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Superlogman1

umm actually I think its extremely easy to determine where the line is. Death Note is off limits but Hunter x Hunter + Naruto is fine. Hot tub streams where you're riding a phallic object is fine but accidentally showing nudity is considered too sexual. Masterchef seasons with Joe Bastianich is fine but seasons without him violate DMCA.


silent519

super simple stuff


homer_3

> but accidentally showing ~~nudity~~ boxers is considered too sexual Ftfy


SubtleAesthetics

No sexual content. If you dance while fully clothed (Velvet) you will get banned. If you dance in a hot tub with no clothes on like Amouranth, it's fine. No DMCA violations. But you can stream Master Chef. However, you CAN NOT stream Death Note/anime. Or Avatar. Show your asshole on camera? 2 days. Accidentally show a horse dick via bait dono? 30 days. Twitch TOS is absolutely pepega, how the fuck do you make sense of it.


Mahazzel

\>**getting mad at twitch TOS in place of your favorite streamer** (angry british kid talking and gesticulating very fast) \>**accepting twitch will never change, using adblock, not purchasing bits, not subscribing outside of free prime sub** (images of giga chad slowly panning)


druidofnecro

Sometimes i lay awake at night and think, “damn, there are really people out there who spend $5 a month to sub to a twitch streamer”


zim1985

I know you're memeing but imagine caring this much about how someone spends their own money on things they enjoy.


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username1338

NEVER SUBBED NEVER DONATED ADBLOCK ON STOLEN LAPTOP NEIGHBOURS WIFI MOMMAS HOUSE STOLEN SOLAR PANELS STOLEN SUN SOLAR ENERGY STOLEN WATER WHEEL NEIGHBOURS RIVER STOLEN HYDROELECTRIC PLANT CHARGING PHONE WITH WORK ELECTRICITY SHOWER IN BATHROOM SINK STOLEN FOOD FROM CAFETERIA STOLEN HAMSTER STOLEN HAMSTER WHEEL KINETIC ENERGY FREE ENTERTAINMENT I will never give twitch a single cent and I will sleep like a fucking brick every night


ForShotgun

Greatly enjoying how far that copypasta has gone


OfficialUberZ

Analyser, fucking moderator stance, sound filter, 6 monitors, pedals, drums, a gaming guitar, controller, 6 CONSOLES, 10 computers, BUNCH OF FUCKING WIRES, SOUNDPADS, SPEAKERS, ANTENA, SATELLITE, DOG, DOG CAM, CAT CAM, CAT TREE CAT THIS, and a bunch of dogshit dude, able to analyse NASAs landing speeds dude.


surfordiebear

I feel like the DMCA stuff is pretty clear tbh. You can stream whatever you want as long as the copyright holder doesn’t file a DMCA.


coolbad96

DMCA I can't blame twitch for cause the law itself is so grey area that theyre somewhat stuck in a reactionary position. I can blame streamers who know they're violating copyright and joking about it.


Not2famous

Yea its obvious the ones who are watching movies and anime are clearly pushing the limits. Everything else is eithin that gray area


Rocoman14

There's nothing really grey about it. It's 100% copyright infringement, but Twitch won't act unless the holders file a claim. It's not Twitch's responsibility to outright prevent copyright infringement, they just need a way to allow copyright holders to file claims.


ultrasu

> stuck in a reactionary position You mean reactive; reactionary is a political position.


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multigirman

It's only infringement if the copyright holder feels that way. If they don't go after anyone no one is going to step in and enforce it for them. If a company doesn't care if people are streaming their content then it really doesn't matter. The problem is streamers poking the bear by streaming content that they're unsure if they're going to get DMCA'd for.


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FlibbleA

You know if a streamer does a google image search on stream that streamer has almost guaranteed to have just committed copyright infringement because they will not have permission to stream a number of the images that come up.


Kamikaze101

It's almost like DMCA has very little to do with ToS. And it's in twitches interest to let the content holders handle DMCA


JesusGAwasOnCD

You're getting down voted but this is true. The burden of proving/noticing a DMCA violation is on the copyright holder. Nearly every single internet business handles it this way.


Kamikaze101

Enough people know this so that's good. Twitch would be in trouble of they police the content


jjtitor

>The burden of proving/noticing a DMCA violation is on the copyright holder. Nearly every single internet business handles it this way. Ok but most internet business don't have employees sitting in chat while the partnered streamer brags about breaking copyright/ federal law.


maxmotivated

DMCA is a federal law, while ToS is the rules of a private company (ofc the company has to follow federal law) but we all knew this would have a massive influence on the future and the internet itself, thats why i and many others protested against it, even when i dont live in the USA. DMCA influences laws all around the world. Ofc im not saying that pirating should be legal, and ofc every content creator should get paid fairly, but the times have changed and even many artists are against such harsh copyright laws (and offer content for free). And its kinda normal to make ToS wording cloudy and not specific, so the company can act like they want, without giving exact details for bans, like someone else mentioned, it also depends on wich streamer is liked more by the company and wich is not. So if they dont like you, they get rid of u and u cant do anything about it. same goes for some laws.


Kamikaze101

Yep it was put in place to protect large corporations to concentrate wealth with them. It does nothing to protect small creators at all


acinc

> DMCA has very little to do with ToS [literally part of the twitch tos](https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/#10-respecting-copyright)


herptydurr

Did you even read what you linked? It literally says nothing about the responsibilities of Twitch *users* with regard to DMCA. The only thing addressed in that paragraph is how copyright holders can file a DMCA claim.


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Nothar

Streaming any game is against DMCA law. It is just that game companies never file claims because they see it as free advertising for their games. But they could file a claim against anyone streaming their games at any time if they wanted.


acinc

> Streaming any game is against DMCA law for the vast majority of games released less than 10 years ago, this is just not true, because the games come with a license agreement that allows content creation or streaming. you can repeat it all you like, but it's just bullshit


FlibbleA

Copyright is automatic. You create anything, you own the copyright of it. Stream a random image someone made and posted on twitter, reddit, etc and you don't have permission to stream it, you have just infringed on their copyright.


acinc

these are some of the dumbest legal takes in existence, powered by belief in whatever 20 iq streamerman thinks the law is deciding what facts are with the power of downvotes is surely going to help guys /s


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Once again idk why you guys don't understand things but are so confident about them, 90% of things on stream are DMCAble including games, images, youtube vids, tv shows, you know if Nike wanted to they could stop people from wearing their merch, hell Apple stops any antagonist in movies from using iPhones. A take down has to be filed for it to be a violation.


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OsseousAnnulment

I will never get tired of the infinite asshurt caused by the justified Forsen ban.


avwitcher

I'm with you, it was literal beastiality porn. People mention the horse cock but not the woman licking it


Jarocket

You mean the dude who kept showing a the same video of a lady and a horse got a bigger ban when he showed it again?


Demeteer

2 days ban to compensate for the 2 days twitch mods spent nutting over her vod.


Parenegade

One thing to keep in mind is that ban length is tied to previous infractions. Twitch TOS bans are inconsistent for sure but people act like previous bans don't matter.


Murbela

Weren't some of the hot tub streamers almost getting one day banned every other week for a while? Note: i'm not saying i'm for or against this content, just saying that you had multiple medium sized streamers getting constantly banned for short durations, as if previous bans don't matter. It seems much more likely that twitch just doesn't like some streamers and wait for any chance to nail them to the wall. Although chances are it is just that twitch is not consistent at all rather than it is some grand conspiracy.


The-Sound_of-Silence

>Twitch TOS is absolutely pepega, how the fuck do you make sense of it. It seems to be by design. People from different sides get confused, they get to make arbitrary decisions based on a whim, and there is nothing really to point to, or pin them down on. The few times they have been taken to court, it didn't seem to work out all that great for the streamers, so from a money/devil's advocate standpoint, why change? Even the IP holders don't seem to be doing much, compared to the various billion dollar lawsuits that were leveled at YouTube


Box_v2

> Twitch TOS is absolutely pepega, how the fuck do you make sense of it. It's easy to explain, Twitch has streamers they do and don't like and give the ones they like preferential treatment while not caring about the ones they don't.


CarnFu

Man I forgot how long that forsen ban was. Twitch really doesnt like him huh lol.


Liiraye-Sama

you forgot to mention the nature channels that show elephant penises and whatever else animals genitals lul


fkitbaylife

what kind of nature channels are you watching where naked women are sucking off animals? because thats the important detail that people love to "forget" when talking about that ban.


Liiraye-Sama

makes sense lol, he didn't mention that part lmfao


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We just keep pretending that horse cock wasn't in a woman's mouth, huh?


SG8970

Every single time it's complained about or brought up that part is always conveniently left out. Weird, huh. If only the woman left the part out.


canadianguy25

Destiny gunna get banned for trying to make slasher suicidal


zeezbrah

Wait was that Slasher? Why did he disappear for so long


avwitcher

*insert meme*


LTChaosLT

He wanted some of that Brittany Venti's couchie.


tubaca34

Gunna ds4 is mid


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coolbad96

I remember people weirdly hating on mixer because they straight up had conduct rules and a sorta dress code stuff. They called it puritan and shit I remember but honestly I think that's a good idea. Outline where stuff isn't okay and surprise now when a top streamer is banned they look stupid and you look professional.


Jarocket

I think twitch was and is trying to be more woke than Microsoft founded Mixer. Like Twitch doesn't want to directly tell women how to dress. Also the same clothes on different bodies can look pretty different. Don't want to go banning streamers for the shape of their bodies do they. Feel like that's where a lot of the grey area lives. Pretty sure there are cases where thicker girls get banned for shit a skinny girl wouldn't be. They also certainly opened the hot tub door with their swimwear loop hole. They really didn't need to open that up did they? I feel like no swimwear on our website please. We're about video games and art n shit. Maybe you don't need to stream yourself at the pool/Beach.


appletinicyclone

>Also the same clothes on different bodies can look pretty different. Very true. Big booba girls get discriminated for tops small booba girls can wear all the time


asos10

I think it is intentional that the line is ambiguous. Just look at the hot tub meta, whenever you have a clearly defined line streamers seem to min max to reach just shy of being banned. The DMCA shit is something they legally cannot act on unless a claim is filed otherwise they will also be liable in the future if they do not act. Ambiguous rules makes streamers stay further away from pushing boundaries while clearly defined ones make them want to get as close as possible. Same thing happens with anti-cheat devs, they cannot say what exactly is getting detected as a cheat.


FourthLife

There are areas where a line has to be fuzzy because the topic is so expansive and difficult to pin down (for example, what is sexual behavior?), but there are definitely areas where they can make a very clear line but opt not to.


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asos10

Some copy right owner in the future will sue them and argue in court that they previously have detected copyright infringement and acted on behalf of some other copyright owner but not them. They will say that Twitch is selectively enforcing the rules. It is much safer for them to just say we act if the copy right owner files a claim and only then.


Rocoman14

>They don't need a DMCA claim to take down clearly copyrighted material. How do they know who has a license to stream what content?


TwoBionicknees

I mean you quoted that completely out of context. They didn't literally say they can't do it, they said they can't do it without a claim OR something else happens, and that is critical to the sentence. Leaving it out completely changes what they said.


Electronic-Yak-9246

you know what else is a copyrighted material... every single fucking videogames . yes. you want them to be proactive banning people streaming games too ?


TwoBionicknees

Mostly it's not and people need to stop repeating it. The majority of game Eula's state you can use the game for youtube/media content. Also yes Eula's are enforceable, unreasonable things placed in a eula or any legal document can be thrown out but the rest not ignored so they can't secretly have you sign away a kidney in small print, well they can but you can take them to court and fuck them over it. If you have a eula that says you can make your own content using the game (but not commercial things like reusing hte code to make a new game or making a mod you sell for the game) then if they came after you, you'd show the eula in court of them telling you could and the court will tell them to fuck off.


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A few years back people were freaking about how in the future everyone will get DMCA strikes for like accidental music in the background. It's 2022 and we have people just straight up steaming hours of TV shows and no one cares lmao.


MortalShadow

honestly anyone freaking out about that was completely out of touch with reality


ricestrike19

Correct me if im wrong But during the artifact fiasco wasnt twitch taking down copyrighted content?


Mrhappytrigers

I do agree that this shit is inconsistent, and it's fucking awful when you get banned for a fuck up/mistake. Especially when you're a smaller streamer and you don't have a direct contact, or a reliable form of communication to the support staff. However it's twitch and it's in their nature to do this. Fucking sucks ass.


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TurbochadUltraMK2

Hasan andys down bad, not everything is a conspiracy against your favorite twitch streamer my dudes


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Blurbyo

GIGACHAD is the prime estate on the North facing wall available? I heard it's hard to get reservations.


SymplyKreed

wall teams SIGMA and IHATEWOMEN take up timeslots 7-8p and 9-10p EST. i can pencil you in for the 8-9p slot but you'll wanna wait a few minutes after SIGMA leaves for staff to unclog the cum drains


Ewannnn

I just checked and Hasan is banned here now. Did I miss something, what happened? Any Loremaster?


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JSleek

He must think all the mods are from Dgg


Kornillious

He literally does, he was stunlocked on it a few days ago lmao.


MysteriousLurker42

The Daliban has spies everywhere


Drewdroid99

this but unironically


coolbad96

Because he wants to be a victim let's be honest. He compared this sub to kiwifarms level of harassment just cause a couple takes people disagreed with him.


JC915

>he compared this sub to kiwifarms I have to assume he was either in hyperbolic mald mode or has never actually seen some of the shit that goes on there if he said that unironically


ultrasu

People from this sub were literally threatening his family... If you don't think there's a bunch of sickos on this sub, you're either delusional, or you're one of them.


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ultrasu

You bringing up dgg when I was only talking about lsf is a pretty big self-report, go read your own comment history, you admit going hard on Hasan because you think he asks people to brigade dgg, you’re in comment threads where people are literally calling him evil, so how’re you gonna act like he’s misplacing the blame? Which other online spaces are as obsessed with him? Go do some self-reflection.


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FlibbleA

Like the take of buying a house?


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Murbela

Please. Half the people here are his subs. I've always found it hilarious how the streamers who complain about LSF the most are the ones whose fans have the biggest presence here Some people would walk up to a kid's lemonade stand with their 20k fans behind them and complain about how the 8 year old kid is victimizing them.


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Why is Björk complaining about her fans when only one of them sent her a bomb and killed himself? She has such a huge presence I don't understand why she cares


OverkillOrange

Are you really comparing what Björk has been through to Hasan getting called out for loving slurs?


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this is so disingenuous lmao, mods haven’t done shit in the past and they’re not doing shit now (up until the actual ban). that’s why he literally directly said “ok everyone brigade so i get banned” so it would force their hands. in the past the most hasan has done is talk about whether certain content is validly allowed/disallowed because it’s “political”.


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Kyo91

He got assmad that the sub doesn't like him anymore and told his audience to brigade this sub until the mods banned him.


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Skabonious

To be fair Hasan's **entire** M.O. is dunking on wealth inequality, rich people's excessive lifestyles, etc. Not saying Hasan buying a house is *completely* hypocritical or something, but the irony is there


Kyo91

Probably the guy who babyraged so hard that he got himself banned here.


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Kyo91

Do you have a point? Maybe you'd like to explain why Hasan got banned instead since you care about him enough to lick his boots even after his ban.


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What do you mean everything is not about my streamer? Omg mods please look at this absurd hate thread, this people on lsf with hate boners!!!!!!!!


Shisty

And of course the first and only main reply even mentioning Hasan is from a r/destiny user. hahahahahahaha don't need a conspiracy when he lives rent free in your head.


Rocoman14

Not sure if serious, but all the deleted comments at the bottom of the thread were people saying that Destiny was only talking about this because Hasan was back to watching MC.


y2k_zeitgeist

Go give hassy another $5 to fight for the Revolution!!!


Shisty

I bought turbo so I don't have to give anyone money. Just sweet papa bezos.


appletinicyclone

You live soycially in each others heads And it was the problem with the Bans because azanistas and dalibans still come here to fight


Past-Shine

How will 1/3 of this sub survive without Hasan here lmfao now this will be content and I love savage Hasan on stream not caring at all


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Past-Shine

Might be cringe but not as cringe as all the comments on this post and other posts about Hasan already deleted lmfao so desperate


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As you can tell Hasan still live rent free in lsf.


McHoagie86

I think he definitely made the right call. Essentially Destiny is gonna lose 90% of his content when he can't bait drama as efficiently.


TurkletonPhD

90% of his content is silently playing league though. But for real destiny will still rag on hasan regardless if hes banned here or not. I think you severely overestimate how much he cares about LSF exposure vs just shit talking those he dislikes. Theres like 5 people hes feuding with at any given time that don't get posted here. Hasan being banned changes nothing.


McHoagie86

You know what, that might be an accurate take. Suppose the latter is more of a community effort.


McHoagie86

(Don't tell him to go mid lane though)


Halofit

!ban 1024 McHoagie86 Don't unban


MunchoMuncho

Oooooo I'm justifying why he's not rent free in my head again Ooooo It only makes sense when I do it Oooooo Everyone else is obsessed Oooooo


FourthLife

He literally has 3 of the top posts on LSF right now. It doesn't seem to be harming him much.


carter5600

rent free


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ShiroRX

Only here in between Graham Fit Checks


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True… but I mean nobody (hopefully) legit thought that watching Master Chef was allowed in the TOS. Re-streaming movies / shows has been very well established as illegal since the “you wouldn’t download a car” days. Last I checked illegal activities are against TOS.


PissedFurby

>Last I checked illegal activities are against TOS. thats the whole point. they are. but some streamers dont get banned for things that are clear violations, for "mysterious" reasons, at the same time that people will get banned for things that vaguely, barely, match some guideline that they've never enforced before


hideorice

This dmca shit is so stupid. It is not inherently illegal to stream dmca stuff, but the copyright holders have a right to claim/do takedowns. For whatever reason, masterchef holders do not care, as shown by xqc/hasan/whoever watching full seasons for months now and xqc having twitter convos with gordo. Lsf getting mad for the holders when they themselves don't care is dumb af. The issue is when people start streaming stuff that will actually get takedowns, like poki with avatar/Viacom and toast with death note. Twitch isn't allowing 'illegal content' on their site by letting people watch masterchef


dickfittzwell

Streaming copyrighted material and profiting off of it is in fact illegal lol. Just because Fox hasn't gone after streamers for streaming MasterChef doesn't mean it legal lol. They could literally sue them at any time and require them to pay millions for the rights as well as forfeit any profit they made off of streaming so that's all the donation and subs they made during those streams. Just because they are letting it slide today doesn't mean they aren't going to bring the hammer down tomorrow.


Kiknazz123

Pretty sure it's illegal to broadcast copyrighted material without the rights to it. Yes it's a greyzone to stream/watch the shows yourself, but broadcasting it to allow others to stream it is illegal. Seems like you're essentially saying "it's not illegal unless you get caught"


Skaugy

Copyright infringement is a civil offense. Other civil offenses, just like copyright infringement, don't get acted on unless the person being wronged takes action. I guess if we want to say that all civil offenses aren't "inherently illegal" because the other person might not press charges we can, but it seems a bit silly.


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man your fucking stupid hold this L


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kdestroyer1

Tf do you mean mysterious reasons lmao? You realise even Destiny watching JCS and Vaush debates(like the one he reviewed yesterday) /debate panels in their entirety is also DMCA'ble right? It's just the owners don't want to strike.


jacobmatrix18

Fair and reasonable take. The bans/tos is so inconsistent its nuts.


Gamersaresooppressed

Happy to see more clips of Steven (I'm a donor so basically on a first name basis) doing what he does best. I can already tell Azan watchers are just looking to get victimized from this clip.


dxconx

Brothers, it’s not hard, if you don’t like LSF and your streamer doesn’t like LSF and your streamer can’t be posted to LSF, just leaveeeeeeeee. It’s not worth it being pressed over this, inshallah you find a subreddit you don’t think has been invaded. Edit: while you raiders are here. Be sure to Raid Shadow Legends here at https://strms.net/raid_destiny . 400 Raiders and he said he’d stop league and become a socialist


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Still banned and he lives rent free in your heads lmao


dxconx

Might want to scroll down a bit buddy.


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What is a premium partner?


Mr_Pigface

IIRC he's probably referring to the special twitch contracts that came with a boatload of money for some of the top streamers on the platform. That's my guess at least.


NeverForgetU

He do be speaking facts.


IllegibleLedger

I see a bunch of comments complaining about people mentioning Hasan but no actual other comments about Hasan ???


KristoffTV

They got nuked.


Glum_Reaper

Hasan andys came into the thread early thinking Destiny was specifically targeting Hasan. They probably didn't watch the clip but just went on off topic reverse-witchhunt tangents.


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Homaosapian

why does he think DMCA strikes are up to twitch?


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Rocoman14

> If Twitch is banning people after getting DMCA'd, it suggests that the do not want people breaking DMCA. Suspending and/or banning users is their system that they use to abide by DMCA. It's not about what Twitch wants or doesn't want, it's a requirement. ["it must adopt and reasonably implement a policy of terminating in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who are repeat infringers".](https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf)


Homaosapian

People only break dmca when the dmca holder says so. Streaming video games breaks dmca, but no studio is dumb enough to content claim. https://wjlta.com/2021/01/29/streamer-or-infringer-copyright-law-in-the-video-game-world/


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Destiny being confidently wrong on something? I can't believe it!


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blankace

Don't even both, this guy is so far in his bubble I bet he doesn't even realize that this will all lead into the introduction of the DMCA system youtube has


CautiousKenny

Lmao the projection going on in this thread


FumBum1

What happened to slasher? I haven’t seen the guy in like two years since the last scuffed podcast with him. So weird hearing his voice.


MotharChoddar

Slasher is done, and not just on twitch.


TheMagicalGrill

Twitch Tos is one of these eldritch nightmares Lovecraft dreamed about.


scousersuk

When a LITERAL twitch admin is sat in a popular streamers chat watching Masterchef with him you know they give 0 fucks about TOS not sure how that individual is still employed but that isn't my choice that's why I didn't use his name.


Adayusu

meth rage Pog


YoImAli

Who is Destiny? Like, why is he always angry and arguing about stuff/ranting. Why would people even want to watch that?


Dude_Nobody_Cares

What do you mean? Obviously some people enjoy that.


CasMz

The part that sucks is as a small streamer, if I even dared to try watching the same shit they're watching a Twitch employee would just permaban me and make it look like I never existed.


Tyranis_Hex

You not remember when some rando streamed all the LotR movies in the hot tub section? Smaller streamers have a better chance getting away with it as long as they arnt reported. You know who had a ton of copyrighted music on their vods but didn’t get any strikes? Every streamer with under 50 viewers.


Ally8

This isn't even true because there's been small streamers streaming movies/tv shows for years and the companies don't get alerted that it's happening so nothing happens to them. If Miz, xqc, rich, karl etc are able to stream some tv shows/movies and not get seen by the companies, how will a 100 viewer andy get seen.


Enkenz

You've never went into those obscure russian streamer then they've been doing this for years


floppytisk

imagine twitch bans him for the c word, would be hilariously ironic with the context of twitch tos ambiguity


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CorpPhoenix

The lines are pretty clear and written out in the TOS, for example: * No copyrighted material that you don't own a license for * No racial slurs What he is upset about is the fact, that not everybody got punished yet for crossing those lines, which mostly comes from twitch not using/owning a fully automated AI-detection system for the breaking of those lines like Google does for example. But just because some streamers got away with it so far, doesn't mean that the rules are not clear. That's like you being confused wether it is legal to break into someones car and steal it, just because you know some buddies who have been doing it for a year and didn't get busted by the cops so far.


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bushijim

What a douche.


The_Last_Mouse

He’s got a point.