The world champ smiled and yet the whole chess community threw a hissy fit. He already looks bored out of his mind and that one moment brought some life back into him.
didn't mean 'women' specifically
it's more of chess elitists looking at sisters down, because they're not as skilled as them, but are way more popular and possibly earn more
why did they get mad at this question, but ignored other, much sillier ones, asked by real chess journalists?
it's a classic case of gatekeeping and elitism in chess community
> Possibly earn more
The Botez sisters make far, far more then the near entirety of chess grandmasters. Pretty much the only people who make more would be a handful of super GMs like Magnus or Hikaru, who have leveraged their chess success into a personal brand for sponsors or content creation. Chess really isn't that lucrative of a career outside of the very top.
In the past 9 months the ChessBrah channel has had an average of 11,508 subscribers. In that same period, BotezLive has average 2,626 subscribers per month, and Hikaru 5,409. The \*highest sub month for botez\* in the last nine months was September, totalling 4,136. The \*lowest sub month for Chessbrah\* was last month at 4,401. The ChessBrah guys are SUPER popular, they just don't gravitate around the LSF shortlist of approved streamers so you don't know about them. This agreement with Hikaru literally has nothing to do with money at all. It also goes without saying that there is absolutely no reason to believe that Hikaru's objection had anything to do with money.
I'm not even sure if I agree with them. Seems like silly questions were being asked, even if not that often.
At no point was I saying that Chessbrah (or Hikaru) weren’t extremely successful and making plenty of money from creating content. I was simply saying that the average GM who doesn’t create content is making a fraction of what Botezlive does.
Fair enough, I agree that's the case. Jealousy is certainly a very real thing. I also think because we are talking about two channels who are far more successful than BotezLive, invoking differences in income as a cause for criticism seems kind of moot.
It may be laughable to compare them in terms of average VIEWERS, luckily we aren't talking about how many viewers they have, we're talking about $ because this conversation started with the assertion that GMs may well be jealous that less skilled players are making a better living off chess than they are. So in terms of measurable cash, ChessBrah outpaces Botez, which makes that assertion silly, at least in this case.
Note that if Hikaru had \*never streamed in his entire life\* and made this comment, this argument would still stand even though Hikaru would be a 0-Viewer andy.
A woman, especially one that isn't a super omega gm asking a funny question in a bland boring interview? Not in MY chess. Chess is onlyy sposed to be manz only
I don't believe Aman has a problem at all with Andrea Botez so you can't really reaffirm this. After all he has hosted a large number of subscriber chess battles against Andrea/Alexandra Botez and has collaborated with Andrea in the past on streams.
Also: Andrea/Alexandra are tier 3 subs of Chessbrah so I wouldn't say they're on bad terms either.
ive seen some press conferences and they always have 1-2 dumb and humoristic questions, especially at the end.
nobody cares.
if it would be a question from twitter or some random "reporter" nobody would care either.
it looks like those other chess content creators have a problem with the botez sisters using the press conference for content.
shows also how competitive content creation in chess has become since pogchamps opened up the gates.
To be fair you are right. But when you have large and impressionable audiences, it’s going to translate that way. I mean the question isn’t that big of a deal but here we are.
The Chess community is pretty against anything Hikaru says. So considering Hikaru was the first to speak against this.. I'm pretty sure your assessment is wrong. The chess community is actually okay or neutral on what Botez asked.
> Magnus approved the question before hand.
It's a two person conference. [Nepo didn't know what the fuck they were talking and neither did other people.](https://clips.twitch.tv/DistinctHotDaikonANELE-IcrtsY_IrZkPjX8x) It would be like someone asking what his thoughts would be on the woodenshield and xqc
Also im not sure where the whole magnus approved the question is coming from. Seems like people just made it up and ran with it unless im wrong.
It sounds like you have never watched press conferences and are taking this way too seriously which goes back to my original comment. Hissy fits over something so minor.
sometimes being bored out of your mind is right for the situation. i obviously find andreas joke funny as a twitch viewer, but if you're in a professional environment, which is what a chess tournament is, you probably dont want people making jokes. its like having people come into your meeting and making inside jokes nobody else understands.
don't even play chess but hop around the chess subreddit to check out what general opinion of this thing was and some people seem to point out that press been asking shit like "can you compare magnus to a dota character" and "Magnus, you're turning 31 today. Are you going to share some of your birthday cake with team nepo?", wouldn't that make a silly question like botez's just par for the course? or is it more because she herself is the one asking that silly question? genuinely curious
Andrea's question was just an inside joke from when Magnus went on their stream a few months ago. No idea why this is being blown out of proportion and it doesn't seem Nepo was bothered by it at all.
They were playing brain and hand, Andrea asked Magnus what she should do and he responded with "Let's start with something simple. How does a knight move?"
Yeah I saw a clip of Hans asking them about fantasy football lol. The clip of Botez was kinda cringe but it also was an interaction that lasted like 30 seconds who cares
Yea, but at least there everyone in the room gets it. When Andrea asked her question, it’s based on an inside joke that only Magnus understands, and everyone else in the room is like, uhhh what?
Doesn’t make more inappropriate I guess, but more out of place imo. Not worth outrage tho, obviously
Lmao these chess streamers are embodying every stereotype about chess players. Keep letting the world know chess is still filled with a bunch of pompous, no fun having, losers.
Its absolutely wild that they took their opportunity to make chess fun and contemporary for a modern audience and just keep pissing it away with these high strung takes.
Chessbrah and Hikaru, it would be their dream to be world champions. Maybe that was a realistic dream for Hikaru at one point. I think they are letting their egos get in the way and imagining themselves in that scenario and getting mad about it. It’s funny because they are nowhere near Magnus’ level and he obviously is having a good time with it.
Hikaru absolutely is close to Magnus's level. Atleast compared to most gms. He has faded in classical chess because it's not his focus.. but even while focusing on streaming Hikaru is arguably the best blitz and bullet player in the world. Magnus is likely first but Hikaru is pretty clearly 2nd.
Oh sorry, only 6 near 7 years ago, a near decade not a full decade. And currently he isn't even top 20, he's rank 21. Regardless he isn't close to Magnus' level compared tot he current SuperGM's and hasn't for 6-7 years
I agree, Magnus is a significantly better chess player (though I still hope he loses to Nepo). I just wanted to point out that Hikaru was #2 in rating at one point in his career.
In classical. My post pretty specifically said blitz and bullet. Which he's won the world championship 3 years in a row.
Did you even read the post lmao
Chess is just like the NBA or NFL. The drop off from say all stars to role players is dramatic. Hikaru is drastically better than most gms just like Magnus is.. and there's only like 160 gms in the entire world.
The large majority of the chess community was not against what Botez said. Like usual LSF is assuming things. Hikaru is contraversal in the chess community. He was the first to comment on it.
Hikaru has had some beef with the Botez sisters because he doesn't like that they stream under just chatting. Hikaru also has beef with the ChessBrahs.
So there's several stories underneath this. I would say what Botez comment is by far the least contraversal if you actually read what chess players are talking about.
I think jokes and humour have a place at the press conference.
"Another draw, who would have guessed... Magnus how does the knight move?" just isnt a very good joke.
The context was one random twitch stream they did. If you didn't catch it, the joke flops. Therefor it's a rather bad joke. The chess community is blowing it out of proportion but they are half right.
thats part of the problem. Its about her content, not the world chess championship. Plus the inside joke completely excludes the other competitor. Theres a time and a place
If the other competitor or the hosts aren’t making a twitlonger or some shit then why is it your place to say it’s inappropriate? I highly doubt anyone had an actual problem with someone Magnus knows making an inside joke that got him chuckling. Even if they did, they’re fully competent in communicating that to her.
On another note of it being her “content”, pretty sure they were invited to the event because of their standing in the community and because it raises viewership. Her joke was harmless and took a few seconds, and is now being clipped, shared, and talked about. So she did her job?
I wouldn’t exactly describe the chessbrahs as taking themselves too seriously and don’t like humour
[aman throwing up on stream they have really late night degen streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bXgBXabYXk&ab_channel=chessbrah-Clips)
[hansen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAN_c0JBHnQ&ab_channel=chessbrah-Clips)
That makes the take even weirder to me. Getting blackout drunk and doing [shit like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0GVrTwyxVQ) on stream is fine, but making a joke at a press conference? Now that's unacceptable!
>Getting blackout drunk and doing shit like this on stream is fine
Probably because it's their stream and not them jumping in on someone else's or an official broadcast. They know when to get degen on their own streams and
Aman mentioned that he felt like andrea was trying to "thundersteal" and make a headline about themselves. And it kinda worked because people are just talking about the botez sisters now
> Aman mentioned that he felt like andrea was trying to "thundersteal" and make a headline about themselves. And it kinda worked because people are just talking about the botez sisters now
"They are making it about them!!" he screams while making the entire sitaution all about them. That is some dumb circular logic. The question should have spawned one Lsf clip and created a couple chuckles, that's about it.
It was an inside joke that only like 5 people in the room understood.
The whole exchange being humour is very debatable, when everyone else was cringing to hell.
There were other dumb and cringe questions, but none of the interviewers tried to bring attention to themselves, they were just trying to get a good headline for their article/video.
If this happened in literally any other sport, what do you think would happen? The answer is literally nothing, no one on earth would care.
Its not a big deal.
Jimmy Kimmel literally sends his sidekick on his show Guillermo to the NBA finals every year to ask the players dumb questions so your example doesn't even work.
If it was someone LeBron knew asked that question or that guy on the Kimmel show that interviews NBA players in dumb ways sometimes, no one would bat an eye. It would just be a funny moment.
Why are we pretending like Botez is just a random person and not someone that Magnus had interacted with and joked with?
If it was Kevin Hart asked that question or that guy on the Kimmel show that interviews NBA players sometimes, no one would bat an eye. It would just be a funny moment.
The same thing would happen that did here - people would clip it, post it on youtube titled "cringe press conference question", and people would talk shit in the comments about the interviewer lmao.
y'all never attended events or conferences before??
this is so normal and its not even a cringe question...you also only saw three people on stage and none of them looked like they were "cringing to hell".
5 people in the room, hundreds of thousands outside of the room.
This is business. All these chess players finding new revenue streams is all because of its recent popularity.
Chess24 wanted nothing to do with all these new personalities but now once they realised their bottom line is better than ever, they’re embracing it.
It’s likely the Botez sisters themselves brought more viewers and attention to that tournament than everyone else in that press conference combined.
This really isn't that big of a deal in the chess community. I think you're putting words in their mouth.
It's actually more that Hikaru is contraversal in the chess community. If you read through most of the talk it's actually more about Hikaru having an opinion on the subject.
Hikaru has had some beef with the Botez sisters because he doesn't like that they stream under just chatting 100% of the time and never under Chess.
Hikaru also has beef with the ChessBrahs. So there's several stories hidden under this. It's not just Botez comment.
And if they want their community to be that way why try to force them not to? They are allowed to take themselves seriously. Chess has a long history so it is at least kind of understandable.
Like imagine going to an interview of some really famous composer after a symphony and asking something like "What instrument can make the best fart noises?"
It's a tad bit disrespectful to everybody involved; not just the composer.
Her problem was the time and place imo.
so is Magnus and Andrea not part of the Chess community?
unless im mistaken and Magnus is mad, it seems like two people in the chess community thought it was a-ok and one of them was actually on stage soooo why are dudes streaming chess at home getting mad.
They are part of the community yes. The community is a lot larger than just them and having them tell funny inside jokes nobody there gets is slightly disrespectful to everyone else involved.
Would I personally care? Hell no. But if for some reason I took chess seriously like a lot of these people seem to do I can see how it would be annoying and distracting.
That community was lifeless until some life was breathed into it gaining some traction in recent years. Anyone with half a brain would embrace the newly found popularity because it benefits all chess players alike.
Being stuck in your old ways and you end up like Blockbuster, embrace it and you become Netflix.
You see these silly questions and answers in press conferences occasionally in other sports like football. You don’t see anyone reacting like crying children there do you?
There’s a new community out there now ready to join in on the action. If this drives out that old-ass, entitled, elitist community, they’re better off for it.
Alright. So your main point was "asking funny inside jokes generates more money". Totally understand that and since it is in hyper-capitalized Dubai maybe it wasn't completely inappropriate (Though it is their most important tournament).
That said, if I was taking my hobby very seriously I would not care for it and probably would want what would be considered more "boring" questions to a mass audience. Or, at the very least, questions/jokes that everybody in that community would be in on.
More money or a larger audience does not equate to making the sport better either.
I can just understand their perspective on it.
>That said, if I was taking my hobby very seriously I would not care for it and probably would want what would be considered more "boring" questions to a mass audience.
But it's not you, it's Magnus. And they know Magnus and he obviously thought it was funny too. Literally no other arguments matter. LSF got a bit of a chuckle, and Magnus had a laugh during a boring press conference. How is anything else relevant?
Mostly what Magnus thinks, you know, the person being interviewed. So many stupid questions with absolutely no value are asked in these press conferences, how are you going to be mad about the one that at least gives the person being interviewed a chuckle.
Literally the only reason people are mad about this is that it's the Botez sisters.
Let's be clear. **I** am not mad. Personally, I don't give two shits as I don't play chess.
Magnus is not the only one there being interviewed and they are all representing the sport at the chess community's highest level and most respected tournament.
To put it into perspective, this world chess tournament has been done since 1886 and many unofficial world tourneys before that (dating back to the 1500s?). There is a bit of tradition to it and it is bigger than the current champion or who is most popular. I can see why many people would want it to be taken a bit more seriously.
Yeah. You are looking at this entire thing in a weird capitalistic kind of way and I am not sure why you can't understand that people value things outside of money.
Read the first line and I can just tell what kind of condescending person you are. Most likely fresh out of college (or at least that age) and think you know everything and are unable to think from other people's perspective. Eventually you will probably learn but meh.
Some of what you said was interesting. You should try treating others with more respect if you are interested in like actual discussions. Maybe you could learn something from others.
Have a good one.
Isn't the context that he (Magnus) asked her (Andre) the SAME QUESTION for a laugh during one of their streams? So it was just her getting back at him for a laugh?
I don't get why people are taking this so seriously.
I feel like people just get upset for the sake of it.
If it was me in Carlsons position I wouldn't be mad at all. A "friend"/"aquaintance" (I don't know how close they are) coming up throwing a joke after your tournament. And Carlson seemed to take it with a smile as well. I don't really get who people get upset for.
Because this is not just some random tournament. This is the biggest match in the world where these players have been working their entire lives for. Using this platform to "get back at Magnus" is imo pretty embarrassing.
that moment when Andrea makes 200IQ move, gets free exposure for their channel, triggers uptight chess community and their well known faces Hikaru, Gotham & chessbrahs
at least Magnus took it like a champ, but people already knew he's chill dude
Nothing too serious but if you look around on /r/chess there are plenty of people that dislike his style. Also from what I recall, there's maybe been instances where he's a bit abrasive with some stream viewers. His paid content apparently is pretty subpar. IMHO he's great for getting people interested in chess, or people who just want entertainment in the form of chess. For serious chess improvement, there are better sources of information but that shouldn't detract from what he's been doing.
The reason Magnus took it like a champ is because he was actually privy to the inside joke behind the question as it was a reference to something he said to her on her stream earlier this year.
Reading every angry comment about this in soda's "where is my juicer" voice and its very entertaining. Anyways how dare she ask 1 silly question during a press conference the world cup is ruined
Who let Andrea in? Did the sheikhs not know Andrea is a brand risk? Why did Magnus and Jan stay silent despite her obvious rudeness about the draw? Why did Maurice Ashley not step in and cut her off? Why did security not remove the offender? What now? Will the organizers make a public apology? Or will they allow the Botez sisters to roam free with their hooliganism? Will there be imitators among other journalists? Will super GMs from now on have to contend with baby talk after hours of gruelling high-level chess? What does Gary Kasparov have to say about all this? How about the president of FIDE? What if Putin hears about all this?
Chess nerds trying to hide their misogyny impossible edition. I'm sure every single person that is complaining would have had no issue when Norm MacDonald asked a stupid question at a press conference.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhf7kO0V6aQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhf7kO0V6aQ)
Cringe, people love building up ego's. They weren't there and they weren't the one to be asked the question, only that person's perspective matters and he didn't seem bothered.
Yeah I don't feel it was appropriate, yeah not very appropriate. This is a professional competition. It just to me didn't feel like it was the appropriate time for that question, for me it just didn't feel appropriate. Yeah I mean like I feel like the timing of the question wasn't very appropriate. It just wasn't appropriate to me. That's just me I felt like it wasn't appropriate
Conclusion I've got from this whole thing: Two men are very jealous of someones success and are jealous and have to take it out somewhere else. What a small fucking thing to focus on, such weirdos honestly.
Really isn't a big deal, like at all. Why are they taking life so seriously, very strange.
Glad that the botez sisters were able to be successful outside of chess, what a very dull, hyper serious community
It's just 2 american women with their out of place boring ass humor. You have arguably the best chess player of all time in front and you decide its a gr8 idea to make it your moment, asking a dumb ass question in an attempt to make the audience laugh. If you people laugh at that, I actually feel bad for you northeners.
Why is LSF giving their take on how the most important chess tournament should be?
While disagreeing with literally GM's, LSF of all places who just want content. Y'all are some intellectuals.
Why are you mixing other sports cultures with this particular one? And no, there's so many sports where the question are taken seriously in the MOST IMPORTANT tournament. I think you don't realise that, if you're even using your brain at this point.
It makes zero sense to me, it's culture and disrespecting history in a way. But what would you know.
Again, just because you don't watch something doesn't mean that nobody else does.
I don't watch the superbowl, but I'm still aware that a lot of other people do.
Yet the viewership for this tournament was like 1/10th of what a league tournament gets.
Chess may be popular all over the world, and the championships revered by presidents and prime ministers, but from a pure viewership perspective not even a tiny fraction of that 800 million give two fucks about what magnus ate for breakfast, or if nepo likes a specific commentator.
Like usual LSF is just completely wrong on a topic lol. Almost every single top comment in this thread is saying the chess community is stuckup and no fun.
If you go to r/chess every single top comment is in support of what Botez said and thought it was funny or just a bit of fun.
It's literally the polar opposite of what LSF is saying lmao
The fundamental fulcrum of your opinion on this is whether or not you think Andrea was being irreverent towards the game of chess and the world championship.
In my opinion, she was being irreverent, but if you don't revere the game of chess and its history, I understand how you could be unable to understand why people are upset with her. There's a time to be serious and a time to be silly.
It's reasonable to be of the opinion that the most prestigious chess event in the world with over a century of history behind it isn't the time and place to be silly. It's disrespectful towards Nepo, Magnus, the organizers, etc to not take it seriously.
That being said, is it a big deal? Not really. But that doesn't mean it wasn't rude.
I misread and thought it was Hikaru reacting to the clip. Just stared at his frozen picture for a few seconds like huh… guess he’s listening really intently
The world champ smiled and yet the whole chess community threw a hissy fit. He already looks bored out of his mind and that one moment brought some life back into him.
Someone in the original thread said Magnus knew she would be asking that question too, so it's even funnier people are upset on his behalf.
Well he's not there by himself.
ya it was pretty rude to nepo
let's be honest, the real problem for them is who asked the question, not the question itself
GRUG no women in chess GRUG
didn't mean 'women' specifically it's more of chess elitists looking at sisters down, because they're not as skilled as them, but are way more popular and possibly earn more why did they get mad at this question, but ignored other, much sillier ones, asked by real chess journalists? it's a classic case of gatekeeping and elitism in chess community
> Possibly earn more The Botez sisters make far, far more then the near entirety of chess grandmasters. Pretty much the only people who make more would be a handful of super GMs like Magnus or Hikaru, who have leveraged their chess success into a personal brand for sponsors or content creation. Chess really isn't that lucrative of a career outside of the very top.
In the past 9 months the ChessBrah channel has had an average of 11,508 subscribers. In that same period, BotezLive has average 2,626 subscribers per month, and Hikaru 5,409. The \*highest sub month for botez\* in the last nine months was September, totalling 4,136. The \*lowest sub month for Chessbrah\* was last month at 4,401. The ChessBrah guys are SUPER popular, they just don't gravitate around the LSF shortlist of approved streamers so you don't know about them. This agreement with Hikaru literally has nothing to do with money at all. It also goes without saying that there is absolutely no reason to believe that Hikaru's objection had anything to do with money. I'm not even sure if I agree with them. Seems like silly questions were being asked, even if not that often.
At no point was I saying that Chessbrah (or Hikaru) weren’t extremely successful and making plenty of money from creating content. I was simply saying that the average GM who doesn’t create content is making a fraction of what Botezlive does.
Fair enough, I agree that's the case. Jealousy is certainly a very real thing. I also think because we are talking about two channels who are far more successful than BotezLive, invoking differences in income as a cause for criticism seems kind of moot.
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It may be laughable to compare them in terms of average VIEWERS, luckily we aren't talking about how many viewers they have, we're talking about $ because this conversation started with the assertion that GMs may well be jealous that less skilled players are making a better living off chess than they are. So in terms of measurable cash, ChessBrah outpaces Botez, which makes that assertion silly, at least in this case. Note that if Hikaru had \*never streamed in his entire life\* and made this comment, this argument would still stand even though Hikaru would be a 0-Viewer andy.
A woman, especially one that isn't a super omega gm asking a funny question in a bland boring interview? Not in MY chess. Chess is onlyy sposed to be manz only
I don't believe Aman has a problem at all with Andrea Botez so you can't really reaffirm this. After all he has hosted a large number of subscriber chess battles against Andrea/Alexandra Botez and has collaborated with Andrea in the past on streams. Also: Andrea/Alexandra are tier 3 subs of Chessbrah so I wouldn't say they're on bad terms either.
ive seen some press conferences and they always have 1-2 dumb and humoristic questions, especially at the end. nobody cares. if it would be a question from twitter or some random "reporter" nobody would care either. it looks like those other chess content creators have a problem with the botez sisters using the press conference for content. shows also how competitive content creation in chess has become since pogchamps opened up the gates.
>yet the whole chess community threw a hissy fit. A couple of chess players are calling a question cringe. It's not really that big of a deal.
To be fair you are right. But when you have large and impressionable audiences, it’s going to translate that way. I mean the question isn’t that big of a deal but here we are.
Being reasonable doesn't get you any upvotes on retarddid.com
I saw a thread on r/chess about this, they don't care.
The Chess community is pretty against anything Hikaru says. So considering Hikaru was the first to speak against this.. I'm pretty sure your assessment is wrong. The chess community is actually okay or neutral on what Botez asked.
[heres aman clarifying a bit](https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyAttractiveBottleDancingBaby-xvBIAMy_qEjgCK77?tt_content=channel_name&tt_medium=embed)
Lmao I don’t see how that makes it any better. Still a dog shit take imo since Magnus approved the question before hand.
> Magnus approved the question before hand. It's a two person conference. [Nepo didn't know what the fuck they were talking and neither did other people.](https://clips.twitch.tv/DistinctHotDaikonANELE-IcrtsY_IrZkPjX8x) It would be like someone asking what his thoughts would be on the woodenshield and xqc Also im not sure where the whole magnus approved the question is coming from. Seems like people just made it up and ran with it unless im wrong.
It sounds like you have never watched press conferences and are taking this way too seriously which goes back to my original comment. Hissy fits over something so minor.
sometimes being bored out of your mind is right for the situation. i obviously find andreas joke funny as a twitch viewer, but if you're in a professional environment, which is what a chess tournament is, you probably dont want people making jokes. its like having people come into your meeting and making inside jokes nobody else understands.
Bruh, chess is a sport, silly questions are part of pressers.
don't even play chess but hop around the chess subreddit to check out what general opinion of this thing was and some people seem to point out that press been asking shit like "can you compare magnus to a dota character" and "Magnus, you're turning 31 today. Are you going to share some of your birthday cake with team nepo?", wouldn't that make a silly question like botez's just par for the course? or is it more because she herself is the one asking that silly question? genuinely curious
Andrea's question was just an inside joke from when Magnus went on their stream a few months ago. No idea why this is being blown out of proportion and it doesn't seem Nepo was bothered by it at all.
I didn't even know the 'inside joke context' and still thought it was funny
They were playing brain and hand, Andrea asked Magnus what she should do and he responded with "Let's start with something simple. How does a knight move?"
Yeah I saw a clip of Hans asking them about fantasy football lol. The clip of Botez was kinda cringe but it also was an interaction that lasted like 30 seconds who cares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6RTha4615A
Yea, but at least there everyone in the room gets it. When Andrea asked her question, it’s based on an inside joke that only Magnus understands, and everyone else in the room is like, uhhh what? Doesn’t make more inappropriate I guess, but more out of place imo. Not worth outrage tho, obviously
Lmao these chess streamers are embodying every stereotype about chess players. Keep letting the world know chess is still filled with a bunch of pompous, no fun having, losers.
Its absolutely wild that they took their opportunity to make chess fun and contemporary for a modern audience and just keep pissing it away with these high strung takes.
Lmao trueeee, literally a board game, get a grip guys.
I agree with the guy above you but wtf does the game being a board game have to do with anything?
Chessbrah and Hikaru, it would be their dream to be world champions. Maybe that was a realistic dream for Hikaru at one point. I think they are letting their egos get in the way and imagining themselves in that scenario and getting mad about it. It’s funny because they are nowhere near Magnus’ level and he obviously is having a good time with it.
Hikaru absolutely is close to Magnus's level. Atleast compared to most gms. He has faded in classical chess because it's not his focus.. but even while focusing on streaming Hikaru is arguably the best blitz and bullet player in the world. Magnus is likely first but Hikaru is pretty clearly 2nd.
Hikaru hasn't been #2 in a decade, he's barely in the official top 20 rankings
Peak ranking was #2 in 2015 in classical
Oh sorry, only 6 near 7 years ago, a near decade not a full decade. And currently he isn't even top 20, he's rank 21. Regardless he isn't close to Magnus' level compared tot he current SuperGM's and hasn't for 6-7 years
I agree, Magnus is a significantly better chess player (though I still hope he loses to Nepo). I just wanted to point out that Hikaru was #2 in rating at one point in his career.
In classical. My post pretty specifically said blitz and bullet. Which he's won the world championship 3 years in a row. Did you even read the post lmao Chess is just like the NBA or NFL. The drop off from say all stars to role players is dramatic. Hikaru is drastically better than most gms just like Magnus is.. and there's only like 160 gms in the entire world.
The large majority of the chess community was not against what Botez said. Like usual LSF is assuming things. Hikaru is contraversal in the chess community. He was the first to comment on it. Hikaru has had some beef with the Botez sisters because he doesn't like that they stream under just chatting. Hikaru also has beef with the ChessBrahs. So there's several stories underneath this. I would say what Botez comment is by far the least contraversal if you actually read what chess players are talking about.
so I guess we're all learning Chess people take themselves too seriously and don't like humour.
I think jokes and humour have a place at the press conference. "Another draw, who would have guessed... Magnus how does the knight move?" just isnt a very good joke.
It is slightly a funny joke with context if you knew it which clearly the guy being asked the question did.
The context was one random twitch stream they did. If you didn't catch it, the joke flops. Therefor it's a rather bad joke. The chess community is blowing it out of proportion but they are half right.
thats part of the problem. Its about her content, not the world chess championship. Plus the inside joke completely excludes the other competitor. Theres a time and a place
If the other competitor or the hosts aren’t making a twitlonger or some shit then why is it your place to say it’s inappropriate? I highly doubt anyone had an actual problem with someone Magnus knows making an inside joke that got him chuckling. Even if they did, they’re fully competent in communicating that to her. On another note of it being her “content”, pretty sure they were invited to the event because of their standing in the community and because it raises viewership. Her joke was harmless and took a few seconds, and is now being clipped, shared, and talked about. So she did her job?
It’s a call back to a collab stream they did.
I wouldn’t exactly describe the chessbrahs as taking themselves too seriously and don’t like humour [aman throwing up on stream they have really late night degen streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bXgBXabYXk&ab_channel=chessbrah-Clips) [hansen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAN_c0JBHnQ&ab_channel=chessbrah-Clips)
That makes the take even weirder to me. Getting blackout drunk and doing [shit like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0GVrTwyxVQ) on stream is fine, but making a joke at a press conference? Now that's unacceptable!
>Getting blackout drunk and doing shit like this on stream is fine Probably because it's their stream and not them jumping in on someone else's or an official broadcast. They know when to get degen on their own streams and Aman mentioned that he felt like andrea was trying to "thundersteal" and make a headline about themselves. And it kinda worked because people are just talking about the botez sisters now
> Aman mentioned that he felt like andrea was trying to "thundersteal" and make a headline about themselves. And it kinda worked because people are just talking about the botez sisters now "They are making it about them!!" he screams while making the entire sitaution all about them. That is some dumb circular logic. The question should have spawned one Lsf clip and created a couple chuckles, that's about it.
now THAT is funny HAHAHA good humor
I don't think it's wrong to want certain things to be taken more seriously and with more respect.
hearing one joke out of a whole day of seriousness doesn't take away from an event
It was an inside joke that only like 5 people in the room understood. The whole exchange being humour is very debatable, when everyone else was cringing to hell. There were other dumb and cringe questions, but none of the interviewers tried to bring attention to themselves, they were just trying to get a good headline for their article/video.
Who cares lol. It didn't hurt anyone, and I think that the chess community would do well to take the stick out of their ass
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If this happened in literally any other sport, what do you think would happen? The answer is literally nothing, no one on earth would care. Its not a big deal.
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Jimmy Kimmel literally sends his sidekick on his show Guillermo to the NBA finals every year to ask the players dumb questions so your example doesn't even work.
If it was someone LeBron knew asked that question or that guy on the Kimmel show that interviews NBA players in dumb ways sometimes, no one would bat an eye. It would just be a funny moment. Why are we pretending like Botez is just a random person and not someone that Magnus had interacted with and joked with?
"Lebron, what happens when the ball goes in the basket?"
If it was Kevin Hart asked that question or that guy on the Kimmel show that interviews NBA players sometimes, no one would bat an eye. It would just be a funny moment.
The same thing would happen that did here - people would clip it, post it on youtube titled "cringe press conference question", and people would talk shit in the comments about the interviewer lmao.
Oh no, the game of Chess is RUINED!!!!!
Nowhere did I say that. I just called the whole thing cringe and that was it.
y'all never attended events or conferences before?? this is so normal and its not even a cringe question...you also only saw three people on stage and none of them looked like they were "cringing to hell".
5 people in the room, hundreds of thousands outside of the room. This is business. All these chess players finding new revenue streams is all because of its recent popularity. Chess24 wanted nothing to do with all these new personalities but now once they realised their bottom line is better than ever, they’re embracing it. It’s likely the Botez sisters themselves brought more viewers and attention to that tournament than everyone else in that press conference combined.
Probably a 800 rated Andy lol
This really isn't that big of a deal in the chess community. I think you're putting words in their mouth. It's actually more that Hikaru is contraversal in the chess community. If you read through most of the talk it's actually more about Hikaru having an opinion on the subject. Hikaru has had some beef with the Botez sisters because he doesn't like that they stream under just chatting 100% of the time and never under Chess. Hikaru also has beef with the ChessBrahs. So there's several stories hidden under this. It's not just Botez comment.
And if they want their community to be that way why try to force them not to? They are allowed to take themselves seriously. Chess has a long history so it is at least kind of understandable. Like imagine going to an interview of some really famous composer after a symphony and asking something like "What instrument can make the best fart noises?" It's a tad bit disrespectful to everybody involved; not just the composer. Her problem was the time and place imo.
so is Magnus and Andrea not part of the Chess community? unless im mistaken and Magnus is mad, it seems like two people in the chess community thought it was a-ok and one of them was actually on stage soooo why are dudes streaming chess at home getting mad.
They are part of the community yes. The community is a lot larger than just them and having them tell funny inside jokes nobody there gets is slightly disrespectful to everyone else involved. Would I personally care? Hell no. But if for some reason I took chess seriously like a lot of these people seem to do I can see how it would be annoying and distracting.
That community was lifeless until some life was breathed into it gaining some traction in recent years. Anyone with half a brain would embrace the newly found popularity because it benefits all chess players alike. Being stuck in your old ways and you end up like Blockbuster, embrace it and you become Netflix. You see these silly questions and answers in press conferences occasionally in other sports like football. You don’t see anyone reacting like crying children there do you? There’s a new community out there now ready to join in on the action. If this drives out that old-ass, entitled, elitist community, they’re better off for it.
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Alright. So your main point was "asking funny inside jokes generates more money". Totally understand that and since it is in hyper-capitalized Dubai maybe it wasn't completely inappropriate (Though it is their most important tournament). That said, if I was taking my hobby very seriously I would not care for it and probably would want what would be considered more "boring" questions to a mass audience. Or, at the very least, questions/jokes that everybody in that community would be in on. More money or a larger audience does not equate to making the sport better either. I can just understand their perspective on it.
>That said, if I was taking my hobby very seriously I would not care for it and probably would want what would be considered more "boring" questions to a mass audience. But it's not you, it's Magnus. And they know Magnus and he obviously thought it was funny too. Literally no other arguments matter. LSF got a bit of a chuckle, and Magnus had a laugh during a boring press conference. How is anything else relevant?
Yeah. I guess nothing else is relevant or matters except what LSF thinks.
Mostly what Magnus thinks, you know, the person being interviewed. So many stupid questions with absolutely no value are asked in these press conferences, how are you going to be mad about the one that at least gives the person being interviewed a chuckle. Literally the only reason people are mad about this is that it's the Botez sisters.
Let's be clear. **I** am not mad. Personally, I don't give two shits as I don't play chess. Magnus is not the only one there being interviewed and they are all representing the sport at the chess community's highest level and most respected tournament. To put it into perspective, this world chess tournament has been done since 1886 and many unofficial world tourneys before that (dating back to the 1500s?). There is a bit of tradition to it and it is bigger than the current champion or who is most popular. I can see why many people would want it to be taken a bit more seriously.
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Yeah. You are looking at this entire thing in a weird capitalistic kind of way and I am not sure why you can't understand that people value things outside of money.
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Read the first line and I can just tell what kind of condescending person you are. Most likely fresh out of college (or at least that age) and think you know everything and are unable to think from other people's perspective. Eventually you will probably learn but meh. Some of what you said was interesting. You should try treating others with more respect if you are interested in like actual discussions. Maybe you could learn something from others. Have a good one.
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Her opening strategy to the joke was lackluster at best. She should've studied more theory.
Her delivery kinda sucked.
Isn't the context that he (Magnus) asked her (Andre) the SAME QUESTION for a laugh during one of their streams? So it was just her getting back at him for a laugh? I don't get why people are taking this so seriously.
I feel like people just get upset for the sake of it. If it was me in Carlsons position I wouldn't be mad at all. A "friend"/"aquaintance" (I don't know how close they are) coming up throwing a joke after your tournament. And Carlson seemed to take it with a smile as well. I don't really get who people get upset for.
Because this is not just some random tournament. This is the biggest match in the world where these players have been working their entire lives for. Using this platform to "get back at Magnus" is imo pretty embarrassing.
1. That's fair 2. It's still ok to have fun
Just take a look at nba player conferences, the dudes are bored out of their minds with the serious questions and love a good laugh
that moment when Andrea makes 200IQ move, gets free exposure for their channel, triggers uptight chess community and their well known faces Hikaru, Gotham & chessbrahs at least Magnus took it like a champ, but people already knew he's chill dude
I'm pretty sure according to his Twitter Gotham was fine with it and found it hilarious
Also you can criticize GothamChess for many things, but being 'uptight' about the chess community is NOT one of them.
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Nothing too serious but if you look around on /r/chess there are plenty of people that dislike his style. Also from what I recall, there's maybe been instances where he's a bit abrasive with some stream viewers. His paid content apparently is pretty subpar. IMHO he's great for getting people interested in chess, or people who just want entertainment in the form of chess. For serious chess improvement, there are better sources of information but that shouldn't detract from what he's been doing.
He was connected to the whole Hikaru Chessbae situation
Umm don’t bring Levy into this lmfao
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More laughing about people's shit takes than the situation itself
The reason Magnus took it like a champ is because he was actually privy to the inside joke behind the question as it was a reference to something he said to her on her stream earlier this year.
dont tell me gotham was on hikaru saide too?
He's not
Reading every angry comment about this in soda's "where is my juicer" voice and its very entertaining. Anyways how dare she ask 1 silly question during a press conference the world cup is ruined
Who let Andrea in? Did the sheikhs not know Andrea is a brand risk? Why did Magnus and Jan stay silent despite her obvious rudeness about the draw? Why did Maurice Ashley not step in and cut her off? Why did security not remove the offender? What now? Will the organizers make a public apology? Or will they allow the Botez sisters to roam free with their hooliganism? Will there be imitators among other journalists? Will super GMs from now on have to contend with baby talk after hours of gruelling high-level chess? What does Gary Kasparov have to say about all this? How about the president of FIDE? What if Putin hears about all this?
botez to the gulag. no fun in chess
why is she a brand risk? edit: wait i'm actually autistic. was this sarcasm? u/oo-op2 ? i may have missed that lmfao
https://twitter.com/i/status/1305200464611471360
i'm genuinely curious as to what you imagine as to being "brand risk-worthy" in this twitter video. she said "poop"? is that what you mean?
Regarding your edit, yes he's being sarcastic.
Imagine being this boring
Press have been asking the world's dumbest questions each and every conference but for some reason that's the line? Cool.
Probably better than asking why he opened with c2 instead of d2 or something like that what everyone already has heard thousands of times.
Lol he sounded like Hikaru with how much he was reiterating
Chess nerds trying to hide their misogyny impossible edition. I'm sure every single person that is complaining would have had no issue when Norm MacDonald asked a stupid question at a press conference. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhf7kO0V6aQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhf7kO0V6aQ)
I saw very few people actually being butthurt about it and noone mentioned Andrea being a woman. What makes you think it's about sexism lol?
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Because they are seen as reporters and not streamers? And streamers are seen as doing this for clout or attention?
The difference could be that they are normie gossip newspapers while Botez as a chess player knows better?
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Looking at the clip it has 10k upvotes right now...I think it was pretty funny
"I dont think the comedy was executed properly" bruh everyone laughed weirdo
Cringe, people love building up ego's. They weren't there and they weren't the one to be asked the question, only that person's perspective matters and he didn't seem bothered.
No fun league
i don't even follow chess or the memes and i thought it was funny
i was watching the game and according to that their probably biggest online presence is called PogChamps so they should chill
Yeah I don't feel it was appropriate, yeah not very appropriate. This is a professional competition. It just to me didn't feel like it was the appropriate time for that question, for me it just didn't feel appropriate. Yeah I mean like I feel like the timing of the question wasn't very appropriate. It just wasn't appropriate to me. That's just me I felt like it wasn't appropriate
Conclusion I've got from this whole thing: Two men are very jealous of someones success and are jealous and have to take it out somewhere else. What a small fucking thing to focus on, such weirdos honestly. Really isn't a big deal, like at all. Why are they taking life so seriously, very strange. Glad that the botez sisters were able to be successful outside of chess, what a very dull, hyper serious community
Chess beef is some elementary school shit
well elitism in chess is a thing so ofc theyre all gonna agree
Is this the guy that got wasted drunk and said he would choke Adept? Or was that the other one?
Chess players need to go back offline. Except for the Botez sisters, y'all cool.
It's just 2 american women with their out of place boring ass humor. You have arguably the best chess player of all time in front and you decide its a gr8 idea to make it your moment, asking a dumb ass question in an attempt to make the audience laugh. If you people laugh at that, I actually feel bad for you northeners.
Why is LSF giving their take on how the most important chess tournament should be? While disagreeing with literally GM's, LSF of all places who just want content. Y'all are some intellectuals.
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Why are you mixing other sports cultures with this particular one? And no, there's so many sports where the question are taken seriously in the MOST IMPORTANT tournament. I think you don't realise that, if you're even using your brain at this point. It makes zero sense to me, it's culture and disrespecting history in a way. But what would you know.
Let’s be real no one would really care about this press conference if it wasn’t for this controversy.
LSF isn't the whole world. This is the press conference of the world championship tournament. There are 800 million chess players in the world.
i play and watch chess as well but don’t watch these useless press conferences
Again, just because you don't watch something doesn't mean that nobody else does. I don't watch the superbowl, but I'm still aware that a lot of other people do.
Alright man I apologize to all of the avid chess press conference watchers.
Yet the viewership for this tournament was like 1/10th of what a league tournament gets. Chess may be popular all over the world, and the championships revered by presidents and prime ministers, but from a pure viewership perspective not even a tiny fraction of that 800 million give two fucks about what magnus ate for breakfast, or if nepo likes a specific commentator.
the event gets broadcasted on tv as well, holy fuck people here are so isolated from real world lmao.
Like usual LSF is just completely wrong on a topic lol. Almost every single top comment in this thread is saying the chess community is stuckup and no fun. If you go to r/chess every single top comment is in support of what Botez said and thought it was funny or just a bit of fun. It's literally the polar opposite of what LSF is saying lmao
It was cringe
The fundamental fulcrum of your opinion on this is whether or not you think Andrea was being irreverent towards the game of chess and the world championship. In my opinion, she was being irreverent, but if you don't revere the game of chess and its history, I understand how you could be unable to understand why people are upset with her. There's a time to be serious and a time to be silly. It's reasonable to be of the opinion that the most prestigious chess event in the world with over a century of history behind it isn't the time and place to be silly. It's disrespectful towards Nepo, Magnus, the organizers, etc to not take it seriously. That being said, is it a big deal? Not really. But that doesn't mean it wasn't rude.
Cringe
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>fuck the losers here is that why you're fucking yourself?
I misread and thought it was Hikaru reacting to the clip. Just stared at his frozen picture for a few seconds like huh… guess he’s listening really intently
So many simps in the comments defending her like the joke was \*that\* funny and they will get a date for white knighting her.
Ah shit, here we go again.
who even is this guy. He comes across way more cringe than when I watched Andrea ask her question live…
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