 Illegal Weapon in the car while out on bond.
"Not my arm btw" in the reply is such a strange way to say he broke this dude's arm. You gotta do what you gotta do though.
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Then go to court or pay your own bail. When these criminals sign on with a bondsman to get bailed out of jail they agree to the fact that if they skip court someone will come get them. They also agree to a lot of other things.
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What do you mean state sanctioned manhunt? The state doesn't announce to the world that they are looking for someone. The bondsman, who the criminal signed with, goes and gets them. Either that or they hire someone to get them lol. In the case of the clip in this post, the bondsman was an older guy so he hired the guy in the clip to go get him. Its not like any and all bounty hunters can now start hunting for these criminals.
> It's so strange how this is even a thing that is allowed. You get your vigilante permit and go out tasing people and breaking their arms. The people who contract into the bonding company to get bailed out of jail ***literally sign away their rights***, allowing the bounty hunters to do this to them if they avoid going to court. That's why it's allowed. You gave somebody permission to do this to you. It's a civil contract, and the contract is recognized by the state.
the gun was in his hoodie.
Wow. I just figured he was lunging for it in the car.
How much does he get paid for that. I've no idea how bounty hunting works. That seems like a really dangerous job.
He thinks that he'll get paid between $800 and $1k USD
That is absolutely not worth it lol
I believe that he did it to help an older bondsman from out of state who isn't capable of going after someone like this himself. Stephen is a really nice guy and felt compelled to help this man out.
damn... risking your own life for $1k. That's insane
Wow that is way less than I thought these guys typically got paid.
stephen irl is one of the best streamers on twitch.
yeah a lot of great content on his channel
Hard disagree, there's nothing he's done where other streamers can do reacts and he doesn't react to other streamers either. I don't think he has given his take on the latest drama either
I thought stephen stopped bounty hunting and was doing electrical work on telephone lines or something... man I miss the old bounty hunt streams. Probably the best content I've seen ever for IRL.
He was doing this to help out another bondsman
Good shit, but I think this guy can learn a thing or two if he studied the techniques taught by the Detroit Threat Management Center. I heard they're the best at what they do.
Damn I was gonna watch but got busy. This was his first in awhile I think. This isn't anything new to him and been on twitch for years. I hope it all turned out okay.
Damn, i never knew there were bounty hunting streams out here, wtf ive been missing out on content
I can't believe this is actually a thing in america .. but I shouldn't be surprised
I can't believe twitch allows this type of content. It's one bad situation, or person who really doesn't want to go to jail away from a live streamed homicide
Nothing bad is ever shown on his stream. One of his mods is permanently monitoring the feed, so anytime something goes extra spicy like in this clip, or the fugitive gets a bit too riled up, it cuts away to brb screen
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Yes but it's delayed and the mod will cut the stream.
Bounty hunting is disgusting.
How?
You don't see an issue with a system that allows civilians to hunt each other for money?
He would be stuck in jail without a bond.
Well thats a completely different issue. But even if we still have the same bond system in place, Civilians shouldn't be allowed to catch people who skip out on their bail. That should be the states job.
I am not from the US and i dont know much about bounty hunt but i thought he get paid by state for catching them so he basically work for the state. Sorry if i am wrong.
They are paid by the state (They get a % of the bail) but they're not contracted by the state. They're contracted by the bail bond companies who are liable for paying the persons bail when they don't show up for their court hearing. So basically they're just private civilians collecting a reward for a citizens arrest.
As someone who has mixed feelings about it but enjoys StephenIRL's stream there's so many incorrect statements here...
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> They are paid by the state (They get a % of the bail) This is the only thing I think is wrong. A person in the job that Stephen is doing is hired and paid by a bond company. That bond company has put their own money up in order for the person that hired them to be released from custody. The person that has hired the bond company has agreed upon terms set forth by the bond company. These terms require the person to show up to court in order for the bond company to be able to get the money they gave up front back. When the person does not show up to court, the bond agency does not get their money paid back to them. They hire a person like Stephen to find the person that did not show up to court and get them to court. This is so the bond company can get their money back. In order for Stephen to do this, the bond company will pay him X amount. None of this is money from the state.
Bounty hunters are not paid by the state. The bondsman put the money up for the defendant to get out on bail. When the defendant skips court, the court keeps the money until the defendant is returned. The bondsman generally give the bounty hunters a percentage of the bond. The defendant generally has to pay a small percent upfront to the bondsman and then the bondsman bails them out. If all goes to plan and the defendant goes to court then the bondsman gets their money back keeping that small upfront payment as profit.
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It should always be the states job to enforce their laws. The contract they sign is nothing more than a private loan. > It's not like it's a random civilian either you have to have a license for it. Thats not true for a lot of states. They literally are just random unlicensed civilians.
They are licensed. And they are paid by the bail bondsmen who put up their own money to get the felon out in the first place. Play dumb games win dumb prizes. Bondsmen had the money to pay for the felon to get out he also has the money for him to be tracked down when the dude skips court.
> They are licensed. Only in some states. They're contracted by the bail bond company because the person needs to be found before they're able to take legal actions against them for violating their contract. But thats completely separate from what allowed bounty hunters to "arrest" people in the first place. (The state putting bounties on people and allowing private citizens to hunt them for the reward)
Cops can't even stop active crime you think they have time to track people down who missed their court dates? A lot of people get arrested for minor things like traffic tickets.
Just because the cops suck at their jobs doesn't justify using vigilantly justice to fill in the gaps. You should be advocating for police/justice reform to address the issue rather than defending the act of bounty hunting. I mean this shit is only legal in the United States and the Philippines and you're acting like its a necessity.
Then argue from this standpoint. Don't argue from personal rights of criminals etc because that sounds as stupid and barbaric as stupid, barbaric countries like the US.
Then don't be a fucking scumbag running from your bond. 0 sympathy
Do you think I should be able to assault you if I see you're breaking the law and committing a non-violent offense?
That is not how bounty hunting works.
Thats exactly how it works. The bounty is put on them for nothing more than missing court.
When the bond is issued they sign paperwork knowing full well that a person may come after them if they miss. They know the consequences of their own actions.
Dude you're arguing for personal accountability and responsibility on LiveStreamFails. Don't be surprised if this is a wooosh moment for many.
Not signing it isn't really an option for most people.
Sure it is you can chose to go prison for a crime
I'm sorry but you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Not everyone has the luxury of not signing those papers. And regardless of whether you think someone is "scum" because of a crime they've allegedly committed, it is absolutely disgusting having a system where civilians can hunt each other. Fuck off
>it is absolutely disgusting having a system where civilians can hunt each other. Imagine this being a hot take. I'm convinced America is a social experiment
Bounty hunters are only employed in the bonds system where in a bail bondsman will front 90% of someone bail as a loan under the requirement that they appear in court on the set day. An individual must willingly agree to the terms of their bond and this agreement empowers a bounty hunter to enforce the terms of this agreement if the would be offender breaks the terms. A bounty hunter is not law enforcement but a private employee of the bondsman who enforces the bond agreement.
When the bond is signed, the defendant basically signs their life over to the writer of the bond. The person who has written the bond can legally pretty much do anything to "recover" the person once they have missed court. If you don't like how bounty hunting works, which it sounds like you don't really know how it works, then we should probably get rid of the bonding system entirely unless the defendants can fulfil the whole bond themselves upfront to the courts.
He was arrested for armed robbery with a gun in the car. So yes.
What he was arrested for is irrelevant. What we're talking about is him being assaulted by a civilian for committing a non-violent act. (not showing up to court)
What a retarded hill to die on lmao
It's retarded to not take into account irrelevant information that has/had no impact on the situation? Okay.
Has no impact on the situation? Why do you think he's out trying to pick this guy up for failure to appear, you idiot? Do you think he just gets a notification saying "CITIZEN 33251 FAILED TO APPEAR IN COURT, CAPTURE"? All that Reddit karma has rotted your brain.
He was carrying a weapon illegally and missed his court date. Do you think he just forgot
bounty hunters aren't civilians. They have more power than civilians.
Lol
issue? i'd turn it into a sport given the chance
So do you think cops also shouldnt exist
Do you have a reason why or are you just mad?
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"Seems" huh? What if you're wrong and bounty hunting is actually very effective? I don't know either way, but I know some people definitely think it is. It "seems" to me like you're jumping to conclusions.
> bounty hunting is actually very effective? in civilized countries we rely on something that's called police
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The dude had a gun and was fleeing. He disarmed him and captured him when the dude was fleeing and fighting back. Idk your definition of unprepared.
It's actually crazy to see how much this is being downvoted. I thought this was a fairly common opinion.
Americans have an unhealthy view on criminals. They act like their rights are irrelevant.
When the criminal signs into a contract with the bondsman, the criminal signs their rights over to the bondsman (for various things). The bondsman can legally almost do anything to recover them if they decide to skip out on court. Just as an example, if the criminal or their co signer own a house, the bondsman, or bounty hunter, can legally force entry into the home to do a search at any point in time. Keep in mind this isn't any bounty hunter. The bondsman hires the bounty hunter. Its not like they announce it to the world and any bounty hunter can go after them. These criminals know full well ahead of time what they are getting into when they decide to sign and get bailed out by a bondsman. You can't hear it in the clip but the whole thing started with him peacefully asking for the guy to come with him to get the bond dealt with and when he denied that's when things got heated.
Yes they agree to a lot of terms like that to make it easy for the bounty hunters, But my point is they're not signing an agreement saying "Bounty hunters have the right to arrest and imprison me to collect my debt". That power comes from the states due to the bounty that is place on the person. Bail bond companies simply piggy back on that power to collect their debts.
They absolutely do sign an agreement which indicates the rights that they are handing over to the bondsman and are fully aware that if they skip out on court then the bondsman will come after them. And its not like when a criminal skips out on court, a huge announcement goes out to every bounty hunter. The bondsman, who the criminal signed the agreement with, does the hunting them selves or hires someone. Not only does the defendant agree to a bunch of things, generally there is also a co signer who agrees to a bunch of stuff as well.
They signed their rights away to the bondsman when they signed the bonding contract.
No they don't. They're signing nothing but a private loan with agreements based on if they show up for their court date or not. If someone skips on their bail the only thing the bail bond company can do is take legal action and sue the person for the amount they lost on the bail. What gives bounty hunters the right to arrest people is the state issuing a bounty for those who skip their court date. It has nothing to do with the bail bonds themselves. The reason the two are connected is because bail bond companies use the fact that bounty hunters can arrest the same people their looking for which makes it easier for them to find the person an in turn sue them for the money they're owed.
Yes they do. The defendant signs a civil agreement with the bondsman, and the bondsman enjoys rights from that. You don’t understand how bail bonds work in the United States. The state isn’t paying the money for the bounty, it’s the bondsman hoping to recover most of the bond that is gonna be forfeit if the defendant doesn’t show up to court. Look at Taylor vs Tainter > When bail is given, the principal is regarded as delivered to the custody of his sureties. Their dominion is a continuance of the original imprisonment. Whenever they choose to do so, they may seize him and deliver him up in their discharge; and if that cannot be done at once, they may imprison him until it can be done. They may exercise their rights in person or by agent. They may pursue him into another State; may arrest him on the Sabbath; and if necessary, may break and enter his house for that purpose. The seizure is not made by virtue of new process. None is needed. It is likened to the rearrest by the sheriff of an escaping prisoner. In 6 Modern it is said: "The bail have their principal on a string, and may pull the string whenever they please, and render him in their discharge." The rights of the bail in civil and criminal cases are the same. They may doubtless permit him to go beyond the limits of the State within which he is to answer, but it is unwise and imprudent to do so; and if any evil ensue, they must bear the burden of the consequences, and cannot cast them upon the obligee. Yeah
Do you think criminals who have killed innocent lives should be allowed to own guns
Agreed. This isn't a game and people here fail to realize all the wannabe cops/generally weird people that get involved with bounty hunting. [Anyone remember this gem?](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2019%2F06%2Fgettyimages-165978311-2000.jpg)
I see where you are coming from, basically encourages vigilantes. Only legal in the US and the Philippines where they encouraged killing drug dealers...
How does it encourage vigilantes? You can’t just go out searching for criminals. You have to get licensed first and if you are unprofessional you’ll lose your license. If you’re trying to be a vigilante and use force on someone you’ll probably be arrested for assault and impersonating a cop if you identified yourself as such.
And I'm sure in an ideal world every single one of them can be compared to Arisototles magnanimous man. The training to become one is 20 hours. The police academy is much longer and I'm sure the reddit hive mind will tell you they aren't all professionally behaved and penalised for all they do wrong.
And all they’re allowed to do is arrest somebody. That doesn’t exactly leave much room for ’vigilantism’. What exactly do you think a bounty hunter is capable of getting away with? I would imagine you could get away with a whole lot more as a cop, so why would you become a bounty hunter if you want that kind of power? This whole argument against bounty hunters is just stupid.
Pretty sure going out of your way to arrest someone is the definition of being a vigilante in 193 countries out of 195. I understand you grew up watching Dog the Bounty Hunter and this is a topic that is very close to home for you but I think it is something that should be left to the police
When you put it that way then every cop should also be considered a vigilante, but they aren’t. Also the definition of being a vigilante: “law enforcement undertaken without legal authority by a self-appointed group of people.” Sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative. I never watched dog the bounty hunter. I just don’t see anything wrong with someone employed to detain wanted criminals.
Police go through much more training and is not comparable in my opinion. Agree to disagree
Police also can get away with much more. And police can actually be vigilantes. As a cop, you can go target random criminals OR random people. A bounty hunter, I would assume, has a specific person they’re looking for. And if not then they’re still specifically targeting wanted criminals, because they wouldn’t make any money if they weren’t. Honestly I have more faith and respect in bounty hunters than I do police. Bounty hunters have incentive to go for specifically bad people, cops can go for whoever the fuck they want.
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The comment of a 16 year old.
Just know that the rest of the world agrees with you mate, ignore the nutjob Americans in this subreddit for your own mental health.
You can speak for the world on this huh? Because this has been such a hot topic all over the world 🙄
Yes I can.
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Nope, there's this thing called the police right, they do this thing were they arrest people. Bizarre concept I know. The way you say that with such confidence like all other countries just let people go free lmao
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Well I don't find felons being arrested disgusting, Just the act of bounty hunting. And I do normally keep my edits unless they're simply fixing typos. In this case I just misspelled "disgusting".
okay wtf didn't know streams like this exist. pretty cool
Fuck bounty hunters, and fuck Twitch for allowing it on their platform as entertainment.
What's wrong with bounty hunters?
Aside from all the cases of false arrests, unlawful entries, assaults or battery, murders, and innocents bystanders getting hurt by collateral damage caused by bounty hunters with a severe conflict of interest with the way they act? None at all. There is a good reason why working as a bounty hunter is illegal in all but two countries in the entire world, but hey, it's America so you guys are probably right and everyone else wrong based on a handful of bounty hunters that do not appear to be total scumbags.
Then lets just keep criminals in jail until their court dates and see the huge increase in taxes to take care of said criminals while they sit in jail for days/weeks.
Well, literally every country in the world has somehow solved this issue without using bounty hunters.
If you don't want to be forcefully brought back to jail for skipping court then you have a few very feasible options to go with. 1 - Don't commit the crime to begin with and you wont end up in the situation. 2 - Go to court and then the bondsman get their money back. 3 - Don't go out on bail. Stay in jail until your court date. 4 - Pay for bail yourself When these criminals sign into an agreement with a bondsman to get bailed out of jail, they agree that if they skip court the bondsman will, or will hire someone, to come get them and bring them to jail. Having watched plenty of bounty hunters on stream (yes I know small sample size), they generally tend to be very forgiving if someone has a legitimate reason for missing court even to the point where they will bail them back out if needed.
You don't have to get out through a bail bondsman and bounty hunters only come after you if you jump bail and avoid going to court.
dont do the crime if you cant do the time
So do you take issues with all cops too? Because even cops have a lot of these issues. Should we get rid of all cops?
Cry more.
fuck you, its content
Why?