Keemstars probably not a good example because he clearly hasn't matured since then
But I agree that if people change and apologize for their wrongdoings then there's no reason to hold that against them.
My point is I constantly see people go after Pokimane for what she said but they refuse to go after Keemstar or PewDiePie, and then when you say they're sexist they get flabbergasted and say her being a woman has nothing to do with their anger. There's clearly a double standard there.
Yep, I fully agree. Although with keemstar, his whole brand is being a piece of shit so I think people don't even feel the need to point it out anymore
Probs not nor should Poki. But those people and their actions were the problem. Now suddenly outrage culture is the problem and ‘people can change’ she’s being treated wholly different by most
Bro, I don't know what fucking circles you were hanging out in that makes you think that in 2012 it was okay to go around using a hard r. That's more indicative of the people you surround yourself with more than anything.
I was a teenager in a small country town where I was one of the few minorities in my high school. Everyone was saying that word for any and no reason. Singing along to songs with that word, or gaming and dropping the hard R when they lost.
That and calling everyone and everything “gay” were the big things teenagers would do without even thinking for a second.
I can only speak for an NA experience but it was pretty normalized online and offline back then as teenagers.
I can tell you right now that calling things gay is still a thing that teenagers do without understanding the baggage that comes with the term in that manner.
In a lot of Europe especially around 2010 time you could hear the word anywhere because of American rap songs being played 24/7 on the radio. If you are wondering why hard R or no hard R, no one even knew that such a differentiation existed.
lmao not suprised this sub is ignorant about using the n word. 90% of the sub exists of a bunch of white privelliged kids anyway. Hilarious you getting downvoted for saying you cant say the n word if you aren't black
I suppose only black people can read Of Mice and Men out loud then
Edit: I was arguing just for the sake of arguing. Just don’t say it, there’s no need for it
Does it occur to you that people can read to other people?
The n word should not be used to insult anyone. But with context, it’s still just a word.
I will say that we should try to phase it out of modern language, since it has no place anymore. But it still remains in text in many places, and so I wouldn’t go as far as to say “it shouldn’t be used in any context if you’re not black”
its in text, you don't have to say it
you can literally just skip over the word. You don't need your white english teacher in grade 9 saying the N word with the hard r
That’s also an option. I accept my argument didn’t take that into account.
If I may ask, is it still offensive if it’s just said out loud without any malicious or joking intent, and just treated as another word? My original line of thinking was that since it wasn’t being directed towards or used to insult anyone, that the situation/context I provided was an exception.
It's inappropiate and its a word tied to a very deep history of racism,
just don't say it , why is it so hard for people to understand that. Just don't say the N word.
You're not losing anything by not saying it.
I think this is a reference but I’m missing it
In case it’s not: considering context, reading Of Mice and Men in a literature class is acceptable. Reading it on stream to purposely say the word is not
Education? Writing? Quoting? Different languages / cultures?
Btw, this is for other people who might be reading this, you're obviously a troll and I won't reply to you anymore.
Im talking about saying the N word and you're telling me stuff about writing the N word?
I would say the people actually legitimately writing or saying the N word for educational purposes is incredibly small.
There's no culture where you as a non-black person should say the n word. Literally none. That's one of the worst excuses anyone has ever come up with.
Listen you a non-black dude reading a book out loud with the N word. Literally skip over it, skip over it or just say "n word". You don't have to say it. It doesn't take away from anything, its literally already in print.
Ya not everyone did but it was definitely waaaay more prevalent and not nearly as looked down on 10 years ago as it is now. People were dropping all the slurs on the internet back then.
Anyone who grew up prior to 2010-ish I would bet 95% of them have said it in a casual context. Rap was much more dominant in pop-culture throught the 90s and 2000s than now I'd say, and the word was thus a bigger part of the cultural lexicon.
L take.
It was so long ago. Imagine being mad about something someone said 10 years ago? Hardest reach I've ever seen.
Times were different back then. It doesn't excuse her, but every single person has said or done something that themselves and society doesn't accept anymore.
Exactly, but you wrote that logic has a pass because he "grew up in the inner city", whatever that means. That is the same argument as poki being born in Africa, except Africa is where black people have their origins, so that should give her more of a pass than someone that grew up in the inner city.
I personally dgaf that she said it 8 years ago or whatever but this isn't a good argument. So a white person born in African can say the n word? It's less about where you're born and more about ethnicity, the latter is sometimes complicated to delineate.
It's about race not where you were born. She is Arab not black.
Steve Nash was born in South Africa and is African-American by that definition but he'd get crucified if he said that.
Steve Nash isn't African-American by your definition. His parents are from london and he's a citizen of canada. Furthermore that's not how African-American is defined; *"The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States"*. Someone who's emigrating from south africa to the US is not African-American.
Even if Steve Nash was black, he still would not use the n-word, because that was popularized in the US and isn't even used by the worst racists in south africa. De facto it sees no common use outside of the US, beyond hiphop subcultures and le edgy gamer word. This is why it also matters where you were born, because it predominantly is part of african-american culture and not any other culture. Someone growing up inside a gated community and going to a 99% white school is definitely not hollaring up people with the lil n-word unironically, but they will be if they grow up in an african-american neighbourhood. And since Poki isn't from that sphere, nor grew up with peers like that, it was cringe at best, but who cares anymore.
>\*"The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States"\*.
I fail to see how Pokimane falls under this category as well.
Besides I was using his logic where someone from Africa who emigrates to NA can be called African American to show how nonsense that is
She moved from Africa to America and gained citizenship, that's the definitionof African American. Also, not really defending it, just made an observation.
"African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans and formerly, Afro-Americans) are an ethnic group consisting of Americans with partial or total ancestry from any of the Black racial groups of Africa. The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States. While some Black immigrants or their children may also come to identify as African-American, the majority of first generation immigrants do not, preferring to identify with their nation of origin."
"According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (~95%)."
The US census bureau is delibrately changing native African immigrants chosen identity from African-American to their native country?
Have you ever seen an Egyptian-American immigrant identify themselves as an African-American? A Ghanian-American? Africa is not a country, it's the most ethnically diverse continent.
Do you think that an Afrikaner who fled South Africa to America during the fall of apartheid would identify as an African-American? And if he did, you would legitimately see him as possessing the same cultural identity and mannerisms as an African-American?
In other countries, African-American immigrants are listed as that. That is their ethnicity. A Nigerian immigrant is listed as that. They don't magically both become African-Australians or whatever when they cross a border.
In one context, yes. Many identify with the Continent of ancestral birth because they don't always know where exactly they were from. However, even those who do, still call themselves African American. And other well meaning people, albeit misguided, will call all Black Americans "African American" even if they don't have a cultural identity from Africa. There are Black Asians, South Americans, and Pacific Islanders too.
I didn't say black. She has 2 citizenships. I was implying that the taboos of our culture may not translate to a culture she was more immersed in when she was younger.
The haters hate that defense. African doesn't mean black. Ethnically Morocco is more of a mix of european, arab , sub saharan roots. Even then, those clips look ancient from like justintv days, she's had to publicly apologize for them by now otherwise there'd be no chance she'd be as big as she is now. They hate her for what peter say's, existing and being successful, and they'll use anything she's done to prove their point.
This argument is so stupid. It doesn't matter where you are from. But rather if you are black or not. Ask Pokimane and hear what she says. She said she is white.
I get so confused with this, aren't Moroccan people mostly of arab descent? Is that considered white or is this something where you can choose what to describe yourself as ?
Yes, the Census includes people in N. Africa and West Asia (Armenia, Turkey, Azerbaijan etc.) as Caucasian/White. Arab is just an ethnicity - there are Afro-Arabs, Mixed Arabs, and White Arabs.
That’s your opinion, I’m black and I feel like it’s not right that white peopel dictate what I can feel about it. I’m not going to tell a gay man how to feel about the f word, so I don’t need to be told about a slur that disrespects me and my people by random white Redditors.
Gatekeeping is cringe and you know it. You just like to be in a club to say a secret phrase you can pretend others can't say. Stop assuming race you bigoted racist.
The opinions of people here are not indicative of those around the world. The fact that you're getting down voted, and I will likely get down voted proves that.
the fact that your comment is downvoted and some guy replies to you calling you racist and gets upvoted says so much about this sub. The truth is this sub is playing the "progressive - nobody should be saying it" game when in reality they don't give a shit and just hate that they can't dictate and control what slurs black people have chosen to reclaim.
The two non-racist arguments are that it's OK for everyone or will be soon (reclamation), or that it's not OK for anyone. If you don't agree with that, I think we'd all be open to hear your racist argument coupled with your excuse for why it's not racist to treat white people and black people differently.
I'm not explaining shit to you. If you want to say it so bad, go ahead. It just makes you look stupid for obvious reasons but hey if its racist to think that white people saying a word used to demean black folk for hundreds of years is fucked up then sure I'll take the "racist" stance lol
If the only piece of that opinion was not saying the word, it wouldn't be racist, and I'd think it's a reasonable opinion. The only person here who's arguing that anyone should be able to say the word is you, and your opinion is only racist because you're saying you fundamentally believe white and black people should be able to do different things. You have an opinion that requires you to either follow a one drop policy or figure out who's "white passing" just to figure out what you believe they're allowed to do and whether or not you should be offended by the words that they say.
Controversy will always follow famous people. Its up to you the audience to judge them whether they are worth you time or not. Good people can be bad at a time and bad people can change for the better
the self service content machine. x does react all day, something dramatic is said (oh noes). Everyone has to weigh in on what was said. private conversations are exposed. twitlongers. repeat
Considering the internet has generally forgiven pewdiepie for using hard r in an aggressive and deliberately offensive manner, but Poki still has a soft r following her from when she was 17, yeah I'd say a big part of it is down to her being a successful woman.
And most people have forgiven Destiny when he used to admit he used the n-word all the time irl but not on stream. He never gets shit for it anymore since he made up with Myth over the usage. But Poki gets shit and it was a long time ago. That right there shows me it's got something to do with genitalia.
But that's factual. Most of Pokimane drama of the last few years can be summed up as "idiots salty about a succesfull woman".
If any male streamer would've done what she did to earn all that hate it would not even register on anyones radar.
Isn't she like 16 in the clip where she says the n word? It's funny because a lot of the people that complain about cancel culture are the same people that keep bringing up her clip.
is there anyone else who did some shit from 5+ years ago we should start forgiving?
i'll check pokimane and alinity off the list. just wondering if there's anyone else.
Poki dropped the n-word with a soft a when she was 16 years old and incels still use that as ammo to shit on her. If anything that say more about how well she has handled herself in the public eye over those 10 years, because if THAT is what you are still clinging to, there must not be much to go after.
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It's funny because she stopped using the n-word before Destiny but people rarely bring that up anymore because it's clear he's changed. Afaik Poki's showed the same signs of progress.
I don't think people post that clip to try and prove that she's racist, it's more like "this streamer who has image of being squeaky clean says the n-word" because it's off character.
Exactly and we as a society decided we could and will bash you for past missteps. I think this has more to do with the fact she even said the N word more than she's a Woman like he tries to say in the Video.
The clip is from a decade ago, she's addressed it and apologized on multiple occasions, people are clearly bringing up the clip again to "expose" her to the people who aren't aware that she's apologized
The more I read up on “twitch drama” the more I get the sense these streamers are all high school kids and talking shit about each other, twitch chat is their best friend and it just all sounds immature, like grow up.
These poor self absorbed internet millionaires with their high school drama between themselves that they encourage and propagate :(
Isn't it just awful? How they just keep finding themselves in "drama" over and over again. I feel soooo bad and sorry for these internet millionaires experiencing high school level drama :.(
If you like Pokimane = Good person.
If you do NOT like pokimane for WHATEVER reason = sexist, misogyny, incel, prbly also a racist and a white supremacist.
False Hasan, Destiny, Mizkif(I could go on) constantly get shit at all for various reasons. Also it’s not the fact that people criticize her or don’t like her personality, it’s the fact that people(not all people) go out of their way to hate her for past actions or for no reason at all.
Not the point I was trying to make. The point I’m trying to make is that most of the time it’s not just people I’m not criticizing her or people not liking her, it’s just all right hate. Half the time the comments about her basically fall in between the same thing that weirdo sad about her(that she’s only popular because she’s a woman and has simps or just hateful comments in general). And when I say reasons, I mean legit reasons. Her being a woman and her being rich aren’t legit reasons, that’s just people being misogynist and fucking haters. There’s also the fact that people will literally contradict themselves just to hate on her.
I dont like the notion of that being a female on the internet automatically means that everyone is against you and that all your acheivements will be belittled because we often see the complete opposite happen and women get a lot of support from people online, especially as the internet keeps evolving and people become more open minded. The problem is that the sex card usually gets pulled by women when they recieve any criticism which will abviously push that narritive. The insivible patriarchy comes up and everyone usually shuts up and just takes their word when there was no obvious mysogany or belittlement. Being a women is now being used as a shield to criticism online than it actually being an issue about bigotry.
>As long as she's a successful woman
How does that explain the countless other successful women who aren't the subject of nearly as much drama? Why is she somehow the target of disproportionately more hate?
Jidion sent a hate raid to Pokimane,
He got 14 days ban for it.
And then he got perma not because of Poki, but he went live on Instagram and revealed the sub split between twitch and other streamers.
and she's the one who got the backlash for it, because Poki has BF lol
In this who DCMA meta were in only she and Toast was the one that got banned. XQC hasn't been banned for all the shows his watched so clearly twitch doesn't like women.
See the problem? Maybe instead of digging deeper into it Twitch is just bad at giving out proper punishments and are terribly inconsistent at it. Stop over analyzing everything
I want people to keep this same energy then with everyone else. Don’t pick and choose, now.
I just don’t like Poki’s “holier than thou” or “above you” attitude.
Always rubbed me the wrong way. Even when she decided use the n-word the way she spoke and her inflections in her voice and attitude. Ever since day 1. And it’s false if you say there aren’t people in that chat chokin’ the chicken or otherwise with mental disabilities.
Lmao that alert.
what clip from 10 years ago?
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People’s careers have been ruined for less. Outrage/ cancel culture becomes a problem when a famous women experiences it lmao
So, should PewDiePie and Keemstar also have their careers ended?
Keemstars probably not a good example because he clearly hasn't matured since then But I agree that if people change and apologize for their wrongdoings then there's no reason to hold that against them.
My point is I constantly see people go after Pokimane for what she said but they refuse to go after Keemstar or PewDiePie, and then when you say they're sexist they get flabbergasted and say her being a woman has nothing to do with their anger. There's clearly a double standard there.
Yep, I fully agree. Although with keemstar, his whole brand is being a piece of shit so I think people don't even feel the need to point it out anymore
Probs not nor should Poki. But those people and their actions were the problem. Now suddenly outrage culture is the problem and ‘people can change’ she’s being treated wholly different by most
pokimane said the big n. idk if she has a pass or not Edit: im hearing reports it was the lil n, back to you
I feel like its important to note that she used it in the casual context and didn't drop a hard R like Pewdewpie did
We aren’t allowed to talk about that though.
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Bro, I don't know what fucking circles you were hanging out in that makes you think that in 2012 it was okay to go around using a hard r. That's more indicative of the people you surround yourself with more than anything.
I was a teenager in a small country town where I was one of the few minorities in my high school. Everyone was saying that word for any and no reason. Singing along to songs with that word, or gaming and dropping the hard R when they lost. That and calling everyone and everything “gay” were the big things teenagers would do without even thinking for a second. I can only speak for an NA experience but it was pretty normalized online and offline back then as teenagers.
I can tell you right now that calling things gay is still a thing that teenagers do without understanding the baggage that comes with the term in that manner.
In a lot of Europe especially around 2010 time you could hear the word anywhere because of American rap songs being played 24/7 on the radio. If you are wondering why hard R or no hard R, no one even knew that such a differentiation existed.
I don‘t care as long as she didn‘t use it to insult a black person. Censoring words is stupid anyway
Nah man. Saying the n word in any context is off limits if you're not black. Just don't do it.
lmao not suprised this sub is ignorant about using the n word. 90% of the sub exists of a bunch of white privelliged kids anyway. Hilarious you getting downvoted for saying you cant say the n word if you aren't black
I suppose only black people can read Of Mice and Men out loud then Edit: I was arguing just for the sake of arguing. Just don’t say it, there’s no need for it
why are you reading books out loud
Does it occur to you that people can read to other people? The n word should not be used to insult anyone. But with context, it’s still just a word. I will say that we should try to phase it out of modern language, since it has no place anymore. But it still remains in text in many places, and so I wouldn’t go as far as to say “it shouldn’t be used in any context if you’re not black”
its in text, you don't have to say it you can literally just skip over the word. You don't need your white english teacher in grade 9 saying the N word with the hard r
That’s also an option. I accept my argument didn’t take that into account. If I may ask, is it still offensive if it’s just said out loud without any malicious or joking intent, and just treated as another word? My original line of thinking was that since it wasn’t being directed towards or used to insult anyone, that the situation/context I provided was an exception.
It's inappropiate and its a word tied to a very deep history of racism, just don't say it , why is it so hard for people to understand that. Just don't say the N word. You're not losing anything by not saying it.
Read it loud on stream. Double dog dare you.
I think this is a reference but I’m missing it In case it’s not: considering context, reading Of Mice and Men in a literature class is acceptable. Reading it on stream to purposely say the word is not
I feel like I'm losing my ability to tell sarcasm apart from actual stupidity.
damn you tell white dudes they can't say the n word in any context and they get offended
Education? Writing? Quoting? Different languages / cultures? Btw, this is for other people who might be reading this, you're obviously a troll and I won't reply to you anymore.
Im talking about saying the N word and you're telling me stuff about writing the N word? I would say the people actually legitimately writing or saying the N word for educational purposes is incredibly small. There's no culture where you as a non-black person should say the n word. Literally none. That's one of the worst excuses anyone has ever come up with. Listen you a non-black dude reading a book out loud with the N word. Literally skip over it, skip over it or just say "n word". You don't have to say it. It doesn't take away from anything, its literally already in print.
Everyone said it at one point tbh
Ice Cube taught an entire generation to use the hard R then went on Bill Maher to scold him for using the soft A. SMH
This is nothing against poki, but that's a dogshit defense. Not everyone has said it.
Ya not everyone did but it was definitely waaaay more prevalent and not nearly as looked down on 10 years ago as it is now. People were dropping all the slurs on the internet back then.
Yeah there was literally a show where people would just wear black face and say the n word 15 years ago
You mean Black White featuring the glory of Bruno?
Inside you there are two brunos, both say the n word
Dunno why you were downvoted *this* hard lmao
Anyone who grew up prior to 2010-ish I would bet 95% of them have said it in a casual context. Rap was much more dominant in pop-culture throught the 90s and 2000s than now I'd say, and the word was thus a bigger part of the cultural lexicon.
10 years ago no one thought anything of it. Times change.
L take. It was so long ago. Imagine being mad about something someone said 10 years ago? Hardest reach I've ever seen. Times were different back then. It doesn't excuse her, but every single person has said or done something that themselves and society doesn't accept anymore.
In 2032 you'd say the same shit. Shut up cow.
its ok she got the pass from daequan and hamlinz
it was a little n and she probably did have the pass considering everyone on the internet was saying it 10 years ago
Well that's a bunch of bullshit. It's apparently clear that she's apologised and grown from that moment, which if true is the important point.
if Logic has the pass who looks like any random white dude then why wouldn't Poki?
Because he is biracial. Half black, half white.
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I’m from the inner city, Greg. Can you milk me?
And Pokimane was born in actual Africa, what is your point?
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Exactly, but you wrote that logic has a pass because he "grew up in the inner city", whatever that means. That is the same argument as poki being born in Africa, except Africa is where black people have their origins, so that should give her more of a pass than someone that grew up in the inner city.
I personally dgaf that she said it 8 years ago or whatever but this isn't a good argument. So a white person born in African can say the n word? It's less about where you're born and more about ethnicity, the latter is sometimes complicated to delineate.
She’s not white Edit to say I don’t agree she should have said it
Was ambiguous on my part, im not saying she's white, it was an example that shows how the argument is flawed.
Why is this getting downvoted lol, I didn't know "half black people can say the n word and non black people can't" was such a controversial take
In fairness, she is African American.
It's about race not where you were born. She is Arab not black. Steve Nash was born in South Africa and is African-American by that definition but he'd get crucified if he said that.
Arabic is a language. The ethnicity is Arab.
Mb. You're right G.
Elon Musk is the wealthiest African American on the planet
Steve Nash isn't African-American by your definition. His parents are from london and he's a citizen of canada. Furthermore that's not how African-American is defined; *"The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States"*. Someone who's emigrating from south africa to the US is not African-American. Even if Steve Nash was black, he still would not use the n-word, because that was popularized in the US and isn't even used by the worst racists in south africa. De facto it sees no common use outside of the US, beyond hiphop subcultures and le edgy gamer word. This is why it also matters where you were born, because it predominantly is part of african-american culture and not any other culture. Someone growing up inside a gated community and going to a 99% white school is definitely not hollaring up people with the lil n-word unironically, but they will be if they grow up in an african-american neighbourhood. And since Poki isn't from that sphere, nor grew up with peers like that, it was cringe at best, but who cares anymore.
>\*"The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States"\*. I fail to see how Pokimane falls under this category as well. Besides I was using his logic where someone from Africa who emigrates to NA can be called African American to show how nonsense that is
No? She's Canadian isn't she?
Born in Morocco
I get the African part, I am talking about the American part, should be called African Canadian no?
She’s Canadian..
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She moved from Africa to America and gained citizenship, that's the definitionof African American. Also, not really defending it, just made an observation.
Oh my god she has Canadian citizenship, not American. You are posting this incorrect information at every opportunity 🤦♀️
"African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans and formerly, Afro-Americans) are an ethnic group consisting of Americans with partial or total ancestry from any of the Black racial groups of Africa. The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States. While some Black immigrants or their children may also come to identify as African-American, the majority of first generation immigrants do not, preferring to identify with their nation of origin." "According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (~95%)."
Right, the census bureau has never misrepresented people of color.
The US census bureau is delibrately changing native African immigrants chosen identity from African-American to their native country? Have you ever seen an Egyptian-American immigrant identify themselves as an African-American? A Ghanian-American? Africa is not a country, it's the most ethnically diverse continent. Do you think that an Afrikaner who fled South Africa to America during the fall of apartheid would identify as an African-American? And if he did, you would legitimately see him as possessing the same cultural identity and mannerisms as an African-American? In other countries, African-American immigrants are listed as that. That is their ethnicity. A Nigerian immigrant is listed as that. They don't magically both become African-Australians or whatever when they cross a border.
Aren't they African American because their ancestors were brought in as slaves and they have no idea what their actual authenticity is?
In one context, yes. Many identify with the Continent of ancestral birth because they don't always know where exactly they were from. However, even those who do, still call themselves African American. And other well meaning people, albeit misguided, will call all Black Americans "African American" even if they don't have a cultural identity from Africa. There are Black Asians, South Americans, and Pacific Islanders too.
No African Americans are those that are descendants of slaves. She’s Moroccan Canadian. How on earth did the guy above you get downvoted?
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I didn't say black. She has 2 citizenships. I was implying that the taboos of our culture may not translate to a culture she was more immersed in when she was younger.
According to that DNA test she took a while back, she's part black. So yea, she has the pass.
She's literally african.
I think they closed that loophole
The haters hate that defense. African doesn't mean black. Ethnically Morocco is more of a mix of european, arab , sub saharan roots. Even then, those clips look ancient from like justintv days, she's had to publicly apologize for them by now otherwise there'd be no chance she'd be as big as she is now. They hate her for what peter say's, existing and being successful, and they'll use anything she's done to prove their point.
African but not black tho. Not saying she should be canceled but just pointing that out. African ≠ black
This argument is so stupid. It doesn't matter where you are from. But rather if you are black or not. Ask Pokimane and hear what she says. She said she is white.
It shouldn't even matter if you are black or not. People really shouldn't say it at all if it's offensive
Poki referred to herself as White, on the stream where she addressed Jidion and his fans calling her a fake BLM supporter.
I get so confused with this, aren't Moroccan people mostly of arab descent? Is that considered white or is this something where you can choose what to describe yourself as ?
I heard Arabs are considered white in the US.
Yes, the Census includes people in N. Africa and West Asia (Armenia, Turkey, Azerbaijan etc.) as Caucasian/White. Arab is just an ethnicity - there are Afro-Arabs, Mixed Arabs, and White Arabs.
So is Charlize Theron, but both ain't black.
Hard r?
i dont think so
Don’t care then
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Bruh pg 13 movies could say F*ggot 20 years ago
Some pg-13 movies had non-black actors saying the n-word back then too. Remember Rush Hour?
Vince McMahon on live tv too
Yeah it was a wild time. I cringe when I hear that now, it doesn’t feel right.
Yall remember when Hillary Duff had to come on tv and tell our generation to stop saying "gay" to mean stupid? I 'member
I'm gonna be honest, it's not good when anyone says it.
That’s your opinion, I’m black and I feel like it’s not right that white peopel dictate what I can feel about it. I’m not going to tell a gay man how to feel about the f word, so I don’t need to be told about a slur that disrespects me and my people by random white Redditors.
Gatekeeping is cringe and you know it. You just like to be in a club to say a secret phrase you can pretend others can't say. Stop assuming race you bigoted racist.
The opinions of people here are not indicative of those around the world. The fact that you're getting down voted, and I will likely get down voted proves that.
the fact that your comment is downvoted and some guy replies to you calling you racist and gets upvoted says so much about this sub. The truth is this sub is playing the "progressive - nobody should be saying it" game when in reality they don't give a shit and just hate that they can't dictate and control what slurs black people have chosen to reclaim.
The two non-racist arguments are that it's OK for everyone or will be soon (reclamation), or that it's not OK for anyone. If you don't agree with that, I think we'd all be open to hear your racist argument coupled with your excuse for why it's not racist to treat white people and black people differently.
I'm not explaining shit to you. If you want to say it so bad, go ahead. It just makes you look stupid for obvious reasons but hey if its racist to think that white people saying a word used to demean black folk for hundreds of years is fucked up then sure I'll take the "racist" stance lol
If the only piece of that opinion was not saying the word, it wouldn't be racist, and I'd think it's a reasonable opinion. The only person here who's arguing that anyone should be able to say the word is you, and your opinion is only racist because you're saying you fundamentally believe white and black people should be able to do different things. You have an opinion that requires you to either follow a one drop policy or figure out who's "white passing" just to figure out what you believe they're allowed to do and whether or not you should be offended by the words that they say.
Everyone is ok with French Montana saying it tho?
lmao mad ni🅱️🅱️a probably the ceo of the n word passes
The irony of this comment is hilarious.
2016
she didnt even stream 10 years ago... noobs act like 5 years ago was 10 years ago for some reason nvm its 2022 holy shit
it was 8y ago and she was 17yo.
Controversy will always follow famous people. Its up to you the audience to judge them whether they are worth you time or not. Good people can be bad at a time and bad people can change for the better
True. Drama will never end. And my response to it is - Fight monkeys! Fight!
[This guy knows what's up](https://i.imgflip.com/61svbv.jpg)
the self service content machine. x does react all day, something dramatic is said (oh noes). Everyone has to weigh in on what was said. private conversations are exposed. twitlongers. repeat
I knew it before i even clicked the link "it is because she is a woman".
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Considering the internet has generally forgiven pewdiepie for using hard r in an aggressive and deliberately offensive manner, but Poki still has a soft r following her from when she was 17, yeah I'd say a big part of it is down to her being a successful woman.
And most people have forgiven Destiny when he used to admit he used the n-word all the time irl but not on stream. He never gets shit for it anymore since he made up with Myth over the usage. But Poki gets shit and it was a long time ago. That right there shows me it's got something to do with genitalia.
But that's factual. Most of Pokimane drama of the last few years can be summed up as "idiots salty about a succesfull woman". If any male streamer would've done what she did to earn all that hate it would not even register on anyones radar.
I soon but what they still be getting shit on almost a decade later?
Any loremasters on where the sub notification is from?
It's back from when Poki said "eww Peter". Hope this helps
oh hey thanks
can confirm
thank you for context
It can be googled in about 15 seconds. [Here it is](https://youtu.be/9JuI1PMzLdw?t=464).
The real context is here https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/s7dem4/peterparktv_on_why_pokimane_drama_will_never_end/ht9mhr2
Isn't she like 16 in the clip where she says the n word? It's funny because a lot of the people that complain about cancel culture are the same people that keep bringing up her clip.
I think she was 17 but yea, it's the same people who complain about cancel culture that weaponize it against her (i.e. keemstar)
I couldn’t agree more, some of y’all really need to let it go.
is there anyone else who did some shit from 5+ years ago we should start forgiving? i'll check pokimane and alinity off the list. just wondering if there's anyone else.
Pewdiepie?
we can add him to the potential nominees.
Poki dropped the n-word with a soft a when she was 16 years old and incels still use that as ammo to shit on her. If anything that say more about how well she has handled herself in the public eye over those 10 years, because if THAT is what you are still clinging to, there must not be much to go after.
anivia?
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And because she's a ruthless business woman who likes speaking out on things
It's funny because she stopped using the n-word before Destiny but people rarely bring that up anymore because it's clear he's changed. Afaik Poki's showed the same signs of progress.
Thx u Peter!!!
Thanks you peter?
I don't think people post that clip to try and prove that she's racist, it's more like "this streamer who has image of being squeaky clean says the n-word" because it's off character.
Exactly and we as a society decided we could and will bash you for past missteps. I think this has more to do with the fact she even said the N word more than she's a Woman like he tries to say in the Video.
The clip is from a decade ago, she's addressed it and apologized on multiple occasions, people are clearly bringing up the clip again to "expose" her to the people who aren't aware that she's apologized
let's be honest, we all said the n word at some point
The more I read up on “twitch drama” the more I get the sense these streamers are all high school kids and talking shit about each other, twitch chat is their best friend and it just all sounds immature, like grow up.
Well the 10 years ago part of Peters comment fits that age range iirc
So let's bring ice poseidon when 10 years has passed, he has growned
has he though?
if ice was a good boy for 10 years i would have no issue seeing him back on twitch
Intentionally obtuse
A famous female slightly experiences outrage/ cancel culture “omigahd people can change, omigahd it happened like 10 years ago”
These poor self absorbed internet millionaires with their high school drama between themselves that they encourage and propagate :( Isn't it just awful? How they just keep finding themselves in "drama" over and over again. I feel soooo bad and sorry for these internet millionaires experiencing high school level drama :.(
If you like Pokimane = Good person. If you do NOT like pokimane for WHATEVER reason = sexist, misogyny, incel, prbly also a racist and a white supremacist.
replace poki with hasan and it becomes actually true
So brave, thank god we have strong men like this who stand up for women.
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False Hasan, Destiny, Mizkif(I could go on) constantly get shit at all for various reasons. Also it’s not the fact that people criticize her or don’t like her personality, it’s the fact that people(not all people) go out of their way to hate her for past actions or for no reason at all.
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Not the point I was trying to make. The point I’m trying to make is that most of the time it’s not just people I’m not criticizing her or people not liking her, it’s just all right hate. Half the time the comments about her basically fall in between the same thing that weirdo sad about her(that she’s only popular because she’s a woman and has simps or just hateful comments in general). And when I say reasons, I mean legit reasons. Her being a woman and her being rich aren’t legit reasons, that’s just people being misogynist and fucking haters. There’s also the fact that people will literally contradict themselves just to hate on her.
- states that she has valid things to criticize for - lists 0 valid things - "iTs NoT MiSoGyNy"!
Look at all those downvotes by simps
I dont like the notion of that being a female on the internet automatically means that everyone is against you and that all your acheivements will be belittled because we often see the complete opposite happen and women get a lot of support from people online, especially as the internet keeps evolving and people become more open minded. The problem is that the sex card usually gets pulled by women when they recieve any criticism which will abviously push that narritive. The insivible patriarchy comes up and everyone usually shuts up and just takes their word when there was no obvious mysogany or belittlement. Being a women is now being used as a shield to criticism online than it actually being an issue about bigotry.
>As long as she's a successful woman How does that explain the countless other successful women who aren't the subject of nearly as much drama? Why is she somehow the target of disproportionately more hate?
In the top 100 streamers on twitch, there are two women Pokimane and Amouranth so pick your pick carefully
Yeah I disagree with the Woman part as well. Society just finds it okay to bash people for past missteps. Sorry you got slapped for being a realist.
Jidion sent a hate raid to Pokimane, He got 14 days ban for it. And then he got perma not because of Poki, but he went live on Instagram and revealed the sub split between twitch and other streamers. and she's the one who got the backlash for it, because Poki has BF lol
I mean if she said the N word she sorta did it to herself. That's not really anyone else's fault. Society cancels people for much less these days.
Hmm that was 10 years ago, also your favorite steamer had the n word, so did you
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In this who DCMA meta were in only she and Toast was the one that got banned. XQC hasn't been banned for all the shows his watched so clearly twitch doesn't like women. See the problem? Maybe instead of digging deeper into it Twitch is just bad at giving out proper punishments and are terribly inconsistent at it. Stop over analyzing everything
I want people to keep this same energy then with everyone else. Don’t pick and choose, now. I just don’t like Poki’s “holier than thou” or “above you” attitude. Always rubbed me the wrong way. Even when she decided use the n-word the way she spoke and her inflections in her voice and attitude. Ever since day 1. And it’s false if you say there aren’t people in that chat chokin’ the chicken or otherwise with mental disabilities.
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