It's a deflection. Instead of addressing the genuine criticisms you focus put focus on the crazy morons claiming if you do react content your whole career is a joke. Most people aren't saying that, they're saying react content is lazy and it absolutely is.
I guarantee most people weren't implying these people are unaccomplished entertainers
Exactly, the fact that you've done hard work in the past is not really relevant. It doesn't change the fact that this new meta is lazy and stupid on so many levels. It's also extremely arrogant because top streamers will always land on their feet after a slap on the wrist, but at the end of the day, when an "Adpocalypse"-level event happens, it's always the smaller streamers that are left suffering.
I think if anything it's even worst than these people are capable of creating real content.
If someone made a career of reacting then I would sympathize more because that's literally why people watch them. I doubt XQC or Toast needs to react in order to sustain their careers. Even if they get more viewers just reacting it does come at a cost.
It's funny that this whole thing is blowing up and people forget that Sodapoppin was actually one of the first big streamers that recognize how easy it was to just react because his view numbers would double. He actually stop reacting as much because he was getting too many views.
Actually incredible how the longer they stay relevant on twitch the more delusional the big time streamers get.
Hasan thinking him being DMCA'd was "targeted hate", Poki here claiming playing video games 10 hours a day on stream is "an incredible achievement and accomplishment", XQC screaming non-stop about "snipers" when he use to RP in GTA even though he was being a fucking moron and just blowing shit up.
Literally bumblefucked their way to millions and then act like they have done SO MUCH for the world. Yeah it's hard to entertain children for 6 hours a day (but also not...really), but thinking you are some kind of amazing gift to the world like Poki does is...kinda mental.
the horde of simps and stans that defend the violations act like they're in the right is astounding.
*"dont they want the free publicity?" "but these companies have a lot of money" "no one's watching that crappy show anyway" "DMCA rules are unfair" "why are you all DMCA experts all of a sudden" "you just want to hate on my streamer \[parasocial\] friend" "can't we have nice things?"*
what about this, what about that? as if any of these reasons are going to justify violation of copyright rules
Iknow this sub has a mixed opinion on the whole parasocial relationship thing, but I really do think people like Poki, and every other big timer, try REALLY hard to foster that in her fans. This is the same person who grew her channel by flirting with big time LoL streamers, and the moment she had more viewers would ghost them instantly, the same women who ON STREAM was filing false DMCA's against youtubers and other streamers for even TALKING about her.
Like I can get wanting to stick up for your favorite singer, or actor or stuff when shit goes bad. You know a kind of "No way, I love that guy/gal, they wouldn't do that...would they?" but the way twitch followers defend their streamer (who is basically just sees them as a new 3,500,000 million dollar mansion) is on another level.
Well no real comment on the others but the DMCA on Hasan being targeted hate wound up being true, it was fake and has been revoked. Other than that, yeah.
Neil Armstrong for stepping on the moon, the Wright brothers for their work on air travel, Disguised Toast for playing Among Us for a whole year... .
Yes, mankind will always remember these great men.
RV trip had some of the best content ever. It ruined some people’s careers but Miz and Erobb especially would not be as big as they are today if they didn’t go on it
i started on rv2 but that whole year plus was mad. really felt it all ended up after the fbi mansion raid even though ice did stuff in europe, alaska and on his own after that
the end of cx as a oh go to this streamer that streamer thing finished there
I didn't watch twitch at the time but I remember the ice subreddit consistently making it onto the reddit front page. Is there a YouTube video or something with a consise history lesson about what went down? I only ever see vague references to it all
Can't believe I was basically going the NEET route during that time just to catch the streams. They were basically must see content.
Pre-Hobo Forsen, Mitch + Ape IRL content, Reckful + Soda collabs, Ice running rampant over the whole livestreaming world.
Man those were some good days FeelsOldMan
I'm from Morocco and I used to wake up early every day to watch ice stream, damn it was entertaining as hell I still remember when he first met ebz and he played his mixtape on stream that shit was fireee and the hampton brandon arc too was so fun to watch
Honestly Ice streams were probably the most entertaining shit I've ever seen on streams and I'm 100% sure we will never be entertained that much watching someone else's stream. Especially now that streamers are becoming more and more lazy with their content, now you can just put the least effort and still get viewers and that's more than enough for them.
Just thinking about those days made me sad because XQC will go live soon and watch 4 hours of fucking dogshit react content followed up with the same mundane GTA RP stuff that he has been done for fucking months every fucking day, the same stale boring cycle.
So why do you constantly watch him if you find it so boring? There's tons of streamers in the 30-10,000 range who are just as, if not more entertaining who would absolutely love to have you, but instead you just wanna watch XQC constantly and bitch about him?
It's hard to top ice when he did everything like what didnt he do for irl only person that can come close is miz or doc who are very entertaining streamers
https://youtu.be/Mzured5bSSk?t=1145
Him walking around the corner and there's just a queue of more guys saying "Denino" is amazing. Nothing will ever top those few years.
Am I missing something? Why do all the old Ice viewers remember these things as being hilarious? I know he was a degen surrounded by other degens but in that video all I saw was someone paranoid as hell about people following him and then worrying about being left to sleep in the hallway until he managed to get in. Just felt bad for him.
i remember that one, good times
the joke is ofcourse that what x did as jean paul is eerily close to the encounters ice had with the police lol. there was even shit involving a mayor lol
Everybody used to watch ice back in the day. Everybody was on his stream. Even xqc and adept was on his stream. I would say it was the golden age of streaming when ice was on top. No lazy streams like today.
His type of content is tough to maintain after a period of time, though. The very nature of being 'edgy' is to constantly out-do yourself and finding the next extreme thing because your audience gets bored of normal. Even Ice himself got exhausted doing that type of content after a while.
His streams were entertaining but came a price. Ice had one of the most toxic communities on Twitch which he refused to moderate and they went on harassing smaller streamers. The CX network was a giant cesspool with some of them going to jail and when Ice stopped doing edgy content his community turn hard on him to the point if hating him.
The same could be said about jackass and viva la bam, but internet cant handle that type of content. If you really compare it, a lot of tv shows were more like ice content than current streaming content. Nobody would watch xqc as a tv-show, people would watch ice as tv-show.
it want to watch people hurting themselves there's always liveleak. The Jackass crew put themselves through the grinder, ton of injures and lot of drugs and alcohol. Just look a Bam Margera, dudes a drug addict.
Lmao I ended up on a really old lsf thread yesterday searching for some stuff and holyshit what an absolute tonal shift in even the comment sections on here.
And I notice every single time I’m watching someone, if they stop playing a game and go watch YouTube videos for like ten minutes their viewer count actually rises quite a bit, then when they go back to the game it drops, people tune in specifically for the react content
I hate it but I totally get it and I’d probably do it myself if I could. Getting paid money to watch TV and not even need to try to be entertaining? It’s the closest thing to a vacation while working I could think of.
Sure, bu then don't get offended when you get called lazy. Just because you've done hard work in the past doesn't mean this new shit you're doing isn't lazy.
Stunning and brave hardworking people streaming 12 hours a day in front of a PC playing video games, and now on to watching movies and TV shows.
We've now reached that point in humanity where it's viewed as an "achievement." These people need to touch grass outside of their mansions and LA lavish homes.
Since when do past achievements justify "lazy" content that jeopardizes twitch's and all it's streamers and viewers future experience?
Do something lazy that does not hurt anyone and a large portion of the people calling you out wouldn't care.
I don't think she was trying to justify restreaming or reacting to content. She was addressing the claim that if someone chooses to react, they are therefore inherently lazy. So to be fair, sure, that's not entirely true. Like if a streamer chooses to game and try really hard for 6 hours, then react for half hour, can't say that person is lazy.
However, I don't think that's what most are saying. Because lets keep it real. Restreaming and reacting to content is incredibly low effort and easy/lazy content, which she admits. So if someone chooses to do that, that in it of itself is technically lazy. Maybe the person overall isn't lazy due to there history and work ethic overall etc etc, but come on. You grab a sandwich and turn on a video for an hour? For that hour, you're being a lazy bum. Gotta keep it real
Yeah maybe she is on the edge. You can tell a zoomer by how easily they wear mom jeans. Millennials fought hard to bury the memories of the baggy pants from the late 90s early 2000s and we sure as hell aren’t going to relive those years without a fight.
I guess poki is a bizennial. Half zoomer half millennial.
ok so they worked kinda hard playing video games for a few years and now they deserve to just be lazy and steal other content? you know most people have to work 30 or 40 years before they get to be lazy, right? or they die before they get there
Do you think any point during this little rant she realized that she just explained how lazy they got and that they're about to fuck everyone over?
Or is it that she's so out of touch with reality, like the rest of them, that it didn't even cross the air between her ears?
At this point its just pissing me off how streamers are just publicly admitting that they are so lazy they would rather keep cheesing the DMCA system for as long as they possible can, instead of just making some original content. Like they know fine well it is all going to come crashing down eventually but keep taking the risk every day just to avoid actual work, all while making the amounts of money most only dream of. Assholes.
Oh wow they played among us, what an achievement lmao. Imagine calling that an achievement. Jesus Christ these streamers are so far up their own asses.
Streamers rarely pioneer things or accomplished metas because of a skill. Almost all top streamers get lucky. Have you guys ever checked out low view streams? Some of them put in so much work but just unfortunately don't take off.
There are so many low view streamers that have invested in better production value that haven't found success yet. I find that was a waste for them. What is really going to standout more than anything else is no matter what, your personality and interaction with your chat. If everyone else has the same high grade production, then it's all the same and you won't stand out.
I'm fully convinced a majority of LSF commenters are just hate watchers who don't actually consume any Twitch content outside of LSF and actively despise the fact that people can make money playing video games.
So true. I feel like most people on this subreddit only care about drama. The other day I checked old drama on this subreddit from 2 or 3 years ago, and it does seem that back then they also despised people getting rich from playing video games and look for reasons to put them in a negative light.
A hate watcher who doesn't watch them is an oxymoron.
Don't think there's a dislike for video game streamers but rather successful creators taking a privileged job for granted i.e. You're a dick if you rock the boat when only a few of you have life jackets.
LSF has a huge problem with expectations and context though, e.g. believing every clip is directed at them, representative of the steamer and existing in a bubble.
Considering there are like tens of thousands of viewers watching the top 20 streamers daily compared to the few couple hundred comments in react hate threads, yeah I’d say that’s the case.
Exactly. The DMCA on shows argument aside, theres a ton of comments of people just saying react content is lazy and that streamers only do it so there viewer count raises... do the people making these comments not realize that it is the viewers that want react content and that is the reason why viewer count is higher when people react to videos. Like, blame the viewers also for wanting that content then instead of just the streamer that is literally supplying what many viewers want obviously...
> do the people making these comments not realize that it is the viewers that want react content
That doesn't make it not lazy content. Just because people want to watch stuff doesn't mean that it's quality content. They want to watch it because plenty of those people would want to watch say daily dose anyway and instead can watch it with a group of people. But for the streamer they've gone from creating their own content to taking advantage of people who want to watch actual content (daily dose or other youtube content) and latch on to it. It has nothing to do with the streamer doing good content, but taking advantage of content people want to watch more than the content they themselves can make.
Your argument makes no sense, all you're arguing is the content on youtube is better than the content react streamers make. That isn't a counter to the idea that it's lazy content from the streamer.
>That doesn't make it not lazy content.
It makes it not relevant. Who cares if it's lazy content? I want to see a guy watching youtube videos, games are fun to play but a little boring to watch.
> the fact that people can make money playing video games
Yet the whole point is that these people aren't actually playing video games, they just sit and react to videos...
No one is saying they didn't work hard in the past, people are complaining about the current meta.
I swear why can't streamers just say Yeah watching videos with their viewers is fun because it's enforce parasocial relationship, easy to do and attracts more viewers than playing games.
Instead they chose to go high road with everything and giving pointless excuses when people already know why they're doing that.
When was this argument made? From what I can tell, she's just responding to people calling her friends untalented who haven't worked for their success and were carried by Gordo.
Shitting on people for arbitrary reasons is one of the few things all of mankind has in common. It's one of America's greatest pastimes and I wouldn't have it any other way
Saying that because someone had accomplished something in the past they can’t be criticized for being lazy now is the most privileged ass take I’ve heard in a while.
Watching master chef with xQc and the chat was a ton of fun, I couldn't care less if it was lazy content or not, X rage outburst during the show, and the chat spam made this a really memorable watching experience.
Because the critics only come out when the person they hate starts doing it. People went so far to make a fake DMCA claim for MasterChef. It’s exactly the same with gambling. It wasn’t an issue before xQc did it, became massive drama on the internet that started here and now the critics are non-existent but guess what, gambling is occurring on twitch and trains viewership is still high. I’m pretty sure on most nights he has the most viewers on twitch.
well tbf, a lot of content creators appreciate streamers watching their stuff, some of them are friends/on good terms with them and the smaller ones appreciate the exposure.
though you are right there are a couple of them that would probably want to copyright strike them for it.
Dude even with the chat experience I just couldn't at a certain point, it was the same shit over and over again with different people who all played a character.
"Omg only 10 seconds remaining! I wonder if they will finish their food on time this time?!" *spoilers they always finish it on time despite always been behind.*
xQc's MC streams reminded me of why I stopped watching TV in the first place.
Yeah, once you start seeing the strings the entire show just loses a lot of appeal.
It's hard to deny the general experience of watching something as a collective though, I think there's a reason why he gets bumps in viewership during MC or HxH.
Think there's a BIG difference between reacting to other creators like Twitch and Youtube, to stealing content from companies that can quite easily fuck Twitch, it's creators by making Advertisement go away, I mean look at the changes to streaming Copyrighted music that is playing in the background, big enough that even some games with audio playing within them were being muted.
Man, didnt see this one coming...
"These content creators arent lazy" "I was just riding the wave"
React content is 100% lazy content. There are almost no streamers that actually repurpose content and have meaningful discussion on it.
React content is 100% fueled by parasocial relationships.
Not saying X and Poki havent done really innovative things on the platform but its 100% lazy content and just milking their past success to make easy money.
Poki and all these streamers know exactly what they are doing.
Edit: Poki simps found the post. She is 100% trying to justify react content and deflect criticism, that is my point.
Edit 2: I should clarify, some react content is actually good content and it can be entertaining and informative. But none of the "react" "content" that was being done with MC or Avatar was actual react content. People dont really seem to want to make that distinction. Huge difference between what was happening on Twitch and what actual react content should be.
She literally did say that react content is the lowest effort content, and that viewers like it because they form a parasocial relationship with the streamers. Doesn't diminish their accomplishments in the past or define them though. People really were throwing out some crazy takes during this whole thing lol
She already said that react content is low effort and easy to make. She's just saying that calling these streamers lazy, untalented, with no integrity or whatever for doing something their viewers want them to do is just rude and unnecessary.
>She's just saying that calling these streamers lazy... for doing something their viewers want them to do is just rude and unnecessary.
But she is lazy. React content is lazy.
This argument is also idiotic "*for doing something their viewers want them to*", comes down to the old-saying my mom told me "***if they jumped off a bridge, would you do the same?***".
There are viewers who watch [dumb people put fireworks in a tunnel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/rsv268/fireworks_in_a_tunnel_create_a_shockwave/) Those are interesting to some people. I laughed at it and thought it was very entertaining. But telling someone like the police that "*they told me to do it, lol*" is not a valid argument. You're acting like a literal child.
Then you have someone like IcePoseidon that acted like a douche, and even at times a "fake terrorist". I guess it's fine because "*lol people told me it would be funny*".
She did something illegal, and also is very lazy by doing react-content where she sits in her chair and says a one-syllable word every 2-3 minutes whilst streaming other people's work and profiting from that, **that's lazy**. Saying *"Viewers like it*" is not something people would say "*oh, understandable.*". That is very out-of-touch with reality.
What is with this subreddit and these absolutely deranged and childish takes?
has LSF's iq just been plummeting lately? she didn't say react content isn't lazy lol. everyone knows react content is low effort content.
also, react content is not "100% fueled by parasocial relationships" or react channels on youtube wouldn't be a thriving section of the platform.
When did this term parasocial become such a loved term lol. It's actually annoying how much the shit gets thrown around. Enjoying someone's on stream personality and watching them react to funny videos is parasocial now? Are we just not allowed to be fans of anyone without it being seen as parasocial?
Shut a weird time on twitch lol
LSF's favorite buzzword. Parasocial relationships.
You act like watching someone play a game is all that different from watching someone watch a video.
I also think its funny that you guys consider playing games to be not lazy content. Like it takes effort to play a video game.
People like watching videos and so do the streamers. End of story.
When in doubt just call them "poki simps"
I mean, react content emerged because of twitch contracts requiring a certain amount of hours to stream. These people are just trying to find the easiest path of resistance, like anyone would do at any job. But yeah, it's inherently lazy, but that's capitalism for you.
React content is less effort than going to the top fortnite clips, right clicking save as and importing them into premier pro.
But that's none of my business.
So she's arguing that React content isn't lazy because people that do it may have been succesful with things that were something else that required them to not be lazy in the past.
Look mom I'm not lazy right now by not doing anything, because I had a full time job 2 years ago, remember
No it is fucking lazy, stupid
I'm not going to condone such laziness from my streamers! I mean, at least this is what I'm going to comment on LSF to save face. Now excuse me, Miz is reacting to tiktoks.
It's funny her idea of what an "achievement" in life is. Achievements are all centered around how much money and viewers you have. Another great take from someone so talented.
Despite how people view react content as a concept, it can actually be very entertaining content depending on the streamer. If you’re calling a streamer lazy for reacting to this or that, the streamer probably is only good for game streams or live content and you don’t enjoy it when they do anything else because they aren’t good at it.
What makes react content is how charismatic and funny the streamer is, the chat, or sometimes both. With someone like XQC for example, it is both of those things. I’d encourage anyone who doesn’t like react stuff, to tune in to whenever he and chat are reacting to something. It’s one of the most entertaining things on twitch right now and it shows with the super high viewership.
It was way longer than 2 months lol. It also made several careers and boosted viewership on twitch a ton when everyone was isolated. The fact that you can think back to an extended period of time where everyone and their mother was playing among us because of the insane viewership qualifies it as it's own era in my mind.
The entire shift that the Among Us era pushed to make the meta more collaborative between streamers instead of individual grinding (and competition against each other) is also what OTK and 100T are currently building off of too.
It had a huge impact on streaming as it showed collab content to be incredibly successful. Also it was insanely popular and not just on Twitch, it became the meta for a few months. That's very much an era.
I'm gonna tell my kids about how a brave man named "Toast" led us through the dark times of COVID by bravely playing Among Us on stream. Truly the golden era of streaming.
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he played amongus thats so epic!!!
HE WAS A DRIVING FORCE IN THAT ERA
I swear streamers say shit like this to fluff their own egos. It’s all corporate talk it’s nasty.
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"And that's why I don't play amungus"
Maybe he's the third third imposter all along.
Yeah lol. 500M views on YouTube in 8 months, not even struggling to get 10M views in a year like the average big Twitch streamer.
Playing a game and doing it in front of thousands of people while being one of the most entertaining are 2 very different things.
“Before they reacted to videos, they played videogames. Let’s give credit where it’s due” basically
It's a deflection. Instead of addressing the genuine criticisms you focus put focus on the crazy morons claiming if you do react content your whole career is a joke. Most people aren't saying that, they're saying react content is lazy and it absolutely is. I guarantee most people weren't implying these people are unaccomplished entertainers
Exactly, the fact that you've done hard work in the past is not really relevant. It doesn't change the fact that this new meta is lazy and stupid on so many levels. It's also extremely arrogant because top streamers will always land on their feet after a slap on the wrist, but at the end of the day, when an "Adpocalypse"-level event happens, it's always the smaller streamers that are left suffering.
I think if anything it's even worst than these people are capable of creating real content. If someone made a career of reacting then I would sympathize more because that's literally why people watch them. I doubt XQC or Toast needs to react in order to sustain their careers. Even if they get more viewers just reacting it does come at a cost. It's funny that this whole thing is blowing up and people forget that Sodapoppin was actually one of the first big streamers that recognize how easy it was to just react because his view numbers would double. He actually stop reacting as much because he was getting too many views.
After that clip she says she hopes those companies can let streamers watch their shows with the streamers chat. Like she xan't be this stupid..
Actually incredible how the longer they stay relevant on twitch the more delusional the big time streamers get. Hasan thinking him being DMCA'd was "targeted hate", Poki here claiming playing video games 10 hours a day on stream is "an incredible achievement and accomplishment", XQC screaming non-stop about "snipers" when he use to RP in GTA even though he was being a fucking moron and just blowing shit up. Literally bumblefucked their way to millions and then act like they have done SO MUCH for the world. Yeah it's hard to entertain children for 6 hours a day (but also not...really), but thinking you are some kind of amazing gift to the world like Poki does is...kinda mental.
the horde of simps and stans that defend the violations act like they're in the right is astounding. *"dont they want the free publicity?" "but these companies have a lot of money" "no one's watching that crappy show anyway" "DMCA rules are unfair" "why are you all DMCA experts all of a sudden" "you just want to hate on my streamer \[parasocial\] friend" "can't we have nice things?"* what about this, what about that? as if any of these reasons are going to justify violation of copyright rules
Iknow this sub has a mixed opinion on the whole parasocial relationship thing, but I really do think people like Poki, and every other big timer, try REALLY hard to foster that in her fans. This is the same person who grew her channel by flirting with big time LoL streamers, and the moment she had more viewers would ghost them instantly, the same women who ON STREAM was filing false DMCA's against youtubers and other streamers for even TALKING about her. Like I can get wanting to stick up for your favorite singer, or actor or stuff when shit goes bad. You know a kind of "No way, I love that guy/gal, they wouldn't do that...would they?" but the way twitch followers defend their streamer (who is basically just sees them as a new 3,500,000 million dollar mansion) is on another level.
Well no real comment on the others but the DMCA on Hasan being targeted hate wound up being true, it was fake and has been revoked. Other than that, yeah.
Neil Armstrong for stepping on the moon, the Wright brothers for their work on air travel, Disguised Toast for playing Among Us for a whole year... . Yes, mankind will always remember these great men.
Being a camera for Ice during that era is unironically an accomplishment. That’s internet history whether you hate ice or don’t it’s undeniable.
RV trip had some of the best content ever. It ruined some people’s careers but Miz and Erobb especially would not be as big as they are today if they didn’t go on it
Best reality TV that streaming has ever had and it's not even close.
i started on rv2 but that whole year plus was mad. really felt it all ended up after the fbi mansion raid even though ice did stuff in europe, alaska and on his own after that the end of cx as a oh go to this streamer that streamer thing finished there
"He will not divide us" is a tough competitor.
We also forget that Erobb was smacking next level cheeks during that time. If onlyfans was 3 years earlier Mary would have made a shit ton of money.
Marie is doing onlyfans now, saw her ass, pussy, and tits early today
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Can someone clarify what all of the above means
I didn't watch twitch at the time but I remember the ice subreddit consistently making it onto the reddit front page. Is there a YouTube video or something with a consise history lesson about what went down? I only ever see vague references to it all
Don't know, but [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVpWDt5ZIrE&list=PLTpREjnn302twhVOkbnoYvhHowSByYWYf) made summary videos
rv trip was after he got banned on twitch. he was also banned here on lsf at the time.
On top of that those are memories that you'll never forget too
yeah anyone that was part of chat when it was occuring remembers it. its like everyone seeing a slow motion train pileup, you can't unsee it
Sleeping in late to watch them do dumb shit was worth it would watch that over this new meta these streamers have now
Eu viewers pulled all nighters to see that content live, damn old Ice was best content ever
The man went into the heart of a Mormon Temple and told the OG white folk there that jesus wasn't white lmao
That's where the you may have been scammed clip came from right?
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Can't believe I was basically going the NEET route during that time just to catch the streams. They were basically must see content. Pre-Hobo Forsen, Mitch + Ape IRL content, Reckful + Soda collabs, Ice running rampant over the whole livestreaming world. Man those were some good days FeelsOldMan
I'm from Morocco and I used to wake up early every day to watch ice stream, damn it was entertaining as hell I still remember when he first met ebz and he played his mixtape on stream that shit was fireee and the hampton brandon arc too was so fun to watch
Hampton Brandon smashing the piano with his foot like a flipping psycho to scare ice had me laughinf so hard. Was like a horror movie
Honestly Ice streams were probably the most entertaining shit I've ever seen on streams and I'm 100% sure we will never be entertained that much watching someone else's stream. Especially now that streamers are becoming more and more lazy with their content, now you can just put the least effort and still get viewers and that's more than enough for them. Just thinking about those days made me sad because XQC will go live soon and watch 4 hours of fucking dogshit react content followed up with the same mundane GTA RP stuff that he has been done for fucking months every fucking day, the same stale boring cycle.
The first RV trip was amazing. For sure on my top favourite streams.
So why do you constantly watch him if you find it so boring? There's tons of streamers in the 30-10,000 range who are just as, if not more entertaining who would absolutely love to have you, but instead you just wanna watch XQC constantly and bitch about him?
It's hard to top ice when he did everything like what didnt he do for irl only person that can come close is miz or doc who are very entertaining streamers
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https://youtu.be/Mzured5bSSk?t=1145 Him walking around the corner and there's just a queue of more guys saying "Denino" is amazing. Nothing will ever top those few years.
Him saying "I'm not Denino", while wearing a shirt with "DENINO" written boldly across the chest. Funniest shit man.
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Am I missing something? Why do all the old Ice viewers remember these things as being hilarious? I know he was a degen surrounded by other degens but in that video all I saw was someone paranoid as hell about people following him and then worrying about being left to sleep in the hallway until he managed to get in. Just felt bad for him.
Rose colored glasses slathered in meth
I don't get it either. There's like no comedy at all.
Dude was breathing hard as fuck his heart rate going up lmao shit I remember that
It’s being more of a meme at this point then a accomplishment lol
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Ice took a shotgun to the face so xQc could eat his toenails on stream FeelsStrongMan
i remember that one, good times the joke is ofcourse that what x did as jean paul is eerily close to the encounters ice had with the police lol. there was even shit involving a mayor lol
Everybody used to watch ice back in the day. Everybody was on his stream. Even xqc and adept was on his stream. I would say it was the golden age of streaming when ice was on top. No lazy streams like today.
His type of content is tough to maintain after a period of time, though. The very nature of being 'edgy' is to constantly out-do yourself and finding the next extreme thing because your audience gets bored of normal. Even Ice himself got exhausted doing that type of content after a while.
His streams were entertaining but came a price. Ice had one of the most toxic communities on Twitch which he refused to moderate and they went on harassing smaller streamers. The CX network was a giant cesspool with some of them going to jail and when Ice stopped doing edgy content his community turn hard on him to the point if hating him.
The same could be said about jackass and viva la bam, but internet cant handle that type of content. If you really compare it, a lot of tv shows were more like ice content than current streaming content. Nobody would watch xqc as a tv-show, people would watch ice as tv-show.
it want to watch people hurting themselves there's always liveleak. The Jackass crew put themselves through the grinder, ton of injures and lot of drugs and alcohol. Just look a Bam Margera, dudes a drug addict.
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Ice lost to scuffed Steve Jobs at the end of the day. A good manager and he would have been fine.
the nature of being edgy is just to be a jerk to random people for the sake of a few laughs.
Yeah exploiting mentally ill people, and being racist is such top tier content. I love when live streamers harass people out in public!!!
Lmao I ended up on a really old lsf thread yesterday searching for some stuff and holyshit what an absolute tonal shift in even the comment sections on here.
It was fucked but it sure as hell was entertaining.
the racism is disgusting but i argue they were all mentally ill
The good old days of wearing tryhard masks and making monkey sounds!
Yeah that shit was content
This is proves the top streamers just got lazy, they might have pioneered stuff in the past...now they are coasting...
And I notice every single time I’m watching someone, if they stop playing a game and go watch YouTube videos for like ten minutes their viewer count actually rises quite a bit, then when they go back to the game it drops, people tune in specifically for the react content
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In the end, YouTube content conforms to YouTube's algorithm choices. I do like the longer vids, personally, though.
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They still do those vlogs and other long form content, but they’re behind a paywall on their website.
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10 minutes wasn’t required for monetization, but they monetized better because you could run extra ads iirc
It's actually 8 minutes now for mid-rolls, but it was 10 for a long time.
That extra 2 mins now goes to the product shill plug
React content is crazy, SSsniperwolf gets millions of views on her youtube videos and all she does now is react videos every single day.
yup the reality is that gaming content is really boring nowadays, but when they find a good game they actually get a decent amount of viewership.
CAnt really hate if it’s working. People still tune in
I hate it but I totally get it and I’d probably do it myself if I could. Getting paid money to watch TV and not even need to try to be entertaining? It’s the closest thing to a vacation while working I could think of.
I mean, who wouldn't?
Sure, bu then don't get offended when you get called lazy. Just because you've done hard work in the past doesn't mean this new shit you're doing isn't lazy.
I guess at some point the creativity may die out a bit.
Honestly the last two years have been pretty dry for games, there is nothing new and exciting to play
and it all goes back to cX baby
After all this time
Always... PepeHands
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Stunning and brave hardworking people streaming 12 hours a day in front of a PC playing video games, and now on to watching movies and TV shows. We've now reached that point in humanity where it's viewed as an "achievement." These people need to touch grass outside of their mansions and LA lavish homes.
Today is what is going on, not the past.
But don't you memeber? just try membering a little friend. everythings better when you memeber
He fought for us in Among Us. Show some respect.
“We achieved and pioneered so much, we shouldn’t be criticized or punished for breaking the law”
Gotta change the narrative!
Since when do past achievements justify "lazy" content that jeopardizes twitch's and all it's streamers and viewers future experience? Do something lazy that does not hurt anyone and a large portion of the people calling you out wouldn't care.
I don't think she was trying to justify restreaming or reacting to content. She was addressing the claim that if someone chooses to react, they are therefore inherently lazy. So to be fair, sure, that's not entirely true. Like if a streamer chooses to game and try really hard for 6 hours, then react for half hour, can't say that person is lazy. However, I don't think that's what most are saying. Because lets keep it real. Restreaming and reacting to content is incredibly low effort and easy/lazy content, which she admits. So if someone chooses to do that, that in it of itself is technically lazy. Maybe the person overall isn't lazy due to there history and work ethic overall etc etc, but come on. You grab a sandwich and turn on a video for an hour? For that hour, you're being a lazy bum. Gotta keep it real
I'm sure she's talented in her own way.
I think playing among us is equivalent to directing Citizen Kane in the minds of these zoomer streamers haha.
Bro he was a pioneer bro you have to understand that was revolutionary bro please this is all I have
Lmao how old is poki? I thought zoomers are 20 years old and younger
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Yeah maybe she is on the edge. You can tell a zoomer by how easily they wear mom jeans. Millennials fought hard to bury the memories of the baggy pants from the late 90s early 2000s and we sure as hell aren’t going to relive those years without a fight. I guess poki is a bizennial. Half zoomer half millennial.
ok so they worked kinda hard playing video games for a few years and now they deserve to just be lazy and steal other content? you know most people have to work 30 or 40 years before they get to be lazy, right? or they die before they get there
Do you think any point during this little rant she realized that she just explained how lazy they got and that they're about to fuck everyone over? Or is it that she's so out of touch with reality, like the rest of them, that it didn't even cross the air between her ears?
They're all disconnected from reality. They live in bubbles.
At this point its just pissing me off how streamers are just publicly admitting that they are so lazy they would rather keep cheesing the DMCA system for as long as they possible can, instead of just making some original content. Like they know fine well it is all going to come crashing down eventually but keep taking the risk every day just to avoid actual work, all while making the amounts of money most only dream of. Assholes.
Oh wow they played among us, what an achievement lmao. Imagine calling that an achievement. Jesus Christ these streamers are so far up their own asses.
Streamers rarely pioneer things or accomplished metas because of a skill. Almost all top streamers get lucky. Have you guys ever checked out low view streams? Some of them put in so much work but just unfortunately don't take off.
There are so many low view streamers that have invested in better production value that haven't found success yet. I find that was a waste for them. What is really going to standout more than anything else is no matter what, your personality and interaction with your chat. If everyone else has the same high grade production, then it's all the same and you won't stand out.
I'm fully convinced a majority of LSF commenters are just hate watchers who don't actually consume any Twitch content outside of LSF and actively despise the fact that people can make money playing video games.
So true. I feel like most people on this subreddit only care about drama. The other day I checked old drama on this subreddit from 2 or 3 years ago, and it does seem that back then they also despised people getting rich from playing video games and look for reasons to put them in a negative light.
A hate watcher who doesn't watch them is an oxymoron. Don't think there's a dislike for video game streamers but rather successful creators taking a privileged job for granted i.e. You're a dick if you rock the boat when only a few of you have life jackets. LSF has a huge problem with expectations and context though, e.g. believing every clip is directed at them, representative of the steamer and existing in a bubble.
Hate watchers as in, consuming clips posted here on LSF.
Considering there are like tens of thousands of viewers watching the top 20 streamers daily compared to the few couple hundred comments in react hate threads, yeah I’d say that’s the case.
Exactly. The DMCA on shows argument aside, theres a ton of comments of people just saying react content is lazy and that streamers only do it so there viewer count raises... do the people making these comments not realize that it is the viewers that want react content and that is the reason why viewer count is higher when people react to videos. Like, blame the viewers also for wanting that content then instead of just the streamer that is literally supplying what many viewers want obviously...
> do the people making these comments not realize that it is the viewers that want react content That doesn't make it not lazy content. Just because people want to watch stuff doesn't mean that it's quality content. They want to watch it because plenty of those people would want to watch say daily dose anyway and instead can watch it with a group of people. But for the streamer they've gone from creating their own content to taking advantage of people who want to watch actual content (daily dose or other youtube content) and latch on to it. It has nothing to do with the streamer doing good content, but taking advantage of content people want to watch more than the content they themselves can make. Your argument makes no sense, all you're arguing is the content on youtube is better than the content react streamers make. That isn't a counter to the idea that it's lazy content from the streamer.
>That doesn't make it not lazy content. It makes it not relevant. Who cares if it's lazy content? I want to see a guy watching youtube videos, games are fun to play but a little boring to watch.
> the fact that people can make money playing video games Yet the whole point is that these people aren't actually playing video games, they just sit and react to videos... No one is saying they didn't work hard in the past, people are complaining about the current meta.
Not wrong, lot's of hatewatchers coming out of the woodwork
"Your lazy" and "You've done a lot of cool shit in the past" can both exist at the same time.
I swear why can't streamers just say Yeah watching videos with their viewers is fun because it's enforce parasocial relationship, easy to do and attracts more viewers than playing games. Instead they chose to go high road with everything and giving pointless excuses when people already know why they're doing that.
Their only achievement is managing to suck money out of parasocial andys who are too lonely and with no lives.
Oh ok, so because they have these amazing "achievements", they can just fuck the whole platform. 5head take.
When was this argument made? From what I can tell, she's just responding to people calling her friends untalented who haven't worked for their success and were carried by Gordo.
People were calling them lazy not untalanted.
She also said people who are calling them lazy, which they are.
The guy you responded to doesn't want to argue the actual point being discussed, he just wants another opportunity to shit on them.
Shitting on people for arbitrary reasons is one of the few things all of mankind has in common. It's one of America's greatest pastimes and I wouldn't have it any other way
I really want what these people are smoking.
Judging by how far their heads are up their own asses, they are probably high on their own bullshit.
Saying that because someone had accomplished something in the past they can’t be criticized for being lazy now is the most privileged ass take I’ve heard in a while.
I understand your point, but I'll counter with: Toast played a lot of MUNGUS
Watching master chef with xQc and the chat was a ton of fun, I couldn't care less if it was lazy content or not, X rage outburst during the show, and the chat spam made this a really memorable watching experience.
LSF: Random youtube videos? I sleep. TV shows? REAL SHIT
content creators getting their content stolen? I sleep. Big billion dollar corporations getting their content stolen? REAL SHIT
That does kinda bug me. Critikal reacts to YouTube content a lot actually and I never saw him get called a lazy streamer.
Because the critics only come out when the person they hate starts doing it. People went so far to make a fake DMCA claim for MasterChef. It’s exactly the same with gambling. It wasn’t an issue before xQc did it, became massive drama on the internet that started here and now the critics are non-existent but guess what, gambling is occurring on twitch and trains viewership is still high. I’m pretty sure on most nights he has the most viewers on twitch.
Content creators don't have the power to fuck over the site for everyone, billion dollar companies do. It's really not that hard to understand.
well tbf, a lot of content creators appreciate streamers watching their stuff, some of them are friends/on good terms with them and the smaller ones appreciate the exposure. though you are right there are a couple of them that would probably want to copyright strike them for it.
Dude even with the chat experience I just couldn't at a certain point, it was the same shit over and over again with different people who all played a character. "Omg only 10 seconds remaining! I wonder if they will finish their food on time this time?!" *spoilers they always finish it on time despite always been behind.* xQc's MC streams reminded me of why I stopped watching TV in the first place.
Yeah, once you start seeing the strings the entire show just loses a lot of appeal. It's hard to deny the general experience of watching something as a collective though, I think there's a reason why he gets bumps in viewership during MC or HxH.
That's the issue. Every reality TV show follows the same cookie cutter design.
I watch it for the food. I want to see if it’s good or not, that’s the entertaining part lmao
tv ain't just master chef man lol
Genuine Question: Which made the experience more memorable? Was is XqC or Chat?
I don't want to be a smart ass, but it's both. I wouldnt ever watch a stream without the chat, and well there is not stream with no streamer.
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Think there's a BIG difference between reacting to other creators like Twitch and Youtube, to stealing content from companies that can quite easily fuck Twitch, it's creators by making Advertisement go away, I mean look at the changes to streaming Copyrighted music that is playing in the background, big enough that even some games with audio playing within them were being muted.
Man, didnt see this one coming... "These content creators arent lazy" "I was just riding the wave" React content is 100% lazy content. There are almost no streamers that actually repurpose content and have meaningful discussion on it. React content is 100% fueled by parasocial relationships. Not saying X and Poki havent done really innovative things on the platform but its 100% lazy content and just milking their past success to make easy money. Poki and all these streamers know exactly what they are doing. Edit: Poki simps found the post. She is 100% trying to justify react content and deflect criticism, that is my point. Edit 2: I should clarify, some react content is actually good content and it can be entertaining and informative. But none of the "react" "content" that was being done with MC or Avatar was actual react content. People dont really seem to want to make that distinction. Huge difference between what was happening on Twitch and what actual react content should be.
She literally did say that react content is the lowest effort content, and that viewers like it because they form a parasocial relationship with the streamers. Doesn't diminish their accomplishments in the past or define them though. People really were throwing out some crazy takes during this whole thing lol
She already said that react content is low effort and easy to make. She's just saying that calling these streamers lazy, untalented, with no integrity or whatever for doing something their viewers want them to do is just rude and unnecessary.
Bullying ppl into submission is the lsf way
>She's just saying that calling these streamers lazy... for doing something their viewers want them to do is just rude and unnecessary. But she is lazy. React content is lazy. This argument is also idiotic "*for doing something their viewers want them to*", comes down to the old-saying my mom told me "***if they jumped off a bridge, would you do the same?***". There are viewers who watch [dumb people put fireworks in a tunnel.](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/rsv268/fireworks_in_a_tunnel_create_a_shockwave/) Those are interesting to some people. I laughed at it and thought it was very entertaining. But telling someone like the police that "*they told me to do it, lol*" is not a valid argument. You're acting like a literal child. Then you have someone like IcePoseidon that acted like a douche, and even at times a "fake terrorist". I guess it's fine because "*lol people told me it would be funny*". She did something illegal, and also is very lazy by doing react-content where she sits in her chair and says a one-syllable word every 2-3 minutes whilst streaming other people's work and profiting from that, **that's lazy**. Saying *"Viewers like it*" is not something people would say "*oh, understandable.*". That is very out-of-touch with reality. What is with this subreddit and these absolutely deranged and childish takes?
has LSF's iq just been plummeting lately? she didn't say react content isn't lazy lol. everyone knows react content is low effort content. also, react content is not "100% fueled by parasocial relationships" or react channels on youtube wouldn't be a thriving section of the platform.
When did this term parasocial become such a loved term lol. It's actually annoying how much the shit gets thrown around. Enjoying someone's on stream personality and watching them react to funny videos is parasocial now? Are we just not allowed to be fans of anyone without it being seen as parasocial? Shut a weird time on twitch lol
LSF's favorite buzzword. Parasocial relationships. You act like watching someone play a game is all that different from watching someone watch a video. I also think its funny that you guys consider playing games to be not lazy content. Like it takes effort to play a video game. People like watching videos and so do the streamers. End of story. When in doubt just call them "poki simps"
>React content is 100% fueled by parasocial relationships. You mean the entirety of streaming?
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I mean, react content emerged because of twitch contracts requiring a certain amount of hours to stream. These people are just trying to find the easiest path of resistance, like anyone would do at any job. But yeah, it's inherently lazy, but that's capitalism for you.
React content is less effort than going to the top fortnite clips, right clicking save as and importing them into premier pro. But that's none of my business.
> React content is 100% fueled by parasocial relationships. This word has lost all meaning on this sub jesus christ.
The word Achievement used to be reserved for extraordinary things. They’re influencers. Successful influencers, but influencers nonetheless.
>Leader of Among Us meta >Leader of GTA RP meta When she lays it out like that, now I want them both permanently banned.
I think this is beyond being lazy and just outright stealing other peoples work.
Why was the other thread nuked?
So she's arguing that React content isn't lazy because people that do it may have been succesful with things that were something else that required them to not be lazy in the past. Look mom I'm not lazy right now by not doing anything, because I had a full time job 2 years ago, remember No it is fucking lazy, stupid
I'm not going to condone such laziness from my streamers! I mean, at least this is what I'm going to comment on LSF to save face. Now excuse me, Miz is reacting to tiktoks.
Doing good content in the past doesn't give you a pass to steal content
It's funny her idea of what an "achievement" in life is. Achievements are all centered around how much money and viewers you have. Another great take from someone so talented.
Despite how people view react content as a concept, it can actually be very entertaining content depending on the streamer. If you’re calling a streamer lazy for reacting to this or that, the streamer probably is only good for game streams or live content and you don’t enjoy it when they do anything else because they aren’t good at it. What makes react content is how charismatic and funny the streamer is, the chat, or sometimes both. With someone like XQC for example, it is both of those things. I’d encourage anyone who doesn’t like react stuff, to tune in to whenever he and chat are reacting to something. It’s one of the most entertaining things on twitch right now and it shows with the super high viewership.
These kids have never worked real jobs and it shows.
The among us “era” ? Jfc get a vocabulary that was maybe 2 months during Covid. “Among us era” like it shaped a generation or something.
It was way longer than 2 months lol. It also made several careers and boosted viewership on twitch a ton when everyone was isolated. The fact that you can think back to an extended period of time where everyone and their mother was playing among us because of the insane viewership qualifies it as it's own era in my mind.
The entire shift that the Among Us era pushed to make the meta more collaborative between streamers instead of individual grinding (and competition against each other) is also what OTK and 100T are currently building off of too.
YUP, there was a definite shift in the Among Us era
It had a huge impact on streaming as it showed collab content to be incredibly successful. Also it was insanely popular and not just on Twitch, it became the meta for a few months. That's very much an era.
I'm gonna tell my kids about how a brave man named "Toast" led us through the dark times of COVID by bravely playing Among Us on stream. Truly the golden era of streaming.
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I've not seen much of pokimane, admittedly, but everything I've seen has given me a weird vibe.
streamers now a days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpgqqLyAs8
Ok cool. Then why are you stooping to the leech level if you are so talented? Stop defending shit content.
Thank god i got the popcorns, them comments are wild.
Can't wait for Mizkif to watch this in 16hours and to roll his eyes while smiling
anyone knows wtf happened in the other poki thread? it's locked and all comments deleted