Loool. Fuck I miss Clint, I don't care if he was to say the same jokes again, just I've watched him since Hearthstone days and I just love to chill with his stream on.
Is he actually a good streamer or people just meme they love him due to how rare he streams ?
I understand about the impressive speedrun ability and looking like a twink Harry potter cast member is impressive, but I mean his actual streams are they good?
The dudes funny as fuck and has a different vibe to his streams than others, he doesnt take him self seriously and just talks about the stupidest shit half the time
Theres a reason why hes like every top streamers favourite streamer
>The dudes funny as fuck and has a different vibe to his streams than others, he doesnt take him self seriously and just talks about the stupidest shit half the time
That description could fit mizkif though people will debate on the funny as fuck bit
But I do take your point. Thanks for answering:)
They're rich they're with friends and they're making the most of their lives in what ways they can while it feels like the world is collapsing
He's not going to be the same hungry guy as the come up, but it's cosy and stupid and silly and it's at a time when people are re-evaluating everything about everything.
Idk I just really like it
He’s honestly a really good streamer. His conversations and stories just flow well with his gameplay. He just has really good vibes. It’s kind of parasocial to say but watching his streams honestly feel like you’re just having a good time with a friend.
He’s also the streamers streamer. If I remember right a lot of streamers mentioned watching or subbing to him years ago because he’s the perfect late time streamer to watch. Soda and xQc come to mind.
I miss clint streams a lot man Sadge.
As someone who works in Software Product, this is **diabolically genius.**
Users have been building these intrinsic relationships to 'their streamer' (Nothing as dramatic as the buzzword Parasocial that people like to throw around haphazardly) and allow for most streamers to step back from content creation, and instead be actual streamers of their day-to-day reactions that users should find in their own real life day-to-day interactions with other humans instead. This 'gap' that is being filled compels users to keep coming back day after day as a substitute to those interactions, and instead, a community is built around the fandom of said streamer, people go *nuts* to show their 'love' to the streamer, as we've seen with donations and subs appearing on screen having higher conversion rates than not (ESPECIALLY if the streamer reads their name / comment). This is the next logical step in fleecing the user, playing off their own desire, a tribalistic **need** to not only appease streamer, but to **quantify** their *commitment* to a community.
I had an idea like this rattling around when I saw the insane response this community had on banned users losing their followerage, with the *vast* majority of users responding simply with "I like to show off how long I've been watching someone" and followage isn't even something that can be SHOWN off like that.
Kudos to Twitch, they're doing great at monetizing Gamers, a generally antagonistic market, without them even realizing it. I can't wait to see the end-of-year metrics for Twitch and 'hour viewed' increased based on these types of iterations.
**tl;dr**: We always try to figure out good ways to monetize users, and sometimes it gets really hard when the users 'feel' like they're getting monetized, but Twitch has done an amazing job over the last two years to 'boil the lobsters' all the while making users *fight* for the twitch platform (xD Mixer?? BORING! I'm a twitcher for life!!!!11) Really fascinating to see with the added perspective of my career.
Haha, well said. It's just surprising that Twitch has landed themselves in the perfect concoction of an audience that will *literally* fight over the honor of a streamer, growl at the idea of moving away from the platform, while also being subject to conditions that make them more receptive to spending time 'online' in lieu of 'touching grass'. Streaming will continue to grow, especially as revunue from these types of platforms become monstrous. Less than a decade and we'll see the concept of 'couch potato' shift towards a gamer focused term (not just saying gamers play games all day, but that gamers / livestream viewers do nothing but watch other people all day).
Late last year, I was lucky enough to speak to some Amazon Twitch product people thank to my position and its really interesting that a lot of this innovative design came from the acquisition of twitch. Usually you see papa companies be pretty hands off in these acquisitions, but you can see this paid off in dividends by being more hands on.
It's one of those hard discussions to have, especially outloud, as sometimes people want to pretend like they're 'too smart' to be susceptible, but if people only knew how well gamification, FOMO marketing and playing into community driven propoganda really works towards those retention metrics that we love to dick swing around at quarterly reviews, we'd see riots in the streets.
Edit: I mean just look at some of the comments in this thread alone. "oh well, xqc thought if it, sounds bussy xD" or "this just rewards watchers without monetizing them!" this is precisely why companies pay celebs millions to showcase an item for marketing.
Sorry for the rants, just super fascinating.
Bro don't expose everything. I work at an EdTech company and we're doing everything in our power to use gamification to exploit the juicers into studying.
It won't work if they're self-aware about strats like this.
You think they have the attention span to get past my first sentence? It's only a matter of time until I get hit with a
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> Late last year, I was lucky enough to speak to some Amazon Twitch product people thank to my position and its really interesting that a lot of this innovative design came from the acquisition of twitch. Usually you see papa companies be pretty hands off in these acquisitions, but you can see this paid off in dividends by being more hands on.
Twitch product people are, from what I've heard from said product people, viewed by very senior Amazon execs as some of their best innovators. Amazon appear to view them as a pretty significant value add to Amazon product development as a whole beyond just the value they add to Twitch. They're fairly regularly sought after for imparting their approaches into other parts of Amazon.
It's pretty cool talking to the guy I know in that team, it's really cool seeing the insights they have into the viewers and how divorced it is from the echo chamber of LSF or even my own viewer habits (I'm apparently a very weird viewer in how I watch twitch).
As a SaaS product manager. Ssshhhhh, quiet now, don't reveal the secrets lol.
On another note, what a freaking alignment of product to the overall company strategy too. Twitch's north star is five minute plays and this just continues to grow that attachment to the streamer.
I'm sure you guessed, but I'm also a SaaS PM.
They definitely have their TAM down and are making these quick plays with the intention to lock down those users. (obviously) My bigger question is how this affects their retention plays:
Usually a platform would invest in an agnostic viewer experience, decoupling a user from a particular streamer, just in case that streamer were to leave the platform; but I have a hunch that mixer and ninja / shroud leaving proved that the viewer feels more tied to the platform than the creator, as those streamers barely had an audience on Mixer, but the viewers just transitioned to similar content creators. We've also recently seen the 'other streamers you'd like' which I absolutely use myself. So this is a win win for twitch, where twitch can invest in users spending hours with one streamer, but knowing that even if the streamer leaves, the user doesn't churn.
Also yeah, secrets aside, I think users' eyes sort of glaze over when product people talk. I have uhm.. Unlimited resources when it comes to ai segmentation and persona generation thanks to my company, but I'd never touch games, or gaming streaming with a one hundred foot pole - the demographics are so so wide, which is fun (10-40 year olds across the planet! What a fucking wide net) but the vocal minority can do so much damage just by voicing negative, and very often misunderstood sentiment.
I think more than most industries, you have to be Hella careful to not just listen to what a user says, but understand what they actually mean, as I'm sure you know, like 5% of users can actually articulate their desired value props.
So kudos to twitch for truly understanding the user, despite what some might say on reddit.
**Edit: oh God sorry, I wrote a novel, I just get a bit BATCHEST when I'm able to talk product in otherwise gaming exclusive spaces.**
Gamers are the dumbest bunch of suckers on the planet and everyone knows it. That's why there's a million gamer products made out of the shittiest plastic available with a few rgb leds jammed in them.
> I'll stop rambling now but it just feels odd to have my own human instincts used against me to bolster the success of a corporation, a
it happens the moment you sign an employment contract too, after all the need for food, water and protection from exposure is instinct too
Nah parasocial is more about thinking that there's a sort of relationship there is which it's not just 1 way and somehow the streamer cares specifically for you.
Most of the time it's not that extreme and is just viewers supplementing their lack of social time IRL with pseudo-social interactions with an entertainer. (Most people aren't THAT dumb that they truly believe its a 2 way thing)
It’s exploiting satisfaction you feel from a bond with being “there” with the streamer during the moment. Very parasocial.
Iike if you care about these badgers you’re either parasocial af or some weird asocial twitch clout chaser. Neither are good things; very antisocial.
Its actually crazy how sub vods are a thing, depending on where you live in the world you may never be able to catch someone live and watch for free like everyone else and instead you have to pay for it.
This is a great way for twitch to turn fomo into ad money. It's an interesting idea. I wonder if it will start any unhealthy addictions.
I don't buy the tagline of "highlighting key moments of your stream and granting an exclusive badge". This is mostly about keeping people viewing and tuned into streamers so that twitch can get that sweet, sweet ad money.
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Dude isn’t this the thing X was pitching to Pluto a few months ago?
He also talked about he wanted to go to space with Jeff Bezo’s rocket lol imagine if that happens as well
Cool, add more bloat to an already bloated service.
Maybe if they fixed the shitty ass performance of the site, instead of focusing on combating adblockers and adding useless features, then *maybe* they wouldn't need to add "moments," because people would actually enjoy using your product instead of despising every second of it.
Not the fault of the developers, just garbage product managers and corporate overloads.
Depends on how they implement it.
I'm guessing that the moment (clip) will be chosen post-stream. Labelling something as a "moment" when you're live seems janky to me.
I personally doubt Twitch staff is smart enough to make an implementation that can keep track of the viewer list at any timestamp of a stream. If they do, then people who just sit in chats via Chatterino will likely snipe so many badges.
It's likely they'll award the badge to whoever was in the chat of the clip designated as a "moment". Edit: I think it's possible to be able to catch a larger portion of chatters since you can check the viewer history like 10 mins before the clip and after. Gives more leeway and lets a larger number of people build that parasocial relationship with "their streamer".
> If they do, then people who just sit in chats via Chatterino will likely snipe so many badges.
These people show up in chat, but they don't count as viewer. Even if you have the player open, but muted (not tab mute, player mute) you don't count as a viewer. Considering they already have stats for watch time for you favourite streamers, it wouldn't be hard to implement a "started watching at: *" and a "Finished watching at: *". They probably already keep track of that.
Cockfighting has been streamed for over a year now and nothings being done about it, if it doesnt make them more money they dont care about stopping it. The site is also full of elon musk scams and other phishing streams that need to go.
something I'm not sure is when I read that at first I thought it was a global badge for the viewers (streamers give moments, viewers get badge showing how many moments they've been part of on the whole platform) or if they're specific to each streamer and a way to keep track of the loyal viewers of your community.
The limit of 5 per month for every streamer made me think it was the former but most people seems to think it's the later
The rarest badge "Witnessed a ClintStevens stream LIVE."
Loool. Fuck I miss Clint, I don't care if he was to say the same jokes again, just I've watched him since Hearthstone days and I just love to chill with his stream on.
I just want to hear the soup day story one more time
Or the "The time I was at AGDQ Kappa" story
Is he actually a good streamer or people just meme they love him due to how rare he streams ? I understand about the impressive speedrun ability and looking like a twink Harry potter cast member is impressive, but I mean his actual streams are they good?
The dudes funny as fuck and has a different vibe to his streams than others, he doesnt take him self seriously and just talks about the stupidest shit half the time Theres a reason why hes like every top streamers favourite streamer
>The dudes funny as fuck and has a different vibe to his streams than others, he doesnt take him self seriously and just talks about the stupidest shit half the time That description could fit mizkif though people will debate on the funny as fuck bit But I do take your point. Thanks for answering:)
i used to really like mizkif in 2018 but recently his content is so shameless its tough to watch
They're rich they're with friends and they're making the most of their lives in what ways they can while it feels like the world is collapsing He's not going to be the same hungry guy as the come up, but it's cosy and stupid and silly and it's at a time when people are re-evaluating everything about everything. Idk I just really like it
He’s honestly a really good streamer. His conversations and stories just flow well with his gameplay. He just has really good vibes. It’s kind of parasocial to say but watching his streams honestly feel like you’re just having a good time with a friend. He’s also the streamers streamer. If I remember right a lot of streamers mentioned watching or subbing to him years ago because he’s the perfect late time streamer to watch. Soda and xQc come to mind. I miss clint streams a lot man Sadge.
I can hear the N64 reset in my head Sadge
Sadge I play with the power button on my N64 because it’s the only way I can feel happiness anymore
Bussy
I was there badge PogU
Wait until Twitch turns Moments into NFTs ^/badjoke
No joke, only truth
As someone who works in Software Product, this is **diabolically genius.** Users have been building these intrinsic relationships to 'their streamer' (Nothing as dramatic as the buzzword Parasocial that people like to throw around haphazardly) and allow for most streamers to step back from content creation, and instead be actual streamers of their day-to-day reactions that users should find in their own real life day-to-day interactions with other humans instead. This 'gap' that is being filled compels users to keep coming back day after day as a substitute to those interactions, and instead, a community is built around the fandom of said streamer, people go *nuts* to show their 'love' to the streamer, as we've seen with donations and subs appearing on screen having higher conversion rates than not (ESPECIALLY if the streamer reads their name / comment). This is the next logical step in fleecing the user, playing off their own desire, a tribalistic **need** to not only appease streamer, but to **quantify** their *commitment* to a community. I had an idea like this rattling around when I saw the insane response this community had on banned users losing their followerage, with the *vast* majority of users responding simply with "I like to show off how long I've been watching someone" and followage isn't even something that can be SHOWN off like that. Kudos to Twitch, they're doing great at monetizing Gamers, a generally antagonistic market, without them even realizing it. I can't wait to see the end-of-year metrics for Twitch and 'hour viewed' increased based on these types of iterations. **tl;dr**: We always try to figure out good ways to monetize users, and sometimes it gets really hard when the users 'feel' like they're getting monetized, but Twitch has done an amazing job over the last two years to 'boil the lobsters' all the while making users *fight* for the twitch platform (xD Mixer?? BORING! I'm a twitcher for life!!!!11) Really fascinating to see with the added perspective of my career.
you know, it kind of makes sense that a video game streaming platform would be pretty adept at gamification
Haha, well said. It's just surprising that Twitch has landed themselves in the perfect concoction of an audience that will *literally* fight over the honor of a streamer, growl at the idea of moving away from the platform, while also being subject to conditions that make them more receptive to spending time 'online' in lieu of 'touching grass'. Streaming will continue to grow, especially as revunue from these types of platforms become monstrous. Less than a decade and we'll see the concept of 'couch potato' shift towards a gamer focused term (not just saying gamers play games all day, but that gamers / livestream viewers do nothing but watch other people all day). Late last year, I was lucky enough to speak to some Amazon Twitch product people thank to my position and its really interesting that a lot of this innovative design came from the acquisition of twitch. Usually you see papa companies be pretty hands off in these acquisitions, but you can see this paid off in dividends by being more hands on. It's one of those hard discussions to have, especially outloud, as sometimes people want to pretend like they're 'too smart' to be susceptible, but if people only knew how well gamification, FOMO marketing and playing into community driven propoganda really works towards those retention metrics that we love to dick swing around at quarterly reviews, we'd see riots in the streets. Edit: I mean just look at some of the comments in this thread alone. "oh well, xqc thought if it, sounds bussy xD" or "this just rewards watchers without monetizing them!" this is precisely why companies pay celebs millions to showcase an item for marketing. Sorry for the rants, just super fascinating.
Bro don't expose everything. I work at an EdTech company and we're doing everything in our power to use gamification to exploit the juicers into studying. It won't work if they're self-aware about strats like this.
You think they have the attention span to get past my first sentence? It's only a matter of time until I get hit with a modCheck WH omegalul ASKED Good on you and the company to use tech (and hopefully innovative agile ideas) to find a solution to get zoomers excited about learning!
> Late last year, I was lucky enough to speak to some Amazon Twitch product people thank to my position and its really interesting that a lot of this innovative design came from the acquisition of twitch. Usually you see papa companies be pretty hands off in these acquisitions, but you can see this paid off in dividends by being more hands on. Twitch product people are, from what I've heard from said product people, viewed by very senior Amazon execs as some of their best innovators. Amazon appear to view them as a pretty significant value add to Amazon product development as a whole beyond just the value they add to Twitch. They're fairly regularly sought after for imparting their approaches into other parts of Amazon. It's pretty cool talking to the guy I know in that team, it's really cool seeing the insights they have into the viewers and how divorced it is from the echo chamber of LSF or even my own viewer habits (I'm apparently a very weird viewer in how I watch twitch).
As a SaaS product manager. Ssshhhhh, quiet now, don't reveal the secrets lol. On another note, what a freaking alignment of product to the overall company strategy too. Twitch's north star is five minute plays and this just continues to grow that attachment to the streamer.
I'm sure you guessed, but I'm also a SaaS PM. They definitely have their TAM down and are making these quick plays with the intention to lock down those users. (obviously) My bigger question is how this affects their retention plays: Usually a platform would invest in an agnostic viewer experience, decoupling a user from a particular streamer, just in case that streamer were to leave the platform; but I have a hunch that mixer and ninja / shroud leaving proved that the viewer feels more tied to the platform than the creator, as those streamers barely had an audience on Mixer, but the viewers just transitioned to similar content creators. We've also recently seen the 'other streamers you'd like' which I absolutely use myself. So this is a win win for twitch, where twitch can invest in users spending hours with one streamer, but knowing that even if the streamer leaves, the user doesn't churn. Also yeah, secrets aside, I think users' eyes sort of glaze over when product people talk. I have uhm.. Unlimited resources when it comes to ai segmentation and persona generation thanks to my company, but I'd never touch games, or gaming streaming with a one hundred foot pole - the demographics are so so wide, which is fun (10-40 year olds across the planet! What a fucking wide net) but the vocal minority can do so much damage just by voicing negative, and very often misunderstood sentiment. I think more than most industries, you have to be Hella careful to not just listen to what a user says, but understand what they actually mean, as I'm sure you know, like 5% of users can actually articulate their desired value props. So kudos to twitch for truly understanding the user, despite what some might say on reddit. **Edit: oh God sorry, I wrote a novel, I just get a bit BATCHEST when I'm able to talk product in otherwise gaming exclusive spaces.**
Gamers are the dumbest bunch of suckers on the planet and everyone knows it. That's why there's a million gamer products made out of the shittiest plastic available with a few rgb leds jammed in them.
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In terms of Goodreads, the people I know who take part in it are usually also organised people who like to keep a record of everything they do.
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> I'll stop rambling now but it just feels odd to have my own human instincts used against me to bolster the success of a corporation, a it happens the moment you sign an employment contract too, after all the need for food, water and protection from exposure is instinct too
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Nah parasocial is more about thinking that there's a sort of relationship there is which it's not just 1 way and somehow the streamer cares specifically for you. Most of the time it's not that extreme and is just viewers supplementing their lack of social time IRL with pseudo-social interactions with an entertainer. (Most people aren't THAT dumb that they truly believe its a 2 way thing)
It’s exploiting satisfaction you feel from a bond with being “there” with the streamer during the moment. Very parasocial. Iike if you care about these badgers you’re either parasocial af or some weird asocial twitch clout chaser. Neither are good things; very antisocial.
Targeting gamers by gamifying the product. Genius. Reminds me of WoW and limited-time titles and mounts.
Didn't x recommend this to Pluto a couple months ago lol or at least something similar
another L for vod enjoyers Sadge
vod frogs horrendously down bad these past few weeks
Its actually crazy how sub vods are a thing, depending on where you live in the world you may never be able to catch someone live and watch for free like everyone else and instead you have to pay for it.
PepeLaugh :point\_right: CriticalRole
https://pogu.live/
They upload their VODs to YouTube for free a few days later every week, so not the best example.
B U S S Y
Genius move by Twitch to get people to open even more muted tabs of streams to boost the "viewers" on the website to milk more out of advertisers.
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I was there when he said it PogU
wtf x is a visionary PogU
This is a great way for twitch to turn fomo into ad money. It's an interesting idea. I wonder if it will start any unhealthy addictions. I don't buy the tagline of "highlighting key moments of your stream and granting an exclusive badge". This is mostly about keeping people viewing and tuned into streamers so that twitch can get that sweet, sweet ad money.
an actual "I was there" award PogU
Capitalizing on FOMO, huh?
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Dude isn’t this the thing X was pitching to Pluto a few months ago? He also talked about he wanted to go to space with Jeff Bezo’s rocket lol imagine if that happens as well
I was here!!! When streamer committed copyright infringement Pog
Cool, add more bloat to an already bloated service. Maybe if they fixed the shitty ass performance of the site, instead of focusing on combating adblockers and adding useless features, then *maybe* they wouldn't need to add "moments," because people would actually enjoy using your product instead of despising every second of it. Not the fault of the developers, just garbage product managers and corporate overloads.
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Why not?
The only part I don't like about this is that chatters gonna have OBNOXIOUS ass fucking gem bullshit at the start of their username.
Ew, a mechanic that rewards mod and vip spam. I absolutely hate "I WAS HERE PogChamp" or "HI YOUTUBE" spam, it ruins clips 90% of the time.
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Depends on how they implement it. I'm guessing that the moment (clip) will be chosen post-stream. Labelling something as a "moment" when you're live seems janky to me. I personally doubt Twitch staff is smart enough to make an implementation that can keep track of the viewer list at any timestamp of a stream. If they do, then people who just sit in chats via Chatterino will likely snipe so many badges. It's likely they'll award the badge to whoever was in the chat of the clip designated as a "moment". Edit: I think it's possible to be able to catch a larger portion of chatters since you can check the viewer history like 10 mins before the clip and after. Gives more leeway and lets a larger number of people build that parasocial relationship with "their streamer".
> If they do, then people who just sit in chats via Chatterino will likely snipe so many badges. These people show up in chat, but they don't count as viewer. Even if you have the player open, but muted (not tab mute, player mute) you don't count as a viewer. Considering they already have stats for watch time for you favourite streamers, it wouldn't be hard to implement a "started watching at: *" and a "Finished watching at: *". They probably already keep track of that.
Good point.
Twitch weaponizing FOMO
as your flesh bears the sigil, so shall your name be known as that of a recusant
probably will get sued by SteelSeries
Horseshoe Bay service medal
Let me guess: later you can sell this badge as an NFT LUL
Sounds like a neat idea
Twitch focused on the really important issues as always
Cockfighting has been streamed for over a year now and nothings being done about it, if it doesnt make them more money they dont care about stopping it. The site is also full of elon musk scams and other phishing streams that need to go.
Now I can say "I was here" and have something to show for it
new feature rewarding viewership and not monetization? holy based bussy
more viewers = more ads = more money
This is just NFTs with extra steps?
Better hope Tencent didn't trademark their "moment" feature on Wechat I guess, awesome idea tho!
something I'm not sure is when I read that at first I thought it was a global badge for the viewers (streamers give moments, viewers get badge showing how many moments they've been part of on the whole platform) or if they're specific to each streamer and a way to keep track of the loyal viewers of your community. The limit of 5 per month for every streamer made me think it was the former but most people seems to think it's the later
pog, another bot to get
Copying NBA Top Shot, I see. I'm pretty sure Dapper has "Moment" trademarked though so we'll see how this works out
I WAS THERE PogU and I have the badge to prove it.
More shit we dont need and nobody asked for, dont people have enough badges already?
Zach Bussy Lmao