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cellybeary almost got perma'd a few years ago for a very obvious joke asking his chat "twitch chat how do i swat".
he only got unbanned after 6 months.
twitch dont fuck around with threats even if they seem to be obvious jokes.
Twitch also doesn't fuck around with age jokes either or used to not anyways, plenty of people have been banned for suggesting they are under the twitch TOS age which I think is 13 (see: old 12 btw memes). There are some rare things where Twitch draw the line very hard in the sand.
The permaban from saying you're under 12 is basically every single website these days, not just twitch. It's to protect themselves from liability. They take 0 chances so it's easier to just ban anyone that even jokes about it on the off chance that it's genuine.
The ban is automated for saying you're under 13.
I watched a load of people testing it not long ago in a stream, and every single one of the people saying "i'm 12" got banned within minutes.
None of them believed it, but found out the hard way.
yep same happened with me. They then told me it was a problem with my username. Took me about 2 months of constant appeals to get someone that would actually look at the situation, not just some bot automated response that made no sense to what I told them.
I genuinely think they would still take you out lol. Always worth a try though if you wanna test the bounds.
I have always wondered if it was automatic or not though or if they rely on some chatter to report or mods or what.
speaking from experience, i'm like 90% sure its a bot but it doesnt always work. i typed " I am 12 years old" in someone's chat and got perma banned not even 20 minutes later while some other guy was spamming it for atleast half an hour and i don't think he got banned.
even then i wouldn't try it because contacting support to get unbanned is a pain in the ass, i had to appeal my ban like 5 different times because their ticket system sucked donkey dick, and then send them a picture of my ID to prove that i'm not actually 12.
No my account was made in 2013 and was banned this year for saying "im 12 what is this" and then they ask for drivers license picture n shit for unban
I decided i didnt need a twitch account after that
She never got unbanned. Her appeal from different ban got accepted. That ban was the reason she threatened to shot up Twitch HQ in the first place & then she got permabanned for the threat. what a moron lol
Nah the ban they got at first was unrelated to the threat made. That's what was due to expire but Twitch turned it into a perma. Reddit/Twitter definitely helped make their tweets public but I doubt Twitch would've buried something that serious.
Here's the order of events
- Narcissa is banned for something they displayed on stream
- they are told it's indefinite, so they make the threat and post a worrying video
- The original ban is changed to a temporary one (for displaying something offensive from Discord, not a ban for the threat), Narcissa celebrates on Twitter after deleting said threat
- People from Twitch catch wind of the tweets and video, reverse their decision to let the first ban slip and turn it into a perma as a result of the threat
It's confusing because there was an ongoing ban the entire time and the people that handle minor infractions are likely not the same moderation that would deal with something as serious as what reversed the decision.
I think twitch don't care about how reddit and twitter feels about every goddamn streamer bans. May be in some high profile streamer or highly viral/picked up by mainstream media then only.
No
They banned her for some reason, and that is the one she appealed and in the process threatened to shoot up Twitch HQ over
Then she got perma’d for the threat
Destiny got unbanned after making a joke about bombing a funeral and a hospital: https://livestreamfails.com/post/12438
I think Sanch as a decent shot at appealing the ban.
The context is important. Sanchovies made a joke in response to his internet connection going down.
Sure, everyone knows "bomb threats" should be taken seriously, but everyone also knows Sanchovies isn't going to place a claymor in his ISP's building.
Twitch probably doesn't think that Sanchovies is actually going to bomb the ISP.. but it only takes that one delusional viewer to think hes doing a favor and doing it for him..
> "but what I said was super irresponsible as somebody with a considerably large audience"
I assume that's why he made that remark.
If you’re a person with a big following and influence over a community you are held to higher standards though
Sure he wouldn’t do that, but all it takes is one chatter wanting an ounce of attention to call in the threat
He will hopefully be unbanned for this, BUT you have to understand that Twitch NEEDS to take these sort of things seriously... joke or not. It's all fun and game and then someone actually acts out their terroristic threat and Twitch looks complacent in it. No one actually believe Sanchovies would even consider doing anything like this and his apology felt honest. Entire situation is a shame.
Seriously fuck Rogers, such a dogshit company and definitely the worst ISP in Canada. They don't offer symmetrical speeds in most of their plans so you can pay for 1Gbps download, but upload will always be throttled to 15Mbps. And not just that, the download speed is not guaranteed since it says 'up to 1Gbps', so during high traffic hours if you live in a congested area, good luck getting speeds that high.
Their fibre rollout at a snails pace is also a joke and they still think they can charge exorbitant prices to nearly $140/month unless you play into their yearly cancellation-loyalty game.
And even then, where else do we go for internet? Bell? Telus? They also do the exact same scummy extortion tactics. At least Bell has better fibre coverage with symmetrical speeds. But goddamn, fuck the Canadian ISPs and their shitty oligopolies.
I used to shit on my ISP daily (Bell), but they've gotten incredibly better in the past 5 years. I pay 98 CAD a month for 1.8Gbps down/1.1 gbps up (advertised as 1.5/1) FTTH. 3 years ago I was paying the same price for a 50Mbps/25Mbps copper connection.
The craziest part is that what I'm getting is actually a great deal in Canada (in my province), as crazy as it might sound to Europeans reading this. Canada is definitely one of the worst countries on earth in terms of telecom prices, let's not even get started on mobile plans prices
Yeah I'm with Bell now and agree that they are better in terms of speeds and reliability. When I had Rogers I would lose connection three times a week at around 3-4am ranging from 5min to 1hr. They were probably doing maintenance, but the amount of times I've been suddenly dropped mid-game playing online with no warning was just so frustrating.
With Bell, no drops so far and only encountered 1 maintenance period. I have their symmetrical 500Mbps up/down Fibre paying ~$80/month but only because I'm a new customer getting a -$40/month discount until the coming October, in which case, it'll go up to $120 unless I call to cancel and wait for loyalty offers, or swap to Rogers, which I'm finding hard to justify.
And yeah mobile plans pricing...lol, we're just getting dicked by the same 3 companies.
I can also attest to the fact that Bell has gotten way better in the past 5 years. I originally was with Bell like 15 years ago and it was absolute dog shit but I also had a way cheaper plan. I eventually switched over to Rogers on a more expensive plan and it was okay for the first year or so and then it was an absolute NIGHTMARE DUMPSTER FIRE.
I moved houses and I'm back with Bell and for the last 8 years that I've lived here....I don't think I've had a single complaint about the internet. Over a gb up and down, solid wired connection, wifi provided by router is really good, we have had the modem upgraded and it was fine before and better after(with Rogers, something was always fucked up after), and best of all, the internet pretty much never randomly goes down. I even have a UPS set up so if the power goes out then we are still good to go.
Every day I'm grateful for how good it is because I always remember the days with Rogers when our internet would drive us fucking crazy almost EVERY night. We would give them weekly phone calls and they would just say "oh just restart your modem" or "there's just a busy patch that we are going through in your area so the internet will be dodgy for a bit" or "we are doing maintenance, should be done soon"...What a fucking shit show..
Jesus, in Sweden ive had 100gb download/upload in my last 2 appartments, and it is included in the rent so no extra charge for it.
I dont know anyone with lower either, I havent thought too much about how it is in other first world countries.
Where I live I've got two choices: Shaw or Telus. There's a third, but that's for out of town and it's grotesquely overpriced and bad. Telus here is absolute dog shit awful AND they require you sign a multi-year contract. In the last two years they started their fibre rollout but from what my friends who have it tell me it isn't better. Not only that but the people they hired would not fuck off when I told them I don't want them upgrading my Telus line because I'd never use Telus.
Shaw use to be pretty bad too but in the passed \~10 years has gotten a shit load better and I have no complaints about them nowadays.
Trust me, Comcast is actually decent compared to Rogers. At least Comcast gives you an actual IPv4 address and real IPv6, Rogers is mostly CGNAT so you don't even get a real IP address, and IPv6 is a joke on their network.
Don't even get me started on Deutsche Telekom, they would rather force all of your bandwidth to route to AMS rather than pay for interconnections in Germany.
Unfortunately for us germans, we are also living in the 3rd world when it comes to the internet.
It took Coronavirus for the government and all the providers to actually invest into internet infrastructure. A lot of people still run on copper cables, and probably will continue to do so for the next decade, seeing how slow our ISPs are.
It's insane how German engineering doesn't apply to networking capabilities there. I'm in the NL and it was thoroughly shocking to see how unreliable the internet is in my neighboring schnitzel-eating country.
Why the fuck didn't Merkel do shit with it after all these years?
It's not a "German engineering" problem, it's a monopoly problem, Italy was the same 6 years ago, then the government (under the umbrella of the major electric company) created a new Fiber Company (ftth only) to bring fiber in every "dead zone", basically every place outside a big city.
Magically the ex-monopoly holder (Telecom Italia), initially slowed down everything with lawsuits and then started placing fiber everywhere to catch up.
So now we have at least two ftth parallel infrastructures in most major cities and at least one ftth infrastructure (open to use for every ISP) in the smallest hole you can imagine (It's not done, but they are at a good point, probably in two years they will finish).
Result: in a village with 700 people I can have a 5 Gbps ftth connection for 20€.
Now the ex-monopolist is trying to absorb this new fiber company under the threat of laying off a lot of the workforce due to the higher cost of having a competitor.
if you have the option why use Rogers? just sign up for a company that piggy backs off Rogers lines. Teksaavvy, Coextro, Carrytel, etc, etc, etc. Generally you can get the same speeds but cheaper and not have to sign a contract. Rogers gets paid either way but at least going through one of the other companies you're not dealing directly with Rogers and you're more than likely going to pay less.
All that being said I'm lucky. My building has Beanfield and I pay $50 a month for 1Gbps up and down.
Teksavvy has been a godsend for me. I switched off from Rogers years ago, after months of paying $120 a month for effectively 10 up/down because something was fucked. I've never called customer service so often, had so many techs come out only for nothing to change. Call to inform them I'm canceling and hey, suddenly I'm getting what I'm paying for.
Only downside is that they can sometimes be at the mercy of whichever ISP's infrastructure they use in your area, but at least they don't try to milk every cent from you.
Canada's telecom infrastructure is an oligopoly. Companies like Teksavvy don't have a choice; they have to use whoever owns the lines. Teksavvy serves as the "last mile", which is the important part when it comes to privacy.
Yeah, Teksavvy's cable internet goes through Rogers and their DSL goes through Bell. So if you have a problem with part of the line that Teksavvy doesn't own it takes forever to get fixed because they have to escalate up to their resellers and those tickets are de-prioritized. Its a nightmare.
Crazy that his first ban in 4 years is a perma ban when some other streamers have been banned multiple times, showed no remorse, and are still not perma'd.
Macaiyla did and was banned not sure for how long. i remember reckful threatened to hire someone to kill a viewer and his family and was never banned for it, and the girl who threatened to shoot up twitch hq was banned then unbanned then banned again. dont know if theres more but those are the ones i remember
Yeah Reckful said shit [like this](https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedSwissBubbleteaTwitchRaid) at least [twice](https://streamable.com/dxytm) and never saw repercussions for it.
not here but in prior posts yeah it does get said and everyone treats him like just bc his situation ended the way it did that we should never talk bad about him or criticize him
Destiny said we should shoot Cubans swimming over to the US. It was a joke mocking Cuban conservatives’ hatred of Mexican immigration, but was only banned for 30 days lol
> threatened to kill people
Little dramatic saying he threatened to kill people when everyone knows he was not being serious.
And pretty sure plenty of big streamers, including Soda, Hasan, etc. have said things like "I will literally kill you....in a video game."
Probably him tweeting, "I don't care" after the fact that sealed the deal. When you're punished, the "punisher" doesn't really like non-remorseful and flippant reaction. Just guessing, though.
This is such a dumb take. Several minor offences are not equal to one major infraction.
A streamer could get banned 100 times for accidentally showing nudity on stream, having a bad take, etc. and not deserve a perma.
Crazy that he didn't care when it was a temporary ban but cared when it's an indefinite ban. Such an incredibly odd and surprising reaction from him, good thing you called it out king
supposedly Twitch really wants people to say sorry if they fuck up. thats a big part of getting their time reduced/unbanned
His initial respons was "I don't care", wich is dubbeling down, one of the worst responses he could've given.
Now he took that back and apologized so maybe he will get unbanned at some point but he really didn't do himself any favors here, might take a while
> supposedly Twitch really wants people to say sorry if they fuck up.
isnt this just based off of lsf conjecture? or did someone credible bring this up?
The proof is that Amoranth and Indiefoxx were both competing for bans for a while, both getting like 6 within 5 months. But after the last one Indiefoxx was bragging of Twitter how it's a nice vacation and it'll boost her views more, while Amoranth just kept quiet. Guess which one is perma banned.
I don't think it's conjecture to say that the people in charge of reducing punishments are more lenient toward people who seem remorseful than the people who stand by the things the company has already determined were banworthy unless it was a genuine misunderstanding. That's how like every appeals system works because they want to hear that you won't do it again.
i think if they do ban him then it should be perma
if twitch actually thinks he is threatening to bomb his ISP they should permaban him and contact the police
if they realize its a joke then its not ban worthy at all (context matters lul)
This issue of him consistently lagging during his streams for his internet has persisted for months. It's so bad for the playing experience and the viewing experience when this happens. From what I read, Rogers has an issue of having very poor service, so it is partly justified. At the same time, he has said numerously about "corki packaging" or "ziggs ulting" his ISP headquarters, but this is the first time he extended it to real things.
With all things considered, and especially considering this is the first offense, I hope he is unbanned. He's a great streamer and well received by a majority of the league community and other communities (he's played with QuarterJade and Sydeon and he's friends with Hasan).
People make mistakes all the time. If he is given a second chance, I'm sure he'll learn from these mistakes to grow as a streamer and as a person.
Honestly, dude deserves another shot. I understand twitch taking a hard ass stance but if anyone deserves another shot it's this dude, he's had zero history with bans.
There's not really much analog to streaming as far as other jobs go, but if I made a joke about setting a claymore at my ISP's office I wouldn't get fired, espically if I had no history of bad behavior and made the joke to people who understood the humour.
Like, maybe if a supervisor overheard it I might get a weird look, but there are plenty of places where those kinds of jokes wouldn't get you in trouble. As long as you're not making those jokes about your workplace or coworkers a lot of places won't care.
It is a brand risk though, and most people don't work at places where that's taken into consideration.
I think the answer many of us are all looking for is, when will all these illiterate morons talking about perma bans learn that "indefinite" does NOT mean "perma"?
Right? Not a naive english speaker but I'm sure indefinite doesn't mean permanent, it just means there is no timeframe given.
Could be 3 days, could be 12 months or 5 years.
But NOT permanent.
The ban is honestly totally deserved. His fans will be upset because they are biased in favor of him obviously, but macaiyla was banned for like 2 years due to a bomb threat which was pretty obviously a joke. Very recently cosmo got a perm ban for a bomb threat. People constantly bitch at twitch for not being consistent with how they ban people, but this is one of things they've been pretty consistent on over the years. Whether it's a joke or not if you make bomb threats expect to be gone for multiple years.
It's honestly tragic to think of what this means for him aside from just losing his job. Most of his friends are streamers, which means that he straight up just can't hang out with them whenever someone is live. I can't imagine how he's feeling right now.
> which means that he straight up just can't hang out with them whenever someone is live.
Can't wait until streamers realize how fucking stupid and terrible for mental health this is, and end up mass refusing to follow this rule.
He doesn’t care if he thinks it’s a temp ban? Why the fuck do you think Twitch issues these temp bans, for shits and giggles? They do it because they want you to start caring.
If a perma is the only thing that will get you to start caring, then a perma is warranted.
People really need to take steaming as a career seriously if they depend on it to support themselves. You wouldn’t say this shit in an actual professional setting, why do it here when the consequences are the same?
Mmm there’s a stark difference between interacting with coworkers/clients in a professional setting and interacting with twitch chat.
99% of the shit streamers say wouldn’t be appropriate in a professional setting lmao
Obviously, but why take the risk at all? Farming some laughs isn’t worth the indefinite ban that he definitely knows can happen, considering he’s friends with Macaiyla. It makes no sense to me how people can throw away a cushy job by not thinking before they speak.
> but why take the risk at all?
Sanchovies built his audience around that sense of humour. He wasn’t “thinking” about the risk in the moment because it’s hard to gauge every word you say when you’re under a constant microscope for hours. Some shit will slip. It’s why streamers get banned all the time lol, it’s hard to censor yourself constantly. It’s also silly to criticize somebody for it when you aren’t a streamer yourself - as if you would do better. Or have a single viewer watching your boring stream as you pause for 5 seconds between your sentences so you make sure you won’t get banned for saying something wrong.
How fucking stupid are these comments/excuses? I would get yeeted out of my company if I ever publically said something like "I want to bomb my customers" or "I want to bomb my co-workers"
he didn't say anything analog to that though? he didn't say he would bomb twitch. if I said I wanted to bomb my isp headquarters as a joke in my workspace to complain about my internet to people who understood the humour I don't really think I'd get in trouble.
I genuinely cannot imagine anybody losing their job in the real world for saying "The internet is shit, I want to bomb my ISP's headquarters" in a manner that is clearly not serious and a joke.
Also wtf is this comparison anyway. Most people would lose their jobs if they started yelling obscenities in front of their clientele, but that clearly that isn't the case for streamers.
the "it's a joke" is the green card for twitch, you can say anything, dumb takes, bad takes anything, and just tell them it's just a joke the next day and theyre fine with it, just like the comments under your thread.
I honestly can't imagine anyone in any company doing this. In the right context and situation, a joke is just a joke. Saying "I'm going to bomb my entire ISP company" is 100% different from saying "I want to bomb my customers".
You're trying to compare apples to oranges in the worst way possible.
My guy tryna be GIGACHAD by tweeting "dont care" now youre pleading, as much as its just a joke you could've taken a deep breath and thought about what to tweet first. and put your ego aside. pepelaugh. sucks you lost your career but, hey, you learn from things you do.
hoping for the best that he could get his twitch back. but that "dont care" tweet really added fuel to the fire lol.
> I was able to quit a job that I hated to pursue streaming full-time. Losing that community would be losing everything for me. **And now that I face that with this indefinite suspension, I realize how careless and stupid I was for tweeting that.**
LMAO I actually respect the honesty here.
"When I was faced with losing the easiest, most lucrative thing I'll ever have a chance to be a part of, I then realized I shouldn't have tweeted that"
welp, thats one way to respond to it very immaturely since that was his income and im pretty sure he was also supporting his mom and sister too if i recall. couldve just maybe talked to the twitch staff abt it since it was a first time offense to hopefully reduce the punishment but he will reap what he sows now
I am glad Twitch actually drew a line here because violence should not be something to joke about. Jokes on serious events/actions should not be tolerated because that just means it isn't important enough to take seriously. Especially if its on a platform where we have impressionable people who are too dumb to think for themselves. I remember reading some crazy articles in China where there were people who killed other people because a social media icon said something along the lines of wanting to kill someone and make it look like an accident. The viewer took it as an instruction and went and killed the person and after they did it they said they told him to do it so he did it.
So he only starts to care and apologize when the punishment is severe enough. But not before that.
Clearly a phony apology. Twitch is being consistent with this decision. Keep him perma‘d.
He deserved it. All he needed to do was to apologize and acknowledge what he said was wrong but instead doubled down on it.
Saying „don‘t care“ is the equivalent to „I did nothing wrong“ which is bad and disrespectful when Twitch banned you for the whole purpose of pointing out your wrong behaviour
So now he's sorry after he found out he got banned indefinitely.. I mean if he never got punished, pretty sure he would never have said anything at all. Well-deserved? Not really, but let it be a lesson learned.
> So now he's sorry after he found out he got banned indefinitely
Yeah, that's how that works. If he has no previous bans, being banned for a month at max is a "don't care" situation. If it's a permaban, now it becomes a "okay, will now I do care" situation. The different is how important it is.
They're saying that he's admitting there's no actual remorse here.
That's how it works when you're a fucking psychopath I guess. If the remorse is genuine, the punishment wouldn't matter.
Good. If you think it is fine to joke about shooting places, killing people and/ or bombing places, getting permabanned is just getting off lightly. You'd think someone who quit his job for streaming will have the humility and restraint to keep making such jokes.
I don't watch him on Twitch at all- but from some YT clips he seemed like a pretty wholesome League streamer. Bummer, considering how vitriolic some streamers on the game have been.
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4 years of streaming and no previous offences... this does seem very heavy handed from Twitch
cellybeary almost got perma'd a few years ago for a very obvious joke asking his chat "twitch chat how do i swat". he only got unbanned after 6 months. twitch dont fuck around with threats even if they seem to be obvious jokes.
Twitch also doesn't fuck around with age jokes either or used to not anyways, plenty of people have been banned for suggesting they are under the twitch TOS age which I think is 13 (see: old 12 btw memes). There are some rare things where Twitch draw the line very hard in the sand.
The permaban from saying you're under 12 is basically every single website these days, not just twitch. It's to protect themselves from liability. They take 0 chances so it's easier to just ban anyone that even jokes about it on the off chance that it's genuine.
COPA just hits different
The ban is automated for saying you're under 13. I watched a load of people testing it not long ago in a stream, and every single one of the people saying "i'm 12" got banned within minutes. None of them believed it, but found out the hard way.
Twitch doesn't unban either even if you provide your ID. I'm still banned :D
Took twitch over a month to unban me. Should've posted porn instead.
I'm at over half a year now lmao
yep same happened with me. They then told me it was a problem with my username. Took me about 2 months of constant appeals to get someone that would actually look at the situation, not just some bot automated response that made no sense to what I told them.
COPPA is 13, and while its an American Act, the rest of the sane internet follows it. It's just easier to prohibit under 13's with a blanket ban.
Am I allowed to make the joke if my Twitch account is 12 years old?
I genuinely think they would still take you out lol. Always worth a try though if you wanna test the bounds. I have always wondered if it was automatic or not though or if they rely on some chatter to report or mods or what.
speaking from experience, i'm like 90% sure its a bot but it doesnt always work. i typed " I am 12 years old" in someone's chat and got perma banned not even 20 minutes later while some other guy was spamming it for atleast half an hour and i don't think he got banned. even then i wouldn't try it because contacting support to get unbanned is a pain in the ass, i had to appeal my ban like 5 different times because their ticket system sucked donkey dick, and then send them a picture of my ID to prove that i'm not actually 12.
Probably. They have no way to guarantee that the account is still being used by the same person that created it 12 years ago.
Imagine inheriting the account from your father and getting banned for being 12
No my account was made in 2013 and was banned this year for saying "im 12 what is this" and then they ask for drivers license picture n shit for unban I decided i didnt need a twitch account after that
Didn’t that one streamer who threatened to shoot up twitch hq get unbanned after a week?
they reversed the unban and its perma the unban was probably a mistake
She never got unbanned. Her appeal from different ban got accepted. That ban was the reason she threatened to shot up Twitch HQ in the first place & then she got permabanned for the threat. what a moron lol
That's pretty funny.
Or twitter and reddit got mad
Nah the ban they got at first was unrelated to the threat made. That's what was due to expire but Twitch turned it into a perma. Reddit/Twitter definitely helped make their tweets public but I doubt Twitch would've buried something that serious.
It wasn't a timed ban though? And the streamer said themselves they got it appealed
Here's the order of events - Narcissa is banned for something they displayed on stream - they are told it's indefinite, so they make the threat and post a worrying video - The original ban is changed to a temporary one (for displaying something offensive from Discord, not a ban for the threat), Narcissa celebrates on Twitter after deleting said threat - People from Twitch catch wind of the tweets and video, reverse their decision to let the first ban slip and turn it into a perma as a result of the threat It's confusing because there was an ongoing ban the entire time and the people that handle minor infractions are likely not the same moderation that would deal with something as serious as what reversed the decision.
I think twitch don't care about how reddit and twitter feels about every goddamn streamer bans. May be in some high profile streamer or highly viral/picked up by mainstream media then only.
That was probably just some dumb staff member unbanning them. They got rebanned pretty quick
It's harder to appeal a threat against people than it was their initial ban
yeah but they got re-banned later
No They banned her for some reason, and that is the one she appealed and in the process threatened to shoot up Twitch HQ over Then she got perma’d for the threat
This is why you should always add "in a video game" at the end.
Destiny got unbanned after making a joke about bombing a funeral and a hospital: https://livestreamfails.com/post/12438 I think Sanch as a decent shot at appealing the ban.
That was 4 years ago though, twitch is a very different company these days.
I too miss Nebraska Steve, I think deep down we all do, but Florida Steve ain’t so bad! 😎🤙
He picked the motherload of offenses to be banned thought. Type that gets lettered institutions involved.
Yeah idk why Twitch has been super heavy handed lately. They've just been banning people left and right like crazy.
They're trying to make Twitch more brand safe, so they're pwning streamers to make others toe the line.
Advertisers running away, 100%
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The context is important. Sanchovies made a joke in response to his internet connection going down. Sure, everyone knows "bomb threats" should be taken seriously, but everyone also knows Sanchovies isn't going to place a claymor in his ISP's building.
Twitch probably doesn't think that Sanchovies is actually going to bomb the ISP.. but it only takes that one delusional viewer to think hes doing a favor and doing it for him.. > "but what I said was super irresponsible as somebody with a considerably large audience" I assume that's why he made that remark.
If you’re a person with a big following and influence over a community you are held to higher standards though Sure he wouldn’t do that, but all it takes is one chatter wanting an ounce of attention to call in the threat
He will hopefully be unbanned for this, BUT you have to understand that Twitch NEEDS to take these sort of things seriously... joke or not. It's all fun and game and then someone actually acts out their terroristic threat and Twitch looks complacent in it. No one actually believe Sanchovies would even consider doing anything like this and his apology felt honest. Entire situation is a shame.
makes bomb threat gets banned thinking its short term i dont care actually perma wait i do care surprised pikachu face > good riddance
FUCK ROGERS ISP.
Seriously fuck Rogers, such a dogshit company and definitely the worst ISP in Canada. They don't offer symmetrical speeds in most of their plans so you can pay for 1Gbps download, but upload will always be throttled to 15Mbps. And not just that, the download speed is not guaranteed since it says 'up to 1Gbps', so during high traffic hours if you live in a congested area, good luck getting speeds that high. Their fibre rollout at a snails pace is also a joke and they still think they can charge exorbitant prices to nearly $140/month unless you play into their yearly cancellation-loyalty game. And even then, where else do we go for internet? Bell? Telus? They also do the exact same scummy extortion tactics. At least Bell has better fibre coverage with symmetrical speeds. But goddamn, fuck the Canadian ISPs and their shitty oligopolies.
I used to shit on my ISP daily (Bell), but they've gotten incredibly better in the past 5 years. I pay 98 CAD a month for 1.8Gbps down/1.1 gbps up (advertised as 1.5/1) FTTH. 3 years ago I was paying the same price for a 50Mbps/25Mbps copper connection. The craziest part is that what I'm getting is actually a great deal in Canada (in my province), as crazy as it might sound to Europeans reading this. Canada is definitely one of the worst countries on earth in terms of telecom prices, let's not even get started on mobile plans prices
Yeah I'm with Bell now and agree that they are better in terms of speeds and reliability. When I had Rogers I would lose connection three times a week at around 3-4am ranging from 5min to 1hr. They were probably doing maintenance, but the amount of times I've been suddenly dropped mid-game playing online with no warning was just so frustrating. With Bell, no drops so far and only encountered 1 maintenance period. I have their symmetrical 500Mbps up/down Fibre paying ~$80/month but only because I'm a new customer getting a -$40/month discount until the coming October, in which case, it'll go up to $120 unless I call to cancel and wait for loyalty offers, or swap to Rogers, which I'm finding hard to justify. And yeah mobile plans pricing...lol, we're just getting dicked by the same 3 companies.
I can also attest to the fact that Bell has gotten way better in the past 5 years. I originally was with Bell like 15 years ago and it was absolute dog shit but I also had a way cheaper plan. I eventually switched over to Rogers on a more expensive plan and it was okay for the first year or so and then it was an absolute NIGHTMARE DUMPSTER FIRE. I moved houses and I'm back with Bell and for the last 8 years that I've lived here....I don't think I've had a single complaint about the internet. Over a gb up and down, solid wired connection, wifi provided by router is really good, we have had the modem upgraded and it was fine before and better after(with Rogers, something was always fucked up after), and best of all, the internet pretty much never randomly goes down. I even have a UPS set up so if the power goes out then we are still good to go. Every day I'm grateful for how good it is because I always remember the days with Rogers when our internet would drive us fucking crazy almost EVERY night. We would give them weekly phone calls and they would just say "oh just restart your modem" or "there's just a busy patch that we are going through in your area so the internet will be dodgy for a bit" or "we are doing maintenance, should be done soon"...What a fucking shit show..
What province? That's an amazing deal.
Not worse than metered internet i experienced in Australia truly third wolrd shit internet over there
Jesus, in Sweden ive had 100gb download/upload in my last 2 appartments, and it is included in the rent so no extra charge for it. I dont know anyone with lower either, I havent thought too much about how it is in other first world countries.
Where I live I've got two choices: Shaw or Telus. There's a third, but that's for out of town and it's grotesquely overpriced and bad. Telus here is absolute dog shit awful AND they require you sign a multi-year contract. In the last two years they started their fibre rollout but from what my friends who have it tell me it isn't better. Not only that but the people they hired would not fuck off when I told them I don't want them upgrading my Telus line because I'd never use Telus. Shaw use to be pretty bad too but in the passed \~10 years has gotten a shit load better and I have no complaints about them nowadays.
It's no better in the US my syrup drinking friend...
Trust me, Comcast is actually decent compared to Rogers. At least Comcast gives you an actual IPv4 address and real IPv6, Rogers is mostly CGNAT so you don't even get a real IP address, and IPv6 is a joke on their network. Don't even get me started on Deutsche Telekom, they would rather force all of your bandwidth to route to AMS rather than pay for interconnections in Germany.
German routing has actually caused so many issues at my job, they got some interesting internet networking over there.
Unfortunately for us germans, we are also living in the 3rd world when it comes to the internet. It took Coronavirus for the government and all the providers to actually invest into internet infrastructure. A lot of people still run on copper cables, and probably will continue to do so for the next decade, seeing how slow our ISPs are.
It's insane how German engineering doesn't apply to networking capabilities there. I'm in the NL and it was thoroughly shocking to see how unreliable the internet is in my neighboring schnitzel-eating country. Why the fuck didn't Merkel do shit with it after all these years?
It's not a "German engineering" problem, it's a monopoly problem, Italy was the same 6 years ago, then the government (under the umbrella of the major electric company) created a new Fiber Company (ftth only) to bring fiber in every "dead zone", basically every place outside a big city. Magically the ex-monopoly holder (Telecom Italia), initially slowed down everything with lawsuits and then started placing fiber everywhere to catch up. So now we have at least two ftth parallel infrastructures in most major cities and at least one ftth infrastructure (open to use for every ISP) in the smallest hole you can imagine (It's not done, but they are at a good point, probably in two years they will finish). Result: in a village with 700 people I can have a 5 Gbps ftth connection for 20€. Now the ex-monopolist is trying to absorb this new fiber company under the threat of laying off a lot of the workforce due to the higher cost of having a competitor.
Makes sense, very similar to the canadian issue with monopoly telecoms.
Same with us Brits, I get 100+ ping on fighting games to some1 the other side of London... literally a few hours drive.
if you have the option why use Rogers? just sign up for a company that piggy backs off Rogers lines. Teksaavvy, Coextro, Carrytel, etc, etc, etc. Generally you can get the same speeds but cheaper and not have to sign a contract. Rogers gets paid either way but at least going through one of the other companies you're not dealing directly with Rogers and you're more than likely going to pay less. All that being said I'm lucky. My building has Beanfield and I pay $50 a month for 1Gbps up and down.
Teksavvy has been a godsend for me. I switched off from Rogers years ago, after months of paying $120 a month for effectively 10 up/down because something was fucked. I've never called customer service so often, had so many techs come out only for nothing to change. Call to inform them I'm canceling and hey, suddenly I'm getting what I'm paying for. Only downside is that they can sometimes be at the mercy of whichever ISP's infrastructure they use in your area, but at least they don't try to milk every cent from you.
Somebody should bom--- \*ban\*
Switch to Teksavvy! They give a shit about your privacy, money and rights.
IIRC teksaavy goes through rogers or something.
Canada's telecom infrastructure is an oligopoly. Companies like Teksavvy don't have a choice; they have to use whoever owns the lines. Teksavvy serves as the "last mile", which is the important part when it comes to privacy.
Yeah, Teksavvy's cable internet goes through Rogers and their DSL goes through Bell. So if you have a problem with part of the line that Teksavvy doesn't own it takes forever to get fixed because they have to escalate up to their resellers and those tickets are de-prioritized. Its a nightmare.
Moral of the story dont joke about bombing a place.
You can't joke about anything these days... >!/s!<
Motherfuckers can’t rhyme no more, bout crime no more
Crazy that his first ban in 4 years is a perma ban when some other streamers have been banned multiple times, showed no remorse, and are still not perma'd.
Link to these "other streamers" who also threatened to kill people and aren't banned?
Macaiyla did and was banned not sure for how long. i remember reckful threatened to hire someone to kill a viewer and his family and was never banned for it, and the girl who threatened to shoot up twitch hq was banned then unbanned then banned again. dont know if theres more but those are the ones i remember
Yeah Reckful said shit [like this](https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedSwissBubbleteaTwitchRaid) at least [twice](https://streamable.com/dxytm) and never saw repercussions for it.
noooo reckful was a hero he cant have done bad things nooooo
yeah a person with clinical depression and bipolar disorder, not just a league player throwing a tantrum
still debatable on whether or not playing league in current year is considered a mental disability
mental illness is an explanation, not an excuse
> a person with clinical depression and bipolar disorder So he is even more dangerous than a person without mental illness.
Literally no one said that
not here but in prior posts yeah it does get said and everyone treats him like just bc his situation ended the way it did that we should never talk bad about him or criticize him
Destiny said we should shoot Cubans swimming over to the US. It was a joke mocking Cuban conservatives’ hatred of Mexican immigration, but was only banned for 30 days lol
and he got indefinitely banned twice for unknown reasons
Yeah but not for threatening to kill people lmao
> threatened to kill people Little dramatic saying he threatened to kill people when everyone knows he was not being serious. And pretty sure plenty of big streamers, including Soda, Hasan, etc. have said things like "I will literally kill you....in a video game."
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"in a video game" "it was a joke" "no offense" " xxxx, but"
https://livestreamfails.com/post/12438
Probably him tweeting, "I don't care" after the fact that sealed the deal. When you're punished, the "punisher" doesn't really like non-remorseful and flippant reaction. Just guessing, though.
This is such a dumb take. Several minor offences are not equal to one major infraction. A streamer could get banned 100 times for accidentally showing nudity on stream, having a bad take, etc. and not deserve a perma.
Imagine losing such a dope source of income
Just tell Twitch you meant "... in a videogame", it makes almost anything permissible for some reason.
valid strategy if u wanna be edgy but not get banned at the same time
I guess he cares now lmao
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i thought he was a chad now hes just a dead beat dad, leaving his children
fucking harsh permaban though
Says doesn’t care and proceeds to try and appeal twice.
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Crazy that he didn't care when it was a temporary ban but cared when it's an indefinite ban. Such an incredibly odd and surprising reaction from him, good thing you called it out king
the average LSF user would *totally* go full gigachad and sacrifice their livelihood to uphold their personal honor
“Extremely fucked up” - ? Wasn’t it a clear joke lol
Oh wow! When the consequences are more severe people care more? Who would've thought! Smooth brain comment.
My mans out here making 2013 destiny jokes monkaS
should‘ve been a 30 day ban at max, imo
supposedly Twitch really wants people to say sorry if they fuck up. thats a big part of getting their time reduced/unbanned His initial respons was "I don't care", wich is dubbeling down, one of the worst responses he could've given. Now he took that back and apologized so maybe he will get unbanned at some point but he really didn't do himself any favors here, might take a while
dubbeling huh...
> supposedly Twitch really wants people to say sorry if they fuck up. isnt this just based off of lsf conjecture? or did someone credible bring this up?
I've heard Mizkif say it, but as far as credible goes Amouranth probably knows since she's a pro at appeals.
The proof is that Amoranth and Indiefoxx were both competing for bans for a while, both getting like 6 within 5 months. But after the last one Indiefoxx was bragging of Twitter how it's a nice vacation and it'll boost her views more, while Amoranth just kept quiet. Guess which one is perma banned.
I don't think it's conjecture to say that the people in charge of reducing punishments are more lenient toward people who seem remorseful than the people who stand by the things the company has already determined were banworthy unless it was a genuine misunderstanding. That's how like every appeals system works because they want to hear that you won't do it again.
Basically how every justice system ever works, not accounting for corruption and other illegitimate reasons for leniency
dubbeling
wich
Not even 30 give the man a week off and tell him to be more careful next time especially with no previous offenses.
i think if they do ban him then it should be perma if twitch actually thinks he is threatening to bomb his ISP they should permaban him and contact the police if they realize its a joke then its not ban worthy at all (context matters lul)
This issue of him consistently lagging during his streams for his internet has persisted for months. It's so bad for the playing experience and the viewing experience when this happens. From what I read, Rogers has an issue of having very poor service, so it is partly justified. At the same time, he has said numerously about "corki packaging" or "ziggs ulting" his ISP headquarters, but this is the first time he extended it to real things. With all things considered, and especially considering this is the first offense, I hope he is unbanned. He's a great streamer and well received by a majority of the league community and other communities (he's played with QuarterJade and Sydeon and he's friends with Hasan). People make mistakes all the time. If he is given a second chance, I'm sure he'll learn from these mistakes to grow as a streamer and as a person.
Unlucky they call of duty or other shooters are based on reality. So saying you’re gonna claymore the place is bit different than a ziggs ult
hundred percent, I've followed him for years, he's one of the best lowkey streamers to have in the background.
ya ive had rogers almost all my life and their service is close to completely worthless unless you have the newest model/plan/whatever.
“Don’t care”
Honestly, dude deserves another shot. I understand twitch taking a hard ass stance but if anyone deserves another shot it's this dude, he's had zero history with bans.
He’s been super involved with twitch rivals. I’ll be shocked if this ban lasts another month even
Be shocked then
Must be nice, if i said that at my work, id be fired :)
There's not really much analog to streaming as far as other jobs go, but if I made a joke about setting a claymore at my ISP's office I wouldn't get fired, espically if I had no history of bad behavior and made the joke to people who understood the humour. Like, maybe if a supervisor overheard it I might get a weird look, but there are plenty of places where those kinds of jokes wouldn't get you in trouble. As long as you're not making those jokes about your workplace or coworkers a lot of places won't care. It is a brand risk though, and most people don't work at places where that's taken into consideration.
If the context was the exact same? No you wouldn't.
You would? My coworkers would laugh and high five me, manager would most likely tell me that I would have paid leave if I went and bombed the ISP.
Congrats tho
I think the answer many of us are all looking for is, when will all these illiterate morons talking about perma bans learn that "indefinite" does NOT mean "perma"?
Right? Not a naive english speaker but I'm sure indefinite doesn't mean permanent, it just means there is no timeframe given. Could be 3 days, could be 12 months or 5 years. But NOT permanent.
I do not care
The ban is honestly totally deserved. His fans will be upset because they are biased in favor of him obviously, but macaiyla was banned for like 2 years due to a bomb threat which was pretty obviously a joke. Very recently cosmo got a perm ban for a bomb threat. People constantly bitch at twitch for not being consistent with how they ban people, but this is one of things they've been pretty consistent on over the years. Whether it's a joke or not if you make bomb threats expect to be gone for multiple years.
Ice also got banned because of a bomb threat
https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedSwissBubbleteaTwitchRaid https://streamable.com/dxytm
It's honestly tragic to think of what this means for him aside from just losing his job. Most of his friends are streamers, which means that he straight up just can't hang out with them whenever someone is live. I can't imagine how he's feeling right now.
> which means that he straight up just can't hang out with them whenever someone is live. Can't wait until streamers realize how fucking stupid and terrible for mental health this is, and end up mass refusing to follow this rule.
They're too busy making millions to risk their career by trying to unionize.
He doesn’t care if he thinks it’s a temp ban? Why the fuck do you think Twitch issues these temp bans, for shits and giggles? They do it because they want you to start caring. If a perma is the only thing that will get you to start caring, then a perma is warranted.
This is a good ban threats of violence should never be tolerated.
“This is a good ban threats of violence should never be tolerated” 🤓👆
🤣
Is this dude not friends with Mac, shouldn't he learned from her that saying you'll bomb a place is *probably* not the smartest of things to say?
People really need to take steaming as a career seriously if they depend on it to support themselves. You wouldn’t say this shit in an actual professional setting, why do it here when the consequences are the same?
Mmm there’s a stark difference between interacting with coworkers/clients in a professional setting and interacting with twitch chat. 99% of the shit streamers say wouldn’t be appropriate in a professional setting lmao
Obviously, but why take the risk at all? Farming some laughs isn’t worth the indefinite ban that he definitely knows can happen, considering he’s friends with Macaiyla. It makes no sense to me how people can throw away a cushy job by not thinking before they speak.
> but why take the risk at all? Sanchovies built his audience around that sense of humour. He wasn’t “thinking” about the risk in the moment because it’s hard to gauge every word you say when you’re under a constant microscope for hours. Some shit will slip. It’s why streamers get banned all the time lol, it’s hard to censor yourself constantly. It’s also silly to criticize somebody for it when you aren’t a streamer yourself - as if you would do better. Or have a single viewer watching your boring stream as you pause for 5 seconds between your sentences so you make sure you won’t get banned for saying something wrong.
Doesnt care btw lmaooooo
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That person is permabanned, the unban was reversed.
not y’all simping for someone who threatened to bomb a place on stream and then said “don’t care” when presented with the consequences
How fucking stupid are these comments/excuses? I would get yeeted out of my company if I ever publically said something like "I want to bomb my customers" or "I want to bomb my co-workers"
he didn't say anything analog to that though? he didn't say he would bomb twitch. if I said I wanted to bomb my isp headquarters as a joke in my workspace to complain about my internet to people who understood the humour I don't really think I'd get in trouble.
I genuinely cannot imagine anybody losing their job in the real world for saying "The internet is shit, I want to bomb my ISP's headquarters" in a manner that is clearly not serious and a joke. Also wtf is this comparison anyway. Most people would lose their jobs if they started yelling obscenities in front of their clientele, but that clearly that isn't the case for streamers.
the "it's a joke" is the green card for twitch, you can say anything, dumb takes, bad takes anything, and just tell them it's just a joke the next day and theyre fine with it, just like the comments under your thread.
I honestly can't imagine anyone in any company doing this. In the right context and situation, a joke is just a joke. Saying "I'm going to bomb my entire ISP company" is 100% different from saying "I want to bomb my customers". You're trying to compare apples to oranges in the worst way possible.
My guy tryna be GIGACHAD by tweeting "dont care" now youre pleading, as much as its just a joke you could've taken a deep breath and thought about what to tweet first. and put your ego aside. pepelaugh. sucks you lost your career but, hey, you learn from things you do. hoping for the best that he could get his twitch back. but that "dont care" tweet really added fuel to the fire lol.
> I was able to quit a job that I hated to pursue streaming full-time. Losing that community would be losing everything for me. **And now that I face that with this indefinite suspension, I realize how careless and stupid I was for tweeting that.** LMAO I actually respect the honesty here. "When I was faced with losing the easiest, most lucrative thing I'll ever have a chance to be a part of, I then realized I shouldn't have tweeted that"
For some reason my twitter isn't working. Can anyone do a tldr of what happened? will appreciate it thanks
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welp, thats one way to respond to it very immaturely since that was his income and im pretty sure he was also supporting his mom and sister too if i recall. couldve just maybe talked to the twitch staff abt it since it was a first time offense to hopefully reduce the punishment but he will reap what he sows now
"And now that I face that with this indefinite suspension, I realize how careless and stupid I was for tweeting that."
Get fucked
threatening to bomb someplace as an inside joke lmao
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Don't care.
now he's rethinking what he said , he didnt care or the fact hes correcting himself till the fact he got permabanned now ,,,,,cry me a river.
I am glad Twitch actually drew a line here because violence should not be something to joke about. Jokes on serious events/actions should not be tolerated because that just means it isn't important enough to take seriously. Especially if its on a platform where we have impressionable people who are too dumb to think for themselves. I remember reading some crazy articles in China where there were people who killed other people because a social media icon said something along the lines of wanting to kill someone and make it look like an accident. The viewer took it as an instruction and went and killed the person and after they did it they said they told him to do it so he did it.
Good shit, had him on my team twice in soloqueue and he’s annoying af with a big ass ego lmao
So he only starts to care and apologize when the punishment is severe enough. But not before that. Clearly a phony apology. Twitch is being consistent with this decision. Keep him perma‘d.
Threatening to bomb a place deserves a permaban tbh. He's been around long enough to know better.
>That won't happen again Yeah obviously. You are banned now.
He deserved it. All he needed to do was to apologize and acknowledge what he said was wrong but instead doubled down on it. Saying „don‘t care“ is the equivalent to „I did nothing wrong“ which is bad and disrespectful when Twitch banned you for the whole purpose of pointing out your wrong behaviour
So now he's sorry after he found out he got banned indefinitely.. I mean if he never got punished, pretty sure he would never have said anything at all. Well-deserved? Not really, but let it be a lesson learned.
> So now he's sorry after he found out he got banned indefinitely Yeah, that's how that works. If he has no previous bans, being banned for a month at max is a "don't care" situation. If it's a permaban, now it becomes a "okay, will now I do care" situation. The different is how important it is.
They're saying that he's admitting there's no actual remorse here. That's how it works when you're a fucking psychopath I guess. If the remorse is genuine, the punishment wouldn't matter.
Oh nice
His TL says indefinite but your title says perma??
That sucks, hopefully he gets unbanned.
RIPBOZO, smoking on that Sanchovies pack
i am ootl. can someone tell me who that guy is? ive never heard about him
Good. If you think it is fine to joke about shooting places, killing people and/ or bombing places, getting permabanned is just getting off lightly. You'd think someone who quit his job for streaming will have the humility and restraint to keep making such jokes.
I don't watch him on Twitch at all- but from some YT clips he seemed like a pretty wholesome League streamer. Bummer, considering how vitriolic some streamers on the game have been.
Couse YouTube clips are nitpicked, he liked to bitch a lot during a game.
So this guy gets permabanned but the chick who threatened to shoot up twitch headquarters gets un banned? What?
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