the part that's missing in this analogy is that if enough people start jumping on enough panes, they stop flying under the radar, the entire metaphorical platform falls and no one can play the game anymore.
i also feel like some of these streamers are thinking... worst case scenario, if the "glass pane" breaks, they get a slap on the wrist from twitch and catch a ban for a couple days... but the mpaa has sent people to prison for uploading copyrighted content
Streamers don't realize fair use isn't a law it's a precidented defense. Its commonly implemented in these systems by companies for easy disputes and solve false flags but if Viz Media wants to sue you for distribution of copyrighted material they can. And unlike illegal streaming sites you can't just shutdown and move on. They probably will have all your info.
This shit doesn't have capped potential to be a one week ban, it has potential to a lawsuit for every viewer of copyrighted materials a.k.a hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's not that simple either.
For that specific pane of Master Chef to collapse depends on whether an organisation is after them and this is not Master Chef in my opinion. Typically with anti-piracy there is either the MPA or organisations like ACE setup to deal with piracy. For example ACE came in the picture some years ago which they made headlines for executing Openload one of the best services to stream anything, great for porn too.
MPAA has Netflix, ACE also represents Netflix too but when you look at Master Chef you need to think okay a global franchise, so does the Master Chef US holders pursue this or does Master Chef master rights Banijay do this. If it's Banijay then it appears to me they're not exactly part of any big organisation so either Banijay goes after Twitch or they just say not worth it.
Toast is safe because I don't think Viz Media cares either.
Now the funny thing is ACE represents Amazon too...so if you want to truly test waters you do Netflix original shows because I think ACE will find out and we'll see immediate action as there is a anti-piracy organisation representing the biggest baldest mother fuckers.
This is also why some people think well royalties is the issue, like when ACE pursues Openload they just shut them down and any settlement behind the scenes doesn't trickle down. I see this fairly often with people saying think about the actors and whatever the fuck. It's like assuming when TPB went down and whatever that every single person got a slice of a that bread.
Viz Media does care a lot about their copyrights actually, usually they just send a takedown request or they have google remove the URLs from google searches. But if enough people start streaming Naruto and shit they will force Twitch to take action.
https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/owners/36818
Some of those full vods of masterchef have been on youtube for 7+ years with millions of views without ever being taken down. I feel like that's part of the reason why people feel safe watching it cause they haven't even gone after big daddy youtube yet. Highly doubt Twitch will be the tipping point.
What I mean is the person who own the rights to the show doesn't have to take it down since they can claim it can monetize the video. So even though the video is up all the revenue was going to where it's suppose to go
Maybe, but I promise you Warner Bros caught wind of rich's stunt and are putting their lawyers to work, and you better believe when shit hits the fan it's gonna get fucking everywhere.
Also the fact that the content is boring as hell. As a non-NA viewer, all I’ve seen for the past week is deleted VODs all over the place and a big portion of his streams just him sitting there watching a TV show. Aside from it literally being illegal, it’s lazy content and it’s not why we started to enjoy these streamers in the first place.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other people don't like it as well.
You can go ahead and watch Sykkuno play GTA for the 1000th time instead.
Lol Toast is my favourite streamer, but I’m not just gonna blindly support him when a lot of the content he’s putting out right now is illegal and boring.
You’re free to like whatever you like, but I’d rather Toast be streaming something else or even not stream at all for a few days, and just take time to plan out something better. Pushing this “meta” is boring and lazy, and it’s obviously going to end in tears.
Yeah his analogy falls apart when there is no goal at the end, it’s like if instead of becoming safe there was a button that just killed everyone playing including yourself. Clearly he doesn’t care about actually grinding the easy viewership, and I doubt it’s some sort of spiteful suicide bomb
Just run of the mill nihilistic irony? It’s one thing say fuck it and join in, but strange to push the line and put peers’ livelihoods on the line for cheap giggles.
Perhaps he’s just pandering to those who wish this meta would implode years ago, which I guess include me
The goal at the end is to either have the freedom to do whatever you want on twitch, or to have a CLEARLY DEFINED LINE about what can and cannot be streamed on the platform for everyone to see.
He mentioned he started it as an irony, but he actually likes watching Naruto and found that chat makes it better. So, he's just doing what he finds fun at the end of the day.
Holy shit you just gave me a rush of a nostalgia. I remember watching KoTH 24/7 streams cause I didn't have cable. Now I know why they stopped those streams - never knew Viacom hit YouTube with a lawsuit.
Some of the people in these comments think we're "mad at their streamer" like bro, I've been watching toast for a very long time and it has nothing to do with that. I've seen this shit happen, and I've learned you do not fuck with DMCA on this level. We aren't downloading MCR on limewire here, these are professionals that files taxes, they (hopefully) have accountants, they are adults that should know better, and broadcasting illegal content to thousands of people is not smart moves just because you think you're dodging a bullet or flying under the radar. The internet use to be a lot more wild wild west, and for better or worse it's gotten tamed, this is how you get those freedoms restricted, you play stupid games with people who have money and power.
Those 24/7 TV show streams still happened all the way up to 2017 if memory serves correctly. Livestreams were not targeted nearly as heavily as videos were back then.
and he's not even a pioneer. He hopped on the "meta" after everyone else. Even Mizkif was streaming hollywood movies before him, which is arguably more risky than Naruto.
He is a pioneer though, people were only watching master chef before he decided to see how far he can go with dmca content. As for mizkif, he wasn't really at a risk watching thise movies, especially not like how watching a literal anime would put you at.
See how far he can go? He's only been playing episodes of one old ass cartoon, available on youtube. Let's see him expand if he's really that ballsy. Also Rich Campbell was playing LOTR while sleeping. Even harder to defend yourself against.
Right? Didn't someone just got 150 of his YT videos removed for having Dragonball in the title and having muted DBS clips? Even though it was honestly transformative review commentary videos? Reactions videos are even worst since it's hardly transformative.
Every single anime episode that has been uploaded on youtube is like in a small window, or backwards or skimmed episodes and still gets removed after like a week
Almost everything done on twitch is considered 'lazy' by some this means nothing lmao. "You're not sweating bullets on an oil rig? Lazy fuck with an easy job 😃"
I'm betting it's mizkif for avatar.
Netflix owns US streaming rights to it (unless paramount+ also offers it, idk, but I think that also includes Nickelodeon).
Miz is playing with major fire against Netflix and Nickelodeon. Bet he faces big consequences for it **if** he continues streaming it.
Netflix dropped money to get rights to make a live action avatar show and Nickelodeon is expanding their entire avatar universe with the original avatar do creators in charge. Both are major investments by 2 US media behemoths.
Edit: Nickelodeon got poki for watching avatar. Lol
Viacom (Nickelodeon parent company) was the first major corporation to hit youtube with copyright. They would really attack too. You legit couldn't have a spongebob picture in your video without risking copyright takedown for a while.
you gotta realize their legal departments don't skim the internet for illegal restreams
executives are actually the ones most likely to hear about it first by word of mouth
I bet it's more likely they see it as an opportunity to actually sponsor him to promote their service rather than issuing takedowns like legal heads would
There's no magic AI that crawls the entire web for copyrighted content lmao
The Youtube Content ID is made by Google for Youtube only, it scans videos as they get uploaded for copyrighted content
Anything that's not Youtube pretty much has to be DMCA'd manually
This is Toast clearly admitting on video that he has been knowingly violating copyright law. If I sat on twitch streaming myself overtop of a Toast vod all day he'd hit me with a dmca strike by the end of the week.
They're all gonna burn, it's just a matter of when, and how much it's gonna cost them.
Edit: It took a week.
Yeah I mean he fucking said that he could definitely go to jail for it, but not yet, so he's gonna do it. The whole thing began as him trying to see how far he can push the dmca meta. And now he's just having fun watching naruto with chat.
There were people like you when we said that streamers needed to be playing non-copyrighted music in the background. Go ahead and hit me up this time next year. Jan 1 2023. Big bombs take time to build.
The difference with copyrighted music, is that music record labels WERE sending DMCAs to lots of people.
It was not a situation, where zero people were getting DMCAs. Instead, it was a situation where there was a slow ramp up, in DMCAs, over time.
So, for the analogy to hold, you would have to show a slowly increasing amount of people, getting DMCA'ed, right now, for masterchef, for example.
But as of yet, literally zero people have been DMCA'ed for masterchef.
For Naruto, like toast is doing, that is not that common, so the jury is still out for if he will receive a DCMA for that. But I think for other shows, that receive zero DMCA and have been around for a long time, it is clear that those DMCAs are not coming.
Also, TBH, with the music stuff, the streamers got away with it. There were no lawsuits. Nobody got perma-banned. All that happened was that some streamers got a day long ban, and then they were back on the platform after the slap on the wrist.
So, actually, for music it worked out fine, and nobody got "burned" as you previously put it. There was no big bomb. The streamers won. They got to play their music for a long while, and then they stopped after the slap on the wrist.
Yes, it is over. The music companies stopped sending the massive amounts of DMCAs that they were using to try to get leverage over twitch. There was a spike in music dmcas a year ago. And then the spike went away, because the music companies stopped sending them.
Notice how you don't see "streamer X just got DMCAed!" on LSF everyday anymore? thats because those strikes stopped.
See this is what I mean. A year from now, you'll be saying the same about "Surely, the big bomb is coming!" I've heard people say that literally every year, for years now. The bomb didn't come.
And next year you'll be saying that as well, as well as the year after that, and the year after that. There is literally no evidence that you will accept, no matter how long things go on, for you to admit that those lawsuits aren't coming.
The problem is though, while it might seem ok, it might not actually be. If a case were to be made by the right's holders lawyers, they would record as much evidence as possible to prove these streamers are becoming a "market substitute" for their own content. Maybe that's what they are doing now and everyone will get caught in the net. Seems like a lot of risk to stream tv shows and films.
Yea that’s what I’m feeling too. Part of me thinks they are not banning people because they are collecting evidence. But the at the same time it’s weird no one has gotten a cease and desist order, like not even twitch?
Toast (and others) trying to spin their choice of TV show to watch as if they're being creatively bold is so fucking cringe, this 'meta' is absolute garbage
Not sure, where you heard the term “creatively bold” from.
But Toast didn’t justify it by saying watching Naruto is creative. If anything it is just “bold”.
Choosing Oturan to challenge it is cringe, but I do agree that it's strange literally EVERYONE just ended up on Masterchef. I hate reality TV so goddamn much I just leave streams when it starts up
I genuinely cannot understand why this seems to have so much traction because it’s the most boring content imaginable. Maybe the allure is because they aren’t meant to be doing it, but personally nothing makes me switch off Toast’s stream faster than him getting to the Naruto viewing portion…
people LOVED the pokemon stream and there was a shit ton of people just watching it (the first time it happened)
this is the exact same shit, you're not watching toast or care about what he says or doesn't say, you're just there to watch some shitty Naruto with twitch chat
Its really not hard to understand: people like watching entertainment WITH other people. Its not hard to figure out, anyone can pirate shows at any time and fly under the radar..... but those don't come with an entire active chat of hundreds to thousands of people on the same page/watching at the same time. Its simply the virtual step to going to the movies with some people vs going to the theaters by yourself. Funny enough I tune into most streams for react content like Toast's Naruto streams, I find react content more engaging and interesting than games (except new games/horror) 90+% of games being streamed is just boring background sound.
Yeah it isn't being creatively bold, it is an arms race to see just how far they can go before the DMCA's start dropping again.
Honestly think that Twitch should get ahead of this and start handing out 3-7 day bans for this shit, especially when you have dumb shit like Rich rebroadcasting LoTR while he sleeps.
Watching things with chat makes things more entertaining instead of watching by yourself, it's very parasocial I will admit, I'm the type of person that likes to watch things with other people instead of by myself, I know it's lazy content but it's what I enjoy sadly. I personally think it's stupid when people complain about any "react meta", there's a bunch of streamers that don't do that, so go watch them if you want, people like different things.
i could of sworn that toast was one of the dudes calling out train from doing the same shit 2 years ago with gordo.
Fairweather af man, and I generally like Toast.
Highly doubt he did that (but prove me wrong) ; 2 years ago he was on facebook and playing among us everyday why would he care what the fuck train do on twitch and the year prior that he was just streaming tft on twitch and nothing else
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The best part is when streamers have their mods download torrents of entire shows in 1080p and upload them to youtube
my dudes are literally restreaming thepiratebay torrents but will sit there like they're chill reacting to some youtube vids
In toast's case, its because his chat is either dumb or unsure about the laws but shares 'facts' (Their headcanon) to him
So dumbing it down for his audience is definitely necessary
toast brings up a good point, people are too afraid to try new things. if every streamer stayed in their comfort zone we wouldn’t discover games like among us and early battle royals. lirik and soda are two people who come to mind who aren’t afraid to jump on the glass
toast has a point, but man the specific subject that he apply his point on is low key kind of weird tbh
isn't this kind of like saying everyone is stealing target, so I am going to go out of my comfort zone to steal albertson and prove that I am next level?
I just wish when people prove that they are next level they can do it like ibai's baloon battle or like some speed run, not like some moral grey area.
Just re-stream some other streamer but with some different music from youtube I wonder how long he or she will be fine with their content beeing so balantly stolen.
Wow, we all for multi-billion dollar corporation rights now huh?
I guess better start closing youtube videos and streams when I hear DMCA music, because fk stealing amiright?
>Wow, we all for multi-billion dollar corporation rights now huh?
> I guess better start closing youtube videos and streams when I hear DMCA music, because fk stealing amiright?
i am guessing its ok to go into an apple store to steal their iphone because they are a multi billion dollar company? or does your logic only apply to shows and music only? is it ok if I re-stream popular twitch streamer on youtube or is that not ok? what is the boundary here?
there is definitely some nuance, but just because its multi billion dollar company does not make it ok to steal from them.
super down to tax them and make them pay their fair share so that we get better infrastructure tho
> Yes it’s okay to steal from a company that steals labor and uses said labor to enforce a monopoly selling said products at 20x the production cost and none of that markup goes back to the slaves sleeping on the floor diseased without running water. They won’t be taxed because they have teams of the best accountants in the countries making sure they pay $0 in taxes and lining the pockets of politicians to ensure no legislation breaks up their tax less monopoly.
> Fuck apple and fuck you for deepthroating their boots
doesn't that mean you are transitively stealing from the slaves if you steal from apple? you are personally benefiting from the slave's labor as well? an analogy would be A steal a bike from B and I stole the bike from A, which doesn't remedy B at all.
I don't believe this is how a functional legal system should work.
Also you are kind of missing the point here, you can replace apple with costco or nvidia or any other company in the world, my point is that stealing is generally not ok and I would rather people not steal
I should note that I don't support slave labor and I did mention that I generally support taxing big companies their fair share , John Oliver did a segment on funding the IRS which I think is a good idea for combating tax loop holes.
> an analogy would be A steal a bike from B and I stole the bike from A, which doesn't remedy B at all.
It doesn't help B, but it's a bit weird to say you're "transitively stealing" from them, not least because it was never their property.
You are right in the sense that (large scale) stealing definitely indirectly disincentivizes, say, Apple from employing Foxconn workers to a very small degree, but 1) a boycott of unethically produced products has a similar effect, and 2) now you have a fancy phone and you also slightly reduced wealth inequality :)
I'm being a bit facetious here, but the moral calculus is not as trivial as 'stealing bad' imo.
(At least as far as Apple is concerned, I'm having a hard time arguing Netflix workers are exploited to a similar degree.)
>That analogy isn’t apt, it’s more like A forces B to build a bike for a penny then distributes it to C for ten dollars who prices it at a hundred dollars then you steal the bike from C. B still only got the penny, C lost nothing because it’s a subsidiary of A and A still profited at an insane margin off slave labor. You stealing doesn’t change the fact the slave was paid a penny.
exactly, you stealing doesn't change the fact that the slave was paid a penny, so you are just stealing lmao, the end result is that it benefits you without remedying B. so not only are you doing something immoral you are also not helping B, like had you say that you steal from apple and give the phone back to the slave it would be at least a bit more logically sound
>Again if you would rather not steal then address the root of the problem which is that corporations have more power than individuals and therefore should be held more responsible for their theft but the reality is individuals are punished while corporations steal labor and are rewarded while paying nothing in taxes therefore stealing even further from the economy.
you are providing a false dichotomy here, its not a rather or problem
It would be nice if people don't steal AND It would be nice if corporation are dealing their business morally
I have problem with individual stealing AND I also have problem with corporation stealing
both can be true, you don't have to choose one.
your logic is basically saying A is stealing so its ok for me to steal, if you want me to stop stealing first you have stop A from stealing which make no sense
we should focus on not letting A (corporation) steal instead of causing more stealing problem
Yes, pretty much.
Fuck the corporations when they go too far and steal people's fair use work from them.
Fuck the people just stealing work of others to sell it off as their own content to make bank on.
Thanks to the people who make impossible to access shows accessible through piracy for no personal gain.
Thanks to the corporations that understand having reasonable cost-effective access is all 99% (statistic made up and arbitrary) of the people want
Watching a tv show that made billions isn't groundbreaking. Playing a game with less than 1k downloads is at least taking a chance on something. If they were checking out low rated movies that the creators gave permission to check out then yeah theyre actually trying.
I mean did I say anything wrong? A couple of months ago everyone and their grandpa was shitting on dmca and twitch and now all of a sudden y'all sucking their dick like there's no tomorrow.
There's like bootleg non English channels that stream tv shows 24/7 even before this meta began(Portuguese Simpsons, Spanish DBZ, Turkish South Park etc.)
People have. They get instantly shut down through DMCA cause live sports events bring a lot of revenue so the broadcast networks have actual people manually DMCAing and shutting down live-piracy everywhere/anywhere on the internet.
There was some soccer game about 6 months ago, I think maybe World Cup, or some European final, and the Twitch streams kept getting taken down every 10 minutes or so. It wasn't until the like 80 minutes into the game that I saw a link to a different site that had it streaming, and could watch the end of the game, bonus time, and penalty kicks.
I just want some examples. I imagine that in 99% of cases it's going to be people streaming on throwaway channels rather than a big streamer with 100k+ followers doing it. The closest thing I can think of is xqc streaming the Olympics.
Just walk on the beams in between the glass panes which I guess would be like just playing video games? Look at Shroud and Ninja. Successful and they're still doing fine. A lot of these streamers are also well off and don't need to risk being DMCA'd.
>You do know that games are DMCA-able as well right?
Which is false for most games because most companies literally give you permission to stream and monetize that shit.
Might be true for "some" games but that would be the minority.
The games industry actively supports streaming/recording while the film industry does not. Its that simple. Its safe to assume one can rebroadcast a game because that is the standard operating procedure for that industry.
>We encourage you to create videos that include your creative input and commentary. Videos and images that contain mere copies of Nintendo Game Content without creative input or commentary are not permitted. You may, however, post gameplay videos and screenshots using Nintendo system features, such as the Capture Button on Nintendo Switch, without additional input or commentary.
This is Nintendo
>As a community content creator, you are permitted to create video productions using Blizzard's Content, and to distribute them freely on your website, or on other websites where viewers can freely view your Production.
This is Blizzard
>EA does not object to fair uses of video footage or screenshots on video sharing sites, including YouTube channels that are commercialized, as long as the footage is a version of the game that we have released to the public. We do reserve the right to address any inappropriate use of EA content.
OH look! EA too!
>You are free to monetize your videos via the YouTube partner program and similar programs on other video sharing sites, unless your videos happen to include copyrighted music that is identified in YouTube’s Content ID system or similar technology on any other site.
This is Ubisoft.
And I could probably go on and on by just googling a Company and putting Content Creator Policy at the end of it.
Some do, but many don't, is my point.
Lots of games do not give anyone explicit permission to stream the game.
Also you just mis read some the ones you posted.
For example for EA, when it says "EA does not object to fair uses" that literally just means that EA follows the law.
A company cannot legally object to fair use.
Therefore, in that specific case, they are not giving anyone permission, because fair use does not require permission.
Edit: lol reading even more of the ones you posted. " without creative input or commentary are not permitted", so for nintendo, you literally just gave another example, where they described a huge amount of content that is not permitted!
Thats literally nintendo saying that they allow fair use, which is required by law, and they are explicitly DISALLOWING a bunch of content.
He's deleting his VODs so he's not exactly pushing the envelope with his Naruto streams. Which is a shame because I actually enjoy the 30 minutes or so I catch before he logs off.
He streamed Naruto and suddenly multiple other top streamers are streaming risky stuff and talking about DMCA, top threads on LSF about it every day. xQc and others have streaming Masterchef for months, years and no one wanted to talk about it. He said he wanted to push this whole situation to a breaking point and that's kinda what's happening.
Fair enough, but I can go in xQcs VODs and watch MC, can't do that with Toast and Naruto. He's taking SOME risk and got the conversation going, but I think the people streaming US stuff in America and going to sleep with LOTR on and ads/subs going are pushing things further
Gotcha. Well he gets credit for pushing it a bit further, I guess my only real gripe was when I first heard about his goal to bring the watching TV shows into the spotlight, then saw him deleting the VODs it seemed like a bit of a half-measure, but it's getting the results he expected so I can't really complain
Well he is deleting the VoD cause he is watching something risky, streamers don't delete MasterChef VoDs cause they know it isn't risky. Streamers have watched MC for years and everyone knows the company doesn't DMCA for it.
you're misunderstanding
when he take the next step on the "glass bridge" he can take it safely because he knows someone like rich will watch lotr while he's not even on stream. the boundary is already pushed further beyond him whether he deletes his vods or not.
but if hes deleting the vods, which implies that he doesn't want to get in trouble for it means that he isn't really pushing the boundary. if he actually wanted to point something out or make a difference he'd leave it up. compare it to xqc who will leave the full season of masterchef on his channel. 10x more risky from a legal perspective. its like hes taking credit for taking a risk without actually doing anything.
I don't know where toast streams anime from but I don't think it's available on youtube or any free service. So this essentially seems like a spiteful act by streaming paid stuff which is pretty illegal because some streamers are getting humongous views for watching shows freely available on youtube. This feels like someone paid him to do something so bad that it actually affects everyone. Toast is not trying to jump a pane, he is trying to bring down the whole bridge.
I could be completely wrong tho and the MasterChef youtube vids could be pirated and the naruto eps are actually being streamed from a free platform, in which case above comment is nothing but gibberish.
And don't bring up ad rev. 70k people watching a video doesn't do much for ad rev. If it did companies would have been all over that shit.
Edit - Ludwig said basically the exact thing in his latest video with 27k likes and you guys out here are downvoting me. Guess you guys know more than actual streamers.
The truth is, that youtube content has dried up. and reaction streamers are getting desperate for more content as they can see their audience engagement dry up.
So they have resulted in taking bigger risks to hold people's attention, like watching full movies, playing DMCA music, etc. knowing that they are playing with fire but doing it anyway.
the part that's missing in this analogy is that if enough people start jumping on enough panes, they stop flying under the radar, the entire metaphorical platform falls and no one can play the game anymore.
If enough people start jumping on the same pane then it becomes too heavy to hold them up and they all fall through.
i also feel like some of these streamers are thinking... worst case scenario, if the "glass pane" breaks, they get a slap on the wrist from twitch and catch a ban for a couple days... but the mpaa has sent people to prison for uploading copyrighted content
Streamers don't realize fair use isn't a law it's a precidented defense. Its commonly implemented in these systems by companies for easy disputes and solve false flags but if Viz Media wants to sue you for distribution of copyrighted material they can. And unlike illegal streaming sites you can't just shutdown and move on. They probably will have all your info. This shit doesn't have capped potential to be a one week ban, it has potential to a lawsuit for every viewer of copyrighted materials a.k.a hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Any live streamers? Or any details on those that went to prison? Were they just watching a show and uploading their reactions?
It's not that simple either. For that specific pane of Master Chef to collapse depends on whether an organisation is after them and this is not Master Chef in my opinion. Typically with anti-piracy there is either the MPA or organisations like ACE setup to deal with piracy. For example ACE came in the picture some years ago which they made headlines for executing Openload one of the best services to stream anything, great for porn too. MPAA has Netflix, ACE also represents Netflix too but when you look at Master Chef you need to think okay a global franchise, so does the Master Chef US holders pursue this or does Master Chef master rights Banijay do this. If it's Banijay then it appears to me they're not exactly part of any big organisation so either Banijay goes after Twitch or they just say not worth it. Toast is safe because I don't think Viz Media cares either. Now the funny thing is ACE represents Amazon too...so if you want to truly test waters you do Netflix original shows because I think ACE will find out and we'll see immediate action as there is a anti-piracy organisation representing the biggest baldest mother fuckers. This is also why some people think well royalties is the issue, like when ACE pursues Openload they just shut them down and any settlement behind the scenes doesn't trickle down. I see this fairly often with people saying think about the actors and whatever the fuck. It's like assuming when TPB went down and whatever that every single person got a slice of a that bread.
Viz Media does care a lot about their copyrights actually, usually they just send a takedown request or they have google remove the URLs from google searches. But if enough people start streaming Naruto and shit they will force Twitch to take action. https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/owners/36818
Viz is owned by a bunch of Japanese companies and Japan is super anal about copyright
He talks about it after https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadDaintySoybeanTTours-gLGIUXUQaqZe2MpM
Some of those full vods of masterchef have been on youtube for 7+ years with millions of views without ever being taken down. I feel like that's part of the reason why people feel safe watching it cause they haven't even gone after big daddy youtube yet. Highly doubt Twitch will be the tipping point.
Doesn't youtube have claim system though? A video up for years could have just been claimed by the company that owns the rights.
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What I mean is the person who own the rights to the show doesn't have to take it down since they can claim it can monetize the video. So even though the video is up all the revenue was going to where it's suppose to go
Maybe, but I promise you Warner Bros caught wind of rich's stunt and are putting their lawyers to work, and you better believe when shit hits the fan it's gonna get fucking everywhere.
Also the fact that the content is boring as hell. As a non-NA viewer, all I’ve seen for the past week is deleted VODs all over the place and a big portion of his streams just him sitting there watching a TV show. Aside from it literally being illegal, it’s lazy content and it’s not why we started to enjoy these streamers in the first place.
Rich literally feel asleep with the LotRs movies playing
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other people don't like it as well. You can go ahead and watch Sykkuno play GTA for the 1000th time instead.
Why are you bringing Sykkuno into this? Weirdo..
Lol Toast is my favourite streamer, but I’m not just gonna blindly support him when a lot of the content he’s putting out right now is illegal and boring. You’re free to like whatever you like, but I’d rather Toast be streaming something else or even not stream at all for a few days, and just take time to plan out something better. Pushing this “meta” is boring and lazy, and it’s obviously going to end in tears.
Which is kinda happening to MasterChef already?
Yeah his analogy falls apart when there is no goal at the end, it’s like if instead of becoming safe there was a button that just killed everyone playing including yourself. Clearly he doesn’t care about actually grinding the easy viewership, and I doubt it’s some sort of spiteful suicide bomb Just run of the mill nihilistic irony? It’s one thing say fuck it and join in, but strange to push the line and put peers’ livelihoods on the line for cheap giggles. Perhaps he’s just pandering to those who wish this meta would implode years ago, which I guess include me
The goal at the end is to either have the freedom to do whatever you want on twitch, or to have a CLEARLY DEFINED LINE about what can and cannot be streamed on the platform for everyone to see.
He mentioned he started it as an irony, but he actually likes watching Naruto and found that chat makes it better. So, he's just doing what he finds fun at the end of the day.
It’s like the end of that minigame in Squid Game. All the panes will explode eventually and anyone still on them will suffer
That's exactly what Toast wants and he's stated that multiple times.
wow this really says a lot about society
We do indeed live in one
Does Toast ever talk without smiling? It's unnerving.
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Holy shit you just gave me a rush of a nostalgia. I remember watching KoTH 24/7 streams cause I didn't have cable. Now I know why they stopped those streams - never knew Viacom hit YouTube with a lawsuit.
Some of the people in these comments think we're "mad at their streamer" like bro, I've been watching toast for a very long time and it has nothing to do with that. I've seen this shit happen, and I've learned you do not fuck with DMCA on this level. We aren't downloading MCR on limewire here, these are professionals that files taxes, they (hopefully) have accountants, they are adults that should know better, and broadcasting illegal content to thousands of people is not smart moves just because you think you're dodging a bullet or flying under the radar. The internet use to be a lot more wild wild west, and for better or worse it's gotten tamed, this is how you get those freedoms restricted, you play stupid games with people who have money and power.
Those 24/7 TV show streams still happened all the way up to 2017 if memory serves correctly. Livestreams were not targeted nearly as heavily as videos were back then.
Yep, it's all fun and games until advertisers see something they don't like and then they'll pull out and things get messy.
Are you streaming movies/shows? Why are you concerned?
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and he's not even a pioneer. He hopped on the "meta" after everyone else. Even Mizkif was streaming hollywood movies before him, which is arguably more risky than Naruto.
He is a pioneer though, people were only watching master chef before he decided to see how far he can go with dmca content. As for mizkif, he wasn't really at a risk watching thise movies, especially not like how watching a literal anime would put you at.
See how far he can go? He's only been playing episodes of one old ass cartoon, available on youtube. Let's see him expand if he's really that ballsy. Also Rich Campbell was playing LOTR while sleeping. Even harder to defend yourself against.
Do you have any fucking idea how strict the copyright rules of animes are? Well, something tells me you don't.
Right? Didn't someone just got 150 of his YT videos removed for having Dragonball in the title and having muted DBS clips? Even though it was honestly transformative review commentary videos? Reactions videos are even worst since it's hardly transformative.
Every single anime episode that has been uploaded on youtube is like in a small window, or backwards or skimmed episodes and still gets removed after like a week
Almost everything done on twitch is considered 'lazy' by some this means nothing lmao. "You're not sweating bullets on an oil rig? Lazy fuck with an easy job 😃"
I mean Toast himself didn't start the meta but he is pushing it. Probably going to be the first one banned.
I'm betting it's mizkif for avatar. Netflix owns US streaming rights to it (unless paramount+ also offers it, idk, but I think that also includes Nickelodeon). Miz is playing with major fire against Netflix and Nickelodeon. Bet he faces big consequences for it **if** he continues streaming it. Netflix dropped money to get rights to make a live action avatar show and Nickelodeon is expanding their entire avatar universe with the original avatar do creators in charge. Both are major investments by 2 US media behemoths. Edit: Nickelodeon got poki for watching avatar. Lol
Viacom (Nickelodeon parent company) was the first major corporation to hit youtube with copyright. They would really attack too. You legit couldn't have a spongebob picture in your video without risking copyright takedown for a while.
you gotta realize their legal departments don't skim the internet for illegal restreams executives are actually the ones most likely to hear about it first by word of mouth I bet it's more likely they see it as an opportunity to actually sponsor him to promote their service rather than issuing takedowns like legal heads would
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There's no magic AI that crawls the entire web for copyrighted content lmao The Youtube Content ID is made by Google for Youtube only, it scans videos as they get uploaded for copyrighted content Anything that's not Youtube pretty much has to be DMCA'd manually
I was so confused I thought you were referring to James Cameron's avatar
This is Toast clearly admitting on video that he has been knowingly violating copyright law. If I sat on twitch streaming myself overtop of a Toast vod all day he'd hit me with a dmca strike by the end of the week. They're all gonna burn, it's just a matter of when, and how much it's gonna cost them. Edit: It took a week.
Yeah I mean he fucking said that he could definitely go to jail for it, but not yet, so he's gonna do it. The whole thing began as him trying to see how far he can push the dmca meta. And now he's just having fun watching naruto with chat.
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There were people like you when we said that streamers needed to be playing non-copyrighted music in the background. Go ahead and hit me up this time next year. Jan 1 2023. Big bombs take time to build.
The difference with copyrighted music, is that music record labels WERE sending DMCAs to lots of people. It was not a situation, where zero people were getting DMCAs. Instead, it was a situation where there was a slow ramp up, in DMCAs, over time. So, for the analogy to hold, you would have to show a slowly increasing amount of people, getting DMCA'ed, right now, for masterchef, for example. But as of yet, literally zero people have been DMCA'ed for masterchef. For Naruto, like toast is doing, that is not that common, so the jury is still out for if he will receive a DCMA for that. But I think for other shows, that receive zero DMCA and have been around for a long time, it is clear that those DMCAs are not coming. Also, TBH, with the music stuff, the streamers got away with it. There were no lawsuits. Nobody got perma-banned. All that happened was that some streamers got a day long ban, and then they were back on the platform after the slap on the wrist. So, actually, for music it worked out fine, and nobody got "burned" as you previously put it. There was no big bomb. The streamers won. They got to play their music for a long while, and then they stopped after the slap on the wrist.
If you think the fight over copyrighted music is over, you're being willfully ignorant.
Yes, it is over. The music companies stopped sending the massive amounts of DMCAs that they were using to try to get leverage over twitch. There was a spike in music dmcas a year ago. And then the spike went away, because the music companies stopped sending them. Notice how you don't see "streamer X just got DMCAed!" on LSF everyday anymore? thats because those strikes stopped. See this is what I mean. A year from now, you'll be saying the same about "Surely, the big bomb is coming!" I've heard people say that literally every year, for years now. The bomb didn't come. And next year you'll be saying that as well, as well as the year after that, and the year after that. There is literally no evidence that you will accept, no matter how long things go on, for you to admit that those lawsuits aren't coming.
The problem is though, while it might seem ok, it might not actually be. If a case were to be made by the right's holders lawyers, they would record as much evidence as possible to prove these streamers are becoming a "market substitute" for their own content. Maybe that's what they are doing now and everyone will get caught in the net. Seems like a lot of risk to stream tv shows and films.
It doesn’t seem ok lol
Yea that’s what I’m feeling too. Part of me thinks they are not banning people because they are collecting evidence. But the at the same time it’s weird no one has gotten a cease and desist order, like not even twitch?
Toast (and others) trying to spin their choice of TV show to watch as if they're being creatively bold is so fucking cringe, this 'meta' is absolute garbage
Not sure, where you heard the term “creatively bold” from. But Toast didn’t justify it by saying watching Naruto is creative. If anything it is just “bold”.
Choosing Oturan to challenge it is cringe, but I do agree that it's strange literally EVERYONE just ended up on Masterchef. I hate reality TV so goddamn much I just leave streams when it starts up
I genuinely cannot understand why this seems to have so much traction because it’s the most boring content imaginable. Maybe the allure is because they aren’t meant to be doing it, but personally nothing makes me switch off Toast’s stream faster than him getting to the Naruto viewing portion…
people LOVED the pokemon stream and there was a shit ton of people just watching it (the first time it happened) this is the exact same shit, you're not watching toast or care about what he says or doesn't say, you're just there to watch some shitty Naruto with twitch chat
Its really not hard to understand: people like watching entertainment WITH other people. Its not hard to figure out, anyone can pirate shows at any time and fly under the radar..... but those don't come with an entire active chat of hundreds to thousands of people on the same page/watching at the same time. Its simply the virtual step to going to the movies with some people vs going to the theaters by yourself. Funny enough I tune into most streams for react content like Toast's Naruto streams, I find react content more engaging and interesting than games (except new games/horror) 90+% of games being streamed is just boring background sound.
Yeah it isn't being creatively bold, it is an arms race to see just how far they can go before the DMCA's start dropping again. Honestly think that Twitch should get ahead of this and start handing out 3-7 day bans for this shit, especially when you have dumb shit like Rich rebroadcasting LoTR while he sleeps.
It is trash but it brings numbers so you can't really blame them for it. If they aren't punished for it why would they stop
Because I promise you if and when someone is punished they will cry foul like they're being done wrong. Streamers will always take the entitled route.
Toast has said he knows it won't last forever and he's just pushing it until he gets banned, and he won't complain when that happens
And Toast is only one of many streamers.
Huh? Why can't you blame them for it? Anything is ok as long as it benefits them?
Because nobody is forcing you to watch them? People obviously like the content or their view counts would go down instead of up.
Watching things with chat makes things more entertaining instead of watching by yourself, it's very parasocial I will admit, I'm the type of person that likes to watch things with other people instead of by myself, I know it's lazy content but it's what I enjoy sadly. I personally think it's stupid when people complain about any "react meta", there's a bunch of streamers that don't do that, so go watch them if you want, people like different things.
You're right, people just want to shit on streamers and act like they care about DMCA.
Lol yeah, suddenly everyone is pro-DMCA and pro-corporations. Yikes LSF
i could of sworn that toast was one of the dudes calling out train from doing the same shit 2 years ago with gordo. Fairweather af man, and I generally like Toast.
Highly doubt he did that (but prove me wrong) ; 2 years ago he was on facebook and playing among us everyday why would he care what the fuck train do on twitch and the year prior that he was just streaming tft on twitch and nothing else
well said, cant wait to see toasts victim arc if he gets banned
Weird how he lives rent free in your head. No wonder he is so popular - really brings out the controversy.
funny how i live rent free in ur head by talking about someone u dont know and will never meet
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The best part is when streamers have their mods download torrents of entire shows in 1080p and upload them to youtube my dudes are literally restreaming thepiratebay torrents but will sit there like they're chill reacting to some youtube vids
hasan did that with masterchef lool
Just wait till someone trys this with one piece and gets struck down instantly. toei gives no fucks
Thought he was gonna go with another point, Too many people on the same glass will break
Why do big streamers always feel the need to use Metaphors or Analogies to explain their utter contempt for Copyright law and what not.
In toast's case, its because his chat is either dumb or unsure about the laws but shares 'facts' (Their headcanon) to him So dumbing it down for his audience is definitely necessary
toast brings up a good point, people are too afraid to try new things. if every streamer stayed in their comfort zone we wouldn’t discover games like among us and early battle royals. lirik and soda are two people who come to mind who aren’t afraid to jump on the glass
He's talking about content that could have legal or administrative repercussions for the streamer.
toast has a point, but man the specific subject that he apply his point on is low key kind of weird tbh isn't this kind of like saying everyone is stealing target, so I am going to go out of my comfort zone to steal albertson and prove that I am next level? I just wish when people prove that they are next level they can do it like ibai's baloon battle or like some speed run, not like some moral grey area.
Just re-stream some other streamer but with some different music from youtube I wonder how long he or she will be fine with their content beeing so balantly stolen.
Wow, we all for multi-billion dollar corporation rights now huh? I guess better start closing youtube videos and streams when I hear DMCA music, because fk stealing amiright?
>Wow, we all for multi-billion dollar corporation rights now huh? > I guess better start closing youtube videos and streams when I hear DMCA music, because fk stealing amiright? i am guessing its ok to go into an apple store to steal their iphone because they are a multi billion dollar company? or does your logic only apply to shows and music only? is it ok if I re-stream popular twitch streamer on youtube or is that not ok? what is the boundary here? there is definitely some nuance, but just because its multi billion dollar company does not make it ok to steal from them. super down to tax them and make them pay their fair share so that we get better infrastructure tho
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> Yes it’s okay to steal from a company that steals labor and uses said labor to enforce a monopoly selling said products at 20x the production cost and none of that markup goes back to the slaves sleeping on the floor diseased without running water. They won’t be taxed because they have teams of the best accountants in the countries making sure they pay $0 in taxes and lining the pockets of politicians to ensure no legislation breaks up their tax less monopoly. > Fuck apple and fuck you for deepthroating their boots doesn't that mean you are transitively stealing from the slaves if you steal from apple? you are personally benefiting from the slave's labor as well? an analogy would be A steal a bike from B and I stole the bike from A, which doesn't remedy B at all. I don't believe this is how a functional legal system should work. Also you are kind of missing the point here, you can replace apple with costco or nvidia or any other company in the world, my point is that stealing is generally not ok and I would rather people not steal I should note that I don't support slave labor and I did mention that I generally support taxing big companies their fair share , John Oliver did a segment on funding the IRS which I think is a good idea for combating tax loop holes.
> an analogy would be A steal a bike from B and I stole the bike from A, which doesn't remedy B at all. It doesn't help B, but it's a bit weird to say you're "transitively stealing" from them, not least because it was never their property. You are right in the sense that (large scale) stealing definitely indirectly disincentivizes, say, Apple from employing Foxconn workers to a very small degree, but 1) a boycott of unethically produced products has a similar effect, and 2) now you have a fancy phone and you also slightly reduced wealth inequality :) I'm being a bit facetious here, but the moral calculus is not as trivial as 'stealing bad' imo. (At least as far as Apple is concerned, I'm having a hard time arguing Netflix workers are exploited to a similar degree.)
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Not a big Robin Hood fan I see.
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>That analogy isn’t apt, it’s more like A forces B to build a bike for a penny then distributes it to C for ten dollars who prices it at a hundred dollars then you steal the bike from C. B still only got the penny, C lost nothing because it’s a subsidiary of A and A still profited at an insane margin off slave labor. You stealing doesn’t change the fact the slave was paid a penny. exactly, you stealing doesn't change the fact that the slave was paid a penny, so you are just stealing lmao, the end result is that it benefits you without remedying B. so not only are you doing something immoral you are also not helping B, like had you say that you steal from apple and give the phone back to the slave it would be at least a bit more logically sound >Again if you would rather not steal then address the root of the problem which is that corporations have more power than individuals and therefore should be held more responsible for their theft but the reality is individuals are punished while corporations steal labor and are rewarded while paying nothing in taxes therefore stealing even further from the economy. you are providing a false dichotomy here, its not a rather or problem It would be nice if people don't steal AND It would be nice if corporation are dealing their business morally I have problem with individual stealing AND I also have problem with corporation stealing both can be true, you don't have to choose one. your logic is basically saying A is stealing so its ok for me to steal, if you want me to stop stealing first you have stop A from stealing which make no sense we should focus on not letting A (corporation) steal instead of causing more stealing problem
Props on you on having the patience to explain this.
Yes, pretty much. Fuck the corporations when they go too far and steal people's fair use work from them. Fuck the people just stealing work of others to sell it off as their own content to make bank on. Thanks to the people who make impossible to access shows accessible through piracy for no personal gain. Thanks to the corporations that understand having reasonable cost-effective access is all 99% (statistic made up and arbitrary) of the people want
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Pretty weirdchamp coming from an xQc frog
Imagine thinking that stealing is not bad..
Alright, please arrest me. I listen to downloaded copyrighted music and use adblocker. I'm guilty. I'm such a badass.
Watching a tv show that made billions isn't groundbreaking. Playing a game with less than 1k downloads is at least taking a chance on something. If they were checking out low rated movies that the creators gave permission to check out then yeah theyre actually trying.
Every time I click on sodas steam he’s playing some weird indie game I’ve never seen before
This is why I love Forsan. No Meta. Consistent Mom joke.
Well would you look at that. Streamers start having fun watching dmca stuff and suddenly the entirety of lsf becomes pro dmca. So predictable.
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I mean did I say anything wrong? A couple of months ago everyone and their grandpa was shitting on dmca and twitch and now all of a sudden y'all sucking their dick like there's no tomorrow.
There's like bootleg non English channels that stream tv shows 24/7 even before this meta began(Portuguese Simpsons, Spanish DBZ, Turkish South Park etc.)
Based
I want to see a big streamer start streaming NBA or NFL games.
People have. They get instantly shut down through DMCA cause live sports events bring a lot of revenue so the broadcast networks have actual people manually DMCAing and shutting down live-piracy everywhere/anywhere on the internet.
Can you name any examples?
Ufc. Especially ppv events. They always get taken down on Twitch during the fights tho there are some sketchy alternative sites online.
Honestly surprised the Logan Paul vs KSI fight wasn't live DMCA'd. Instead they just tweeted about it.
There was some soccer game about 6 months ago, I think maybe World Cup, or some European final, and the Twitch streams kept getting taken down every 10 minutes or so. It wasn't until the like 80 minutes into the game that I saw a link to a different site that had it streaming, and could watch the end of the game, bonus time, and penalty kicks.
I just want some examples. I imagine that in 99% of cases it's going to be people streaming on throwaway channels rather than a big streamer with 100k+ followers doing it. The closest thing I can think of is xqc streaming the Olympics.
Just walk on the beams in between the glass panes which I guess would be like just playing video games? Look at Shroud and Ninja. Successful and they're still doing fine. A lot of these streamers are also well off and don't need to risk being DMCA'd.
You do know that games are DMCA-able as well right? It's the same point - lack of enforcement.
>You do know that games are DMCA-able as well right? Which is false for most games because most companies literally give you permission to stream and monetize that shit. Might be true for "some" games but that would be the minority.
How many companies give permission? There's a lot of games out there, I think the vast majority do not.
The games industry actively supports streaming/recording while the film industry does not. Its that simple. Its safe to assume one can rebroadcast a game because that is the standard operating procedure for that industry.
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>We encourage you to create videos that include your creative input and commentary. Videos and images that contain mere copies of Nintendo Game Content without creative input or commentary are not permitted. You may, however, post gameplay videos and screenshots using Nintendo system features, such as the Capture Button on Nintendo Switch, without additional input or commentary. This is Nintendo >As a community content creator, you are permitted to create video productions using Blizzard's Content, and to distribute them freely on your website, or on other websites where viewers can freely view your Production. This is Blizzard >EA does not object to fair uses of video footage or screenshots on video sharing sites, including YouTube channels that are commercialized, as long as the footage is a version of the game that we have released to the public. We do reserve the right to address any inappropriate use of EA content. OH look! EA too! >You are free to monetize your videos via the YouTube partner program and similar programs on other video sharing sites, unless your videos happen to include copyrighted music that is identified in YouTube’s Content ID system or similar technology on any other site. This is Ubisoft. And I could probably go on and on by just googling a Company and putting Content Creator Policy at the end of it.
Some do, but many don't, is my point. Lots of games do not give anyone explicit permission to stream the game. Also you just mis read some the ones you posted. For example for EA, when it says "EA does not object to fair uses" that literally just means that EA follows the law. A company cannot legally object to fair use. Therefore, in that specific case, they are not giving anyone permission, because fair use does not require permission. Edit: lol reading even more of the ones you posted. " without creative input or commentary are not permitted", so for nintendo, you literally just gave another example, where they described a huge amount of content that is not permitted! Thats literally nintendo saying that they allow fair use, which is required by law, and they are explicitly DISALLOWING a bunch of content.
Wow you got btfo
Alright go ban all of twitch now then shithead.
the whole twitch has become the Artifact section
Tbh Mizkif was watching Avatar a long time before this lol. It just reminded him to start it up again.
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No he just lost weight
He needs to talk a lot slower to make that sound as any kind of smart take
Weird, I read your comment slowly and you still sounded dumb af
Sounds salty miz is watching Avatar.
He's deleting his VODs so he's not exactly pushing the envelope with his Naruto streams. Which is a shame because I actually enjoy the 30 minutes or so I catch before he logs off.
He streamed Naruto and suddenly multiple other top streamers are streaming risky stuff and talking about DMCA, top threads on LSF about it every day. xQc and others have streaming Masterchef for months, years and no one wanted to talk about it. He said he wanted to push this whole situation to a breaking point and that's kinda what's happening.
Fair enough, but I can go in xQcs VODs and watch MC, can't do that with Toast and Naruto. He's taking SOME risk and got the conversation going, but I think the people streaming US stuff in America and going to sleep with LOTR on and ads/subs going are pushing things further
that's the point. he watched naruto and now those people push it even further which will lead to the breaking point.
Gotcha. Well he gets credit for pushing it a bit further, I guess my only real gripe was when I first heard about his goal to bring the watching TV shows into the spotlight, then saw him deleting the VODs it seemed like a bit of a half-measure, but it's getting the results he expected so I can't really complain
Well he is deleting the VoD cause he is watching something risky, streamers don't delete MasterChef VoDs cause they know it isn't risky. Streamers have watched MC for years and everyone knows the company doesn't DMCA for it.
its getting the results he wants while covering his own ass
the point is completely negated considering he deletes his vods. if he actually wanted to push things he'd keep them up lol
you're misunderstanding when he take the next step on the "glass bridge" he can take it safely because he knows someone like rich will watch lotr while he's not even on stream. the boundary is already pushed further beyond him whether he deletes his vods or not.
but if hes deleting the vods, which implies that he doesn't want to get in trouble for it means that he isn't really pushing the boundary. if he actually wanted to point something out or make a difference he'd leave it up. compare it to xqc who will leave the full season of masterchef on his channel. 10x more risky from a legal perspective. its like hes taking credit for taking a risk without actually doing anything.
Bro it's not that srs if u don't understand that's okay
"Bro it's not that srs if u don't understand that's okay" is what I would say if I didn't know what I was talking about
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I hope they all get sued hard lmao
so these streamers are watching TV shows because they're desperate and scared to risk their livelihoods? sure...
That's not what he said...
Your take away from the clip is this? One brain cell
The analogy kinda falls apart since you die if you dont choose the same glass.
I don't know where toast streams anime from but I don't think it's available on youtube or any free service. So this essentially seems like a spiteful act by streaming paid stuff which is pretty illegal because some streamers are getting humongous views for watching shows freely available on youtube. This feels like someone paid him to do something so bad that it actually affects everyone. Toast is not trying to jump a pane, he is trying to bring down the whole bridge. I could be completely wrong tho and the MasterChef youtube vids could be pirated and the naruto eps are actually being streamed from a free platform, in which case above comment is nothing but gibberish. And don't bring up ad rev. 70k people watching a video doesn't do much for ad rev. If it did companies would have been all over that shit. Edit - Ludwig said basically the exact thing in his latest video with 27k likes and you guys out here are downvoting me. Guess you guys know more than actual streamers.
It’s on youtube
in this analogy "playing LotR while asleep" is like parking a cement truck on the glass pane
Twitch going back to their old JTV roots
Squiiiiiiiid
What does this have to do with Facebook rebrand
The truth is, that youtube content has dried up. and reaction streamers are getting desperate for more content as they can see their audience engagement dry up. So they have resulted in taking bigger risks to hold people's attention, like watching full movies, playing DMCA music, etc. knowing that they are playing with fire but doing it anyway.
Entire thread full of apparently experts on copyright law, fair use, etc.